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“Syrian Wall” and “Carousel”: Polish media about a new style of battle for Russian tanks

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The Russian army is undergoing a deepening transformation, undergoing a multifaceted and phased process of modernization. These changes are reflected, inter alia, in the tactics of warfare, since the Russian army has a Syrian bridgehead for practicing new techniques.

The Polish edition of Defense24 drew attention to the development of a number of tactics used by the military from the Russian Federation.

Thus, it is noted that the value of artillery used for delivering precision strikes has significantly increased. The effect of its use has significantly increased due to the appearance of new products, the modernization of old models and the widespread introduction of an integrated automated command and fire control system.

Along with this, the tactics of supporting ground units with fire from tank guns. As a result, MBT, capable of firing at a distance of up to 12 km, began to be used as mobile artillery. Thus, the OF-128 projectile, created as part of the Telnik ROC, strikes an area of ​​41 square meters. m.

Having gained experience in fighting in the Chechen campaign, Russian tankers have added to their arsenal of "carousel" techniques. It implies the constant change of MBT in the firing position: while one vehicle is firing, the other is preparing for it. The high density of fire created in this way is able to mislead the enemy about the true number of barrels in the opposing forces. At the same time, the ZSU-24-2 or Tunguska anti-aircraft systems are used to cover the tanks participating in the "carousel" in the city, firing at ground targets.

Another tactical novelty, according to Defense24, is the “Syrian rampart”, combining massive fire and active maneuvering. Tanks or other combat vehicles move one after another at distances from 20 to 100 meters, firing at a particular sector. It is important to ensure that vehicles are covered from the flanks from anti-tank weapons. This technique allows you to effectively crack wedges of the enemy’s defense in several places and go deep into enemy positions.

A technique was developed in which the tank fires from two positions - the main and the spare. On each of them MBT does not linger longer than 3-5 seconds. The main goal is to provoke the enemy to open fire, which allows you to detect enemy firing points and find out the strength of the enemy.

According to the Polish publication, the listed tactical innovations are evidence that "the Russian army is striving for a dynamic manner of warfare."

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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 16 June 2020 05: 15 New
    42
    “Syrian Wall” and “Carousel”: Polish media about a new style of battle for Russian tanks

    Worried? For this, the Russian armed forces exist to constantly “amaze” the especially zealous. In the Polish case, only one thing needs to be feared: the appearance of the “Polish rampart” or some kind of “Warsaw carousel”. And for this it is necessary to bark quietly towards Russia and not to raise the tail with or without.
    1. Serg koma
      Serg koma 16 June 2020 06: 00 New
      22
      Quote: ROSS 42
      That’s why the Russian armed forces exist to constantly “amaze” the especially zealous.

      In the fight against the Russians, it is necessary to get used to new forms of military operations. They must be ruthless, quick and flexible. You should never be complacent. Everyone should be prepared for any surprises, since anything can happen. It is not enough to conduct the battle in accordance with well-tested tactical provisions, because no one can say in advance with certainty what the Russian response will be. It is impossible to predict how the Russians will react on the environment, a sudden blow, military trick, etc. In many cases, Russians rely on their innate instinct more than on existing tactical principles, and it should be recognized that instinct often brings them more benefit than training in many academies could give. At first glance, their actions may seem incomprehensible, but they often fully justify themselves.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 16 June 2020 06: 11 New
      14
      It is strange that this bothered them) always the dynamics of the battle was one of the main criteria. Traffic. Maneuver. Dynamics
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 16 June 2020 06: 24 New
        13
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Traffic. Maneuver. Dynamics

        Simply put, we have not forgotten Suvorov science:
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 16 June 2020 07: 47 New
          23
          It seems that some soldiers and some commanders occasionally forget.
          Similar shafts and carousels, i.e. sheltering tanks behind local objects and changing firing positions were widely used during the Second World War.
          But ... unfortunately, an army that does not fight is gradually turning into a bureaucratic machine.
          I had to serve in UR. There were companies of tank firing points, ISs behind earthen shelters. This is where they would be used according to the principle of the "Syrian shaft".
          But no. The motors were removed, because the tanks are old, it’s necessary to follow them more, the tanks were simply put in the trenches. It's easier .... The external order is better, one drawback is that there is no motor ....
          1. businessv
            businessv 16 June 2020 20: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Alekseev
            There were companies of tank firing points, ISs behind earthen shelters.
            Yes, and not only earthy, but concrete as well. There are a lot of such fortified areas in all dangerous directions, but they, like the tanks used in them, have already served their purpose, in view of the change in both the nature of the battle and the ammunition used in it.
            1. Blackgrifon
              Blackgrifon 17 June 2020 15: 53 New
              0
              Quote: businessv
              There are a lot of such fortified areas in all dangerous areas

              Did they stay?
              1. businessv
                businessv 18 June 2020 00: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: Blackgrifon
                Did they stay?

                Yes, they stayed, but not in our country, but I can’t say about their performance and maintenance, unfortunately.
                1. Blackgrifon
                  Blackgrifon 18 June 2020 00: 08 New
                  +1
                  Quote: businessv
                  Yes, stayed

                  Clear. I thought of them in the CIS and in China, too, no more. Thank.
        2. your1970
          your1970 17 June 2020 11: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Traffic. Maneuver. Dynamics

          Simply put, we have not forgotten Suvorov science:

          We are just FORGOT.....
          Suvorov said "It's hard to learn, it's easy to camping trip !!!!".
          Blur about easy in battle he could- it’s not easy in battle .. This is a later population at his words
      2. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 16 June 2020 09: 15 New
        +1
        It’s strange that it bothered them)

        For some reason, I remembered the saying "the cat knows whose meat it ate"
    3. Civil
      Civil 16 June 2020 07: 15 New
      +3
      1. Well, firstly, envy is not harmful.
      2. This is all in the absence of air support from the enemy.
      3. Any constantly fighting army applies the experience of previous battles.
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    5. VO3A
      VO3A 16 June 2020 11: 30 New
      -1
      NOT more than partisan ravings ... How can a regular army enrich itself in a war against partisans? Practice providing - yes .. In terms of tactics of warfare, nothing!
      What is the use of barrel artillery and rocket launchers, APACHI and A-10 against tanks ... UAVs conduct reconnaissance against us and transmit coordinates in real time, and our tanks illuminate STELS and strike UAVs are used? I'm not talking about cluster munitions against tanks with individual guidance of individual elements ...Syria has shown that we do not know how to wage a modern war, we use the methods of the Second World War, but for our new technology and in the fight against a weak enemy, and at the same time widely inflate cheeks !!!
      1. Jager
        Jager 16 June 2020 17: 58 New
        +8
        And with whom is the United States fighting on its unparalleled Abrams? Against the Taliban with Kalash.
        ALL warring parties have heavy armored vehicles!
    6. silver_roman
      silver_roman 16 June 2020 22: 25 New
      +2
      Comrade, how can one make sense of their existence - the eternal bark towards Russia? what will they then do?
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 16 June 2020 05: 17 New
    +3
    If more tanks were continuously covering from air strikes!
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 16 June 2020 05: 20 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      If more tanks were continuously covering from air strikes!

      Well, then, the airmen also have their own carousel.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 16 June 2020 06: 09 New
      10
      So for this there is at least military air defense. Regularly. TORA as an example.
  3. igor67
    igor67 16 June 2020 05: 29 New
    +8
    In 2006, during the second Lebanese, the same Israeli tanks fired, I have a video, though on a cassette, my wife was shooting from the window, only there they were standing in a shelter, one tank was leaving, it shot and it left behind with a smoke screen, then the second tank did the same carousel
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 16 June 2020 06: 19 New
      +6
      Warfare is still a science. And she, as you know, does not stand still.
    2. Essex62
      Essex62 16 June 2020 08: 57 New
      +8
      What's the point? In urban areas, with manual reloading, due to some kind of fence, the fence can also be effective. What is shown in the video is not. A change of position in reverse is meaningless. Substance under fire, increasing the area of ​​damage. The automatic loader allows you to fire from a caponier effectively. The second exercise is fire in motion using the folds of terrain. I don’t understand what kind of carousel is there?
      1. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 16 June 2020 09: 22 New
        +9
        I don’t understand what kind of carousel is there?

        Not a tanker, but something seemed wrong too. After the shot, crawl out of the trench, and the second crawls in there. The enemy is very likely to determine the place and the answer will fly aiming. Specialists, explain, am I wrong?
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 16 June 2020 10: 45 New
          +6
          Rather, this is a standard exercise shooting from a caponier, shelter. One crew fired back, the other ran into the position. A merry-go-round is rather a constant change of position rather than a return to the same next armor.
        2. Alekseev
          Alekseev 16 June 2020 12: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Souchastnik
          explain, am I wrong?

          The trench is not alone. For each tank or self-propelled guns, or BMP, etc., several firing positions are being prepared, in addition, I try to mask the process of their occupation by dust, smoke and aerosols.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 16 June 2020 14: 17 New
            0
            With long-term defense. Carousel implies high-speed movement, at unequal intervals, I will recover all the same, return to the previous position, in the reality of a lack of room for maneuver. More suitable for urban development. And in the field, no matter how many RPGs per km of the front, the armor does not give a chance. You can't roll all of them because of the smoke. Applied, of course, to the Syrian theater of operations. Barmaley never run out, how much "no urine in the toilet".
            It's interesting about tactics, but the video is not about that.
    3. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 16 June 2020 14: 56 New
      -2
      This trick goes to the first supersonic ATGM (without control over the wires) ... -and if the adversary has an ATGM
      without the need for highlighting the target (shot-forgot), and at the same time the Spike NLOS analog, then take a gun, and as they say, a crap in the barrel ...
      Even the presence of a more or less tolerable artillery service will negate all these pirouettes.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 June 2020 05: 50 New
    +5
    Did the Poles think that the Russian army was preparing to go to the bayonet? Oh well ... having such armor, but with guns ...
    Tanks began to play the role (among other things) of assault guns working directly on the front line.
    You can’t put self-propelled guns there - the armor is weak. And the tanks - just right. Pturs will not have time to reach such a distance, in those seconds that the tank is visible as a target, and the shell, according to the calculated calculation, is just right ...
    1. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 23 June 2020 18: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Tanks began to play the role (among other things) of assault guns working directly on the front line.

      Turn a Russian tank into Merkava, fu.
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 16 June 2020 06: 27 New
    +1
    Oh how. Well, Poles are still those military analysts.
  6. Klingon
    Klingon 16 June 2020 06: 56 New
    +7
    what is this ZSU-24-2 (??), as far as I know there are ZSU-23-2, ZSU-37-2 "Yenisei" ZSU-57-2 "Dresh-machine" and ZSU-23-4 "Shilka ", ... the first number means the caliber of the gun, the second is the number of barrels. The "Tunguska" (2S6M and already ZRPK) also has 4 barrels but a caliber of 30mm.
    And where did anyone see a 24mm anti-aircraft gun? bully
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 17 June 2020 09: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: Klingon
      And where did anyone see a 24mm anti-aircraft gun?


      A pole with a caliper is power. laughing
  7. venik
    venik 16 June 2020 06: 59 New
    +1
    "...At the same time, anti-aircraft systems are used to cover tanks participating in the "carousel" in the city limits ZSU-24-2 or "Tunguska" firing at ground targets.... "
    ========
    ZSU-24-2 ??? And what is this "beast"? request
  8. Dikson
    Dikson 16 June 2020 07: 18 New
    -2
    This tactic is good, as long as the enemy has no air attack aircraft, helicopters, or shock drones ..
    1. K9_SWAT
      K9_SWAT 16 June 2020 08: 08 New
      +1
      And what, enemy helicopters will fly with impunity? Then n ... c. And if they are not allowed to do this? If the pilots are thinking about how they would not be shot down?
      Moreover, this tactic is used against illegal armed groups.
      There is no universal tactic! You cannot use the same technique always and everywhere, against any actions of the enemy. War is an art.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 16 June 2020 08: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: K9_SWAT
        Moreover, this tactic is used against illegal armed groups.

        Drone from "Alibaba" and "Tou-2B"
        And this "tactic" will turn into losses

        I understand Shoigu’s desire to save on tank protection and use money for something more necessary. Like frescoes with their own image. But it’s time to know shame ...
        1. sleeve
          sleeve 16 June 2020 08: 39 New
          -3
          And how can laughter or even better goggle be portrayed here?
        2. sleeve
          sleeve 16 June 2020 08: 40 New
          -2
          A phenomenal statement.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 16 June 2020 08: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: Dikson
      This tactic is good, as long as the enemy has no air attack aircraft, helicopters, or shock drones ..

      You can not even drums.
      Both for second-generation ATGMs that hit a target from above on a span (such as Tou), and for third-generation ATGMs that can operate in target capture mode after launch, all these tweaks are not a hindrance.
      Just know that the tanks are there.
    3. Dikson
      Dikson 17 June 2020 20: 27 New
      0
      What are so few cons then? ) Are you used to fighting with the goats?
  9. svp67
    svp67 16 June 2020 08: 12 New
    +1
    In military affairs, stagnation is similar to death, so inventing and practicing new tactics is correct, but why are they not practicing the use of TDA when changing positions? Mechanics should also be taught this.
  10. 113262a
    113262a 16 June 2020 08: 32 New
    +6
    I don’t like the carousel! Substituted for several minutes, the board to the delight of the adversary is still a pleasure! They would be on command 15-0, (target) Just turn around in a battle line, shoot from a place and break further along the route, and not work from the track at a snail's speed. Moreover, when flanking, not all and do not always fall. And to be a target, moving in fact in a convoy-lover. Yes, and rarely now they allocate something more than a platoon — and these are three boxes for accomplishing simple tasks. And yes, in the video the crews are working because of the parapet of the anti-tank ditch — which still needs to be opened by someone.
  11. Radikal
    Radikal 16 June 2020 08: 47 New
    +3
    “Syrian Wall” and “Carousel”: Polish media about a new style of battle for Russian tanks
    All this is good as long as the enemy does not have, or there are no means of an air attack (as in Syria), and everything becomes useless against an enemy who has modern and numerous STVs. Therefore, to go in cycles, and to put at the forefront of combat training of troops this experience is at least short-sighted. In a terrain, such as in Syria, in a desert area where there are no natural shelters, it can be good, again, provided the enemy has no SVN, and in another terrain, tactics may and should be different. sad
    1. your1970
      your1970 17 June 2020 11: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      everything becomes useless against an adversary who has modern and numerous STIs.

      Naturally!! Only here, if they IS- then we (and they, by the way too !!) will not see tank attacks .. Those who do not have nuclear weapons will not attack us, with those who have them - we will exchange nuclear attacks ....
  12. Esaul
    Esaul 16 June 2020 08: 50 New
    +3
    Forgot to mention another one of our crown numbers - firing cannons from the Poles
  13. alexmach
    alexmach 16 June 2020 09: 11 New
    +3
    Some nonsense on the video. He took a prepared position, shot, disguised himself ... and drove out of the trench to his full height, and the next one came in his place ... at the same time that the first was recharged. What? What for?
    A technique was developed in which the tank fires from two positions - the main and the spare


    Wow, it never happened before? Or was it?
  14. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 16 June 2020 09: 53 New
    +5
    The gearbox should work forward and backward equally. On Merkava - five speeds forward, and in reverse - the same. Do not have to substitute the side. Reverse - fast and smooth
  15. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 16 June 2020 10: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: alexmach
    Some nonsense on the video. He took a prepared position, shot, disguised himself ... and drove out of the trench to his full height, and the next one came in his place ... at the same time that the first was recharged. What? What for?
    A technique was developed in which the tank fires from two positions - the main and the spare


    Wow, it never happened before? Or was it?

    The bosses require some kind of experience, innovation. So they "invent". And this is either well forgotten old or stupidity out of the blue. They haven't come to the army yet, but according to the plan, take them out every month, put them in the kaizens (ratsuhi). laughing
    1. cniza
      cniza 16 June 2020 11: 16 New
      +3
      This is not the bosses, this life requires the search and development of new methods.
  16. cniza
    cniza 16 June 2020 11: 05 New
    +1
    According to the Polish publication, the listed tactical innovations are evidence that "the Russian army is striving for a dynamic manner of warfare."


    Another experts and military strategists ...
  17. Phoenix
    Phoenix 16 June 2020 13: 25 New
    +4
    "Experts" continue to amuse. All of these tactics are not new; they are also used in foreign armies. You can easily google videos using the second and third methods, and the first is in the Soviet chronicles of the exercises. Experts are such experts ...
  18. VyacheSeymour
    VyacheSeymour 16 June 2020 13: 51 New
    +3
    Along with this, tactics of supporting ground units with fire from tank guns began to be practiced. As a result, MBTs capable of firing at a distance of up to 12 km began to be used as mobile artillery.

    Brilliant solution !!!! - MBTs fire from 12 km (despite the fact that their mission is direct fire support in direct visibility), and self-propelled guns, MLRS and towed barrels are apparently wet with direct fire !!

    Having gained experience in fighting in the Chechen campaign, Russian tankers added to their arsenal of receptions with a "carousel". It implies the constant change of MBT in the firing position: while one machine is firing, another is preparing for it.

    Prepared? - Apparently manually in the trunks the core is rolled up and puffed with a banner?
    At the same time, ZSU-24-2 or Tunguska anti-aircraft systems, firing at ground targets, are used to cover tanks participating in the city carousel.


    It’s time to tear the ass from the sofa, open the window and breathe air ... otherwise it’s until the cover of the battleships with motor
    boats in the ocean can be completed.

    Another tactical novelty, according to Defense24, is the “Syrian rampart”, combining massive fire and active maneuvering. Tanks or other combat vehicles move one after another at distances from 20 to 100 meters, firing at a particular sector.


    To the commonplace, a hackneyed way of moving on a march - a ledge when cars go in a staggered manner with maintaining an increased distance - which makes it possible to be able to respond to shelling from an ambush, to disperse with a massive artillery or air raid. It allows you to avoid crowds when one of the cars is hit ... But here, to build equipment in a clean field in full view of the enemy ...- even traitors and pests in World War II did not know ... And maneuver, firing while driving one by one ( see in a column?) ..- for a long time you can learn not to learn.

    At the same time, it is important to provide cover for equipment from the flanks from the effects of anti-tank weapons.

    Apparently installing cumulative screens around the perimeter of the movement?

    This technique allows you to effectively crack wedges of the enemy’s defense in several places and go deep into enemy positions.

    Well, Barbaross’s blueprint performed by Guderian ....

    A technique was developed in which the tank fires from two positions - the main and the spare. On each of them MBT does not linger longer than 3-5 seconds. The main goal is to provoke the enemy to open fire, which allows you to detect enemy firing points and find out the strength of the enemy.



    The adversaries are in shock ...
  19. zenion
    zenion 16 June 2020 14: 07 New
    -1
    There is a novelty about what the Poles do not yet know. Now, instead of a silencer, when the tank shoots inside the apartment and during the shooting of the movie, a special shovel covered with a layer dissolving the soil can now be screwed into the tank barrel. The tank can go deep tens of meters below the surface of the soil, cross the border with Poland and emerge already in Warsaw, capturing all the important ministries. Moreover, they can go directly to the cabinet of ministers and quickly change shovels to jammers to determine everyone as if they were not there at all and even erase data in digital devices. The Poles started up late, they are already gone. And from the west, those whom the Poles have cleaned up will do the cleaning.
  20. Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 16 June 2020 15: 27 New
    0
    Smoke (black) gunpowder was returned to the army ?? wink
  21. Jager
    Jager 16 June 2020 18: 07 New
    +1
    The tactics of a quick change of position, maneuvering, a carousel and beat Katukov near Tula tank fist with small forces.
  22. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 16 June 2020 18: 39 New
    0
    I am looking at this "carousel", let's say with the eyes of an enemy who has an ATGM with a range of 4 km. There, a couple of kilometers away from me, an enemy tank scratches such a full-length across the field, rolls into a ditch, fires a shot somewhere, I keep it in sight, it backs out from the ditch again in full growth, and rolls back. Receiving from me at this moment an ATGM in pursuit. For an ATGM, the fact that the tank goes backwards for 150 meters before defeat will not play a role. The ATGM will also slam a charge into it just in the part where the mechvod sits or in the frontal part of the tower. And the Javelin to the top of the turret or to the engine compartment from the top. At least roll the tank from the position back, at least it will stand still. Another tank, which is rolling out into position to replace the one leaving, will obviously not have time to detect a shot or to target the launch of an ATGM. The only salvation from an ATGM in modern combat for a tank is to detect the launch in time and put up smoke and a curtain to knock down the ATGM from guidance. And the ATGM can only be detected by a special observer from the infantry that is attached to the tanks. With instant communication from him to the tank crew.
  23. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 16 June 2020 18: 43 New
    +4
    If the offensive is not hasty, and is expressed in the calm suppression of the firing points and fortifications of the enemy along the front, then it is easier to equip each position for the tank with concrete slabs and blocks with sand, which must be carried behind the tanks so that the tank rolls in there, sticks out only the muzzle, fires and fired, under the protection of this dugout. I do not see the meaning of the "merry-go-round in a rapid attack."
  24. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 16 June 2020 19: 42 New
    +3
    I’m embarrassed to ask: which tank is capable of firing at 12 km, what ammunition and where can I get from at such a distance?
    1. Real Vugluskr
      Real Vugluskr 17 June 2020 11: 23 New
      0
      There are precedents. Another question is that this is not a common practice.

      https://guide-israel.ru/history/79173-bitva-za-vodu-1964-67/
  25. Stalllker
    Stalllker 16 June 2020 20: 13 New
    -1
    They need to organize "Chechnya" or "Syria", let them train too
  26. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 17 June 2020 00: 35 New
    0
    But psham, then what matters is what our troops are capable of? Do the scoundrels, however, dream of a great and mighty pshekia? Pshekia will no longer be a significant country, only in lackeys, it will be only six .. And will there be any fighting countries in Europe at all except Germany. The United States may also be an economically strong country, and militarily, if only now the Merikans will find a common language among themselves.
  27. Evil 55
    Evil 55 17 June 2020 05: 04 New
    0
    Any, even local, application allows one to justify and adopt new techniques and methods .. I am glad that after the "Smerdyukovshchina" army, by some miracle, there are still literate people.
  28. SovietUnit
    SovietUnit 17 June 2020 06: 06 New
    -1
    The big war is already here! Where is the mobilization of the remaining factories? Where is the mass production of Su 35, T90, and other proven units? Where is the mobilization of reservists for the control check? Does our "zero-preoccupied" one understand at all what is happening in the world? That pandora's box will be opened on June 25 by the "deal of the century." This will be a war for a new world, in which the money of our "effective" will no longer help them. There is not much time left, the report is already for months, will go from June 25.
  29. Yurij Alekseev
    Yurij Alekseev 17 June 2020 08: 06 New
    0
    I don’t understand at all, but what’s the dog’s life for the Russian military? Let them learn to hide behind the abrams. They are the same.
    Or is it still not?
  30. Real Vugluskr
    Real Vugluskr 17 June 2020 11: 15 New
    0
    It seemed to me alone that Polish authors smoke a potion?