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Public opinion in relations between Moscow and Minsk

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PR and its absence



The question is sometimes asked by Belarusians: why should such articles be published about relations between the two countries and what could change from that? All trouble is that: in Russia, strangely enough as it seems to anyone, there is quite an acting political system. And public opinion is even present, and people are actively discussing various acute political problems. And the funniest thing is that this very public opinion quite “presses” the politicians.

Simply, according to established cliches, there is nothing similar in Russia and cannot be by definition. Hence, these are amusing “discrepancies”: there is public opinion in Russia, but practically no one is trying to work with it (seriously). It comes to the point of absurdity: Mr. Lukashenko hired “specially trained people” ... to create a “positive image in the West”, but “creating a positive image in Russia” did not interest him.

Only a very wild person today is not aware of how commercial advertising works and what is “product promotion on the market”. The same applies to PR-technologies: they exist, they act, and only a very naive voter can not suspect their existence (as the “case of Grudinin” shows, there are too many such “naive voters” even among politicized bloggers). Nevertheless, the presence of those same PR-technologies is foolish to deny, just as foolish to deny their use.

They are, they cannot but be. And even the very same Ukraine and Belarus tried to create in the West positive image of oneself, loved ones. Quite to themselves, people understand what political PR is, and are active in this direction. Ukraine (for certain reasons) is less interesting to the author, but Belarus, yes. It’s interesting here. This Republic of Belarus has made and is making serious efforts to, in spite of everything, create a positive image in the West. This is bad? Well, why? Good.

The trouble is different, the trouble is that in Russia no one has such a “bright image” of Belarus seriously did not even try to create. For some reason, it was deemed unnecessary to do so. Again and again: PR is a serious thing, which can be easily determined by the results of its absence, such as, for example, in the direction Minsk - Moscow. Belarusians categorically do not want to admit that Russia can be any better than them, so it’s absolutely impossible for them to recognize the simple fact that Russia is a much more free state. To recognize the presence of a certain public opinion and “politically active class” in Russia is also.

Therefore, a very simple formula is taken in the work: there is the Kremlin, there all decisions are made. What about the people? And the people are silent. Therefore, no one in Belarus tried Really work with Russian public opinion. It is believed that this is not necessary, useless, redundant. No, Mr. Lukashenko is actively working "for Russia", but ... exclusively with the Kremlin.

For some reason, a clear and stable idea has formed in Belarus that all political decisions / discussions in Russia go exclusively through the Kremlin. No other way. Even the Ukrainians did not have such an absolute conviction (there simply was Russophobia). But in Belarus there is such a mental “Putin-centricity” of Russian political discourse. What is clear to a Russian person is not quite and not immediately.

The trouble is: there is a single language space of the Russian Federation - the Republic of Belarus, but for some reason a single media / information space has not arisen. Rather, it disappeared after 1991. And for some reason, Belarusians derive an understanding of the political processes taking place in neighboring Russia ... from the Western media (with translation / adaptation of material through the Belarusian media / “independent bloggers”).

From the very beginning, many Ukrainians almost openly positioned themselves as “enemies of the Horde,” and with them such “identity problems” did not arise initially (at least from the author). He never sought to “persuade” the Ukrainians in something. What for? People do not like Russia because it is Russia, what can I argue with them? Why burn oxygen in vain?

Everything is much more interesting with Belarus: it reminds one of the “anti-Soviet" of the late era of the USSR, when the communists with thirty years of experience in the evenings listened to the "voices". That is, such an almost completely official “double morality”. People at the same time and simultaneously almost sincerely call themselves “the last allies of Russia” and at the same time they are guided by the point of view of the Western (not Russian) media. Moreover, for some reason, the Russian media annoys them and many are actively looking for an “alternative”.

By the way, there is nothing surprising here: the average person’s tolerance for alternative points of view is usually greatly exaggerated. Belarusians, on the whole, were oriented “west”, and today in the Russian information field they are "uncomfortable", especially after the Crimea and Syria. Moreover, Russia causes them more and more irritation (“the train leaves”): they, like the Ukrainians, do not know or learn foreign languages, no one is waiting for them in the West ... and Russia is becoming more and more “wrong” .

The meaning of the Crimean-Donbass-Syrian events also lies in the fact that Russia has finally refused (was refused) from participating in the European project. But it is precisely the Belarusians (at least their leadership) who also chose the “European vector” just as uncontested. The drama of the situation is added by the fact that the permanent president of Belarus in Europe is actually “banned”. Nevertheless, Europe.

Why was it necessary


That is why it’s very difficult to “promote a positive image of Belarus” in Russia today. The first step, the Republic of Belarus is an “independent state”, the second step is that it “shares European values”. Well, and most importantly, as already mentioned: no one from the very beginning in Belarus thought about creating that very “positive image” in Russia. I didn’t especially think about working with the “Russian audience”.

That is why today in Russia, quite naturally, a serious negative arose in relation to the Republic of Belarus - this was the last year’s leadership of Russia that the Russian leadership referred to, refusing Minsk “fraternal assistance”. Even the survey was conducted, the result - “dad” Russians do not look, his policy, too. The decisions of Minsk in South Ossetia, Syria, Donbass, Crimea, except for international, interstate (Moscow - Minsk) and other different, had another aspect impact on Russian public opinion. And each time Lukashenko turned his back on Russia (causing for some reason the sincere delight of his electorate).

As a result, over the past 10 years (almost from scratch!) Serious anti-Belarusian sentiments have formed in Russia. And this not “The machinations of the pro-Putin oligarchs”, this is the result of decisions of the head of the Republic of Belarus, the activities of Belarusian politicians and journalists ... For some reason, most Ukrainians / Belarusians are sincerely convinced that the Russians “think in central television”, alas, this is not so.

"Official Russia" (as in the case of Kiev) actively "squeezed the pedal of tolerance and non-resistance to evil on the floor." However, public opinion in Russia regarding the “last ally” developed simultaneously and independently of the official position. Yes, colleagues, I understand that it’s scary to think, but in Russia the official position may not coincide (and very often does not coincide) with public opinion on some issues. This is civil society, baby. Today, for example, Any a political deal with Kiev is impossible for purely domestic political reasons. The funny thing is that in Kiev, in Berlin, and in Washington they see only the “former agent and his entourage” ... And it seems to our esteemed “opponents and partners” that it’s enough to “cut their hands” properly, like the whole “Putin mode "will collapse like a house of cards.

The Russian people as a political factor do not exist for them fundamentally, hence the frank schizophrenic nature of their “Russian politics”: instead of working with Russian public opinion, they arrange a hunt for “oligarchs close to Putin”. And this is their "last and decisive battle."

But in fact, exactly the same model of foreign policy with regard to Russia exists in Poland, and Lithuania, and in Belarus (!). They work exclusively with the Kremlin (or rather, против Kremlin). At the same time, constant threats and attacks are "what the doctor ordered." So, in principle, if the model “one Kremlin - one political opinion in Russia” is working, then such a policy could be considered reasonable. And then ... how to say, how to say.

In professional politics, in general, it is not customary to be offended (it is customary to react adequately), but with public opinion everything is much more difficult ... As a result, in Russia everyone does not like the Baltic States and Poland very much. But alright, NATO and the EU are there, but with “fraternal Belarus” this leads to rather strange “collisions”. Russian public opinion is tuned today much more critical of Belarus than Russian officials demonstrate. And this not "The machinations of oligarchs craving the limit of national ownership in Belarus."

This is exactly the logical result of the last decade of Lukashenko’s policy towards Russia (which, by and large, suited Belarusians, otherwise it would not have been carried out). And this very opinion arose just outside the studios of Channel One and in addition to Soloviev. When a Russian citizen is arrested in Minsk for visiting Karabakh and extradited to Mr. Aliyev, this first demonstration gesture is addressed to the Kremlin, and only to the Kremlin. However, there are unaccounted consequences - a powerful surge of negativity in Russia as a reaction to such a gesture.

And because nobody in the Republic of Belarus was going to take into account the very “public opinion of Russians”. The hostile response is explained solely by the “anti-Belarusian conspiracy of greedy oligarchs”. And we have roughly the same thing, for example, in the case of the Russian air base in Belarus, which our Defense Ministry wanted to deploy at the peak of the crisis around Ukraine. This played a monstrously negative role in creating the “image of Belarus” in Russia. In Belarus, the “decisive refusal” is assessed as Lukashenko’s exceptional achievement, which is credited to him by both supporters and the opposition (that is, the same things are evaluated diametrically opposite in Russia and Belarus today).

The reason is the same: no one was going to take into account Russian public opinion, there is a "game against the Kremlin, which wants to disrupt Belarus’s rapprochement with the West." Moreover, here ordinary Belarusians, breaking all horizons of the absurd, offer the Russians to “cheer” for their “right and honest leader” who pursues a “peace policy”. The very idea that public opinion can be set up differently than “pro-Western” seems completely impossible for them.

That is, in fact, just in Russia, public opinion is quite present, and this is good news, and it has a very serious effect on politics - this is very good (and very unexpected news) ... The bad news (for Belarusians) is that it is sharply anti-Western today.

Suddenly. It's almost like in America: the masses are putting pressure on power


The serious and costly support of the warring Donbass is not just “greedy oligarchs”, as practice has shown, many Russian oligarchs quite like themselves to continue relations with Kiev. Donbass support is Russian public opinion. Exactly. Russian public opinion as a factor in world politics.

The funny thing is that they do not want to notice this “elephant” either in Ukraine or Belarus. Politically disadvantageous because. This whole theater of political absurdity is flowing from here, which we are witnessing: in the same Ukraine (especially after Maidan-2) numerous demonstrative anti-Russian gestures were made, such as an attack on the Russian embassy in Kiev and Russophobic statements, with growing anti-Ukrainian sentiments given out as the result of the “Kiselev’s propaganda”.

Only in this way, and nothing else. People are hostile to Russia, and it seems to them that this only normal attitude. The only thing. They categorically do not understand how a normal person can positively relate to Russia. Therefore, even before the second Maidan, communication between Ukrainians and Russians on political issues was extremely difficult (to put it mildly). With people of the West, there are: a) a language barrier; b) Russia is not always interesting to them; c) we don’t have any special “integration projects”, and our economies are not so closely connected.

The paradox of Ukraine was that it was very closely tied to Russia, there was no language barrier, but from the socio-political point of view, the discrepancies were already terrible in the zero years. For all the surrounding events, the picture in Russia and Ukraine was already very different in the zero years, and, as practice has shown, normally communicate with people who are used to pouring water on Russia and her history dirt is absolutely impossible.

It is usually customary to reason that people themselves will agree on everything, yeah, of course. You can agree within one concept. When the “contracting” parties proceed from two different (hostile) concepts, it is absolutely impossible to agree. Therefore, from a certain moment, communication with the Ukrainians lost any rational meaning. Ukrainian society categorically did not want to show at least some respect and understanding for the culture and history of the neighboring country (which were once their culture and history) - that is why.

And the most interesting thing is that quite a Russian-speaking Ukrainian propaganda (even at the level of commentators / bloggers) from a certain point in time in Russia ceased to be perceived fully, roughly, like Russian propaganda in Ukraine. And the basic historical / political concepts are different. At the same time, for some reason, gentlemen, Ukrainians, by default, believed that the concept of self-derogation and denial of their own history would be adopted in Russia.

When this did not happen (and this did not happen, forgive us, Leah!), Then productive communication on social and political topics became completely impossible. And this is not only and not so much “Kiselyov-Solovyov propaganda”, but just the mismatch of the basic concepts of worldview.

It turned out much more interesting with Belarus: unlike Ukraine, it was officially an ally of Russia. But the system of the Belarusian worldview very much resembled the Ukrainian one and was far from the Russian one. As a result, sooner or later, but in the Russian Federation and Belarus, the same political events began to be evaluated in very different ways. And from the point of view of Belarusians, their country is doing “good and right”, and the growing anti-Belarusian sentiment in Russia is the result of Kremlin-oligarchic propaganda.

But meanwhile, as already mentioned, this is the result of the fact that: a) there is public opinion in Russia that is not directly dependent on the Kremlin; b) this opinion, for objective reasons, since the defeat of Yugoslavia and as a result of NATO’s eastward movement, has been increasingly anti-Western; c) Belarusian media / officials have long chosen the pro-Western / anti-Russian vector of foreign policy; d) these same Belarusian media / politicians / diplomats did not even try to work with Russian public opinion.

As a result ...

Anti-Belarusian sentiments are growing in Russia. But how else to explain that 78% of Russians want to return the visa regime with their neighbors, according to a survey conducted by VTsIOM?

“Only 16% of respondents believe that the border between the countries should be preserved only as a formality.
More than half of the survey participants (56%) do not support discounts on oil and gas for the Union states, even in exchange for their support. Most Russians (60%) are against the sale of oil and gas to Belarus at a price lower than the market. ”

(Source. February 2017..)

And this is mostly “outside the Kremlin” and besides the Kremlin. Public opinion in Russia is set towards the same “Kiev fascists” much more radically than Mr. Lavrov, but the majority of Ukrainians do not even know about it ... For them, “public opinion” can be only one thing - pro-Western and anti-Russian. They cannot imagine another (that is, Russia as a state is needed only by Putin, but no one else). But any anti-Ukrainian actions of the Kremlin are met with the full and absolute support of the Russian electorate because of its well-defined political orientation.

Public opinion is always there


Now the same thing has finally touched Belarusians, a holiday has come to their street. Often in the comments from Belarusians there is that simple, at first glance, very understandable idea that, they say, that we are breaking spears here - the leadership of the “two fraternal countries” will understand everything without us. However, not everything is so simple: public opinion is in Russia, and public opinion is in Belarus. Even in Ukraine it exists: Poroshenko initially could not complete Minsk-2 due to the tough opposition of the radicals.

That is, as we all understand, even in medieval Europe even the prince of blood could not completely ignore public opinion. Because we do not live in the forest. It’s as if we live in a human society. The trouble is that the public opinion of the Russian Federation and Belarus is very differently oriented, often diametrically opposed. And there is no general political truth for everyone and there are no universal values. There are various opinions that understandably do not coincide. And today (living by no means in medieval Europe), Russian and Belarusian politicians are forced to take these opinions into account.

And this already makes some agreements and agreements very, very unattainable. Today, relations between the two states cannot be built solely on backstage intrigues and secret agreements. Even if it were not for Lukashenko’s frank attacks on Russia (which for some reason has not been surprising in Belarus for a long time), some kind of “secret agreement” would be unpromising today - we are living in the wrong era, gentlemen. The era of cabinet politics remained in the distant XVIII century.

Once again: there is no one correct look at the reality surrounding us - this is just an annoying propaganda illusion. And the attempt to promote universal values ​​is just an attempt to impose its rules and norms on the entire planet. So the sincere bewilderment and indignation of the Belarusians about the “wrong” actions of Russia in the international arena only testifies to the fact that the program for the formation of the Belarusian national consciousness, different from the Russian, as if already held .

First of all, Lukashenko’s ugliness basically had a choice: to carry out pro-Russian propaganda or anti-Russian. Well, he chose: first, in my opinion, he did not like Russia very much; secondly, it seemed to him a guarantee of independence; thirdly, it allowed to associate itself with Europe. Well and so on. Today, he has no particular choice: he will not win great popularity in Belarus with pro-Russian steps. For a quarter of a century, people have been popularly explained that Russia is very, very bad. And what do you suggest? So take it all and replay?

In a most paradoxical way, the current foreign political situation requires Lukashenko to seriously approach Russia (weapon, loans, market access), but the domestic political alignment (the habit of blaming Russia for everything) and semi-official Russophobia categorically hinder this. That is, even if Lukashenko decided today to drastically change the alignment, this would be impossible due to the presence of Belarusian public opinion. If tomorrow the president of the Republic of Belarus had suddenly announced the deployment of a videoconferencing base, recognition of the Crimea and full support for Russia's foreign policy, it would have sounded like a bolt from the blue. And not the fact that after that he would have retained control over the situation.

But about the same thing applies to the decisions of the Kremlin, which is forced to take into account the public opinion of Russians when making decisions. And there is public opinion, and there. And they, alas, are very different.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 16 June 2020 05: 59 New
    +8
    So you need to introduce a visa regime and not sell gas and oil below market value.
    1. Deck
      Deck 16 June 2020 06: 09 New
      -16
      You need to critically look at all this chatter. Dictators come and go, and nations, like brothers, have been living together for thousands of years. But provocateurs, instigators of anti-Belorussian moods need to be given in the paws
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 16 June 2020 06: 36 New
        +6
        The article says that more than half of Russians want to introduce a visa regime and do not want to sell oil and gas below market value.
        1. major147
          major147 16 June 2020 09: 41 New
          -5
          Quote: Pessimist22
          The article says that more than half of Russians want to introduce a visa regime and do not want to sell oil and gas below market value.

          Here I am personally from the "lesser half". In my opinion, the people of Belarus have little to do with political decision-making by the authorities.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 16 June 2020 14: 08 New
            +2
            Quote: major147
            In my opinion, the people of Belarus have little to do with political decision-making by the authorities.

            in the sense? Doesn’t the people of Belarus choose their president?
            ps
            we have already done this with the Ukrainians: so what, what is anti-Russian policy? - the brotherly people must be fed!
            the people of Ukraine in the elections clearly showed what pro-Russian politician to vote for ... but they voted for the younger Poroshenko (ZE) ...
            here, by the way, the author writes about this!
            1. Sergey49
              Sergey49 16 June 2020 15: 02 New
              +1
              He chooses a new constitution just like in Russia :)
              1. gsev
                gsev 20 June 2020 23: 35 New
                -2
                Quote: Sergey49
                He chooses a new constitution just like in Russia

                But don’t you know that in Russia the majority considers Putin to be a more worthy presidential candidate, and therefore will vote in the elections for the proposed changes to the Constitution.
            2. major147
              major147 16 June 2020 19: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: NEOZ
              in a sense?

              I agree about Ukraine, but no about Belarus. Lukashenka so cleans up the "clearing" before the elections that marginalized people remain against him and the people vote on the principle of "two evils".
          2. 210ox
            210ox 19 June 2020 12: 14 New
            0
            Someone is listening to public opinion !? Come on. Upstairs wanted to spit on what is happening below. Well, and Yegorov in his hypostasis. Apparently they did not pay for another topic.
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 16 June 2020 10: 04 New
          -6
          Quote: Pessimist22
          The article says that more than half of Russians want to introduce a visa regime and do not want to sell oil and gas below market value.

          And you willingly believe it. What did you hear about the survey? Where was he, when, how many people were interviewed? Which population groups were interviewed?
          The author is a mishandled Cossack. He works for contention between Russia and Belarus.
          We do not know the true situation in relations between Lukashenko and Putin, between the governments of the two countries. We know that they are not very good. But is it always only Lukashenko who is to blame? Personally, I'm not so sure.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 16 June 2020 14: 12 New
            -7
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            We do not know the true situation in relations between Lukashenko and Putin

            What do you think is better for the people of Belarus: to be independent or to become part of the Russian Federation?
            1. Sklendarka
              Sklendarka 16 June 2020 15: 04 New
              +5
              I will express my personal opinion
              - Belarus as it was and is part of Russia, i.e. Belarus is an experimental training ground of the Russian Federation.
              The writer certainly will not agree and will require examples and docks ...
              Yes please
              - repeal of the Constitution and extension of the presidential term
              -increasing retirement age ...
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 16 June 2020 11: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Pessimist22
          The article says that more than half of Russians want to introduce a visa regime and do not want to sell oil and gas below market value.

          I always ask myself a question in such topics, but what did the Belarusian hard worker do to me that I should be protected from it by a fence of visas and bans? What did the American American car dealer in Texas do to me that I should hate him and want him to someday burn out in the nuclear fire of war?
          All these games with visas, prohibitions, notes, etc., these are steering games, tops that rule the world. Not peoples hate each other. The political, financial, world elite conduct their games as long as humanity exists, and in these games, ordinary people are just a bargaining chip on the chessboard of their games.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 16 June 2020 15: 09 New
            -1
            Quote: NEXUS
            I always ask myself a question in such topics, but what did the Belarusian hard worker do to me that I should be protected from it by a fence of visas and bans?

            In this regard, are you ready to give them part of the domestic food market? Are you ready to give them jobs in your country? Are you ready to sell them fuels and lubricants below the market? Are you ready to download their MIC? - ON WHAT BASIS DO YOU TRADE THE INTERESTS OF YOUR COUNTRY ???
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 16 June 2020 15: 17 New
              +5
              Quote: NEOZ
              ON WHAT BASIS DO YOU TRADE THE INTERESTS OF YOUR COUNTRY ???

              Uti ways ... and on what basis, the Chinese cut down our Taiga do not tell? Or maybe you can tell, on the basis of which, the minerals of the country seem to be popular, but the people in fact have nothing to do with them. Or can you tell me, on the basis of what kind of laws do our boys die in Syria? For the Motherland or for the pipe of Gazprom and Rosneft?
              I don’t need to throw slogans here, dear. I repeat, the hatred is ARTIFICIAL, which is fueled by propaganda on both sides. Or do you not know this?
              Do not confuse the interests of elites and the interests of the people.
              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ 16 June 2020 15: 27 New
                0
                Quote: NEXUS
                Uti ways ..

                Quote: NEXUS
                Are you ready to give them part of the domestic food market? Are you ready to give them jobs in your country? Are you ready to sell them fuels and lubricants below the market? Are you ready to download their MIC?

                in fact the questions asked have something to answer?
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 16 June 2020 15: 33 New
                  0
                  Quote: NEOZ
                  in fact the questions asked have something to answer?

                  Dear, these questions you have raised are not for me, but for our helmsman. And those demands in questions voiced, this is all that Lukashenko put forward.
                  At the same time, you did not answer more than one of my questions, very skillfully transferring the conversation to the plane of foreign policy, which our helmsmen are leading.
                  1. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 16 June 2020 15: 46 New
                    -3
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    very skillfully moving the conversation to the plane of foreign policy

                    when one country feeds another at the expense of its population, isn't that a foreign policy?
                  2. NEOZ
                    NEOZ 16 June 2020 16: 28 New
                    -3
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    these questions you posed are not for me

                    Quote: NEXUS
                    I don’t need to throw slogans here

                    since you can’t justify your requirements, it’s you throwing slogans !!!!
              2. NEOZ
                NEOZ 16 June 2020 15: 38 New
                -6
                Quote: NEXUS
                on what basis, the Chinese cut down our taiga do not tell?

                on the basis of agreements, taking into account that China is a strategic partner of the Russian Federation.
                see trade
                Quote: NEXUS
                but the people in fact have nothing to do with them.

                even as it has !!!
                Rosneft is owned by the state, there is a tax on the extraction of minerals, 48% of the budget consists of taxes on oil, from the budget is the purchase of products abroad, state employees, pension, etc.
                Quote: NEXUS
                on the basis of what kind of laws do our boys die in Syria?

                our wars perish in the UAR protecting the interests of your country (and you want to give these interests to Belarusians), respectively, the interests of the Russian people! those. perform their main function!
                Quote: NEXUS
                For the homeland or for the pipe of Gazprom and Rosneft?

                both that and another and the third are our Homeland
                Quote: NEXUS
                Do not confuse the interests of elites and the interests of the people.

                What do you think is better for the people of Belarus: to be independent or to become part of the Russian Federation?
              3. akunin
                akunin 16 June 2020 17: 09 New
                +2
                Quote: NEXUS
                artificial hatred, which is fueled by propaganda on both sides. Or do you not know?
                Do not confuse the interests of elites and the interests of the people.

                but the elites rule ... don’t be too lazy to browse through the Belarusian segment of the Internet, you will find a lot of interesting things for myself, I’m not talking about television (official and conditionally official) at the household level, but slightly more officially (they want to bourgeois) hi
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 17 June 2020 11: 13 New
                  +1
                  Quote: akunin
                  at the household level, one, but a little more officially another (they want to the bourgeoisie)

                  my friend married a Belarusian to me ... according to the worldview, this is a Ukrainian light version ...
                  dreams of the EU ...
                  1. akunin
                    akunin 17 June 2020 12: 06 New
                    +2
                    and friend
                    dreams of the EU
                    “Belarusians not without thoroughly believe that it is easier and better to live in the EU - another question, and what niche are they ready to occupy there? To harvest strawberries in Poland, repair and construction work (fence - toilet)?
                    1. NEOZ
                      NEOZ 17 June 2020 13: 44 New
                      +4
                      Quote: akunin
                      and friend

                      no, does not dream, and does not want.
                      I worked as a trucker in a girtek, traveled all over Europe .... even more does not want to live there ......
                      Quote: akunin
                      and what niche are they ready to occupy there? To harvest strawberries in Poland, repair - construction work (fence - toilet)?

                      judging by the inventions of the friend’s wife, it’s not a shame to wash away the elderly seigneur, if only to live in Europe (these countries meant Spain / Portugal) ... from which I conclude that any niche will suit them ...
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                      2. Fan-fan
                        Fan-fan 18 June 2020 14: 58 New
                        -3
                        to harvest strawberries in Poland, repair and construction work (fence - toilet)?

                        This is at least some work, and worthy of paid. And in our outback, and this is not. My brother has a German wife, works as a seller in Germany, receives 3,5 thousand euros. He can afford to change his car every 5 years, every year he comes to Russia to his relatives.
                        Take a look at the statistics of how many of our flees to the west, be very surprised. Not only do we have fewer people born than die, so tens of thousands more are felled from the country and the hard workers and the educated are fleeing. And the authorities are silent about this, like that ostrich - his head in the sand and there are no problems.
            2. bayard
              bayard 18 June 2020 05: 09 New
              +4
              Minus from me for
              Quote: NEXUS
              Uti ways.

              Very ugly.
              And your position ... is very ambiguous. What do you mean, "people have nothing to do with", "down with the borders", "you need to feed your" brother "even if he put it on your head" ...
              If Russia has only losses and troubles from “fraternal” Belarus, only dirt from the language of their “father” and political demarches, constant demands:
              - write off debts
              - give a new loan without paying off the previous
              - reduce the already low oil and gas prices
              - do not limit the volume of their supply to the internal needs of the republic, because you also want to trade with your margin
              - close military facilities
              - open up markets to the detriment of their own producers
              - build a free nuclear power plant
              And at the same time, demonstrative arrests of Russian property, arrests of our militias (from LDNR) ... and never support Russia at the international level ...
              This is a CHANGE.
              And the people are worthy of their president, whom they elected.
              Why should the inhabitants of Russia suffer for the welfare of Belarusians? Why should Russian enterprises incur losses and go bankrupt, for the sake of the profits of this ghoul?
              Do you even know to whom everything belongs in Belarus?
              This is his - a mustached, private collective farm ... more precisely - an estate.
              The people there are good.
              But in Russia it is no worse.
              And in the former Ukraine there are many of these.
              But if their states are hostile to our state ...
              At least - NO PREFERENCES!
              No debt relief.
              No "brotherly feelings" for the villain in the leadership.
              After all, we have a market? lol
              AND CAPITALISM. yes
              And the enemy at the gate.

              Surprisingly, Belarusians really think that Lukashenko is doing everything right ...
              So - just the neighbors.
              And pay in full.

              Or do you seriously think that Russia owes everyone and therefore is obliged to "pay and repent"?
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 18 June 2020 15: 05 New
                -3
                If "Old Man" and Belarus, as you described here, live at the expense of Russia, then there is nothing to say - good fellow, he does everything right for his country, since the main thing is a good life in his country. It would be strange if the dad took care of other countries.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 18 June 2020 15: 24 New
                  +3
                  If “fraternal relations” with Belarus bring Russia only losses and troubles, and inconveniences and disappointments for the Russian people, then the decision to trade at world prices is RIGHT, because it is in the interests of Russia and its citizens.
                  Is everything right?
                  All .
                  And mirror your opinion.
                  And more precisely - in your opinion, it would be necessary to twist Belarus hands at higher prices and pile on it interest on all debts and fines.
                  After all, it will be in favor and in the interests of Russia.
                  Right ?.
                  If Russia acted with you according to yours -
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  correctly

                  receiving only your interest from you and not giving ANYTHING in return ... probably you would love Russia MUCH more, because its behavior would be, in your understanding:
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  correctly

                  Apparently so.

                  Although it’s better, in our opinion - as WE are used to - mutual assistance and solidarity.
                  But you just want it all ONE side and benefit.
                  In his.
                  And this is parasitism.

                  This is especially unpleasant and offensive to me to write for the Belarusians from Donetsk. We already know the value of Lukashenka's "brotherhood". No.
      2. Normal ok
        Normal ok 17 June 2020 18: 20 New
        -1
        Quote: Pessimist22
        The article says that more than half of Russians want to introduce a visa regime and do not want to sell oil and gas below market value.

        A lot of things are written on the fences.
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 16 June 2020 06: 43 New
      25
      The author about public opinion wrote absolutely correctly.
      That's just about why, in fact, these * brotherly ...... * are not shy in expressions in relation to CITIZENS of RUSSIA and to RUSSIA itself?
      And the casket with a secret is simple, for some reason they are sure that they are better in quality than CITIZENS OF RUSSIA. At first they were told this, but now * the local * population believes in it. Moreover, it is the cornerstone of * European values ​​*.
      It’s funny to talk even with a Frenchman, even with a German, and of course with the Englishman about culture and about * contribution to world culture * and other * civilization *. Porridge in the head is complete but with absolute confidence in their own superiority.
      So * brothers .... * caught this virus, hence the full conviction that * RUSSIA MUST ............................. .................................................. ............... *. Duty is limited only by one's own imagination.
      1. Deck
        Deck 16 June 2020 08: 45 New
        +1
        The author about public opinion wrote absolutely correctly.


        You need to carefully choose your society where you get an opinion. I have a lot of relatives, friends, acquaintances, colleagues in Ukraine and Belarus. And no one is going to change their attitude towards the peoples of the three countries because of different dives in power. These will die - and in ten years they will forget their name. Are you inferiority complexes tormenting you?
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 16 June 2020 08: 55 New
          +9
          Inferiority complexes just torment our smaller brothers.
          Hence the back arching, jumping on the spot, snorting - the desire to seem bigger and worse than it really is.
          But the presence of sour cream in the saucer is closely monitored.
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 16 June 2020 14: 13 New
          -8
          Quote: Deck
          And change their attitude towards the peoples of the three countries

          What do you think is better for the people of Belarus: to be independent or to become part of the Russian Federation?
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 18 June 2020 15: 09 New
            0
            "Comrade", you are asking this question for the third time here, closed up? Nobody wants to answer you, hurt?
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 19 June 2020 11: 32 New
              -1
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              this is the third time you ask this question here, is it closed?

              I ask this question to different people who speak out for the support of the Belarusian people.
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Nobody wants to answer you, is it a shame?

              no, not offensive.
              These persons do not answer this question for a reason.
              any answer to this question will contradict their statements and / or expose the true motives of these persons.
              ps
              What do you think is better for the people of Belarus: to be independent or to become part of the Russian Federation?
      2. Basil50
        Basil50 16 June 2020 08: 55 New
        12
        deck
        Something like that was rubbed against us about the North Caucasus, when the local authorities and their people were either in the elite or in the rulers of RUSSIAN slaves, not only inscribed themselves, but acted like animals in relation to all * non-Caucasian people *. When slaves became lacking at all, they began to enslave their neighbors * unanimous *. And explaining everything with his * elite * or tribal * customs *.
        The trouble is when people begin to write themselves in * gentlemen *, and then when they have to sit with * a broken trough * then at once about * brotherhood *, about the fact that they * are one thing, but the authorities are something else *.
        1. Deck
          Deck 16 June 2020 09: 16 New
          -9
          The trouble is when people begin to fit themselves in * gentlemen *


          Would you like to look in the mirror? And then all the neighbors are taught to live, spitting through the lip.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 16 June 2020 14: 14 New
            -9
            Quote: Deck
            Would you like to look in the mirror?

            What do you think is better for the people of Belarus: to be independent or to become part of the Russian Federation?
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 16 June 2020 10: 07 New
        -1
        Quote: Vasily50

        That's just about why, in fact, these * brotherly ...... * are not shy in expressions in relation to CITIZENS of RUSSIA and to RUSSIA itself?

        Quote: Vasily50

        So * brothers .... * caught this virus, hence the full conviction that * RUSSIA MUST

        And you will learn about all this from the media. Do you believe them?
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 16 June 2020 11: 24 New
          +7
          I don’t believe the media, but I believe the statements of the muscle brothers themselves. Heard, read, seen more than once.
          The desire to fix financial problems at the expense of Russia and Russians is indestructible.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 16 June 2020 12: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: Pereira

            I don’t believe the media, but I believe the statements of the muscle brothers themselves. Heard, read, seen more than once.

            Yes that's right. It is incomprehensible to your mind to understand that such statements belong to an aggressive, and therefore active, minority.
            And based on their statements, you make stupid conclusions.
            And when they held a referendum in Belarus, the majority supported the Russian language. And if you hold a referendum in Belarus and with us, then the majority that we have there will speak out for the closest alliance between Russia and Belarus, and you will remain in the minority.
            1. soloveyav
              soloveyav 16 June 2020 13: 27 New
              +7
              The referendum in Belarus was in 1996, since then 24 years have passed. The Soviet generations partially left, but the youth came out - and it is mostly pro-Western. And you do not confuse language and union - for the language and now most likely there will be a majority, but hardly for the union.
            2. andrey682006
              andrey682006 16 June 2020 13: 48 New
              +4
              Aggressive minority, you say? And does the minority leave the money from the preferential price of oil / gas?
              Or do all Belarusians use and still demand?
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 16 June 2020 14: 39 New
                +4
                Quote: andrey682006
                And does the minority leave the money from the preferential price of oil / gas?

                What kind of money? Is Gazprom and oil companies state owned?
                Do you believe traders that they sell oil and gas with Belarus at a loss? Oh well. Blessed is he who believes in merchants.
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 16 June 2020 16: 25 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  What kind of money?

                  saved, on the difference between market and selling price.
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Is Gazprom and oil companies state owned?

                  quite rightly these are companies with state participation.
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  trade oil and gas with Belarus at a loss?

                  no, but without the expected profit.
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Blessed is he who believes in merchants.

                  and who do you believe if the whole history of mankind is a history of trade?
            3. NEOZ
              NEOZ 16 June 2020 14: 22 New
              -1
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              And when they held a referendum in Belarus, the majority supported the Russian language.

              of course! it is primarily beneficial to the Belarusians themselves !!!!!
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk

              And if you hold a referendum in Belarus and ours, then the majority of what we have there will speak out for the closest alliance of Russia and Belarus

              some kind of oxymoron .... i.e. Belarusians want integration, but they don’t want onions, but Belarusians stubbornly vote for it ...... how so?
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 16 June 2020 14: 41 New
                +1
                Quote: NEOZ
                but Belarusians stubbornly vote for him ...... how so?

                But we, too, are stubbornly voting for Putin. No?
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 16 June 2020 14: 46 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  But we, too, are stubbornly voting for Putin. No?

                  GDP suits me ...
                  if the GDP policy did not meet the expectations of the people, it would be like in Ukraine (they voted for ЗЕ, if only not to be powdered) ...
                  from which I conclude: dad Belarusians are satisfied ... well then let them not complain ...
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 16 June 2020 14: 59 New
                    0
                    Quote: NEOZ
                    well then let them not complain ...

                    Show me the complaints of Belarusians. Just not the complaint of a journalist.
                    1. NEOZ
                      NEOZ 16 June 2020 15: 12 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Show me the complaints of Belarusians.

                      you can read complaints in these comments.
      4. vasek5533
        vasek5533 16 June 2020 11: 17 New
        -5
        The trick is that people like this author created this opinion, you don’t even want to hear the other side. Everything came down to the primitive: they did not recognize Crimea Abkhazia, they receive free oil and gas. You are lying, and you are happy. And now ... someone spoils articles that year, and then, it turned out, the Russians already want to close the borders ... themselves, all by themselves.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 16 June 2020 11: 26 New
          +8
          Exactly. Proletarian internationalism died with Soviet power. Now all by yourself and for the money.
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 16 June 2020 14: 27 New
          -4
          Quote: vasek5533
          You are lying, and you are happy. And now...

          tell us the truth, and we will appreciate.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 16 June 2020 14: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: NEOZ
            tell us the truth, and we will appreciate.

            Those who know the truth will never tell it.
            And those who do not know her, how can they talk about her?
            Look for it yourself. Based on the mind, knowledge and life experience.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 16 June 2020 14: 53 New
              -6
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Those who know the truth will never tell it.

              Thank you for the advice that I did not ask you ...
              Thank you for answering the question that I asked not for you ...
              By the way, I asked you a question earlier, will you answer it?
        3. NEOZ
          NEOZ 16 June 2020 14: 28 New
          -10
          Quote: vasek5533
          It all came down to primitive:

          What do you think is better for the people of Belarus: to be independent or to become part of the Russian Federation?
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 16 June 2020 14: 47 New
            +3
            Quote: NEOZ

            What do you think is better for the people of Belarus: to be independent or to become part of the Russian Federation?

            First you need to understand what independence is. From whom, from what, etc.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 16 June 2020 15: 15 New
              -5
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              First you need to understand what independence is. From whom, from what, etc.

              rephrase well:
              What do you think is better for the people of Belarus: to be in a position "as it is now" or to become part of the Russian Federation as Crimea joined?
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 16 June 2020 19: 29 New
                -2
                Quote: NEOZ

                rephrase well:
                What do you think is better for the people of Belarus: to be in a position "as it is now" or to become part of the Russian Federation as Crimea joined?

                America will not open. You yourself could come to this conclusion if you were not lazy to think.
                Someone will win, someone will lose. Something to win, something to lose.
                Those in power will lose mainly those in power and those in power.
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 17 June 2020 11: 06 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  if not lazy to think.

                  I'm interested in your train of thought
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Someone will win, someone will lose.

                  I asked specifically about the people, and not about particulars!
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 17 June 2020 12: 09 New
                    -1
                    Quote: NEOZ
                    I asked specifically about the people, and not about particulars!

                    The question you asked is easy, but hard to answer. Very hard.
                    Do you think the Belarusians do not know what the neocapitalists have done to the Russian industry? Destroyed everything, or almost everything. Where is the guarantee that Russian business sharks will not buy everything in Belarus and go skating rink in their industry? If Belarus joins Russia, no one can give such a guarantee. Do Belarusians need it?
                    Here, as they say - "And I want to and inject, but my mother does not order"
                    Something like this. I do not know if I was able to push you into this path of your further thoughts.
                    Yes, I would like, even losing materially, that Russia, Ukraine and Belarus would be, if not in one state, then at least in a close economic and military-political union.
    3. Humpty
      Humpty 16 June 2020 06: 55 New
      14
      Quote: Deck
      But provocateurs, instigators of anti-Belorussian moods need to be given in the paws

      Who exactly do you mean? Is V. Trukhan, for example, with his harsh criticism of the AHL a provocateur or A. Vajra As far as I know, people belong to Belarusians (so far) exactly. The longer Belarus remains a limited education, the less it becomes interesting to Russia. And I'll lay my head on the flask ...
      1. Deck
        Deck 16 June 2020 08: 23 New
        -7
        Who exactly do you mean?

        And I'll lay my head on the flask ...


        You for example
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 16 June 2020 08: 56 New
          +2
          You'd better take care of those who sat down on two chairs at once and are proud of it.
    4. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 16 June 2020 07: 58 New
      10
      There are no provocateurs, but the "dad" kindles himself, and he is a good horse, moreover ...
    5. EvilLion
      EvilLion 16 June 2020 09: 37 New
      +4
      For an ordinary Russian, all these Belarusian problems are deep into the light, he only periodically sees the circus performed by Lukashenka, and news like "Belarus did not recognize Crimea". So you can give Rygorych a shot at playful hands. "All by yourself. By yourself."
    6. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 16 June 2020 10: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Deck
      You need to critically look at all this chatter. Dictators come and go, and nations, like brothers, have been living together for thousands of years. But provocateurs, instigators of anti-Belorussian moods need to be given in the paws

      Totally agree! hi
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ 16 June 2020 14: 31 New
        -8
        Quote: Corona without virus
        Totally agree!

        What do you think is better for the people of Belarus: to be independent or to become part of the Russian Federation?
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 16 June 2020 18: 00 New
          0
          Quote: NEOZ
          Quote: Corona without virus
          Totally agree!

          What do you think is better for the people of Belarus: to be independent or to become part of the Russian Federation?

          Personally, I believe that the Union State between Belarus and Russia, which according to the documents already exists, is what we need !! In elections, change power in an elective way in both countries - and you can perfectly live together for both peoples, implementing what is already in the Treaty on the Union State hi
    7. NEOZ
      NEOZ 16 June 2020 14: 09 New
      -7
      Quote: Deck
      Dictators come and go, and nations, like brothers, have been living together for thousands of years.

      What do you think is better for the people of Belarus: to be independent or to become part of the Russian Federation?
    8. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 20 June 2020 12: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Deck
      You need to critically look at all this chatter. Dictators come and go, and nations, like brothers, have been living together for thousands of years. But provocateurs, instigators of anti-Belorussian moods need to be given in the paws

      And the provocateurs of anti-Russian sentiments in the Republic of Belarus (by the way, there aren’t so many of them, up to 25-30% of electors) should they be ironed on the head and appeased with loans (implied irrevocable)?

      You need to learn from the same Trump - you do not fulfill allied obligations - you get sanctions. Financial first!
      Moreover, the sea leverage.
      And first of all, to take over the radio and television.
      Enough dad for Russian money to drive to Russia from all television and radio receivers.
      Work on Lenin - borders (bridges), banks, telegraph, telephone ...
      And who doesn't like it - a suitcase, a train station, Warsaw ...
  2. Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 16 June 2020 07: 15 New
    -3
    I AM FOR !!!, but .. your (Russian) has so many here (in Belarus) their interests that they won’t do it.
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 16 June 2020 07: 32 New
      11
      scalapendarke
      This is the result of what Lukashenko does in Belarus. It was he who purposefully destroyed everyone who tried to enter the * business * of the Republic of Belarus. Then he destroyed everyone who had at least something in Belarus itself.
      Today, Lukashenko, together with his family, is the only oligarchic clan of the Republic of Belarus and he naturally does not need neither * competitors * nor those who can create a new production, since it is quite difficult to take away what others created and without publicity.
  3. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 16 June 2020 09: 56 New
    +3
    Quote: Pessimist22
    So you need to introduce a visa regime and not sell gas and oil below market value.

    What the author seeks.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 16 June 2020 06: 15 New
    +5
    By my definition, the masses can not put pressure on power. Not in America, nor in Russia. It’s just some kind of branch of government that is profitable to open the tap for discussion and protests. There are always people who want to warm their hands over the light. And there, whatever happens.
    1. Olezhek
      16 June 2020 08: 44 New
      +2
      By my definition, the masses cannot put pressure on power


      In your opinion, can there be "spherical power in a vacuum"?
      Without reliance on any social strata?
      Can a regime hang in the air and not rely on anything?
      Political fiction galleries?
      1. DVR
        DVR 16 June 2020 11: 05 New
        -3
        Can a regime hang in the air and not rely on anything?

        Partly true.
        Of course, the "regime" or power always rely on something. Another question - what for? It can also be the support of the people, as it is in Russia today, whoever says what, and the president enjoys the support of the overwhelming majority of the population. And there may be completely different supports, as in Ukraine, for example. You will not argue that the regime there rests on the support of the masses, which is well illustrated by the results of the last presidential elections.
    2. major147
      major147 16 June 2020 09: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: nikvic46
      By my definition, the masses cannot put pressure on power.

      The beginning of the 90s in Russia completely refutes your words.
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 16 June 2020 11: 13 New
        +2
        These are bifurcation points; civilizational rules do not work in them.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 16 June 2020 06: 37 New
    -3
    he, in my opinion, did not like Russia much
    Russia or Russian oligarchs are not identical concepts. How can essentially Russian Lukashenko not love Russia? And which of our ordinary Russian people does not like Belarus?

    PR-technologies, you say, but who would doubt that they exist and work. We are told that Belarus is a freeloader, a freeloader, and in Belarus, even without PR, everyone understands what will happen to their economy if it falls into the hands of our newly-minted "nobles", "effective managers".

    What is stopping Putin from holding the country like Lukashenko, having enlarged the state sector of the economy, what not to say to the Russian brother-oligarchs - a suitcase, a train station, London (otherwise on a bunk, with their criminal dossier)?
    So, then the economies of Belarus and Russia would be compatible, and nothing would prevent us from really becoming one country after unification. Otherwise, we are one people, and one so far divided country, divided precisely because of the history of capitalism picked up in Russia from the dustbin. Bad boys flared up in our country, ran into the new party of power, first betraying the CPSU, discrediting the idea of ​​communism, only not for a jar of jam and a pack of cookies, but for billions of dollars in foreign accounts, for "golden toilets" in bourgeois palaces.

    Lukashenko, naturally, is spinning ... What remains for him to keep Belarus alive, and when you love Russia.
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 16 June 2020 07: 33 New
      16
      Quote: Per se.
      Lukashenko, naturally, is spinning ... What else remains for him

      Still spinning. For some reason, we are bashfully hushed up about how many of his political rivals were killed or simply disappeared. But these are not speculations, but real facts.
      Our special services learned about this back in the 90s, when Belarus Melnichenko was detained and questioned in Chechnya, who fought for the Chechens and was the former head of the special forces unit of the internal troops of Belarus, personally involved in the murder of many opposition leaders of Belarus. I believe that ours did not begin to make noise because the old man still publicly expressed his loyalty to Russia.
      1. Olezhek
        16 June 2020 09: 07 New
        +5
        Our special services learned about this back in the 90s, when Belarus Melnichenko was detained and questioned in Chechnya, who fought for the Chechens and was the former head of the special forces unit of the internal troops of Belarus,


        Thank you very much, I didn’t know ... yes
        1. kjhg
          kjhg 16 June 2020 09: 10 New
          +5
          Quote: Olezhek

          Thank you very much, I didn’t know ...

          Banter from the author? Do not you think that there may be those who really did not know about this?
          1. Olezhek
            16 June 2020 09: 18 New
            +4
            Banter from the author?


            Sorry, no one can know all request
    2. kjhg
      kjhg 16 June 2020 07: 53 New
      14
      Quote: Per se.
      Lukashenko, naturally, is spinning ... What remains for him to keep Belarus alive, and when you love Russia.

      Drop you make up. All his actions are aimed only at maintaining personal power. For him, there are no laws and no crimes that he would not have committed to stay in power. Have you heard about Tikhanovsky? Very interesting person. I advise you to watch it in YouTube. You just need to score in the search stop cockroach. This is a real person from the people who was going to stand for election in August. That's what they did to him
      Then, the other day, the whole team of another candidate, Babarykin, the former head of Belgazprombank, was arrested. The entire leadership of the bank was also arrested. The bank itself, 99% of which belongs to Gazprom, is actually seized by Belarus. These are the things that are happening with the neighbors.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 16 June 2020 07: 57 New
        -8
        Further, the entire team of another candidate, Babarykin, the former head of Belgazprombank, was arrested. The entire leadership of the bank was also arrested. The bank itself, 99% of which belongs to Gazprom, is actually seized by Belarus. These are the things that are happening with the neighbors.

        Yes, the horror is going on! They did not give Belgazprombank wink seize power in Belarus.
      2. andrey682006
        andrey682006 16 June 2020 13: 57 New
        -2
        PJSC Gazprom (Russian Federation) 49,818%
        So do not lie.
        1. Sergey49
          Sergey49 16 June 2020 15: 10 New
          +1
          Gazprom 49,818 + Gazprombank 49,818 - this is even more than 99% in Russia.


          But the very thing is that Belarusians owning less than 0.1% now control all the rest of Russia. This is a new word in economics and finance ... urgent patenting :)
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 16 June 2020 08: 33 New
      10
      And what about the economy of the Republic of Belarus, relying on the public sector, breaks all the growth records?) Are you supposed to be kidding now?)
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 16 June 2020 09: 14 New
        +3
        Our views are almost always different, but this is the case when they coincided.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 16 June 2020 09: 38 New
          -1
          Why not?) Views and should not coincide at all with everyone) as well as opinions
      2. Per se.
        Per se. 16 June 2020 09: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: carstorm 11
        And what about the economy of the Republic of Belarus, relying on the public sector, breaks all the growth records?)
        This is not me kidding, but those who work out their "bone", as a "firewall" or on a PR order.
        Belarus does not have such a margin of safety as a large Russia, long ago the kirdyk would come to the economy of Belarus, with our Chubais and Gref sins. On the contrary, if Lukashenko, to Belarus, had natural resources such as Russia, Belarus would have prospered. Yes, at the moment, their state sector does not break all the records of growth, but the country is alive, the people have jobs, and BelAZ will not repeat the fate of ZIL.
        Having received a superpower, what did our capitalists do so special in almost 30 years of their "evolution", where did they break the growth records? We are eating up the Soviet reserve of strength, we are selling off Soviet military developments, our natural raw materials. Of course, against the background of Yeltsin, if you look, but the direct duty and obligations of our powers that be for favors and exploits, there will be progress.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 16 June 2020 09: 42 New
          +1
          Why do you compare them with Russia?) Compare with something proportional. ZIL with BELAZom to compare well to itself.
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 16 June 2020 10: 41 New
          -2
          Quote: Per se.
          Having received a superpower, what did our capitalists do so special in almost 30 years of their "evolution", where did they break the growth records?

          Well, after your communist economists, over the past 20 years they have made the 6th economy of the world, the 6th in gold and foreign exchange reserves. We have developed the agriculture you have ditched, that now we do not buy grain abroad, but sell it. Raised the standard of living of the population. People like in 1962 in Novocherkassk do not go out of the streets with hunger.
        3. Gunter prereen
          Gunter prereen 19 June 2020 22: 59 New
          0
          Such ravings can be heard from many Litvinians. We would have your resources, your money, and much more of yours and we would then ....... And if you also printed dollars, then probably Belarus would have become the center of the universe!
      3. NEOZ
        NEOZ 16 June 2020 14: 37 New
        -4
        Quote: carstorm 11
        And what about the economy of the Republic of Belarus, relying on the public sector, breaks all the growth records?)

        and at whose expense?
    4. Olezhek
      16 June 2020 08: 45 New
      +4
      What is stopping Putin from holding the country like Lukashenko, having enlarged the state sector of the economy, what can’t say to the Russian oligarch brothers?


      Thank God Putin came to power not from the collective farm yes
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 16 June 2020 10: 08 New
        0
        And from the KGB ... but what difference does it make who and
        where did you come from?
        ,, ... we will all lie in the ground, everything will be ... "/ M.Gorky /
        For the author, since we are talking about the public opinion of Russians and Belarusians in the light of recent events:
        Who was interested in your opinion on May 9?
        Who cares about your opinion on the Constitution?
        -What do we all have to do with the Victory Parade?
        Well, the author, and the last question for you personally, but how did you take into account the opinion of the Russians in relation to the mausoleum ???
        Believe me, this is how the opinion develops (just I don’t need to push behind Luke and Great Pu, they are not interesting to me in principle, at all !!!).
    5. Olezhek
      16 June 2020 09: 29 New
      0
      Russia or Russian oligarchs are not identical concepts. How can essentially Russian Lukashenko not love Russia?


      He himself is surprised ... belay

      How many humanitarian convoys did he send to Donetsk and Lugansk?
      1. CSKA
        CSKA 16 June 2020 10: 43 New
        -2
        Quote: Olezhek
        How many humanitarian convoys did he send to Donetsk and Lugansk?

        And he’s probably going to everything and not going to. So he loves brotherly, in his words, the people of Ukraine. And he loves Russia so much that his appetites are growing, and the union state has never been so.
      2. Per se.
        Per se. 16 June 2020 10: 55 New
        +3
        Quote: Olezhek
        How many humanitarian convoys did he send to Donetsk and Lugansk?
        It was not Lukashenka who said “let them just try”, before the Bandera government was legalized and Russians began to be killed in Donbass.
        No humanitarian convoys would have been required, it was enough not to recognize the legitimacy of the Bandera elections, having a legitimate Yanukovych and Azarov, and, following Crimea, recognizing referendums in Donbass. And this horror story - "Putin, bring in the troops!" it would also have become irrelevant, although the right to send troops was delegated, and it would be completely legal, especially since the entire southeast of Ukraine was giving signals, waiting for help from Russia.
        1. Olezhek
          16 June 2020 13: 30 New
          -2
          How many humanitarian convoys did he send to Donetsk and Lugansk?
          It was not Lukashenka who said “let them just try”, before the Bandera government was legalized and Russians began to be killed in Donbass.



          That is, how be Lukashenko - a great leader, honest man and friend of Russia? belay
    6. major147
      major147 16 June 2020 09: 47 New
      -1
      Quote: Per se.
      Russian oligarchs,

      At least a couple call ...
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 16 June 2020 10: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: major147
        At least a couple call ...
        "A couple", but what's really trivial, it's no secret ...

        1. Vladimir Potanin
        Vladimir Potanin owns almost 35% of the shares of Norilsk Nickel. This company is one of the world's largest producers of refined nickel and palladium. Potanin's fortune for 2020 is estimated at $ 19 million.
        2. Vladimir Lisin
        Vladimir Lisin owns 84% ​​of NLMK's shares, as well as 100% of the Universal Cargo Logistics transport holding. The state of Vladimir Lisin for 2020 is estimated at $ 18 million.
        3. Leonid Michelson
        According to Forbes, Leonid Mikhelson owns 24% of NOVATEK's shares and 48,48% of Sibur's shares. Michelson's fortune for 2020 is estimated at $ 17 million.
        4. Alexey Mordashov
        Alexey Mordashov ranks fourth in the ranking with a fortune of $ 16 million. According to Forbes, he owns 800% of Severstal shares, 76,4% of TUI shares, 25% of Lenta shares, as well as Nordgold and Power Machines.
        5. Vagit Alekperov
        Vagit Alekperov closes the top five with a fortune of $ 15 200 million. He owns 28% of the shares of LUKOIL Oil Company.
        6. Gennady Timchenko
        In sixth place was Gennady Timchenko: his fortune for 2020 is estimated at $ 14 million. According to Forbes, he owns almost 400% of NOVATEK's shares, 24% of Sibur's shares, a stake in Stroytransneftegaz, 17% of Stroytransgaz's shares and 80% of Transoil's shares.
        7. Alisher Usmanov
        Alisher Usmanov is in seventh place with a fortune of $ 13 million. Usmanov is the main shareholder of USM Holdings, which includes Metalloinvest, Baikal Mining Company, MegaFon - he owns 400% of the shares, as well as a shareholder in Kommersant Publishing House.
        8. Mikhail Fridman
        Mikhail Fridman ranks eighth in the ranking, his fortune is estimated at $ 13 million. Friedman is the main owner of the LetterOne Holdings group, which includes L000, the German oil and gas company Wintershall DEA, VEON, Turkcell. In addition, he owns the assets of the Alfa Group consortium.
        8. Mikhail Fridman
        Mikhail Fridman ranks eighth in the ranking, his fortune is estimated at $ 13 million. Friedman is the main owner of the LetterOne Holdings group, which includes L000, the German oil and gas company Wintershall DEA, VEON, Turkcell. In addition, he owns the assets of the Alfa Group consortium.
        10. Roman Abramovich
        Roman Abramovich closes the top ten. As of 2020, his fortune is estimated at $ 11 million. According to Forbes, Abramovich owns a 300% stake in Evraz, as well as ports and real estate. Since 28,8, Roman Abramovich owns the English football club Chelsea.
        1. major147
          major147 16 June 2020 19: 21 New
          -2
          Quote: Per se.
          A couple ", but what can we say on trifles, it's no secret ...

          None of those listed by you is an oligarch. It's just "well, very rich people", nothing more. I think there is no need to poke a finger into the recent past of Russia and show the oligarchs.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 16 June 2020 22: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: major147
            None of the above are oligarchs.

            Yes, yes, Mr. Peskov said that there are no oligarchs in Russia ... Nevertheless, "An oligarch is a representative of an oligarchy (" the power of the few "), that is, a person in whose hands most of the state's capital is concentrated," and Is it not in the hands of those who are "well, very rich people" that part of the capital of the entire country is not concentrated, in the property that they began to own, and which was previously state, belonged to the entire people? Finally, whatever you call them, this does not change the essence, in the hands of a minority (again, these "well, very rich") a large part of the Russian economy is concentrated, and it is not the majority of our population that determines the vector of development, directly affects our power.
    7. EvilLion
      EvilLion 16 June 2020 09: 50 New
      +2
      Putin does not interfere; he has already done all this for a long time. All who remain are now paid non-financial taxes for the opportunity to earn money. It’s time to get out of the coma already. Well, it’s ridiculous to make claims to capitalism, being, in fact, in feudalism under the Grand Duke Rygorich.

      The economy is compatible in the form of technological chains. Was compatible. Now excuse me, but when I see MAZ on the roads of the country, I think that "this one got here". At the same time, Ishchenko recently had a very good article on this topic, with the rather obvious thought that if you are offered to take part in something profitable, then firstly, you will have the rights in proportion to the share of participation, secondly, you will have to negotiate hard , since we are talking about a section of quite real benefits obtained as a result of a joint event. Now, if they are not going to give you anything, then they can promise at least a billion, at least 1. This will be the same "Polubotka gold". But for some reason, the non-brothers always worked out so that, firstly, they demand disproportionately to their share (the same MAZ and KAMAZ could not unite, since MAZ had 2 thousand production, KAMAZ 10 then, sorry, but here only one option is possible, the weakest, does what he is told), secondly, everything is not enough for them, because Europe, which did not give a damn thing, promised more.
      1. Olezhek
        16 June 2020 13: 29 New
        0
        what if you are offered take part in something profitablem, then one, you will have rights in proportion to the interest, secondly, it will have to be tough to negotiate, since we are also talking about the division of quite real benefits received as a result of a joint event. Now, if they are not going to give you anything, they can promise at least a billion, at least 2. This will be the same "Polubotka gold"



        Short and clear
    8. CSKA
      CSKA 16 June 2020 10: 36 New
      -2
      Quote: Per se.
      what will happen to their economy if it falls into the hands of our newly-minted "nobles", "effective managers".

      What are you? And what will happen? Let me tell you the genius of economics. Large enterprises of the Republic of Belarus will be included in the state corporations of the Russian Federation and will receive orders and begin to bring more net profit. And why did you get the idea that the oligarchs of Belarus will take something?
      Quote: Per se.
      increasing the public sector

      And we have it small?))))) And why did you get the idea that it should be increased?
      Quote: Per se.
      Well, then the economies of Belarus and Russia would be compatible

      They are already compatible.
      Quote: Per se.
      and nothing would stop us from really becoming one country after unification

      And now, in fact, nothing prevents except the elite of the Republic of Belarus.
      Quote: Per se.
      and one so far divided country, divided precisely because of the history of capitalism selected in Russia from the dump.

      You carry such a blizzard that a sane person will not wander into the head. Is this in Belarus there is no capitalism?))))) Capitalism is in the dustbin of history.)))) Wake up. He is in almost all countries of the world. But do not tell where they built communism?)))))
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 16 June 2020 10: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: CSKA
        You carry such a blizzard that a sane person will not wander into the head.
        I’ll tell you, as a genius and just a sane person, your opinion, this is your opinion, no more and no less. I expressed my, all the best.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 16 June 2020 14: 42 New
          -5
          Quote: Per se.
          I expressed my, all the best.

          it would not be bad to justify your opinion ... otherwise grandmas in the bazaar say different things ....
        2. CSKA
          CSKA 16 June 2020 14: 44 New
          -4
          Quote: Per se.
          I expressed my, all the best.

          Well, as I thought, there is nothing to answer.
    9. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 June 2020 11: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Per se.
      What is stopping Putin from holding the country like Lukashenko, having enlarged the state sector of the economy, what not to say to the Russian brother-oligarchs - a suitcase, a train station, London (otherwise on a bunk, with their criminal dossier)?

      The absence of a sponsor who would invest in the Russian economy the same (percentage) amounts that the Russian Federation pours into the economy of Belarus. smile
      It's funny that all the rejection of "Russian oligarchic capitalism" does not prevent the leadership of the Republic of Belarus from regularly demanding and receiving loans, discounts and preferences from Russia.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 16 June 2020 13: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        The absence of a sponsor who would invest in the Russian economy the same (percentage) amounts that the Russian Federation pours into the economy of Belarus.
        Hats off, Alexey! Here, only we have had such a "sponsor" for a long time, or rather, an anti-sponsor, this is the Fed. Belarus "ruins" us, and the oligarchs, the guardian fathers of the Russian people, they would have made Belarus happy, but Lukashenka spoils everything, radish. Actually, it's a funny situation if ...

        1) The Central Bank is not aimed at the Russian sector of the economy, it is forbidden to engage in it. Of course, the Russian economy in this situation swims into the hands of those who are willing to lend it - foreign banks. True, under the condition of subordination of the borrower to the bank.
        2) The Central Bank squeezes the Russian beneficiary (beneficiary).
        3) The government cannot dispose of any gold reserves or any other assets of the Central Bank of Russia. By law, the Central Bank does not even have the right to lend to the government, which is the most ridiculous and tragic.
        4) In essence, the Central Bank is just a printing house for changing the appearance of the dollar and the euro, thereby making the financial system of Russia dependent on the international financial system with a core management in the US Federal Reserve.
        5) The Central Bank through its purchases of US government bonds strengthens the American economy.
        Created in Russia, on the initiative of the US Federal Reserve and with the support of a team of foreign advisers, the Central Bank today has become, in essence, a branch of the American money machine. Why affiliate? Yes, because the Central Bank is responsible for placing all proceeds for the sale of Russian hydrocarbons on world sites in US bonds. It is in the American “treasuries” that the entire Stabilization Fund of the Russian Federation is stored, and in nothing else!

        If you believe the data, then Russia is actually pouring one billion dollars a day into the United States.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 16 June 2020 22: 20 New
          0
          The Central Bank has long been not buying up bonds in the states. With 100 yards with a tail 6 pounds back, there are three left now. The text is of course beautiful only all lies.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 16 June 2020 06: 51 New
    +1
    And the funniest thing is that this very public opinion quite “presses” the politicians.

    Frankly, this public opinion has quite a few well-known conductors !!!
    And the conductors are hired figures ... with all the ensuing or flowing in!
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 16 June 2020 07: 44 New
      0
      I forgot to add that there are also accountants there, who, if necessary, will correct the digital, as necessary!
  • vvvjak
    vvvjak 16 June 2020 07: 09 New
    +5
    I wonder where the author saw Russophobia in the Belarusian society? Even among the pro-Western-minded representatives, one can only hear about "evil Russian oligarchs", but not about the people of the Russian Federation.
    1. Olezhek
      16 June 2020 08: 52 New
      0
      I wonder where the author saw Russophobia in the Belarusian society? Even among the pro-Western-minded representatives, one can only hear about "evil Russian oligarchs", but not about the people of the Russian Federation.


      "Help the Belarusian soldier"



      Belarusians will again collect help to fighters of anti-terrorist operation
      19.01.2016/15/21 1870:XNUMX COMMENTS FOR RECORDING BELARUSIANS AGAIN WILL ASSEMBLE HELP TO THE ATO Fighters DISCONNECTED PROS: XNUMX
      Belarusian volunteers fighting against Russian aggression in Ukraine, the next batch of gratuitous aid will be sent. It will be collected as part of the action "Help the Belarusian soldier" on Sunday, January 24, from 13:30 to 15:30 in the BPF party manor at 3-39 Chernyshevsky str., Minsk, the press service of the youth organization "Young Front" reports.


      crying Brothers .... such brothers
      1. vvvjak
        vvvjak 16 June 2020 09: 17 New
        +6
        So what? Do you think that on the basis of this it is possible to draw a conclusion about the massive spread of Russophobia in the Republic of Belarus? Well, then, according to the speech of "Kolya from Urengoy" in the Bundestag, one can conclude that the trend of justifying the actions of fascism in Russian society is spreading.
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      3. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 16 June 2020 15: 26 New
        +4
        If Olezhek was Navalny, then for this little article on VO he would have already had the ARTICLE of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation for inciting ethnic hatred ...
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 16 June 2020 07: 11 New
    +1
    Since the article is anti-Belarusian. During the two years of the reign, the current government quarreled with whoever it could. In Russia, as always, power has nothing to do with it. This is all "evil" Lukashenka does not appreciate taking care of him. Only something I did not notice that the Kremlin cares about the inhabitants of Russia. Why would they care about the inhabitants of Belarus.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 16 June 2020 09: 52 New
      -2
      It was necessary not to take the same Crimea, then it would have been no quarrel. They would stroke the head.

      Well, if you have not noticed an increase in living standards in Russia since 2000. Well, it happens when you live in the same Kievisho and you remember Russia on a random trip in the 95th. Sorry.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 16 June 2020 13: 15 New
        +1
        do not take Crimea
        Well then Donbass did not take? And Kharkov was all ready to go to Russia.
        About the increase in the level of life is enchanting. Are you in different departments or what? One manual change, and the other as out of a time machine.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 16 June 2020 22: 22 New
          -3
          And who was going to take them? Offered or requested? At least one? once it was
    2. CSKA
      CSKA 16 June 2020 10: 52 New
      -1
      Quote: Gardamir
      During the biennium of the reign, the current government quarreled with anyone they could.

      Well, of course. All are good, but we are bad. I suppose you really regret that relations with the USA and some EU countries are bad. So maybe you want to give Crimea to improve?
      Quote: Gardamir
      This is all "evil" Lukashenka does not appreciate taking care of him.

      And he really appreciates. When we contain his economy and budget, he immediately appreciates and speaks about fraternal peoples.
      Quote: Gardamir
      Just something, I did not notice that the Kremlin cared for the inhabitants of Russia.

      Blind and clear. If you have not noticed an increase in living standards over the past 20 years, then you are either a blind man or a fool.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 16 June 2020 13: 22 New
        +2
        All are good, but we are bad
        I do not value anyone. Only the Kremlin, to raise itself with others, is pouring sewage.
        When we keep its economy and budget
        So you contain Belarus. but about us the inhabitants of Russia when you remember?
        About the growth of living standards is something. Then explain how so in my hometown in 2000 there were almost 22 thousand inhabitants, and in 2018 there are less than 16 thousand?
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 18 June 2020 11: 58 New
          -2
          Quote: Gardamir
          Only the Kremlin, to raise itself with others, is pouring sewage.

          Give an example.
          Quote: Gardamir
          So you contain Belarus.

          We do not contain, but we give opportunities to earn good money.
          Quote: Gardamir
          About the growth of living standards is something. Then explain how so in my hometown in 2000 there were almost 22 thousand inhabitants, and in 2018 there are less than 16 thousand?

          )))) Smiled. That is, in your opinion, if people leave large cities and villages for large ones, is this a fall in the standard of living? For your information, this trend is in many economically developed countries. A bunch of examples. Urbanization is called.
          An indicator of the standard of living is completely different. Given that you are also far from economics like I am from ballet, then just remember the end of the 90s and the beginning of the 00s, when people waited for months for a salary, it was generally beyond the majority to buy an apartment or a car. And look now. All yards are full of cars, people without problems in a mortgage (like in the whole world) buy apartments and go abroad to rest. This is so in your accessible language.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 18 June 2020 16: 12 New
            0
            And this is your language:
            According to the Russian holding company Romir (2016), over the past two years, the number of the poorest members of society has doubled. Already 84 percent of citizens save on food today. In 2015, there were only 8% of them. Forty-five percent had to limit their intake of chocolate, fruit juices, fresh fruits and vegetables. Sixty-two percent of Russians stopped buying new clothes. Forty-six percent have never been to a restaurant. In 2015, 33% of the population - which is 5% more than in 2014 - could not afford a vacation.
            Now is 2020 and everything is probably even worse, since in addition pensions were also taken away.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 16 June 2020 07: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Per se.
    Lukashenko, naturally, is spinning ... What remains for him to keep Belarus alive, and when you love Russia.

    It’s rather not spinning, but spinning, because the relationship spinner is glass and breaks easily. Especially a man who has never inherited with his simple language.
  • Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 16 June 2020 07: 27 New
    -4
    Another article of the "Kremlin gebals"
  • parusnik
    parusnik 16 June 2020 07: 45 New
    +8
    To keep power, it is necessary to plant phobias .... Some kind of "enemy" must always be at hand, especially on the territory of the former USSR.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 18 June 2020 16: 14 New
      0
      Ukrainians have already been made enemies, now they have taken up the Belarusians.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 16 June 2020 07: 49 New
    +6
    The trouble is different, the trouble is that in Russia no one seriously tried to create such a “bright image” of Belarus.

    What for? No need to seem, need to be. Two fraternal countries with the fraternal peoples that are neighbors are tied to each other economically and culturally like no one else.
    What other images are needed?
    1. Olezhek
      16 June 2020 09: 04 New
      +4
      What for? No need to seem, need to be. The two fraternal countries with the fraternal peoples that are neighbors are economically tied to each other


      “Help the Belarusian soldier”

      The leader of the Young Front nationalist organization Dmitry Dashkevich announced his intention to hold a charity event “Help the Belarusian Soldier” on his Facebook account: “A few months ago I announced an initiative to raise funds for Belarusians who sacrifice their lives in Ukraine.



      Under the slogans “Without a free Ukraine, there will be no free Belarus!” volunteers poured into Ukraine, actively supported by the intelligentsia of the republic. The story of Brest citizen Ales Cherkashin, who went to Ukraine in 2015, where under the call sign “Taras” became a chaplain of Belarusian fighters fighting on the side of the Ukrainian security forces, can be considered indicative.
      On August 10, he was seriously injured and died a few weeks later in a hospital.


      At the same time, as far as one can judge by social networks, the authority of youth military-patriotic organizations in Belarus is growing exponentially. Only in recent years, various "detachments", societies and movements appeared in the republic, which announced the need to protect Belarusians from Russian influence. Last year, the Belarusian volunteer detachment “Pursuit” appeared, which first raised funds for local nationalists fighting in the Donbass, and then completely organized the sending of young people to the southeast of Ukraine. One of the slogans of the detachment was a call to “Belarusian patriots”: “to join the defense of the Ukrainian land”
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 16 June 2020 10: 36 New
        +4
        The vector of application of their forces and aspirations among modern youth is shifting to where there is a need for it. Emptiness, instead of great ideas and aspirations. The necessary and important is not promoted. But the emptiness is being replaced with forged slogans and corrupting chimeras like "the struggle for freedom and democracy." Young people are thrown to the mercy, and our eternal enemies take advantage of this, and very skillfully use it. And they have almost reached their main goal - the Slavic brothers themselves go to kill each other. Hitler could not have dreamed of this. And overseas it turns out. All this is terrible, you have to do something. This is what Putin and Lukashenka should talk about, not grit their teeth over energy prices and contracts.
      2. DVR
        DVR 16 June 2020 11: 33 New
        +1
        “Help the Belarusian soldier”

        And what do you think the Russians are not in the service of ukronatsikov?

        This does not mean that Russia or Russian society supports them.
        At the same time, as far as one can judge from social networks, the authority of youth military-patriotic organizations in Belarus is growing exponentially.

        Judging, for example, by the comments on VO, then our state is degrading exponentially, even worse than in the 90s, nothing is being done and nothing is being built at all, everyone hates the authorities and Putin personally, everything that is done, everything is worst, etc. But in reality you look, the opposite is true. In fact, the overwhelming majority of residents now live as they could not have dreamed of under the USSR. I have almost no acquaintances, and I am an ordinary average resident who does not have an apartment and a car, with the exception of internally displaced persons from Donbass. Only few people will write about this here. Units whose comments sound like a voice crying in the wilderness. The occupation of information resources by bot farms has not been canceled, and many resources at the moment, including VO, are tightly occupied.
  • Tatyana Sementsova
    Tatyana Sementsova 16 June 2020 07: 54 New
    +4
    Let's not swear !!!! This is someone's hand !!!!!
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 16 June 2020 07: 56 New
    +6
    I read the article. The last paragraphs are hard, painfully extensive. What can I say. I do not agree that there is some common public opinion in the Russian Federation. It is different for different segments of the population. People who have had a good life for themselves have a pro-Western opinion. Even Solovyov's. Sly guy. He managed to adapt the TV in such a way that so much dripped from the TV into his "refrigerator" that he was able to buy a villa in Italy. He also brags about getting a lot. If I were a patriot, I would build myself a dacha, say, in Zhiguli, the places are also fabulously beautiful. Debate aunts - presenters on TV only wonder when and when their favorite Schengen will open for them. For these people, Belarus is nothing more than a convenient window through which they can quickly slip through. Ordinary people, on their own, form their opinion about Belarus after purchasing Belarusian goods. Let's say the cheese is good, well done Belarusians. Recently I had to urgently buy a washing machine. We advised "Atlant". I got a good specimen - well done Belarusians. But their shoes are bad and their clothes are expensive. does not justify the price. In a word, while we are trading with Belarus, the attitude of the common people will depend on the quality and price of goods. Let's omit the conversations of men over a glass. For three years now, we have had the habit of being indecent at least in some way to respond well to life in Russia, hence the statements that they have lost their last ally. But that's nothing, these are just words.
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 16 June 2020 09: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      In a word, while we trade with Belarus, the attitude of the common people will depend on the quality and price of goods.

      The Baltic states have good milk. All friends are friends. And the Japanese make good cars. Maybe give them the Kuril Islands? In a sign of friendship. And in Turkey, tomatoes are good. Friends too? And in America, jeans are not bad. Friends again?
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 16 June 2020 10: 12 New
        +7
        Alexander. Keyword. “Among the common people.” Frankly speaking. What, if you happen to come across Baltic sprats, refuse to buy them? A Kazakh store was opened in our town, where they sold sanctioned products. And nothing - people bought. And you would also have a choice of which car to buy a Lada or a Volkswagen. Your choice? But about Turkish tomatoes - you shouldn't be. Turkish tomatoes are rubbish. As for the Kuriles and others, even in the new constitution, which is not presented as a ban on rejection, there is a proviso that delimitation can be carried out, but rejection in no way. But delimitation is precisely the establishment of a border through negotiations. So they will tell you "the commander said the gopher, so the gopher! And no ferrets."
        1. Winnie76
          Winnie76 17 June 2020 09: 52 New
          -1
          I don’t catch the connection at all. Value for money and friendship between nations. About Lada / Volkswagen - I go to Lada
          1. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 18 June 2020 06: 51 New
            +1
            Alexander! In order to embroil the peoples, they carry out an unbridled propaganda campaign. But this is not enough. If you remember, the new Ukrainian authorities fiercely opposed Russian goods on the Ukrainian market. It would seem how can chocolate "Alyonka" harm? However, they eradicated them in the bud. Putin, no matter how you treat him, cannot be denied pragmatism. The Ukrainian authorities boorishly drove out the last remnants of the Russian world Gazprom and Sberbank. I remember how Putin tried to persuade Miller and Gref to be patient. Although at first glance it seemed humiliating. Another thing was an attempt with insufficient funds. I believe that as long as our town is full of Belarusian shops, it is not worth worrying that our peoples will become enemies, no matter how malicious the politicians are.
        2. Olezhek
          18 June 2020 09: 32 New
          -2
          Alexander. Keyword. “Among the common people.” Frankly speaking. What, if you happen to come across Baltic sprats, refuse to buy them?


          If the stock, then yes:



          The shooting has passed - the Nazis drink coffee.
          I shake the crumbs out of the bag
          Lunch isn’t coming soon,
          And then the guts "play the accordion"
          And the wind blows, casting a dream
          Tired of scary: three attacks per day ...
          Suddenly we hear: the Nazis have a gramophone
          (Cultural fun, dogs ...)
          Floating leading edge "Vienna Waltz"
          It is brought to us by the cold wind,
          And a voice in the megaphone: "Rus Ivan, give up!
          You will taste chocolate, und schnapps, und cigarette "
    2. Olezhek
      16 June 2020 09: 25 New
      -2
      I disagree that there is some unified public opinion in the Russian Federation. It is different for different segments of the population. For people whose life is completely successful, their opinions are just pro-Western.


      You know, I wouldn’t smear everyone with one paint

      Did you succeed - are these oligarchs (which, according to Peskov, aren’t) or just rich people?

      For people whose life is completely successful, their opinions are just pro-Western. Even Solovyov’s. Cunning man


      And he has your opinion?
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 16 June 2020 10: 19 New
        +3
        Olezhek! I don’t know what the difference is between simply rich and “heavily rich” - both of them do not care about Belarus. But it turns out that it is more profitable to keep money abroad, even if for a while, even if in fact it is not indisputable. Will they be kept abroad? And there is no need to include a conversation about what should be done so that it would be more profitable for everyone to keep capital with us. You can't please everyone, because everyone is different. Solovyov is a professional propagandist. If they give him more, he will drown for the one who gave more. Is it really unclear? But xtry imuzhik!
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 07: 57 New
    0
    Interesting article, but here it is
    quite myself

    lubricates the impression, as it repeats as much as six times! Straight perseveration. In place of the author, I would be more attentive.
  • Tatyana Sementsova
    Tatyana Sementsova 16 June 2020 08: 03 New
    +7
    Bright image? laughing
    Why create it artificially? He is either there or not. All communication between leaders of states comes down to the constant extraction of money and attempts to bargain for something cheaper anyway ..... Hence the whole image .......... But before the west we paint our lips ...... .. We create an image ....... request
    1. Olezhek
      16 June 2020 09: 22 New
      0
      Bright image?


      Why create it artificially? He is either there or not


      Lock up a PR specialist (political strategist) in a windowless room and explain your idea to him.
      You will be shocked by the reaction. am (put on a bulletproof vest and a helmet)

      You can just go to a specialized forum (damn them) and start scaring a note with your spontaneity.
  • Docx2032
    Docx2032 16 June 2020 08: 10 New
    +2
    I have not read the article, however, I note that we are really different. We have freedom in Belarus, there is no quarantine and forced wearing of muzzles. Already, charters flew on vacation to Albania, and two weeks later to Egypt and Turkey. Why live without borders is unclear. God forbid even Ukrainians for example.
    1. Tatyana Sementsova
      Tatyana Sementsova 16 June 2020 10: 51 New
      +5
      I fully agree with you !!!! Borders are needed! Especially if the controls are different! Someone flies abroad in the midst of the caronovirus, collects the infection, then claims that a glass of moonshine and working on a tractor are the best medicine, and absolutely freely wants to deliver it anywhere, including to neighbors. Someone cares about their people, makes them wear muzzles, take tests, tries to support them financially during quarantine and speaks openly about the number of sick, dead, and recovered people. Borders are needed! Each has its own policy, its own vision of the problem, and its own solution to the issue. So I think you are completely right.
  • Docx2032
    Docx2032 16 June 2020 08: 16 New
    +5
    Maybe you should think about the causes of centripetal and centrifugal trends. Under socialism, Moscow was the center of attraction for half the planet, and under capitalism, on the contrary, everyone distances itself from it. It's not just like that ...
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 08: 44 New
      +2
      Maybe you should think about the causes of centripetal and centrifugal trends. Under socialism, Moscow was the center of attraction for half the planet, and under capitalism, on the contrary, everyone distances itself from it. It's not just like that ...

      So think about it.
      When the Union was tough - it’s a pity that it wasn’t cruel — control, and any separatist creeps were stopped in the bud, the KGB did not doze off.
      But in the late eighties, the Union ran out of resources. Consequently, the ability to maintain control has been critically reduced. Local kings with the Napoleon complex were immediately activated.
      And now, everywhere and everywhere, freedom and independence, which the former union republics are so proud of. Because they have nothing more to brag about.
      1. Olezhek
        16 June 2020 09: 27 New
        -2
        When the Union was tough - it’s a pity that it wasn’t cruel — control, and any separatist creeps were stopped in the bud, the KGB did not doze off.
        But in the late eighties, the Union ran out of resources.


        Are you sure? Absolutely?
        Is that how it ended?
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 June 2020 09: 28 New
          -1
          Is that how it ended?

          You're right. It would be more correct to write "by the end of the eighties". But this does not change the essence.
    2. DVR
      DVR 16 June 2020 11: 47 New
      +1
      Maybe you should think about the causes of centripetal and centrifugal trends. Under socialism, Moscow was the center of attraction of half the planet

      Is this a joke? Under socialism, as a result of "centrifugal tendencies" that resulted in a bloody carnage on the periphery, the USSR lost colossal territories and a huge part of the population, turning into the Russian Federation. Lost and a huge socialist camp. These were the centrifugal tendencies.
  • Doctor
    Doctor 16 June 2020 08: 18 New
    -2
    Another anti-Belarusian article. Right on schedule.

    All trouble is that: in Russia, strangely enough as it seems to anyone, there is quite an acting political system. And public opinion is even present, and people are actively discussing various acute political problems. And the funniest thing is that this very public opinion quite “presses” the politicians.

    Yeah, it completely crushed the main politicians.

    The trouble is different, the trouble is that nobody in Russia seriously tried to create such a “bright image” of Belarus. For some reason, it was deemed unnecessary to do so.

    No need. The majority of the population of Russia already considers Belarus a fraternal republic and respects its leader.

    For some reason, a clear and stable idea has formed in Belarus that all political decisions / discussions in Russia go exclusively through the Kremlin. No other way.

    And really, why? wink

    Anti-Belarusian sentiments are growing in Russia. But how else to explain that 78% of Russians want to return the visa regime with their neighbors, according to a survey conducted by VTsIOM?

    The All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion, VTsIOM (until 1992 - the All-Union) is the oldest Russian research organization that regularly conducts sociological and marketing research based on opinion polls.
    100% of the company's shares are owned by the state.

    Once again: there is no one correct look at the reality surrounding us - this is just an annoying propaganda illusion.

    That's for sure.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 16 June 2020 09: 53 New
      -2
      Who respects Rygorych in Russia? Who is this? Pensioners who do not watch the news? Yes, even this circus already got them.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 16 June 2020 10: 04 New
        +2
        Who respects Rygorych in Russia? Who is this? Pensioners who do not watch the news? Yes, even this circus already got them.


        Just type "Russians' attitude towards Lukashenka poll".
        1. Olezhek
          16 June 2020 11: 11 New
          -2
          Just type "Russians' attitude towards Lukashenka poll".


          Just follow which foreign commentators are actively using abusive nicknames by Russian commentators.
          And even Zelensky - just Zelensky
          And Merkel is Merkel
          And Macron is Macron
          And Erdogan - Erdogan

          Exception - Lukashenko
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 16 June 2020 11: 26 New
            0
            Russian commentators use abusive nicknames

            "Commentators" yes.
            And among the people he’s the Old Man.
  • Octopus
    Octopus 16 June 2020 08: 31 New
    +2
    What a nice article.

    The author is largely right and largely wrong.

    Naturally, Lukashenko and others are absolutely right that the so-called public opinion in Russia does not matter. Talking about working with Russian public opinion is just as crazy as talking about working with, say, Chechen public opinion. There is Ramzan / GDP and you need to solve it.

    At the same time, one cannot disagree with the author. People who believe that the Russian public is a priori more pro-European than the country's leadership make the same mistake as the Reich or the Red Army in the 40s. That, they say, the people on the first whistle will rise and throw off the Bolshevik / bourgeois yoke.

    The decade of freedom of the Russian people ended in the presidential election between the two GBists and the film Brother-2. Moreover, the second is perhaps more important than the first.

    Talking that Russia without Putin will be different from Russia with Putin for the better is empty fantasies.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 16 June 2020 09: 59 New
      -2
      Considering the number of improvements in Russia since 2000, including for the convenience of the people, it's not even funny. Although in Russia it is possible to come up with a public initiative, it will be satisfied, but it will go unnoticed, or the point is when you can ride and burn tires. There is no result, but the "riot" itself is in plain sight.

      Have ramzan


      Seriously??? Do you even have any idea of ​​the tribal mentality? Its key feature is that, in principle, nothing can be solved with one person there. There will always be a bunch of those who send your contract, because this person is nobody for them. Like or dislike Kadyrov, but he sits while he is being supported in large numbers, not only the Kremlin, but also those who remember how things lived according to Sharia. They will not support, well, so at one time his father was blown up.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 16 June 2020 11: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: EvilLion
        number of improvements in Russia since 2000

        Yes iPhone.
        Quote: EvilLion
        an idea of ​​tribal mentality? Its key feature is that, in principle, nothing can be solved with one person there.

        What you describe has nothing to do with PR and public opinion.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 16 June 2020 11: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: EvilLion
        Seriously??? Do you even have any idea of ​​the tribal mentality? Its key feature is that, in principle, nothing can be solved with one person there. There will always be a bunch of those who send your contract, because this person is nobody for them.

        There is such a thing. Only now Ramzan cleared this freeman quite strongly. Remember the Yamadayev clan? Everything began in a standard way - field commanders and regional leaders (Gudermes) during Maskhadov's time, the conflict with Maskhadov, the surrender of Gudermes to the federals and the transition to the side of Moscow ("legal bandit formation" smile ), then integration into army structures, the "Vostok" battalion, the title of Heroes of the Russian Federation. The spiral of history took its turn - and the Yamadayevs again began their usual conflict with the government of Chechnya. But with Ramzan everything ended differently - the shooting of the Yamadayevs' top and the disbandment of "Vostok".
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 16 June 2020 16: 16 New
          +1
          Of particular interest is that one Yamadayev was two hundred in the center of Moscow in the company, EMNIP, Colonel General of the General Staff. Another brother was found abroad. Let me remind you that both cases are associated with the conflicts of the deceased with one of the heads of the subject of the federation.

          And they say that under Putin, the regional authorities in our country have lost influence!
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 16 June 2020 17: 31 New
            -1
            Quote: Octopus
            Of particular interest is that one Yamadayev was two hundred in the center of Moscow in the company, EMNIP, Colonel General of the General Staff. Another brother was found abroad.

            I did not begin to write that the long hands of official Grozny reached right up to Dubai.
            Quote: Octopus
            And they say that under Putin, the regional authorities in our country have lost influence!

    2. Olezhek
      16 June 2020 14: 18 New
      0
      Naturally, Lukashenko and others are absolutely right that the so-called public opinion in Russia does not matter. Talking about working with Russian public opinion is just as crazy


      Everything is fine in your comment. Everything.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 16 June 2020 15: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Olezhek
        Everything is fine in your comment. Everything.


        I try, thanks.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 16 June 2020 08: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: Pessimist22
    The article says that more than half of Russians want to introduce a visa regime and do not want to sell oil and gas below market value.

    On the fence, they write a lot of things, and what - to believe each inscription? Here the author of the article is trying to give his article a certain image of objectivity in relation to bilateral relations, however, between the lines there is another, one-sided position, they say, Belarus is to blame for the fact that Russians “do not like” it. Where did the author get this information? Was there some kind of public opinion poll, some kind of research on this issue? Why not say that the leadership of the Russian Federation has been "twisting its hands" for many years and constantly blackmailing Belarus with the help of energy resources, and only because Lukashenko does not give the opportunity to "enter" the oligarchs who have eaten here in the Russian Federation on their territory, and privatize everything more or less "tasty" objects of the republic's economy, here in the Russian Federation they ate everything, but did not satisfy their appetite! Lukashenka knows very well the results of privatization in the Russian Federation - thousands of closed enterprises, and people thrown into the street! And the author here, with a pretense of objectivity, is trying to convince us of something that actually does not exist, or, more precisely, looks a little differently than he presents to us.
    P.S. The author speaks of Russophobia in Belarus, but does not say that Belarusophobia is deliberately incited in the Russian Federation! sad
    1. g_ae
      g_ae 16 June 2020 09: 38 New
      +5
      What's this! Here is the author a couple of years ago, on the basis of a crack on the bridge support on the Minsk ring road, a whole madrigal pile. Directly dazibao neither give nor take. He directly penetrated into the secret thoughts of our president and revealed the unimaginable vileness of life and the degradation of Belarusian reality. Burnt by the same verb. He did the investigation directly, pronounced the verdict and executed if he could. What an unsinkable human being. Though now for the Eurovision Song Contest.
      But here's the catch. On the Minsk ring car they drove as they drove. But if you type the word "bridgefall" in Google, you get very funny results. Try it for fun. And how epic the bridge opened 5 years ago by Tereshkova collapsed. And how the other day a bridge in the Murmansk region was washed away. And how a video about the construction of a high-tech bridge over the Volga from straw was walking on YouTube. But the aftyr does not see this. The fiery gaze is vigilantly directed to the west. The picture of an eagle that has gone off is straightforward and nothing more.
      1. g_ae
        g_ae 16 June 2020 10: 17 New
        +5
        By the way, but about the "high-tech" and "effective" accident in Norilsk, write the same madrigal? It is not from an unsuccessful fireworks to spray boiling water.
        1. ser56
          ser56 16 June 2020 12: 17 New
          -3
          Quote: g_ae
          By the way, about the "high-tech" and "effective" accident in Norilsk with

          and what’s wrong - permafrost warming ... it happens ... but we will remember the gloating ones .. hi as we remember the rest ...
          1. g_ae
            g_ae 16 June 2020 12: 49 New
            +2
            It seems like my last name is not Yegorov, so claims about gloating are not accepted. This is to aftyr.
          2. Kronos
            Kronos 16 June 2020 21: 34 New
            +1
            Not warming, but banal neglect of safety standards by Potanin
      2. ser56
        ser56 16 June 2020 12: 18 New
        -1
        Quote: g_ae
        But aftir does not see this

        we can remember how you built factories with China ... bully
        1. g_ae
          g_ae 16 June 2020 13: 09 New
          +3
          So you are also with China. There are Torahs, the Power of Siberia, etc. And how does China cut the Russian taiga for a penny? Already a fur coat is wrapped. Think about it better.
          1. ser56
            ser56 16 June 2020 20: 41 New
            -3
            Quote: g_ae
            Think about it better.

            Already reached the teachings? bully as there in the classics - ah, pug ...
            Quote: g_ae
            There are Torahs, the Power of Siberia, etc.

            you have an aberration of concepts - this is what we are building to export our products, and you have been turned into grandmothers and made bullshit ... hi
            1. g_ae
              g_ae 16 June 2020 22: 02 New
              +1
              How everything is up and running. Acute inflammation of greatness.
              1. ser56
                ser56 16 June 2020 22: 57 New
                -3
                Quote: g_ae
                How everything is up and running.

                don't even expect bully
                Quote: g_ae
                Acute inflammation of greatness.

                Not at all - confidence in strength and faith in your country! Envy You don’t have it, hence the complexes hi
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 16 June 2020 10: 10 New
      +2
      Lukashenko knows very well the results of privatization in the Russian Federation - thousands of closed enterprises, and people thrown into the street!


      But what now does the Republic of Belarus live worse than Russia? Maybe because in Russia conclusions were drawn, but in Belarus they simply continued to pretend that everything was as usual, although nobody except the USSR needed their entire industry for nothing, and what Rygorych would do now if enterprises with a sales market were finally closed in Russia? Well, yes, he will accuse Russia of not allowing itself to earn money.

      and constantly blackmails Belarus with energy


      Hey, when you come to the store for a bum, you don’t say that the store is blackmailing you? Or is the price there the same for everyone? For decades, we have been supplying energy carriers to Belarus at prices well below world prices. Everyone living in the Republic of Belarus, if he is to be billed for subsidies, will be obliged to work for Russia for several years for free. And now people like you, having put on an avatar with Stalin, declare that Russia is blackmailing these parasites. Yes, we do not care about them. They went to Europe, so let them go. Let energy carriers buy there and MAZs sell. The faster they dump, the better. Why should we subsidize their industry by feeding our competitor ??

      And so everything is wonderful, stealing an entire republic, tearing out with meat and everything that was in it, and then trying to somehow integrate it back, hysteria about the Russian oligarchs who want to steal something. Yes, you’re already blowing up nafig there and MAZ, and MZKT, and these oil refineries, which were fat on cheap Russian oil. And sit on your collective farms when the whole world has long passed on to huge agricultural holdings.
      1. ser56
        ser56 16 June 2020 12: 16 New
        0
        Quote: EvilLion
        enterprises with a sales market only in Russia will be closed

        and KAMAZ launched a dump truck in 60t request
        Quote: EvilLion
        They went to Europe, so let them go.

        but who needs them there - enough Bandera clean the needy ... request
    3. ser56
      ser56 16 June 2020 12: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      twists his arms "and constantly blackmails Belarus with the help of energy resources

      so buy for the full price - what's the problem? oilmen will lick you ... bully
      Quote: Radikal
      Lukashenko knows very well the results of privatization in the Russian Federation - thousands of closed enterprises, and people thrown into the street!

      however, there is another - the competitiveness of the Russian economy and without subsidies ... request
      and your plants will die out soon, because The main consumer of Russia ... hi
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 18 June 2020 16: 31 New
        0
        and your plants will die out soon

        And not the same thing you have been talking about Ukraine for 5 years, they say Ukraine will soon die, freeze, decay, etc. And so, Ukraine died? And what is surprising is that the economic growth rate of Ukraine is higher than the Russian ones (Internet to help). Now the same thing about Belarus. Maybe enough to delve into the dirty linen of neighbors, maybe it's time to rake your own?
  • Docx2032
    Docx2032 16 June 2020 08: 55 New
    +6
    Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
    Local kings with the Napoleon complex were immediately activated.
    And now, everywhere and everywhere, freedom and independence, which the former union republics are so proud of. Because they have nothing more to brag about.

    Let's start with the fact that it was the RSFSR that on June 12, 1990 was the FIRST to adopt a declaration of some kind of "independence" from the rest of the Union republics. This concludes. Enjoy your independence laughing
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 June 2020 11: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: DocX2032
      Let's start with the fact that it was the RSFSR that on June 12, 1990 was the FIRST to adopt a declaration of some kind of "independence" from the rest of the Union republics.

      Seriously? And how many times is the word "independence" used in the text of this declaration?
      You don't have to search - not once. Moreover, this document is even called differently - "Declaration of State Sovereignty of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic".
      About sovereignty. Not about independence.
      About the very sovereignty that was prescribed in the 1977 Constitution of the USSR:
      Article 76. Union Republic - sovereign soviet socialist state, which merged with other Soviet republics into the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 16 June 2020 12: 10 New
      +3
      Shame on you, Egorov is not a reader, he is a writer ...
    3. ser56
      ser56 16 June 2020 12: 13 New
      -3
      Quote: DocX2032
      about some "independence"

      read the text and find the word independence there bully
      Quote: DocX2032
      Rejoice at your independence

      so we rejoice, threw off the backbones, but alas, not to the end ... request
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 16 June 2020 17: 34 New
        0
        Quote: ser56
        read the text and find the word independence there

        Here's another, read the docs. So you can get to the reading of license agreements. smile
        1. ser56
          ser56 16 June 2020 20: 45 New
          -2
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Here's another, read the docs. That way you can even reach the reading of license agreements

          yes, you’re right that something brought me - to whom it was I with such a proposal ... fool
  • borys
    borys 16 June 2020 09: 25 New
    +2
    As usual, Mr. Yegorov-Lukashenko is a villain, everything in Belarus
    bad and wrong.
    1. g_ae
      g_ae 16 June 2020 10: 01 New
      +6
      Well, that's natural. It is not good to criticize Western "partners" - "friends" live there. Inside, Russian problems are stale. All that remains is bow fighting. It is both safe and very pleasant for pride.
      1. Olezhek
        16 June 2020 14: 16 New
        -3
        Well, that's natural. It is not good to criticize Western "partners" - "friends" live there


        And in Germany no one shouts that, they say, we are the last "sayuznik" of Russia ..
        1. g_ae
          g_ae 16 June 2020 14: 36 New
          +4
          But to write about internal Russian problems is still stingy.
          1. ser56
            ser56 16 June 2020 20: 47 New
            -2
            Quote: g_ae
            About intra-Russian problems, writing is still stingy.

            from what? you just have to write seriously - about the people in Russia about the topic ... they whine here - inflation - but it’s not noticeable in stores, at least in our city of Eburg ... request
            so your training manual is bad ... bully
            1. g_ae
              g_ae 16 June 2020 22: 03 New
              +2
              Is your surname Egorov? Or are you for him?
              1. ser56
                ser56 16 June 2020 23: 06 New
                -2
                Quote: g_ae
                Is your surname Egorov? Or are you for him?

                1) I am for myself! hi
                2) as I understand it, there are no other arguments? decided to run? bully
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 18 June 2020 16: 39 New
                  0
                  Well, thank you "benefactors", they explained to us unreasonable that all the problems in Russia are due to Belarusians and specifically because of one person - dad. And then we thought, why our prices in stores are growing, why travel is getting more expensive, why pensions have been taken away, but it turns out that everything is simple - the daddy outwitted us and robbed us.
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 16 June 2020 09: 29 New
    +6
    Russia must be done as the IMF, you want loans of assistance and friendly approvals .. Please. Look like in ruins, for a loan of 1 lard, adopt the law that land can only be sold to Russians, in all the supervisory boards half of the composition should be Russians, after half a year should privatize 2 large state-owned enterprises, and after another six months another 3 ... And that's all this is for selfless help, the price of which is 4% per year. And creating a positive image and wasting money is enough. To all this, it is more active to pull young people from all republics through the Olympiads to contests, an analogue of the same work / travel, and accept the imputed migration law
    1. ser56
      ser56 16 June 2020 12: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Rubi0
      Russia must be done as the IMF, you want loans of assistance and friendly approvals.

      it’s better to do it, but just like that - without snot bully
      1. Olezhek
        16 June 2020 14: 15 New
        0
        it’s better to do it, but just like that - without snot


        The trouble is precisely this - the "main Belarus" categorically disagrees with this approach: he banned this year from taking oil in Russia with a premium and taking loans on "unfavorable terms"

        As soon as Russia goes into "pragmatism", the main Belarusian starts hysterical ...
        Capture a Gazprom bank from this series.
        1. ser56
          ser56 16 June 2020 20: 43 New
          -1
          Quote: Olezhek
          Capture a Gazprom bank from this series.

          winter is not soon, and the Old Man will lose the election ... request he has a hysteria - you never know what they will dig on him, but nowhere to run ... hi
  • Million
    Million 16 June 2020 09: 42 New
    +3
    The whole problem is in politics. People are the same everywhere ....
    1. cniza
      cniza 16 June 2020 13: 40 New
      +2
      Plus the elite and they form opinions and relationships ...
  • YuryPVO
    YuryPVO 16 June 2020 09: 43 New
    +3
    Public opinion exists. But who shapes it. The one to whom it is beneficial. Remember when the first friction between Moscow and Minsk began regarding the privatization of the plants MAZ and MZKT, Integral, Beltransgaz. Interested oligarchs of the Russian Federation immediately through the media launched an attack on Lukashenko and Belarus. As a result, only Beltrangas was sold for debt. MAZ was not needed, because in Russia there is KAMAZ. MZKT was left without most orders from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. One Integral, as it supplied its military products, is supplying. The issue of the military base was discussed at the very top. Lukashenko again rested. Already the state media of the Russian Federation and Belarus have trampled on this topic. And a certain opinion has already formed among the people on both sides of the border. Lukashenko, on every corner, was broadcasting that he would not give up on the people's good and sovereignty. Naturally, part of the people of the Republic of Belarus created an opinion about Putin's oligarchs, who dream of buying everything in the Republic of Belarus, that they are all few. And part of the Russian society has the opinion that Lukashenko looks to the West, did not recognize Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea. Part of the youth of the Republic of Belarus has been riding in the European Union for a long time and is looking at how to gain a foothold there. She has her own opinion. The older generation is mainly for normal relations with the Russian Federation, for open borders, many work in Russia, but clearly do not advocate unification, because in Belarus, the state supports sovereignty. And all anti-Russian rhetoric comes only from the president. The state bodies are silent, they are only talking about independence. And so, dear gentlemen, why the fraternal peoples are not together, to whom it is beneficial, and what it will lead to.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 16 June 2020 10: 20 New
      +3
      Of course, I wildly apologize, but the RF Ministry of Defense has the full right to demand strict fulfillment of contracts from suppliers. If for this you need to buy MZKT, then you need to buy. An appropriate proposal was made, we were sent. Well, we'll spend a ton of money and make our chassis. Not immediately, but we can solve this issue. If after this the MZKT completely loses its sales market and its workers fly out into the street, then these are the problems of the MZKT and its workers.

      Similarly with MAZ. An offer has been made. KAMAZ is much stronger, MAZ lives only at the expense of the Russian market. We sent. Well. So MAZ will be in the Russian Federation on the same grounds as the others. Will he be able to compete with KAMAZ? No. With foreign cars? Also no. Once again, there was a proposal, MAZ could enter into a single structure, get resources and a sales market, but you would have to do what you were ordered to, but it doesn’t happen otherwise. Now, if the Russian 90s came to MAZ, then these are the problems of MAZ.

      Soviet prom. giants could exist only in the USSR.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 16 June 2020 19: 03 New
        +4
        Quote: EvilLion
        MAZ could enter into a single structure, get resources and a sales market

        forgot the main point, he should have changed the OWNER in this situation! But why lose Lukashenko MAZ?
        The problem between Russia and Belarus is PROPERTY. Russian oligarchs want to receive it, Belarusian oligarchs do not want to give it away. There is no consensus, hence all the battles.
        August 27, 2013. "At the end of August in Belarus, the general director of the Russian Uralkali, Vladislav Baumgertner, was first detained and then arrested. The Belarusian Investigative Committee charged him with abuse of power and official powers, stating that he was involved in organizing a criminal scheme whose goal was seizure of potassium sales control".
        https://lenta.ru/articles/2013/08/27/uralkalij/
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 16 June 2020 21: 36 New
          +1
          EvilLion ordinary bourgeois and the hater of socialism
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 June 2020 12: 19 New
      0
      Quote: YuryPVO
      Remember when the first friction between Moscow and Minsk began over the privatization of the plants MAZ and MZKT, Integral, Beltransgaz. Interested oligarchs of the Russian Federation immediately through the media launched an attack on Lukashenko and Belarus. As a result, only Beltrangas was sold for debt. MAZ was not needed, because in Russia there is KAMAZ. MZKT was left without most orders from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

      Excuse me, why should Russia buy products from an enterprise that does not pay taxes to the budget of the Russian Federation and does not create jobs in the Russian Federation if Russia has its own factory that can produce similar products?
      I remember the accusations against the Russian Federation from local defenders of Belarus, when an article was published on VO about the purchase by Almaz-Antey of the BAZ plant and the transfer of domestic air defense systems to a domestic chassis. They say that Russia does not have the right to produce the chassis itself, but is obliged to buy them from the MZKT. And that the revival of Russian industry is an unfriendly action towards Belarus.
  • Gennady Bogdanovich
    Gennady Bogdanovich 16 June 2020 10: 35 New
    +9
    Serious people and write such nonsense.
    Lukashenko did not like Russia .... In politics, using such terms is complete stupidity. Do you like the Philippines? -Stupid question. There are interests in politics.
    While the interests of the Russian Federation and the AL coincided, Lukashenko was an ally. Ceased to coincide, he turned to the West, back to Russia. Nothing personal..
    Both Ukraine and Belarus are a failure of the foreign policy of Putin and Lavrov.
    The Russian elite considered it below their dignity to work with the population of these republics. Like, we subsidize the local president and he will do everything for us. !!!
    Who represented Russia in Urating-Zurabov nomenklaturachik obedinilsya in Russia
    Who represented Russia in Belarus is the former governor of the Altai Territory, who has become obnoxious at this post and in shame has lost the election to a comedian.
    And one and the second was deeply spit on the interests of Russia. Who appointed them to these posts is Vladimir Putin.
    Russia regularly and with impunity gets spits in the face from its closest neighbors. (Baltic States, Poland, Ukraine) If Putin can spit in their face, Putin just wipes himself, then why not AG. Lukashenko. Once he spat, got off, the second time he spat - got off. Now spitting in Putin’s face has become just entertainment.
    1. ser56
      ser56 16 June 2020 12: 10 New
      -2
      Quote: Gennady Bogdanovich
      Who represented Russia in Urating-Zurabov

      and before that, Chernomyrdin helped?
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 16 June 2020 18: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: Gennady Bogdanovich
      Serious people and write such nonsense.

      Quote: Gennady Bogdanovich
      Lukashenko did not like Russia ....

      why should he love Russia? He must love Belarus
      Quote: Gennady Bogdanovich
      Nothing personal..
      Both Ukraine and Belarus are a failure of the foreign policy of Putin and Lavrov.

      without a doubt!
      Quote: Gennady Bogdanovich
      The Russian elite considered it below their dignity to work with the population of these republics. Like, we subsidize the local president and he will do everything for us. !!!

      But this is the key to understanding all the failures! I’ve been talking about this for several years, but diplomats don’t read laughing
      1. Olezhek
        17 June 2020 08: 21 New
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        why should he love Russia? He must love Belarus


        And why should Putin love Belarus? He must love Russia!
        Is it logical
    3. Olezhek
      17 June 2020 08: 14 New
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      Lukashenko did not love Russia .... In politics, using such terms is complete stupidity.


      And make decisions based on such things (like, dislike, spit, kiss)
      - stupidity is still great.

      But this is what Herr Lukashenko did and does
      He takes strategic decisions on hysteria, on emotions ...
      Hence the results.
  • Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 16 June 2020 10: 44 New
    -1
    Good article. Correct. Russia's desire for unification with Belarus is the invention of the collective farmer, with which he stuffs his electorate. In fact, in Russia, most people are against this, and indeed any benefits for the "proud Litvin". Cooperation on a common basis is the real desire of Russians.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 16 June 2020 10: 44 New
    +5
    there is no one correct view of the reality surrounding us - this is just an annoying propaganda illusion.
    Here is the only useful information in the article. The rest is the author's annoying propaganda illusion, which the author tries to hang on the ears of the "society", accompanying this process with amazing discoveries.
    It turns out that the "critical attitude" of public opinion in Russia towards Belarus is not the result of vigorous activity of Russian propaganda, but the result of the absence of Belarusian propaganda in Russia. That is, according to the author, there seems to be no own propaganda in Russia, and the "mood" of public opinion in Russia is or does not form each country itself. Venezuela has tried - to her "mood" is positive. Or there is Syria. But Britain ignored the question, the "attitude" towards it is negative.
    Well, about the fact that "the Russian oligarchs quite wanted to continue relations with Kiev", and "public opinion", contrary to the oligarchs' wishes, forces them to support Donbass - this is generally a pearl.
    1. Olezhek
      16 June 2020 11: 17 New
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      It turns out that the "critical attitude" of public opinion in Russia towards Belarus is not the result of vigorous activity of Russian propaganda, but the result of the absence of Belarusian propaganda in Russia.



      1 Rospressa wrote little about RB. There has never been any "thoughtful campaign".
      It is the Belarusians, having met an article that is not too warm for themselves, immediately begin to shout about the conspiracy.
      2 "Critical sentiment" is the result of the anti-Russian policy of Belarus and the anti-Russian internal Belarusian propaganda. Those. complete lack of desire to create a good image.

      The result is a bit predictable.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 16 June 2020 11: 32 New
        -1
        You save this "noodles" for local hamsters. Vaughn below thank you for a sober look at "sayuznyka" Try for them.
  • Gunter prereen
    Gunter prereen 16 June 2020 11: 10 New
    +1
    Thanks again to the author for the article. It is not often possible to read a sober view of "sayuznyka". Mostly slobbering, custom-made articles about fraternity and other nonsense. Of all the former Soviet republics, this is the only one that still firmly believes that it is "feeding" Russia. This is a typical opinion of the Belarusian common people. "We feed them and they are given to us for this neft and khgaz and esho dengy in dolarrah" - this is a typical opinion of Litvin. Calling them Belarusians, the language does not turn, for they ceased to be Russians long ago. As for the visa regime, this should be a common situation for all former Soviet republics.
  • comradChe
    comradChe 16 June 2020 11: 55 New
    +2
    A bed - from beginning to end. And all for the sake of whitewashing the regime.
  • ser56
    ser56 16 June 2020 12: 09 New
    +1
    Not bad! The author raised a not very popular, but important topic. love
  • Docx2032
    Docx2032 16 June 2020 12: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Tatyana Sementsova
    Borders are needed! Each has its own policy, its own vision of the problem, and its own solution to the issue. So I think that you are completely right.

    I totally agree. Distance is best. Cooperation and friendship mattered in the past, when it was necessary to unite, for example, to protect against external enemies. Now no one is going to attack anyone and any alliances lose their meaning. And from the point of view of the economy, even more so - globalization solves all problems.
    1. cniza
      cniza 16 June 2020 13: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: DocX2032
      And from the point of view of the economy, even more so - globalization solves all problems.


      Something in recent years is not observed ...
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 16 June 2020 12: 24 New
    0
    Super! It's time to take off the pink glasses in a relationship with Lukashenko. It is a pity that this is involuntarily associated with Belarus as a whole.
    After August 2008, when he showed "his insides" about the events in South Ossetia, the Kremlin apparently understood what kind of bird he was, and public opinion in the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation still lived in the past. After the coup in Ukraine, he openly supported the punitive forces of Donbass and his position on Crimea. I do not know the statistics on the public opinion of his then decisions in the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation, but in Crimea and Donbass, other than swear words addressed to him, they did not know others.
    Fear, fear of losing one-man, unlimited power, is the only mover of his actions.
    Yanukovych, even though the MTR of the Russian Federation, helped to get to Russia and the Russians, were not particularly outraged by this guest. But in the implementation of the "pro-Western Maidan" in the Republic of Belarus, it may well suffer the fate of Ceausescu or Koddafi. As for me, in this scenario, in Russia it is needed, this is already too much.
  • Docx2032
    Docx2032 16 June 2020 12: 25 New
    -1
    Quote: DVR
    USSR lost enormous territories and a huge part of the population

    The USSR did not lose anything, but calmly and relatively bloodlessly divided into republics, which now live much better than in the past. More precisely, in Belarus this is exactly the case; I will not speak for others.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 16 June 2020 15: 24 New
      0
      Quote: DocX2032
      now live much better than in the past

      scientific and technological progress has not been canceled ... The Republic of Belarus really lives well, whatever the Russian press says. But the potential of socialism has not been realized! sad Everything would be much better. It is not the idea of ​​socialism that is to blame, but the leaders who have emerged to the top, calling themselves the "elite"
  • Docx2032
    Docx2032 16 June 2020 12: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexey RA
    About sovereignty. Not about independence.

    "Sovereignty (through German Souveränität from French souveraineté - supreme power, supremacy, domination) - independence state in external, and the supremacy of state power in internal affairs. "
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 June 2020 17: 39 New
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      Quote: DocX2032
      "Sovereignty (through German. Souveränität from the French. Souveraineté - supreme power, supremacy, domination) - the independence of the state in external, and the supremacy of state power in internal affairs."

      In this case, all Union republics have been independent states since at least 1977 - in accordance with Article 76 of the Constitution of the USSR. smile
  • AAK
    AAK 16 June 2020 13: 02 New
    +4
    A proposal for VO moderators to consider the following question: it is completely possible once a month to prepare a serious press digest of Belarus, Ukraine, and other countries from the former republics of the USSR, and not half a page, but a solid analysis of most of the issues of interest, including and with the publication of the responses of the inhabitants of these countries to their own press. It will be interesting, but for many readers, VO is very useful for objective perception
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 16 June 2020 13: 10 New
    +2
    Everything is very simple - the USSR ended a long time ago, and the longer, the more it comes to people that they live in different countries - that the benefits and their standard of living, prices in stores and bonuses at work may in a certain way depend on how the power of their country will "twist-twirl" in the neighboring country. When your benefit depends on keeping the interests of your neighbor, even if a little, it divides.
    Belarus leaves in many respects due to the fact that it removes the cream from the big economy of a large neighbor, but at the same time it is barrier-protected from many of its problems. The interest of Belarus is quite logical - to skim more cream, the only problem is that the Russian market is not in the best condition and does not develop, therefore, in order to skim more cream, you need to act more aggressively and try to reduce the costs of expenses associated with Russia (such as prices for oil Gas) . Otherwise, its own positive dynamics will rise.
    So the Old Man took a more aggressive, clever and active position - Russia, in turn, is interested in the same from Belalarus - alignment of the trade balance in favor of R., foreign policy loyalty and responsibility for its part of the western direction. The usual political and economic struggle is going on - the only mistake is that the population is involved in this struggle.
    The population is openly told that its interests directly depend on the position of the authorities of the neighboring country. And this is a mistake - such rhetoric is absolutely contraindicated in any alliance. All of these dairy / cheese / gas, etc. wars should take place in the silence of classrooms between managers and bourgeoisie - when it is brought to the media space and public rhetoric, people understand that this struggle EXISTS. And that their benefit depends on it. And that their country has a certain POSITION, which is closer to them than the position of a neighboring country.
    So we come to the growing dissatisfaction from the understanding of the fact that the alliance is not an exchange of bash for bash but a game of two old cheats. Only after all, every polit. the system is based on the fact that the authorities are "the most honest and professional"))) So - the deception comes from the opposite side, with all the consequences) Mistrust, kitchen muttering, the growth of nationalism, etc.
  • Docx2032
    Docx2032 16 June 2020 13: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Olezhek
    Russian - conscience = Belarus

    But my beloved leader says that Belarus is Russian with a quality mark.
    And who should I trust more? laughing
    1. g_ae
      g_ae 16 June 2020 13: 40 New
      +3
      Rather, "Russian - conscience = Egorov". This is more correct. A person probably does not have enough for a house on Lake Coma. But rather, out of love for art, a person there selflessly engages in art ... It grows above itself.
      In general, the author is probably somewhere a relative of our president. He, too, often does not think what he is saying. Hence the "love" is so touching.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 16 June 2020 15: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: DocX2032
      Belarusian is a Russian with a quality mark

      this is where national socialism begins
    3. Ether
      Ether 16 June 2020 21: 22 New
      -1
      Of course, to believe the leader, especially since the Russians have neither money, nor Mazgou, and Belarusians are Slavic Germans, and even almost all are blue-eyed.
    4. Gunter prereen
      Gunter prereen 19 June 2020 23: 17 New
      0
      Lying !!! Like any uk-r, even if he is from a Belarusian collective farm. You stopped being Russian a long time ago, soon you will stop being Belarusians too. You will become Litvin. Well, naturally, you will start to "soar" on the local mov. And the time will come for rivers of milk, as in Ukriy. Not quite so, of course, all the same y-kr-s in the birthright managed to get ahead of you. But nothing, push, catch up!
  • cniza
    cniza 16 June 2020 13: 31 New
    +1
    Moreover, here ordinary Belarusians, breaking all horizons of the absurd, offer the Russians “cheer” for their “right and honest leader”


    This is where and to whom did they offer? as far as I read and heard, today the LAS is not at all in the popularity that it used to be ...
  • Docx2032
    Docx2032 16 June 2020 13: 38 New
    0
    The main contradiction is not between politicians, but between peoples. Most Russian citizens belong to the class of capitalists, bourgeois in the terminology of the past. The incomes of Russians and Belarusians differ by an order of magnitude or more. A real union is not possible between the rich Russians, aspiring to the future, and the poor Belarusians, who, in essence, live by their own labor, without seas, ports, minerals and fertile lands. However: poverty is not a vice. This is in line with our mentality. We don’t go hungry, thank God and the President.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 16 June 2020 13: 51 New
    -3
    For me, this is Belarus is a potential Ukraine 2.0. No difference, the same dream of the West, the same indestructible desire to destroy his country by breaking with Russia. While this is hidden, but when Lukashenko leaves, it will break through. Lukashenko fosters hatred of Russia among the people, plus the actual division of Belarus according to the Ukrainian type, just the eastern have suppressed the western. The economy of Belarus is slowly dying, people see it, but this is their country.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 16 June 2020 18: 53 New
      +6
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      For me, this is Belarus is a potential Ukraine 2.0.

      in such an attitude as to that Ukraine, yes!
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      the same indestructible desire to destroy his country by breaking with Russia.

      write nonsense. It's just that a Belarusian looks at a box with lawlessness in our country, zeroing of the GDP and asks himself the question: "Why do I need this? I have my own, dear, albeit harmful. But it is stable! The Russians will come - oligarchs and begin to raid the remains, redistribution of property, closing borders , isolation. Why change an awl for soap? " This is a very important question and, alas, we have nothing to show in this respect. Reaching for good.
      Do you want to lure the Belarusians with "Poseidons" and "Daggers"? They don't need it request
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 17 June 2020 08: 14 New
        +2
        The Belarusians do not care about resetting, he looks at the development of the country and sees that Belarus is bent over (these are the words of the Belarusians from Minsk). The Belarusian sees how Old Man in a panic either crap Russia, then rolls back, then howls about "the West will help us", then again about Russia. Belarus, like Ukraine, in terms of industry is tied to Russia, any break with Russia is death for her.
        Russia is not a red girl to like. Do you want to be friends? Go away. Why do we need a neighbor who always wants to fuck something without giving in return. Belarus is a country prostitute, a full copy of Ukraine and her path is the same.
        It is necessary to do as the West: crush with loans, turn into a colony, without the right to exit, use Belarus for its intended purpose: providing Russia with labor and agricultural goods. Only business and nothing personal.
        1. Maxim L
          Maxim L 18 June 2020 21: 46 New
          0
          I am Belarusian. "Belarus is a prostitute country, a complete copy of Ukraine and its path is the same." Lukashenka's prostitute. Most of the people are against Lukashenka. You squeal about the people. It's a shame, you know.
          "We need to do like the West: to put pressure on loans, turn it into a colony, without the right to exit, use Belarus for its intended purpose: providing Russia with labor and agricultural products. Only business and nothing personal." But this is just tin. Have you ever thought that because of this attitude, many Russians do not like? I have a very positive attitude towards Russia. And I have many Russian friends. There are many contacts of workers in Moscow. And friendly relations with everyone. It is disgusting that you write
      2. Maxim L
        Maxim L 18 June 2020 21: 49 New
        +1
        I am Belarusian. I live in Minsk. I fully support your comment. Always only positive about Russians. I read the opinion of some of your compatriots here. What Belarus needs to be turned into a colony, to show who is in charge, etc. I'm just in shock. I used to think that such stubborn Russians are propaganda from Ukraine. Looks like no
    2. soloveyav
      soloveyav 16 June 2020 20: 56 New
      0
      In Belarus, there is no regional division according to the Ukrainian model yet. And who asked another big question: the pro-Western opposition, although in many respects amusing, is there, it may even gather a small crowd with luck (see the so-called Freedom Day for example, or actions against integration). Periodically, they are even allocated seats in parliament. Yes, they are few but they are an active minority. But at least some noticeable pro-Russian politicians are not here, and almost all those who support or realize their support outside the Republic of Belarus (volunteers in the Donbass and donations, emigration to Russia) or are sitting quietly. For as the same case of the regnum has shown, pro-Russian will not sit for anything pro-Western.
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 17 June 2020 08: 15 New
        -1
        Were you in the West of Belarus? There is a division, albeit not as obvious as in Ukraine, but Lukashenko is doing everything to create an anti-Russian wing.
        1. soloveyav
          soloveyav 17 June 2020 12: 44 New
          0
          I still live there, from my home to the border with Poland, km 5-7. And they support pro-Western ones, but in Vitebsk they are not much smaller. There are many ethnic Poles, but it is still a different nation. But the fact that pro-Western with such a policy will win sooner or later is certain. On the other hand, the pro-Western have structures, leaders and money, but they will surrender pro-Russian even to the Russian Federation, there were cases when the KGB dragged people from the territory of Russia.
  • Docx2032
    Docx2032 16 June 2020 13: 51 New
    0
    Quote: cniza
    Quote: DocX2032
    And from the point of view of the economy, even more so - globalization solves all problems.

    Something in recent years is not observed ...

    What exactly? Now you can not work and live quite comfortably. For example, in Belarus, 400 thousand parasites are people with high incomes who are engaged in cross-border business, shadow fraud and other illegal activities. You can go to any country in the world and enjoy life in a warm climate. Globalization is inevitable and desirable for most.
    1. soloveyav
      soloveyav 16 June 2020 21: 08 New
      0
      These 400000 also include those who work abroad or abroad (those who do not need a personal presence). And if a person does not have property (issued for parents / wife / adult children), then there is no reason for him to bother with our bodies to prove that he is nonsense or to issue a passport. But the border smugglers and shadow workers either formally live in the village and are considered self-employed or are made out by craftsmen so as not to attract attention.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 16 June 2020 15: 13 New
    +4
    typo to the author:
    And it’s not “the machinations of oligarchs hungry for limit national ownership in Belarus. "
    obviously not a limit but a redistribution.
    I once rode a Minsk train, it seemed to me that I was traveling with Soviet people, smart, apolitical, and maybe I was lucky, not a single drunk.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 16 June 2020 18: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: aybolyt678
      I once rode a Minsk train, it seemed to me that I was traveling with Soviet people, smart, apolitical, and maybe I was lucky, not a single drunk.

      similarly! The order there was still under the Union. Right now I bought their product in the Belarusian store - tasty fellow Is it possible to compare ours with the same pricing policy?
      1. Crane
        Crane 16 June 2020 21: 33 New
        0
        Right now I bought their product in the Belarusian store - tasty
        ========
        Are you sure that this is not some sort of sanction with a Belarusian sticker? wink
  • Docx2032
    Docx2032 16 June 2020 15: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Quote: DocX2032
    now live much better than in the past

    scientific and technological progress has not been canceled ... The Republic of Belarus really lives well, whatever the Russian press says. But the potential of socialism has not been realized! sad Everything would be much better. It is not the idea of ​​socialism that is to blame, but the leaders who have emerged to the top, calling themselves the "elite"

    I agree here, but this is a normal course of events. The change of one social system to another is not possible overnight on the scale of civilization. First revolution, now counter-revolution - the laws of dialectics and the struggle of opposites. Tragedy from this is not worth doing, that's all. History itself puts everything in place.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 17 June 2020 07: 46 New
      0
      Quote: DocX2032
      History itself puts everything in place.

      + for your comment! I disagree on one thing: - we ourselves must create history
  • Radikal
    Radikal 16 June 2020 15: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: ser56
    Quote: Radikal
    twists his arms "and constantly blackmails Belarus with the help of energy resources

    so buy for the full price - what's the problem? oilmen will lick you ... bully
    Quote: Radikal
    Lukashenko knows very well the results of privatization in the Russian Federation - thousands of closed enterprises, and people thrown into the street!

    however, there is another - the competitiveness of the Russian economy and without subsidies ... request
    and your plants will die out soon, because The main consumer of Russia ... hi

    Your position is known, discussing with you is like proving to a child that he is a child. wassat But why did you, including the author, decide that I am a citizen of Belarus? winked lol
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 17 June 2020 01: 09 New
      0
      Your position is known, discussing with you is like proving to a child that he is a child.

      Colleague, welcome! hi
      Don't stoop to his level. Only on "you". "You ser ..." wink
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  • New Year day
    New Year day 16 June 2020 18: 42 New
    +3
    all the problems we have with our neighbors and vice versa arose due to
    there is public opinion in Russia, but practically no one is trying to work with it (seriously).

    conversely, Russia does not want to work with public opinion among its neighbors. "Soft power" is completely denied.
    For some reason, a clear and stable idea has formed in Belarus that all political decisions / discussions in Russia go exclusively through the Kremlin.

    But isn’t that so?
    For some reason, the authorities believe that it is easier to agree one-on-one among their peers: it was so in Ukraine, so now in Belarus. The result is known to all.
    "Enemies are our best friends, they teach us wisdom" - Gabriel Derzhavin wrote long ago, but nobody reads him.
    And the Americans read and applied "soft power" in Ukraine. If we take into account the infusion of Russia into Ukraine (300 billion) and the United States (5 billion), then the efficiency is not comparable.
    This is a very important aspect - work with the population. But in our country, the government also does not want and is not able to work with the population, and as for the stranger request
  • ebrd
    ebrd 16 June 2020 21: 41 New
    -2
    Hey, aftir, who, Olezhek, how many shekels poured for you g ... but? Lies 80%, vile feeling for such scribblers.
  • sleeve
    sleeve 17 June 2020 06: 51 New
    0
    Yes ... About Putin and public opinion. I remember that the concept of a "colossus with feet of clay" already existed, precisely innovating these two oppositely directed vectors, the power and society of Russia. They are mutually tolerant and extremely compromise only because of the people's patience, but as a rule they go in different directions in the methods of implementation. Our elite is usually the natural enemy of the population, so to speak, the colonialists at home. The elite again sets, as a rule, the correct conceptual (not ideological!) Vector of movement and begins to actively sabotage the process due to its arrogance, self-interest, self-confidence in its own future everything is meaningless for her own experience.) It is humanly pity for Belarusians and Ukrainians. However, it is punishable to equate the Russian (Russian) society in one's mind with a silent and weak-willed cattle. And in the immediate future ... and painful.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 17 June 2020 10: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: lexus
    Your position is known, discussing with you is like proving to a child that he is a child.

    Colleague, welcome! hi
    Don't stoop to his level. Only on "you". "You ser ..." wink

    Respect! laughing wassat hi
  • Alsur
    Alsur 17 June 2020 13: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Per se.
    Quote: carstorm 11
    And what about the economy of the Republic of Belarus, relying on the public sector, breaks all the growth records?)
    This is not me kidding, but those who work out their "bone", as a "firewall" or on a PR order.
    Belarus does not have such a margin of safety as a large Russia, long ago the kirdyk would come to the economy of Belarus, with our Chubais and Gref sins. On the contrary had Lukashenko, in Belarus, such natural resources as Russia, Belarus would have flourished. Yes, at the moment, their state sector is not breaking all the records of growth, but the country is alive, the people have jobs, and BelAZ will not repeat the fate of ZIL.
    Having received a superpower, what did our capitalists do so special in almost 30 years of their "evolution", where did they break the growth records? We are eating up the Soviet reserve of strength, we are selling off Soviet military developments, our natural raw materials. Of course, against the background of Yeltsin, if you look, but the direct duty and obligations of our powers that be for favors and exploits, there will be progress.

    Somewhere I heard the highlighted phrase, but I remembered - in Ukraine.