Head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine: We need ships with missile weapons to meet NATO standards

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The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine announced negotiations on reformatting the naval forces of Ukraine to the NATO standard.

The Minister of Defense of Ukraine Andriy Taran announced negotiations during the ceremony of introducing the new commander-in-chief of the Navy to the personnel of the military base in Odessa. Recall that a few days earlier, the decree on the appointment of a new commander-in-chief of the naval forces of Ukraine was signed by President Vladimir Zelensky. The Commander-in-Chief, as already reported by Military Review, Rear Admiral Alexei Neizhpap was appointed. And his predecessor, Igor Voronchenko, received a new post - the chief inspector of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.



According to Taran, the Navy should develop in three main areas, agreed with the president of the country. Firstly, the need to provide modern naval personnel with missile weapons, marine aviation, means of electronic warfare. Taran also included the development of coastal infrastructure in the same component. Secondly, this is the creation of a new system for reconnaissance and monitoring of the situation in the near sea zone, and systems for monitoring the underwater situation. Thirdly, the Minister of Defense of that country called the developed system of naval bases on two seas, the Azov and the Black, the NATO standard, which Ukraine is striving for.

The Minister of Defense of Ukraine said that all these issues are being discussed with foreign partners. According to Andrei Taran, he was negotiating compliance fleet Ukraine's standards for the North Atlantic Alliance during its visits to Germany and France.

About at whose expense the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is going to renew the fleet with new ships with missile weapons and electronic warfare, Andriy Taran did not inform the audience.
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  1. +32
    15 2020 June
    Ukraine, in its current state, "needs" bardels "to match NATO soldiers." This is all that this country can afford, economically and morally ..
    1. +9
      15 2020 June
      Head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine: We need ships with missile weapons to meet NATO standards

      Frank nonsense, I will not comment.
      1. -3
        15 2020 June
        I will not comment.

        --- in vain. according to NATO standards, and aircraft carriers should be, which of the neighboring countries will give in to the land for expansion-digging of the Black Sea (and there’s not enough in the pool in Odessa) ???
        1. -1
          15 2020 June
          And the point is to drive an aircraft carrier into the Black Sea? If it shoots right through, then no air group will save
          1. -2
            15 2020 June
            from Black there will be (with digging) -Ukrian, "the bluest with yellow black sea MOE."
            1. -2
              15 2020 June
              Senior partners in NATO, not as bad as they want theirs Kuevsky wards.
            2. -2
              15 2020 June
              Quote: antivirus
              from Black there will be (with digging) -Ukrian, "the bluest with yellow black sea MOE."

              No need to fuck a good song ... https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = TQnc8nvyrBA Please! hi
      2. 0
        15 2020 June
        Quote: Insurgent
        Frank nonsense, I will not comment.

        Bullshit of course, used boats are bought in the states, where does the money come from for the fleet.
        1. -6
          15 2020 June
          They don’t quite buy, they pay only for repairs.
          And Ukraine, in fact, is enough small missile boats to indicate a threat.
          For Neptune big ships and
          not necessary .
          1. +2
            15 2020 June
            Quote: Avior
            And Ukraine, in fact, is enough small missile boats to indicate a threat.

            I don’t know about the threat, but the admirals got better.
            1. -2
              15 2020 June
              it goes without saying
          2. -1
            16 2020 June
            Quote: Avior
            pay only for repairs.

            Yeah, they only pay as much as they would pay for the purchase of this pelvis.
            Mattresses are not fools either. Perhaps it’s more profitable for them in taxes.
            1. -2
              16 2020 June
              Not fools.
              Only boats of this class cost several times more than Ukraine paid.
              Even small mark6 without training costs 15 million, 5 paid for training on Iceland, and Iceland is 2,5 times more.
              1. 0
                16 2020 June
                Quote: Avior
                little mark6 without training costs 15 million

                New or decommissioned?

                And to teach - what is there to teach? In my company, mechanics board new steamships without any training. Taught? Do you know the basic principles? There is a suitcase with instructions, and go.
                1. -2
                  16 2020 June
                  new
                  but much less at times.
                  In my company, mechanics board new steamships without any training.

                  But what about crewing?
                  or save?
                  1. 0
                    16 2020 June
                    What about crewing? Crewing does his job when his staff is not enough.
                    But, as far as I know, we get 10 percent through kruigi. The rest - our personnel resources.
                    1. -2
                      16 2020 June
                      clearly save.
                      it is their business.
                      others do not save on study.
                      different approach
                      1. 0
                        16 2020 June
                        In the sense of saving? Should we also train people at our own expense?
                        Not. This does not happen anywhere else. In principle, it is possible to pay for some courses or certification at the expense of the company, but not for a person "from the street", and under a contract.
      3. +1
        15 2020 June
        Quote: Insurgent
        Head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine: We need ships with missile weapons to meet NATO standards

        Frank nonsense, I will not comment.

        so everything is already there.
        "Missile weapons." it’s true that a couple of rocket launchers were lost during the incident when approaching the Kerch bridge even when the Petro-Navy leader was playing with a mace.
        but they either threw it away, or pushed it to someone and it did not turn out ...
        smile
    2. 0
      16 2020 June
      NATO standard, which Ukraine strives for

      "And you gentlemen, no matter how you sit down, all musicians are not suitable .."
      The Baltic countries, at the time of joining NATO, did not have an army, from the word AT ALL, even to date, the tribals taken together have 10 times less troops than in Ukraine. About the Navy and the Air Force in general, you can not remember.
      NATO’s claim to Ukraine is not in the absence of a combat-ready army, which is essentially there (which there is no one). And in a population hostile to NATO, that’s why this population is so stubbornly and methodically destroying, evicting and calling it integration into the EU.
      In Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania in the 41st practically all the population of the countries, with flowers, greeted the German "liberators", like Westerners in Ukraine. But some selukov will not be enough. Ukraine is part of the empire, not the slaves of the Balts.
  2. +12
    15 2020 June
    laughing Maybe we do. But who will give them to you? "Pan ataman has no gold reserves", some show-off and stage stand.
    1. +1
      15 2020 June
      Quote: Captive
      Maybe they are needed. Only who will give them to you?

      They will give it if the owners deem it necessary ... They will give old boats, put good rockets in the slightest degree, and now we can carry out a sabotage ...
      1. +4
        15 2020 June
        Quote: raw174
        They will give old boats, put good rockets in the slightest degree, and here You can carry out a diversion ...

        One. After this diversion with the use of missiles, the Ukrainian misunderstanding will lose the remnants of the fleet.
        1. +3
          15 2020 June
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          One. After this diversion with the use of missiles, the Ukrainian misunderstanding will lose the remnants of the fleet.

          Not a fact ... Launching a rocket from its waters, during exercises, towards our waters, a bridge, etc., an explanation that it happened by accident, then notes, protests, combat readiness and other reactions ...
          1. +3
            15 2020 June
            How do you know Ravil? Ukraine is already fed up with everything and messed up, starting with Europe with its gas quirks, ending with Trump, to whom this hemorrhoid burdened by Biden is already in his throat, plus he has an election campaign complicated by protests. So it is possible that a "careless" provocative bunch, as a result of which the provocateur will kick the withers, will be to everyone's joy.
            1. -1
              16 2020 June
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Ukraine is already fed up and pissed off, from Europe with its gas trousers, ending with Trump,

              There, in the decaying west, there are no fools in leadership. They have invested in Ukraine and will not surrender without profit. The war of the Russian Federation with Ukraine is good for the West, despite the enthusiastic cries of many, neither in 3 hours, nor in 3 days, nor in 3 months, the Russian Federation will not crush Ukraine, we will bog down this war for years and not win.
              1. +2
                16 2020 June
                Quote: raw174
                Despite the enthusiastic cries of many, neither in 3 hours, nor in 3 days, nor in 3 months, the Russian Federation will not crush Ukraine, in this war we will get bogged down for years and not win.

                Come on, come on. Over the years of the "victory" of the Maidan, many people there hate the junta more than I do the "peacemaker" Barack Obama and McCain combined, but without external support they are afraid to speak out against the evil ruler, since the radicals hold power. I believe that if there is a military conflict with the introduction of Russian troops, then a significant part of the population will support the squeezing out of Svidomo patriots from all the cracks where they will be hammered. I agree with you only in the sense that some of the bearers of the ideas of "independence" will still remain, as they did in the years of the USSR. Minus is not mine hi
    2. +9
      15 2020 June
      They will. To confront Russia, the Americans do not feel sorry for anything.
      For example, they can give a cruiser of the "Ticonderoga" type, which they recently removed from the fleet. Moreover, in order to "donate" the cruiser must be removed from the sludge and upgraded. And this is for money. Yes, of course, not for real money, but for a loan with interest guaranteed by black soil.
      As the classics of politics said there: "If you want to ruin the country, give it a cruiser."
      1. 0
        19 2020 June
        They already have one cruiser, so they don't know what to do with it for 30 years. Why do they need a second? Should you also put it against the wall? "Ticonderoga" needs to be serviced, but it is not cheap, plus replenish the ammunition ... If I am not mistaken, the cruiser "Ukraine" costs one million dollars a year, and "Ticonderoga" will generally be ruinous for them ...
    3. 0
      15 2020 June
      Quote: Captive
      Maybe we do. But who will give them to you? "Pan ataman has no gold reserves"

      And then they said that space will be developed, "Where does Zin's money come from ...?" No way "by the pike's command at my will" they caught a goldfish.
  3. +4
    15 2020 June
    If the Ukrainians were not rams, they would have generally abolished the Navy as a branch of the forces, reorganizing the BOHR and transferring the remnants of the Navy there, and organizing a mine-sweeping group there. Coastal artillery can be quite part of the ground forces as separate divisions. That's all.
    But they will definitely arrange a dance on the rake of naval ambitions, which is good.
    1. +6
      15 2020 June
      Ukrians discovered (or dug) Antarctica. forward-looking in the East and Mirny there were couple from Kanev and Zhmerinka. and Lazarev and Belinshausen only submitted reports to Emperor Alexander 1 ..
      1. -2
        15 2020 June
        Right.
        And the couple from Zhytomyr rockets launched into space ....
        1. 0
          15 2020 June
          Quote: Avior
          And the couple from Zhytomyr rockets launched into space ...

          Do not argue, and when it was.
          1. -2
            15 2020 June
            Yes, that's how they started to let it go, then it was smile
        2. -3
          15 2020 June
          SPKOROLEV - a stream of diggers of the Black Sea? he himself would not have recognized himself so, no place paints a man ....
          1. -4
            15 2020 June
            I don’t know about diggers, but he didn’t hesitate about recognizing himself as a Ukrainian ... And the mov did not prevent him from launching rockets.
            1. 0
              15 2020 June
              In the USSR, all nations were equal, and together were capable of much.
              It is even sadder to look at the descendants of those Soviet Ukrainians, given the greatness of some of their ancestors.
              1. -4
                16 2020 June
                And the descendants of Soviet Russian is not sad?
                1. 0
                  16 2020 June
                  Quote: Avior
                  And the descendants of Soviet Russian is not sad?

                  Sadly, not sadly, but one thing there are no fascists among them, and they do not shout "Sumeriak at Gilyak".
                  1. -3
                    16 2020 June
                    People see only what they want to see.
                    If your view of "sad" only boils down to this, then you are right.
                    Such can be found in Ukraine.
                    Only you can easily find people with similar calls to the "Sumerians", as you write, the promo here on the resource in the reviews.
                    1. 0
                      16 2020 June
                      Quote: Avior
                      Only you can easily find people with similar calls to the "Sumerians", as you write, the promo here on the resource in the reviews.

                      Of course there are some, I do not approve of them, but I do not blame them.
    2. +2
      15 2020 June
      Quote: Cyril G ...
      If Ukrainians were not rams, they would have generally abolished the Navy as a kind of force,

      And what about the admirals?
      1. +3
        15 2020 June
        Separate marine penal battalion in the ATO ....
      2. +2
        15 2020 June
        Quote: Egoza
        And what about the admirals?

        Put in the headquarters, one to lead the cleaners, the other janitors, the third watchmen, everyone can be explained.
      3. +2
        15 2020 June
        Quote: Egoza
        And what about the admirals?

        In ukrokosmoflot.
  4. +2
    15 2020 June
    Well, if you install a modified Ukrainian missile system "Neptune" on some kind of sea carrier, then it may burn out in the long term, but there, in addition to the ancient TFR "Hetman Sagaidachny" and American "Icelands", there is nothing significant in my opinion
    1. 0
      15 2020 June
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      Reply

      At the Nikolaev plant, they make lighters, you can place them on them, anchor them, and still have nowhere to go.
    2. -4
      15 2020 June
      There are still old Vinnitsa and Priluki
  5. +4
    15 2020 June
    "At whose expense the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is going to update the fleet with new ships with missile weapons and electronic warfare, Andriy Taran did not tell the audience."
    Rhetorical question. At the expense of the population, of course. Again they will raise tariffs and prices.
    1. +1
      15 2020 June
      Bingo, now they pay already from just 1,5% of the military duty, from the sale / purchase of an apartment of a kefir can car. it’s generally brilliant, I think, to force Russians in Ukraine to pay for their own humiliation. The Russian Federation needs to learn how to behave with the fraternal republics, they gave credit assistance, kindly prescribe in laws that the land can only be sold to Russians, forcing them to pay 4% like Trump for bases, and God forbid bring education medicine and technology
    2. 0
      15 2020 June
      Where does the population get such money? No need to interfere. Let the baker dream. They don’t take pennies for dreams. hi
      1. 0
        15 2020 June
        Only in Kiev over the past year about 35 thousand transactions are immovable, the average price is $ 40-50 thousand, and from this just take 1,5%, just enough for the corvette
    3. 0
      15 2020 June
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      At the expense of the population, of course.

      As always, the volunteers will be reset.
  6. +1
    15 2020 June
    No, matches for children are not toys.
  7. +1
    15 2020 June
    The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is going to update the fleet with new missile and electronic warfare ships

    "Matches" for jumpers are not a toy, there are no brains request Everything from jumping atrophied. Yes
  8. +1
    15 2020 June
    Americans are in no hurry to give all the best to Ukraine’s defense industry realizing that in a serious conflict it will all go to Russia
    1. +1
      15 2020 June
      And what were they going to, except scrap metal nothing ...
  9. +1
    15 2020 June
    According to Andriy Taran, he negotiated on the compliance of the Ukrainian fleet with the standards of the North Atlantic Alliance during his visits to Germany and France.

    Andrey Taran - is it really the offspring of one of them?
    - Grigory Alekseevich Taran, a pilot - a hero of the Soviet Union
    (1912-1948 year of life). Passed all the Second World War, flew to the rear, supplying everything necessary for the partisans and the DRG. He died in 1948 on the hunt. His name is Sasovskoe flight school GA. His son, my classmate, graduated from this school and died in a car accident in the 90s.
    - Pavel Andreevich Taran - a pilot, twice a hero of the USSR.
    Both of these heroes are from Ukraine - a rare surname. If this "Minister of Defense of Ukraine" is of their kind, it is good that his ancestors, Heroes of the USSR, did not live to see this shame when Ukraine dreams of becoming a member of those countries against whom they fought.
    1. +2
      15 2020 June
      If this "Minister of Defense of Ukraine" is of their kind, it is good that his ancestors, Heroes of the USSR, did not live to see this shame when Ukraine dreams of becoming a member of those countries against whom they fought.


      Born March 4, 1955 in Frankfurt an der Oder (GDR) in the family of a military man who [1] served in a group of Soviet troops in Germany. I really hope that not of their kind. I won’t write about the beginning of the service, but in 1995-1996 I studied at the US National University of Defense in Washington (Eng.), Where I received a master’s qualification in “national resources strategy”. [1]
      And the most interesting thing is that 2016 is fired in reserve due to age.
      Rank. Retired Lieutenant General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
      Looks really bad with the shots, since the grandfather was called back!
    2. +2
      15 2020 June
      Quote: askort154
      Andrey Taran - is it really the offspring of one of them?

      There was one more Taran Andrey Filippovich, the first head of Sevpromrazvedka from 1938 to 1950, BMRT-351 "Captain Andrey Taran" assigned to LenBORF was named in his honor.
  10. +2
    15 2020 June
    How sweet it sounds to the ear of Ukrainians - "we are discussing with foreign partners"! Well, yes, there NATO needs cannon fodder, well, Ukraine is their soldier, and NATO .... deep understanding and moral support. Dream on!
    1. 0
      15 2020 June
      Quote: Egoza
      How sweet it sounds to the ear of Ukrainians - "we are discussing with foreign partners"!

      I wonder who the "partners" are, and if they exist at all. You have to pay for a partnership in dollars, not hryvnias.
  11. +2
    15 2020 June
    Head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine: We need ships with missile weapons to meet NATO standards

    We ought to laugh, but no way .... Do all NATO members have ships? are they all with missile weapons?
    1. +2
      15 2020 June
      They were registered there somewhere, so they got excited.
      1. +1
        15 2020 June
        They want a lot, a lot, a lot of toilet paper ... in the footsteps of Mishiko they want. His identity was also recorded there.
        1. +2
          15 2020 June
          There they collected everything that can be imagined in the negative, it needs talent ...
    2. +2
      15 2020 June
      Quote: rocket757
      Do all NATO members have ships? are they all with missile weapons?

      Of course not everyone, but the USA, Britain, France have them. According to the Head of the Ministry of Defense, he also considers an equal equal to these three, and wants to be fourth on the list, although these guys with ambitions can consider themselves second after the United States, or maybe ..........?
  12. +1
    15 2020 June
    Whatever happens here https://youtu.be/OwaKj6nqHgA we should divide the territory and forget about their worlds.
  13. +1
    15 2020 June
    Ukrainian fleet of the open sea? Khokhlseeflotte?
    1. 0
      15 2020 June
      Quote: sergo1914
      Ukrainian fleet of the open sea? Khokhlseeflotte?

      It's not about them the anthem was created "Rule, outskirts, mistress of the seas!"
  14. 0
    15 2020 June
    About at whose expense the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is going to renew the fleet with new ships with missile weapons and electronic warfare, Andriy Taran did not inform the audience.
    At the expense of US taxpayers, this year just the bulk of the allocated 250 million will be aimed at providing the Navy.
    1. -3
      15 2020 June
      250 million for the fleet will not be enough.
      1. 0
        15 2020 June
        Quote: Avior
        250 million for the fleet will not be enough.

        This is if you build from scratch, and if you transfer the decommissioned "Research" and "Perry", then you can fit in
  15. 0
    15 2020 June
    So they also have light armadillos with anti-tank guns, which were going to rivet hundreds of ala mosquito fleets ...
  16. 0
    15 2020 June
    Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
    Ukraine, in its current state, "needs" bardels "to match NATO soldiers." This is all that this country can afford, economically and morally ..

    well, against the background of the pornography that the rulers of Ukraine bred in the country, brothels will be just the standard of virtue and chastity ...;)
    1. +1
      15 2020 June
      I think they are abundant there, they have no problems in this matter.
  17. +1
    15 2020 June
    About at whose expense the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is going to renew the fleet with new ships with missile weapons and electronic warfare, Andriy Taran did not inform the audience.


    They apparently hope for presents ...
  18. 0
    15 2020 June
    Brains are needed, but where are they from in Ukraine, and even more so in the Ministry of Defense?
  19. Ham
    0
    15 2020 June
    neizhpapa says the same thing that Voronchenko said - word for word ...
    in the mouths of the poor, the words "NATO standard" sound like a panacea, but no matter how much you say "halva", it won't get sweeter
    there is no money for everything voiced ... and not dreaming
  20. -1
    15 2020 June
    I was already here, as a "fool", described their desires and real possibilities of acquiring new aircraft (fighters) F-16 or Saab JAS 39 Gripen ........ here Napoleon's plans for the acquisition of missile (knowing his "fellow countrymen" and their aplomb) not boats, but at least corvettes))))) ... according to project 58250 ... with an approximate cost of $ 282 million per unit ... but I will repeat again: the military budget of Ukraine for 2020 a year ONLY 246 billion hryvnias, of which 17 billion hryvnias are planned for the purchase and development of novya (NOT DOLLARS) ... and I'm not looking deeper exactly how much on the Air Force (read the Navy here) .... ie. at the moment 635 million dollars .... we consider further ...... ie. enough per year for 2,25 korvEta)))))) ....... BUT what about the plans to buy new airplanes ????? airplanes fly in the ass ???? ........ shorter than 7 hats from one skin ...... guys are Octobrists ...... money is not dimensionless and has limitations. "take the load by yourself, so as not to fall when walking" (C) ........ It seems like you look without a sound - serious people ..... turn on the sound - BALABOLS your mother was arrested
  21. 0
    15 2020 June
    Quote: svp67
    About at whose expense the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is going to renew the fleet with new ships with missile weapons and electronic warfare, Andriy Taran did not inform the audience.
    At the expense of US taxpayers, this year just the bulk of the allocated 250 million will be aimed at providing the Navy.

    it’s not even 1 corvette
    1. 0
      15 2020 June
      Quote: Ovsigovets
      it’s not even 1 corvette

      On the new one, yes, but from the decommissioned ones, so quite ... Chio "Iceland" that "Oliver Perry" is already in sludge and they are transferred to the "allies"
  22. 0
    15 2020 June
    If we discard the known sarcasm (in relation to our neighbors on the globe), then the idea remains that the legs should be stretched across the clothes. Honestly, the previous talk about the mosquito fleet is much more consistent with the real situation.
  23. +1
    15 2020 June
    Quote: toha124
    If we discard the known sarcasm (in relation to our neighbors on the globe), then the idea remains that the legs should be stretched across the clothes. Honestly, the previous talk about the mosquito fleet is much more consistent with the real situation.

    but how to discard it ??? well, it just doesn't work out ..... then everything often takes on grotesque forms ..... but you have a budget and you need something ... differently, BUT it is necessary ..... so count and sound though would be optimistic plans ... and what are they voicing? some kind of nonsense ... in some places heresy - before the Inquisition burned for such a thing ..... well, you want something rocket at sea and NATA will like it ....... well, sound the missile boats ..... well, what MRK -not ... well, let it be a corvette, but a corvette that you can probably pull .... they have a project for a corvette "Karakal" for 520 tons, "Monsoon" for 680 tons, corvette RS655 for 640 tons ... want with a helicopter? there is a project "Gaiduk-M" for 1200 tons ... but these are small corvettes ... less than that of the Muscovites and voila we have a project 58250 "Gaiduk" for 2500 tons, but in fact we don't have a damn thing))))) Although, on the other hand, it is better for us that they build their cruiser at 26k displacement ... so that everything will surely die
    1. -2
      15 2020 June
      voila we have a project 58250 "Gaiduk" for 2500 tons

      From the very beginning it was clear what was being built for the admirals' walks abroad, for various exercises and visits.
  24. +1
    15 2020 June
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    it’s not even 1 corvette

    On the new one, yes, but from the decommissioned ones, so quite ... Chio "Iceland" that "Oliver Perry" is already in sludge and they are transferred to the "allies"

    Iceland is boats, good, but still boats ..... and not rocket boats ..... and I don't know how they will behave if you start to thrust anti-ship missiles into them with all the strands ....... YUSA they also seemed to be trying to modernize them with some disappointing result. "O.H.P" is a worthy unit - but Americans never give anything - they sell, at a discount - but they sell ...... also norms ..... a decent number of ships to pull for maintenance, repair, BP will be expensive, BUT if they "give" it, then most likely they will completely ruin the Ukrainian military-industrial complex and this is "also bread"
  25. 0
    15 2020 June
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Ovsigovets
    it’s not even 1 corvette

    On the new one, yes, but from the decommissioned ones, so quite ... Chio "Iceland" that "Oliver Perry" is already in sludge and they are transferred to the "allies"

    and again ... the extreme 1989 release ..... i.e. 31 years minimum ..... even if they were followed - time is inexorably
  26. 0
    15 2020 June
    Quote: Avior
    voila we have a project 58250 "Gaiduk" for 2500 tons

    From the very beginning it was clear what was being built for the admirals' walks abroad, for various exercises and visits.

    perhaps the most thankless thing is to pass off your opinion as the opinion of others ..... but I just judge by the experience of communicating with the Ukrainians))))) "anyhow, it’s not a yak among the Muscovites" and this phrase explains a lot, if not all ... ..the main 58250 is bigger and cooler .... well, at least on paper so
  27. 0
    15 2020 June
    If you want to ruin the country - give it, but rather sell it to the cruiser))
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  29. 0
    16 2020 June
    Our boats went "Raketa", hydrofoils. Childhood memory ...
  30. 0
    16 2020 June
    The Minister of Defense of Ukraine Taran wants to let Ukraine into the world))).

    There’s a base for him, there’s a base, a radar, a network of submarine GAS, electronic warfare))) Hopefully, the NATO countries will give him all this ?!

    Success with copying the X-35 turned the heads of Ukrainian generals.

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