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Marshal Haftar named the reason for the surrender of cities south of Tripoli with virtually no battle

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Marshal Haftar made a statement that attracted particular attention. This statement is dedicated to the issues of armed confrontation of the Libyan National Army, which Khalifa Haftar commands, and the forces of the Government of National Accord, supported by Ankara.


The main question raised by the Libyan marshal is related to why the LNA surrendered several important cities and strong points at once without a fight. Among other things - this is a military base in al-Vatiya, the city of Tarhun, Bani Walid and others.

Khalifa Haftar tried to justify himself by saying that the surrender of the cities was carried out by the LNA "in order to prevent losses among civilians."

Marshal:

We have withdrawn our troops from several cities south and southeast of Tripoli in order to prevent civilian casualties. We are moving the fighting into a deserted desert.

Meanwhile, material appeared in the Libyan media stating that military operations control is being created as part of the LNA command. It is designed to develop operations in rapidly changing conditions, taking into account, as they say in the media, the population of certain regions, the presence of loyal tribes, contacts with the civilian population, ready to help the army.

Haftar:

The Turkish intervention turned the war against terrorism into an international war under local slogans.

It is worth noting that the PNS and the VLA constantly call each other rebels and terrorists. At the same time, the Government of National Accord Faiz Saraj openly speaks of Turkish military and military-technical support.
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira 15 June 2020 10: 44 New
    11
    Chetarzhu.
    With whom he was going to fight in a deserted desert and for what? Over the sand?
    And if the PNS does not show up for war in the desert, will the marshal sit among the dunes until the carrot conspiracy?
    I had a better opinion of him.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 15 June 2020 10: 59 New
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      Quote: Pereira
      I had a better opinion of him.

      This is from a lack of information. Comrade Field Marshal during his military career repeatedly took and took back the oaths, regularly received lyuley and even was captured.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 15 June 2020 11: 30 New
        -1
        I agree. I can’t say that until recently I was interested in his biography. Now I’m looking and wondering if all the generals are like that in Libya?
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 15 June 2020 11: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: Pereira
          Now I’m looking and wondering if all the generals are like that in Libya?

          Another thing surprises me. This commander, no matter how tackled, always needs someone. The CIA, then Cairo, then Paris, then the Kremlin.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 15 June 2020 11: 38 New
            +4
            There are no others. The rest are more masters on wheelbarrows to drive. And this one, perhaps, knows what the curvimeter is for.
            1. businessv
              businessv 15 June 2020 22: 59 New
              +2
              Quote: Pereira
              The rest are more masters on wheelbarrows to drive. And this one, perhaps, knows what the curvimeter is for.
              A curvimeter is needed in order to more specifically measure the distance on the map, plot a route, and only then - DRIVE ON A DRIVER! smile
        2. Roman1970_1
          Roman1970_1 15 June 2020 11: 49 New
          +2
          So he became a marshal by his decree. Could become a field marshal
          1. Grits
            Grits 15 June 2020 16: 07 New
            -1
            Quote: Roman1970_1
            Could become a field marshal

            By the way, in the world there are so many generalsimuses ...
          2. no one
            no one 15 June 2020 17: 54 New
            0
            So he field marshal and made himself
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 15 June 2020 12: 28 New
        +1
        What an experienced "commander" turns out to be. A real eastern marshal. hi
    2. iouris
      iouris 15 June 2020 11: 15 New
      +3
      It seems that Haftar appeared for Saraj to call Turkey. And she came. Here is such a castling.
    3. novel66
      novel66 15 June 2020 11: 19 New
      +3
      General (Marshal) of sand pits (dunes) lol
    4. Civil
      Civil 15 June 2020 11: 30 New
      +1
      This is a cunning maneuver, leveling the front, luring the enemy out of fortified positions ... just like in Civil) laughing
      1. knn54
        knn54 15 June 2020 14: 20 New
        0
        The PNS forces captured "The right hand of a terrorist and war criminal Haftar ... neutralized Omar Tantush, the so-called major general, commander of the Western district of the Haftar gang."
        "Dominated", however.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 15 June 2020 15: 53 New
          -4
          What does the phrase "So-called" mean? I meet regularly, but the meaning escapes. What did you use these two words for?
          1. businessv
            businessv 15 June 2020 23: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: Pereira
            Why did you use these two words?

            Recently, all correspondents have such an inconsistent manner of inserting precisely these two words in relation to everything that is not consistent with the right course of the Natsik party. Apparently, such a directive from the bureau of the State Department. knn54 Nikolay, my replica of the relation to you definitely has no relation to you!
    5. janeck
      janeck 15 June 2020 14: 02 New
      +6
      it is necessary to immediately confer the extraordinary military rank of Generalisimus of all Libya, and the surrounding area, comrade Haftaru. (For motivation)
    6. pereselenec
      pereselenec 15 June 2020 15: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Pereira
      I had a better opinion of him.


      In 1987, when Libya fought with Chad over a strategically important section of the border, Colonel Haftar became commander in chief. However, the Libyan base was defeated: Chad's soldiers killed thousands of soldiers, capturing Haftar himself and 400 of his subordinates.

      Haftar is a loser who managed to sit in captivity even with a poorly organized Chadian Negro militia. Again, not fit in.
  2. halpat
    halpat 15 June 2020 10: 44 New
    13
    It never ceased to amaze me: Why do small indigenous figures look so caricatured. Gold embroidery, furaga, aiguilettes, awards to eggs (if you hang everything, not the trims ... for what ??) obligatory dark glasses and so on?
    Here's how to pick. Latin, Central America, Africa, Asia ...)
    And the explanation ... Well, I couldn’t ...
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 15 June 2020 10: 47 New
      +2
      So beautiful. Again, the orders must be clung somewhere. He deserved it.
      Hannibal had a lot less.
      PS I recall how in the 90s we introduced new caps, like the Latin American dictators. The people then also turned out in full swing.
      1. Grits
        Grits 15 June 2020 16: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Pereira
        I recall how in the 90s we introduced new caps, like the Latin American dictators. The people then also turned out to be in full swing

        But now on the contrary, it’s kind of scanty and funny. Shoigu dragged such from the Ministry of Emergencies.
        1. akarfoxhound
          akarfoxhound 15 June 2020 17: 52 New
          0
          Normal caps in this "office" uniform, and at the front one too, frankly, pulled up the airfields on their heads. Very handy in everyday life by the way. By the way, the officers of the Second World War had the same trucks in size
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 15 June 2020 20: 32 New
            0
            Quote: akarfoxhound
            Normal caps in this "office" uniform, and at the front one too, frankly, pulled up the airfields on their heads. Very handy in everyday life by the way. By the way, the officers of the Second World War had the same trucks in size

            Did you wear "airfields"? Well, which Voentorg sewed on order? They were cool caps!
            1. akarfoxhound
              akarfoxhound 15 June 2020 23: 12 New
              +2
              Of course I did. All the same, I served in the army with the authorized uniform.
              P.S. representatives of mountain artiodactyls, who have nothing to do with the army, seem to be minus
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 17 June 2020 18: 25 New
                0
                Quote: akarfoxhound
                Of course I did. All the same, I served in the army with the authorized uniform.
                P.S. representatives of mountain artiodactyls, who have nothing to do with the army, seem to be minus

                And why so vilify "airfields"? - "To be honest, we pulled up the airfields on the head" - a quote from your post.
                Of course, there were trucks of an unreasonable size and style, but those that were commissioned by normal people were also slightly different from the authorized caps, right? laughing drinks
                1. akarfoxhound
                  akarfoxhound 18 June 2020 07: 28 New
                  0
                  Why should I love these "airfields"? My attitude to this piece is because I wore both. There was still plenty to choose from, as they say in Odessa. And it's a strange thing, yes, today the "old men" who still serve in the army (people for fifty dollars) and who started as Soviet officers, for the most part agree with me, it's amazing, right? lol They, unlike the retirees, have nostalgia that the sky used to be bluer and the grass greener - no fellow
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 18 June 2020 21: 01 New
                    0
                    Quote: akarfoxhound
                    Why should I love these "airfields"? My attitude to this piece is because I wore both. There was still plenty to choose from, as they say in Odessa. And it's a strange thing, yes, today the "old men" who still serve in the army (people for fifty dollars) and who started as Soviet officers, for the most part agree with me, it's amazing, right? lol They, unlike the retirees, have nostalgia that the sky used to be bluer and the grass greener - no fellow

                    OK, they don’t argue about tastes laughing drinks
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 15 June 2020 11: 07 New
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      It never ceased to amaze me: Why do small indigenous figures look so caricatured

      This .. now I’ll probably pick up the cons.

      Have you seen the video from the opening of the temple? How do you like the ceremonial uniform of Shoigu and others? As I saw I almost choked. Interestingly, none of his subordinates addresses "your honor"?
    3. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 15 June 2020 11: 31 New
      -1
      Quote: Halpat
      It never ceased to amaze me: Why do small indigenous figures look so caricatured. Gold embroidery, furaga, axelbants, awards to eggs (if you hang everything, not the trims ... for what ??)

      and for them our Evenks and Chukchi look funny ..... so what?
    4. Rostov Papa
      Rostov Papa 15 June 2020 11: 35 New
      +8
      Why do small indigenous figures look so caricatured.
      We got infected from our demobels. There were such specimens that any "general" will swallow his aiguillette with envy laughing
    5. Pechkin
      Pechkin 15 June 2020 11: 35 New
      +9
      Well, change the color of the uniform.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 15 June 2020 12: 03 New
        +7
        This is what, And how do you like this?
        1. Pechkin
          Pechkin 15 June 2020 12: 08 New
          +3
          So sure, your nobleness!
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 15 June 2020 12: 18 New
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            Conveniently, 2 sets of full dress. For the Victory Parade - similar to the Soviet, for the temple - the White Guard.
            1. bayard
              bayard 15 June 2020 13: 34 New
              +6
              During the Victory Parade of 1945, the tunic was also sewn with a stand-up collar (Stalin personally chose the type of uniform and collar). But this form has not been continued.
              Well, the fact that we are being returned to a caste society is obvious. And as always - through the loin.
              ... gentlemen ... smile
            2. MMX
              MMX 15 June 2020 17: 21 New
              +3
              Well, for the sake of justice, the Soviet front door of WWII

              1. alexmach
                alexmach 15 June 2020 17: 59 New
                +1
                I don’t know, all the same, in my opinion, it looks stricter and more solid.
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 15 June 2020 20: 38 New
                  0
                  Quote: alexmach
                  I don’t know, all the same, in my opinion, it looks stricter and more solid.

                  With a different cover, there would be nowhere to hang such an "iconostasis" drinks
        2. +5
          +5 15 June 2020 13: 39 New
          0
          Well, by the way, I’ve cooled down in full dress to the 1945 uniform ... of course I was the first to shudder, as the press secretary of the TFR al Ministry of Internal Affairs (not the Wolf, but the older blonde aunt) in this form spoke in that form .. now get used to .... it’s more logical than something a la Nikolai Pavlovich at the Kremlin
      2. halpat
        halpat 15 June 2020 14: 19 New
        -1
        Quote: Pechkin
        Well, change the color of the uniform.

        Black glasses are clearly not enough. Still need an apricot tunic.
        And everything will be a bunch smile that is, as it should.
    6. pereselenec
      pereselenec 15 June 2020 15: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Halpat
      Latin, Central America, Africa, Asia ..


      Shoigu, Zolotov ...
    7. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 16 June 2020 07: 40 New
      0
      Why do small indigenous figures look so caricatured.


      These are the peculiarities of psychology and the mistakes of the developers of the parade uniform for senior officers. In the realities of today, it is necessary to aesthetically develop it not for visual perception (as in the old fashioned way), but for shooting with a television camera in an open area and in a studio, and the quality of such filming is not too good. If you simplify the uniform almost to utilitarianism (remove small sewing, small details and use individual monochromatic stripes of at least 3 cm), paint the main fabric in a strict color that looks good both on television and in person (the color of oak bark matched to the face (deeper very tanned dark skin) or a very deep black-green) - then the aesthetics are completely different.
  3. sleeve
    sleeve 15 June 2020 10: 52 New
    +2
    And it’s good that we don’t go there. Private pranks do not count. No one to bet on to achieve. Yes and no special meaning. Islamists at the helm? Yes to health. The full operation of the Libyan oil industry will be in question. This does not touch us yet. Although it’s necessary to help the Turks get bogged down.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 15 June 2020 11: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: sleeve
      And it’s good that we don’t go there.

      Well, well.
      1. Fungus
        Fungus 15 June 2020 11: 10 New
        0
        Is there a Russian army there? Only mercenaries guarding the oil industry. If there was an army, I think the Marshal would have cleaned Libya long ago.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 15 June 2020 11: 30 New
          +7
          Quote: Fungus
          Only mercenaries guarding the oil industry.

          Not just guards. And their weapons are not only shooting. And they do not get to Libya on the way. And it is unlikely that this very expensive pleasure is paid only from the funds of Mr. Prigogine and Co. The Russian Federation is involved in Libyan affairs. As well as the Arab countries, France, Turkey. This is no secret to anyone.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 15 June 2020 14: 04 New
            -2
            Haftaru still the UAE and Egypt help.
          2. bayard
            bayard 15 June 2020 14: 10 New
            -2
            Quote: Karabin
            The Russian Federation is involved in Libyan affairs. As well as the Arab countries, France, Turkey. This is no secret to anyone.

            And yet this is PMCs ... with registration not even in Russian jurisdiction. yes bully
          3. Grits
            Grits 15 June 2020 16: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: Karabin
            RF is involved in Libyan affairs

            If involved, then it’s very bad, judging by the situation with the marshal.
      2. bayard
        bayard 15 June 2020 14: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Karabin
        Quote: sleeve
        And it’s good that we don’t go there.

        Well, well.

        Russia acts indirectly in Libya - Havtar is not recognized by the international community (UN). Recognized by the Locust. But here to prevent the regime from collapsing and let Turkey get stuck there and break off, this is certainly a useful thing. Turkey has now fussed from Libya to Qatar and Iraq, has set against itself all the Arab countries of the region ...
        So let them break the trousers on the Libyan-Qatari twine ... They started Operation Eagle Claw in Iraq ...
        The Turkish bummer will only benefit us, but direct confrontation is useless - let Greece, Egypt and all who want to fight ...
        We’ll sell weapons to the interested.
        1. no one
          no one 15 June 2020 15: 18 New
          +1
          This is already the 8th or 9th claw
        2. sleeve
          sleeve 15 June 2020 15: 53 New
          0
          Definitely!
        3. KURT330
          KURT330 15 June 2020 16: 09 New
          +4
          But the twine itself is wider than anyone else, so you also need to worry a bit about your seat wink
          1. bayard
            bayard 15 June 2020 17: 15 New
            -3
            Quote: KURT330
            But the twine itself is wider than all

            So we ourselves are WIDER. smile
            And with a stretch is normal.

            I don’t want anything bad for the Turks, and we have good trade and cooperation prospects with Turkey, but Erdogan behaves like an obsessed person - he bit a bit, he does not follow other people's interests. Therefore, since he wants to fight on ten fronts - his business. My relationship with Havtar started earlier than Erdogan indicated his interests in Libya.
            Didn’t want to coordinate their actions?
            We are not to blame. smile
            Moreover, he is fighting there with his army - officially. The military started a base. Shelf invented to develop ...
            Greeks are against. yes
            Egypt is against. yes
            France is against. yes
            And many others, including the Saudis, the UAE and Israel. wink
            Fight for health. fellow
            And the fact that weapons of Soviet and Russian production are used there, so its EVERYWHERE in the world is FULL. smile
            Good weapon. smile
            Reliable. yes
            Appreciate. good
            We sell to the Turks. wink
            Despite NATO and the USA. bully
            Appreciate.
            And do not confuse God's gift (supply of Turkey) with scrambled eggs (supply to other countries of the region and the world).
            And it’s better to buy from us one more ... two ... three regimental sets of S-400, fighters and everything that is not forbidden.
            And what a Havtar buys (buy for him) is a matter of will, taste and opportunity. Opportunities for sponsors of Havtar.

            But Erdogan seemed to decide to conquer Libya. wink
            Return the "lost" sheep to Osmania. lol
            Than all and pissed off.
            Nor help him stop , nor fight with him, Russia does not intend to.
            PMCs - not counting, this is the business of offshore companies.
            But if a provocation happens, or, do not bring Ahura-Mazda ... AGGRESSION against Russia or our troops abroad ... No.
            The new Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation very clearly regulates the response. soldier
            Better not to try. drinks
            hi bully soldier
            1. Karabin
              Karabin 15 June 2020 19: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: bayard
              PMCs - not counting, this is the business of offshore companies.

              What power - such and PMCs.
              And what a Havtar buys (buy for him) is a matter of will, taste and opportunity. Opportunities for Havtar Sponsors
              .
              RF is one of the sponsors. It is unlikely that anyone will announce the exact amount of injections into the wretched field marshal of state funds in the foreseeable future.
              1. KURT330
                KURT330 15 June 2020 20: 07 New
                -1
                Regarding PMCs, I’ll just share information for those who don’t know ..
                Turkish PMC SADAT Defense has created a partnership with the Libyan company Security Side to train new fighters PNS. The partnership between SADAT and the PNS was earlier, now it will be on a larger scale.
              2. bayard
                bayard 15 June 2020 20: 10 New
                -4
                Quote: Karabin
                What power - such and PMCs.

                PMCs worked there quite efficiently, but they are still light forces, with sharpening for attack and special forces. And when Havtar disbanded his troops on Ramadan ... (one may say so) - they say the holy month, Muslims do not fight. lol And then he complained that the Turks were fighting against the rules. fool
                ... PMCs, where our guys were (far from all with Russian citizenship), found themselves with a small-arms gun against anti-aircraft artillery, tanks, and unmanned aerial vehicles ... without any support from the LNA.
                And there were big losses.
                But all this is ONLY the fault of the arrogant and not-too-distant Havtar.
                Quote: Karabin
                RF is one of the sponsors.

                Rather beneficiaries.
                Sell ​​weapons through neutral gaskets, prohibit PMCs with Russian (including) citizens to assist Libyans ...
                All these services are paid.
                But Havtar really was greeted, he seemed more sane and did not hobnob with the terrorists against whom we fought in Syria.
                So don't be "nostalgic", no one in bourgeois Russia will scatter funds to help someone ... will not.
                In the worst case, they (funds) will simply be stolen.
                But business ... business, in principle, can give something for future preferences - licenses, contracts, etc.
                So you do not confuse the interests and participation of business and the State ... This one most often has offshore registration. request

                But the victory of the PNS is still not profitable for us - it will be a revelry of a new round of terrorism.
            2. KURT330
              KURT330 15 June 2020 19: 44 New
              0
              As for those who are against, it’s deeply purple for us! Whoever doesn’t like to let his eyes close.
              As for the weapons, I agree perhaps in part. Russia had samples and worse, but you ruined your defense.
              But regarding the doctrine, it is not only with you. Everyone has it.
              And again, no one wants war. Now the states are not fighting each other, there is a proxy war everywhere. Russia also seeks to recreate past greatness (it is great right), why is the emphasis on the Ottoman Empire always made? For me, it's better to have a worthy enemy than a free and unpredictable friend. Unfortunately you have neither one nor the other. Your injections do not justify themselves, you do not live better from this. Turkey has no enmity with Russia, but comments here sometimes come to insults and humiliations against Turkey. This does not honor those who, without understanding, write all sorts of nonsense. Moreover, there is no one to answer all this muck. Site rules are respected only when it comes to Russia and Russian. Peace to your home!
              1. bayard
                bayard 15 June 2020 21: 29 New
                -2
                Quote: KURT330
                As for those who are against, it’s deeply purple for us! Whoever doesn’t like to let his eyes close.

                What is purple is noticeable. Only you do not be offended that there is such a reaction to your "violet" reaction.
                It is natural. For your "violet" is across the opinions of many. request
                And the most vivid reaction is precisely from your neighbors (the same Greece), and from the neighbors of those near whom you showed your violet will.
                Each state has its own interests, and if these interests are violated and ignored, such a reaction WILL be.
                Quote: KURT330
                As for the weapons, I agree perhaps in part. Russia had samples and worse, but you ruined your defense.

                And what is the "ruinousness" of our defense industry?
                Really the lack of (yet) shock drones?
                This is not the pinnacle of military-technical genius, they will be soon too. yes
                Or the lack of its own electronic component base?
                Yes, they killed it in the 90s, now we are rebuilding it, and we are getting cooperation from China (they buy much more military-technical products from us). But this did not prevent us from creating the best air defense systems to date. All classes.
                And military aircraft at our height - the Turks who saw the demonstration flights of the Su-35 in their skies will not be allowed to lie.
                Armored vehicles?
                Tanks are the best, and the best in the aggregate of ALL qualities and characteristics.
                BMP? Take a look at our already "old" BMP-3 and their new modifications. There is no more powerful and well-balanced BMP ... but it also floats.
                Small arms?
                The whole world is at war with them. And not happy.
                Artillery?
                The same thing - one old lady D-30 is worth it. And we have a lot of things, including new ones.
                Fleet?
                There are problems with the power plant for surface ships, but they are already practically resolved.
                But we build and maintain the submarine fleet.
                Atomic.
                Including nuclear missile cruisers. smile
                Many can boast of the presence of such ships in service?
                And with such a fleet of such ships?
                USA only. yes
                So we lost a lot in the 90s, but we have also recovered a lot over the past 15-20 years. Today, not only the United States, but the entire NATO bloc will not dare to fight with us today. So you do not overestimate the degree of "ditching" of our military-industrial complex - there is enough for everyone.
                Both friends and enemies.
                Quote: KURT330
                But regarding the doctrine, it is not only with you. Everyone has it.

                Russia, according to its doctrine, can deliver a nuclear strike in the event of an attack not only on it, but also on its allies.
                Do you understand this?
                This is an algorithm of actions in specific situations.
                And Russia has such opportunities. yes
                And she is READY to demonstrate these opportunities.
                And even a preemptive strike, if IT is justified by preparing the enemy to attack us.
                This is NOT a joke at all.
                This is a declaration of intent in a specific crisis situation.
                The world is restless.
                Many states simply did not pose a degree of threat to themselves in the case of aggressive actions against Russia.
                Now - represent.
                Russia has more nuclear weapons than not only the United States, but the entire NATO bloc. I mean mainly TNW, because warheads on strategic delivery vehicles are limited by treaties. Moreover, the INF Treaty no longer exists, and we have the Dagger (2000 km) and cruise missiles (up to 3500 km with nuclear warheads), and soon there will be new carriers.
                We have nothing to be ashamed of for our armed forces - there will be enough forces for any enemy and even their coalitions.
                And we will not be shy about the means.
                This is what the new Doctrine says.
                And whoever doesn't like it, can just "close their eyes". yes bully
                Quote: KURT330
                Turkey has no enmity with Russia,

                And that is great .
                It’s better to be rich but healthy
                And it’s better to trade than to fight ... wink
                I have long stood in the position of good neighborly relations with Turkey, we have a lot of interesting things to come.
                But as one very strong man said, "I would like to be taken seriously."
                IT IS IMPORTANT .
                Otherwise there will be ERRORS.
                And for errors, you have to answer.

                Quote: KURT330
                Peace to your home!

                And to your home - peace, kindness and prosperity.
                hi
                1. KURT330
                  KURT330 16 June 2020 13: 45 New
                  -1
                  What Russia is READY for and what it can Demonstrate could write in normal letters. Everything is fine with my eyesight. You are blowing the wrong way. I already wrote to you, it’s completely violet for us what you have and what you wave. You with this nuclear weapons of yours can scare only Georgia or Finland, well, you can scare Moldavians out of force. You write as a fourth grader, especially about some kind of preventive strikes))) I repeat, to intimidate Turkey is not your level. What do you list me here from Daggers to TNW? laughing You look very funny from the side. Regarding nuclear weapons with preventive strikes, do not write more such nonsense. If you have something to say, we are in Syria and Libya, tell me there. Soon we will be in other places, in the immediate vicinity. With us, no one has the right to speak from a position of strength. Don’t even try!
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 16 June 2020 17: 03 New
                    -1
                    Quote: KURT330
                    If you have something to say, we are in Syria

                    Catch - we answer.
                    Quote: KURT330
                    and in Libya, tell me there.

                    We are not in Libya - I have already talked about this. It will be needed - let's say there ... but it will hurt. Is it worth it?
                    Quote: KURT330
                    You with this nuclear weapons of yours can scare only Georgia or Finland, well, you can scare Moldavians out of force.

                    Young man, you do not need nuclear weapons for the states you listed lol Believe me. But after the statement by the chief of the Russian General Staff that there would be no conventional birulets with Turkey ... only a massive nuclear strike, at least a few dozen nuclear weapons ... Erdogan immediately contacted Putin and settled everything - he apologized to the family of the deceased pilot. .. After all, we ourselves knew who made that decision.
                    Quote: KURT330
                    I already wrote to you, it’s completely violet for us what you have and what you wave.

                    We do not wave.
                    We have .
                    And we can.
                    You are not.
                    And NATO will not help you - the last time they said so to Erdogan.
                    Do you remember?
                    So why these poses and threats?
                    Have you forgotten what happened to your Empire when you decided to fight Russia?
                    Do you need it?
                    Quote: KURT330
                    in Turkey, the caliber made one tremble from Hellas to the Balkans, from Spain to Africa, no one else fit the corresponding calibration. Once again, the Turks are not afraid of war,

                    Well, here again ... You would have to deal with the Greeks and Egyptians - they declared their readiness to fight. With France, which did not state, but actively participates.
                    Are you few?
                    Gathered somewhere else?
                    Or did they even think of threatening us with a war? smile
                    In vain.
                    That's an honest word - in vain.
                    Started to dare again?
                    Did you disrupt the visit to you, Lavrov and Shoigu?
                    Take in Syria.
                    Here we are in Syria. Officially and legally.
                    And with you in Syria they wanted to decide a good one ...
                    It seems to have a different way.

                    It is violet to us that you Turks "are not afraid of war," we have a lot of our own Turks. And not only those who practice the Turkic language. You have a museum in Constantinople, where there are busts of prominent Turks, among them Genghis Khan, Batu ... I myself am from the ancestral village of the descendant of Genghis Khan - the Khanzhins clan (the hand of the Tsar - the name means), the clan that gave the Russian Empire atamans Cossack troops of the Ural and Orenburg.
                    Have you heard about the Russian poet and hero of the wars in 1812 - D.I. Davydov? Also a descendant, and not only Genghis Khan, but also his grandson - Batu.
                    And in former times, the Cossacks of the Kuban, Don and Zaporozhye in Russia were called Circassian Tatars.
                    Did not hear ?
                    And that’s all - Russian people.
                    My grandfather was fluent in several Turkic dialects - from childhood, for our Türks are our Türks. Almost relatives. I have a godfather - Bashkirs, and friends, among the Tatars and Turks enough. I have no prejudices - the one who is with us is the one who is ours.
                    You are the descendants of the traitor Seljuk, who was a Jew for half his life (by confession) and the other half as a Muslim (since serving in Khorezm). The descendants of his soldiers traded in mercenarism and robbery, moving west from Khorezm through Persia, and since there were only men in the army (and only the army came to Khorezm), women were taken from local Dravidian families to produce offspring ... So the Turks appeared Ottomans (warriors from Asia, but with a fair amount of Dravidian admixture and robbery skill).
                    In our country, the Turkic language has long been the language of the Army - in the roots of the Turkic words - Russian words with the translation of syllables in places.
                    Look at the Caucasian Tatars - yes, they are Muslims, but anthropology ... and genetics. And the names are Turkic, but at the same time - tall, fair-haired, and eyes are blue, gray, green. Scythian blood. wink And in Russia there are many such Tatars.
                    On the gravestone stele of the Great Tsar Tegin (Kue-Tegin) in Khakassia, Russian runes carved on stone the history of the appearance of the Turks - as a military class from the Russian clan: "Descendants of a hero and a trot, the doubled root of a reliable entity ...".

                    So we have a violet "on which side your skullcap is shifted", we do not want to hurt you, especially since, although distant, but relatives.
                    I’m telling you as my grandfather’s grandson.
                    Do not challenge your older brother.
                    And we are elders.
                    Why - I explained to you above.

                    Be wise and prosperous.
                    hi
                    1. KURT330
                      KURT330 17 June 2020 10: 49 New
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                      You rave! What are you older? And do not drag yourself to the Turks. You even spell the names wink You have nothing to do with the Turks from the word at all! Your knowledge about Türks at the level of publications in the Soviet encyclopedia. There is one more word there, Mankurt, I advise you to understand the essence, and how, whom and why the Turks cooked in the boiler, it will be interesting. Among the Turks, traitors were worse than enemies. Your style of conversation reminded me of this. Regarding Syria, we will look at the continuation of the Carbalet, and there I will remind you of something. Regarding Libya, you are there and very clearly. Regarding your rusty nuclear weapons, you can only tell jokes to Haftaru and Assad. laughing It turns out that you make up the backbone and core of the Turkic ethnic group, is it not funny yourself? By the way, the Egyptians understood already when the Sultan Selim came to Cairo on his knees and met him. It will be necessary to repeat! What happened to your empire? Are you up to date or to remind you? So here you are threatening, not me. So I advise you, measure a hundred times, and then cut it, it will not hurt!
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 17 June 2020 13: 30 New
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                        Young man No. You are very inattentive. I did not attribute myself or us to the Turks. lol For us, the Türks are our process with a Dravidian admixture. You (and you) have the worst impurity, and you are the worst branch.
                        Do not be equal to us. Yes, and for a long time everything was.
                        Our Turks are our Turks. And you are mankurts, traitors, a robber tribe who went to the Dravidian lands for free bread. So diluted your blood that you and the dominant haplogroup in the genotype did not remain - a wild mixture of different peoples, retaining only the Turkic language, and the memory of a certain power structure ... the former army, nevertheless. But the robbers.
                        Incorrect in word, wrong in deed.
                        I still hoped for your best qualities ... alas ... only insidiousness and obstinacy remained.
                        They helped you to survive as a state after the defeat in the First World War ...
                        Who?
                        England smile
                        France? smile
                        Or the young Soviet Republic at that time?
                        Who is standing at the Ataturk monument next to him?
                        Ataturk was a man and a real father of your nation. Thanks to him, you have survived as a people and as a state.
                        It is unlikely that you are worth it.

                        Quote: KURT330
                        Among the Turks, traitors were worse than enemies.

                        Here you have your portrait and painted.
                        And just do not consider yourself a reference Türkic - the reference remained at home - in the homeland. And you are the mankurts who changed faith twice, who fled from the Motherland. Oranges will not be born from aspen. No. ... I'm very disappointed .
                        Quote: KURT330
                        Regarding Syria, we will look at the continuation of the Carbalet, and there I will remind you of something.

                        Better not worth it.
                        Honestly.
                        You would climb home from there. And then with such a policy, it may soon not remain at home.
                        "Great Armenia", "Kurdistan" will be in this place, and even the Greeks will return to Western Asia.
                        I would not want that.
                        But you can insist on this scenario ...
                        Better not .
                        And do not think that I am threatening, this is good advice ... and without fig in your pocket.
                        I really, after Dugin’s mission to save Erdogan, thought that there would be a new stage in the relationship ... As in the days of Ataturk ... But you do not seem to be his heirs.
                        Quote: KURT330
                        Regarding Libya, you are there and very clearly.

                        All the visibility there from our guys from PMCs. It is ours - from the DPR (and I live in Donetsk), they worked / work there under a contract. But this is not an army.
                        As we do not consider your army, we are your proxies in the same Syria - in Idlib.
                        Therefore, be correct.
                        Quote: KURT330
                        About your rusty nuclear weapons

                        You seem to have mixed us up with the USA? They really - rusty, and 70 percent, and even 90 percent - is ready to go.
                        Ours is precisely in complete serviceability and freshness - we have not lost our competencies (unlike the United States), but, on the contrary, have increased them. Our Rosatom is evidence of that - a world leader in this industry, to which competitors cannot jump.
                        I say this quite seriously and reasonably.
                        And we have everything in order with the carriers for nuclear weapons - everything is fresh and serviceable (for comparison, we look at the American Minuteman).

                        I didn’t scare you, and didn’t threaten you - it was good advice to behave rationally and to fulfill this word. And do not behave like an elephant (but what elephant you are ...) in a china shop. America may not soon become ... Europe - it’s not worth a penny ... And we didn’t fight with the First World War ... Is it worth it to worsen everything?
                        I will repeat my previous opinion - after the mission of Dugin, I hoped for very good cooperation. Not just me.
                        And Putin was hoping.
                        And Erdogan called him a friend ...
                        But apparently there are still a lot of Gulen's chicks in Turkey ... apparently you are one of them.
                        It's a pity .
                        But it is your choice.

                        Quote: KURT330
                        What happened to your empire?

                        There is much more left of our Empire than yours. After RI there was the USSR - an even more powerful empire. Now the Russian Federation.
                        But we, when there was absolutely nothing to be left of you ... supported you, saved you from nothingness ... Ataturk could do business.
                        And now ... I don’t know ... you don’t comply with the contract, you act impudently and to the detriment ... And go ahead in the comments ... No.
                        The fact that you do not represent all the Turks is understandable, but your behavior is very revealing.
                        So, conclusions will be drawn.
                        Quote: KURT330
                        when the Sultan Selim in Cairo entered he was met on his knees. It will be necessary to repeat!

                        Quote: KURT330
                        it will hurt!

                        I think you are going to break off in the Greeks alone. And they will not be alone. And you will not succeed in repeating anything ...
                        But you try. yes
                        I am not at all against your attempts.
                        Against us - I do not advise.
                      2. KURT330
                        KURT330 17 June 2020 15: 01 New
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                        And here we are sure that it was you who broke away from us and Darwin is no side here. Scrape any Russian ... well, you know this. I think. laughing I also don't advise you much. Your knowledge is at the level of European outlets. Don't take too much on yourself, you won't be able to crawl. The whole world has witnessed who and how snatched away in Syria and Libya. Post your fairy tales on Ukrainian resources, maybe it's cold. We also do not advise you to threaten us. You have already been told not to confuse the sun with a frying pan. But about "dare in the comments" you are clearly mistaken. You are here threatening your rusty nuclear weapons. Well, nothing, soon PU from these organ-organs will be in the exhibition hall next to the unparalleled Shell laughing If you had the opportunity, you would have long used your nuclear arsenal along the entire perimeter of your borders. And you do not have the opportunity for two reasons. I will not explain, you still do not understand. So be uncle ..
                      3. bayard
                        bayard 18 June 2020 01: 24 New
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                        Quote: KURT330
                        But we are sure that it is you who broke away from us

                        Does anyone have any fantasies. lol You can be sure that you personally descended directly from the Darwin monkey. But the one who does not live at home (for more than 1000 years) has left the house.
                        Therefore - broke away, fell off.
                        Ottoman Turks descended from Seljuk Turkmens.
                        Seljuk is a traitor to the clan of the Russian and Turkic, served as governor of the Khazar Kagan, stayed in the Jewish faith, and even called his first few sons Jewish names. After the defeat of the Khazar Kaganate, Svyatoslav fled with his army to Khorezm, where he converted to Islam (changed faith for the second time) and was governor of his western province (the territory of modern Turkmenistan). From there, after the collapse of Khorezm, his horde moved west - to Iran and Further, hunting and mercenary robbery ... and so on - to Constantinople.
                        You live in a strange land that you have taken. On the land of those nations that are now oppressing, not disdaining genocide.
                        So you are the descendants of those same traitors. Traitors to the clan and faith of the ancestors. Absorbed the blood of conquered peoples. Or as you yourself said - mankurts.
                        The Türks / Turans came from the descendants of the Russian border guard on the border with the Chinyans. There, on the border, and the first cases of border cross-breeding took place, the daredevils took their wives, because their girls remained at home. So there appeared those Türks whom they call a common word - Uyghurs.
                        So you are the Turkic branch farthest from your ancestral home. And territorially, and by the time of resettlement.
                        The Turkic language group does not mean consanguinity. Those whom we call the Central Asian Turks, in their pretty and even most part, are the descendants of the Persians and Sogdians. The inhabitants of Gorno-Badakhshan are generally descendants of the Aryan Rus, who settled there on the road to northern India. The descendants of many nations live there too.
                        So the Turkic linguistic-ethnic community has developed long ago, and very far east from the place where the state of Turkey is now located. They are approximately in that area and continue to live. And you, the conquerors of immigrants, have broken away from this community for a long time.
                        Yes - they created an Empire that is worthy of respect. But they lost it, becoming a satellite of the Anglo-Saxons and entering the war with Russia for their (Anglo-Saxon) interests. They paid you back with gratitude, destroying your Empire during the WWII.
                        smile
                        Quote: KURT330
                        Don’t take too much on yourself, you won’t be able to crawl. The whole world witnessed who and how grabbed in Syria and Libya

                        Are you raving
                        In Syria YOU grabbed it. yes It was for the Turkish soldiers that their relatives cried, and the "Idlib de-escalation zone" was reduced by about a third.
                        It was Turkey, saving its proxies, that introduced its regular army into the region.
                        And suffered a loss. yes
                        And it is Turkish trophy scrap metal that has long been gathering dust at exhibitions in Russia.
                        Long time ago.
                        And you got into Libya, intervening in the internal - civil conflict. And that which fell into your hands was captured from the clumsy Havtar, to whom the UAE put these weapons. So great is the honor?
                        It would be if we occupied the Baltic states and boasted of captured NATO rarities. lol ... and would say that "we won NATO", pointing to a dozen corpses of NATO advisers ... smile
                        You climbed into Libya for the sake of resources - that is, according to your robber custom. They won in several battles of local militias and imagined ... that they defeated Russia?
                        You are really sick.
                        Yes, this is not surprising, judging by your comments.

                        Now about rudeness.
                        You are logged in and registered on the Russian military site.
                        You are a stranger here.
                        If I went to a Turkish site and allowed myself at least part of what you have allowed yourself, I think that the reaction of the members of the forum would be much sharper than mine.
                        Do you agree?
                        So behave appropriately.
                        Quote: KURT330
                        If you had the opportunity, you would have long used your nuclear arsenal along the entire perimeter of your borders.

                        And such pearls once again testify to the level of your intelligence. lol At the level of the Turkish snuff box.
                        And this is a compliment.
                        The good of Erdogan has more minds.
                        But then you are apparently sweeter than Gulen.
                        Are you his school graduate?
                        Of course yes . yes
                        Which is not surprising.

                        And if you had known a young man how many such impudent as you were, I had a chance to see. smile
                        I’ve been in the war for six years. Special forces from all over NATO visited us on tour ... And I turned their trophy helmets in my hands ...
                        Maybe when they bring your helmet ... how to know ...
                        bully
                      4. KURT330
                        KURT330 18 June 2020 17: 53 New
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                        What warps you is a fact. I’m sure that it’s you who are the descendants of the Darwin monkey! The Türks do not accept his teachings, but he was clearly enticed with Scientific atheism. This is evidenced by your instinct for gluttony and survival precisely due to the blackening of others. And with the individuals of your spill, communication is useless. Yes, and your spit did not grow .. or grew only to a helmet. In reality, you would not dare to be so rude to me. To be in a war does not mean to be a soldier, or an officer who values ​​his uniform and honor. I don’t take off my shoes for many years. I hope my shoes will bring me someday to you wink Do not be ill, uncle dreamer! No matter how much you sell the contents of your soviet intellect to people here and shine with "ethics", you are in any case wrong. Regarding the knowledge of the history of Turkish statehood, your thinking and baggage (if not the glove compartment) of knowledge is completely empty. You are trying to denigrate the people and the state to which you have antipathy. You do not have a sequence of thought and do not know how to express it succinctly. I find it funny to read your sayings. yes Try to look for happiness in another field. You are not even a patriot of your country. Read Gumilyov more often, well, or Dreiser, at least. And yet, when there were Turks, the selection of many was still at the development stage! wink
    2. MMX
      MMX 15 June 2020 17: 31 New
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      Quote: KURT330
      But the twine itself is wider than anyone else, so you also need to worry a bit about your seat wink


      The widest in the United States. The largest country with large resources.
      Russia is also the largest and also with great resources.
      But Turkey is a player of a slightly different caliber, to say the least.
      1. KURT330
        KURT330 15 June 2020 19: 54 New
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        Well, when Turkey had a caliber of trembling from Hellas to the Balkans, from Spain to Africa no one else came up with the appropriate calibration. Once again, the Turks are not afraid of war, but living in a world is certainly more beautiful. I agree, Russia is the largest country with large resources. I will not ask what you have from your resources and how your citizens live. This is your internal, personal matter. But do not underestimate the neighbors, especially close ones, along the perimeter of their borders. You can’t change the geography, we will live nearby just as we did. Some here constantly scare Turkey with nuclear weapons. I just feel sorry for these people. I do not understand, this is from greatness or from an excess of resources. In my opinion, here is from an excess of gray matter. Peace be with you!
        1. MMX
          MMX 19 June 2020 18: 42 New
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          Turkey lost its international legal personality in the 18th century, not least due to defeats from Russia in the wars.
          Citizens of the Russian Federation live no worse than Turkish, at least.
          To scare someone with nuclear weapons is a stupid thing, especially if you are not the only one with nuclear weapons. This is from the complex after the collapse of the Union. However, there are prerequisites for the reconstruction of the empire, as it has happened in our history more than once (we have a cyclical history of the disunion / reunion of the empire).
          And you have a peaceful sky over your head!
  4. Oquzyurd
    Oquzyurd 15 June 2020 19: 00 New
    +2
    "turned against itself all the Arab countries of the region." All this is not true. Against the UAE, Egypt and the Saudis. Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco (West Africa) and Ktar for the PNS, that is, for the Turks. Besides, Yemen (more precisely, the largest party in Yemen ) Bahrain, Lebanon also support the PNC and the Turks.
    1. bayard
      bayard 15 June 2020 19: 46 New
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      Well, see smile , everyone has something to do and someone to cheer for. fellow
      What has Russia got to do with it? Where did all this stuffing about "RF aircraft" come from?
      Even if Havtar broke off from the secondary market ... smile
      Even if PMCs work there under a contract. smile These are, after all, PRIVATE companies with offshore registration; there are a lot of such companies in the world.
      But Russia has a relationship with the PNS, who knows who will win. yes
      What is the question?
      This is politics ... bully

      But the wave of "Russian presence" is being dispersed by those forces who wish to weaken Russia and Turkey.
      It is obvious . yes
      Those who could not make a coup in Turkey and eliminate Erdogan. yes
      And who then saved Erdogan? bully
      That's it!
      A partner (not even a friend) is checked in trouble.
      Who cares to push the interests of the Russian Federation and Turkey?
      What organization were the Turkish F-16 pilots who shot down our Su-24?
      Let me remind you that it was listening to the telephone conversations of these pilots that allowed the Russian intelligence to open a conspiracy against Erdogan and warn him in time. smile
      And to insure his plane with his military aviation, when he wanted to bring down ... friends of those same pilots. yes ... over the waters of the Black (formerly Russian) sea.

      So we have no quarrel with the Turks. In addition, we have very good mutual trade.
      Interesting projects.
      We quite successfully resolve complex issues in Syria.

      If the Turks want to fight, it’s good for your health.
      We’ll also sell weapons. yes
      But.
      This is a business, and we will sell to everyone who is willing to pay and not under sanctions.
      And also we can assist in peace negotiations. yes

      But quarrel with us ... I DO NOT ADVISE.
  • alone
    alone 15 June 2020 10: 53 New
    +8
    He’s lying and doesn’t blush .. And when he besieged these cities about civilians, I didn’t think about it .. I fell in hordes and horrible..And as I got on the cumpol, I immediately remembered about civilians .. Unfortunate
  • MoJloT
    MoJloT 15 June 2020 11: 03 New
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    Marshal Haftar named the reason for the surrender of cities
    The cockade is probably too small. It was necessary to do more.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 June 2020 11: 24 New
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    We transfer hostilities to deserted desert.
    And with whom then will you fight in uninhabited the wilderness? It is clear that to lose is not nice, but it was possible to somehow explain the current situation. For example: retreated to pre-prepared positions. Learn from Ukrainians how to present their defeats in the media.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 15 June 2020 11: 39 New
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    "We are moving the fighting into a desolate desert." ///
    ----
    Strategist ... deserted deserts come under the complete control of Marshal. smile
    1. Grits
      Grits 15 June 2020 16: 16 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      deserted deserts come under full control of the march

      Notice, they themselves go over. Voluntarily. laughing
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    3. nobody111body
      nobody111body 15 June 2020 18: 26 New
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      same as your Israeli General Staff in Syria
  • Graz
    Graz 15 June 2020 12: 01 New
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    nda that still the marshal who only lost
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 15 June 2020 13: 10 New
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      But it is stable. He fights for 50 years and stably loses to everyone.
  • Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 15 June 2020 12: 29 New
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    Quote: Pechkin
    So sure, your nobleness!

    Judging by the rank, I am attracted to "Your Excellency".
    1. Pechkin
      Pechkin 15 June 2020 12: 48 New
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      Guilty, I will correct!
  • Nikanet
    Nikanet 15 June 2020 14: 09 New
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    [/ quote] Khalifa Haftar tried to justify himself with the words that the surrender of the cities was carried out by the LNA “in order to prevent losses among civilians.” [quote]

    There is not even such an elementary concept as the Uniform Honor!
    And when Tripoli thrashed with Grads and art?
    In Tarkhun, 8 graves have already been discovered in which the bodies of children and women with tied hands were found.
    Haftar will have to answer for the genocide of his people. The UN mission is already working at the scene of his crimes.
  • Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 15 June 2020 14: 17 New
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    Why is such a well-deserved field marshal conqueror of deserts so modestly dressed? In general, this Asian woman with golden toilets and other vulgar excesses always makes fun - yes, he did not win more than one battle, but he is richer than me, but he has tastes like that of a 5-year-old with a developmental delay
    1. KURT330
      KURT330 15 June 2020 15: 17 New
      +2
      Actually, this is not Asian, but African.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 15 June 2020 14: 23 New
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    And Libya is gradually becoming a Turkish province .. not so what? Erdogan’s friend at least adheres to the concept of the revival of the Ottoman Empire ..
    1. Grits
      Grits 15 June 2020 16: 21 New
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      Quote: Dikson
      And Libya is gradually becoming a Turkish province .. not so what? Erdogan’s friend at least adheres to the concept of the revival of the Ottoman Empire ..

      Turks do not roll cotton wool. They put it on the "partners", the Russians also don't scare them too much. They consistently bend their line. For example, they have already bitten off a good piece of Syria - the North of the country, Afrin, Idlib are already theirs. They will not return this territory for anything. Now half of Libya will be theirs. One can only envy their consistency and obstinacy. Unlike us ...
      1. nobody111body
        nobody111body 15 June 2020 18: 29 New
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        and not too early to rejoice? gas, then the Jews will be able to calmly rob the current when Haftar is hanged, and even that time is still needed for development; so the "reef" is nobody's
      2. Dikson
        Dikson 15 June 2020 21: 03 New
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        Well, they’re not going to pay Gazprom 2 billion dollars .. here’s the Turkish stream .. such tomatoes ..
  • yfast
    yfast 15 June 2020 23: 36 New
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    In Tarkhun, 8 graves have already been discovered in which the bodies of children and women with tied hands were found.

    It looks kinda silly. And if the hands were untied, would it be another matter?
  • Nikanet
    Nikanet 16 June 2020 13: 17 New
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    Quote: yfast
    would that be another matter?

    Of course not. Just at some other time they could say that people were buried after natural death. Well, you never know what. They were poisoned by carbon monoxide, got into a car accident, remained under debris during shelling, etc. etc. And here are hands tied ..
    By the way, there are already 11 graves.