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German Press: Ukraine dreams of becoming one of the space powers

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NASA did not renew the contract with Russian rocket engine manufacturers. Having learned about this, at the largest Ukrainian machine-building enterprise "Yuzhmash" they decided that brilliant opportunities had opened before them.


About this writes the German publication Der Tagesspiegel, noting that Ukraine dreams of becoming one of the space powers.

As you know, enterprises located in Ukraine have made a significant contribution to the development of the Soviet space industry. By inertia, even after the collapse of the USSR, in the 90s, many of them continued to produce their products, supplying them primarily to Russia.

The most powerful Ukrainian enterprise, which previously worked for the space program and once had allied significance, is Dnepropetrovsk Yuzhmash. In the 90s, the plant sent 100 launch vehicles to Russia. And Yuzhnoye Design Bureau has developed for Russian consumers about 400 different spacecraft. But after a coup d'état in Ukraine in 2014, cooperation between the two countries was discontinued, and powerful high-tech production was on the verge of bankruptcy. In this state, it is already the seventh year.

The hope for its revival was given by an unsubscribed contract between NASA and the Russians for the supply of rocket engines. And the Ukrainian state since last year drew attention to the space industry and promised to invest in it. Actually, the first step has already been taken - Yuzhmash employees have been paid old salary debts.

But what will happen next - no one knows. After all, it’s not difficult to promise and plan. It is much more difficult to translate your plans and promises into reality.
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  1. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 15 June 2020 09: 19 New
    +5
    They plan the key word ... you can plan for a long time ... but talk a lot about the plans ...
    and meanwhile Yuzhmash in full kirdyk ... and Maskov is not found in Ukraine ...
    1. halpat
      halpat 15 June 2020 10: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: silberwolf88
      They plan the key word ... you can plan for a long time ... but talk a lot about the plans ...
      and meanwhile Yuzhmash in full kirdyk ... and Maskov is not found in Ukraine ...

      they entered a corkscrew a long time ago, flew to the ground, broke into pieces and sold the wreckage to the last rivet to the Chinese and Americans, and they still think that they are in the planning mode.
      wink
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 15 June 2020 10: 34 New
        +6
        In fact, the main thing contained in this news is "NASA has not extended an agreement with Russian rocket engine manufacturers."

        The rest is added to sweeten the pill. "Haha, you just look not these Ukrainians, that’s scumbag," that's all.
        1. credo
          credo 15 June 2020 11: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: military_cat
          In fact, the main thing contained in this news is "NASA has not extended an agreement with Russian rocket engine manufacturers."

          The rest is added to sweeten the pill. "Haha, you just look not these Ukrainians, that’s scumbag," that's all.

          And what did you find the main thing in this news about the non-renewal of the contract?
          An ordinary commercial contract with the right to extend and no more.
          As for the pill, it’s not at all clear who sweetened it for anyone. The German press writes about the space attempts of Ukraine and that’s it. The conclusion that Yuzhmash is now littered with orders from the United States is not traced in the article. So for whom is the pill?
      2. figwam
        figwam 15 June 2020 13: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: Halpat
        but still think they’re in planning mode.

        So let them plan, flying squirrels and they plan.
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 15 June 2020 11: 21 New
      -8
      Maybe Maskov with such funding and no. But there are such promising developments on the lack of money that radically change the approaches in the operation of engines in an elastic medium. This is the basis not only of engines, but of all future energy.
      1. credo
        credo 15 June 2020 11: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: gridasov
        Maybe Maskov with such funding and no. But there are such promising developments on the lack of money that radically change the approaches in the operation of engines in an elastic medium. This is the basis not only of engines, but of all future energy.

        It is not clear which promising developments you mentioned. If Ukraine, then it looks like the same promising developments as in aircraft manufacturing. No money - no development and finished products. The Anglo-Saxon "partners" predict Ukraine the status of an "agrarian power" and in a row will give money for something innovative and breakthrough in other areas, simultaneously exporting the smartest big-headed from Ukraine to the USA.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 15 June 2020 12: 06 New
          +1
          No, there is no question about Ukraine and there can be no question, this is the country of residence. But this is not a space for development and work.
          1. major147
            major147 15 June 2020 17: 08 New
            +1
            German Press: Ukraine dreams of becoming one of the space powers

            Ukraine is the time to dream of becoming at least an “agrarian power”!
        2. gridasov
          gridasov 15 June 2020 18: 12 New
          -2
          Laughter and nothing more. I didn’t say what amounts are being discussed. I believe that Russia will not pull. I’ll try so that the amounts are equivalent to significance.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 15 June 2020 16: 45 New
        -1
        in alliance with Brazil, you will be looking at the stars through the United States through a telescope
      3. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 15 June 2020 19: 56 New
        -1
        I especially liked the "elastic medium". Then of course, Yuzhmash will unfold ...
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 15 June 2020 21: 02 New
          0
          That is, you do not even take into account the transformation of processes in the air. For you, nebulae in the zones of low pressure do not mean anything?
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 15 June 2020 21: 27 New
            +1
            For a spacecraft, condensation of water in zones of reduced pressure in the atmosphere does not really mean anything.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 15 June 2020 21: 55 New
              0
              For mastered speeds, it may not mean. But for high speeds or movement in water, this is an important aspect.
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 15 June 2020 22: 17 New
                0
                Essentially, important - one cavitation of screws is worth what.
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 15 June 2020 22: 56 New
                  0
                  Well, I brought you under the processes when even you understand the importance of cavitation. So you understand that achieving high speeds is associated with solving problems related to the external environment. And they said that the most interesting thing to hear about the elasticity of the medium. I even heard the irony in words
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 16 June 2020 08: 22 New
                    0
                    It remains to learn from you about the elastic properties of the vacuum, and everything will be in order.
                    1. gridasov
                      gridasov 16 June 2020 10: 40 New
                      0
                      Much more interesting is not the space with no air - what is meant by vacuum, but the space that is formed between the magnetic fields controlled by potential. This space forms the system polarized interaction with other spaces. That is, it is possible to work not with linear magnetic processes of interaction, but with full-volume ones. For example, the same turbine operating with a two-way interacting flow forms a controlled tornado. And the essence of the powerful tornado process is the interaction of the break-in moments of rotation of the external and internal flow of water or air, which, in turn, form a space with a high potential not of the center of mass, but of the center between magnetic fields, or rather flows. Somewhere and meaninglessly, it is also called the Zero point. Therefore, aircraft engines operating on this principle in the future may not work on the rejection of masses, but on the interaction of the most powerful magnetic forces of various levels.
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 16 June 2020 18: 56 New
                        0
                        Success in combat and political training in conjunction with "systemic polarized interaction." And also with homespun, wardrobe and homespun.
                      2. gridasov
                        gridasov 16 June 2020 21: 24 New
                        0
                        Well, yes, and you with energy on mass and speed.
  2. iouris
    iouris 15 June 2020 11: 38 New
    -1
    Keyword "Germany".
  3. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 15 June 2020 20: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: silberwolf88
    Keyword Plan ... you can plan for a long time ... but talk a lot about plans ...

    Keyword - dreamfrom which "plan" follows - that is, utopian plans are built hi
  4. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 15 June 2020 21: 07 New
    -1
    Not yet kirdyk, but already close. The plant operates one day a week. The problem is that the plant is a large area almost in the center of the city. There are many who want to remake these areas into something more liquid - a shopping center, residential buildings, etc.
  • KAV
    KAV 15 June 2020 09: 19 New
    +5
    Dreaming and becoming are two different possibilities, with an insurmountable distance for Ukraine.
    NASA did not renew the contract with Russian rocket engine manufacturers. Having learned about this, at the largest Ukrainian machine-building enterprise "Yuzhmash" they decided that brilliant opportunities had opened before them.

    Opportunities for theft? For, any sober person will not believe in real prospects for Ukraine to become a space power.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 15 June 2020 09: 19 New
    +4
    Ukraine dreams of becoming Russia
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 June 2020 10: 04 New
      -2
      Quote: vavilon
      Ukraine dreams of becoming Russia

      And then Rogozin will realize their dream come true.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 15 June 2020 09: 20 New
    +8
    German Press: Ukraine dreams become one of the space powers
    That they can - "dream"! laughing
  • knn54
    knn54 15 June 2020 09: 20 New
    +5
    In the best case, the remaining (who did not leave for the Russian Federation or the PRC) "brains" will leave for the States.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 15 June 2020 10: 09 New
      +3
      You are absolutely right! To work and implement breakthrough solutions in the country of deceived hopes, where a person is not in value, does not make any sense.
      1. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 15 June 2020 10: 30 New
        0
        I recently listened to the songs of the group "25 17" and realized that they relate your words to our country. And unfortunately there are a lot of music groups (which are popular among our youth) offering "to molt from this country not too late" in the Russian Federation. We have a problem with personnel leakage, and what a problem ... Although we are not in such a priest as Ukraine ...
  • Nemo
    Nemo 15 June 2020 09: 23 New
    +4
    Ukraine will fly by. The United States refused to extend the contract because they rely on engines of its production.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 15 June 2020 10: 00 New
      -7
      Quote: Nemo
      Ukraine will fly by. The United States refused to extend the contract because they rely on engines of its production.

      In fairness, it should be noted that Yuzhmash and Yuzhny have long been involved in the programs of the European Space Agency and NASA. The scale of course is not comparable with the former.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 15 June 2020 11: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Normal ok
        In fairness, it should be noted that Yuzhmash and Yuzhny have long been involved in the programs of the European Space Agency and NASA. The scale of course is not comparable with the former.

        Then, in fairness (solely for the sake of it), it would probably be worthwhile to name the existing "scale" of cooperation between Yuzhmash and Yuzhnoye Design Bureau with these agencies.

        And does this level give at least some reason " peace about the great cosmic maybutne "???

        " (CENSOR *) Duma rich " yes
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 June 2020 10: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Nemo
      Ukraine will fly by.

      Fly by, "quietly quietly and lowly low."
  • gridasov
    gridasov 15 June 2020 09: 26 New
    +3
    Talking about rocket engines will make a real breakthrough when the issue of radically increasing the speed of filling the combustion chambers with fuel is resolved. Only then can we talk about heavy missiles with a high payload and higher speeds and a large detached mass of the rocket from the ground. Therefore, all the fuss is not about anything. No ideas, no solutions, no development mechanism.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 15 June 2020 09: 38 New
      +1
      Talking about rocket engines will make a real breakthrough when the issue of radically increasing the speed of filling the combustion chambers with fuel is resolved ...
      So maybe we have already run into this limit? Just as did propeller aviation once run into a speed barrier? I'm not special, of course, but heptyl was created for this reason. Hydrogen-oxygen engines were definitely there. Is it necessary to create something stronger, perhaps more toxic than heptyl? Maybe there are some other ways?
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 15 June 2020 09: 47 New
        +3
        Of course have ! I think the Russian leadership needs to change the strategy for finding and implementing breakthrough solutions. Now, as always, Russia is simply obligated to maintain its position on the global bridgehead of the confrontations in scientific and technological progress. Therefore, catching up and being equal to others does not work out. You need Yours and Native.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 15 June 2020 09: 28 New
    +9
    But what comes next - no one knows

    In the light of recent trends, all high-tech products are bought at home. Even more expensive, but mine. It gives work to its own. Globalization with its world market is moving away and America, like Russia, is now trying to produce everything at home.
    And Ukraine, albeit hoping, but its train left. She stayed with nothing.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 15 June 2020 09: 40 New
      0
      Svetlan, who are you minus ?!) Really, the forelocks ran into the site? 0
      1. cniza
        cniza 15 June 2020 10: 53 New
        +2
        There are a lot of them and there are very evil ones. lol
      2. Andobor
        Andobor 15 June 2020 12: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Svetlan, who are you minus ?!) Really, the forelocks ran into the site? 0

        They, they are not being withdrawn here, the West is steadily allocating money to fight “Russian propaganda”, and the State Department is so by law. They have no other job, so the wretched ones are jumping - they know the language and are very cheap.
    2. svp67
      svp67 15 June 2020 10: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Svetlana
      Even more expensive, but mine. It gives work to its own.

      It seems correct, but here one very important “BUT” appears. Characteristics. Well, if they are no worse than what is abroad, and if they are much worse? It is necessary to introduce a reasonable tool, forcing our manufacturers not to rely on the "obligation" of the state order, but to strive to improve their products, but the Japanese and Koreans were able to achieve this.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 June 2020 10: 08 New
      -3
      Quote: Svetlana
      And Ukraine, albeit hoping, but its train left.

      And she could have stayed on the train.
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 15 June 2020 10: 36 New
        -2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And she could have stayed on the train.

        sloping
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 June 2020 09: 29 New
    +6
    As you know, enterprises located in Ukraine have made a significant contribution to the development of the Soviet space industry.

    all this was done by cooperation, the whole country .....
    1. cniza
      cniza 15 June 2020 10: 51 New
      +3
      I will continue - in the territory of modern Ukraine and without participation in this process of raguli. Greetings! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 June 2020 10: 59 New
        +1
        MOSHKARA meets us in the morning ... and so, in general, with a good morning soldier
        People define themselves as winners or losers, losers ... themselves, themselves!
        After the jumpers, they have little choice, however ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 15 June 2020 11: 04 New
          +1
          We have a good ...
          But they do not know anything except jumping and wanting.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 15 June 2020 11: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: cniza
            We have a good ...
            But they do not know anything except jumping and wanting.

            They know, they know, shaw in geyrops is straight good and even better, and even in NATO shorts they give out lace yes
            1. cniza
              cniza 15 June 2020 11: 53 New
              +2
              There, in my opinion, the latter will be removed ... lol
      2. gridasov
        gridasov 15 June 2020 11: 13 New
        +2
        Ukraine is just a comedy performance lasting for decades. Solid amateurs and ignoramuses destroyed the community of people. It’s funny to watch when in power and thinks that in Mercedes and with money he acquired the status of a normal person. Although in most countries bandits dress up in white-collar workers and think that they rule. A country where there are no real scientists in power has no development prospects
        1. cniza
          cniza 15 June 2020 11: 15 New
          +1
          And apparently they will never understand that they need a base, foundation, school and experience.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 15 June 2020 11: 24 New
            0
            Right! School and experience is also the succession of knowledge in successive generations of scientists. These are traditions and the sequence of development of various undertakings.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 15 June 2020 11: 44 New
              +2
              School, knowledge, science and foreign affairs, so poorly combined ... will learn in a completely different language and will be their happiness ...
              1. cniza
                cniza 15 June 2020 11: 49 New
                +2
                You also want to want this, then study, then work hard, but they want everything at once ...
              2. gridasov
                gridasov 15 June 2020 11: 57 New
                0
                Enough of what I see is happening in the country, so as not to understand the futility of any reasonable endeavors. I see that they simply degenerated into a real perception of reality. Of course about power as well. The people turned into a passive mass where everyone found what they can and can, in these conditions. Therefore, I would advise many others to distinguish between the concepts of people and people and power and amateurs
              3. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 15 June 2020 13: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: rocket757

                School, knowledge, science and foreign affairs, so poorly combined ... will learn in a completely different language and will be their happiness ...

                Well, their independence was not provided for by independence.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 15 June 2020 13: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Well, their independence was not provided for by independence.

                  It is clear that the one who conceived the mess, conceived precisely the CHAIN, and not some sort of independence there.
  • DVR
    DVR 15 June 2020 09: 38 New
    +1
    As you know, enterprises located in Ukraine have made a significant contribution to the development of the Soviet space industry.

    Not right, it should be:
    As you know, the Soviet space industry has made a significant contribution to the development of enterprises located in Ukraine.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 15 June 2020 09: 55 New
      0
      Sometimes, from the rearrangement of factors, the meaning changes.
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 15 June 2020 10: 43 New
      +1
      The Soviet space industry made a significant contribution to the development of enterprises located in Ukraine.
      Exactly!!!
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 15 June 2020 13: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        The Soviet space industry made a significant contribution to the development of enterprises located in Ukraine.
        Exactly!!!

        The Soviet space industry simply created these enterprises from scratch in Ukraine, but might not have created them.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 15 June 2020 09: 38 New
    +1
    Ukraine "dreams" to wash the toilet in the EU .... Space is not its level ..
    1. cniza
      cniza 15 June 2020 10: 49 New
      0
      But the authorities want the Ruguli really, but there is nothing left besides Wishlist.
  • Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 15 June 2020 09: 43 New
    0
    The prospects are extremely foggy - it is not clear what with the engines for lighthouses and cyclone 4m. Yuzhmash for Zenit 2 did tanks and more, while in Russia there were engines and an acceleration unit. In general, competition is better for the industry, but here the UK’s position is stronger than that of the country that we owe the Black Sea
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 15 June 2020 09: 49 New
    +1
    Which Ukraine, the Yannel plant, a Russian engineer, did the Russians build and work there to realize their ambitions and needs, in a good way. Russia is gone - needs are gone too, but ambitions remain
    1. cniza
      cniza 15 June 2020 10: 48 New
      +1
      It does not reach the West.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 15 June 2020 09: 50 New
    +3
    The problem in the language of mov is not suitable for the production of complex things, it is good to talk about nature, prices, chatting with a neighbor about the harvest or agree on the purchase of a pig, but how to describe the production of rockets? here you can’t do without borrowing. But the farmer’s mentality cannot be changed; he will take his own anyway.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 15 June 2020 09: 56 New
      -1
      I agree! Language, no matter how strange it sounds, is very important in the description and justification of innovative and especially disruptive solutions in science.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 June 2020 10: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Alex66
      But the farmer’s mentality cannot be changed; he will take his own anyway.

      "You can leave the farm, but the farm will not leave you." Estonian proverb.
    3. cniza
      cniza 15 June 2020 10: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex66
      The problem in the language of mov is not suitable for the production of complex things, it is good to talk about nature, prices, chatting with a neighbor about the harvest or agree on the purchase of a pig, but how to describe the production of rockets? here you can’t do without borrowing. But the farmer’s mentality cannot be changed; he will take his own anyway.


      Where does this come from in an artificial language, or rather in a simple colloquial dialect.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 15 June 2020 13: 25 New
        0
        Quote: cniza
        Where does this come from in an artificial language, or rather in a simple colloquial dialect.

        In the world, a literary language is created from the spoken language, and in Ukraine, the spoken language is taken for the literary.
        1. cniza
          cniza 15 June 2020 13: 38 New
          +1
          Yes, literary is not a problem, but technical ...
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 15 June 2020 13: 56 New
            0
            Quote: cniza
            Yes, literary is not a problem, but technical ..

            Here you can make a lot of things that everyone will become ill. (especially in space).
            1. cniza
              cniza 15 June 2020 14: 00 New
              +1
              So you need to take the language of the "aggressor" well, or some other, for example, Chinese ... lol
    4. Avior
      Avior 15 June 2020 11: 46 New
      -2
      Most of the terminology in technology is international.
      Are you really good at that?
      What do you say, for example, about this?
      The need for more complex tasks of management, dictated by the development of high technologies, has led to more and more important models of unambiguous models up to the latest theoretical models. At present, the theory of management intensively develops ideas for management methods, assumptions based on multiple theoretical models of unintentionality, which, by denying the name of the guaranteed guarantee. Given the dominance of undetermined values, it is naturally more natural to ask less than guaranteed intervals (as it is widely distributed in machine and vehicle technology), as well as compact pluralities of their most important values. Yak many estimates are more likely to be more widespread than bagatopods, but rather bagatyrnі elіpsoіdi in large open spaces.

      http://www.ikd.kiev.ua/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30%3A2011-02-09-14-18-50&catid=13%3A2011-02-09-13-56-19&Itemid=16&lang=uk
      hi
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 15 June 2020 13: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Avior
        What do you say, for example, about this?

        I don’t know, but I broke the language while reading, and in the end I didn’t understand anything.
        1. Avior
          Avior 15 June 2020 14: 56 New
          -1
          Yes, the area is specific.
          Do you understand Russian in robust spacecraft control systems? smile
          This is an excerpt from the description of the creation of the Egyptian microsatellite control system.
          There are no problems with technical Ukrainian, in fact, even for the most difficult areas.
          hi
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 15 June 2020 15: 35 New
            0
            Quote: Avior

            Yes, the area is specific.
            Do you understand Russian in robust spacecraft control systems?

            And in Russian I did not understand, but at least I would read it.
            1. Avior
              Avior 15 June 2020 16: 18 New
              -3
              It wished our distant ancestors to build this tower, because of them now over seven thousand languages ​​have exceeded the world, only people are confused. smile
              Basically, it was a simple illustration ...
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 15 June 2020 09: 53 New
    +3
    Ukraine dreams of becoming a space power. It's like a gopher who dreams of becoming a stallion. What degenerates will trust them to launch their satellites?
    1. cniza
      cniza 15 June 2020 10: 43 New
      +2
      They think it is possible. lol
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 15 June 2020 10: 50 New
        +1
        Dreaming is not harmful, only there you need to invest hundreds of millions or even billions (not hryvnia), and this should somehow pay for itself. And it will not be possible to recoup if there is nothing to start. Can you imagine that someone will entrust their satellites into orbit with them?
        1. cniza
          cniza 15 June 2020 10: 55 New
          +2
          As if to put it mildly ... in addition to what you said, we must return to the Russian language, we have already talked about this, well, or, for example, to English ...
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 15 June 2020 11: 03 New
            0
            Broken English will be taught by their masters in a couple of centuries. Maybe then they will become a cosmic power.
            1. cniza
              cniza 15 June 2020 11: 05 New
              +1
              And they need it, they need working cattle, not scientists ...
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 15 June 2020 11: 21 New
                0
                Just two centuries later, only Antarctica with penguins will not have spaceships. Well, workers on Mars will be needed, and there is all kinds of radiation.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 15 June 2020 11: 23 New
                  +3
                  I'm not sure, of course, about Antarctica, and yes ...
                  1. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 15 June 2020 11: 30 New
                    +1
                    You see, so we come to the conclusion that Ukraine is simply doomed to become a space power.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 15 June 2020 11: 50 New
                      +2
                      Yeah, it will definitely be, after returning to Venus.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 June 2020 18: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Herman 4223

      Ukraine dreams of becoming a space power.

      And then the head of the Defense Ministry Taran said that they would build a missile fleet, well, probably the outskirts of the "goldfish" caught.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 15 June 2020 19: 15 New
        -1
        Or they, along with a German correspondent, smoked something at their leisure. Apparently sticks well. Well, if the plumbing is not played as in German films.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 15 June 2020 09: 55 New
    +3
    NASA did not renew the contract with Russian rocket engine manufacturers.
    ... This is the main news, and not good, but about Ukrainian hopes a second time ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 15 June 2020 10: 43 New
      +2
      Yes, unfortunately, it’s so, they lost a good piece, but there is always but ...
  • Flawless
    Flawless 15 June 2020 09: 56 New
    +1
    And I thought that Ukraine has long been a space power. Exactly immediately after the greatest Ukrainians of the Black Sea dug up the space became, Nupra is nothing to land.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 15 June 2020 10: 02 New
    +2
    Americans want their own engines. And do not change one foreign supplier to another.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 15 June 2020 10: 23 New
      -2
      As an option, to produce at Yuzhmash ...
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 15 June 2020 10: 37 New
        +1
        Why do they need this?
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 15 June 2020 10: 48 New
          0
          It’s cheaper ... they will buy back, invest in money for reconstruction, make their own, get the technologies that are left, plus their own, and cheap labor ... Why not? ... But as I wrote above, as an option ... And this there will be no Ukrainian engines, but American ones ...
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 15 June 2020 10: 53 New
            +1
            Americans always keep all key strategic technologies in their own territory and on their territory. Everyone else gets the maximum screwdriver assembly. And it, as the Mask experience has shown, can be done in the United States. Why should they feed foreigners?
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 15 June 2020 11: 18 New
              0
              I do not recommend talking about the Mask at all. Everything is what is, there are no promising ideas or technologies for years to come. There are technologically old methods and structurally old engines.
              1. Pavel73
                Pavel73 15 June 2020 11: 32 New
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                Musk makes launch vehicles to launch payloads into space. These missiles require neither technologically new techniques, nor constructively new engines, nor promising ideas, nor mass excellence. All they need is financial excellence: a minimum of dollars per kilogram of payload. Musk, being an entrepreneur, understands better than others that the main requirement for a rocket as a vehicle is simplicity and cheapness. And there let her even fly on the wood. Musk brought the financial excellence of launch vehicles to the limit. Cheaper than Musk, no longer do. Therefore, all other missiles in the world will die sooner or later due to their lack of competitiveness. Or at best would be Falcon's analogs. In the same way, the Shuttle died; in the same way, the Concorde died. The creators of these aircraft did not take into account their lack of competitiveness and high cost. Although technologically it was real miracles.
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 15 June 2020 11: 38 New
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                  I do not argue! As part of the cost reduction aspect, you are right. But I think that this is not a fact that these flights are profitable. Space exploration requires not only transport devices, but also the creation of a new level of infrastructure both in space and on other planets. And without heavy transporters can not do. Therefore, Musk, as a person performing the task of other and more influential structures, does not perform a small fraction of the ambitious tasks of these structures either. But he plays light music
                  1. Pavel73
                    Pavel73 15 June 2020 11: 43 New
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                    And Falcon Heavy? What is not a heavy transporter? And what prevents him from hanging two or even four more lateral unified blocks? Thus turning it into some kind of "Super Heavy". Before implementing space Wishlist on other planets, you must first make space as affordable as possible for money. Here Musk does it.
                    1. gridasov
                      gridasov 15 June 2020 11: 51 New
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                      Alas, any take-off and flight of a rocket is a very risky and unpredictable process. This is due to a wide range of issues. Even more or equal problems in ensuring the vitality and work ability of people in space. And this can no longer be developed on the basis of old technologies. Therefore, I am personally talking about our fundamentally new types of devices that will simplify and make absolutely reliable the operation of devices for moving in space and flying into space. We are talking about fundamentally new energy devices for providing energy and life to human activities. I'm talking about working with energy density, not adding new engines and blocks
                      1. Pavel73
                        Pavel73 15 June 2020 11: 57 New
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                        Unfortunately, no fundamentally new, in comparison with a kerosene rocket, spacecraft was invented. Everything else is either much more complicated and more expensive (aerospace systems for example), or much dirtier and more dangerous (nuclear missiles).
                      2. gridasov
                        gridasov 15 June 2020 12: 04 New
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                        That's what the conversation is about! Aircraft engines and rocket turbo supercharger fuel must be viewed from scratch. Therefore, for the effective functionality of these devices, it is necessary first of all to consider the possibility of ensuring the continuity of the flow at higher speeds. But for this it is necessary to change the theoretical foundations of the analysis of the high potential outflow of flows. And we offer it. It is necessary not only to talk about the desire to have breakthrough technologies, but also to imply a willingness to tolerate these innovative solutions. At Stanford, the concept of tolerance for crazy ideas was introduced. But if they are also justified then this is a breakthrough. So we are talking about a holistic system of ideas justification-development plan. But in Russia we are not audible
                      3. Pavel73
                        Pavel73 15 June 2020 12: 14 New
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                        That is, do you have a link to familiarize yourself with these ideas?
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 15 June 2020 12: 28 New
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                        It's funny to talk to the program, agree
                        It seems to be a thought, but it eludes.smile
                      5. gridasov
                        gridasov 15 June 2020 12: 41 New
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                        I explain that justifications play no less role than the idea itself. Here I talk in outline. Who in the subject will understand what has been said. Further on the algorithms. The art of talking to everyone, but to be understood by the chosen one, this must be learned. And these are aspects of both personal safety and the safety of future partners.
                      6. Avior
                        Avior 15 June 2020 16: 25 New
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                        comprehend, necessarily comprehend
                        In 2014, only Springer and IEEE publishers removed 120 "scientific" articles generated by SCIgen and published in their scientific journals from 2008 to 2013. Publications of the program came to 30 different scientific conferences [5]. In April 2010, the author of SCIgen generated 102 fake articles and published them on behalf of a fictional author, Ike Antkare. The publications got into the Google Scholar database, and the citation index for Antkar soon rose to 94 points, which made the virtual character at that time the 21st citation by scientists in the world [6].

                        hi
                  2. gridasov
                    gridasov 15 June 2020 12: 37 New
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                    I have . And there is sanity. You want to talk. Then I recommend distinguishing simple thematic conversations from that regarding specific technology issues. The world is full of those who are aware of the importance of new ideas and tension is growing. [email protected] Priority for Russian speakers.
                  3. Avior
                    Avior 15 June 2020 16: 55 New
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                    I'm afraid my interests do not coincide to write technology-specific. smile .
                    I am not engaged in the analysis of any extra large mathematical data or complex physical processes in the field of hydro-gas dynamics, which I can not write about in detail.
                    hi
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 15 June 2020 23: 28 New
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      “Space elevator” - will “gobble up” the “dragon I. Mask”, who is the first to stand the “space elevator”? - there are ideas to build a "space plane" (the plane takes off from the ground from the airport and flies into space). There are ideas (there are many ideas), but who will bring them to life? - who has enough WILL and STR again to “conquer” space.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 June 2020 10: 34 New
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    They did not renew the agreement with Russia relying on their engines, but according to Ukraine, they would run stumbling to conclude an agreement with the collapsed Yuzhmash. This is even beyond surrealism.
    1. cniza
      cniza 15 June 2020 10: 41 New
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      This is Ukraine, they live only dreams ...
  • cniza
    cniza 15 June 2020 10: 39 New
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    powerful high-tech production was on the verge of bankruptcy. In this state, it is already the seventh year.


    I suspect that little is left of him ...
    1. slipped
      slipped 15 June 2020 11: 17 New
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      Quote: cniza
      powerful high-tech production was on the verge of bankruptcy. In this state, it is already the seventh year.


      I suspect that little is left of him ...


      According to its director, 5 and a half thousand people are left to work at Yuzhmash. 55 thousand worked in the USSR. The last ten years to 10 thousand, and in 2014 - 7-8 thousand people. Many in-house technologies are simply sold to Europe and China.
      1. cniza
        cniza 15 June 2020 11: 21 New
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        In general, they finish the rest ...
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 15 June 2020 11: 05 New
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    Exactly our days and these pigs dream of rockets .... funny
    https://www.facebook.com/ElenaLukash.ua/videos/259515098600611/
  • Sviridov777
    Sviridov777 15 June 2020 11: 48 New
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    Dreaming is not harmful. Success in the Soviet past. Development is possible in cooperation. Will those who wish to cooperate with the country of the "eternally green" Maidan - hardly.
  • Andobor
    Andobor 15 June 2020 12: 03 New
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    With GDP per capita less than that of the Papuans, and a grandiose cut in all areas,
    into space only like this:
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 15 June 2020 12: 03 New
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    With the desire and political will, Ukraine could well chop off a piece of space cake now - for example, using technology for launching from airplanes or Sea Launch. But I strongly doubt that there will be such an array of highly professional and unoccupied management.
    So most likely all this is fantasy.
    1. Avior
      Avior 15 June 2020 12: 35 New
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      On the Sea Launch you can forget.
      The Russian government has banned cooperation with Yuzhmash.
      And S7, and Yuzhmash, and Russian enterprises flew by.
      On February 13, 2018, the Director General of S7 Space Transport Systems (a subsidiary of the S7 group) Sergey Sopov told the media that the company ordered Yuzhmash to produce 12 launch vehicles until 2023 inclusive, based on the self-sustainability of the project in 3-4 launches in year. The composition of each Zenith includes a completely manufactured in Russia engine of the first stage RD-171M, a combustion chamber of the second stage, a control system and many other components. In total, about 150 domestic enterprises are involved in cooperation. Their share in cost terms of the cost of the rocket is 80%. Fulfillment of the contract for 12 Zenit will bring half a billion dollars to Russian enterprises [56] ..... In March 2019, the order for the Ukrainian Zenit LV was canceled because S7 Space was unable to agree on the delivery of critical elements from Russia to Ukraine for the production of rockets. [37]
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 15 June 2020 12: 49 New
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        There are still shipyards in Nikolaev, the competence to create rockets is still (albeit partially outdated) - I see no problems in creating neither a platform, nor a carrier. Everything rests on political will - there is infrastructure. Unfortunately, the entire post-Soviet space suffers from some kind of organic suppression of startups, and if it ends somewhere, I will only welcome this.
        1. Avior
          Avior 15 June 2020 13: 02 New
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          That is, on the occasion of the fact that one Sea Launch is bent, do you need to make a new one?
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 15 June 2020 13: 19 New
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            And I do not see other options for Ukraine to become a space power - if such a task would be set. In the east of Ukraine - densely populated areas of the Russian Federation, you can’t especially run. There are no overseas territories like Kuru. If you build a cosmodrome in the west of the country - then the steps will fall, at best, into the Black Sea - and this will definitely not please us, nor Turkey. So either an analogue of the Sea Launch, or aircraft launches and a niche of light carriers.
            Or foreign lease contracts for some sites, of course, for $$$, which, together with logistics, will immediately bury the Ukrainian cosmonautics.
            The very idea of ​​“Sea Launch” is not so bad - there is the possibility of ideal launch points, minimal spaces for theft and corruption, parallel loading of shipbuilding capacities, etc. Cons - light / medium carriers are likely to be the limit, on the other hand, it would be quite suitable for commercial use.
            1. Avior
              Avior 15 June 2020 14: 43 New
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              Polyakov was going to start from the States, from their spaceport.
              This is much easier than doing another Sea Launch.
              It has long been cooperation in space.
  • ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF 15 June 2020 12: 25 New
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    at the largest Ukrainian machine-building enterprise Yuzhmash, it was decided that brilliant opportunities had opened before them.

    NASA and Musk are asleep and see how they make a cache at Yuzhmash.
  • Old26
    Old26 15 June 2020 12: 35 New
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    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: Normal ok
    In fairness, it should be noted that Yuzhmash and Yuzhny have long been involved in the programs of the European Space Agency and NASA. The scale of course is not comparable with the former.

    Then, in fairness (solely for the sake of it), it would probably be worthwhile to name the existing "scale" of cooperation between Yuzhmash and Yuzhnoye Design Bureau with these agencies.

    Ukraine in the person of KB Yuzhny and Yuzhmash takes part in the creation of the 4th stage of the European Vega launch vehicle (R-80). From 13.02.2012 to date, 15 launches of this carrier rocket have been carried out. 2 more are planned this year, one in June, the second in August 2020.
    From 2020 to 2022, it is planned to launch 9 Vega-Ts missiles (Vega-C / P-120C) with the 4th stage of Ukrainian production

    Quote: Flawless
    And I thought that Ukraine has long been a space power. Exactly immediately after the greatest Ukrainians of the Black Sea dug up the space became, Nupra is nothing to land.

    Well, you, in principle, thought correctly. Officially, Ukraine has been a space power since August 31, 1995. When the Cyclone-3 rocket launched the Sich-1 Ukrainian satellite.
    In principle, now the point is in terminology. For example, the European Space Agency ESA. It includes a number of EU countries that themselves do not, for example, a missile, but take part in its creation. They are also considered countries that can be attributed to space powers.

    Quote: Pavel73
    Americans want their own engines. And do not change one foreign supplier to another.

    Quote: parusnik
    As an option, to produce at Yuzhmash ...

    Quote: Pavel73
    Why do they need this?

    Americans already have a fairly large line of their engines. But sometimes it’s profitable to buy something from other countries, and not do it at home. Especially if the number of such engines is not very large. It is more profitable to produce from others than to create a plant with a technological chain that is sometimes alien to them.

    Quote: Rubi0
    Which Ukraine, the Yannel plant, a Russian engineer, did the Russians build and work there to realize their ambitions and needs, in a good way. Russia is gone - needs are gone too, but ambitions remain

    Well, firstly, not Yannel, but Yangel Mikhail Kuzmich. Secondly. The plant never bore the name of Yangel. His name is Yuzhnoye Design Bureau. And the plant - the plant to them. A.M. Makarov (Alexander Maksimovich), who for a quarter of a century was the director of the plant
  • Tatyana Sementsova
    Tatyana Sementsova 15 June 2020 13: 12 New
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    The main thing is to choose the right planet for which Ukrainians will go to live farther from Russia, after the creation of the Ukrainian intergalactic ark named after Stepan Bandera !!!! what
  • askort154
    askort154 15 June 2020 14: 24 New
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    German Press: Ukraine dreams of becoming one of the space powers


    "To dream - do not sharpen your boots"! An old saying.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 June 2020 14: 43 New
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    Well, if after 200 years, when the Bandera savages die out, then maybe.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 15 June 2020 15: 32 New
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    laughing Well, why "Yuzhmashu" directly so to speak .... yes, it doesn’t matter what, the main thing is the Black Live Matter)) Hto no, that snowball!

    Vperde total chemurenga
  • itis
    itis 15 June 2020 22: 08 New
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    not even funny