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"Hidden" Mausoleum: political expediency or attempt to "drape" the history of the Victory

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"Hidden" Mausoleum: political expediency or attempt to "drape" the history of the Victory

A few days before the anniversary Victory Parade, scheduled for June 24, a number of domestic politicians, primarily deputies of the State Duma from the Communist Party, appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin to abandon the practice of the so-called drapery of the Lenin Mausoleum. In this regard, it is worth recalling from what time and for what reason such a "tradition" appeared.


Many today undertake to claim that it starts in 2005, with the celebration of the 60th anniversary of the Victory. This is generally true, but not quite. The starting point should be considered, rather, the year 1997, starting from which the leaders of our state stopped climbing the rostrum of the Mausoleum to host the parade. Either laziness was, or they understood that this height was not on them ... It was from that time that the stage began to be erected near the Mausoleum from which the president, members of the Supreme Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Russia, looked at the military columns passing by.

“Honored guests” ... Here in this phrase most likely lies the explanation of the fact that it was in 2005 that the Mausoleum was first hidden under enormous panels and various designs. All of them, of course, were covered with inscriptions and images befitting the date, but the proud granite colossus from which Stalin admonished the soldiers of the Red Army, who went into battle in 1941 and greeted the victors in 1945, disappeared from the eyes of men.

Still would! “High representatives” of various countries attended that parade that year: German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, Italian leader Silvio Berlusconi, French President Jacques Chirac. As well as no less high-ranking guests from other countries - even the notorious Russophobe, who was then heading Ukraine, Viktor Yushchenko made a mess of himself. And, of course, the most important and, as is customary to say, “landmark”, was that this event was “honored” by US President George W. Bush (Jr.) with his presence.

It is no coincidence that I began the enumeration with the heads of those states that during the years of World War II fought against the USSR and were defeated by its victorious army. Perhaps they did not want to offend their "subtle feelings"? Although, it was rather the head of the White House, which could not appear on television screens and front pages of newspapers against the background of the name, still deeply hated by the West, and the building, which is a symbol of the time when its rulers were forced to reckon with our country in words, but in deed.

At a time when it seemed that the normal coexistence of Russia and the United States, as well as Russia and other NATO countries, it is possible that our country will be allowed to develop and even accept it on equal footing in international affairs, such a step could still be somehow explain. Not to understand, not to justify, not to support, but at least to find for him a clear and pragmatic reason. However, have the geopolitical changes that have occurred since then not dispelled the last vestiges of illusions, if any, in the Kremlin? Why continue the ridiculous practice humiliating for a great country? In the hope that "is still forming"? By inertia?

In 2018, the high-ranking foreign guests of the Victory Parade were Serbian President Alexander Vucic and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. In 2020, the heads of 12 states are expected to arrive, including Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Serbia, etc. It seems that even Donald Trump was invited - so now, because of his cave anti-communism, we’ll hide our plywood again historyour memory? Will there be much honor? Especially after this figure and the people from his team, over and over again, begin to tell that the United States defeated Nazism. So, maybe it's time to remind who, whom, and most importantly, under whose authority and with what banners he won?

Someone very neatly and aptly said: “A parade without a Mausoleum is like a procession without icons ...” The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the country created by Vladimir Lenin, won the Great Patriotic War. The hordes of the Nazi invaders and their allies were defeated by the Soviet people under the leadership of the Communist Party, under the red banner and under the command of Joseph Stalin. Like it today, someone or not, but it was. And the opinion of the West on this matter does not have absolutely any value.

In this anniversary year, the Kremlin, as never before, should have completely rejected the incomprehensible attitude of most Russians towards that time, its realities and its relics. If Victory is our greatest holiday, valor and pride of our people, then its celebration should take place without any regard to anyone "from the other side" and attempts to correct our own history in the spirit of the notorious "political correctness".

The mausoleum is going to be "hidden" this year. Whether this can be called political expediency is a big question, especially considering that the authorities themselves are talking about the need to resist attempts to rewrite, "drape" history, including the history of Victory.

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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 15 June 2020 07: 42 New
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    "Hidden" Mausoleum: political expediency or attempt to "drape" the history of the Victory

    You can distort the history of the country ... but for no one it ended in good things!
    And these catch up, MANDATORY!
    1. Far B
      Far B 15 June 2020 07: 54 New
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      The French never distort their history, they celebrate the day of the capture of the Bastille, and at least henna. Although the Great French Revolution of Horrors spawned more of ours. But they still celebrate and are proud of their past. That's because skiers! But we don’t want as in France ...
      1. WILL
        WILL 15 June 2020 08: 01 New
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        It is unfortunate if the Mausoleum is again “masked”. The approach of the Company of the Honor Guard to the Mausoleum would look very symbolic ... albeit without throwing Nazi banners at its foot, like 75 years ago!
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 15 June 2020 08: 13 New
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          It is unfortunate if the Mausoleum is again “masked”. The approach of the Company of the Honor Guard to the Mausoleum would look very symbolic ...

          They have long fenced off from everyone at whose expense they are fattening. And the "fat" was privatized. It is regrettable, but it has become a trend, hiding his face, exposing indecency.

          let without throwing at its foot Nazi banners, as 75 years ago!

          As the story goes, the last to throw at the foot of the Mausoleum were those banners that are now marching on Red Square.
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 15 June 2020 08: 24 New
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            Quote: lexus
            As the story goes, the last to throw at the foot of the Mausoleum were those banners that are now marching on Red Square.

            Putin’s parade is a popular show that has nothing to do with the 1945 Winners Parade.
            Threat. If it was possible to resurrect the participants of the 45th Parade, then the first people they shot in the same place would be our “beloved” higher “political figures”.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 15 June 2020 08: 35 New
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              If it were possible to resurrect the participants of the 45th Parade, then the first people they shot in the same place would be our “beloved” higher “political figures”.

              Here to the last from the overtaking glorious Soviet past and fight back. Judging by the fact that galoshes have already begun to move, they do not have much time left.
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 15 June 2020 08: 55 New
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                Quote: lexus
                Here to the last from the overtaking glorious Soviet past and fight back. Judging by the fact that galoshes have already begun to move, they do not have much time left.

                Dear Comrade, it is these galoshes that they will eat, giving testimonies against each other in the pre-trial detention center. hi
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 15 June 2020 09: 15 New
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                  it is these galoshes that they will eat, giving testimonies to each other in the pre-trial detention center.

                  They feel that they will not be brought to the pre-trial detention center, and they are pushing with all their might, like bed bugs, on runny legs, hoping in vain to jump over the Soviet History, which is always striving forward, back to the Middle Ages.
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 15 June 2020 09: 51 New
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                    The mausoleum is going to be "hidden" this year. Can this be called political expediency

                    That is exactly what you should call. And how else to take the parade to those who stand under the Vlasov flag? Well, not at the Mausoleum of V.I. Lenin!

                    Power itself shows through its actionsreal place in historical parallels. To see this is not at all difficult. You just need to be careful.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 15 June 2020 11: 21 New
                      +5
                      .... and how else .... the Vlasov flag ........
                      respected Stas157!
                      I like your comment, but this is not the Vlasov flag. Recently, in the rubric of history, there was an article about Wrangel, his portrait on the background of which flag?
                      There is also an article by Shpakovsky about this flag, somehow armored train United Russia, in my September 2016 ..... also on white posters .....
                      In general, dear comrades, a search engine to help you.
                      1. Stas157
                        Stas157 15 June 2020 16: 12 New
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                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Only here is not the Vlasov flag.

                        Indeed, the tricolor was used not only by Vlasov. The kings also had such a flag. But in 1917 the tsarist autocracy was over.

                        Historical significance assigned by the last significant event. And the events are as follows - the enemies of the USSR used the tricolor in the last two wars. In the Civil and World War II. Both were the worst and most bloody in the entire history of our state. And most importantly - we are discussing the victory parade in the Second World War, and then (as I don’t know now) the Vlasov flag was exactly on the opposite side. hi
                      2. Alf
                        Alf 15 June 2020 20: 08 New
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                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        somehow armored train United Russia,

                    2. DVR
                      DVR 15 June 2020 20: 05 New
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                      That is exactly what you should call. And how else to take the parade to those who stand under the Vlasov flag?

                      I don’t understand why all the Vlasovites call the Russian flag Vlasov?
                    3. Procopius Nesterov
                      Procopius Nesterov 25 June 2020 08: 55 New
                      -1
                      Stas157 only Russophobes and Vlasovites call the flag of Russia Vlasov. Communist Vlasov general of the red army. And for your information, Rosenberg approved the Andreev flag for the ROA and not the tricolor.
                  2. hydrox
                    hydrox 19 June 2020 19: 09 New
                    +1
                    By the way, the shameful tradition of drapery of the Mausoleum is NOTHING better than the liberal interpretation of Russian History, while at the same time not becoming less shameful.
                2. waleri
                  waleri 16 June 2020 05: 37 New
                  +6
                  Hello! Will not! Why? Because they amended the CONSTITUTION on the ex-president’s jurisdiction! That's it, yep, do what you want, it’s all the same. It’s bad for the people! I think so
                  1. Andrey Stavropolsky
                    Andrey Stavropolsky 16 June 2020 08: 57 New
                    +3
                    Imagine yourself in the place of the president, your orders, decrees, laws, including to destroy people, groups, etc. Do you think you will live long after leaving your post?
              2. Private89
                Private89 21 June 2020 19: 13 New
                +2
                Even after death, they fear and hate Lenin, because he showed that another world, a world without the exploitation of man by man, a world where the dignity of man is not determined by the amount of money in his account, where man is friend to man, comrade and brother, a world where thieves and speculators sit in prison, rather than governing society, is possible. And this fear does not give them rest, they are mortally afraid and do not bring us ordinary people, because we, like 100 years ago, using the teachings of Marx, Engels, Lenin on the liberation of the proletariat, can dare to take away their ideal world, their paradise, the paradise built at our expense, our labor and sweat.
            2. Mar.Tirah
              Mar.Tirah 15 June 2020 09: 02 New
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              Quote: Malyuta
              Putin’s parade is a popular show that has nothing to do with the 1945 Winners Parade.

              Well, at least he’s doing something. The truth is I don’t understand how you can respect and dislike the winners at the same time, dividing them into political classes. The Soviet government and Lenin are bad, and the Soviet soldier who fought and defended this Soviet power is good? And he it makes the big half of young people think so. Okay, liberals are whom he refers to as dissidents, but does the majority of active youth believe him? Just yesterday I watched ITON TV, where Kedmi smashed Putin’s remarks about Lenin and attempts to demolish the Mausoleum.
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 15 June 2020 09: 37 New
                +5
                I always admire Y. Kedmi! REAL EXPERT, and not afraid to express his opinion.
              2. Malyuta
                Malyuta 15 June 2020 09: 40 New
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                Quote: Mar. Tira
                True, I don’t understand how it is possible to respect and not love the winners at the same time, dividing them into political classes. The Soviet government and Lenin are bad, and the Soviet soldier who fought and defended this Soviet power well? And he makes so much of the young people think so .

                This is the false patriotism, which screamers are overwhelmed with.
            3. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 15 June 2020 09: 06 New
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              Quote: Malyuta
              If it were possible to resurrect the participants of the 45th Parade, then the first people they shot in the same place would be our “beloved” higher “political figures”.

              Zyuganov, Grudinin, Yeltsin (pulled out from the grave), Gorbachov and the rest of the Central Committee of the CPSU, the top ... All to the guillotine. And also all kinds of current com. desks of figures ...
              1. a.hamster55
                a.hamster55 15 June 2020 09: 24 New
                -26
                There is a commissioner for the trench and approaches the machine gunner.
                - Comrade Ivanov! Why not shoot?
                - So there are no cartridges!
                “Well, you are a communist!”
              2. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 16 June 2020 13: 40 New
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                Quote: 30 vis
                Zyuganov, Grudinin, Yeltsin (pulled out of the grave), Gorbachov

                Minusants came running ... See you! How Gorbachev and Grudinin came to the defense! Fighters for the honor of Yeltsin and Zyuganov am .
            4. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 15 June 2020 13: 46 New
              -7
              Question:
              If
              Putin’s parade is a popular show that has nothing to do with the 1945 Winners Parade.

              then why was the melody of Alexandrov chosen as the music of the anthem of Russia?
              Why not Glinka?
              Are you sure that he will ever become one? For this, in your opinion, a vote has been initiated?
            5. Podvodnik
              Podvodnik 16 June 2020 20: 56 New
              0
              whom would they shoot there


              Shot? No. This is too "chivalrous." To shoot .... After the Nuremberg trial, the prisoners were hanged?
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 15 June 2020 08: 26 New
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            Quote: lexus
            As the story goes, the last to throw at the foot of the Mausoleum were those banners that are now marching on Red Square.

            This is all foresight ... but these banners will also become the history of Russia. Everything will go to the museum, because it’s IMPOSSIBLE to DELETE ANYTHING from the history!
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 15 June 2020 08: 23 New
          0
          Quote: ANIMAL
          The approach of the Company of the Honor Guard to the Mausoleum would look very symbolic ... even if without throwing Nazi banners at its foot, like 75 years ago!

          Symbolically! But, real banners, this is all a rarity, a museum exhibit !!! and we don’t need a remake ...
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 June 2020 08: 26 New
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          Quote: ANIMAL
          The approach of the Company of the Honor Guard to the Mausoleum would look very symbolic ... albeit without throwing Nazi banners at its foot, like 75 years ago!

          And it would be possible to throw the Nazi banners at the foot of the Mausoleum. Remind everyone who won the Victory.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 15 June 2020 08: 50 New
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            And it would be possible to throw the Nazi banners at the foot of the Mausoleum.

            They were burned in the First Parade. If they are concocted in a new way, I’m sure that there will be tricks that will begin to take selfies with this abomination. "Shish kebabs" on the Eternal Flame is a confirmation of this.

            Remind everyone who won the Victory.

            Who! The defeatists raising their paws, sculpting memorial plaques to the “mudderheim” and memorials to the Italian fascists? Who will then take them to the "alternate aerodromes"?
        4. knn54
          knn54 15 June 2020 08: 29 New
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          To be ashamed of their history is a sign not inherent in the Great Stainless.
          V.I. Lenin must not see to whom TODAY belongs the land, factories, factories.
          1. a.hamster55
            a.hamster55 15 June 2020 10: 43 New
            -9
            But I was upset and ashamed when in 1985 in Magdeburg, a crowd of Soviet tourists swept away all the shoes in a department store. The saleswoman looked perplexedly at the remaining two units of shoes of different sizes but on one leg. Should it be inherent in the Great Stainless?
            1. tatra
              tatra 15 June 2020 14: 32 New
              12
              And what should be inherent in a great power in the opinion of critics of the USSR, who have ruined all branches of the country with their “work”? What do you boast about after the destruction of the USSR -import, fakes for Soviet products -but and a lot and without queues?
            2. Mongoose
              Mongoose 16 June 2020 19: 31 New
              +3
              It should, on the contrary, be glad of the proceeds)))))) Fritz is not so broad in heart to buy shoes for now and outgrowth laughing laughing
        5. AUL
          AUL 15 June 2020 09: 28 New
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          Quote: ANIMAL
          It is unfortunate if the Mausoleum is again “masked”.

          You see, if you take a parade from the mausoleum, then people can begin to compare. I.V. Stalin at the mausoleum ... V.V. Putin at the mausoleum ...
          No, this is decidedly impossible!
        6. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 15 June 2020 10: 18 New
          +5
          Quote: ANIMAL
          It is unfortunate if the Mausoleum is again “masked”.

          I am a categorical opponent of "draping" the Mausoleum.
          But also to these ... (You know who I am.) And especially against the representatives of the West rising to the rostrum of the Mausoleum. Place them separately so as not to get dirty.
        7. novel66
          novel66 15 June 2020 11: 17 New
          0
          well, why without throwing ... in the Donbass you can borrow, for such a case
        8. Pereira
          Pereira 15 June 2020 15: 59 New
          -2
          with a call to abandon the practice of the so-called drapery of the Mausoleum of Vladimir Lenin.

          And replace with regular drapery.
      2. captain
        captain 15 June 2020 08: 17 New
        +2
        Yes, but the French are not crap on their past. And they are proud of both Napoleon and their kings and castles. And why did the Bolsheviks demolish monuments to all outstanding figures of Russia? Where are the monuments to those who perished during World War I? Ushakov’s grave was destroyed, Bagration was destroyed, Skobelev was destroyed ... and you can list it indefinitely. They and the city do not change the name for the sake of the ruling party. And we have? Everything was corroded from the minds of Russian people. I asked (I taught at a higher education institution at one time), what was the name of the city of Volgograd previously called? Everyone knows that Stalingrad. And what was it called until 1? No one answered. These are the lovers of Russian history and educated the people. For example, do you know who closed all the historical and philosophical faculties in Soviet Russia? Who forbade teaching the history of Russia in schools? And who and when again allowed? Answer if there is a desire.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 15 June 2020 08: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: captain
          Yes, but the French are not crap on their past.

          So far, yes, because the FRENCH themselves ... but behind them, too, "a certain track is creeping" and nothing is clear what is happening now!
          Many new authorities \ rulers, began with the destruction of sometimes reaching go \ Y \ tism! They learn such customs from the mistakes of the past, they don’t want to ... so then they “catch up” with them all .... “jokes with history” end the same way!
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 15 June 2020 08: 35 New
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          Quote: captain
          I asked (I taught at a higher education institution at one time), what was the name of the city of Volgograd previously called? Everyone knows that Stalingrad. And what was it called until 1925? No one answered.

          You are joking? from whom and where did you ask? In the history textbook, the defense of CARICINE was covered quite normally ... in the same place, Comrade Stalin led !!! Yes, and historical names in the city are easy to find.
        3. New
          New Year day 15 June 2020 08: 42 New
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          Quote: captain
          Answer if there is a desire.

          I don’t know who closed these faculties, but I read that now the history of the Second World War in the textbook takes 2 pages and 6 pages, about the role of America in the war
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 15 June 2020 11: 11 New
            -3
            Quote: Silvestr
            I don’t know who closed these faculties, but I read that now the history of the Second World War in the textbook takes 2 pages and 6 pages, about the role of America in the war

            Yeah, in American textbooks only.
        4. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 15 June 2020 11: 03 New
          -3
          Quote: captain
          Yes, but the French are not crap on their past. And they are proud of both Napoleon and their kings and castles. And why did the Bolsheviks demolish monuments to all outstanding figures of Russia? Where are the monuments to those who perished during World War I? Ushakov’s grave was destroyed, Bagration was destroyed, Skobelev was destroyed ... and you can list it indefinitely. They and the city do not change the name for the sake of the ruling party.

          If you think the French approach is right, then maybe you should start with yourself and refrain from similar, divorced from the historical context accusatory attacks against our history?
        5. Andrey Stavropolsky
          Andrey Stavropolsky 16 June 2020 19: 37 New
          -4
          Sovkodrochecher no such thoughts. Their minds are splashing around in the framework of 17-91gg. And in fact, the period of the late 60s to the mid 80s when the social paradise was celebrated is sung.
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 15 June 2020 08: 21 New
        -1
        Quote: Far In
        The French never distort their history, they celebrate the day of the capture of the Bastille, and at least henna.

        I would not say that they are not catching up with anything at all ... there, and everywhere, they find what else to distort, except for history.
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 15 June 2020 08: 24 New
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        Quote: Far In
        But they still celebrate and are proud of their past.

        Forgetting the past, we forget our ancestors, we forget our identity, we forget ourselves.
      5. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 15 June 2020 09: 07 New
        +9
        Quote: Far In
        The French never distort their history, they celebrate the day of the capture of the Bastille, and at least henna. Although the Great French Revolution of Horrors spawned more of ours. But they still celebrate and are proud of their past. That's because skiers! But we don’t want as in France ...

        The French do not refuse from the horrors of the Revolution either, nor do they cry from the abolition of the estates, and from the execution of the monarch and his wife. Do not call for repentance about this! And still own Guiana and the islands in the Pacific and Indian!
        And the British do not repent of the execution of "" black Jack "", nor of the Glorious Revolution!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 June 2020 09: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Reptiloid
          And the British do not repent of the execution of "" black Jack "", nor of the Glorious Revolution!

          But already the monuments began to demolish.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 15 June 2020 11: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            ..... But already the monuments began to demolish.

            Actually, yes, but they are not ashamed of their revolutions! laughing
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 15 June 2020 13: 32 New
              +2
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Actually, yes, but they are not ashamed of their revolutions!

              His story cannot be ashamed.
      6. Svarog
        Svarog 15 June 2020 11: 05 New
        +7
        Quote: Far In
        The French never distort their history, celebrate the day of the capture of the Bastille, and even henna

        Because the French are proud of their history, and the Vlasovites are afraid .. they understand that they betrayed and are afraid.
      7. Civil
        Civil 15 June 2020 11: 41 New
        10
        Grandfather Volodya wants to see with friends and guests of elephants and tanks how shameful you are not ashamed to be ashamed of him ... fu to be like that ... request
      8. Podvodnik
        Podvodnik 16 June 2020 20: 52 New
        0
        celebrate and be proud of their past anyway


        Well done. They do not want to spit on their ancestors. Are proud of.
        It’s interesting, but are they also proud of the fact that Paris passed the 2nd World War without a fight?
    2. captain
      captain 15 June 2020 08: 20 New
      -22
      I agree with you. That was distorted after the revolution and the result is obvious. In our country, the majority of people believe that Siberia and the Far East annexed Lenin to the USSR. And Sverdlovsk built Sverdlov.
      1. Far B
        Far B 15 June 2020 08: 32 New
        25
        I’ll tell you a terrible secret: both the Siberia and the Far East were joined by Lenin. To Russia is another question. And where do you live, if it’s not a secret, that most of your people think that Sverdlovsk was built by Sverdlov, and at the same time does not know what Stalingrad was called until 1925? What a selective awareness!
        And one more secret, especially for you. The French renamed. They even got to the calendar. A certain citizen of Louis Saint-Cyr turned out to be a citizen of Nobody. Ask why.
      2. kjhg
        kjhg 15 June 2020 08: 42 New
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        Quote: captain
        That was distorted after the revolution and the result is obvious.

        Which face? The Soviets only took up the power that lay on the ground. The kings praised by you brought the country to a natural collapse, and only the people's power that came in October 1917 did not allow it to be torn to pieces. Having received a country with a plow, the councils you hated raised its greatness to an unprecedented level. And now, after 1990, your anti-people government has once again torn apart all its greatness. And, yes, the kings joined Siberia and the Far East, but they mastered and settled its advice. And now people are fleeing from there again, as if from a cursed place. A worthless, rotten power in its powerlessness can only scold the Soviets and lie, lie, lie. Ugh on them and those who support her
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 June 2020 13: 41 New
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          Quote: kjhg
          The kings praised by you brought the country to a natural collapse, and only the people's power that came in October 1917 did not allow it to be torn to pieces.

          The kings brought the country to an end, and the beloved democrats, led by Kerensky, simply ruined it.
      3. New
        New Year day 15 June 2020 08: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: captain
        I agree with you. That was distorted after the revolution and the result is obvious. In our country, the majority of people believe that Siberia and the Far East annexed Lenin to the USSR. And Sverdlovsk built Sverdlov.
      4. a.hamster55
        a.hamster55 15 June 2020 08: 50 New
        -21
        For me, the mausoleum is a burial place. And according to military rituals: - when lowering the coffin, a threefold salute is made; - at the end of the burial, troops pass near the grave in a solemn march. Nevertheless, Nadot must bury the leader humanly and the debate will run out by itself.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 June 2020 13: 48 New
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          Quote: a.hamster55
          For me, the mausoleum is a burial place.

          And for me, the Soviet man, the Mausoleum is a heroic personification of our people, especially on November 7, 1941, when soldiers went straight from the Parade to the front, and on June 24, 1945, when defeated fascist standards flew to the foot of the Mausoleum, and our fathers and grandfathers passed near the mausoleum.
          1. tatra
            tatra 15 June 2020 14: 41 New
            +6
            The attitude towards Lenin in the post-Soviet period is even more important than under the USSR. He clearly defines who in the USSR is for the BEST State for his country and the majority of the people, except for criminals and worthless parasites on the neck of the people, -SSSR, and for those who are worse than the USSR State for his country and most of the people, what was The Russian Empire, and became degraded, impoverished, endangered "independence-independence" in the territory of the former USSR.
          2. Andrey Stavropolsky
            Andrey Stavropolsky 16 June 2020 19: 43 New
            -3
            Some kind of nonsense in your head. The mausoleum is only part of the area. If he was not there, then the troops passed in the same place as then then now. And the German banners were thrown off somewhere else. What does Lenin and the mausoleum have to do with it?
    3. zenion
      zenion 15 June 2020 14: 54 New
      13
      But at the foot of the Mausoleum they threw flags, etc., of the states defeated by the Red Army and the Soviet people. Putin appropriated the victory, and Lenin was his personal enemy, he planted a bomb under the country stolen by the bourgeoisie.
    4. Shelest2000
      Shelest2000 15 June 2020 17: 40 New
      +8
      The current Kremlin power in no way refers to the Victory. Rather, the opposite. It is enough to recall a commemorative plaque to the killer of Leningrad Mannerheim, a monument to Hitler’s General Krasnov, SS General and Punisher Shkuro, loud statements about the need for rehabilitation of General Vlasov and his accomplices. T.ch. the actions of the authorities to drape the Lenin Mausoleum on Victory Day are perfectly clear - he is not their leader and this is not their holiday.
    5. Vicontas
      Vicontas 15 June 2020 20: 13 New
      0
      “Whoever shoots the past with a pistol, the future shoots with a gun!” - R. Gamzatov.
    6. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert 16 June 2020 07: 46 New
      +6
      Our authorities are trying to drape not only the Mausoleum on Red Square.
      She is trying to hide, hide the meaning of a certain article in our new Constitution, which describes the procedure for electing the President of the Russian Federation.
      I'm about article 81, paragraph 3, subparagraph 1.
      I read it several times.
      It seems to be written in Russian, but the meaning is slipping away.
      Here is this casuistry masterpiece:
      3.1. The provision of Part 3 of Article 81 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, limiting the number of terms during which the same person may hold the office of the President of the Russian Federation, applies to a person holding and (or) holding the office of the President of the Russian Federation, without taking into account the number of terms, during whom he held and (or) holds this position at the time the amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation enters into force, introducing an appropriate restriction, and does not exclude the possibility for him to hold the office of the President of the Russian Federation for the periods allowed by this provision.
      Well, how do you like the drapery?
      David Copperfield is resting! Watch your hands carefully ...
      Authorities not only the Mausoleum drape. They drape our minds.
      I'd like to rule forever. It’s terrible for the good “acquired by overwork”.
      The image of Elbasy shines on the horizon ... wink
  2. Far B
    Far B 15 June 2020 07: 44 New
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    this height is not for them
    that's for sure. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. But the mausoleum will not be draped anyway. He will be a direct reproach to the current government. The Soviet leadership from the stands of the mausoleum acted on really great occasions, in honor of the next achievements, which were enough. But there’s nothing to brag about today. So the lower they are, the less noticeable they are.
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 15 June 2020 08: 06 New
      41
      Quote: Far In
      But the mausoleum will not be draped anyway. He will be a direct reproach to the current government.

      Everything is easier. From the mausoleum, the ITT Victory Parade was accepted. And the dwarfs in the shadow of the giant are uncomfortable.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 15 June 2020 08: 19 New
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        And the dwarfs in the shadow of the giant are uncomfortable.

        It is scary that the shadow can fall and crush.
        1. depressant
          depressant 15 June 2020 08: 35 New
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          Yes, the scale of personalities today went wrong. The personality is now vile, puffy and unworthy of the amount of money stolen from the working population by the exploitation of the Soviet legacy. The legacy is still used, and the Mausoleum is draped. It would be logical to drape the people who climbed it to hold the Victory Parade, and leave the Mausoleum open. If I really want to, I can’t curtain something because of the obvious incompatibility with the history of my country.
          1. edmed
            edmed 15 June 2020 09: 35 New
            +7
            Quote: depressant
            Yes, the scale of personalities today went wrong.

            "Was there a cult, yes it was, but there was a personality!" and the current ...
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            And the dwarfs in the shadow of the giant are uncomfortable.

            good love
        2. New
          New Year day 15 June 2020 08: 50 New
          14
          Quote: lexus
          the shadow may fall and crush.

          That is why the portrait was banned - all comparisons are not in their favor
      2. a.hamster55
        a.hamster55 15 June 2020 09: 19 New
        -22
        Those. do you think Lenin is a dwarf in the shadow of Stalin? So let's change the burial place, because Stalin did more for the Victory.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 June 2020 15: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Far In
      that's for sure. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. And the mausoleum still does not rape

      Here in the photo above, May 9, 2019, even the red star was made halfway, it is clear that this is not casual.
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 15 June 2020 07: 46 New
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    Why continue the ridiculous practice humiliating for a great country?
    This is an unanswered question! Keep silent those in power ....
    1. 210ox
      210ox 15 June 2020 07: 53 New
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      The thing is that we do not ask this question. They have other sources of information. Even if you ask such a question in the forehead, the president will either laugh it off (the notorious Soviet galoshes), or begin to talk about new times, landmarks .. Yes, they do not care. The wrong people got caught.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 15 June 2020 08: 28 New
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        So they asked a question ...
        A few days before the anniversary Victory Parade, scheduled for June 24, a number of domestic politicians, primarily deputies of the State Duma from the Communist Party, appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin to abandon the practice of the so-called drapery of the Lenin Mausoleum
        The goldfish did not answer, just waved its tail request
        1. kepmor
          kepmor 15 June 2020 08: 34 New
          +8
          He seems to be doing it on purpose ... so that everyone doesn’t roam there ... they don’t scratch marble ... he saves for himself ... so to speak ... housekeeping ...
          the first three to change is not a problem ...
        2. New
          New Year day 15 June 2020 08: 54 New
          12
          Quote: NDR-791
          The goldfish did not answer, just waved its tail

          It reminds me of a scene with a cow in the Tu-23 bomb bay in a famous film. As the commander said, you want to live and you will not get up. And if you want to live well and forever?
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 June 2020 15: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: NDR-791
          The goldfish did not answer, just waved its tail

          Here is the answer of the "goldfish". The time of worthy Victory Parades is over, other parades have begun.
      2. Alf
        Alf 15 June 2020 20: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        Even if you ask such a question in the forehead, the president will either laugh it off (the notorious Soviet galoshes), or start talking about new times, landmarks ..


  4. To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 15 June 2020 07: 57 New
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    On November 7, 1941, on the main square of the country, a traditional military parade was held in honor of the anniversary of the October Revolution. But this parade was a special, turning point in the history of Russia, as well as the Great Patriotic and World War II: the whole world saw that the Red Army and the Soviet Union were determined to defend their homeland under any circumstances

    They bullied
    -Soviet history:
    The Great October Revolution
    -the great victory of the Soviet people in World War II
    They accustom. Probably. To the idea of ​​the uselessness of the mausoleum for the Russian Federation on Red Square (Overton's window). Then we are surprised at the rewriting of history in the West of World War 2 ... We ourselves give reasons for this ..
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 15 June 2020 08: 10 New
      27
      Quote: To be or not to be
      They bullied
      -Soviet history:
      The Great October Revolution
      -the great victory of the Soviet people in World War II

      This is our story. A great story. It is necessary to be proud, and not to hide bashfully.
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 15 June 2020 13: 18 New
        +2
        Our History has long been buried ...
        The parade should be May 9 on Victory Day, and
        June 24th is a historic date
        - Parade of WINNERS !!!, ....
    2. captain
      captain 15 June 2020 08: 23 New
      -20
      I know for sure that Russia was before 1917. And the vast territory and mineral reserves of the USSR inherited from the Russia that you hate.
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 15 June 2020 08: 58 New
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        A mansion, bourgeois yes. But is it a bunch of nobles and moneybags is that Russia? Millions of Russian soldiers are fighting in the fields of the Great War, for the interests of the same backbones, workers creating surplus value with hard work, peasants plowing their hands in the fields here is Russia. The people, threw off the burials, established the most fair laws on planet Earth. The most important ones, who do not work, do not eat, an equal start from birth and a ban on personal enrichment. The cornerstones of a society of equals.
        Ruined Temples, demolished monuments savagery. Only from fools and provocateurs, at an early stage in changing the world, there is no where to go. Then they cleaned it.
        1. edmed
          edmed 15 June 2020 09: 52 New
          -2
          Quote: Essex62
          Ruined Temples, demolished monuments savagery.

          And let’s look at America, what’s happening is just social unrest, but the monuments that fell in Russia for 17 years are changing social relations, it’s clear that there was a frenzy and the euphoria “We will destroy the whole world of violence ...” but with the passing of time and events the frenzy passed .
      2. polar fox
        polar fox 15 June 2020 11: 11 New
        +6
        Quote: captain
        And the vast territory and mineral reserves of the USSR inherited from the Russia that you hate.

        og ... reserves. who disposed of oil. and to whom did the platinum and gold mines belong to the king? and whose piece of iron was? .. It’s not worth the bile spit, well, if not a descendant of the “counts and princes”, of course ...
    3. Vitaly Tsymbal
      Vitaly Tsymbal 15 June 2020 08: 30 New
      14
      They didn’t bother, they ZEROZED it ... otherwise their significance in history will be invisible with historical significance (no matter whether their understanding of the significance in history is positive or negative for everyone) of Lenin, Stalin, and even Brezhnev.
      1. Alf
        Alf 15 June 2020 20: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
        They didn’t bother, they ZEROZED it ... otherwise their significance in history will be invisible with historical significance (no matter whether their understanding of the significance in history is positive or negative for everyone) of Lenin, Stalin, and even Brezhnev.

    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 June 2020 08: 36 New
      15
      Quote: To be or not to be
      They are accustoming. Probably to the idea of ​​the uselessness of the mausoleum for the Russian Federation on Red Square

      You are right, they want our children, grandchildren and the next generation, to be as “not remembering their kinship” as the generation of the West, so that we walk under the flags of the LGBT people and ask for forgiveness (for what?) On a different rabble on our knees, destroy would have their own monuments, as is now done in the United States and Western countries.
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    7. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 June 2020 15: 29 New
      +6
      Quote: To be or not to be
      Then we are surprised at the rewriting of history in the West of World War 2 ... We ourselves give reasons for this ..

      This is the Victory Parade of the Soviet people on May 09, 1945

      And this is also a parade on May 09, 2019, but not a victory
  5. svp67
    svp67 15 June 2020 07: 59 New
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    "Hidden" Mausoleum: political expediency or attempt to "drape" the history of the Victory
    This is not an attempt, but a purposeful policy, to extinct from the history of the USSR. To show the mausoleum at the parade of the NZYA, in the films to say "I serve the Soviet Union" - NZYA, although this answer has become mandatory for the Red Army and Red Navy since 1937 ... and so on, etc.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 15 June 2020 08: 11 New
      13
      Quote: svp67
      pronouncing "Serving the Soviet Union" in films is not an option, although this answer has become mandatory for Red Army men and Red Navy men since 1937 ...

      There is an opinion that the phrase "I Serve the Labor People" was replaced at the end of 1937 by the Charter of the Red Army Internal Service with "I Serve the Soviet Union" (approved by order of the People's Commissar of Defense of the Soviet Union Voroshilov dated 21.12.1937/260/1943 No. 31), it was replaced only in 1937 , but there is no official evidence for this, so you need to believe in what really existed, and this Charter is the main law for the Army. Namely, article XNUMX of the UVS - XNUMX, which states:



      It is only clear that while the UVS reached the troops, and this is several months, the phrase "Serving the Labor People" was used for some time in the Red Army, no more ...
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 15 June 2020 08: 31 New
      12
      what the Nazis did not succeed, now without a fight.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 June 2020 08: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      pronouncing "Serving the Soviet Union" in films is not an option, although this answer has become mandatory for Red Army men and Red Navy men since 1937.

      Yes disappear from the films and "Serving the working people."
  6. Doccor18
    Doccor18 15 June 2020 08: 05 New
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    The mausoleum for the adoption of the parade ceased to rise the leaders of our state. Either laziness was, or they understood that it was not their height

    They never grow, they hide ...
    Donald Trump was invited - so now, because of his cave anti-communism, to hide our history, our memory again under plywood? Will there be much honor?

    Yes, they do not hide the Mausoleum from Trump’s eyes, but from their eyes. In 3,5 years, there will be 100 years from the death of the Leader, and to this day they are afraid of him, they are afraid of his name, they are afraid of his Mausoleum ...
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 15 June 2020 08: 26 New
      -16
      Quote: Doccor18
      Yes, they do not hide the Mausoleum from Trump’s eyes, but from their eyes. In 3,5 years, there will be 100 years from the death of the Leader, and to this day they are afraid of him, they are afraid of his name, they are afraid of his Mausoleum ...

      I do not welcome this drapery. But let's argue sensibly, we would be afraid, as you say, of the Mausoleum, they would have already been demolished long ago. They would cover for a start under a plausible pretext (for repair) for a couple of years they stood and quietly dismantled. No problems, no sensations, no popular anger. So loud pathos is redundant here. Here he is just an attempt to once again humiliate his own leadership, similar to what we see every day from behind the hill. Remarkable, isn't it? By the way, Khrushchev, who threw Stalin out of the Mausoleum and laid the foundation for the collapse of international communist solidarity, also considered himself a loyal Leninist. So, people of different sizes ascended to the Mausoleum ... There were big ones, but there were quite a few ...
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 15 June 2020 08: 33 New
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        It would have been demolished long ago.

        It would have been demolished long ago, but that's bad luck. The elderly generation, which is the backbone of voting in all kinds of elections, will not support this.
        And young people have not voted for a long time.
        Demolished, only later. When will the generation that knew who V.I. Lenin is gone.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 15 June 2020 08: 46 New
          -11
          Quote: Doccor18
          The elderly generation, which is the backbone of voting in all kinds of elections, will not support this.

          That’s not at all a fact ... Lenin’s adherents are the Communist Party’s electorate, so they won’t have a strong influence on the current ruling elite. At one time, the Temple of KhS in the city center was blown up, a pool was made in its place - and no excesses. So in this case there is something other than just fear and pressure of mercantile feelings ...
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 15 June 2020 08: 56 New
            +5
            Adherents of Lenin-the Communist Party electorate

            I have never associated the modern Communist Party with Lenin.
            their time the Temple of KhS in the city center was blown up

            Well, you compared! 31st year. Another time. Party line to eradicate tsarism and religion, etc.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 15 June 2020 09: 39 New
              -7
              Quote: Doccor18
              Well, you compared! 31st year. Another time. Party line to eradicate tsarism and religion, etc.

              So what? It’s all the difference that the regime you hate blows your epithets and allows you to insult him in public space. In 1931, you would probably suffer for less, and perhaps very .... Your opinion would be somewhat different, I think.
            2. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 15 June 2020 15: 01 New
              +1
              Did everyone else fight only by handing out gifts to their opponents?
          2. Insurgent
            Insurgent 15 June 2020 08: 58 New
            +8
            Quote: Hagen
            Adherents of Lenin are the Communist Party’s electorate, so they won’t have a strong influence on the current ruling elite.


            Take it all "to the practical plane"? "Elections", "electorate", "ratings" and as a result - power to steal ...

            Have you forgotten about the memory of the people’s, self-identification of the nation, with the great state - the USSR?
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 15 June 2020 09: 29 New
              -13
              Quote: Insurgent
              "Elections", "electorate", "ratings" and as a result - power to steal ...

              People in power have always stolen, and the current ones are no exception. That’s the principle by which you put ratings and the electorate as the reasons for theft - it’s not entirely clear.
              Quote: Insurgent
              Have you forgotten about the memory of the people’s, self-identification of the nation, with the great state - the USSR?

              And when the monument to Dzerzhinsky was brought down to the ground under the whistle of the same people, didn’t you remember the memory? No? Say - I did not bring down? So the Mausoleum will be dealt with without you and many others ... Only I think that the country of Russia is more than separate, albeit great, personalities. Yes, Lenin did not create a nation, no matter how it might have been for anyone.
              Quote: Insurgent
              with a great state - USSR

              I also consider the USSR Great. Because this is my youth, no matter how contradictory it may be. But let's be objective, great states live for centuries. USSR - did not live a hundred years. Here is Russia, indeed, a great country.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 15 June 2020 15: 04 New
                +3
                The trawl is blablabla.
                Quote: Hagen
                Here is Russia, indeed, a great country.

                Actually, I would immediately say that everything suits you now. And why not carry any demagogic snowstorm.
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 15 June 2020 16: 26 New
                  -8
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Actually, I would immediately say that everything suits you now. And why not carry any demagogic snowstorm.

                  Rudeness instead of arguments is a characteristic feature of the sect of "witnesses of the Central Committee of the CPSU" ...
          3. tatra
            tatra 15 June 2020 14: 49 New
            +5
            The huge open-air Moscow pool, which was destroyed by the enemies of the Communists, was much more beneficial to Muscovites than your XXC business center.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 16 June 2020 16: 03 New
              -5
              Quote: tatra
              The huge open-air Moscow pool, which was destroyed by the enemies of the Communists, was much more beneficial to Muscovites than your XXC business center.

              I said this to the fact that at the time of the destruction of the HHS, the entire population of Moscow was at least baptized, and the Communists did not give a damn about the opinion of this people. Actually, you do not care about him today, judging by the comment. But you are stubbornly trying to reinforce your rejection of the draping of the Mausoleum with the opinion and memory of the people. You are elementary double-dealing. For some reason, you have the opinion of one part of the people, the citizens of your state are not worth anything, and some other part of the population is a priority. You do not tolerate dissent even today. I can imagine what they would do once in power !!! They would fill the country with blood without flinching ...
          4. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 June 2020 23: 08 New
            +2
            Quote: Hagen
            At one time, the Temple of KhS in the city center was blown up, a pool was made in its place - and no excesses.

            Yes? And what is it that some comrades gathered for the pool - is that so?
      2. Doccor18
        Doccor18 15 June 2020 08: 40 New
        +9
        an attempt to once again humiliate their own leadership ...

        Try to humiliate Peter I, Napoleon, Roosevelt, Stalin, Ataturk, Deng Xiaoping and other great rulers. In the best case, it will be ludicrous, in the worst it can be beaten by representatives of these peoples.
        The great cannot be humbled.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 15 June 2020 09: 35 New
          -16
          Quote: Doccor18
          Try to humiliate Peter I, Napoleon, Roosevelt, Stalin, Ataturk, Deng Xiaoping and other great rulers

          More recently, on the same resource, the flag of Peter was called "Vlasov", Regarding Stalin - read the materials of the 20th Congress of the same Leninist party. Few? And then, we talk about very subjective matters. These disputes, I think, will last more than a dozen years. More importantly, while humiliating your current government, you are working according to the plan of our "supposedly friends ...." with all the ensuing consequences.
          1. Karabin
            Karabin 15 June 2020 10: 48 New
            +8
            Quote: Hagen
            More importantly, while humiliating your current government, you are working according to the plan of our "supposedly friends ...."

            Allegedly my current power laughing reset the pension system on the recommendations of our supposedly friends.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 15 June 2020 16: 15 New
              -6
              Quote: Karabin
              Allegedly my current government has reset the pension system

              You still have time to take countermeasures. Do you doubt that this is your current government? Then your experiences are incomprehensible ... wink
          2. Alf
            Alf 15 June 2020 20: 25 New
            +6
            Quote: Hagen
            More importantly, while humiliating your current government, you are working according to the plan of our "supposedly friends ...." with all the ensuing consequences.

            Okay, let's praise. But what exactly to praise is not entirely clear ...
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 15 June 2020 20: 32 New
              -5
              Quote: Alf
              Okay, let's praise. Only what exactly to praise is not entirely clear ..

              As I understand it, the term "substantive and constructive criticism" is unknown to you ... laughing Than to beat and humiliate, is not it better to cooperate?
              1. Alf
                Alf 15 June 2020 20: 37 New
                +8
                Quote: Hagen
                Isn't it better to collaborate?

                With whom ? With these ?



                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 15 June 2020 20: 46 New
                  -7
                  Quote: Alf
                  With whom ? With these ?

                  Do not tell my slippers !!! Whoever has the question of “whether to cooperate with these,” they do not kill in time. It is necessary to cooperate with the authorities and to criticize it in detail. And not so much some kind of supreme one, but more of their local one, which was created to equip the life of a particular person. Because in her care all our problems - health, education, electricity, roads at home, etc. .... In addition, she is always there.
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 15 June 2020 20: 50 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Hagen
                    And not so much some kind of supreme one, but more of their local one, which was created to equip the life of a particular person.

                    Does the local government act separately from the highest? And the laws that the local authorities enforce, which party adopts? Workers and peasants or the big bourgeoisie?
                    Who to collaborate with?
                    Because in her care all our problems - health, education, electricity, roads at home, etc ....

                    And the locals respond to most problems, the center did not give money. Why didn’t the money center give? But because there is no money in the state budget. And why is there no money in the treasury? And because a separate layer of "socially responsible businessmen" finds them much better application in the form of exporting this money from the country. And it is from their decisions that it turns out that the people are impoverished, and they grow richer.
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 15 June 2020 20: 54 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Alf
                      And it is from their decisions that it turns out that the people are impoverished, and they grow richer.

                    2. Hagen
                      Hagen 15 June 2020 20: 56 New
                      -10
                      Quote: Alf
                      Does the local government act separately from the highest? And the laws that local authorities enforce, which party adopts

                      And you will analyze your claims to life in detail, then you will understand who to ask questions. Each level of government has its own competence. But the laws that party you accept
                      and we choose. So to whom should questions be addressed?
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 15 June 2020 20: 59 New
                        +7
                        Quote: Hagen
                        But the laws that party you accept
                        and we choose.

                        Representatives of which party each time in the elections are caught constantly and repeatedly? Communists? Zhirinovites or Socialist-Revolutionaries? Something I did not hear the Communists stuffing did.
                      2. Hagen
                        Hagen 15 June 2020 21: 07 New
                        -9
                        Quote: Alf
                        Something I did not hear the Communists stuffing did.

                        Where there were gross violations, the elections were recognized as not held and re-elected. Nevertheless, EP (by the way, I’m not at all a fan of EP) won the election with a very clear advantage. Violate, by the way, all the parties. Just EP in number more.
                      3. Alf
                        Alf 15 June 2020 21: 11 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Where there were gross violations, the elections were recognized as not held and re-elected.

                        Yes, yes, tell me about it in the Far East, where the Communist Party candidate who won the race was removed from his post on far-fetched charges, and since there are no areas without a "head", Moscow sent HIS person from EP to the post, but it was no longer elected.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Violate, by the way, all the parties.

                        Once again, the question is-have you heard about the stuffing of the Communist Party? With all the dominance in the media, the liberal United Russia has never had such a case.
                      4. Hagen
                        Hagen 16 June 2020 06: 01 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Alf
                        Yes, yes, tell me about it in the Far East, where the Communist Party candidate who won the race was removed from his post on trumped-up charges.

                        Are you not an employee of the prosecutor’s office or court for an hour? Are you familiar with the materials? Or a traditional source - OBS? And if you know what they threw in, why are you silent? In general, everything is clear ... except for speculation, no confirmed information. Profuka power in the 91st, and now everyone is to blame.
                      5. Alf
                        Alf 16 June 2020 19: 25 New
                        0
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Are you not an employee of the prosecutor’s office or court for an hour? Are you familiar with the materials? Or a traditional source - OBS? And if you know what they threw in, why are you silent? In general, everything is clear ... except for speculation, no confirmed information.

                        Clearly, there is nothing to cover, we pass to general foggy phrases ...
                      6. Hagen
                        Hagen 16 June 2020 20: 50 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Alf
                        Clearly, there is nothing to cover, we pass to general foggy phrases ...

                        This is your one fog. Well, someone said they threw it in ... These are all words, and even repeated by you, possibly with a distorted meaning. The plausibility of the accusation can be indicated if there is any evidence. And you have one words. After the election, all the losers say they cannot prove anything. They work poorly, not convincingly. But who, in himself, recognizes the cause of the defeat ?! Everyone is guilty except me !!!
  • Sergey Zhikharev
    Sergey Zhikharev 15 June 2020 11: 58 New
    +4
    Try to humiliate Peter I, Napoleon, Roosevelt, Stalin, Ataturk, Deng Xiaoping and other great rulers. In the best case, it will be ludicrous, in the worst it can be beaten by representatives of these peoples.

    Not entirely correct.
    To humiliate Peter-1, Stalin, Im.Alexander and further the entire list of Russian rulers from Gostomysl to Putin is easy. First of all, in Russia, since the ruler of Russia was bad, chopped heads, fought with neighbors, ruined people, didn’t feed the nobles, there was a famine in his rule, there were diseases, he built cities on bones .....
    But to humiliate Napoleon in France, Roosevelt in the USA, Attartuk in Turkey, Deng Xiaoping in China, who did the same (they chopped heads, killed people, allowed hunger, built cities on bones, they didn’t break their people on their knees. story!
    So it turns out that they can humiliate the rulers in Russia (well, intellectuals like to repent), but if you try to humiliate the rulers of other countries, they can even beat you with your feet.
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 15 June 2020 12: 50 New
    -4
    Stalin was humiliated by the Communists at the 20th Party Congress. And no one beat them.
  • Alf
    Alf 15 June 2020 20: 22 New
    +4
    Quote: Hagen
    they would be afraid, as you say, of the Mausoleum, they would have already been demolished a long time ago. They would cover for a start under a plausible pretext (for repair) for a couple of years they stood and quietly dismantled.

    About retirement age, too, at first they spoke negatively, and then they said, please accept with understanding.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 15 June 2020 20: 38 New
      -8
      Quote: Alf
      About retirement age, too, at first they spoke negatively, and then they said, please accept with understanding.

      Yes, they spoke negatively. They pumped money into demography. Did not help. Do you like an early beggarly pension? No? On the other hand, you can leave for your own pension at any time .... Personally, I am going to 60-63 ... with all the increases, etc.
      1. Alf
        Alf 15 June 2020 22: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Hagen
        They pumped money into demography. Did not help.

        And why ? Is it because the youth did NOT WANT to give birth, saying that with such power in the country, changes for the better should not be expected, which, in general, is confirmed every day.
        Quote: Hagen
        Do you like an early beggarly pension?

        And why, under the “damned commies”, pensions were paid from the treasury, and now from the incomprehensibly muddy formation of the Pension Fund?
        Quote: Hagen
        beggarly pension

        Why is she miserable? Why are pensioners paid 3/4 of their salary? For some reason, they have money on them. With a salary of 30 thousand, a retired official will receive 22 thousand, something already, and bureaucrats do not have 30 tyros each, but a hard worker who has been breathing oil emulsion all his life will receive a maximum of 14.
        Why did the pension in the USSR amount to 132 rubles, which one could have lived on, although I don’t argue, it was even less, and now the average pension is 12-13 thousand, of which half is spent on communal services and drugs, and an elderly person depends on drugs retirement, and is that good if half? Where are the promised 25 million jobs from which young people will pay pensions to their old people? What prevented this time? Own curvature or complete incompetence of power? Pensvozhrazh shifted to the right by five, then the old man will plow for another five years at the factory, and then where will the youth work, who feed their current pensioners with their deductions? The wheel is spinning ..
        In the end, the wisest (wisest?) Declared that "you deceived me." Then where are the liars landing? And if you don’t touch your friends, at least cancel the reform, but no ..
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 16 June 2020 13: 35 New
          -1
          Quote: Alf
          Is it because the youth did not want to give birth, saying that with such power in a country of change for the better, one should not wait

          I do not know what your life experience is, but it is probably not great, for do not reduce the cause to the effect. Young people do not want to give birth both in our country and in all countries of traditional Christianity. There, Afghanistan, there are continuous changes for the better. And there are 24 people per thousand increase per year.
          Quote: Alf
          And why, under the “damned commies”, pensions were paid from the treasury, and now from the incomprehensibly muddy formation of the Pension Fund?

          And today, what pension? You can call the PFR anything you like, it is a government agency where the funds of part of the social payments of employers are accumulated. If there is a lack of funds, it is supplemented by a transfer from the state budget. What is the difference to you from that cash flow mechanics? What then, what today, you and I and all pensioners, except for participants in the NPF, have nothing to do with the mechanics of collecting these funds.
          Quote: Alf
          With a salary of 30 thousand, a retired official will receive 22 thousand, already something, and bureaucrats do not have 30 tyros each,

          But why didn’t you join the officials? Also could get different "tyra". Have you been sent to your factory? We are all independently building our life prospects. Someone goes to the army, some to the police, some to officials - and all by themselves, by their will. Why are you complaining today? wink
          ,
          1. Alf
            Alf 16 June 2020 19: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Hagen
            You can call the PFR anything you like, it is a government agency where the funds of part of the social payments of employers are accumulated. If there is a lack of funds, it is supplemented by a transfer from the state budget.

            Then why is it needed, this FIU?

            Quote: Hagen
            Have you been sent to your factory? Someone goes to the army, some to the police, some to officials - and all by themselves, by their will.

            You are right, I did not go to the police and bureaucrats, my conscience was available.
            About the strange calculation of pensions you have nothing to answer, everything is clear ...
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 16 June 2020 20: 44 New
              -1
              Quote: Alf
              I did not go to the police and bureaucrats; my conscience was available.

              According to your precinct, who parses the drunken fights of home boxers, opera, revealing theft from the population, murders, etc., registry office workers registering births, deaths, marriage, etc. - all these are people who have no conscience? Something strange is your attitude.
              Quote: Alf
              Then why is it needed, this FIU?

              This is such a way of concentrating financial resources for fulfilling the tasks of paying pensions, matkapital and other social benefits. Want to know more - there is a special law where all the tasks of the FIU are detailed. After all, there is a division of stores into specializations - grocery, manufactured goods, and spare parts. So in financial institutions there is a division into units to perform narrow tasks.
              Quote: Alf
              About the strange calculation of pensions you have nothing to answer

              Well, why? If a person serves in the public service, then the state takes care of him and his social well-being. Many private enterprises set their retirement benefits. There is nothing unusual here. The state also takes care of its staff and creates such conditions for social support so that people aspire there and the state has the opportunity to choose the best, and not the first one to come. Exactly the same reason, oil and gas workers have large salaries and a serious social package. What do you want? A person is looking for a place of work where he can provide himself with a decent life, and for the sake of this he studies, improves his qualifications, strives to be useful to a generous employer. And your reasoning about conscience, sorry, not very .... true. I think it was not at all in the moral and ethical aspect that your choice was. As highly managed, and jumped. And do not draw wings for yourself. They will not become real from this.
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 15 June 2020 08: 06 New
    18
    "Whoever shoots the past with a pistol, so the future will shoot with a gun." There was a blockade of Leningrad (not St. Petersburg), there was a battle of Stalingrad (not Volgograd). They rely on Stalin’s mistakes in leading the war; he who does nothing is not mistaken. And his success in 1941? Written off and forgotten? Evacuation of industry and its deployment in the Urals and Siberia. And on the sites prepared before the WAR! Without this, there would be no Victory! Battle of Moscow, Yelnya. But Chamberlain, Daladier, Churchill, Roosevelt were not mistaken? Japan until the middle of 1942 beat the Americans in the Pacific Ocean and the British in Indochina. Rommel until the middle of 1942 beat the British and Italians in North Africa. In 1940, Germany defeated the combined Dutch, Belgian, French and English forces and forced France to surrender.
    1. captain
      captain 15 June 2020 08: 32 New
      -20
      Here they fired in 1917 and now they have received, minus 4 million square kilometers of territory and 45 million of the population. When writing such expressions, try to look at how the Bolsheviks treated the past of Russia.
      1. Sergey Zhikharev
        Sergey Zhikharev 15 June 2020 12: 02 New
        +7
        Maybe it's better to see how the Provisional Government shot and what it cost Russia?
        Or how Napoleon shot in / across France - and nothing continues to be praised, but he brought a lot of deaths to France and Europe.
      2. tatra
        tatra 15 June 2020 14: 57 New
        +5
        When is now? It was you, the enemies of the Bolshevik Communists, who divided Russia during the interventionists you unleashed along with your accomplices, the Civil War, and in your anti-Soviet Perestroika you divided the USSR among you, and together with the invaders and Nazis, and after you captured the USSR, you inflicted demographic damage to the people of more than 150 million people. Therefore, you and everything are cowardly, “nothing to do with” to everything that you did in the Soviet and post-Soviet periods, because you yourself acknowledge what you did as your crimes against the country and people.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 15 June 2020 21: 02 New
          -6
          Quote: tatra
          It’s you, the enemies of the Bolshevik Communists, who divided Russia during the Civil War that you unleashed along with your accomplices, and in your anti-Soviet Perestroika, you divided the USSR

          That's all that you listed did the decayed party and economic asset of the CPSU. These "communist pupils" brought the country to economic destruction. It was precisely the Bolshevik Communists with large epaulettes that had to be eliminated on time, because it was they who were the main disruptors of the USSR. As they used to say - think narrowly, citizen.
          1. tatra
            tatra 15 June 2020 21: 09 New
            +4
            You, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people on the territory of the USSR, have not done ANYTHING useful for the country and people, neither during the Soviet era, nor after the capture and dismemberment of the USSR for those large and huge incomes and salaries that you had after the capture of the USSR, and you didn’t even offer, except for shamanistic spells about “freedom”, but what you DID — from unleashing the Civil War after the October Revolution with the aim of taking Russia by you — to the responsibility for the results of your work 30 years after the capture, you are all in chorus cowardly whine "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the Communists to blame", And you have the only ones in world history, NO positive history of your country, only evil anti-Soviet and Russophobia. And with all this, you also seriously imagined that you, more than the Bolsheviks-the Communists and their supporters, are worthy and capable of owning the country.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 16 June 2020 13: 06 New
              -2
              Quote: tatra
              You, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people on the territory of the USSR, and did NOT do ANYTHING useful for the country and people under Soviet power, nor after the capture and dismemberment of the USSR by you

              You, citizen, first calm down, drink something. And it’s clear to the text that you’ve suffered. I personally fought for the interests of the USSR, shed blood, I have a reward and disability. And it’s not for you, idiots, to make a complaint to me about the swatted state about you. It was you, the empty-bellie communists, who then justified themselves to us that "it was not you who sent us there." It was you who made decisions in Tbilisi and Vilnius, and then otmazyvatsya, as if the heads of the garrison tanks themselves brought to the streets. You have betrayed your main allies, and now whine that everyone is to blame except you. You would sit quietly and not shine. But you are feminine, unrestrained and short of mind and memory. hi
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 June 2020 23: 24 New
            +3
            Quote: Hagen
            what you listed did the rotted party and economic asset of the CPSU.

            Well, just write - Putin, his secretary Sechin ...
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 16 June 2020 13: 12 New
              -2
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Well, just write - Putin, his secretary Sechin ...

              Or maybe we’ll start with Gorbachev, Yeltsin, who carried out the privatization, Khodorkovsky, who bought a huge oil company for nothing and almost sold it to foreign shareholders. Maybe we recall who stole the party cash desk, and then emerged as a billionaire? Putin + Sechin just returned the oil industry to the state, and it has 40% of the budget from them (gas workers and oil workers). You are not at all in the subject ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 16 June 2020 16: 49 New
                +2
                Quote: Hagen
                Maybe we recall who stole the party cash desk, and then emerged as a billionaire?

                And who? It will be interesting if the Kroll agency publishes a copy of the report.
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 16 June 2020 16: 51 New
                  -1
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  It will be interesting if the Kroll agency publishes a copy of the report.

                  Write to them, maybe they will please?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 16 June 2020 16: 55 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Hagen
                    Write to them, maybe they will please?

                    On such a hook you can hold many for testicles, so it is unlikely to please.
                    1. Hagen
                      Hagen 16 June 2020 16: 57 New
                      -2
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      On such a hook you can hold many for testicles, so it is unlikely to please.

                      Is your last name not Strugatsky? laughing
          3. Mister who
            Mister who 20 June 2020 09: 02 New
            0
            At a referendum 70% supported the preservation of the Union !! So, people wanted to live in the Union.
      3. Alf
        Alf 15 June 2020 20: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: captain
        minus 4 million square kilometers of territory and 45 million people.

        This is about what exactly? About Poland, the Baltic states and Finland as part of the Republic of Ingushetia? So the Baltic states were returned, but Finland and Poland did not in fact belong to the Republic of Ingushetia, for how else can we call an incomprehensible geographic association with its own currency, its own authorities, the supremacy of its laws, its own language and its own customs inside the empire?
  • ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF 15 June 2020 08: 12 New
    14
    If Victory is our greatest holiday, valor and pride of our people, then its celebration should take place without any regard to anyone "from the other side"

    Our Holiday, but apparently not their holiday. We have different holidays. For some, valor and pride, for some, political games.
  • kot-begemot
    kot-begemot 15 June 2020 08: 19 New
    13
    The history of the country is draped-stupid and not patriotic.
    And I agree, there isn’t that level of statesmen worthy of comparing with their ancestors. The last, in my opinion, was L.I. Brezhnev. I didn’t know personally, but my grandfather fought with him on Malaya Zemlya and in Crimea and very respectfully responded Yes, and the era of "stagnation", when the country was at the peak of its capabilities and achievements, it means something. And look back, so as not to offend someone somehow, nonsense, the USSR won and there is no need to feel guilty about this. The right of the strong remained with the Soviet people.
    Those who want to kneel before the blacks, Germans, Poles, Finns and so on, go through the forest.
    A parade is needed, but just on VICTORY DAY, instead of a circus with masks and passes.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 15 June 2020 08: 20 New
    11
    the authorities themselves are talking about the need to resist attempts to rewrite, "drape" history, including the history of Victory.
    .... And an amendment of such content is proposed to be made in
    The Constitution ... They introduced, the people will vote, and they will continue to drape the Mausoleum, i.e. act not constitutionally? Or this drapery for the last time? ... After July 1, in 2021 they will not drape? smile
    1. captain
      captain 15 June 2020 08: 36 New
      -10
      You have a question: What was the name of the city of Krasnodar before the revolution? What was the name of the city of Donetsk earlier? Before the revolution.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 15 June 2020 08: 45 New
        -3
        Ekaterinodar (it would not hurt to return its historical name to the city) and Yuzovka.
        1. Alf
          Alf 15 June 2020 20: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Ekaterinodar (it would not hurt to return its historical name to the city) and Yuzovka.

          Yeah, the name of the city was changed to St. Petersburg, and the region remained Leningrad. Not funny ?
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 15 June 2020 10: 19 New
        +6
        And the question is what was the name of the village Potemkinskaya before? and what was the name of Petrograd before? What was the Ural River and the Ural Mountains called before? ...
      3. tatra
        tatra 15 June 2020 15: 01 New
        +6
        And what was the Moscow metro Lubyanka originally called? A "Dzerzhinsky Square." So return, "fighters for the return of historical names" back the name of the metro station "Dzerzhinsky Square".
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 15 June 2020 08: 21 New
    16
    Someone very neatly and aptly said: “A parade without a Mausoleum is like a procession without icons ...”
    A parade without a Mausoleum can be held, but a Victory Parade without a Mausoleum cannot be held.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 15 June 2020 08: 27 New
    0
    It seems that even Donald trump was invited
    And he even meant to accept the invitation. But on May 9, the parade was canceled due to the virus, and now, having the virus and racial unrest in its hands, it simply cannot afford it. Moreover, the election year, and the electorate will not understand his trip abroad, and not for signing anything substantial, not for serious negotiations, but only for celebrating the anniversary. But in a year or two he may well come, although the date will not be round.
  • SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 15 June 2020 08: 33 New
    -20
    Again the howl rises. The closer the parade, the more such "statues".
    There will be a victory parade, look at the soldiers, admire them for 2 months. What do you need this mausoleum?
    1. U-58
      U-58 15 June 2020 09: 06 New
      +4
      Well then, what’s this parade for you?
      Instead of combat training, people are engaged in shagistics ..
      1. depressant
        depressant 15 June 2020 17: 24 New
        +3
        Colleague SeregaBoss, even in all Western films, the mention of not only the USSR, but also modern Russia is often accompanied by a view of Red Square, including the Spasskaya Tower of the Kremlin, the Mausoleum, St. Basil's Cathedral and a monument to Minin and Pozharsky. They understand abroad that this is our symbol that cannot be divided into parts, our way of self-identification based on our entire history, and for some reason you are not.
        Think about it!
  • New
    New Year day 15 June 2020 08: 34 New
    16
    Definitely rewriting history! Political correctness of our power in relation to Germany, the USA and other countries in the "period of love." Love passed, but plywood remained. For the same reason
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 15 June 2020 08: 54 New
      12
      It’s a paradox, don’t find it, they accept the amendment to the Constitution, against the distortion of history and immediately distort it ...
  • U-58
    U-58 15 June 2020 08: 41 New
    15
    They boarded up the Mausoleum and essentially boarded up the achievements of the whole country, the people for 100 years.
    It’s as if an alternative story existed somewhere nearby in a parallel world, and there are many more TAM achievements
  • engineer74
    engineer74 15 June 2020 08: 48 New
    -6
    Or maybe everything is simpler: do not they drape the mausoleum, but us from Lenin? They preserve the peace of the Leader. recourse
  • bober1982
    bober1982 15 June 2020 08: 57 New
    -19
    The vast majority of the population is absolutely indifferent - who draped what and what, to the "bulb" - Ilyich himself, and his sarcophagus, and a sign on it.
  • Sanya Terek
    Sanya Terek 15 June 2020 09: 10 New
    +5
    Quote: captain
    ... That was distorted after the revolution and the result is obvious ...

    And before the revolution did not rename? So, offhand: Zimoveyskaya - Potemkinskaya, Yekaterinoslav - Novorossiysk - Yekaterinoslav, St. Petersburg - Petrograd.
    1. tatra
      tatra 15 June 2020 15: 06 New
      +7
      The enemies of the Communists always have double standards in everything, they evaluate all the facts depending on how it suits them. And this is clearly seen in the example of Nicholas II praised by them for the benefit of the anti-Soviet, and Stalin slandered by them, when they call Stalin the same facts as crimes, but they justify or "not notice" them in Nicholas II.
  • Million
    Million 15 June 2020 09: 16 New
    11
    Yeah. Bread and spectacles, an appeal for centuries. At the end they will show dances with weapons, and then the Croatians will perform the song Lashatemikantaaaaree, as already happened before.
    We are proud of the victory of the state, which is now bashfully called the Scoop, does not fit into any logical laws.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 15 June 2020 09: 20 New
    10
    This is not "political expediency", but political cowardice! Do not want to admit that up to TECH HEIGHTS - well, you can’t easily reach liberal ideas! Shame on veterans!
    1. Vlad world
      Vlad world 15 June 2020 10: 48 New
      -12
      Of course, we do not reach those “heights” in the purchase of millions of tons of grain — we simply sell tens of millions of tons of grain annually. Caught up with the United States in this matter, or even surpassed the slogan forgot - catch up and overtake. How bad this is for some of Lenin’s heirs.
      2 The policy of the party and the government on the Consolidation of the Russian population is not implemented. Alas, they began to drink significantly less - in 2017, the horror of drinking began to be Less than in France. And the downward trend does not stop. What a horror for the heirs of Lenin.
      3 Supporters of the USSR_2 you would have settled "starving" from Asia, and half of your income would have given them to start with a dozen years. For a personal example.
      In the USSR - Thirty percent of Russia's income went to feed the "hungry" - Asia, the Caucasus, the Baltic states.
      4 Great Russia collapsed in 17 and millions came out to defend it — it didn’t work out.
      The great USSR collapsed - where millions of defenders with weapons in their hands. What are you currently fighting for the keys for the USSR and when it collapsed -Where were and what they did. Why didn’t the militia gather, and even to Moscow, like Minin and Pozharsky?
      Cry understand here. They probably got used to doing nothing and living under Communism. And here you have to work
      5Tales about the USSR I do not need to tell. As well as about the friendship of peoples under the USSR.
      Lived and Know.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 15 June 2020 11: 01 New
        -10
        Quote: Vlad-world
        The great USSR collapsed - where millions of defenders with weapons in their hands

        It is known where they were - they burned or hid their party tickets, and dreamed of a hamburger.
        And now, the sabbath is being arranged here, there is no Stalin on them - a shovel in their hands, and on the great constructions of communism, whom they voluntarily, whom and compulsory.
        1. Pilot
          Pilot 15 June 2020 12: 00 New
          13
          Well, you Vladimir today are so blind and miserable? And yes, you also have someone to look up to, that one also tore his party ticket and did not give a damn about the oath. So beaver?
        2. Vlad world
          Vlad world 17 June 2020 12: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: bober1982
          Quote: Vlad-world
          The great USSR collapsed - where millions of defenders with weapons in their hands

          It is known where they were - they burned or hid their party tickets, and dreamed of a hamburger.
          And now, the sabbath is being arranged here, there is no Stalin on them - a shovel in their hands, and on the great constructions of communism, whom they voluntarily, whom and compulsory.


          That's right.
          Well, Stalin only for one thing-that he destroyed the whole congress of winners (as he is credited with) It is possible and necessary to respect. Yes, and for Trotsky.
      2. Oleg Skvortsov
        Oleg Skvortsov 15 June 2020 12: 31 New
        +6
        Voldemar. They wrote nonsense, a lot of letters and no argument. And by the way, where were you when the USSR collapsed? Describe your day every minute
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 15 June 2020 16: 34 New
        +7
        Lived and Know.
        Perhaps you lived and know something. I only see that I distort a lot.
      4. Alf
        Alf 15 June 2020 20: 42 New
        +6
        Quote: Vlad-world
        Of course, we do not reach those “heights” in the purchase of millions of tons of grain — we simply sell tens of millions of tons of grain annually.

        And we are pushing through the law on allowing the use of grains of grades 3, 4 and 5 for food, because the highest and first grade makes us good bye.
        Quote: Vlad-world
        In the USSR - Thirty percent of Russia's income went to feed the "hungry" - Asia, the Caucasus, the Baltic states.

        They fell off, proudly left, but the people didn’t begin to live better — there is no money, but you hold on.
        1. Vlad world
          Vlad world 16 June 2020 02: 58 New
          -4
          1 Well, yes, yes, proudly gone. They overthrew the Russian occupiers and then when they climbed, they climbed into Russia. I want to eat ...
          2 Well, yes there is no money damn but there is nowhere to spit some cars in the yards. And Traffic jams in the mornings in cities per 50000 population. They forgot how under the "Corn" under the Communists the queues for bread were and choked on them. Khrushchev promised that - after 20 years, the boom under communism will live. And how some profited at the city and regional committees. And now they are crying.
          3 But I was not even in the Komsomol. Although thanks for the good work from the Central Committee of the Komsomol was.
          4Call met with relief. The freeloaders fell off.
          5 Still, liberals of all power would be cleaned like Gref and his ilk would have been normal. That the liberals that the Communists are supporters of the USSR -2 -two sides of one phenomenon, called Russophobia.
          1. Alf
            Alf 16 June 2020 19: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: Vlad-world
            Still liberals of all kinds of power would be cleaned like Gref and his ilk would have been normal.

            The liberal will cleanse the liberals ... I will sell tickets for this show ...
            1. Vlad world
              Vlad world 16 June 2020 20: 20 New
              +1
              Here is a comrade of the USSR for such actions in the USSR the article is writhing to you - speculation is called.
              Yes, and - alas, this is a bourgeois expression. How such decomposition is bourgeois in you.
              You have to be Consistent, and you decided to do bourgeois business.
              You really choose -or a cross or .....
              1. Alf
                Alf 16 June 2020 20: 22 New
                0
                Quote: Vlad-world
                Here is a comrade of the USSR for such actions in the USSR the article is writhing to you - speculation is called.
                Yes, and - alas, this is a bourgeois expression. How such decomposition is bourgeois in you.
                You have to be Consistent, and you decided to do bourgeois business.
                You really choose -or a cross or .....

                Clear-crisis thoughts ..
  • avia12005
    avia12005 15 June 2020 09: 58 New
    17
    Unfortunately, few current VO users will live to see the 100th anniversary of the Great Victory. But ... May 9, 2045 the Mausoleum will be open. And somewhere nearby there will be a monument to Supreme Commander-in-Chief I.V. Stalin. And he will also take the parade.
    1. Taga
      Taga 15 June 2020 13: 46 New
      0
      And what, there are prerequisites for this?
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 15 June 2020 18: 08 New
        +3
        For a quarter of a century, this has not happened in history.
      2. Alf
        Alf 15 June 2020 20: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: Taga
        And what, there are prerequisites for this?

        Nicholas in the 16th also did not take revolutionaries seriously, and in the 17th he suddenly lost his job ...
        1. Taga
          Taga 16 June 2020 09: 40 New
          +1
          Then the trade unions were stronger, and the parties were really oppositional. The present do not offer anything revolutionary, the next redrawing of capitalism in their favor.
        2. Taga
          Taga 16 June 2020 09: 41 New
          +2
          Deposed then his bourgeois, not the proletariat.
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 15 June 2020 10: 04 New
    14
    The mausoleum, Lenin, Stalin and the USSR of the current hucksters who seized power in the country are not honored. How many do not dodge and do not lie - the gut still crawls out. Pitiful clowns at a dance in the west - there is no respect for them, only disgust
  • Karabin
    Karabin 15 June 2020 10: 28 New
    +6
    If Victory is our greatest holiday, valor and pride of our people, then its celebration should take place without any regard to anyone "from the other side" and attempts to correct our own history in the spirit of the notorious "political correctness".


    No way! Partners will not understand. wink
  • g_ae
    g_ae 15 June 2020 10: 31 New
    12
    Just the Russian "elite", as the guilty servant, does not lose hope of reconciling with the former (and for whom the real) masters. By the way, it was not for nothing that at one time the series Sleepers was so drastically leaked. And the owners will certainly not forgive Lenin’s recognition. I was amused by Putin's argument that Lenin allegedly planted a bomb under Russian statehood. Hug and cry. Painfully recalls the argument of a certain Polygraph Poligrafovich about the correspondence of Engels with Kautsky.
    And, by the way, I do not see a fundamental difference with the Kiev jumpers.
    1. Vlad world
      Vlad world 15 June 2020 11: 38 New
      -13
      You’ve been amused by Putin’s reasoning, but this is a fact -Donbas was given to Ukraine at the insistence of Lenin. And you are amused that the Russians are being killed there. They wouldn’t give back and kill the Russians at that moment. And you are funny. And after all, the Bolsheviks and their heirs brought up Ukrainian Nazism. If you are not a Ukrainian then you won’t get any posts - read Also, the Bolsheviks gave the Russian land to the so-called Kazakhs. The nomadic Kyrgyz called the Kazakhs in the 30s of the 20th century by decision of the Council of People's Commissars. And it so amuses you.
      1. tatra
        tatra 15 June 2020 15: 13 New
        +4
        You, the enemies of the USSR in the territory of the USSR, and therefore cowardly blame the Bolsheviks-Communists for what you did yourself, that you yourself acknowledge what you did as your crimes, including the fact that you dismembered the USSR, unleashed the Civil War in Ukraine after Maidan 2014, more than 10 peaceful Ukrainians and Russians were killed in it. .
      2. g_ae
        g_ae 15 June 2020 16: 32 New
        14
        Of course amused. Founded, including on the ideas of Lenin, the USSR lasted 70 years under the most difficult conditions and, with all its ambiguity, became one of the strongest states on the planet. And Putin’s associates just ruined it. Of course, he didn’t play a key role there, but he was in that camp. And in general, do not remind the security of which state was engaged in the duty of GDP, and what happened to that state as a result of their actions (or rather, inactivity). And it’s interesting that for 30 years (20 of them under the presidency of the GDP), Vladimir Vladimirovich’s friends and associates have been gnawing at what had been rebuilt from scratch in 70 years (probably the very same galoshes did not survive the poor fellow). And now the yummy ends and Putin’s insult to Lenin is like a child’s insult that the ice cream quickly ended. So cute.
        In general, for 20 years, under the most favorable conditions, to fall in love with all the opportunities for development, this must be an epic, to put it mildly, narrow-minded person. Oh yes! Now the root of evil is found. The constitution was not that. Now everything will be different. Like a Slepakov New Year’s song.
        And about the murder of Russians in the Donbass. But was it not Mr. Surkov who dealt with this issue with the blessing of whom?
        1. g_ae
          g_ae 15 June 2020 17: 06 New
          +8
          By the way, Sharikov, in comparison with associates of the GDP, is simply a giant of thought. Well, compare "take and share" with the current "take and steal, gobble up or hide." That's the whole collection of works.
          1. g_ae
            g_ae 15 June 2020 17: 37 New
            +4
            And in general, to compare the scale of the personalities of Putin and Lenin is to be ridiculous. It’s like in a joke about the hero and the Serpent of Gorynych. Well, the one that "fight, fight so, in the ass, why yell."
        2. depressant
          depressant 15 June 2020 17: 43 New
          +2
          Colleague g_ae, sorry for the amendment: you probably meant the verb "love" (otherwise the meaning is lost). I support your thoughts hi
          1. g_ae
            g_ae 15 June 2020 17: 49 New
            +5
            Yes thank you. I write on the train on the phone. Not very comfortable. I don’t always get to the buttons, blind and even AutoCorrect. I apologize.
      3. DPN
        DPN 16 June 2020 21: 25 New
        -2
        Yeltsin gave it to those who went for power, which he did, but YOU are dumping on V.I. LENIN, HE saved the Russian Empire by changing its system and name. Yeltsin destroyed everything and unleashed the Chechen war. If you yourself haven’t found it, ask YOUR PARENTS.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 15 June 2020 11: 44 New
      -9
      But the Union fell apart precisely on the borders of national entities. Which appeared thanks to burry, and with the right to exit. Bomb? Another, slow motion.
      1. tatra
        tatra 15 June 2020 15: 15 New
        +8
        And who destroyed the USSR into YOUR evil anti-Soviet-Russophobic "independence"? WHO made the dismemberment of the USSR its main state holiday?
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 15 June 2020 15: 21 New
          -4
          Communists collapsed. The result of the communist rule is the collapse of the Power. Or do you want to say that Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevarnadze, Yeltsin were members of the NSDAP? The country was torn into national bits on Leninist borders.
          1. tatra
            tatra 15 June 2020 15: 30 New
            +7
            In your fantastical cowardice, fear of the slightest hint of responsibility for what you yourself did with your country and people, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people not only brazenly lie, slander, and hypocrite, but also a rod against elementary logic and common sense. Supporters of the USSR could not divide the USSR into YOUR anti-Soviet-Russophobic "independence" in which you imposed your anti-Soviet power, your system, which is beneficial to you, your ideology, anti-Soviet. Similarly, for the sake of the USSR’s supporters, you cannot unite your “independence” back into one big country.
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 15 June 2020 16: 02 New
            +7
            They were just members, but not communists, Andrei.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 15 June 2020 16: 03 New
        +6
        You can’t mess up the great, AS Ivanov. And the bomb was planted by a cornman.
  • Karabin
    Karabin 15 June 2020 10: 50 New
    13
    The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the country created by Vladimir Lenin, won the Great Patriotic War. The hordes of the Nazi invaders and their allies were defeated by the Soviet people under the leadership of the Communist Party, under the red banner and under the command of Joseph Stalin.
    1. tatra
      tatra 15 June 2020 15: 16 New
      +6
      The Cossacks are especially ridiculous, who have hung upon themselves the "orders" and "medals" that they come up with for themselves.
  • iouris
    iouris 15 June 2020 11: 17 New
    +6
    The secret has become apparent, it is no longer possible to drape.
  • Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 15 June 2020 12: 48 New
    13
    China has set the terms for its participation in the Victory Parade, no draperies of the mausoleum ....
    The information is false, but who knows how it will turn out ...
    And I would like to believe !!!
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 June 2020 20: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: Igor Polovodov
      China has set the terms for its participation in the Victory Parade, no draperies of the mausoleum ....
      The information is false, but who knows how it will turn out ...
      And I would like to believe !!!

      Wang, that in such a case, China will not be given a visa, they will say that the virus has not yet been completely eliminated in China.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 June 2020 14: 25 New
    +6
    In my opinion, this question must be raised at a meeting of the Duma and resolved once and for all. This is our story and do not be shy about it, you can’t return it.
    It let the narrow-minded striped destroy their monuments.
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 June 2020 20: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: Ros 56
      In my opinion, this question must be raised at a meeting of the Duma and resolved once and for all. This is our story and do not be shy about it, you can’t return it.

      And who is sitting in the Duma? Either large capitalists or their hirelings, who are contorted by the appearance of the Mausoleum and Steel. Will they adopt such laws?
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 16 June 2020 06: 06 New
        +1
        There are different people in the Duma, but from your definitions a mile away carries stamps of the Soviet era. Do not rush words if you can not confirm them.

        Py.Sy And it turns out like with advice - I have not read the book, but I condemn it.
        1. tank64rus
          tank64rus 16 June 2020 10: 35 New
          +3
          Well, why. One of the leaders of the previous convocation of the State Duma, described the Duma as follows. "This is a structure where rich people work in the interests of even richer people. If this is not so, then look at the analysis of the adopted and rejected bills very interestingly old man.
        2. Alf
          Alf 16 June 2020 19: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Ros 56
          There are different people in the Duma, but from your definitions a mile away carries stamps of the Soviet era. Do not rush words if you can not confirm them.

          I can. Here is the percentage of parties in the Duma for the 19th year.

          And here are the stamps? EP characterizes itself as a party of big business. How many laws has EP adopted for the development of the state and citizen?
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  • Lew
    Lew 15 June 2020 15: 17 New
    +7
    Power always hides what it fears .....
  • domashniy domovoy
    domashniy domovoy 15 June 2020 15: 17 New
    -8
    Late they realized that they were rewriting history; it was rewritten long ago under Peter.
  • pogis
    pogis 15 June 2020 15: 32 New
    11
    An attempt to combine patriotic education with de-communization will lead to the same thing that led "not brothers".
  • leonid-zherebtcov
    leonid-zherebtcov 15 June 2020 15: 45 New
    +7
    The mausoleum should not be "disguised" (this is the satisfaction of the liberals and the like ...). No need to distort the history of the country ... By the way, it would not hurt to return the monument to F.E.Dzerdzhinsky ...
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 15 June 2020 15: 58 New
      +9
      By the way, it would not hurt to return the monument to F.E.Dzerdzhinsky ...
      A lot of things need to be returned. First of all, social justice and socialism.
      1. Alf
        Alf 15 June 2020 20: 57 New
        +4
        Quote: NordUral
        First of all, social justice and socialism.

        "Do not rock the boat" ...
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 16 June 2020 10: 39 New
          +2
          And how am I swinging it, Alf? I do not call for revolution, but constantly insist that we must go to the polls.
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 15 June 2020 15: 55 New
    +8
    I read the article and comments. TOTALLY agree with the author and the majority of those who said that it is IMPOSSIBLE to shamefully and vilely hide the Mausoleum behind the decorations for the holy Victory Day, a parade in honor of which was received from the rostrum of the Mausoleum! After all, the Mausoleum is not just the tomb of the leader disgraced for the current government, no, the Mausoleum is a part of RUSSIAN history, VERY much is connected with this rostrum! And the history of SOVIET Russia is an INTEGRAL part of all Russian history! And you can’t do it like the current government does: I see this, this is “I don’t see”!
    There used to be a deadly excuse: not to offend new "Western friends." But sweet dreams melted away like smoke, "friends" turned into "partners" - and the Mausoleum is still bashfully draped! So, maybe the current government is embarrassed by HIS history and people? Explicit duplicity: to be ashamed of your history - and to amend the inadmissibility of falsification of history! And how can one ignore the opinion of the majority of the people of Russia, who are not shy about their history?
  • NordUral
    NordUral 15 June 2020 15: 56 New
    +7
    "Hidden" Mausoleum: political expediency or attempt to "drape" the history of the Victory
    Fear and shame of thieves and traitors.
    1. Vlad world
      Vlad world 17 June 2020 13: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: NordUral
      "Hidden" Mausoleum: political expediency or attempt to "drape" the history of the Victory
      Fear and shame of thieves and traitors.


      This means the Bolsheviks were so afraid of Victory in 1812 that they blew up the Temple built in honor of this victory. By the way, by the way.
      Well, here they’re just draping, closing everything, unlike the Bolsheviks.
      Well, yes, the Bolsheviks can be blown up, destroyed, and others just cover up for a while. Ay ah kaki such. Take a look at yourself.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 17 June 2020 15: 17 New
        -1
        And among the Bolsheviks there were enough dura.kov, and this, apart from the ideological iconoclasts.
        And they did not blow up the temple of Victory of 1812, but the temple of God. There was an excess in the fight against religion then.
        And I have nothing to look at myself. I'm an atheist. But not a single religion bothers me, which does not go into my soul with my ideas. They want to believe - and let them.
        And the main thing is that they are not afraid of the mausoleum, but that we recall that we destroyed these with our tacit connivance.
        1. Vlad world
          Vlad world 17 June 2020 18: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: NordUral
          And among the Bolsheviks there were enough dura.kov, and this, apart from the ideological iconoclasts.
          And they did not blow up the temple of Victory of 1812, but the temple of God. There was an excess in the fight against religion then.
          And I have nothing to look at myself. I'm an atheist. But not a single religion bothers me, which does not go into my soul with my ideas. They want to believe - and let them.
          And the main thing is that they are not afraid of the mausoleum, but that we recall that we destroyed these with our tacit connivance.


          No need to juggle. The Bolsheviks did not blow up the temple of God, but the Temple built In Honor of the Victory of 1812. There were bas-reliefs with the names of Heroes and ordinary Warriors - and them in the trash. This is the attitude to the achievements of the Russian Warriors.
          And the mausoleum is a grave. She was just covered.
          Actually, if Stalin had been lying there (as it was), then they wouldn’t have covered Wang.
          And indeed why do not you demand justice and the return of Stalin's body to the mausoleum.
          That would be a great victory parade in front of Commander-in-Chief Comrade Stalin.

          Damn what are the forgotten. Everyone remembers before May 9th. And then how it cuts. No team.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 17 June 2020 23: 26 New
            +2
            Damn what are the forgotten. Everyone remembers before May 9th. And then how it cuts. No team.

            You said it well about those who are now in power in Russia.
            And about the mausoleum - this is our story. And I feel sorry for all those temples, monuments and just buildings that are destroyed by stupidity or evil will.
  • PavelM
    PavelM 15 June 2020 18: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    But the Union fell apart precisely on the borders of national entities. Which appeared thanks to burry, and with the right to exit. Bomb? Another, slow motion.

    It would be good to get an answer if stupid Lenin "planted a bomb", then why has the great Putin been in power for 20 years, this bomb has not yet been cleared? And today, changing the Constitution, he didn’t even make an attempt to fix something! How to understand all this?
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 15 June 2020 19: 25 New
      -3
      How can you defuse a bomb that has already exploded? In the year 1991. Although, having returned Crimea to Russia, Putin corrected the situation a little.
      1. Alf
        Alf 15 June 2020 21: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Although, having returned Crimea to Russia, Putin corrected the situation a little.

        And then I was afraid? Or did the president of Switzerland, the country of BANKS, threaten something?
      2. Alf
        Alf 15 June 2020 22: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Although, having returned Crimea to Russia, Putin corrected the situation a little.

        But what did the "frantic patriot of Russia" not return before?
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 16 June 2020 08: 28 New
          +2
          How do you imagine that? In 2014, a window of opportunity opened, which was used. Why did Stalin return the borders along the Curzon line only in 1939, and not earlier?
          1. Alf
            Alf 16 June 2020 19: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            How do you imagine that? In 2014, a window of opportunity opened, which was used.

            And until 2014, on that side there were exclusively friends ...
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 16 June 2020 19: 42 New
              +3
              There were no friends. But there was no convenient reason. For Putin it was a coup d'etat in Ukraine, for Stalin it was the cessation of Poland as a state.
              1. Alf
                Alf 16 June 2020 20: 05 New
                0
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                There were no friends. But there was no convenient reason.

                The Americans Maine rushed and the occasion appeared. Colin Powell at the UN shook a test tube of divorced lime and Iraq was trampled by the whole crowd. And for Yugoslavia, there was no need for a special occasion ..
                And later, when OUR customs officers killed On that side were buried, there was no reason?
    2. loaln
      loaln 18 June 2020 14: 44 New
      0
      You study history poorly. If not for this message of Lenin, then the national suburbs would have fallen off from Russia even then.
      Supporters of Stalin would have carried out general federalization after the Second World War, for a new leap forward.
      But by that time the bulk of the patriots had been knocked out on the fronts, and upstairs, as always, the frightened scurrying fuss ... but to which Stalinism prevented becoming saturated satisfactory inhabitants, was the bourgeois.
      Here they needed a fragmented state in which ALL the people would NEVER stand up against the incipient betrayal.
      On the contrary, nationalism served as the trigger for the degeneration of the outskirts, and then of the Center, into a faceless amorphous mass of RESIDENTS. Bourgeois.
      For them, however, there was still no better living environment in history than capitalist reality with its base goals and aspirations.
      There, everyone thinks that he is better than those who are on his right and left, forgetting that he is LEFT for someone and RIGHT for someone.
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 15 June 2020 19: 11 New
    -7
    Quote: Far In
    The French never distort their history, they celebrate the day of the capture of the Bastille, and at least henna. Although the Great French Revolution of Horrors spawned more of ours. But they still celebrate and are proud of their past. That's because skiers! But we don’t want as in France ...

    They took this prison to hell.
    If you take the French as an example, then demolish this freak, the Mausoleum from Red Square, bury the mummy as usual, and even the place. About more French atrocities.
    Is it possible to compare the results of the Civil War, 12 million dead, starved to death, left the country with these pranks?
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 16 June 2020 10: 42 New
      +1
      You poorly know the history of both Russia and France, it seems. Or just lying.
    2. DPN
      DPN 16 June 2020 21: 00 New
      0
      Take your time, the SOVIET generation will leave and the llama what you want and how you want, but for now you can roll your neck.
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 15 June 2020 19: 19 New
    -4
    Quote: PavelM
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    But the Union fell apart precisely on the borders of national entities. Which appeared thanks to burry, and with the right to exit. Bomb? Another, slow motion.

    It would be good to get an answer if stupid Lenin "planted a bomb", then why has the great Putin been in power for 20 years, this bomb has not yet been cleared? And today, changing the Constitution, he didn’t even make an attempt to fix something! How to understand all this?

    Shake the brains if there is something there. Do you think that now it is possible to deprive the Tatars of their republic by balancing their rights and economic situation with, say, the Ryazan region? Change the name to the Kazan region, or something like that? Is it possible now to determine the borders and the territory of the RUSSIAN republic, or region, or territory? Change the structure of the country to states that do not have a nationality in their name? You are completely stunned. You make such a stupid thing that you start to think, and aren't you a fool?
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 15 June 2020 19: 30 New
      -2
      That's right - cutting the country in the province, as it was under the Republic of Ingushetia. No flirting with nationalities, the division of the country is either arbitrary, or according to economic - geographical principles. Moreover, in the USSR they tried to create a single community - the Soviet people. Yes, as in the USA: there is neither Italian, nor German, nor Englishman - there is an American.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 16 June 2020 10: 44 New
        +2
        Andrei, in the States it’s not such an idyll as you painted. Americans are Americans, but they are somehow different.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 16 June 2020 10: 56 New
          +2
          Idyll, it happens only in utopias. Underlining nationalities, as a rule, leads to an increase in nationalism, and even to the emergence of Nazism, which we saw in our country at the end of the 20th century.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 16 June 2020 11: 02 New
            +3
            Andrei, did it ever occur to you that the creation of the USSR was a necessary step? That Russia with divisions in the province or region could not be saved in its pre-revolutionary borders.
            And then - the republics, with the exception of a few stubborn ones, did not at all seek to leave the Union. It started in Moscow.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 16 June 2020 11: 13 New
              +2
              When creating the Union, yes - a necessary step, although even then Comrade. Stalin did not agree with the Leninist concept of dividing the country. What prevented subsequently from encouraging all of these Ukrainizations and moving from union republics to autonomies, and subsequently to dividing the country according to economic principles. Since they proclaimed a single community - the Soviet people.
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 16 June 2020 18: 12 New
                +3
                If everything was just like that, Andrey. Then the Union would exist today, mighty, rich and with friendly Soviet people. And one, as its creators hoped.
    2. DPN
      DPN 16 June 2020 20: 57 New
      0
      Yeltsin at one time clearly said that he would not pull the Soviet Union, so he went to divide - the collapse. bully
  • Yuri Kharitonov
    Yuri Kharitonov 15 June 2020 19: 25 New
    +2
    The “hidden” Mausoleum is still not overcome the weak-mindedness and dementia of Yeltsin.
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 15 June 2020 19: 32 New
    -7
    Quote: NordUral
    By the way, it would not hurt to return the monument to F.E.Dzerdzhinsky ...
    A lot of things need to be returned. First of all, social justice and socialism.

    What is socialism? How can one return that which does not exist in nature, never existed, and cannot exist in principle?
    1. tatra
      tatra 15 June 2020 20: 00 New
      +5
      How tired of the enemies of socialism with their stupid nonsense. You did not have socialism in the USSR, you have no capitalism in your "independence" on the territory of the USSR you have seized. And YOU yourself do not have in your history the Soviet and post-Soviet periods.
      1. Vlad world
        Vlad world 16 June 2020 14: 04 New
        0
        How tired fans of Russophobia Lenin-Trotsky. The newspaper "Pravda" wrote socialism built, it means exactly under the visor. True, they or their parents had Communism. So they cry and cry. And agricultural workers have one-day work, and moreover without a passport. And others have different supplies - Moscow, regional or simple. True, the freeloaders were entirely Moscow. At the expense of the Russians. But Russophobe is a favor to build socialism and communism at the expense of the Russians. Read the statements of the Bolshevik leaders about the Great Russians.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 16 June 2020 10: 45 New
      +2
      If you are blind, then what can you say.
  • skobars
    skobars 15 June 2020 21: 31 New
    +6
    The authorities want the people to forget that there was a GREAT POWER-USSR. And for this, they introduce mythical supposedly holidays-day of Russia and close the Mausoleum and try to avoid information about the leading role of the real Communists in the Second World War, etc.
    1. Vlad world
      Vlad world 17 June 2020 18: 40 New
      0
      Quote: skobars
      The authorities want the people to forget that there was a GREAT POWER-USSR. And for this, they introduce mythical supposedly holidays-day of Russia and close the Mausoleum and try to avoid information about the leading role of the real Communists in the Second World War, etc.


      Well, yes, it was and for how many years. But Russia, for some years, was the only Romanovs 300 years. And how the Bolsheviks erased the memory of Russia - it’s kindly expensive.
      Well, yes, the leading role is from the beginning so fluidly with the leading one and then straining all the forces of the People to get out of shit. The General Staff and others there were also communists.
      Well, where were your “real communists” when the USSR collapsed. Power and property shared.
      Over in Tatarstan, Shaimiev and his family are already billionaires. And nothing. Something do not resent.
      So there was and all went into the pipe. Communism who and when they promised to build. He was also a communist and all communists supported him - and they threw bonnets into the air. Or, they didn’t promise to feed on the road.
      1. skobars
        skobars 21 June 2020 20: 47 New
        0
        Real communists are those who defended their homeland at the cost of their lives. But I do not diminish the merits of non-partisans. When, thanks to Khrushch, the KGB’s supervision of the party was removed, a different bastard poured into the party, and they got what we have now.
        1. Vlad world
          Vlad world 21 June 2020 21: 38 New
          0
          Quote: skobars
          Real communists are those who defended their homeland at the cost of their lives. But I do not diminish the merits of non-partisans. When, thanks to Khrushch, the KGB’s supervision of the party was removed, a different bastard poured into the party, and they got what we have now.


          And what kind of kindergarten is this - without supervision, every bastard and crawls and raises his bourgeois head. And the “real” communists cannot do anything without supervision.
          And in general, the fact that Communism was built in our country so that people who allegedly built it was called communists. In general, “real communists” built communism-personal and lived in it.
          And how does it turn out that there is only one real Communist Stalin and the rest are either traitors or degenerates and other Byak. It turns out strange, don’t find it. That the system is not okay from the very beginning.
  • domashniy domovoy
    domashniy domovoy 15 June 2020 22: 16 New
    -3
    It is time to introduce the concept of the titular nation into the legislation of the Russian Federation.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 15 June 2020 23: 12 New
    +6
    Quote: Hagen
    Quote: Doccor18
    Well, you compared! 31st year. Another time. Party line to eradicate tsarism and religion, etc.

    So what? It’s all the difference that the regime you hate blows your epithets and allows you to insult him in public space. In 1931, you would probably suffer for less, and perhaps very .... Your opinion would be somewhat different, I think.

    Well, imagine that we are in 1931, and why on earth should we give impartial or hostile epithets to our people's power, and even more so hate it?
    On the contrary, we would fully support her, and in ten years, on November 7, 1941, right from Red Square, after the parade, we would go to defend her and die for her. It is curious what you would do during this period, and where you would be, taking into account your hatred of the Communists, and accordingly of the Soviet regime? Judging by your German pseudonym most likely from the opposite side. This is a question that needs to be answered. winked Well, and continuing this peculiar fantasy retrospective, those of us who survived after four years would again have passed a victorious march along Red Square. Therefore, it is not necessary to put on one board, as if they are equal - our Soviet power, and your regime. lol
  • Spiridonovich2
    Spiridonovich2 15 June 2020 23: 50 New
    +6
    The Victory Parade in World War II was held on May 9, 2020 in Minsk, where they honored the memory of 27 million Soviet people who sacrificed their lives for the freedom of our country and the whole world and expressed gratitude and low bow to living veterans. What kind of action will be in Moscow on June 24, in the context of mass anti-Sovietism, anti-Stalinism, anti-communism, is not clear. Maybe our regime will pay tribute to the Soviet people who broke the ridge of Nazi Germany under the leadership of the Communist Party and the great Stalin? Or is the history of Victory being written now?
    1. Alf
      Alf 16 June 2020 19: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: Spiridonovich2
      Maybe our regime will pay tribute to the Soviet people who broke the ridge of Nazi Germany under the leadership of the Communist Party and the great Stalin?

      The mention of the Communist Party and the great Stalin on May 9 becomes directly indecent to our government.
      1. DPN
        DPN 16 June 2020 20: 40 New
        0
        WE and YOU chose, we knew what they were doing. We chose those who did not see the USSR, now why be surprised.
  • Andrey Stavropolsky
    Andrey Stavropolsky 16 June 2020 09: 02 New
    -4
    What is the connection between the victory in the Second World War and the Lenin Mausoleum? For me, Lenin is a figure of turmoil and a split in society. What we still observe. So it’s time to put the bald one in a long time, but simply make the mausoleum a museum without a corpse.
    1. tank64rus
      tank64rus 16 June 2020 10: 29 New
      +2
      My dear, if Lenin is a figure of schism, so what about the Grand Dukes, members of the Imperial Surname, who in February unanimously put on red bows. With the Commanders of the Fronts, with all the cream of the then Russia, which was delighted with the Revolution. Soros’s textbooks do not say this, but that’s why they are Soros’s textbooks. The split is the same in society as it is now. It is strange another, abroad are more objective in assessing the figure of Lenin in History than we have now.
    2. Yury Siritsky
      Yury Siritsky 16 June 2020 13: 18 New
      +2
      You and people like you need to be dug. It would be easier to live in the world.
  • Erik
    Erik 16 June 2020 09: 36 New
    +2
    THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO SECURE THE LOOSE!
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 16 June 2020 10: 18 New
    +3
    In 1941, our fathers and grandfathers walked past the Mausoleum into battle, swearing an oath to Lenin and Stalin to Win. In 1945 they threw three banners in front of the banner of the Reich. It should be a shame to those who are now draping, unless of course there is shame and conscience patriotism. Well, about the Americans, even the shadow of Lenin now shakes America from the Mausoleum.
  • Yury Siritsky
    Yury Siritsky 16 June 2020 13: 16 New
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    No one craps around history like Russia itself. I clarify my story.
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 16 June 2020 15: 39 New
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    scaffolds began to be erected from which the president, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Russia, members of the government and guests of honor looked at the military columns passing by.

    And at the same time, imposingly sitting in armchairs and apparently conducting small and cheerful conversations ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 16 June 2020 20: 01 New
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      Quote: AlexVas44
      And at the same time, imposingly sitting in armchairs and apparently conducting small and cheerful conversations ...

      It’s hard to stand for 50 minutes, they work hard, like rowers in galleys. Tired, poor things ...
  • DPN
    DPN 16 June 2020 20: 23 New
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    Someone very neatly and aptly said: “A parade without a Mausoleum is like a procession without icons ...” The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the country created by Vladimir Lenin, won the Great Patriotic War. The hordes of the Nazi invaders and their allies were defeated by the Soviet people under the leadership of the Communist Party, under the red banner and under the command of Joseph Stalin. Like it today, someone or not, but it was.
    The author did not understand why to blame the WEST, YOU yourself know everything perfectly well, Yeltsin, and not WEST.