"Hidden" Mausoleum: political expediency or attempt to "drape" the history of the Victory

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"Hidden" Mausoleum: political expediency or attempt to "drape" the history of the Victory

A few days before the anniversary Victory Parade, scheduled for June 24, a number of domestic politicians, primarily deputies of the State Duma from the Communist Party, appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin to abandon the practice of the so-called drapery of the Lenin Mausoleum. In this regard, it is worth recalling from what time and for what reason such a "tradition" appeared.

Many today undertake to claim that it starts in 2005, with the celebration of the 60th anniversary of the Victory. This is generally true, but not quite. The starting point should be considered, rather, the year 1997, starting from which the leaders of our state stopped climbing the rostrum of the Mausoleum to host the parade. Either laziness was, or they understood that this height was not on them ... It was from that time that the stage began to be erected near the Mausoleum from which the president, members of the Supreme Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Russia, looked at the military columns passing by.



“Honored guests” ... Here in this phrase most likely lies the explanation of the fact that it was in 2005 that the Mausoleum was first hidden under enormous panels and various designs. All of them, of course, were covered with inscriptions and images befitting the date, but the proud granite colossus from which Stalin admonished the soldiers of the Red Army, who went into battle in 1941 and greeted the victors in 1945, disappeared from the eyes of men.

Still would! “High representatives” of various countries attended that parade that year: German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, Italian leader Silvio Berlusconi, French President Jacques Chirac. As well as no less high-ranking guests from other countries - even the notorious Russophobe, who was then heading Ukraine, Viktor Yushchenko made a mess of himself. And, of course, the most important and, as is customary to say, “landmark”, was that this event was “honored” by US President George W. Bush (Jr.) with his presence.

It is no coincidence that I began the enumeration with the heads of those states that during the years of World War II fought against the USSR and were defeated by its victorious army. Perhaps they did not want to offend their "subtle feelings"? Although, it was rather the head of the White House, which could not appear on television screens and front pages of newspapers against the background of the name, still deeply hated by the West, and the building, which is a symbol of the time when its rulers were forced to reckon with our country in words, but in deed.

At a time when it seemed that the normal coexistence of Russia and the United States, as well as Russia and other NATO countries, it is possible that our country will be allowed to develop and even accept it on equal footing in international affairs, such a step could still be somehow explain. Not to understand, not to justify, not to support, but at least to find for him a clear and pragmatic reason. However, have the geopolitical changes that have occurred since then not dispelled the last vestiges of illusions, if any, in the Kremlin? Why continue the ridiculous practice humiliating for a great country? In the hope that "is still forming"? By inertia?

In 2018, the high-ranking foreign guests of the Victory Parade were Serbian President Alexander Vucic and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. In 2020, the heads of 12 states are expected to arrive, including Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Serbia, etc. It seems that even Donald Trump was invited - so now, because of his cave anti-communism, we’ll hide our plywood again historyour memory? Will there be much honor? Especially after this figure and the people from his team, over and over again, begin to tell that the United States defeated Nazism. So, maybe it's time to remind who, whom, and most importantly, under whose authority and with what banners he won?

Someone very neatly and aptly said: “A parade without a Mausoleum is like a procession without icons ...” The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the country created by Vladimir Lenin, won the Great Patriotic War. The hordes of the Nazi invaders and their allies were defeated by the Soviet people under the leadership of the Communist Party, under the red banner and under the command of Joseph Stalin. Like it today, someone or not, but it was. And the opinion of the West on this matter does not have absolutely any value.

In this anniversary year, the Kremlin, as never before, should have completely rejected the incomprehensible attitude of most Russians towards that time, its realities and its relics. If Victory is our greatest holiday, valor and pride of our people, then its celebration should take place without any regard to anyone "from the other side" and attempts to correct our own history in the spirit of the notorious "political correctness".

The mausoleum is going to be "hidden" this year. Whether this can be called political expediency is a big question, especially considering that the authorities themselves are talking about the need to resist attempts to rewrite, "drape" history, including the history of Victory.

  • Alexander Kharaluzhny
  • frame of the report on the celebration of the 74th anniversary of the Victory (2019)
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  1. +59
    15 June 2020 07: 42
    "Hidden" Mausoleum: political expediency or attempt to "drape" the history of the Victory

    You can distort the history of the country ... but for no one it ended in good things!
    And these catch up, MANDATORY!
    1. +65
      15 June 2020 07: 54
      The French never distort their history, they celebrate the day of the capture of the Bastille, and at least henna. Although the Great French Revolution of Horrors spawned more of ours. But they still celebrate and are proud of their past. That's because skiers! But we don’t want as in France ...
      1. +33
        15 June 2020 08: 01
        It is unfortunate if the Mausoleum is again “masked”. The approach of the Company of the Honor Guard to the Mausoleum would look very symbolic ... albeit without throwing Nazi banners at its foot, like 75 years ago!
        1. +52
          15 June 2020 08: 13
          It is unfortunate if the Mausoleum is again “masked”. The approach of the Company of the Honor Guard to the Mausoleum would look very symbolic ...

          They have long fenced themselves off from everyone at whose expense they are fattening. And the "fat" was privatized. It is regrettable, but it has become a trend, hiding the face, to expose indecency.

          let without throwing at its foot Nazi banners, as 75 years ago!

          As the story goes, the last to throw at the foot of the Mausoleum were those banners that are now marching on Red Square.
          1. +44
            15 June 2020 08: 24
            Quote: lexus
            As the story goes, the last to throw at the foot of the Mausoleum were those banners that are now marching on Red Square.

            Putin’s parade is a popular show that has nothing to do with the 1945 Winners Parade.
            Shl. If it was possible to resurrect the participants in the 45th Parade, then the first people they would have shot there are our "favorite" top "politicians".
            1. +30
              15 June 2020 08: 35
              If it was possible to resurrect the participants in the 45th Parade, then the first people they would have shot there are our "favorite" top "politicians".

              Here to the last from the overtaking glorious Soviet past and fight back. Judging by the fact that galoshes have already begun to move, they do not have much time left.
              1. +17
                15 June 2020 08: 55
                Quote: lexus
                Here to the last from the overtaking glorious Soviet past and fight back. Judging by the fact that galoshes have already begun to move, they do not have much time left.

                Dear Comrade, it is these galoshes that they will eat, giving testimonies against each other in the pre-trial detention center. hi
                1. +17
                  15 June 2020 09: 15
                  it is these galoshes that they will eat, giving testimonies to each other in the pre-trial detention center.

                  They feel that they will not be brought to the pre-trial detention center, and they are pushing with all their might, like bed bugs, on runny legs, hoping in vain to jump over the Soviet History, which is always striving forward, back to the Middle Ages.
                  1. +19
                    15 June 2020 09: 51
                    The mausoleum is going to be "hidden" this year as well. Can this be called political expediency

                    That is exactly what you should call. And how else to take the parade to those who stand under the Vlasov flag? Well, not at the Mausoleum of V.I. Lenin!

                    Power itself shows through its actionsreal place in historical parallels. To see this is not at all difficult. You just need to be careful.
                    1. +5
                      15 June 2020 11: 21
                      .... and how else .... the Vlasov flag ........
                      respected Stas157!
                      I like your comment, but this is not the Vlasov flag. Recently, in the rubric of history, there was an article about Wrangel, his portrait on the background of which flag?
                      There is also an article by Shpakovsky about this flag, somehow armored train United Russia, in my September 2016 ..... also on white posters .....
                      In general, dear comrades, a search engine to help you.
                      1. +20
                        15 June 2020 16: 12
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Only here is not the Vlasov flag.

                        Indeed, the tricolor was used not only by Vlasov. The kings also had such a flag. But in 1917 the tsarist autocracy was over.

                        Historical significance assigned by the last significant event. And the events are as follows - the enemies of the USSR used the tricolor in the last two wars. In the Civil and World War II. Both were the worst and most bloody in the entire history of our state. And most importantly - we are discussing the victory parade in the Second World War, and then (as I don’t know now) the Vlasov flag was exactly on the opposite side. hi
                      2. Alf
                        +11
                        15 June 2020 20: 08
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        somehow armored train United Russia,

                    2. DVR
                      -18
                      15 June 2020 20: 05
                      That is exactly what you should call. And how else to take the parade to those who stand under the Vlasov flag?

                      I don’t understand why all the Vlasovites call the Russian flag Vlasov?
                    3. -1
                      25 June 2020 08: 55
                      Stas157 only Russophobes and Vlasovites call the flag of Russia Vlasov. Communist Vlasov general of the red army. And for your information, Rosenberg approved the Andreev flag for the ROA and not the tricolor.
                  2. +1
                    19 June 2020 19: 09
                    By the way, the shameful tradition of drapery of the Mausoleum is NOTHING better than the liberal interpretation of Russian History, while at the same time not becoming less shameful.
                2. +6
                  16 June 2020 05: 37
                  Hello! Will not! Why? Because they amended the CONSTITUTION on the ex-president’s jurisdiction! That's it, yep, do what you want, it’s all the same. It’s bad for the people! I think so
                  1. +3
                    16 June 2020 08: 57
                    Imagine yourself in the place of the president, your orders, decrees, laws, including to destroy people, groups, etc. Do you think you will live long after leaving your post?
              2. +2
                21 June 2020 19: 13
                Even after death, they fear and hate Lenin, because he showed that another world, a world without the exploitation of man by man, a world where the dignity of man is not determined by the amount of money in his account, where man is friend to man, comrade and brother, a world where thieves and speculators sit in prison, rather than governing society, is possible. And this fear does not give them rest, they are mortally afraid and do not bring us ordinary people, because we, like 100 years ago, using the teachings of Marx, Engels, Lenin on the liberation of the proletariat, can dare to take away their ideal world, their paradise, the paradise built at our expense, our labor and sweat.
            2. +17
              15 June 2020 09: 02
              Quote: Malyuta
              Putin’s parade is a popular show that has nothing to do with the 1945 Winners Parade.

              Well, at least he’s doing something. The truth is I don’t understand how you can respect and dislike the winners at the same time, dividing them into political classes. The Soviet government and Lenin are bad, and the Soviet soldier who fought and defended this Soviet power is good? And he it makes the big half of young people think so. Okay, liberals are whom he refers to as dissidents, but does the majority of active youth believe him? Just yesterday I watched ITON TV, where Kedmi smashed Putin’s remarks about Lenin and attempts to demolish the Mausoleum.
              1. +4
                15 June 2020 09: 37
                I always admire Y. Kedmi! REAL EXPERT, and not afraid to express his opinion.
              2. +17
                15 June 2020 09: 40
                Quote: Mar. Tira
                True, I don’t understand how it is possible to respect and not love the winners at the same time, dividing them into political classes. The Soviet government and Lenin are bad, and the Soviet soldier who fought and defended this Soviet power well? And he makes so much of the young people think so .

                This is the false patriotism, which screamers are overwhelmed with.
            3. -9
              15 June 2020 09: 06
              Quote: Malyuta
              If it was possible to resurrect the participants in the 45th Parade, then the first people they would have shot there are our "favorite" top "politicians".

              Zyuganov, Grudinin, Yeltsin (pulled out from the grave), Gorbachov and the rest of the Central Committee of the CPSU, the top ... All to the guillotine. And also all kinds of current com. desks of figures ...
              1. -27
                15 June 2020 09: 24
                There is a commissioner for the trench and approaches the machine gunner.
                - Comrade Ivanov! Why not shoot?
                - So there are no cartridges!
                “Well, you are a communist!”
              2. -8
                16 June 2020 13: 40
                Quote: 30 vis
                Zyuganov, Grudinin, Yeltsin (pulled out of the grave), Gorbachov

                Minusants came running ... See you! How Gorbachev and Grudinin came to the defense! Fighters for the honor of Yeltsin and Zyuganov am .
            4. -7
              15 June 2020 13: 46
              Question:
              If
              Putin’s parade is a popular show that has nothing to do with the 1945 Winners Parade.

              then why was the melody of Alexandrov chosen as the music of the anthem of Russia?
              Why not Glinka?
              Are you sure that he will ever become one? For this, in your opinion, a vote has been initiated?
            5. 0
              16 June 2020 20: 56
              whom would they shoot there


              Shot? No. It's too "chivalrous". Shoot .... After the Nuremberg trials, the convicts were hanged, right?
          2. +8
            15 June 2020 08: 26
            Quote: lexus
            As the story goes, the last to throw at the foot of the Mausoleum were those banners that are now marching on Red Square.

            This is all foresight ... but these banners will also become the history of Russia. Everything will go to the museum, because it’s IMPOSSIBLE to DELETE ANYTHING from the history!
        2. 0
          15 June 2020 08: 23
          Quote: ANIMAL
          The approach of the Company of the Honor Guard to the Mausoleum would look very symbolic ... even if without throwing Nazi banners at its foot, like 75 years ago!

          Symbolically! But, real banners, this is all a rarity, a museum exhibit !!! and we don’t need a remake ...
        3. +11
          15 June 2020 08: 26
          Quote: ANIMAL
          The approach of the Company of the Honor Guard to the Mausoleum would look very symbolic ... albeit without throwing Nazi banners at its foot, like 75 years ago!

          And it would be possible to throw the Nazi banners at the foot of the Mausoleum. Remind everyone who won the Victory.
          1. +12
            15 June 2020 08: 50
            And it would be possible to throw the Nazi banners at the foot of the Mausoleum.

            They were burned at the First Parade. If these are concocted on a new basis, I'm sure there will be some mischief-makers who will begin to self-image with this abomination. "Shashlik" on the Eternal Flame is a confirmation of this.

            Remind everyone who won the Victory.

            Who! The defeatists who kicked up their legs, sculpt memorial plaques for the "muddergames" and memorials to the Italian fascists? Who will take them to the "alternate airfields" later?
        4. +17
          15 June 2020 08: 29
          To be ashamed of their history is a sign not inherent in the Great Stainless.
          V.I. Lenin must not see to whom TODAY belongs the land, factories, factories.
          1. -9
            15 June 2020 10: 43
            But I was upset and ashamed when in 1985 in Magdeburg, a crowd of Soviet tourists swept away all the shoes in a department store. The saleswoman looked perplexedly at the remaining two units of shoes of different sizes but on one leg. Should it be inherent in the Great Stainless?
            1. +11
              15 June 2020 14: 32
              And what should be inherent in a great power in the opinion of the critics of the USSR, who ruined all branches of the country with their "work"? What do you boast about after the destruction of the USSR - imports, counterfeits for Soviet products - but a lot and without queues?
            2. +3
              16 June 2020 19: 31
              It should, on the contrary, be glad of the proceeds)))))) Fritz is not so broad in heart to buy shoes for now and outgrowth laughing laughing
        5. AUL
          +15
          15 June 2020 09: 28
          Quote: ANIMAL
          It is unfortunate if the Mausoleum is again “masked”.

          You see, if you take a parade from the mausoleum, then people can begin to compare. I.V. Stalin at the mausoleum ... V.V. Putin at the mausoleum ...
          No, this is decidedly impossible!
        6. +5
          15 June 2020 10: 18
          Quote: ANIMAL
          It is unfortunate if the Mausoleum is again “masked”.

          I am a categorical opponent of "draping" the Mausoleum.
          But also to these ... (You know who I am.) And especially against the representatives of the West rising to the rostrum of the Mausoleum. Place them separately so as not to get dirty.
        7. 0
          15 June 2020 11: 17
          well, why without throwing ... in the Donbass you can borrow, for such a case
        8. -2
          15 June 2020 15: 59
          with a call to abandon the practice of the so-called drapery of the Mausoleum of Vladimir Lenin.

          And replace with regular drapery.
      2. +2
        15 June 2020 08: 17
        Yes, but the French are not crap on their past. And they are proud of both Napoleon and their kings and castles. And why did the Bolsheviks demolish monuments to all outstanding figures of Russia? Where are the monuments to those who perished during World War I? Ushakov’s grave was destroyed, Bagration was destroyed, Skobelev was destroyed ... and you can list it indefinitely. They and the city do not change the name for the sake of the ruling party. And we have? Everything was corroded from the minds of Russian people. I asked (I taught at a higher education institution at one time), what was the name of the city of Volgograd previously called? Everyone knows that Stalingrad. And what was it called until 1? No one answered. These are the lovers of Russian history and educated the people. For example, do you know who closed all the historical and philosophical faculties in Soviet Russia? Who forbade teaching the history of Russia in schools? And who and when again allowed? Answer if there is a desire.
        1. +1
          15 June 2020 08: 31
          Quote: captain
          Yes, but the French are not crap on their past.

          So far, yes, because the FRENCHES themselves ... but behind them, too, "a certain trail is creeping" and nothing is clear what is happening now!
          Many new authorities / rulers started with destruction sometimes reaching the point of going \ E \ tism! Such morals from them and learns from the mistakes of the previous ones, they do not want ... so all of them then "catch up" .... "jokes with history" end the same!
        2. +13
          15 June 2020 08: 35
          Quote: captain
          I asked (I taught at a higher education institution at one time), what was the name of the city of Volgograd previously called? Everyone knows that Stalingrad. And what was it called until 1925? No one answered.

          You are joking? from whom and where did you ask? In the history textbook, the defense of CARICINE was covered quite normally ... in the same place, Comrade Stalin led !!! Yes, and historical names in the city are easy to find.
        3. +14
          15 June 2020 08: 42
          Quote: captain
          Answer if there is a desire.

          I don’t know who closed these faculties, but I read that now the history of the Second World War in the textbook takes 2 pages and 6 pages, about the role of America in the war
          1. -3
            15 June 2020 11: 11
            Quote: Silvestr
            I don’t know who closed these faculties, but I read that now the history of the Second World War in the textbook takes 2 pages and 6 pages, about the role of America in the war

            Yeah, in American textbooks only.
        4. -3
          15 June 2020 11: 03
          Quote: captain
          Yes, but the French are not crap on their past. And they are proud of both Napoleon and their kings and castles. And why did the Bolsheviks demolish monuments to all outstanding figures of Russia? Where are the monuments to those who perished during World War I? Ushakov’s grave was destroyed, Bagration was destroyed, Skobelev was destroyed ... and you can list it indefinitely. They and the city do not change the name for the sake of the ruling party.

          If you think the French approach is right, then maybe you should start with yourself and refrain from similar, divorced from the historical context accusatory attacks against our history?
        5. -4
          16 June 2020 19: 37
          Sovkodrochecher no such thoughts. Their minds are splashing around in the framework of 17-91gg. And in fact, the period of the late 60s to the mid 80s when the social paradise was celebrated is sung.
      3. -1
        15 June 2020 08: 21
        Quote: Dalny V
        The French never distort their history, they celebrate the day of the capture of the Bastille, and at least henna.

        I would not say that they are not catching up with anything at all ... there, and everywhere, they find what else to distort, except for history.
      4. +10
        15 June 2020 08: 24
        Quote: Dalny V
        But they still celebrate and are proud of their past.

        Forgetting the past, we forget our ancestors, we forget our identity, we forget ourselves.
      5. +9
        15 June 2020 09: 07
        Quote: Far In
        The French never distort their history, they celebrate the day of the capture of the Bastille, and at least henna. Although the Great French Revolution of Horrors spawned more of ours. But they still celebrate and are proud of their past. That's because skiers! But we don’t want as in France ...

        The French do not refuse from the horrors of the Revolution either, nor do they cry from the abolition of the estates, and from the execution of the monarch and his wife. Do not call for repentance about this! And still own Guiana and the islands in the Pacific and Indian!
        And the British do not repent of either the execution of the "Black Jack" or the Glorious Revolution!
        1. +1
          15 June 2020 09: 47
          Quote: Reptiloid
          And the British do not repent of either the execution of the "Black Jack" or the Glorious Revolution!

          But already the monuments began to demolish.
          1. +1
            15 June 2020 11: 41
            Quote: tihonmarine
            ..... But already the monuments began to demolish.

            Actually, yes, but they are not ashamed of their revolutions! laughing
            1. +2
              15 June 2020 13: 32
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Actually, yes, but they are not ashamed of their revolutions!

              His story cannot be ashamed.
      6. +7
        15 June 2020 11: 05
        Quote: Dalny V
        The French never distort their history, celebrate the day of the capture of the Bastille, and even henna

        Because the French are proud of their history, and the Vlasovites are afraid .. they understand that they betrayed and are afraid.
      7. +10
        15 June 2020 11: 41
        Grandfather Volodya wants to see with friends and guests of elephants and tanks how shameful you are not ashamed to be ashamed of him ... fu to be like that ... request
      8. 0
        16 June 2020 20: 52
        celebrate and be proud of their past anyway


        Well done. They do not want to spit on their ancestors. Are proud of.
        It’s interesting, but are they also proud of the fact that Paris passed the 2nd World War without a fight?
    2. -22
      15 June 2020 08: 20
      I agree with you. That was distorted after the revolution and the result is obvious. In our country, the majority of people believe that Siberia and the Far East annexed Lenin to the USSR. And Sverdlovsk built Sverdlov.
      1. +25
        15 June 2020 08: 32
        I’ll tell you a terrible secret: both the Siberia and the Far East were joined by Lenin. To Russia is another question. And where do you live, if it’s not a secret, that most of your people think that Sverdlovsk was built by Sverdlov, and at the same time does not know what Stalingrad was called until 1925? What a selective awareness!
        And one more secret, especially for you. The French renamed. They even got to the calendar. A certain citizen of Louis Saint-Cyr turned out to be a citizen of Nobody. Ask why.
      2. +31
        15 June 2020 08: 42
        Quote: captain
        That was distorted after the revolution and the result is obvious.

        Which face? The Soviets only took up the power that lay on the ground. The kings praised by you brought the country to a natural collapse, and only the people's power that came in October 1917 did not allow it to be torn to pieces. Having received a country with a plow, the councils you hated raised its greatness to an unprecedented level. And now, after 1990, your anti-people government has once again torn apart all its greatness. And, yes, the kings joined Siberia and the Far East, but they mastered and settled its advice. And now people are fleeing from there again, as if from a cursed place. A worthless, rotten power in its powerlessness can only scold the Soviets and lie, lie, lie. Ugh on them and those who support her
        1. +13
          15 June 2020 13: 41
          Quote: kjhg
          The kings praised by you brought the country to a natural collapse, and only the people's power that came in October 1917 did not allow it to be torn to pieces.

          The kings brought the country to an end, and the beloved democrats, led by Kerensky, simply ruined it.
      3. +2
        15 June 2020 08: 49
        Quote: captain
        I agree with you. That was distorted after the revolution and the result is obvious. In our country, the majority of people believe that Siberia and the Far East annexed Lenin to the USSR. And Sverdlovsk built Sverdlov.
      4. -22
        15 June 2020 08: 50
        For me, the mausoleum is a burial place. And according to military rituals: - when lowering the coffin, a threefold salute is made; - at the end of the burial, troops pass near the grave in a solemn march. Nevertheless, Nadot must bury the leader humanly and the debate will run out by itself.
        1. +10
          15 June 2020 13: 48
          Quote: a.hamster55
          For me, the mausoleum is a burial place.

          And for me, the Soviet man, the Mausoleum is a heroic personification of our people, especially on November 7, 1941, when soldiers went straight from the Parade to the front, and on June 24, 1945, when defeated fascist standards flew to the foot of the Mausoleum, and our fathers and grandfathers passed near the mausoleum.
          1. +5
            15 June 2020 14: 41
            The attitude towards Lenin in the post-Soviet period is even more important than under the USSR. He clearly defines who is on the territory of the USSR for the BEST State for their country and the majority of the people, except for criminals and worthless parasites on the neck of the people, the USSR, and on those who are WORSE than the USSR for the State for their country and the majority of the people, what was The Russian Empire, and became degraded, impoverished, dying out "independence-self" on the territory of the former USSR.
          2. -3
            16 June 2020 19: 43
            Some kind of nonsense in your head. The mausoleum is only part of the area. If he was not there, then the troops passed in the same place as then then now. And the German banners were thrown off somewhere else. What does Lenin and the mausoleum have to do with it?
    3. +13
      15 June 2020 14: 54
      But at the foot of the Mausoleum they threw flags, etc., of the states defeated by the Red Army and the Soviet people. Putin appropriated the victory, and Lenin was his personal enemy, he planted a bomb under the country stolen by the bourgeoisie.
    4. +8
      15 June 2020 17: 40
      The current Kremlin power in no way refers to the Victory. Rather, the opposite. It is enough to recall a commemorative plaque to the killer of Leningrad Mannerheim, a monument to Hitler’s General Krasnov, SS General and Punisher Shkuro, loud statements about the need for rehabilitation of General Vlasov and his accomplices. T.ch. the actions of the authorities to drape the Lenin Mausoleum on Victory Day are perfectly clear - he is not their leader and this is not their holiday.
    5. 0
      15 June 2020 20: 13
      “Whoever shoots at the past with a pistol, the future will shoot at that one!” - R. Gamzatov.
    6. +6
      16 June 2020 07: 46
      Our authorities are trying to drape not only the Mausoleum on Red Square.
      She is trying to hide, hide the meaning of a certain article in our new Constitution, which describes the procedure for electing the President of the Russian Federation.
      I'm about article 81, paragraph 3, subparagraph 1.
      I read it several times.
      It seems to be written in Russian, but the meaning is slipping away.
      Here is this casuistry masterpiece:
      3.1. The provision of Part 3 of Article 81 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, limiting the number of terms during which the same person may hold the office of the President of the Russian Federation, applies to a person holding and (or) holding the office of the President of the Russian Federation, without taking into account the number of terms, during whom he held and (or) holds this position at the time the amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation enters into force, introducing an appropriate restriction, and does not exclude the possibility for him to hold the office of the President of the Russian Federation for the periods allowed by this provision.
      Well, how do you like the drapery?
      David Copperfield is resting! Watch your hands carefully ...
      Authorities not only the Mausoleum drape. They drape our minds.
      I really want to rule forever. Terrible for the good "acquired by overwork."
      The image of Elbasy shines on the horizon ... wink
  2. +32
    15 June 2020 07: 44
    this height is not for them
    that's for sure. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. But the mausoleum will not be draped anyway. He will be a direct reproach to the current government. The Soviet leadership from the stands of the mausoleum acted on really great occasions, in honor of the next achievements, which were enough. But there’s nothing to brag about today. So the lower they are, the less noticeable they are.
    1. +41
      15 June 2020 08: 06
      Quote: Dalny V
      But the mausoleum will not be draped anyway. He will be a direct reproach to the current government.

      Everything is easier. From the mausoleum, the ITT Victory Parade was accepted. And the dwarfs in the shadow of the giant are uncomfortable.
      1. +24
        15 June 2020 08: 19
        And the dwarfs in the shadow of the giant are uncomfortable.

        It is scary that the shadow can fall and crush.
        1. +15
          15 June 2020 08: 35
          Yes, the scale of personalities today went wrong. The personality is now vile, puffy and unworthy of the amount of money stolen from the working population by the exploitation of the Soviet legacy. The legacy is still used, and the Mausoleum is draped. It would be logical to drape the people who climbed it to hold the Victory Parade, and leave the Mausoleum open. If I really want to, I can’t curtain something because of the obvious incompatibility with the history of my country.
          1. +7
            15 June 2020 09: 35
            Quote: depressant
            Yes, the scale of personalities today went wrong.

            "Was there a cult, yes there was, but there was also a personality!" and the current ...
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            And the dwarfs in the shadow of the giant are uncomfortable.

            good love
        2. +14
          15 June 2020 08: 50
          Quote: lexus
          the shadow may fall and crush.

          That is why the portrait was banned - all comparisons are not in their favor
      2. -22
        15 June 2020 09: 19
        Those. do you think Lenin is a dwarf in the shadow of Stalin? So let's change the burial place, because Stalin did more for the Victory.
    2. +3
      15 June 2020 15: 03
      Quote: Dalny V
      that's for sure. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. And the mausoleum still does not rape

      Here in the photo above, May 9, 2019, even the red star was made halfway, it is clear that this is not casual.
  3. +11
    15 June 2020 07: 46
    Why continue the ridiculous practice humiliating for a great country?
    This is an unanswered question! Keep silent those in power ....
    1. +17
      15 June 2020 07: 53
      The thing is that we do not ask this question. They have other sources of information. Even if you ask such a question in the forehead, the president will either laugh it off (the notorious Soviet galoshes), or begin to talk about new times, landmarks .. Yes, they do not care. The wrong people got caught.
      1. +16
        15 June 2020 08: 28
        So they asked a question ...
        A few days before the anniversary Victory Parade, scheduled for June 24, a number of domestic politicians, primarily deputies of the State Duma from the Communist Party, appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin to abandon the practice of the so-called drapery of the Lenin Mausoleum
        The goldfish did not answer, just waved its tail request
        1. +8
          15 June 2020 08: 34
          He seems to be doing it on purpose ... so that everyone doesn’t roam there ... they don’t scratch marble ... he saves for himself ... so to speak ... housekeeping ...
          the first three to change is not a problem ...
        2. +12
          15 June 2020 08: 54
          Quote: NDR-791
          The goldfish did not answer, just waved its tail

          It reminds me of a scene with a cow in the Tu-23 bomb bay in a famous film. As the commander said, you want to live and you will not get up. And if you want to live well and forever?
        3. +2
          15 June 2020 15: 07
          Quote: NDR-791
          The goldfish did not answer, just waved its tail

          Here is the answer "goldfish". The time for worthy Victory Parades is over, and other parades have begun.
      2. Alf
        +1
        15 June 2020 20: 17
        Quote: 210ox
        Even if you ask such a question in the forehead, the president will either laugh it off (the notorious Soviet galoshes), or start talking about new times, landmarks ..


  4. +38
    15 June 2020 07: 57
    On November 7, 1941, on the main square of the country, a traditional military parade was held in honor of the anniversary of the October Revolution. But this parade was a special, turning point in the history of Russia, as well as the Great Patriotic and World War II: the whole world saw that the Red Army and the Soviet Union were determined to defend their homeland under any circumstances

    They bullied
    -Soviet history:
    The Great October Revolution
    -the great victory of the Soviet people in World War II
    They accustom. Probably. To the idea of ​​the uselessness of the mausoleum for the Russian Federation on Red Square (Overton's window). Then we are surprised at the rewriting of history in the West of World War 2 ... We ourselves give reasons for this ..
    1. +27
      15 June 2020 08: 10
      Quote: To be or not to be
      They bullied
      -Soviet history:
      The Great October Revolution
      -the great victory of the Soviet people in World War II

      This is our story. A great story. It is necessary to be proud, and not to hide bashfully.
      1. +2
        15 June 2020 13: 18
        Our History has long been buried ...
        The parade should be May 9 on Victory Day, and
        June 24th is a historic date
        - Parade of WINNERS !!!, ....
    2. -20
      15 June 2020 08: 23
      I know for sure that Russia was before 1917. And the vast territory and mineral reserves of the USSR inherited from the Russia that you hate.
      1. +24
        15 June 2020 08: 58
        A mansion, bourgeois yes. But is it a bunch of nobles and moneybags is that Russia? Millions of Russian soldiers are fighting in the fields of the Great War, for the interests of the same backbones, workers creating surplus value with hard work, peasants plowing their hands in the fields here is Russia. The people, threw off the burials, established the most fair laws on planet Earth. The most important ones, who do not work, do not eat, an equal start from birth and a ban on personal enrichment. The cornerstones of a society of equals.
        Ruined Temples, demolished monuments savagery. Only from fools and provocateurs, at an early stage in changing the world, there is no where to go. Then they cleaned it.
        1. -2
          15 June 2020 09: 52
          Quote: Essex62
          Ruined Temples, demolished monuments savagery.

          And let's look at America, what is happening, just social unrest, but monuments are being knocked down, in Russia, 17 years old change of social relations, it is clear that there was a frenzy and an ephoria "We will destroy the whole world of violence ..." but as time and events passed, the frenzy passed ...
      2. +6
        15 June 2020 11: 11
        Quote: captain
        And the vast territory and mineral reserves of the USSR inherited from the Russia that you hate.

        oga ... reserves. who disposed of oil. and platinum and gold mines to whom belonged under the king? and whose piece of iron was it? .. it's not worth spitting bile, well, if not a descendant of "counts and princes", of course ...
    3. +14
      15 June 2020 08: 30
      They didn’t bother, they ZEROZED it ... otherwise their significance in history will be invisible with historical significance (no matter whether their understanding of the significance in history is positive or negative for everyone) of Lenin, Stalin, and even Brezhnev.
      1. Alf
        +2
        15 June 2020 20: 20
        Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
        They didn’t bother, they ZEROZED it ... otherwise their significance in history will be invisible with historical significance (no matter whether their understanding of the significance in history is positive or negative for everyone) of Lenin, Stalin, and even Brezhnev.

    4. +15
      15 June 2020 08: 36
      Quote: To be or not to be
      They are accustoming. Probably to the idea of ​​the uselessness of the mausoleum for the Russian Federation on Red Square

      You are right, they want our children, grandchildren and the next generation to be the same "not remembering their kinship" as the generation of the West, so that we go under the LGBT flags, and on our knees ask for forgiveness (for what?) From various rabble, destroy would have their monuments, as is now done in the United States and Western countries.
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    7. +6
      15 June 2020 15: 29
      Quote: To be or not to be
      Then we are surprised at the rewriting of history in the West of World War 2 ... We ourselves give reasons for this ..

      This is the Victory Parade of the Soviet people on May 09, 1945

      And this is also a parade on May 09, 2019, but not a victory
  5. +30
    15 June 2020 07: 59
    "Hidden" Mausoleum: political expediency or attempt to "drape" the history of the Victory
    This is not an attempt, but a purposeful policy aimed at extracting from the history of the USSR. The mausoleum is not to be shown at the parade, it is not to say "I serve the Soviet Union" in films, although this answer has become mandatory for the Red Army and Red Navy men since 1937 ... and so on, and so on.
    1. +13
      15 June 2020 08: 11
      Quote: svp67
      in films it is impossible to say "I serve the Soviet Union", although this answer has become obligatory for the Red Army and Red Navy men since 1937 ...

      There is an opinion that the wording "I serve the working people" was replaced at the end of 1937 by the Charter of the Internal Service of the Red Army with "I serve the Soviet Union" (approved by order of the People's Commissar of Defense of the Soviet Union Voroshilov dated December 21.12.1937, 260, No. 1943), was replaced only in 31 , but there is no official evidence of this, so you need to believe in what really existed, and this Charter is the main law for the Army. Namely, article 1937 of the UMC - XNUMX, which reads:



      The only thing that is unambiguous is that while the UVS reached the troops, which is several months, the Red Army used the phrase "I serve the working people" for some time, no more ...
    2. +12
      15 June 2020 08: 31
      what the Nazis did not succeed, now without a fight.
    3. +3
      15 June 2020 08: 44
      Quote: svp67
      in films it is impossible to say "I serve the Soviet Union", although this answer has become obligatory for the Red Army and Red Navy men since 1937.

      Yes, disappear from the films and "I Serve the Working People."
  6. +16
    15 June 2020 08: 05
    The leaders of our state ceased to rise to the mausoleum to host the parade. Either they were lazy, or they realized that this was not their height

    They never grow, they hide ...
    Donald Trump was invited - so now, because of his cave-like anti-communism, to hide our history, our memory under veneer again? Will there be a lot of honor?

    Yes, they do not hide the Mausoleum from Trump’s eyes, but from their eyes. In 3,5 years, there will be 100 years from the death of the Leader, and to this day they are afraid of him, they are afraid of his name, they are afraid of his Mausoleum ...
    1. -16
      15 June 2020 08: 26
      Quote: Doccor18
      Yes, they do not hide the Mausoleum from Trump’s eyes, but from their eyes. In 3,5 years, there will be 100 years from the death of the Leader, and to this day they are afraid of him, they are afraid of his name, they are afraid of his Mausoleum ...

      I do not welcome this drapery. But let's argue sensibly, we would be afraid, as you say, of the Mausoleum, they would have already been demolished long ago. They would cover for a start under a plausible pretext (for repair) for a couple of years they stood and quietly dismantled. No problems, no sensations, no popular anger. So loud pathos is redundant here. Here he is just an attempt to once again humiliate his own leadership, similar to what we see every day from behind the hill. Remarkable, isn't it? By the way, Khrushchev, who threw Stalin out of the Mausoleum and laid the foundation for the collapse of international communist solidarity, also considered himself a loyal Leninist. So, people of different sizes ascended to the Mausoleum ... There were big ones, but there were quite a few ...
      1. +17
        15 June 2020 08: 33
        It would have been demolished long ago.

        It would have been demolished long ago, but that's bad luck. The elderly generation, which is the backbone of voting in all kinds of elections, will not support this.
        And young people have not voted for a long time.
        Demolished, only later. When will the generation that knew who V.I. Lenin is gone.
        1. -11
          15 June 2020 08: 46
          Quote: Doccor18
          The elderly generation, which is the backbone of voting in all kinds of elections, will not support this.

          That’s not at all a fact ... Lenin’s adherents are the Communist Party’s electorate, so they won’t have a strong influence on the current ruling elite. At one time, the Temple of KhS in the city center was blown up, a pool was made in its place - and no excesses. So in this case there is something other than just fear and pressure of mercantile feelings ...
          1. +5
            15 June 2020 08: 56
            Adherents of Lenin-the Communist Party electorate 

            I have never associated the modern Communist Party with Lenin.
            their time the Temple of KhS in the city center was blown up

            Well, you compared! 31st year. Another time. Party line to eradicate tsarism and religion, etc.
            1. -7
              15 June 2020 09: 39
              Quote: Doccor18
              Well, you compared! 31st year. Another time. Party line to eradicate tsarism and religion, etc.

              So what? It’s all the difference that the regime you hate blows your epithets and allows you to insult him in public space. In 1931, you would probably suffer for less, and perhaps very .... Your opinion would be somewhat different, I think.
            2. +1
              15 June 2020 15: 01
              Did everyone else fight only by handing out gifts to their opponents?
          2. +8
            15 June 2020 08: 58
            Quote: Hagen
            Adherents of Lenin are the Communist Party’s electorate, so they won’t have a strong influence on the current ruling elite.


            Do you bring everything "into a practical plane"? "Elections", "electorate", "ratings" and as a result - the power to steal ...

            Have you forgotten about the memory of the people’s, self-identification of the nation, with the great state - the USSR?
            1. -13
              15 June 2020 09: 29
              Quote: Insurgent
              "Elections", "electorate", "ratings" and as a result - the power to steal ...

              People in power have always stolen, and the current ones are no exception. That’s the principle by which you put ratings and the electorate as the reasons for theft - it’s not entirely clear.
              Quote: Insurgent
              Have you forgotten about the memory of the people’s, self-identification of the nation, with the great state - the USSR?

              And when the monument to Dzerzhinsky was brought down to the ground under the whistle of the same people, didn’t you remember the memory? No? Say - I did not bring down? So the Mausoleum will be dealt with without you and many others ... Only I think that the country of Russia is more than separate, albeit great, personalities. Yes, Lenin did not create a nation, no matter how it might have been for anyone.
              Quote: Insurgent
              with a great state - USSR

              I also consider the USSR Great. Because this is my youth, no matter how contradictory it may be. But let's be objective, great states live for centuries. USSR - did not live a hundred years. Here is Russia, indeed, a great country.
              1. +3
                15 June 2020 15: 04
                The trawl is blablabla.
                Quote: Hagen
                Here is Russia, indeed, a great country.

                Actually, I would immediately say that everything suits you now. And why not carry any demagogic snowstorm.
                1. -8
                  15 June 2020 16: 26
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Actually, I would immediately say that everything suits you now. And why not carry any demagogic snowstorm.

                  Rudeness instead of arguments is a characteristic feature of the sect of "witnesses of the Central Committee of the CPSU" ...
          3. +5
            15 June 2020 14: 49
            The huge pool "Moskva" in the open air, which was destroyed by the enemies of the communists, was much more useful to Muscovites than from your "business center" of the KhHS.
            1. -5
              16 June 2020 16: 03
              Quote: tatra
              The huge pool "Moskva" in the open air, which was destroyed by the enemies of the communists, was much more useful to Muscovites than from your "business center" of the KhHS.

              I said this to the fact that at the time of the destruction of the HHS, the entire population of Moscow was at least baptized, and the Communists did not give a damn about the opinion of this people. Actually, you do not care about him today, judging by the comment. But you are stubbornly trying to reinforce your rejection of the draping of the Mausoleum with the opinion and memory of the people. You are elementary double-dealing. For some reason, you have the opinion of one part of the people, the citizens of your state are not worth anything, and some other part of the population is a priority. You do not tolerate dissent even today. I can imagine what they would do once in power !!! They would fill the country with blood without flinching ...
          4. +2
            15 June 2020 23: 08
            Quote: Hagen
            At one time, the Temple of KhS in the city center was blown up, a pool was made in its place - and no excesses.

            Yes? And what is it that some comrades gathered for the pool - is that so?
      2. +9
        15 June 2020 08: 40
        an attempt to once again humiliate their own leadership ...

        Try to humiliate Peter I, Napoleon, Roosevelt, Stalin, Ataturk, Deng Xiaoping and other great rulers. In the best case, it will be ludicrous, in the worst it can be beaten by representatives of these peoples.
        The great cannot be humbled.
        1. -16
          15 June 2020 09: 35
          Quote: Doccor18
          Try to humiliate Peter I, Napoleon, Roosevelt, Stalin, Ataturk, Deng Xiaoping and other great rulers

          Quite recently, on the same resource, the flag of Peter was called "Vlasov". Regarding Stalin - read the materials of the 20th Congress of the same Leninist party. Few? And then, we talk about very subjective matters. These disputes, I think, will continue for more than a dozen years. More importantly, another, humiliating your current government, you work according to the plan of our "supposedly friends ...." with all the ensuing consequences.
          1. +8
            15 June 2020 10: 48
            Quote: Hagen
            More importantly, by humiliating your current government, you are working according to the plan of our "supposedly friends ...."

            Allegedly my current power laughing reset the pension system on the recommendations of our supposedly friends.
            1. -6
              15 June 2020 16: 15
              Quote: Karabin
              Allegedly my current government has reset the pension system

              You still have time to take countermeasures. Do you doubt that this is your current government? Then your experiences are incomprehensible ... wink
          2. Alf
            +6
            15 June 2020 20: 25
            Quote: Hagen
            More importantly, another, humiliating your current government, you work according to the plan of our "supposedly friends ...." with all the ensuing consequences.

            Okay, let's praise. But what exactly to praise is not entirely clear ...
            1. -5
              15 June 2020 20: 32
              Quote: Alf
              Okay, let's praise. Only what exactly to praise is not entirely clear ..

              As I understand it, the term "substantive and constructive criticism" is unknown to you ... laughing Than to beat and humiliate, is not it better to cooperate?
              1. Alf
                +8
                15 June 2020 20: 37
                Quote: Hagen
                Isn't it better to collaborate?

                With whom ? With these ?



                1. -7
                  15 June 2020 20: 46
                  Quote: Alf
                  With whom ? With these ?

                  Don't tell my sneakers !!! Whoever has the question "whether to cooperate with these", they do not kill in time. It is necessary to cooperate with the authorities and to criticize them in detail. And not so much some kind of supreme, but more of its own local, which was created for the arrangement of the life of a particular person. Because she is in charge of all our problems - health, education, electricity, roads near the house, etc. ... Besides, she is always there.
                  1. Alf
                    +6
                    15 June 2020 20: 50
                    Quote: Hagen
                    And not so much some kind of supreme one, but more of their local one, which was created to equip the life of a particular person.

                    Does the local government act separately from the highest? And the laws that the local authorities enforce, which party adopts? Workers and peasants or the big bourgeoisie?
                    Who to collaborate with?
                    Because in her care all our problems - health, education, electricity, roads at home, etc ....

                    And the local residents answer most of the problems - the center did not give money. Why didn't the center give money? But because there is no money in the state budget. Why is there no money in the treasury? But because a separate stratum of "socially responsible businessmen" finds them much better use in the form of exporting this money from the country. And it is precisely from their decisions that it turns out that the people are becoming poor, and they are getting richer.
                    1. Alf
                      +4
                      15 June 2020 20: 54
                      Quote: Alf
                      And it is from their decisions that it turns out that the people are impoverished, and they grow richer.

                    2. -10
                      15 June 2020 20: 56
                      Quote: Alf
                      Does the local government act separately from the highest? And the laws that local authorities enforce, which party adopts

                      And you will analyze your claims to life in detail, then you will understand who to ask questions. Each level of government has its own competence. But the laws that party you accept
                      and we choose. So to whom should questions be addressed?
                      1. Alf
                        +7
                        15 June 2020 20: 59
                        Quote: Hagen
                        But the laws that party you accept
                        and we choose.

                        Representatives of which party each time in the elections are caught constantly and repeatedly? Communists? Zhirinovites or Socialist-Revolutionaries? Something I did not hear the Communists stuffing did.
                      2. -9
                        15 June 2020 21: 07
                        Quote: Alf
                        Something I did not hear the Communists stuffing did.

                        Where there were gross violations, the elections were recognized as not held and re-elected. Nevertheless, EP (by the way, I’m not at all a fan of EP) won the election with a very clear advantage. Violate, by the way, all the parties. Just EP in number more.
                      3. Alf
                        +5
                        15 June 2020 21: 11
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Where there were gross violations, the elections were recognized as not held and re-elected.

                        Yes, yes, tell me about it in the Far East, where the candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation who won the race was removed from his post on a trumped-up charge, and since the region has no "head" in any way, Moscow sent its own person from the United Russia to the post, but without election.
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Violate, by the way, all the parties.

                        Once again, the question is-have you heard about the stuffing of the Communist Party? With all the dominance in the media, the liberal United Russia has never had such a case.
                      4. -3
                        16 June 2020 06: 01
                        Quote: Alf
                        Yes, yes, tell me about it in the Far East, where the Communist Party candidate who won the race was removed from his post on trumped-up charges.

                        Are you not an employee of the prosecutor’s office or court for an hour? Are you familiar with the materials? Or a traditional source - OBS? And if you know what they threw in, why are you silent? In general, everything is clear ... except for speculation, no confirmed information. Profuka power in the 91st, and now everyone is to blame.
                      5. Alf
                        0
                        16 June 2020 19: 25
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Are you not an employee of the prosecutor’s office or court for an hour? Are you familiar with the materials? Or a traditional source - OBS? And if you know what they threw in, why are you silent? In general, everything is clear ... except for speculation, no confirmed information.

                        Clearly, there is nothing to cover, we pass to general foggy phrases ...
                      6. -2
                        16 June 2020 20: 50
                        Quote: Alf
                        Clearly, there is nothing to cover, we pass to general foggy phrases ...

                        This is your one fog. Well, someone said they threw it in ... These are all words, and even repeated by you, possibly with a distorted meaning. The plausibility of the accusation can be indicated if there is any evidence. And you have one words. After the election, all the losers say they cannot prove anything. They work poorly, not convincingly. But who, in himself, recognizes the cause of the defeat ?! Everyone is guilty except me !!!
        2. +4
          15 June 2020 11: 58
          Try to humiliate Peter I, Napoleon, Roosevelt, Stalin, Ataturk, Deng Xiaoping and other great rulers. In the best case, it will be ludicrous, in the worst it can be beaten by representatives of these peoples.

          Not entirely correct.
          To humiliate Peter-1, Stalin, Im.Alexander and further the entire list of Russian rulers from Gostomysl to Putin is easy. First of all, in Russia, since the ruler of Russia was bad, chopped heads, fought with neighbors, ruined people, didn’t feed the nobles, there was a famine in his rule, there were diseases, he built cities on bones .....
          But to humiliate Napoleon in France, Roosevelt in the USA, Attartuk in Turkey, Deng Xiaoping in China, who did the same (they chopped heads, killed people, allowed hunger, built cities on bones, they didn’t break their people on their knees. story!
          So it turns out that they can humiliate the rulers in Russia (well, intellectuals like to repent), but if you try to humiliate the rulers of other countries, they can even beat you with your feet.
        3. -4
          15 June 2020 12: 50
          Stalin was humiliated by the Communists at the 20th Party Congress. And no one beat them.
      3. Alf
        +4
        15 June 2020 20: 22
        Quote: Hagen
        they would be afraid, as you say, of the Mausoleum, they would have already been demolished a long time ago. They would cover for a start under a plausible pretext (for repair) for a couple of years they stood and quietly dismantled.

        About retirement age, too, at first they spoke negatively, and then they said, please accept with understanding.
        1. -8
          15 June 2020 20: 38
          Quote: Alf
          About retirement age, too, at first they spoke negatively, and then they said, please accept with understanding.

          Yes, they spoke negatively. They pumped money into demography. Did not help. Do you like an early beggarly pension? No? On the other hand, you can leave for your own pension at any time .... Personally, I am going to 60-63 ... with all the increases, etc.
          1. Alf
            +1
            15 June 2020 22: 52
            Quote: Hagen
            They pumped money into demography. Did not help.

            And why ? Is it because the youth did NOT WANT to give birth, saying that with such power in the country, changes for the better should not be expected, which, in general, is confirmed every day.
            Quote: Hagen
            Do you like an early beggarly pension?

            And why, under the "damned commies", pensions were paid from the treasury, and now from the obscure, muddy Pensfond formation?
            Quote: Hagen
            beggarly pension

            Why is she miserable? Why are pensioners paid 3/4 of their salary? For some reason, they have money on them. With a salary of 30 thousand, a retired official will receive 22 thousand, something already, and bureaucrats do not have 30 tyros each, but a hard worker who has been breathing oil emulsion all his life will receive a maximum of 14.
            Why did the pension in the USSR amount to 132 rubles, which one could have lived on, although I don’t argue, it was even less, and now the average pension is 12-13 thousand, of which half is spent on communal services and drugs, and an elderly person depends on drugs retirement, and is that good if half? Where are the promised 25 million jobs from which young people will pay pensions to their old people? What prevented this time? Own curvature or complete incompetence of power? Pensvozhrazh shifted to the right by five, then the old man will plow for another five years at the factory, and then where will the youth work, who feed their current pensioners with their deductions? The wheel is spinning ..
            In the end, the wisest (or the wisest?) Declared that "you have deceived me." Then where is the landing of the deceived? And if you don't touch your friends, then at least cancel the reform, but, no ...
            1. -1
              16 June 2020 13: 35
              Quote: Alf
              Is it because the youth did not want to give birth, saying that with such power in a country of change for the better, one should not wait

              I do not know what your life experience is, but it is probably not great, for do not reduce the cause to the effect. Young people do not want to give birth both in our country and in all countries of traditional Christianity. There, Afghanistan, there are continuous changes for the better. And there are 24 people per thousand increase per year.
              Quote: Alf
              And why, under the "damned commies", pensions were paid from the treasury, and now from the obscure, muddy Pensfond formation?

              And today, what pension? You can call the PFR anything you like, it is a government agency where the funds of part of the social payments of employers are accumulated. If there is a lack of funds, it is supplemented by a transfer from the state budget. What is the difference to you from that cash flow mechanics? What then, what today, you and I and all pensioners, except for participants in the NPF, have nothing to do with the mechanics of collecting these funds.
              Quote: Alf
              With a salary of 30 thousand, a retired official will receive 22 thousand, already something, and bureaucrats do not have 30 tyros each,

              Why didn't you become an official? They could also receive different "tyras". Have you been exiled to your factory? We all independently build our life perspective. Someone goes to the army, someone to the police, someone to officials - and all by themselves, by their own will. Why are we suddenly complaining today? wink
              ,
              1. Alf
                +1
                16 June 2020 19: 29
                Quote: Hagen
                You can call the PFR anything you like, it is a government agency where the funds of part of the social payments of employers are accumulated. If there is a lack of funds, it is supplemented by a transfer from the state budget.

                Then why is it needed, this FIU?

                Quote: Hagen
                Have you been sent to your factory? Someone goes to the army, some to the police, some to officials - and all by themselves, by their will.

                You are right, I did not go to the police and bureaucrats, my conscience was available.
                About the strange calculation of pensions you have nothing to answer, everything is clear ...
                1. -1
                  16 June 2020 20: 44
                  Quote: Alf
                  I did not go to the police and bureaucrats; my conscience was available.

                  According to your precinct, who parses the drunken fights of home boxers, opera, revealing theft from the population, murders, etc., registry office workers registering births, deaths, marriage, etc. - all these are people who have no conscience? Something strange is your attitude.
                  Quote: Alf
                  Then why is it needed, this FIU?

                  This is such a way of concentrating financial resources for fulfilling the tasks of paying pensions, matkapital and other social benefits. Want to know more - there is a special law where all the tasks of the FIU are detailed. After all, there is a division of stores into specializations - grocery, manufactured goods, and spare parts. So in financial institutions there is a division into units to perform narrow tasks.
                  Quote: Alf
                  About the strange calculation of pensions you have nothing to answer

                  Well, why? If a person serves in the public service, then the state takes care of him and his social well-being. Many private enterprises set their retirement benefits. There is nothing unusual here. The state also takes care of its staff and creates such conditions for social support so that people aspire there and the state has the opportunity to choose the best, and not the first one to come. Exactly the same reason, oil and gas workers have large salaries and a serious social package. What do you want? A person is looking for a place of work where he can provide himself with a decent life, and for the sake of this he studies, improves his qualifications, strives to be useful to a generous employer. And your reasoning about conscience, sorry, not very .... true. I think it was not at all in the moral and ethical aspect that your choice was. As highly managed, and jumped. And do not draw wings for yourself. They will not become real from this.
  7. +18
    15 June 2020 08: 06
    "Whoever shoots the past with a pistol, the future will shoot from a cannon." There was a blockade of Leningrad (not St. Petersburg), there was the Stalingrad (not Volgograd) battle. They stress on Stalin's mistakes in the leadership of the war. Those who do nothing are not mistaken. And his 1941 successes? Decommissioned and Forgotten? Evacuation of industry and its deployment in the Urals and Siberia. And on the sites prepared BEFORE THE WAR! Without this there would be no Victory! Battle of Moscow, Yelnya. But Chamberlain, Daladier, Churchill, Roosevelt were not mistaken? Japan until mid-1942 beat the Americans in the Pacific and the British in Indochina. Rommel beat the British and Italians in North Africa until mid-1942. In 1940 Germany defeated the combined Dutch, Belgian, French and British troops and forced France to surrender.
    1. -20
      15 June 2020 08: 32
      Here they fired in 1917 and now they have received, minus 4 million square kilometers of territory and 45 million of the population. When writing such expressions, try to look at how the Bolsheviks treated the past of Russia.
      1. +7
        15 June 2020 12: 02
        Maybe it's better to see how the Provisional Government shot and what it cost Russia?
        Or how Napoleon shot in / across France - and nothing continues to be praised, but he brought a lot of deaths to France and Europe.
      2. +5
        15 June 2020 14: 57
        When is "now"? It is you, the enemies of the Bolshevik-Communists, how you dismembered Russia during the Civil War, unleashed by you together with your accomplices, the interventionists, and during your anti-Soviet Perestroika you divided the USSR among yourself, and together with the interventionists and the Nazis, and after you captured the USSR, you inflicted demographic damage to the people in more than 150 million people. Therefore, you and everyone are cowardly "not to blame" for everything that you have done in the Soviet and post-Soviet periods, that you yourself admit what you have done - your crimes against the country and the people.
        1. -6
          15 June 2020 21: 02
          Quote: tatra
          It’s you, the enemies of the Bolshevik Communists, who divided Russia during the Civil War that you unleashed along with your accomplices, and in your anti-Soviet Perestroika, you divided the USSR

          That's all that you have listed was done by the rotten party and economic activists of the CPSU. These "communist pupils" brought the country to economic destruction. It was precisely the Bolshevik-Communists with large shoulder straps that had to be liquidated in time, because they are the main dismemberment of the USSR. As they used to say - think narrowly, citizen.
          1. +4
            15 June 2020 21: 09
            You, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people on the territory of the USSR, and have not done ANYTHING useful for the country and the people - neither under Soviet power, nor after the capture and dismemberment of the USSR by you for the large and huge incomes and salaries that you got after you captured the USSR, and did not even offer, besides shamanistic incantations about "freedom", but what you DID - from unleashing the Civil War after the October Revolution in order to capture Russia by you - to responsibility for the results of your work for 30 years after the seizure, you are all in chorus cowardly whine "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame," And you are the only ones in world history, NO positive history of your country, only evil anti-Soviet and Russophobia. And with all this, you seriously imagined that you are more than the Communist Bolsheviks and their supporters, worthy and able to rule the country.
            1. -2
              16 June 2020 13: 06
              Quote: tatra
              You, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people on the territory of the USSR, and did NOT do ANYTHING useful for the country and people under Soviet power, nor after the capture and dismemberment of the USSR by you

              You, citizeness, to begin with, calm down, have a drink. Otherwise, the text directly shows that you have suffered. I personally fought for the interests of the USSR, shed my blood, I have an award and a disability. And it is not for you, idiots, to make claims to me about the state that has been blown away by you. It was you, the communists-windbag, who later made excuses to us that "it was not you who sent us there." It was you who made decisions in Tbilisi and Vilnius, and then excused yourself, as if the chiefs of the garrisons were taking the tanks out onto the streets themselves. You have betrayed your main allies, and now you whine that everyone is to blame except you. You should sit still and not glare. But you, like a woman, are unrestrained and short of mind and memory. hi
          2. +3
            15 June 2020 23: 24
            Quote: Hagen
            what you listed did the rotted party and economic asset of the CPSU.

            Well, just write - Putin, his secretary Sechin ...
            1. -2
              16 June 2020 13: 12
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Well, just write - Putin, his secretary Sechin ...

              Or maybe we’ll start with Gorbachev, Yeltsin, who carried out the privatization, Khodorkovsky, who bought a huge oil company for nothing and almost sold it to foreign shareholders. Maybe we recall who stole the party cash desk, and then emerged as a billionaire? Putin + Sechin just returned the oil industry to the state, and it has 40% of the budget from them (gas workers and oil workers). You are not at all in the subject ...
              1. +2
                16 June 2020 16: 49
                Quote: Hagen
                Maybe we recall who stole the party cash desk, and then emerged as a billionaire?

                And who? It will be interesting if the Kroll agency publishes a copy of the report.
                1. -1
                  16 June 2020 16: 51
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  It will be interesting if the Kroll agency publishes a copy of the report.

                  Write to them, maybe they will please?
                  1. +2
                    16 June 2020 16: 55
                    Quote: Hagen
                    Write to them, maybe they will please?

                    On such a hook you can hold many for testicles, so it is unlikely to please.
                    1. -2
                      16 June 2020 16: 57
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      On such a hook you can hold many for testicles, so it is unlikely to please.

                      Is your last name not Strugatsky? laughing
          3. 0
            20 June 2020 09: 02
            At a referendum 70% supported the preservation of the Union !! So, people wanted to live in the Union.
      3. Alf
        +2
        15 June 2020 20: 30
        Quote: captain
        minus 4 million square kilometers of territory and 45 million people.

        This is about what exactly? About Poland, the Baltic states and Finland as part of the Republic of Ingushetia? So the Baltic states were returned, but Finland and Poland did not in fact belong to the Republic of Ingushetia, for how else can we call an incomprehensible geographic association with its own currency, its own authorities, the supremacy of its laws, its own language and its own customs inside the empire?
  8. +14
    15 June 2020 08: 12
    If Victory is our greatest holiday, the valor and pride of our people, then its celebration should take place without any regard for anyone "from the other side"

    Our Holiday, but apparently not their holiday. We have different holidays. For some, valor and pride, for some, political games.
  9. +13
    15 June 2020 08: 19
    The history of the country is draped-stupid and not patriotic.
    And so I agree, there is no such level of statesmen worthy to be compared with their ancestors. The last, in my opinion, was Leonid Brezhnev. I was not personally acquainted, but my grandfather fought with him on the Malaya Zemlya and in the Crimea and spoke very respectfully , and the era of "stagnation", when the country was at the peak of its capabilities and achievements, something means something. And to look around, so as not to offend someone, nonsense, the USSR won and there is no need to feel guilty about this. The right of the strong remained with the Soviet people.
    Those who want to kneel before the blacks, Germans, Poles, Finns and so on, go through the forest.
    A parade is needed, but just on VICTORY DAY, instead of a circus with masks and passes.
  10. +11
    15 June 2020 08: 20
    the authorities themselves are talking about the need to resist attempts to rewrite, "drape" history, including the history of the Victory.
    .... And an amendment of such content is proposed to be made in
    The Constitution ... They introduced, the people will vote, and they will continue to drape the Mausoleum, i.e. act not constitutionally? Or this drapery for the last time? ... After July 1, in 2021 they will not drape? smile
    1. -10
      15 June 2020 08: 36
      You have a question: What was the name of the city of Krasnodar before the revolution? What was the name of the city of Donetsk earlier? Before the revolution.
      1. -3
        15 June 2020 08: 45
        Ekaterinodar (it would not hurt to return its historical name to the city) and Yuzovka.
        1. Alf
          +1
          15 June 2020 20: 32
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Ekaterinodar (it would not hurt to return its historical name to the city) and Yuzovka.

          Yeah, the name of the city was changed to St. Petersburg, and the region remained Leningrad. Not funny ?
      2. +6
        15 June 2020 10: 19
        And the question is what was the name of the village Potemkinskaya before? and what was the name of Petrograd before? What was the Ural River and the Ural Mountains called before? ...
      3. +6
        15 June 2020 15: 01
        What was the original name of the Moscow metro "Lubyanka"? And "Dzerzhinsky Square". So return, "fighters for the return of historical names" back to the name of the metro station "Ploschad Dzerzhinsky".
  11. +16
    15 June 2020 08: 21
    Someone very neatly and aptly said: “A parade without a Mausoleum is like a procession without icons ...”
    A parade without a Mausoleum can be held, but a Victory Parade without a Mausoleum cannot be held.
  12. 0
    15 June 2020 08: 27
    It seems that even Donald trump was invited
    And he even meant to accept the invitation. But on May 9, the parade was canceled due to the virus, and now, having the virus and racial unrest in its hands, it simply cannot afford it. Moreover, the election year, and the electorate will not understand his trip abroad, and not for signing anything substantial, not for serious negotiations, but only for celebrating the anniversary. But in a year or two he may well come, although the date will not be round.
  13. -20
    15 June 2020 08: 33
    The howl rises again. The closer the parade, the more such "articles".
    There will be a victory parade, look at the soldiers, admire them for 2 months. What do you need this mausoleum?
    1. +4
      15 June 2020 09: 06
      Well then, what’s this parade for you?
      Instead of combat training, people are engaged in shagistics ..
      1. +3
        15 June 2020 17: 24
        Colleague SeregaBoss, even in all Western films, the mention of not only the USSR, but also modern Russia is often accompanied by a view of Red Square, including the Spasskaya Tower of the Kremlin, the Mausoleum, St. Basil's Cathedral and a monument to Minin and Pozharsky. They understand abroad that this is our symbol that cannot be divided into parts, our way of self-identification based on our entire history, and for some reason you are not.
        Think about it!
  14. +16
    15 June 2020 08: 34
    Rewriting history! The political correctness of our government in relation to Germany, the United States and other countries during the "period of love". Love is gone, but the plywood remains. For the same reason
    1. +12
      15 June 2020 08: 54
      It’s a paradox, don’t find it, they accept the amendment to the Constitution, against the distortion of history and immediately distort it ...
  15. +15
    15 June 2020 08: 41
    They boarded up the Mausoleum and essentially boarded up the achievements of the whole country, the people for 100 years.
    It’s as if an alternative story existed somewhere nearby in a parallel world, and there are many more TAM achievements
  16. -6
    15 June 2020 08: 48
    Or maybe everything is simpler: do not they drape the mausoleum, but us from Lenin? They preserve the peace of the Leader. recourse
  17. -19
    15 June 2020 08: 57
    The overwhelming majority of the population is absolutely indifferent - who draped what and what, to the "light bulb" - and Ilyich himself, and his sarcophagus, and the sign on it.
  18. +5
    15 June 2020 09: 10
    Quote: captain
    ... That was distorted after the revolution and the result is obvious ...

    And before the revolution did not rename? So, offhand: Zimoveyskaya - Potemkinskaya, Yekaterinoslav - Novorossiysk - Yekaterinoslav, St. Petersburg - Petrograd.
    1. +7
      15 June 2020 15: 06
      The enemies of the communists always have double standards in everything; they evaluate all facts depending on how beneficial it is to them. And this is clearly seen in the example of Nicholas II, who is praised by them for the sake of profit in the anti-Soviet regime, and Stalin, slandered by them, when they call the same facts in Stalin as crimes, and in Nicholas II they justify or "do not notice.
  19. +11
    15 June 2020 09: 16
    Yeah. Bread and spectacles, an appeal for centuries. At the end they will show dances with weapons, and then the Croatians will perform the song Lashatemikantaaaaree, as already happened before.
    We are proud of the victory of the state, which is now bashfully called the Scoop, does not fit into any logical laws.
  20. +10
    15 June 2020 09: 20
    This is not "political expediency", but political cowardice! You don’t want to admit that up to THESE HEIGHTS, you don’t keep up with liberal ideas! It's a shame in front of the veterans!
    1. -12
      15 June 2020 10: 48
      Of course, we do not reach those "heights" in buying millions of tons of grain - we simply sell tens of millions of tons of grain annually. Caught up with the United States in this matter, or even surpassed the slogan forgot - to catch up and overtake. How bad this is for some of the heirs of Lenin.
      2 The policy of the party and the government on the Consolidation of the Russian population is not implemented. Alas, they began to drink significantly less - in 2017, the horror of drinking began to be Less than in France. And the downward trend does not stop. What a horror for the heirs of Lenin.
      3 Supporters of the USSR_2, you would settle the "starving" from Asia and give half of your income to them for a decade to begin with. For a personal example.
      In the USSR -Thirty percent of Russia's income went to feed the "hungry" - Asia, the Caucasus, the Baltic states.
      4 Great Russia collapsed in 17 and millions came out to defend it — it didn’t work out.
      The great USSR collapsed - where millions of defenders with weapons in their hands. What are you currently fighting for the keys for the USSR and when it collapsed -Where were and what they did. Why didn’t the militia gather, and even to Moscow, like Minin and Pozharsky?
      Cry understand here. They probably got used to doing nothing and living under Communism. And here you have to work
      5Tales about the USSR I do not need to tell. As well as about the friendship of peoples under the USSR.
      Lived and Know.
      1. -10
        15 June 2020 11: 01
        Quote: Vlad-world
        The great USSR collapsed - where millions of defenders with weapons in their hands

        It is known where they were - they burned or hid their party tickets, and dreamed of a hamburger.
        And now, the sabbath is being arranged here, there is no Stalin on them - a shovel in their hands, and on the great constructions of communism, whom they voluntarily, whom and compulsory.
        1. +13
          15 June 2020 12: 00
          Well, you Vladimir today are so blind and miserable? And yes, you also have someone to look up to, that one also tore his party ticket and did not give a damn about the oath. So beaver?
        2. +1
          17 June 2020 12: 53
          Quote: bober1982
          Quote: Vlad-world
          The great USSR collapsed - where millions of defenders with weapons in their hands

          It is known where they were - they burned or hid their party tickets, and dreamed of a hamburger.
          And now, the sabbath is being arranged here, there is no Stalin on them - a shovel in their hands, and on the great constructions of communism, whom they voluntarily, whom and compulsory.


          That's right.
          Well, Stalin only for one thing-that he destroyed the whole congress of winners (as he is credited with) It is possible and necessary to respect. Yes, and for Trotsky.
      2. +6
        15 June 2020 12: 31
        Voldemar. They wrote nonsense, a lot of letters and no argument. And by the way, where were you when the USSR collapsed? Describe your day every minute
      3. +7
        15 June 2020 16: 34
        Lived and Know.
        Perhaps you lived and know something. I only see that I distort a lot.
      4. Alf
        +6
        15 June 2020 20: 42
        Quote: Vlad-world
        Of course, we do not reach those "heights" in buying millions of tons of grain - we simply sell tens of millions of tons of grain annually.

        And we are pushing through the law on allowing the use of grains of grades 3, 4 and 5 for food, because the highest and first grade makes us good bye.
        Quote: Vlad-world
        In the USSR -Thirty percent of Russia's income went to feed the "hungry" - Asia, the Caucasus, the Baltic states.

        They fell off, proudly left, but the people didn’t begin to live better — there is no money, but you hold on.
        1. -4
          16 June 2020 02: 58
          1 Well, yes, yes, proudly gone. They overthrew the Russian occupiers and then when they climbed, they climbed into Russia. I want to eat ...
          2 Well, yes, no money, damn it, and there is nowhere to spit some cars in the yards. And traffic jams in the morning in cities with a population of 50000. They forgot how under the "Kukuruznik" under the communists there were queues for bread and were choking on them. Khrushch promised that in 20 years the boom under communism will live. And how did some of the former members of the city and regional committees profit. And now they are crying.
          3 But I was not even in the Komsomol. Although thanks for the good work from the Central Committee of the Komsomol was.
          4Call met with relief. The freeloaders fell off.
          5 Still, liberals of all power would be cleaned like Gref and his ilk would have been normal. That the liberals that the Communists are supporters of the USSR -2 -two sides of one phenomenon, called Russophobia.
          1. Alf
            +1
            16 June 2020 19: 31
            Quote: Vlad-world
            Still liberals of all kinds of power would be cleaned like Gref and his ilk would have been normal.

            The liberal will cleanse the liberals ... I will sell tickets for this show ...
            1. +1
              16 June 2020 20: 20
              Here is a comrade of the USSR for such actions in the USSR the article is writhing to you - speculation is called.
              Yes, and - alas, this is a bourgeois expression. How such decomposition is bourgeois in you.
              You have to be Consistent, and you decided to do bourgeois business.
              You really choose -or a cross or .....
              1. Alf
                0
                16 June 2020 20: 22
                Quote: Vlad-world
                Here is a comrade of the USSR for such actions in the USSR the article is writhing to you - speculation is called.
                Yes, and - alas, this is a bourgeois expression. How such decomposition is bourgeois in you.
                You have to be Consistent, and you decided to do bourgeois business.
                You really choose -or a cross or .....

                Clear-crisis thoughts ..
  21. +17
    15 June 2020 09: 58
    Unfortunately, few current VO users will live to see the 100th anniversary of the Great Victory. But ... May 9, 2045 the Mausoleum will be open. And somewhere nearby there will be a monument to Supreme Commander-in-Chief I.V. Stalin. And he will also take the parade.
    1. 0
      15 June 2020 13: 46
      And what, there are prerequisites for this?
      1. +3
        15 June 2020 18: 08
        For a quarter of a century, this has not happened in history.
      2. Alf
        +2
        15 June 2020 20: 44
        Quote: Taga
        And what, there are prerequisites for this?

        Nicholas in the 16th also did not take revolutionaries seriously, and in the 17th he suddenly lost his job ...
        1. +1
          16 June 2020 09: 40
          Then the trade unions were stronger, and the parties were really oppositional. The present do not offer anything revolutionary, the next redrawing of capitalism in their favor.
        2. +2
          16 June 2020 09: 41
          Deposed then his bourgeois, not the proletariat.
  22. +14
    15 June 2020 10: 04
    The mausoleum, Lenin, Stalin and the USSR of the current hucksters who seized power in the country are not honored. How many do not dodge and do not lie - the gut still crawls out. Pitiful clowns at a dance in the west - there is no respect for them, only disgust
  23. +6
    15 June 2020 10: 28
    If Victory is our greatest holiday, the valor and pride of our people, then its celebration should take place without looking back at anyone "from the other side" and attempts to correct its own history in the spirit of the notorious "political correctness".


    No way! Partners will not understand. wink
  24. +12
    15 June 2020 10: 31
    It's just that the Russian "elite", like a guilty servant, does not lose hope of making peace with the former (and for whom, the present) masters. By the way, it was not for nothing that the TV series "Sleepers" was so abruptly leaked in due time. And the owners will definitely not forgive Lenin's confession. I was amused by Putin's reasoning that Lenin allegedly planted a bomb under Russian statehood. Hug and cry. Painfully reminiscent of the reasoning of a certain Polygraph Poligrafovich about the correspondence between Engels and Kautsky.
    And, by the way, I do not see a fundamental difference with the Kiev jumpers.
    1. -13
      15 June 2020 11: 38
      You’ve been amused by Putin’s reasoning, but this is a fact -Donbas was given to Ukraine at the insistence of Lenin. And you are amused that the Russians are being killed there. They wouldn’t give back and kill the Russians at that moment. And you are funny. And after all, the Bolsheviks and their heirs brought up Ukrainian Nazism. If you are not a Ukrainian then you won’t get any posts - read Also, the Bolsheviks gave the Russian land to the so-called Kazakhs. The nomadic Kyrgyz called the Kazakhs in the 30s of the 20th century by decision of the Council of People's Commissars. And it so amuses you.
      1. +4
        15 June 2020 15: 13
        You, the enemies of the USSR in the territory of the USSR, and therefore cowardly blame the Bolsheviks-Communists for what you did yourself, that you yourself acknowledge what you did as your crimes, including the fact that you dismembered the USSR, unleashed the Civil War in Ukraine after Maidan 2014, more than 10 peaceful Ukrainians and Russians were killed in it. .
      2. +14
        15 June 2020 16: 32
        Of course amused. Founded, including on the ideas of Lenin, the USSR lasted 70 years under the most difficult conditions and, with all its ambiguity, became one of the strongest states on the planet. And Putin’s associates just ruined it. Of course, he didn’t play a key role there, but he was in that camp. And in general, do not remind the security of which state was engaged in the duty of GDP, and what happened to that state as a result of their actions (or rather, inactivity). And it’s interesting that for 30 years (20 of them under the presidency of the GDP), Vladimir Vladimirovich’s friends and associates have been gnawing at what had been rebuilt from scratch in 70 years (probably the very same galoshes did not survive the poor fellow). And now the yummy ends and Putin’s insult to Lenin is like a child’s insult that the ice cream quickly ended. So cute.
        In general, for 20 years, under the most favorable conditions, to fall in love with all the opportunities for development, this must be an epic, to put it mildly, narrow-minded person. Oh yes! Now the root of evil is found. The constitution was not that. Now everything will be different. Like a Slepakov New Year’s song.
        And about the murder of Russians in the Donbass. But was it not Mr. Surkov who dealt with this issue with the blessing of whom?
        1. +8
          15 June 2020 17: 06
          By the way, Sharikov is simply a giant of thought in comparison with his colleagues in VVP. Well, compare "take and share" with now "take and steal, devour or hide." That's the whole collected works.
          1. +4
            15 June 2020 17: 37
            And in general, comparing the scale of the personalities of Putin and Lenin is ridiculous. It's like in a joke about the hero and the Serpent Gorynych. Well, the one who "beat, beat, so why yell in the ass."
        2. +2
          15 June 2020 17: 43
          Colleague g_ae, sorry for the amendment: you probably meant the verb "love" (otherwise the meaning is lost). I support your thoughts hi
          1. +5
            15 June 2020 17: 49
            Yes thank you. I write on the train on the phone. Not very comfortable. I don’t always get to the buttons, blind and even AutoCorrect. I apologize.
      3. DPN
        -2
        16 June 2020 21: 25
        Yeltsin gave it to those who went for power, which he did, but YOU are dumping on V.I. LENIN, HE saved the Russian Empire by changing its system and name. Yeltsin destroyed everything and unleashed the Chechen war. If you yourself haven’t found it, ask YOUR PARENTS.
    2. -9
      15 June 2020 11: 44
      But the Union fell apart precisely on the borders of national entities. Which appeared thanks to burry, and with the right to exit. Bomb? Another, slow motion.
      1. +8
        15 June 2020 15: 15
        And WHO destroyed the USSR on YOUR evil anti-Soviet-Russophobic "independence"? WHO made the dismemberment of the USSR its main state holiday?
        1. -4
          15 June 2020 15: 21
          Communists collapsed. The result of the communist rule is the collapse of the Power. Or do you want to say that Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevarnadze, Yeltsin were members of the NSDAP? The country was torn into national bits on Leninist borders.
          1. +7
            15 June 2020 15: 30
            In their fantastic cowardice, fear of the slightest hint of responsibility for what you have done with your country and people, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people not only blatantly lie, slander, hypocrite, but also stick against elementary logic and common sense. Supporters of the USSR could NOT divide the USSR into YOUR anti-Soviet-Russophobic "ngezavisimosti", in which you imposed your anti-Soviet power, your favorable System, your ideology-anti-Soviet. In the same way, you cannot, for the sake of the supporters of the USSR, unite back your "independence" into one big country.
          2. +7
            15 June 2020 16: 02
            They were just members, but not communists, Andrei.
      2. +6
        15 June 2020 16: 03
        You can’t mess up the great, AS Ivanov. And the bomb was planted by a cornman.
  25. +13
    15 June 2020 10: 50
    The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the country created by Vladimir Lenin, won the Great Patriotic War. The hordes of the Nazi invaders and their allies were defeated by the Soviet people under the leadership of the Communist Party, under the red banner and under the command of Joseph Stalin.
    1. +6
      15 June 2020 15: 16
      Especially funny are the White Cossacks, who hang on themselves "orders" and "medals" that they think up for themselves.
  26. +6
    15 June 2020 11: 17
    The secret has become apparent, it is no longer possible to drape.
  27. +13
    15 June 2020 12: 48
    China has set the terms for its participation in the Victory Parade, no draperies of the mausoleum ....
    The information is false, but who knows how it will turn out ...
    And I would like to believe !!!
    1. Alf
      +5
      15 June 2020 20: 48
      Quote: Igor Polovodov
      China has set the terms for its participation in the Victory Parade, no draperies of the mausoleum ....
      The information is false, but who knows how it will turn out ...
      And I would like to believe !!!

      Wang, that in such a case, China will not be given a visa, they will say that the virus has not yet been completely eliminated in China.
  28. +6
    15 June 2020 14: 25
    In my opinion, this question must be raised at a meeting of the Duma and resolved once and for all. This is our story and do not be shy about it, you can’t return it.
    It let the narrow-minded striped destroy their monuments.
    1. Alf
      +4
      15 June 2020 20: 56
      Quote: Ros 56
      In my opinion, this question must be raised at a meeting of the Duma and resolved once and for all. This is our story and do not be shy about it, you can’t return it.

      And who is sitting in the Duma? Either large capitalists or their hirelings, who are contorted by the appearance of the Mausoleum and Steel. Will they adopt such laws?
      1. +1
        16 June 2020 06: 06
        There are different people in the Duma, but from your definitions a mile away carries stamps of the Soviet era. Do not rush words if you can not confirm them.

        Py.Sy And it turns out like with advice - I have not read the book, but I condemn it.
        1. +3
          16 June 2020 10: 35
          Why then. One of the leaders of the previous convocation of the State Duma described the Duma as follows. “This is a structure where rich people work in the interests of even richer people. If this is not the case, then look at the analysis of the adopted and rejected bills, my friend is very curious.
        2. Alf
          0
          16 June 2020 19: 52
          Quote: Ros 56
          There are different people in the Duma, but from your definitions a mile away carries stamps of the Soviet era. Do not rush words if you can not confirm them.

          I can. Here is the percentage of parties in the Duma for the 19th year.

          And here are the stamps? EP characterizes itself as a party of big business. How many laws has EP adopted for the development of the state and citizen?
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  30. Lew
    +7
    15 June 2020 15: 17
    Power always hides what it fears .....
  31. -8
    15 June 2020 15: 17
    Late they realized that they were rewriting history; it was rewritten long ago under Peter.
  32. +11
    15 June 2020 15: 32
    An attempt to combine patriotic education with decommunization will lead to the same thing as the "non-brothers".
  33. +7
    15 June 2020 15: 45
    The mausoleum should not be "disguised" (this is the gratification of the liberals and the like ...). There is no need to distort the history of the country ... By the way, it would not hurt to return the monument to F.E.Dzerdzhinsky to its place ...
    1. +9
      15 June 2020 15: 58
      By the way, it would not hurt to return the monument to F.E.Dzerdzhinsky ...
      A lot of things need to be returned. First of all, social justice and socialism.
      1. Alf
        +4
        15 June 2020 20: 57
        Quote: NordUral
        First of all, social justice and socialism.

        "Don't rock the boat" ...
        1. +2
          16 June 2020 10: 39
          And how am I swinging it, Alf? I do not call for revolution, but constantly insist that we must go to the polls.
  34. +8
    15 June 2020 15: 55
    Read the article and comments. I COMPLETELY agree with the author and the majority of those who expressed that it is IMPOSSIBLE to hide the Mausoleum behind the decorations on the holy Victory Day, the parade in honor of which was received from the rostrum of the Mausoleum! After all, the Mausoleum is not just the tomb of the leader disgraced for the current government, no, the Mausoleum is a part of RUSSIAN history, a LOT is connected with this tribune! And the history of SOVIET Russia is an INTEGRAL part of the entire Russian history! And you can't treat it the way the current government does: I see this, this is "I don't see"!
    There used to be a deadly excuse: so as not to offend new "Western friends". But sweet dreams melted away like smoke, "friends" turned into "partners" - and the Mausoleum is still shyly draped! So, maybe the current government is ashamed of their history and people? OBVIOUS duplicity: to be ashamed of their history - and to make an amendment about the inadmissibility of falsifying history! And how can you ignore the opinion of the MOST of the people of Russia, who are not ashamed of their history?
  35. +7
    15 June 2020 15: 56
    "Hidden" Mausoleum: political expediency or attempt to "drape" the history of the Victory
    Fear and shame of thieves and traitors.
    1. +1
      17 June 2020 13: 03
      Quote: NordUral
      "Hidden" Mausoleum: political expediency or attempt to "drape" the history of the Victory
      Fear and shame of thieves and traitors.


      This means the Bolsheviks were so afraid of Victory in 1812 that they blew up the Temple built in honor of this victory. By the way, by the way.
      Well, here they’re just draping, closing everything, unlike the Bolsheviks.
      Well, yes, the Bolsheviks can be blown up, destroyed, and others just cover up for a while. Ay ah kaki such. Take a look at yourself.
      1. -1
        17 June 2020 15: 17
        And among the Bolsheviks there were enough dura.kov, and this, apart from the ideological iconoclasts.
        And they did not blow up the temple of Victory of 1812, but the temple of God. There was an excess in the fight against religion then.
        And I have nothing to look at myself. I'm an atheist. But not a single religion bothers me, which does not go into my soul with my ideas. They want to believe - and let them.
        And the main thing is that they are not afraid of the mausoleum, but that we recall that we destroyed these with our tacit connivance.
        1. +2
          17 June 2020 18: 19
          Quote: NordUral
          And among the Bolsheviks there were enough dura.kov, and this, apart from the ideological iconoclasts.
          And they did not blow up the temple of Victory of 1812, but the temple of God. There was an excess in the fight against religion then.
          And I have nothing to look at myself. I'm an atheist. But not a single religion bothers me, which does not go into my soul with my ideas. They want to believe - and let them.
          And the main thing is that they are not afraid of the mausoleum, but that we recall that we destroyed these with our tacit connivance.


          No need to juggle. The Bolsheviks did not blow up the temple of God, but the Temple built In Honor of the Victory of 1812. There were bas-reliefs with the names of Heroes and ordinary Warriors - and them in the trash. This is the attitude to the achievements of the Russian Warriors.
          And the mausoleum is a grave. She was just covered.
          Actually, if Stalin had been lying there (as it was), then they wouldn’t have covered Wang.
          And indeed why do not you demand justice and the return of Stalin's body to the mausoleum.
          That would be a great victory parade in front of Commander-in-Chief Comrade Stalin.

          Damn what are the forgotten. Everyone remembers before May 9th. And then how it cuts. No team.
          1. +2
            17 June 2020 23: 26
            Damn what are the forgotten. Everyone remembers before May 9th. And then how it cuts. No team.

            You said it well about those who are now in power in Russia.
            And about the mausoleum - this is our story. And I feel sorry for all those temples, monuments and just buildings that are destroyed by stupidity or evil will.
  36. +4
    15 June 2020 18: 48
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    But the Union fell apart precisely on the borders of national entities. Which appeared thanks to burry, and with the right to exit. Bomb? Another, slow motion.

    It would be good to receive an answer, if stupid Lenin "planted the bomb", then why has the great Putin in power for 20 years, this bomb has not yet cleared? And today, while changing the Constitution, he didn’t even make an attempt to correct something! How to understand all THIS?
    1. -3
      15 June 2020 19: 25
      How can you defuse a bomb that has already exploded? In the year 1991. Although, having returned Crimea to Russia, Putin corrected the situation a little.
      1. Alf
        +3
        15 June 2020 21: 01
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Although, having returned Crimea to Russia, Putin corrected the situation a little.

        And then I was afraid? Or did the president of Switzerland, the country of BANKS, threaten something?
      2. Alf
        +1
        15 June 2020 22: 55
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Although, having returned Crimea to Russia, Putin corrected the situation a little.

        Why didn't the "fierce patriot of Russia" return earlier?
        1. +2
          16 June 2020 08: 28
          How do you imagine that? In 2014, a window of opportunity opened, which was used. Why did Stalin return the borders along the Curzon line only in 1939, and not earlier?
          1. Alf
            +1
            16 June 2020 19: 21
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            How do you imagine that? In 2014, a window of opportunity opened, which was used.

            And until 2014, on that side there were exclusively friends ...
            1. +3
              16 June 2020 19: 42
              There were no friends. But there was no convenient reason. For Putin it was a coup d'etat in Ukraine, for Stalin it was the cessation of Poland as a state.
              1. Alf
                0
                16 June 2020 20: 05
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                There were no friends. But there was no convenient reason.

                The Americans Maine rushed and the occasion appeared. Colin Powell at the UN shook a test tube of divorced lime and Iraq was trampled by the whole crowd. And for Yugoslavia, there was no need for a special occasion ..
                And later, when OUR customs officers killed On that side were buried, there was no reason?
    2. 0
      18 June 2020 14: 44
      You study history poorly. If not for this message of Lenin, then the national suburbs would have fallen off from Russia even then.
      Supporters of Stalin would have carried out general federalization after the Second World War, for a new leap forward.
      But by that time the bulk of the patriots had been knocked out on the fronts, and upstairs, as always, the frightened scurrying fuss ... but to which Stalinism prevented becoming saturated satisfactory inhabitants, was the bourgeois.
      Here they needed a fragmented state in which ALL the people would NEVER stand up against the incipient betrayal.
      On the contrary, nationalism served as the trigger for the degeneration of the outskirts, and then of the Center, into a faceless amorphous mass of RESIDENTS. Bourgeois.
      For them, however, there was still no better living environment in history than capitalist reality with its base goals and aspirations.
      There, everyone thinks that he is better than those who are on his right and left, forgetting that he is LEFT for someone and RIGHT for someone.
  37. -7
    15 June 2020 19: 11
    Quote: Far In
    The French never distort their history, they celebrate the day of the capture of the Bastille, and at least henna. Although the Great French Revolution of Horrors spawned more of ours. But they still celebrate and are proud of their past. That's because skiers! But we don’t want as in France ...

    They took this prison to hell.
    If you take the French as an example, then demolish this freak, the Mausoleum from Red Square, bury the mummy as usual, and even the place. About more French atrocities.
    Is it possible to compare the results of the Civil War, 12 million dead, starved to death, left the country with these pranks?
    1. +1
      16 June 2020 10: 42
      You poorly know the history of both Russia and France, it seems. Or just lying.
    2. DPN
      0
      16 June 2020 21: 00
      Take your time, the SOVIET generation will leave and the llama what you want and how you want, but for now you can roll your neck.
  38. -4
    15 June 2020 19: 19
    Quote: PavelM
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    But the Union fell apart precisely on the borders of national entities. Which appeared thanks to burry, and with the right to exit. Bomb? Another, slow motion.

    It would be good to receive an answer, if stupid Lenin "planted the bomb", then why has the great Putin in power for 20 years, this bomb has not yet cleared? And today, while changing the Constitution, he didn’t even make an attempt to correct something! How to understand all THIS?

    Shake the brains if there is something there. Do you think that now it is possible to deprive the Tatars of their republic by balancing their rights and economic situation with, say, the Ryazan region? Change the name to the Kazan region, or something like that? Is it possible now to determine the borders and the territory of the RUSSIAN republic, or region, or territory? Change the structure of the country to states that do not have a nationality in their name? You are completely stunned. You make such a stupid thing that you start to think, and aren't you a fool?
    1. -2
      15 June 2020 19: 30
      That's right - cutting the country in the province, as it was under the Republic of Ingushetia. No flirting with nationalities, the division of the country is either arbitrary, or according to economic - geographical principles. Moreover, in the USSR they tried to create a single community - the Soviet people. Yes, as in the USA: there is neither Italian, nor German, nor Englishman - there is an American.
      1. +2
        16 June 2020 10: 44
        Andrei, in the States it’s not such an idyll as you painted. Americans are Americans, but they are somehow different.
        1. +2
          16 June 2020 10: 56
          Idyll, it happens only in utopias. Underlining nationalities, as a rule, leads to an increase in nationalism, and even to the emergence of Nazism, which we saw in our country at the end of the 20th century.
          1. +3
            16 June 2020 11: 02
            Andrei, did it ever occur to you that the creation of the USSR was a necessary step? That Russia with divisions in the province or region could not be saved in its pre-revolutionary borders.
            And then - the republics, with the exception of a few stubborn ones, did not at all seek to leave the Union. It started in Moscow.
            1. +2
              16 June 2020 11: 13
              When creating the Union, yes - a necessary step, although even then Comrade. Stalin did not agree with the Leninist concept of dividing the country. What prevented subsequently from encouraging all of these Ukrainizations and moving from union republics to autonomies, and subsequently to dividing the country according to economic principles. Since they proclaimed a single community - the Soviet people.
              1. +3
                16 June 2020 18: 12
                If everything was just like that, Andrey. Then the Union would exist today, mighty, rich and with friendly Soviet people. And one, as its creators hoped.
    2. DPN
      0
      16 June 2020 20: 57
      Yeltsin at one time clearly said that he would not pull the Soviet Union, so he went to divide - the collapse. bully
  39. +2
    15 June 2020 19: 25
    The “hidden” Mausoleum is still not overcome the weak-mindedness and dementia of Yeltsin.
  40. -7
    15 June 2020 19: 32
    Quote: NordUral
    By the way, it would not hurt to return the monument to F.E.Dzerdzhinsky ...
    A lot of things need to be returned. First of all, social justice and socialism.

    What is socialism? How can one return that which does not exist in nature, never existed, and cannot exist in principle?
    1. +5
      15 June 2020 20: 00
      How tired of the enemies of socialism with their stupid nonsense. You and socialism in the USSR did not exist, and you do not have capitalism in your "independence" on the territory of the USSR that you captured. And YOU yourself are not in your history of the Soviet and post-Soviet periods.
      1. 0
        16 June 2020 14: 04
        How tired the fans of Russophobes Lenin-Trotsky. The newspaper Pravda wrote that socialism was built, it means exactly under the peak. True, they or their parents had -Communism. So they are crying crying. And agricultural workers have one workday and, moreover, without a passport, while others have different supplies - Moscow, regional or simple. True, the freeloaders had entirely Moscow. At the expense of the Russians. But after all, a Russophobe is at the mercy of building socialism and communism at the expense of the Russians. Read the statements of the Bolshevik leaders about the Great Russians.
    2. +2
      16 June 2020 10: 45
      If you are blind, then what can you say.
  41. +6
    15 June 2020 21: 31
    The authorities want the people to forget that there was a GREAT POWER-USSR. And for this, they introduce mythical supposedly holidays-day of Russia and close the Mausoleum and try to avoid information about the leading role of the real Communists in the Second World War, etc.
    1. 0
      17 June 2020 18: 40
      Quote: skobars
      The authorities want the people to forget that there was a GREAT POWER-USSR. And for this, they introduce mythical supposedly holidays-day of Russia and close the Mausoleum and try to avoid information about the leading role of the real Communists in the Second World War, etc.


      Well, yes, it was and for how many years. But Russia, for some years, was the only Romanovs 300 years. And how the Bolsheviks erased the memory of Russia - it’s kindly expensive.
      Well, yes, the leading role is from the beginning so fluidly with the leading one and then straining all the forces of the People to get out of shit. The General Staff and others there were also communists.
      Well, where are these "real kommunisty" of yours when the USSR collapsed. Power and property were shared.
      Over in Tatarstan, Shaimiev and his family are already billionaires. And nothing. Something do not resent.
      So there was and all went into the pipe. Communism who and when they promised to build. He was also a communist and all communists supported him - and they threw bonnets into the air. Or, they didn’t promise to feed on the road.
      1. 0
        21 June 2020 20: 47
        Real communists are those who defended their homeland at the cost of their lives. But I do not diminish the merits of non-partisans. When, thanks to Khrushch, the KGB’s supervision of the party was removed, a different bastard poured into the party, and they got what we have now.
        1. 0
          21 June 2020 21: 38
          Quote: skobars
          Real communists are those who defended their homeland at the cost of their lives. But I do not diminish the merits of non-partisans. When, thanks to Khrushch, the KGB’s supervision of the party was removed, a different bastard poured into the party, and they got what we have now.


          And what kind of kindergarten is this - without supervision, any bastard and crawls and raises his head-bourgeois. And "real" communists cannot do anything without supervision.
          And in general, the fact that we have Communism was built so that the people who supposedly built it were called communists. In general, "real communists" built a personal communism for themselves and lived in it.
          And how does it turn out that there is only one real Communist Stalin and the rest are either traitors or degenerates and other Byak. It turns out strange, don’t find it. That the system is not okay from the very beginning.
  42. -3
    15 June 2020 22: 16
    It is time to introduce the concept of the titular nation into the legislation of the Russian Federation.
  43. +6
    15 June 2020 23: 12
    Quote: Hagen
    Quote: Doccor18
    Well, you compared! 31st year. Another time. Party line to eradicate tsarism and religion, etc.

    So what? It’s all the difference that the regime you hate blows your epithets and allows you to insult him in public space. In 1931, you would probably suffer for less, and perhaps very .... Your opinion would be somewhat different, I think.

    Well, imagine that we are in 1931, and why on earth should we give impartial or hostile epithets to our people's power, and even more so hate it?
    On the contrary, we would fully support her, and in ten years, on November 7, 1941, right from Red Square, after the parade, we would go to defend her and die for her. It is curious what you would do during this period, and where you would be, taking into account your hatred of the Communists, and accordingly of the Soviet regime? Judging by your German pseudonym most likely from the opposite side. This is a question that needs to be answered. winked Well, and continuing this peculiar fantasy retrospective, those of us who survived after four years would again have passed a victorious march along Red Square. Therefore, it is not necessary to put on one board, as if they are equal - our Soviet power, and your regime. lol
  44. +6
    15 June 2020 23: 50
    The Victory Parade in World War II was held on May 9, 2020 in Minsk, where they honored the memory of 27 million Soviet people who sacrificed their lives for the freedom of our country and the whole world and expressed gratitude and low bow to living veterans. What kind of action will be in Moscow on June 24, in the context of mass anti-Sovietism, anti-Stalinism, anti-communism, is not clear. Maybe our regime will pay tribute to the Soviet people who broke the ridge of Nazi Germany under the leadership of the Communist Party and the great Stalin? Or is the history of Victory being written now?
    1. Alf
      +2
      16 June 2020 19: 59
      Quote: Spiridonovich2
      Maybe our regime will pay tribute to the Soviet people who broke the ridge of Nazi Germany under the leadership of the Communist Party and the great Stalin?

      The mention of the Communist Party and the great Stalin on May 9 becomes directly indecent to our government.
      1. DPN
        0
        16 June 2020 20: 40
        WE and YOU chose, we knew what they were doing. We chose those who did not see the USSR, now why be surprised.
  45. -4
    16 June 2020 09: 02
    What is the connection between the victory in the Second World War and the Lenin Mausoleum? For me, Lenin is a figure of turmoil and a split in society. What we still observe. So it’s time to put the bald one in a long time, but simply make the mausoleum a museum without a corpse.
    1. +2
      16 June 2020 10: 29
      My dear, if Lenin is a figure of schism, so what about the Grand Dukes, members of the Imperial Surname, who in February unanimously put on red bows. With the Commanders of the Fronts, with all the cream of the then Russia, which was delighted with the Revolution. Soros’s textbooks do not say this, but that’s why they are Soros’s textbooks. The split is the same in society as it is now. It is strange another, abroad are more objective in assessing the figure of Lenin in History than we have now.
    2. +2
      16 June 2020 13: 18
      You and people like you need to be dug. It would be easier to live in the world.
  46. +2
    16 June 2020 09: 36
    THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO SECURE THE LOOSE!
  47. +3
    16 June 2020 10: 18
    In 1941, our fathers and grandfathers walked past the Mausoleum into battle, swearing an oath to Lenin and Stalin to Win. In 1945 they threw three banners in front of the banner of the Reich. It should be a shame to those who are now draping, unless of course there is shame and conscience patriotism. Well, about the Americans, even the shadow of Lenin now shakes America from the Mausoleum.
  48. 0
    16 June 2020 13: 16
    No one craps around history like Russia itself. I clarify my story.
  49. +3
    16 June 2020 15: 39
    scaffolds began to be erected from which the president, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Russia, members of the government and guests of honor looked at the military columns passing by.

    And at the same time, imposingly sitting in armchairs and apparently conducting small and cheerful conversations ...
    1. Alf
      +2
      16 June 2020 20: 01
      Quote: AlexVas44
      And at the same time, imposingly sitting in armchairs and apparently conducting small and cheerful conversations ...

      It’s hard to stand for 50 minutes, they work hard, like rowers in galleys. Tired, poor things ...
  50. DPN
    +1
    16 June 2020 20: 23
    Someone very neatly and aptly said: “A parade without a Mausoleum is like a procession without icons ...” The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the country created by Vladimir Lenin, won the Great Patriotic War. The hordes of the Nazi invaders and their allies were defeated by the Soviet people under the leadership of the Communist Party, under the red banner and under the command of Joseph Stalin. Like it today, someone or not, but it was.
    The author did not understand why to blame the WEST, YOU yourself know everything perfectly well, Yeltsin, and not WEST.
  51. DPN
    +1
    16 June 2020 20: 28
    I understood one thing, with the MAUSOLEUM closed, T.V. may not be included.
  52. 0
    16 June 2020 22: 49
    yes, advertising gibberish. Generation Pepsi will die and everything will definitely return
  53. +1
    18 June 2020 14: 20
    You still don’t understand whose victory those standing at the Mausoleum, which from year to year turns into a booth, are celebrating.
    Look at the line-up of those standing, at the banner that opens the parade, be sure to find the full version of the fragment of the 1945 parade, when from two opposite angles it is shown, PERFECTLY, how the banners of the occupiers and their SUPPORTERS are thrown towards the Mausoleum.
    There are even paintings dedicated to this. On canvases.
    And EVERYTHING will fall into place.
    In the logical chain of betrayal of YOUR HOMELAND.
    This has NO relation to the great Victory of the SOVIET PEOPLE.
    Namely, it was to this VICTORY that those standing on the rostrum of the MAUSOLEUM led THEIR people and THEIR country in those years.
    So, you have to break the pattern, hiding your TRUE essence, goals and aspirations.
  54. -2
    18 June 2020 18: 04
    V.I. Lenin is a very serious figure in World History and very controversial. You can treat it differently. In the USSR, it was one of the symbols of the state and that is why important affairs took place near the Mausoleum. But the West used the figure of Lenin to criticize our country. And this is the complexity of modern Russia. And after 1953 it was the Lenin-Stalin mausoleum.
    Victory Day is the main holiday in our country. If there are no disputes about the appropriateness of the Mausoleum on the main square of the country and there are no discussions about the correctness of the decision to remove Stalin’s body from the Mausoleum, there is no need to close the Mausoleum on the day of the Victory Parade. In the meantime, while such disputes are going on, it is better to close the Mausoleum so as not to distract the World’s attention from the Parade.
  55. 0
    18 June 2020 20: 50
    But at every step they shout: “We will not allow history to be rewritten!”...
    And what about the fact that the highest Order of the Soviet Union was the Order of Lenin, which was awarded, among other things, when conferring the title of Hero of the Soviet Union along with the Gold Star Medal?
  56. +2
    19 June 2020 06: 50
    The Mausoleum of V.I. Lenin is, first of all, a symbol that once the people gave a light to the bourgeoisie, and how)) and now, you see, it’s an eyesore, they don’t feel comfortable, that they once snitched on people like that, so they’re masking it. The mausoleum is also an ideology and a reminder. It shows that everything is possible, remember bourgeois)))
  57. 0
    19 June 2020 20: 53
    The counter-revolution has won. I'm surprised they haven't dismantled the Mausoleum yet.
  58. 0
    20 June 2020 08: 26
    For Putin and his “friends and colleagues”, the mausoleum of the great Lenin, like a small and sharp pebble in a shoe, does not seem to be fatal, but walking - oh, how painful it is...

    Lenin and Stalin will be remembered for centuries!
    And who, at least in a few decades, will remember Putin? Unless historians...
  59. +2
    20 June 2020 10: 54
    Alas, “You have lost your Russia. Did the element of Good oppose the element of gloomy evil? No? So shut up: fate took you away not without reason To the lands of an unkind foreign land. What is the use of groaning and grieving - Russia must be earned!” This is what the fugitive Russian poet Igor Severyanin wrote from emigration in 1918, who turned out to be much wiser and more conscientious than the overwhelming majority of fugitive, foreign and domestic anti-Soviet and Russophobes of that time and now. So we all still have to once again earn the right to Russian and Soviet birthright instead of that rotten lentil stew of liberal or Nazi foreignness, which, if we ourselves did not prefer, then, alas, we still accepted in 1991, right? And this is the full right to both the Victory and the Mausoleum of V.I. Lenin, and we will have access to the entire great heritage of the USSR only when we restore all the undeservedly slandered and rejected single and indivisible great positive national-historical heritage of Russia and the USSR, when and only then from the current essentially despicable looters of which to us, or our descendants , you will be able to become the legal and full-fledged heirs of the country, tea, don’t Newton’s binomial understand this already?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRwxc8QeX9w
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=174&v=ue6mWl82NMw
  60. -2
    25 June 2020 08: 58
    1) the communists do not know what they are draping with fabric. At least look at the meaning of the word.
    2) Having come to power, the Communists destroyed all royal symbols not only on Red Square, but throughout the country.
    So say thank you that your mausoleum was not demolished to hell. Like the communists blew up the same churches. But for many people it was sacred, but they didn’t care. You are hypocritical people, communists.
  61. +6
    29 March 2021 17: 13
    "Hidden" Mausoleum: political expediency or attempt to "drape" the history of the Victory

    A banal rewriting of the country's history
  62. 0
    5 May 2022 20: 49
    Draping the mausoleum is the path to the third world war. The bottom line. The President and members of the government's cabinet are not protected by the thick walls of the mausoleum's podium. They do not have the opportunity to quickly retreat to shelter inside the mausoleum. And most importantly, the NUCLEAR SUITCASE next to Putin. A 120 mm mortar on a mobile vehicle is capable of releasing ten mines in 1 minute. After explosions and the death of at least 300 military personnel. The death of Shoigu and Putin and the suitcase is COMPLETELY possible. Next, the smart innovative drones of the Anglo-Saxons will strike, they will definitely not miss. WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERODS. DISASSEMBLE THE DRAPPE IMMEDIATELY. With this you will kill Russia and all its people, we won’t even have time to respond. The drapery is part of the plan to destroy Russia and its people in the nuclear hell. When, who came up with this drapery. Why doesn’t the president and his services understand this and give the go-ahead for drapery?
  63. 0
    5 May 2022 20: 50
    Draping the mausoleum is the path to the third world war. The bottom line. The President and members of the government's cabinet are not protected by the thick walls of the mausoleum's podium. They do not have the opportunity to quickly retreat to shelter inside the mausoleum. And most importantly, the NUCLEAR SUITCASE next to Putin. A 120 mm mortar on a mobile vehicle is capable of releasing ten mines in 1 minute. After explosions and the death of at least 300 military personnel. The death of Shoigu Putin and the suitcase is COMPLETELY possible. Next, the smart innovative drones of the Anglo-Saxons will strike; they certainly won’t miss. WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERODS. DISASSEMBLE THE DRAPPE IMMEDIATELY. With this you will kill Russia and all its people.
  64. 0
    7 May 2022 10: 04
    The drapery of the mausoleum is a direct THREAT to the beginning of the third world war. Sabotage during the parade in Moscow is the cherished dream of the Ukrobanderites and all Anglo-Saxons. The drapery of the mausoleum, instead of its intended use, carries the threat of a third world war with the complete defeat of the Russian Federation and the death of the Slavic peoples of the Russian Federation. The mausoleum itself was conceived by Stalin primarily as a means of protecting members of the government during parades on Red Square. Its powerful front wall, behind which state leaders are hidden during parades, negates any possible provocation. A 120 mm nomadic mortar is capable of firing 10 mines per minute according to parade crews, and this means the death of at least 300 soldiers at once. Following the strike of mines, the departure of smart kamikaze drones is what can happen. Simultaneous murder of all the first members of the state and the nuclear briefcase. . URGENTLY, WHILE THERE IS TIME, REMOVE THE FRAME AND DRAPPE..BRING THE EMERGENCY EXIT-ENTRANCE of the top officials of the state inside the mausoleum to its normal appearance, as intended by the mausoleum project. It is possible to make a protective armored light-transmitting visor over government members.

    Sincerely, retired senior Sergeant, Art. Lieutenant, civil engineer.

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