“Rumble” in the sky. Did Russia prefer Angara to a dangerous rocket?

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The world is increasingly talking about the "missile revolution": this due to both the rapid growth in the number of launches of the reusable Falcon 9, and the advent of light cheap rockets like Electron, which, we recall, should also be reusable. In perspective. In any case, the number of various rocket and space programs is constantly growing. Russia was not an exception here. However, in this case, this can hardly be called a plus (everything is financed not by private owners, but by the state). Recall that soon the country wants to fully commission not only the long-suffering heavy Angara A5 and its development in the face of the Angara A5M, but also a fundamentally new Irtysh, which should replace the Soyuz family missiles. Do not forget about the light Angara-1.2, as well as plans to create your own “reusable media”, and in the future have superheavy Don and Yenisei.

But that is not all. As RIA recently reportedNews"With reference to its source, the Khrunichev center resumes the production of Rokot light conversion rockets, built on the basis of ballistic UR-100N UTTX removed from combat duty. According to RIA, the corresponding contract between the Ministry of Defense and the Khrunichev Center has already been signed. “After coordination with the military department, the new missile was called“ Rokot-M, ”the agency’s interlocutor said.




The project "Rokot" has a rather long and very typical for modern post-Soviet realities history. This three-stage lightweight carrier rocket was designed in the center of Khrunichev: taking into account the first launch in 1990, it completed 35 launches. The last of them was produced on December 27, 2019.

The rocket is far from being as cheap as you might think. According to the Avia.pro portal, the cost of one launch was $ 44 million. For comparison: the launch price of the Soyuz rocket is about 40 million. And launching the aforementioned American Electron costs about six million US dollars, although the carrying capacity of this rocket is significantly lower: 250 kilograms when putting the load into a low reference orbit against more than 2000 kilograms from the Rokot.

New old life


The main problem of the carrier was not the price, but the Ukrainian components, which, after the well-known events, Russia could no longer purchase. Earlier it became known that the missile control system manufactured in Kharkov was decided to be replaced by a Russian one. The project received the designation "Rokot-2." All this, of course, costs a lot of money. As it turned out from the materials of the Khrunichev center, the cost of work under the Rokot-2 should be 3,4 billion rubles, and specifically the creation of a Russian management system will require 690 million.

There is one more difficulty that the head of the Institute for Space Policy Ivan Moiseev rightly drew attention to.

“All questions to the Angara.” Why does everyone push it aside, spending 20 years and a lot of money? From the national point of view, it is not clear why a new light rocket is needed if there is a Soyuz-2.1v and a light Angara. In the West, private traders are engaged in this and take all risks upon themselves. It would be better if they gave this money to the same Khrunichev center for the production of the Angara, especially since the Rokot is a poisonous rocket, ”

- An expert said earlier to RIA Novosti news agency.


Each of these issues is serious and requires a separate consideration. "Rumble" is really poisonous. For the first, second and third stages, dangerous asymmetric dimethylhydrazine or heptyl is used. The one because of which Proton-M was so actively criticized (and continues to criticize) at one time. The fact is that heptyl is a highly toxic carcinogen that can, due to inhalation of vapors or penetration through the skin, lead to pulmonary edema, loss of consciousness, convulsions and death. In addition, the spent steps pollute the soil, so launches may require expensive cleaning measures, otherwise it could seriously contaminate nearby territories.

It turns out that Russia preferred the unsafe “Proton” more environmentally neutral “Angara”, and then decided to propose the production of another carrier using asymmetric dimethylhydrazine.


However, now there is almost no doubt that the heavy A5 Angara will be used: recently it became known about the purchase by the Russian Ministry of Defense of four such carriers. But the light "Angara-1.2" seems to be waiting for hard times. And the matter is not only in “Rokot”. Recall that last year it became known that Roscosmos terminated the contract for the production of the rocket, choosing not her, but Soyuz-2 as the launch tool for the Gonets series. In the same 2019, Interfax reported one more unpleasant news: according to it, the construction price of Angara-1.2 will be one and a half times higher than the cost of creating the Soyuz rocket. In general, this could be expected at the stage of launching the rocket into the series, however, plans for the “Rokot” do not exactly add the chances for the success of the light Angara.

Industry crisis


It is worth noting another significant important detail that directly relates to the new program. The Khrunichev center, developing and manufacturing the Angara and working on the updated Rokot, is rightly considered the most problematic enterprise of the space department. Among the difficulties is a difficult financial situation. As Lenta.ru recently noted, the center’s debts exceed 80 billion rubles (according to other sources, the amount is 100 billion rubles), which is comparable to the annual budget of Roscosmos.

This is partly due to the difficulties of the transition period. Recall that in 2019 it became known that a huge business center will be built on the site of part of the territory of the Khrunichev center in Moscow, and the “Proton” and “Angara” missiles will be assembled in Omsk. Previously, we could see one of the sketches of the main building of the National Space Center, which in its shape resembles a giant launch vehicle.


In general, the prospects for the updated Rokot, as well as Angara-1.2, are very ambiguous. In this regard, the question is: can Russia even count on getting an inexpensive and safe light / ultralight carrier in the future? There are such hopes. A few days ago, the private company Cosmocourse introduced a rocket project with which it will take part in the Aeronet contest. It is assumed that a two-stage carrier will be able to put about 260 kilograms of cargo into a sun-synchronous orbit. The capabilities of the rocket should be enough to launch nano- and microsatellites. By the way, there is an unfounded opinion that the number of such devices in the general “basket” of launches will constantly grow.

On the other hand, we have repeatedly witnessed how private initiative in Russian realities ended in nothing. It is enough to recall the story of the “Sea Launch”, which now has every chance to go to scrap. But what far-reaching plans did S7 Space have, which claimed to become a “Russian SpaceX” ...
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    1. +8
      15 June 2020 06: 30
      Justify your deep thought ... what I also do not understand the endless throwings of Roscosmos from one extreme to another ... it seems they themselves clearly do not know what they need from space.
      1. -8
        15 June 2020 06: 48
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Justify your deep thought ..
        I agree, the thought is deep. feel But she is on the surface. The liberals in the first place loot, not the case. angry
        As for systems, then everything is clear. Lighter systems, cheaper. And like any worthy liberal, the author pulls an excellent private owl onto the globe of state order.
        The other day, the private company Cosmocourse has introduced a rocket project with which it will take part in the Aeronet contest.
        On the other hand, we have repeatedly witnessed how private initiative in Russian realities ended in nothing.
        Here is the main concern of the author.
        It is enough to recall the story of the “Sea Launch”, which now has every chance to go to scrap. But what far-reaching plans did S7 Space have, which claimed to become a “Russian SpaceX”

        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        it seems that they themselves clearly do not know what they need from space.
        They all know. - "KU they want!"
        1. +14
          15 June 2020 07: 52
          resumes the production of light conversion rockets "Rokot", built on the basis of ballistic UR-100N UTTX removed from combat duty

          The rocket is far from being as cheap as you might think. According to the Avia.pro portal, the cost of one launch was $ 44 million. For comparison: the launch price of the Soyuz rocket is about 40 million

          The author himself wrote everything. The cost comparison is incorrect, because otherwise the UR-100N UTTX will have to be disposed of, which would be a cheap pleasure.
          A reference to the comparison of the American Electron is generally out of place, for the carrier is a completely different class. Just the difference in the numbers in comparison looked cool, I guess.
          1. -8
            15 June 2020 09: 12
            What is the complexity and high cost of disposing of a shot at the landfill?
            1. +1
              15 June 2020 10: 01
              Well, yes, I pressed the "enter" button from the couch and that's it. laughing
              1. -4
                15 June 2020 10: 01
                Do you think the activities of launching a military missile cost more than $ 20 million?
                1. +5
                  15 June 2020 10: 07
                  Firstly, what amount did you have?
                  Secondly, if you thoughtlessly dispose of everything produced, no production will be enough.
                  1. -2
                    15 June 2020 10: 48
                    I can more precisely. SpaceX offers for additional loads 5 thousand dollars per kg, here they offer 2000 kg, i.e. 10 million, the current price of putting 2 tons into orbit.
                    Multiply by two, everything is so basic. And now the 20 million current commercial offer, which can be subtracted from the launch price of Rokot.
                    Which is declared here at 44 million.
                    Thus, 24 million is the loss from each launch.
                    1. +4
                      15 June 2020 12: 36
                      You are confused about:
                      The SpaceX rocket launch market price is about $ 60 million.
                      Total + $ 20 million. And the cost of 44 million is indicated along with the production of missiles. And here she ALREADY is. Only refinement. So consider it.
                      1. -4
                        15 June 2020 12: 50
                        You confuse, the whole Falcon-9 rocket displays 22.8 tons of cargo, and not 2 tons like Rokot. That is, to withdraw the load of the Falcon-9, you will need 11,5 Rokot missiles.
                        The RedShare program that it offers gives 5 thousand dollars per kg for additional loads.
        2. sav
          +6
          15 June 2020 08: 29
          The liberals in the first place loot, not the case.

          So you called the author by this word (it is not clear why), and meanwhile, the current president of Russia also considers himself a liberal what Skomorokhov yesterday even brought relevant videos
          1. +1
            15 June 2020 08: 56
            Quote: sav
            So you called the author by this word (it is not clear why), and meanwhile, the current president of Russia also considers himself a liberal Skomorokhov yesterday even cited relevant videos

            I name it because it is.
            Putin called himself a liberal, how many years ago?
            And the fact that Skomorokhov is trying, sticking out his tongue, so this is a mile away.
            1. sav
              +9
              15 June 2020 09: 47
              So why stoop to insults?
          2. +12
            15 June 2020 09: 01
            Quote: sav
            Skomorokhov yesterday even brought relevant videos

            Not for all yours, Skomorokhov's authority ... Very not for everyone.
            1. sav
              +5
              15 June 2020 09: 35
              It's not about my Skomorokhov, but about the video
          3. +1
            16 June 2020 12: 31
            . Russian president also considers himself a liberal

            There are different liberals, there are masked non-real liberals who call them. Distinguish them from each other in different terms.
      2. +12
        15 June 2020 06: 55
        It is enough to recall the story of the “Sea Launch”, which now has every chance to go to scrap. But what far-reaching plans did S7 Space have, which claimed to become a “Russian SpaceX” ...

        I also do not understand the endless throwings of Roscosmos from one extreme to another ... it seems they themselves clearly do not know what they need from space.

        The industry, and not only, is in a fever in the incompetent hands of "rowers", sharpened exclusively for self-enrichment. First they squeezed out the juices, then they planted some money, but half was immediately stolen. When everyone "threw their caps into the air" about the Russian future Sea Launch, it was already clear that it was not foreseen in a good, productive light. Now, they are "finishing shooting" now, which, in itself, is not bad, spent their ICBMs, and what will happen next ... A steep dive looms. RN modern building and launching are not monstrous offices to build. Manilovism at its worst.
        1. +5
          15 June 2020 07: 31
          Do not touch Rogozin! He is a journalist, not some kind of engineer. He is creatively entitled to an artistic description of the project of Roscosmos. And how beautifully he says, you will hear.
          1. +1
            15 June 2020 08: 15
            Quote: Civil
            And how beautifully he says, you will hear.

             She speaks like a nightingale singing. But the songs and the words of the rocket do not give birth.
        2. +2
          15 June 2020 08: 08
          Now, they are "finishing shooting" now, which, in itself, is not bad, have spent their ICBMs, and what will happen next ...

          You said that correctly. There are about thirty of these "Stilettos" left. Those. everything was conceived for the sake of these thirty launches.
        3. +1
          16 June 2020 12: 41
          Regarding debts, there was information that the fuel plant, with which the missiles are refueled, belongs to a private trader who raised prices, Khrunichev is forced to buy fuel at exorbitant prices, from which part of the debt arose. It is possible that there are still similar desks pumping money out.
      3. +2
        15 June 2020 09: 10
        what to say? A mess is being created, moreover, a man-made mess, created by someone and absolutely necessary for someone, so that our space industry would completely collapse. There is no clear understanding in which direction to move and why to develop space programs.

        Recall that soon the country wants to fully commission not only the long-suffering heavy Angara A5 and its development in the face of the Angara A5M, but also the brand new Irtysh, which should replace the Soyuz family missiles.


        Yes, the country DOESN’T WANT this hangar at all, it has long been clear to everyone, because this hangar has no advantage over Soviet missiles, and therefore there are no prospects.
        Roscosmos can’t integrate into this stupid international trade in satellite launch services, and to hell with them, you need to do YOUR own affairs.
        -Build your station.
        - Launch the lunar program of a manned ship. How much you can already chat about the moon, it's time to be there already.
        - launch their Soviet rockets Energiya, Soyuz with good RD and NK engines into low Earth orbit and geostationary orbit.
        -and do not invent all sorts of nonsense about the hangar, but the Yenisei.
        And to sell the station to pin_dos, we’ll see how they can feel there on their bottles, very quickly everything will be dirtied and abandoned.
    2. AUL
      +8
      15 June 2020 07: 06
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Author, you

      Regardless of your attitude to what the author wrote, you can be rude in the pub (if you are not afraid to get paid for it), and not on the pages of a respected forum!
  2. +4
    15 June 2020 06: 38
    you see, according to the Avia pro portal, you can immediately stop reading. Well, as an example, one of the headlines on their portal-In NATO announced their readiness to start a military invasion of Russia
    Read more at: https://avia.pro/news/v-nato-zayavili-o-gotovnosti-nachala-voennogo-vtorzheniya-v-rossiyu
    or other - American fighters have begun "free hunting" for Russian Su-57
    Read more at: https://avia.pro/news/amerikanskie-istrebiteli-nachali-svobodnuyu-ohotu-na-rossiyskie-su-57
    this is a garbage dump and I do not understand. how can you even refer to it.
    1. +1
      15 June 2020 06: 45
      you see, according to the Avia pro portal, you can immediately stop reading.

      I do not read this garbage dump ... smile except that I look at the headlines ... you determine from them what task was given to the editor to reset the next fake or disinformation ... they are not friends at all with all their nonsense.
      In our cosmonautics ... civilian ... I look at the results of launches and their appointments ... there are no questions for the military, they are fine, but there are a lot of questions for civilians.
      1. +6
        15 June 2020 06: 55
        There is no civilian space, 99% one way or another as a result is tied to a military commissar, even growing plants and Drosdophilus flies.
    2. 0
      15 June 2020 07: 00
      Quote: carstorm 11
      you see, according to the Avia pro portal, you can immediately stop reading

      So you read not only the headings, but also the content. Including on Avia.pro. wink
      1. +3
        15 June 2020 07: 24
        Near the Russian military air base "Hmeimim" in Syria, an American military plane P-3 Aries was seen, which had not previously appeared in this area of ​​the Mediterranean Sea. Given the capabilities of this aircraft, experts note that the Americans definitely noticed something very mysterious and interesting at the Russian military airfield or in the immediate vicinity of it, to identify which the capabilities of the RC-135 and P-8A Poseidon aircraft were clearly not enough, and although the aircraft more designed for work on the water surface, experts do not exclude that its appearance in the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea may indicate the appearance of the latest weapons at Russian military bases, especially given the fact that modern weapons developed in Russia are being tested in the ATS. According to available information, the American military aircraft Lockheed EP-3E ARIES II was located right next to the Hmeimim airbase, against which experts had speculated that modern Russian aircraft, helicopters or even air defense systems could have appeared at the Russian military airfield, including this applies to the S-500 "Prometheus" or strike drone S-70 "Hunter", which is also being tested.
        read this?))) I can throw hundreds of such stuffing from my head from a typical source) like a pancake in a joke, do you have an aquarium? no. then you are impotent.
        1. +1
          15 June 2020 11: 59
          Quote: carstorm 11
          read this?))) I can throw such stuffing from my head a hundred in a day

          Do you also add photos of an airbase in Syria with an object "similar" to "Hunter"? In addition, there are many who refer to NI. But on VO not very ... And on you too. You will become a reliable source, they will link to you. It's all simple.
          1. 0
            15 June 2020 13: 36
            Do they have these photos?)))
            1. 0
              15 June 2020 16: 23
              Quote: carstorm 11
              Do they have these photos?)))

              In any case, they spread it on the Internet ...
              1. 0
                22 June 2020 04: 32
                Quote: Hagen
                In any case, they spread it on the Internet ...

                So these are not photographs of "Hunter", but a Rorschach test. Show these pictures to the Norwegians, they will see a Russian submarine there, the Ukrainians will see Russian tanks, and the minke whales see our aviation everywhere laughing
    3. +4
      15 June 2020 08: 06
      Quote: carstorm 11
      NATO announced readiness to launch military invasion of Russia
      American fighters begin "free hunt" for Russian Su-57

      The first piece of news is its favorite genre "reprints from The National Interest". The second news about the repainted F16 was here, only under a different heading. I don't see much difference between them and VO, to be honest.
      1. -1
        15 June 2020 13: 35
        The headline says more) I read these articles. Only with such a title is the meaning completely different
        1. 0
          15 June 2020 14: 14
          This is called "clickbait" and this is the reality of online media. Look at the title of this article, until you read the text, you will not understand that this is only about Angara-1.2
  3. +2
    15 June 2020 06: 42
    It is clear that there is no concept on what to fly into space in Russia, since all the proposed rocket technology projects are not implemented or are not feasible. One chatter and even with an eye on NASA. Hence the lack of interest in space exploration. It's disgusting, as if I came to the bakery and you see moldy bread on the counter, and colorful posters with "heat-burning" buns, loaves and loaves are hung on the walls.
  4. 0
    15 June 2020 07: 02
    All officials are eager for quick victories, just victories and for the price they ..... for starters, we must force them FOR THE PRICE and much more RESPOND!
  5. +7
    15 June 2020 08: 17
    The price of land in Moscow will kill more than one space program.
    1. +4
      15 June 2020 08: 51
      The price of land in Moscow will kill more than one space program.

      Not only. According to Khrunichev (and other Moscow), the problem is more in salaries. They don’t want to locksmith for 25, as in Samara. There was an idea of ​​transfer. Counted-tears. There is still a crisis ...
  6. 0
    15 June 2020 08: 19
    The state order defines as it were. Even from private traders. Everything else in the article is a liberal flight of thought and outright speculation. In one thing the author is right, there is a systemic crisis of space growth. At all. In general. from the 70s. And they will not take us further than the moon.
    1. -3
      15 June 2020 11: 04
      Quote: shinobi
      All "new" ideas and rockets come from the 70s. And they will not take us further than the moon.

      In fact, in Rosskosmos developed a nuclear tug that allows you to make space travel within our galaxy.

      An explanation in the videos of the author (Dmitry Konanykhin) on the subject of nuclear engines and a nuclear tug.

      How the tug turns around at 6:20
      1. +4
        15 June 2020 11: 23
        Comrade optimist. Within the "habitat" is the maximum. This is Venus-Earth-Mars-Asteroid Belt. And speaking of the systemic crisis, I meant the surface-orbit system. Until complexes are developed where the cost of cargo delivery will not exceed If the price is the same as in a regular flight, there is no need to talk about any kind of active activity in space. Even in the near, within the moon. The nuclear tug was created in order to freely carry cargo in different orbits, no further than the lunar, but into orbit he will be taken out the old fashioned way. As they will be tossing cargo into orbit for him. He cannot influence the price tag of this procedure in any way. It is necessary to bring to mind the concept of Myasishchev.
        1. -4
          15 June 2020 11: 34
          Quote: shinobi
          Comrade optimist. Within the "zone of habitation" maximum. This is Venus-Earth-Mars-belt of asteroids.

          Actually, I think that people have nothing to do there. But if someone works, then there is no need to interfere. Along the way, technologies very necessary on Earth appear.
          Quote: shinobi
          And speaking of a systemic crisis, I had in mind surface-orbit systems. Until complexes are developed where the cost of delivery does not exceed at least the same price as with a regular flight, there is no need to talk about any active activity in space.

          Well, you are bent. With physics, definitely not at odds.
          At least read about the "potential energy" and then, about the kinetic (how to accelerate and decelerate). Airplanes have no such problems.
          Quote: shinobi
          Even in the near, within the moon.

          The moon is a political PR. Only the military have practical interest there.
          1. -2
            15 June 2020 12: 39
            And here is physics. I took air transportation as an example of pricing, and not the ideas of space systems. If you are about Myasishchev's concepts, then he was not only involved in aviation. His VKS M-19 with a hybrid powerplant is more relevant than ever.
            1. 0
              15 June 2020 13: 09
              Quote: shinobi
              And here is physics. I took air transportation as an example of pricing, and not the ideas of space systems.

              Physics determines energy costs.
              The ISS orbit is 40 times higher than the cruising level of the aircraft (potential energy). So increase by 40 times the mass and cost of fuel on take-off.
              The orbital speed of the ISS is about 27700 km / h, 30 times that of an airplane (kinetic ...). The amount of energy you need is more than 30 * 30 = 900 times.
              Total, energy must be pumped to lift into orbit 400 km, almost 1000 times more.
              This is a very primitive calculation, since you need to carry the weight of the fuel with you.
              And you probably have free energy and then you can compare the flight of an airplane and a rocket.
              1. -1
                17 June 2020 02: 48
                The M-19 was developed as a strike aerospace system. Remove armaments from it, add additional hydrogen tanks and the radius of coverage of possible orbits will increase to lunar ones. On Myasischevsky M-19, a hybrid power plant. A nuclear cooled reactor with sodium provides RPB operation (atmospheric part) and RD (space). You would at least google requested, for a change, an accountant.
        2. +1
          16 June 2020 13: 13
          moon, but it will be put into orbit in the old fashioned way.

          And what do you want, they have not yet come up with a method other than burning. (reactors at nuclear power plants are also primitive; they heat water for steam turbines.)
          You are one of those who want to colonize stars in one generation, but this is self-deception, since science and technology are primitive for this.
          We are in the stone age of space exploration.
      2. 0
        15 June 2020 14: 30
        Quote: Genry
        In fact, in Rosskosmos developed a nuclear tug

        There it is ... https://ria.ru/20200429/1570715552.html
        1. 0
          15 June 2020 15: 03
          Quote: military_cat
          There it is ...

          "This is" a working environment - there periodically ... Science is not shifting bricks.
      3. -1
        16 June 2020 17: 15
        Developed !? Or they thought, "and then let the engineers think" (c).
  7. 0
    15 June 2020 08: 29
    It's not easy, but very simple))))
    Although, honestly, just in a matchbox.
    The creation of the Rokot will give in the near future the AVAILABILITY of the finished, spent, carrier.
    That is, it will definitely be and will be used.
    In the end, the military needs a workhorse, not ghostly plans for the future.
    Yes, it costs money.
    But the ultimate goal will be achieved without the prospect of shifting the deadlines to the right.
  8. 0
    15 June 2020 09: 08
    In this regard, the question is: can Russia even count on getting an inexpensive and safe light / ultralight carrier in the future?

    Why maybe he already is, tested and flies. It is called Soyuz-2V.
    And Rokot-2 is Khrunichev’s next attempt to stay afloat. In general, all recent publications, events and discussions are inspired by the Khruniks. They really do not want to be closed at all. And on the other hand. They stopped the release of Proton, forgotten how to do orbital modules (the fate of Science), does not stick with the Angara. So they invent, then Proton-Licht, then Rokot-2. The main thing is that there is equipment, albeit of the last century, but it is possible to produce products on it, even of the last century, but which of them cares. I really do not want to go to work in Omsk and I want to get a big salary in Moscow. It is necessary to close Tsikh completely. Orbital modules transmit Energy. And rockets are already doing on Progress.
    1. 0
      15 June 2020 09: 38
      Quote: Jurkovs
      Roar-2 is Khrunichev's next attempt to stay afloat.

      Roar-2 is an opportunity to receive 30 or cheaper launches (finished missiles are removed from duty and carry out useful launches on them). It just lacks a modern management system that can be created as a modification of the latest developments for Soyuz-5 (Irtysh) or the Angara, or ....
  9. +2
    15 June 2020 09: 36
    There is no light carrier, so they return to Rokot.

    We actually had 4 carriers:

    1. Proton M - heptyl - to a low orbital orbit (DOE) - 23,7 tons.
    2. Zenith 2 - kerosene - DOE - 13,7 tons
    3. Union 2.1b - kerosene - DOE - 7,8 tons.
    4. Rumble - heptyl - NOO - 2,1 tons

    Zenit is everything (Ukraine), Angara is damp, and the orbital grouping needs to be updated constantly.
    1. +1
      15 June 2020 09: 58
      Quote: Arzt
      There is no light carrier, so they return to Rokot.

      Do you think that Rokot would simply be picked up and thrown away?
      Its useful use was planned before the start of design.
      1. 0
        15 June 2020 10: 08
        Do you think that Rokot would simply be picked up and thrown away?
        Its useful use was planned before the start of design.

        Eco-friendly times have begun.
        They wanted to give up heptyl, but Angara did not go ...
        1. +1
          15 June 2020 10: 16
          Quote: Arzt
          Eco-friendly times have begun.
          They wanted to give up heptyl

          Heptyl was abandoned in new designs and manufacturing of NEW (but old designs) launch vehicles.
          Heptyl will be used for a long time in devices where multiple switching on of the engine is required (spaceships). Even in CrewDragon, it is used, despite its novelty and "advanced" and the possibility of astronauts being poisoned at any stage of the flight (in the Soyuz, when landing, everything falls off with the aggregate compartment).
          1. 0
            17 June 2020 19: 10
            I wonder how astronauts can go in spacesuits?
    2. 0
      15 June 2020 14: 22
      Quote: Arzt
      There is no light carrier, so they return to Rokot.

      And "unions" are no longer counted, or what? In addition to 2.1b, there is also 2.1c (2.8t on LEO - it is he who is a real competitor to both Angara-1.2 and conversion ICBMs).

      The meager number of launches 2.1v means that there are not very many loads of this size.
  10. 0
    15 June 2020 10: 17
    the most problematic enterprise of the space department

    no. the most problematic space enterprise
  11. 0
    15 June 2020 11: 41
    What is our goal in space? Why do we need it? Have an understanding of this? Missiles are being built not just like that, but for something. Roscosmos is doing what private traders should do, commercial delivery. When people do what they should not and cannot do, it turns out Crap.
    1. -2
      15 June 2020 12: 12
      Quote: Grazdanin
      Roscosmos is doing what private traders should do, commercial delivery. When people do what they should not and cannot do, it turns out Crap.

      What should Roskosmos do? Evaporate?

      And how will private traders do what they don’t know? It requires science and specialists, and a production base and finance. Private traders will be able to draw several scientific programs on materials or chemical components or the study of the flight situation inside and outside the ship ??? Private traders will never be able to achieve the capabilities of a large corporation. Here they can PR unlimitedly.

      Crap is the stream of consciousness of couch experts.
      1. +3
        15 June 2020 12: 38
        What Roskosmos does is evident from the results. Both the Angara in the series and From the East every week, rockets take off and the Federation is restarted for the fifth time in space, and the ship designed by Korolev has long been decommissioned.
        The state must regulate, create conditions, support, invest, protect.
        How the state and private traders work is seen from the results. Outside the window is 2020, not 1961.
    2. 0
      15 June 2020 13: 39
      What is our goal in space? Why do we need it? Have an understanding of this?

      The orbiting satellite constellation needs to be kept unambiguously.

      In perspective:
      Permanent AMS in the orbits of Venus and Mars, on Mars - surface mapping.
      Long-playing devices on the surface of these planets.
      AMS to distant planets, Mercury and asteroids.
      Your own Hubble telescope or (better) participation in the joint programs "James Webb", LUVOIR.
  12. 0
    15 June 2020 11: 55
    In short blah blah .. and the maximum - the disposal of Soviet missiles! What’s new is created, except for the ciphers in the name ???
    1. 0
      15 June 2020 11: 59
      Quote: FalconD
      In short blah blah .. and the maximum - the disposal of Soviet missiles! What’s new is created, except for the ciphers in the name ???

      What new can you say in the subject line of an article about an old rocket? Are you having trouble concentrating? Maybe talk about the weather here?
      1. 0
        15 June 2020 12: 08
        Carefully read the first paragraph in the article and think again!
        1. +1
          15 June 2020 12: 16
          And when did the first paragraph determine the theme of the whole text?
          If this article was earlier, then they wrote about the Congress of the CPSU.
  13. +1
    15 June 2020 12: 32
    Well, it's high time to get away from poisonous missiles, because the accompanying expenses and damage are still borne by the state, which kills the commercial potential. It is best for us now to focus not on "catching up" but on our idea with a megawatt nuclear tug - and heavy / heavy for it.
    In the medium term, we could make a lot of money on transport services - but not to orbit and back, but more serious ones. As for light carriers for outputting small loads, we have remarkable developments in large aircraft and we can quite quickly master the direction of aircraft launch, which will plug all these "Electrons" into the belt.
    It is only necessary that people who can count money and make adequate business plans take up space — and get money after success (or get a boot under the tail in time if success is not visible).
  14. -1
    15 June 2020 12: 36
    Why? Probably because back in March 2018 the following was announced
    The Soviet-made UR-100N UTTH intercontinental ballistic missiles (SS-19 Stilett according to the US classification) will become the first carriers of hypersonic gliding units of the newest Russian complex Avangard. This was reported to TASS by a source in the Russian military-industrial complex.
    1. -2
      15 June 2020 12: 56
      Quote: Vladimir61
      back in March 2018, literally the following was announced

      It was a political statement ....
      Now "Sarmat" is already on its way out, and as planned, hyper-blocks will be placed immediately on it.
  15. 0
    15 June 2020 17: 18
    The figures on the economy of "Rokot" are absolutely non-transparent, instead of expensive utilization, costly modernization. Let's calculate the cost of a "cheap" launch plus expensive disposal and it will definitely be more expensive.
    1. +1
      16 June 2020 13: 19
      Yes, there the conversion cost is probably pretty penny, they just put the price tag on the market, and the difference in your pocket, to support the pants. In general, they fix something for which developers roll the barrel on them, increase profitability.
  16. +1
    15 June 2020 17: 30
    "There is one more difficulty, which was rightly pointed out by the head of the Institute for Space Policy, Ivan Moiseev," a certain Ivan Moiseev, scientific director of the Institute for Space Policy.
    Well, that is not intergalactic diplomacy. The site of this self-proclaimed “institute” speaks for itself: all the information on it was out of date many years ago. In Soviet times, Moiseev worked at the All-Russian Research Institute of Lifting and Transport Engineering, and under Yeltsin he was somehow harassed by the development of the law “On Space Activities”.
    In 1994, Moiseev was a specialist-expert at the Parliamentary Center of the Russian Federation. In 1995 - 1998, Moiseev worked as an engineer at the Russian Legal Academy of the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation (!). From 1999 to the present day - the head of the Institute of Space Policy, as well as an expert of the Cosmos Cluster of the Skolkovo Foundation? !!. Obviously, with such a biography, he has the most indirect relation to the space industry. About the fact that this "institution" is nothing more than an NGO, I think there is no need to add.
  17. +2
    15 June 2020 18: 12
    "... a huge business center will be built on the site of part of the Khrunichev center in Moscow, and the Proton and Angara rockets will be assembled in Omsk."
    Well, it’s more profitable to cut babos from shopping and business centers than to “raise Russia off its knees”! ZiL was stolen, AZLK was stolen. Is rocketry still breathing? And let's take it away !!! For loyalty to Chubais to appoint director.
  18. +2
    15 June 2020 22: 34
    Another "masquerade"
    However, in this case, this can hardly be called a plus (everything is financed not by private owners, but by the state).
    where space is funded by private owners, well, show me? SpiceX? Do not tell, the money comes from NASA and technology with personnel.
  19. -1
    16 June 2020 13: 13
    The most problematic part of Roscosmos is its leadership, random people are not involved in technology and business. Killing another private initiative of S7 space, they not only lose the money invested in the industry by this company, but also the potential investments of the rest of the business, and Filev himself is a military engineer, unlike that rabble not only got to the feeding trough. It was possible to attract money to the same Khrunichev center, to launch the Rokot from the Brazilian cosmodrome, and then Proton. Yes, a lot of things can be done in the Central House of Artists, and there is a lot of money in the country, only people need to be attracted who know how to work with them, and not to eat up the budget.
  20. 0
    16 June 2020 13: 28
    Quote: BlackMokona
    What is the complexity and high cost of disposing of a shot at the landfill?

    In the name of a tabular dataset for reliability? If the further manufacture and operation of this missile were planned, then, for the military, in particular, it would be important. To have an amazingly reliable system is to get a guarantee of completing a combat mission. But it has been removed from service and no one needs such tables. Chop iron? Wouldn't it be better to make a computer that controls the missile systems, gaining additional knowledge and experience in this matter, and shoot the existing ones as many times as there are still? It’s not very expensive to convert the starting systems to the old engines, but with the new control system, it’s not very expensive. I don’t understand how we can, with our knowledge of specifics, talk about this topic? Are we not taking on an overwhelming task? Peak vests, fuck your mother. "- Have you read about the conference on disarmament? - one pique vest addressed to another pike vest. - Speech by Count Bernstorf.

    - Bernstorf is the head! - answered the questioned vest in such a tone as if he was convinced of this on the basis of his many years of acquaintance with the count. "
  21. 0
    16 June 2020 13: 38
    Quote: Black Colonel
    "... a huge business center will be built on the site of part of the Khrunichev center in Moscow, and the Proton and Angara rockets will be assembled in Omsk."
    Well, it’s more profitable to cut babos from shopping and business centers than to “raise Russia off its knees”! ZiL was stolen, AZLK was stolen. Is rocketry still breathing? And let's take it away !!! For loyalty to Chubais to appoint director.

    Does this crap look like Gazprom’s glass corn in St. Petersburg? To sell 3 billion budget money in the name of the convenience of office plankton and getting dough in your own pockets for renting super-prestigious and super-expensive areas that are never used in the future by Gazprom itself?
  22. +1
    16 June 2020 13: 46
    Quote: Grazdanin
    What is our goal in space? Why do we need it? Have an understanding of this? Missiles are being built not just like that, but for something. Roscosmos is doing what private traders should do, commercial delivery. When people do what they should not and cannot do, it turns out Crap.

    To THINK about the problems that you assign to Roscosmos, it is enough to have one Ragozin. UUUUUUU, BALLS are running around ..... But to earn money and designing something to give to crooks, like Mask. Ask him how many and why generous uncles from the state feeder dumped him?
  23. +1
    16 June 2020 13: 58
    Quote: Jurkovs
    In this regard, the question is: can Russia even count on getting an inexpensive and safe light / ultralight carrier in the future?

    Why maybe he already is, tested and flies. It is called Soyuz-2V.
    And Rokot-2 is Khrunichev’s next attempt to stay afloat. In general, all recent publications, events and discussions are inspired by the Khruniks. They really do not want to be closed at all. And on the other hand. They stopped the release of Proton, forgotten how to do orbital modules (the fate of Science), does not stick with the Angara. So they invent, then Proton-Licht, then Rokot-2. The main thing is that there is equipment, albeit of the last century, but it is possible to produce products on it, even of the last century, but which of them cares. I really do not want to go to work in Omsk and I want to get a big salary in Moscow. It is necessary to close Tsikh completely. Orbital modules transmit Energy. And rockets are already doing on Progress.

    Unions need to be done, and Rokoty wallow in storage. That’s the whole difference. And the difference is in the prudent use of what has already been done long ago. Return to the economy at least part of past costs.
  24. -1
    16 June 2020 19: 18
    firm "FOR" amendments to the Constitution! an emphatic "NO!" The CIA Constitution of the Russian Federation of 1993, slipped into the alcoholic Yeltsin !!!
  25. +1
    17 June 2020 09: 02
    How are you sick of it, iksperdy Mamkin. Suck each other and then suck the news. Where is the conversion of ready-made ICBMs, and where are the new missiles for launching ... taking such an iksperd and a frying pan over the head ... it's still empty there, the homothety will at least understand that you don’t need to write if the news sucked from a friend’s appendix
  26. +1
    17 June 2020 16: 18
    Is there a limit to the stupidity of resource authors? Purely from a scientific point of view. Or the limit of incompetence? No, they banyat here great, in two hands, but they did not grow their brains. The fact that no one is going to produce Rokot rockets, because they have been manufactured for a long time and have already defended on combat duty in the Strategic Missile Forces, is twenty years old, the author, of course, is not in the know. The fact that the sale price and cost of goods sold are very distant from each other, the author could certainly find out, but the ABC book stolen in the first class prevented this. So go ahead, ban readers in a Stakhanovian way, and most importantly, make a request for financial assistance to a resource larger so that everyone can laugh.
  27. 0
    17 June 2020 18: 29
    As an option, adapt the sea launch for the "roar" and other conversion heptyls. Then another couple of platforms to build an updated Proton, although it is easier to launch from Brazil, but to catch the steps is already a marine infrastructure.

    From Plesetsk launch LNG missiles. From union 2.1c, in several stages, this can be obtained with returned blocks.

    Under the first project financing through S7, Khruinichev and Moscow Region. Under the second Samara, Gazprom, Novatek.
  28. 0
    17 June 2020 18: 49
    + Proton launch pads at Baikonur will be free. They should be remade for kerosene "Energy" 2 * RD-170 + RD-180. On the East, respectively, only deal with hydrogen. Including union for the upper steps.
  29. 0
    22 June 2020 02: 31
    Quote: sav
    and about the video


    Here is the correct video:


  30. 0
    22 June 2020 08: 35
    What can I say, judging by the article, someone needed the land in Moscow, but in Siberia everything will start from scratch, and kickbacks as "Vostochny" confirmed that they are dangerous with the loss of time in the courts and the investigation, so they overwrite it.

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