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State and power struggle

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“The state does not exist in order to turn earthly life into paradise, but in order to prevent it from finally turning into hell” Nikolai Aleksandrovich Berdyaev

“The value of the ideal is that it moves away as one approaches it.” Mahatma Gandhi


At all times, normal people wanted to live better, to have such power and a state that would protect the interests of most of society. You can speculate a bit, but what is power and the state in general. In this case, I propose starting from the late USSR in the late 80s. The question arises, what exactly did a simple Soviet person know about power in the USSR? Virtually nothing but a large number of its external attributes - the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, the Supreme Council, regional committees (district committees, city committees) of the CPSU and other organizations. There was a strict hierarchy of power in which all the CPSU leaders were almost exactly the same, faithful comrades-in-arms, Bolshevik communists of Leninist principles. This was partly true until 1985, and then in a strange way, with the support of part of the top of the CPSU, one of them - Gorbachev very quickly (in just 6 years) destroyed the great power that he himself headed. He was able to carry out this action, deftly posing as an honest communist, supporter of the ideas of Marxism-Leninism. And then he himself was kicked out of power by other, more unprincipled, former members of the CPSU led by Yeltsin.

As a result of this struggle for power, we all lost our great Motherland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. If the struggle for power continues in such ways, we can deprive our descendants and the remnants of the great Motherland - Russia within its current borders.

Power to a simple person from among the conditional workers, employees and peasants almost always seems monolithic and united. After all, its representatives sit at the same meetings, make smart and meaningful faces, say the same words. They shake hands, smile.

In fact, there is almost never a monolithic unity in power. The general rule is as follows: in the overwhelming majority of coups, revolutions, conspiracies and rebellions, people are going to take power from its holder from his closest circle, using any methods, including the social activities of people who are dissatisfied to various degrees with the current government.

The Soviet Union collapsed, if I may say so, a certain part of the highest functionaries of the CPSU, who consciously abandoned the jerk into the future. Moreover, they refused when the most difficult and bloody stages of the formation of the state were already passed. They very much wanted personally for themselves the opportunity to live the way the elite lives in the USA and other Western countries and thought that the Western elites would accept them into their community on equal terms. But it did not grow together - they were deceived in the best traditions of a capitalist society led by the Anglo-Saxons. And the people of the USSR were seduced by jeans, McDonald's, chewing gum, a large number of sausage varieties and Western show business. Of course, the Western special services could not do without the destabilizing effect, but this impact was not decisive.

"The struggle for power yesterday and today"
In modern Russia, the struggle for power continues as well. None of the current politicians has comprehensive power, everyone has to balance, negotiate, compromise. And very often, one of the tools in the struggle for power is the use of public opinion, including on the Internet. Of course, it is not decisive, but it does have a certain impact on the situation.

At the moment, the main irritants for a certain category of always and to all dissatisfied citizens of our state and those who pretend to be them (citizens) are such constituents of the state as the President of Russia, the Russian government and one of the power structures - the Russian Guard. All this suspiciously coincides with the opinion and actions of the leadership of NATO countries, the propaganda of Western NPOs and the general direction of articles in the Western press.

As soon as articles appear on various sites with the mention of the aforementioned people involved (and the subject matter of the articles is not so important), a certain category of commentators flies immediately. These characters are not so many - no more than 10-30% (depending on the site), but they are very active and organized - write one comment after another, “expose” the mode, put advantages to their “colleagues”, cons - all who dared to have the opposite point of view, while not disdaining to use rudeness in comments, direct insults, escalation of emotions and provocations. They strive by all means to convince everyone that they are the majority (in particular, they use many accounts for this). That is, as M.N. said Zadornov “There are more good people, but bad people are better organized.”

Moreover, instead of real constructive criticism, with suggestions about what and how to fix, redo - as a rule, rude curses, hypertrophic sarcasm, some kind of children's teasers, redrawing and reinterpreting of surnames, names, etc. If something does not suit the opponents, they will try to humiliate and insult them in every possible way. And no matter who they are talking about - about a woman, a veteran of the Second World War. If someone “dared” to have a different point of view, it means that they need to be crushed morally.

Very often, a number of authors of articles and commentators from the above category penetrate the readers and make statements on behalf of the entire people of Russia, clearly without any right to do so.

In this case, slop is cast in any case, even if it is hypothetically assumed that the president and the government of the Russian Federation selects the wishes of different Runet communities and realizes most of them - there will still be a lot of people who are dissatisfied with the methods, timelines and other aspects of execution. In general, a call has been heard from the depths of centuries: “Carthage must be destroyed” or a more recent modern motto - “Assad (Putin and other unwanted - you can enter any politician) must leave” - this shows that if the manuals are rewritten, it’s rare and slightly.

I do not consider myself a fan of Putin V.V. - he is far from ideal (like any other politician, and in general - a person). A person in politics is certainly important, but for me the main thing is that the state, because of the internal struggle for power, does not collapse on the heads of its fellow citizens, as it has already been twice in the last 100 years, and before that, in troubled times, it began century.

Striving for the best, fighting for our rights and against corruption is certainly good, but in the course of all these transformations you can destroy your country and its fragments, then you can’t glue it together - it’s not a tea cup. The pretext that “Risk is a noble cause” does not always fit into the field of public administration - such phantoms of the 90s as the Ural Republic, the Republic of Ichkeria, the Siberian Republic and other attempts of small-town separatism are still recalled. some of them subsequently turned into great blood.

The more time passes after the 90s, the more voices it sounds that Putin V.V. He did nothing special - Russia, as a single state, which has some weight on the world stage and internal stability, has been preserved as if by itself. Similar statements were made about the USSR - they say that the Soviet people defeated Hitler not because of, but contrary to Stalin I.V. In order to avoid unnecessary criticism of how I could dare to compare these two leaders of our state - I bring my opinion: Putin V.V. as head of state, unfortunately, is much weaker than Stalin I.V.

President Putin V.V. after the March 2018 elections, he made only one major mistake - this is an increase in the retirement age. Why he did this, I don’t know, and those who constantly discuss this topic also know nothing for sure, only voice their own and other people's guesses. In general, it is interesting to read the comments of some "soldiers of the Internet front" to the article, for example, about the adoption of new equipment by the RF Armed Forces, sounding on the principle: "New technology is certainly good, but Putin must leave, because ... ..". Personally, I am not against a change of power, but only in such a way that the consequences of its change do not lead to a full-scale civil war. And in the event of an attempt to change the government by means of “Maydan-colored” events, the likelihood of a civil conflict is very high.

“Change of power: through elections or through violence”
One of the main arguments of people calling for a change in the President of the Russian Federation is that there are no irreplaceable politicians and out of 146 million Russian citizens there are many worthy candidates. I agree with this argument, but only with one condition: these candidates must have leadership experience at the level of the head (deputy) of one of the regions of Russia or at least one of the ministries of the government of the Russian Federation. And subsequently, after the election, to be able to assemble the necessary team of professionals for the work of the same government, and it would be desirable if this were not an analogue of “Quarter 95”.

It is interesting that among a number of online communities, when discussing the problems of the domestic policy of our country, the opinion that if you change a person today as the president of the Russian Federation (in their opinion, you can put anyone - even a collective farmer, even a writer - historian, without team, without any management experience), then tomorrow or, in extreme cases, the day after tomorrow - we will live, so that even the USA and EU countries will be madly envious of us. Doesn’t resemble anything? Moreover, judging by a number of commentators - this is the opinion of people who probably have extensive life experience. But apparently age does not always add wisdom to a person.

The worst thing is that some commentators in a somewhat camouflaged form, and sometimes even openly call for a person to be replaced by the president of the Russian Federation, to put it mildly, in an unconstitutional way - the set of funds for this is not so big - "maidans", "color revolutions" , "Revolution of dignity", political assassinations and the rest "gentlemanly set." Most likely, no one will go to war just for us to change power, as to Iraq or Libya - for it is scary.

Thus, the main question remains: how to change the head of state? If through a revolution followed by a civil war, then I think that most of the citizens of our country will be against such a scenario. And it is not a fact that the power that will succeed will be better than the previous one. Looking at the events of recent decades, it can be argued that those countries where the "colorful revolutions" took place began to live worse than they did when the bloody dictatorsh were overthrown by the "will of the people." It is especially funny that at one time they called Yanukovych a bloody dictator. Those who came after him are much more bloody personalities.

“How and why do the false create news»
The ultimate goal of discrediting a subject is to humanize it and present it in a grotesque manner that justifies the use of violence against it, using Goebbels principles, which express that any lie is possible if it leads to the necessary goal. For example, one of the well-known hoaxes is that the modern state flag of Russia is “Vlasov”, i.e. used ROA. In fact, this is not so - the flag of the ROA was white with an oblique azure cross, better known as St. Andrew and the inscription ROA, the sleeve chevron of the ROA was also the Andreevsky flag with a red edging. The only documented use of the three-color flag by the Vlasovites is the so-called. a parade of the 1st ROA brigade in occupied Pskov on June 22, 1943, however, further the Hitler command of such an initiative of the ROA no longer allowed. But after all, for a certain category of people, truth is not the main thing, the main thing is to launch a provocation to the masses, and even if the lie is later exposed, the sediment will still remain. And by the way, the Vichy government of France, the SS division Charlemagne used the national flag, but for some reason after the war it never occurred to anyone that it was necessary to abandon it, because it was used by traitors of the homeland.

Currently, such previously positive concepts as “national bonds”, “Orthodox people”, “Orthodox church”, unwillingness to “rock the boat” are being discredited. The word patriot is transformed into a contemptuous “hooray-patriot” or even more offensive “idiot” - two concepts could be vulgarized at the same time: the battle cry of the Russians and the definition of people who love their homeland. Now, if these terms are used in argumentation, then they will be taunted and ironized by people who, oddly enough, position themselves, just like the patriots of their country.

It is very strange that these “patriots” propose to remove, as they believe, rats and cockroaches (thieves, bribe takers and oligarchs) from our common home by completely burning it - and how else can we assess the calls for a violent change of power. Very flawed logic - because in the events of the collapse of the Russian Empire and the formation of the USSR, nothing was predetermined in advance. If not for decisive actions V.I. Lenin and the subsequent strengthening of the positions of the USSR I.V. Stalin (there was an element of luck - that it was these people who were at the right time in the right place), we could completely lose our great Motherland, just because someone wanted quick and dramatic changes.

In 2018, in the election of President of the Russian Federation Putin V.V., most likely there were violations, but they were unlikely to significantly affect the overall result. Very often, as evidence of election irregularities, it is not clear where the photographs are taken. And sometimes they are so carelessly checking them before putting them out, which can often be seen on the ballot boxes or elsewhere, coats of arms and flags of other states. But this also does not bother anyone - the main thing is to throw something in, but whether it is true or not is not important.

A very strange way of vote counting is described by some commentators. They claim that after the presidential election in Russia in March 2018, they interviewed their relatives and friends, as well as all their colleagues at work, residents of their apartment building. And as a result of these polls, it was found that all the respondents allegedly did not vote for V.V. Putin Such nonsense still needs to be invented. If at my work or at home someone ran and asked who I voted for, I would send him to hell. There is still a certain moral aspect - many people are embarrassed by their position due to the fact that in some communities it is sometimes “unfashionable” to vote for power.

“And if not ………, then who?”
You feel some dissonance when you hear from fans of the Communist Party that their candidate, if elected as president of the Russian Federation, will restore social justice in particular and the Soviet Union as a whole. This is despite the fact that in 1996, Comrade Zyuganov really won the presidential election, but was frightened to take advantage of their results and exchanged people's opinion for “cookies” from the current government at that time. And what can we talk about now, when the members of the Communist Party are, in particular, “fiery communists” - dollar millionaires, terry capitalists. They are still burning with a desire to share their mansions, land and billions of rubles with the people.

With these examples, I want to say that the Communist Party, many other organizations and individuals who position themselves as communists are not really such and by their actions can not contribute to the revival of the USSR, but they can contribute to the collapse of today's Russia.

The Internet gives people the opportunity to be what they really are not, namely, very often articles, texts of comments to them, likes or dislikes, pros or cons are put by people who are not citizens of our country or are not people at all, but bot programs. The most obvious examples are the revelations of the “daughter of the Crimean officer” and attempts to panic and distrust the local authorities during the Kemerovo tragedy. Today it is already known for certain that the so-called bloggers from Ukraine, and after all there were quite a lot of people already inside Russia who believed the Ukrainian provocateurs word and immediately began to zealously criticize those whom they pointed to.

But is it possible to consider that the cyber divisions of the NATO countries, which do not lack funding, are not doing anything and are not trying to create certain moods on the Internet.

Sometimes in the comments such moments slip over the current president of Russia - “he has a cowardly and running gaze”, “frightened of his people, hid in a bunker”, “insecurity and panic mood”, etc. In this case, it is simply the desire of those who write these pearls to give their desires for reality. Even if you hate someone, you still need to observe a minimum of decency and try to be at least a little objective.
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  1. Ragnar Lodbrok
    Ragnar Lodbrok 17 June 2020 05: 13 New
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    that in 1996, comrade Zyuganov, he really won the presidential election, but was afraid to take advantage of their results and exchanged people's opinion for cookies from the current government.

    There is such a thing. Since then I have not voted for the Communist Party.
    1. Shuttle
      Shuttle 17 June 2020 05: 26 New
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      Quote: Ragnar lodbrok
      that in 1996, comrade Zyuganov, he really won the presidential election, but was afraid to take advantage of their results and exchanged people's opinion for cookies from the current government.

      There is such a thing. Since then I have not voted for the Communist Party.

      Communist Party - Typical bourgeois, capitalist party. Judge by the fruits. This organization in fact does not protect the interests of workers, but the owners of capital, in spite of any rhetoric.
      1. KCA
        KCA 17 June 2020 07: 20 New
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        A vivid example is the now forgotten by all Grudinin, a simple collective farmer-billionaire, because the Communist Party put forward him
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 17 June 2020 07: 49 New
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          Quote: KCA
          A vivid example is the now forgotten by all Grudinin, a simple collective farmer-billionaire, because the Communist Party put forward him

          Grudinina put forward the PDS of the NPSR and, by agreement with the Communist Party, he became the only opposition candidate.
          Threat. My dear, give proofs of billions of Grudinin.
          1. KCA
            KCA 17 June 2020 08: 07 New
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            Find "Grudinin's tax declaration for 2017", couldn't you guess?
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 17 June 2020 09: 10 New
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              The Internet gives people the opportunity to be what they really are not, namely, very often articles, texts of comments to them, likes or dislikes, pros or cons are put by people who are not citizens of our country or are not people at all, but bot programs.

              I propose to return the flags of the countries of the site "VO"! And that's why.

              When the VO website decided to remove the state flags of affiliation of the site's members - as I said then, that should not be done!
              That at the same time, as it were, the moral responsibility of the site member for what he writes and what he provocatively promotes for us here - in Russia - as a citizen from other countries, is removed. The site is "VO" Russian!
              But, as they say at the request of some "workers", they decided to remove the state flags of the site members.

              And in front of my eyes there was a case when a participant convinced in his rather "strange" anti-Russian comments that he was a Russian, but in fact he was not. That even the moderator, as they say, was forced to intervene and grabbed him by the hand of the lie, saying that he, as a moderator, saw the flag of the country he actually represented and that it was not the Russian Federation.

              Lenin said that in politics, before uniting, one must first separate oneself in order to understand who has what ultimate goals and to separate true allies from provocateurs-destroyers ..

              Therefore, I propose to return the flags of the countries of the site "VO"!

              And then, for example, I have to repeatedly ask in an interview with some active participant in the site, from which country he is. It is good when they honestly admit that he, for example, is from Ukraine. There is less demand from a participant from another country because he does not know much about the Russian Federation. You talk with him in a different way - you more patiently explain to him the international situation and the position of Russia.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 17 June 2020 11: 00 New
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                Quote: Tatiana
                flag of the country he imagineт

                Nobody here represents any "countries".

                Each represents exclusively MYSELF.

                The Russian world is much wider than the borders of Russia, and tens of millions of Russians and Russian speakers have the right (and it was given to VO, thanks to him) to talk about Russia.

                The article, in principle, is a plus: for a calm tone and a balanced, reasonable and thorough position: most importantly, no revolutions! And remember not to bring down the wreckage of the state in the struggle for the best.

                Let, whoever wants, choose whom he wants and where he wants, most importantly, based on the Law and evolutionarily.


                To the details, over, the questions are :.
                author: Moreover, they refused when the most difficult and bloody stages of the formation of the state were already passed.

                What lungs, according to the author, remained ahead and on the way to what?
                Or that:
                author -A people of the USSR were seduced by jeans, McDonalds, chewing gum, a large number of sausages

                Who prevented such a powerful state like the USSR from seducing their own citizens ... in the same way?

                If not for decisive actions V.I. Lenin, we could completely lose our great homeland

                I just remind the author of the fact: it was the Leninists who fought against United and Indivisible Russia, the Leninists fought FOR FORCED TRANSFER OF RUSSIANS OF Odessa, Yekaterinoslav , Yuzovka. Uralsk, Mogilev, etc., etc., from Russia, to everyone ..... Ukraine, Kazakhstan and so forth with the RIGHT to exit Ukraine from the USSR, what did they do

                And just a fact: the present borders of Russia were established precisely by the Leninists [b] in 1917-1940 [Mr. nobody else touched this fire.
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          3. CSKA
            CSKA 17 June 2020 12: 16 New
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            Quote: Malyuta
            Threat. My dear, give proofs of billions of Grudinin.

            That is, Grudinin himself recognizes his billion, but you do not?
          4. Shuttle
            Shuttle 17 June 2020 14: 07 New
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            Quote: Malyuta
            Quote: KCA
            A vivid example is the now forgotten by all Grudinin, a simple collective farmer-billionaire, because the Communist Party put forward him

            Grudinina put forward the PDS of the NPSR and, by agreement with the Communist Party, he became the only opposition candidate.
            Threat. My dear, give proofs of billions of Grudinin.

            Since when did the real communists come to terms with the national patriots?
            Only such bourgeois pads as the Communist Party can.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 17 June 2020 08: 25 New
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        Quote: Shuttle
        Communist Party - Typical bourgeois, capitalist party. Judge by the fruits.

        laughing our government needs to change orientation in order to change the vector of economic development to a positive laughing .
      3. cniza
        cniza 17 June 2020 15: 46 New
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        Communist Party - Typical bourgeois, capitalist party.


        Is it a party, it's just a kept woman ...
    2. AUL
      AUL 17 June 2020 05: 35 New
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      Another pre-election article. Well, very awkward. According to the principle - from a sore head to a healthy one!
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 17 June 2020 05: 52 New
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        For example?) Point out such moments, be so kind. And if you can
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 17 June 2020 08: 29 New
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          For example?) Point out such moments, be so kind. And if you can

          Here people will answer you
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 17 June 2020 08: 49 New
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            I kind of asked a specific person and not you. As for the video, people have the right to their opinion. Just do not really see the answers there to my question on the article.
            1. cniza
              cniza 17 June 2020 15: 49 New
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              I kind of asked a specific person and not you. As for the video, people have the right to their opinion. Just do not really see the answers there to my question on the article.


              And they are fighting a collective farm ...
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 17 June 2020 15: 58 New
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                Well, I’ve seen the minuses to simple questions for a long time)))
                1. cniza
                  cniza 17 June 2020 16: 04 New
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                  And how they try to escape from the topic, turn the arrows and only hear - Putin is to blame for everything, "Putin is to blame for everything in my staircase ..."
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 17 June 2020 16: 06 New
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                    Well, without this, essentially every branch))) of any subject)
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 17 June 2020 16: 17 New
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                      Maybe he really told them that, well, he’s crap in his pants. lol
                      1. Lexus
                        Lexus 17 June 2020 19: 36 New
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                        Maybe he really told them that, well, he’s crap in his pants.

                        No, "admirers" are ahead. They grab it on the fly. And then they buzz.

                        I did not notice that anyone other than the miscarriages of the "Order Sisters" sect

                        And they are fighting a collective farm ...

                        I was doing this, I was a specialist on VO at night to rivet the cons.

                        Undeserved / erroneous punishment can always be challenged ... If evidence supporting this is supported by facts, there are.
        2. I think logically ... occasionally
          I think logically ... occasionally 18 June 2020 19: 27 New
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          carstorm 11: "Point to this kind of moments, be so kind"

          And how do you like this moment? The article is continuous fiction. Figures, statistics showing the dynamics of the country's development, growth / decline in living standards are completely absent. Here is just one figure for you. Prior to coronavirus, the global economic development rate was about 3%, in Africa it was about 5%, Russia about 1%. The article is an attempt to write a camouflaged eulogy to the miserable rule of Mr. Putin.
      2. Far B
        Far B 17 June 2020 06: 49 New
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        I agree. The main message: do not dare to swing the galley and loosen the clamps! All rally around the guarantor and wait for life to get better!
        1. Pilot
          Pilot 17 June 2020 07: 25 New
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          Quote: Far In
          I agree. The main message: do not dare to swing the galley and loosen the clamps! All rally around the guarantor and wait for life to get better!

          Yes, the article is directly skrepyshkin zhir on their ,, wounded ,, liberal souls. laughing Why liberal? Capitalism simply cannot exist without liberalism, for which, in the person of its regional administrator, from a global cap. the world are the paperclips. Eat, do not hang on! tongue
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 17 June 2020 08: 49 New
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          Quote: Dalny V
          All rally around the guarantor and wait for life to get better!

          Yes, there is not enough Guarantor at all ... the scale of the person is limited by a close circle, and conversation with people is limited to a monologue of answering questions once a year.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 17 June 2020 17: 35 New
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            Quote: aybolyt678
            the scope of the personality is limited to a close circle

            and now it’s bad, before meeting the quarantine, you must go through a complete sanitation laughing
            The people whom he awarded on Poklonnaya Hill, 2 weeks on observation before meeting him were
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 17 June 2020 19: 07 New
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              before meeting the quarantine must go through and complete sanitation

              Special tunnels have been organized wherever the pancreas is. The poor thing is so cared for that he is forced to "boldly" the country solely by "zomboyaschik" and throw his hands and arms. Self-remote ...

              All promises a "fairy tale". If so, then even a child knows how it will end.
              Still from the movie "The Nutcracker" (1973)
      3. Malyuta
        Malyuta 17 June 2020 07: 38 New
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        Quote: AUL
        Another pre-election article. Well, very awkward. According to the principle - from a sore head to a healthy one!

        I completely agree with you. The general message of this pearl, you live in .hrenovo, but it can be even worse and therefore sit and be silent and do it better in the muzzles.
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 June 2020 15: 51 New
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          What do you propose, except for "all in the furnace"? , and the communists in power?
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 17 June 2020 16: 25 New
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            Quote: cniza
            What do you propose, except for "all in the furnace"? , and the communists in power?

            I am very sorry hi , if the question is for me, then I will answer. I do not offer everyone to the furnace, you "guards-accomplices" will climb there with pleasure and drag us with you into this abyss, apparently receiving from the authorities a little meat on the bone from the master's shoulder.
            “When the wrath of the gods befalls a person, then first of all the deity takes away his common sense and gives the wrong direction to his thoughts, so that he does not realize his mistakes” and it often seems to me that the whole country is punished. As I see in a science fiction story a radiance above the heads of people- this is not a sign of Holiness- it is a sign of corruption at the level of morality, beliefs, principles, ideas.Self-liquidation on a mental level, the nation jumps into the abyss with a cry: “Chur me, Everything is bad, but it could be worse!”
            Think about it, if there is a desire and read the "plan for the utilization of Russia". hi
            1. cniza
              cniza 17 June 2020 17: 08 New
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              "When the wrath of the gods befalls man

              Are you a pagan?
              It sounds like this - "When the Lord wants to punish a person, he deprives him of his reason"

              Think about it, if there is a desire and read the "plan for the utilization of Russia".


              Many such plans have been and will be, and Russia will live and will live with Putin, your unloved or without Putin, Russia will be.
            2. cniza
              cniza 17 June 2020 17: 22 New
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              „Chur me, Everything is bad, but it can be worse!“


              So it’s you and the companies in every post you say, though you say it can not be worse, but it will be worse if Putin does not leave.
              1. Duxan
                Duxan 17 June 2020 17: 30 New
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                Quote: cniza
                „Chur me, Everything is bad, but it can be worse!“


                So it’s you and the companies in every post you say, though you say it can not be worse, but it will be worse if Putin does not leave.

                I'm already tired of this whining Victor .. They whine and whine, and the closer the July 1 is, the howl intensifies ..
                1. cniza
                  cniza 17 June 2020 17: 37 New
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                  Vitaliy, there are a lot of them on V.O. but in life there are fewer of them. yes
                  1. Duxan
                    Duxan 17 June 2020 18: 34 New
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                    Quote: cniza
                    Vitaliy, there are a lot of them on V.O. but in life there are fewer of them. yes

                    Yes, it’s like that, and thank God it turns out .. You communicate normally on the streets, but here you read directly and you want to shoot yourself ...
                    Thank you Victor, they calmed me down a bit, otherwise my heart beats with alarm that ALL Khan of Russia have sailed .. hi
                    We’ll be alive, we won’t die ..
                    1. Lexus
                      Lexus 17 June 2020 20: 14 New
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                      I'm already tired of this whining ... the howl intensifies ..

                      So do not whine and do not howl. No one here does this except you. People want justice. Till. And they will demand. That is the story.

                      You communicate normally on the streets

                      Oh, yes ... On Rublevka, in London, Paris, Florida and on the Cote d'Azur with Courchevel - where "true patriots" still live there - everyone is also happy with everything.

                      I want to shoot myself ...

                      Is something bothering you? Or maybe a slip is likely?

                      ALL sailed and the Khan of Russia ..

                      Can't wait. But through the efforts of the authorities and its hangers-on, while maintaining the existing "breakthroughs", this would have happened guaranteed.

                      Quote: cniza
                      Vitaliy, there are a lot of them on V.O. but in life there are fewer of them.

                      There and there, not everyone survived. And now it will not work. People have seen.
                      1. Duxan
                        Duxan 17 June 2020 20: 23 New
                        -6
                        Quote: lexus
                        So do not whine and do not howl. No one here does this except you. People want justice. Till. And they will demand. That is the story.

                        You’re the direct messiah here ... laughing People are who you think dear Lexus with a red flag (cool foreign car))))
                        A lot of them got divorced and fastened red flags on avatars .. ha ha ha All over Dales are straight .. Well, goodbye wink
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 17 June 2020 21: 21 New
                        -2
                        Now the whole company is assembled, or almost all. On each political branch, they are trying to impose their model on everyone, their opinion, they drive all those undesirable into minuses, trolls and so on. These are those about whom the author of the article spoke, here is an almost-named list:
                        - Lexus;
                        - Malyuta;
                        - Overlock;
                        - AUL
                        - Svarog
                        - Midshipman
                        - Revival
                        - Silvestr
                        - Today no one else has been added, but I definitely know that is not all.
                        They do not accept any other opinion, considering themselves the ultimate truth ...
                        They all noted, at once several or successively, in my comments, where I expressed my opinion that was different from them, but they stigmatized me in unison and believe that I have no right to my opinion, which Dmitry wrote about in this article.
                      3. Malyuta
                        Malyuta 17 June 2020 22: 21 New
                        +2
                        Quote: cniza
                        These are those about whom the author of the article spoke, here is an almost-named list:
                        - Lexus;
                        - Malyuta;
                        - Overlock;
                        - AUL
                        - Svarog
                        - Midshipman
                        - Revival
                        - Silvestr
                        - Today no one else has been added, but I definitely know that is not all.

                        I am very glad that I am in the same ranks with the Dear Comrades, but alas, not everyone here can be read with pleasure.
                        I want to note that you, as the second person of the Trichamanada sect (as already indicated to you yesterday), should be ashamed to attribute your sins to other forum users, such as
                        Quote: cniza
                        On each political branch they are trying to impose their model on everyone, their opinion, they drive all those who are objectionable to minuses, trolls and so on

                        I am very sorry hi , but you have generated hatred for yourself and your kindred, so you endure what you yourself have born, and not whine, like muscular young ladies.
                        Threat. You greatly exaggerate your significance, and you underestimate your love for - / +, and you don’t even know what they write about you in PM, phones and Skype. hi
                      4. cniza
                        cniza 17 June 2020 22: 28 New
                        0
                        I am very sorry, but you have created hatred for yourself and your kind,


                        Funny you, but I deeply hate your ..., I evaluate a person according to his thoughts and deeds, and you, everyone in the list, are identical and carbon-copy, serving for your, but in my understanding, false ideals and goals.
                      5. Malyuta
                        Malyuta 17 June 2020 22: 44 New
                        +2
                        Quote: cniza
                        Yes, I deeply on your hatred ..., I evaluate a person by his thoughts and deeds

                        Qui seminat mala, metet mala
                        Quote: cniza
                        and you, all the payroll, the same and carbon copy, serving for your, but in my understanding, false ideals and goals.

                        I won’t speak for everyone, but I will say for myself, I haven’t and have not changed my ideals, and I’m proud of that. hi
                      6. cniza
                        cniza 18 June 2020 11: 04 New
                        -4
                        I do not urge you to change your ideals, this is your path. hi
    3. Malyuta
      Malyuta 17 June 2020 17: 42 New
      +8
      Quote: cniza
      So it’s you and the companies in every post you say, though you say it can not be worse, but it will be worse if Putin does not leave.

      This is exactly what I say, and the sooner he leaves, the more chances we will have to restore the plundered country. The 20 lost years for development will still hiccup the people and if in the "fat" XNUMXs they could not do anything useful, now it is a postponed disaster.
      I am very sorry hi but it’s hard for me to talk with a person who lacks a reasonably investigative addendum and common sense. hi
      Threat And you still try to think about what is happening, yes it is, at least try. hi
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 June 2020 17: 51 New
        -4
        You understand that it distinguishes us and this is normal - you say that the glass is half empty, and I say that it is half full, you are looking for the guilty person anywhere, or rather, right upstairs, but not from me, but from myself and around me and then only to the top, you want and think that Putin will leave and come better than him ... but thinking doesn’t bother anyone and especially you too. hi
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 17 June 2020 18: 02 New
          +7
          Quote: cniza
          You say that the glass is half empty, and I say that it is half full,

          Quote: cniza
          You say that the glass is half empty, and I say that it is half full,

          ))))) laughing You are mistaken! I say that GLASS IS EMPTY !!! And it is half full / empty only in your imagination, there is nothing, and you will feel the actual confirmation of this fact very soon. yes
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 June 2020 18: 07 New
            +2
            Time is the best doctor and let's see who was right. yes
            1. Duxan
              Duxan 17 June 2020 18: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: cniza
              Time is the best doctor and let's see who was right. yes

              That's right, it's better not to succumb to provocations .. As Stalin said before his death, "The wind of history will sweep away all the garbage over my grave .." ..
            2. Lexus
              Lexus 17 June 2020 20: 49 New
              +2
              "The wind of history will sweep away all garbage over my grave .. "

              He was referring to liars and traitors. As applied to today, these are the self-proclaimed privatizers of the Great Victory hiding from the wind of history, draping the Mausoleum, changing the red flags to those that were burned at its foot at the end of the Victory Parade on June 24, 1945.
            3. cniza
              cniza 17 June 2020 21: 27 New
              -3
              Are you his lawyer? maybe he himself will answer or you were given a shift?
            4. Lexus
              Lexus 17 June 2020 21: 44 New
              +2
              Are you his lawyer?

              RV lawyer will be needed. But not for long. You can try your hand.

              maybe he will answer

              Who, Stalin? I corrected the commentator about him. Or just sit on two accounts at once, you are filing your own truth-uterus?

              or have you been given a shift?

              That's about the watch is not necessary. You especially, in light of recent events. You should not consider yourself smarter than others when this is far from the case.
            5. cniza
              cniza 17 June 2020 21: 51 New
              -2
              You know, my forum member contacted me in PM, I’ll just forward you his questions:

              Colleague, I'm in the bath, so I can't comment myself. Could you ask "Lexus" (which, as he wrote, "commanded conscripts during the second Chechen war"), about the following:

              Quote: lexus
              self-proclaimed privatizers of the Great Victory, draping the Mausoleum, changing the red flags to those that, at the end of the Victory Parade on June 24, 1945, were burned at its foot

              1. What are these flags, to "which changed the red", and which "burned at the Mausoleum" (the tricolor did not seem to be burned)
              2. What kind of officer is he if he served in the second Chechen one (under this tricolor), and now the banner is crap on it.

              Thank you
            6. Lexus
              Lexus 17 June 2020 22: 30 New
              +4
              What kind of officer is he

              with similar questions? It is well known that the last to throw onto the platform were the banners of Vlasov’s formations and units. Including described. This is History, not my invention. And I served the motherland, not the tricolor. Dangled too much, I can’t even remember to bear it, if any. I feel very sick when I see that those who shot in the back yesterday were blessed, filled up with subsidies and heroized. I would like to recall that after the Soviet-Polish war in the occupied zone there were many ethnic Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians who served in the Polish army between the wars, which did not prevent them from becoming Heroes of the Great Patriotic War and defending the Soviet Motherland.

              this banner crap

              This is exactly what the collaborators who fought under him against their Fatherland were doing. Their followers do the same today, selling the country, its wealth and coffin the population for the sake of their own belly and "partners". I am not among them.
  • Siberian54
    Siberian54 19 June 2020 19: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: Malyuta
    if in the "fat" zero he could not do anything useful

    Yes ! nothing at all, just paid off EBN's debt to world banks (in my opinion we are the only country that managed to break out of their arms quickly and with satisfactory economic losses)
  • depressant
    depressant 17 June 2020 07: 42 New
    22
    AUL, I agree with you about shifting from a sore head to a healthy one. Dear Author characterized not so much the audience of VO as the resource "Vzglyad". Subjecting to devastating criticism of us, unreasonable, allegedly having no idea who and how governs the country, the Author unwittingly defends the right of those who govern it somehow, masterfully taking a significant part of the national wealth abroad. Crying, but eating a cactus - both the Author and the managers.
    1. Duxan
      Duxan 17 June 2020 20: 29 New
      -3
      Quote: depressant
      Dear Author characterized not so much the audience of VO as the resource "Vzglyad". Subjecting to devastating criticism of us, unreasonable, allegedly having no idea who and how governs the country, the Author unwittingly defends the right of those who govern it somehow, masterfully taking a significant part of the national wealth abroad. Crying, but eating a cactus - both the Author and the managers.

      Well, well ... We remember this in the late 80s and 90s. So it all began and then blood poured on all the expanses of the USSR .. And now they want to repeat this already in Russia and so that with a control shot .. already. Well, dare .. And then do not be offended (when they will put them on the wall) .. Joke!
      1. depressant
        depressant 17 June 2020 23: 06 New
        +4
        Duxan colleague, let me, and I will joke back, although it is unbearably hot, my head is like cast iron, and in my ears it rings ...
        Here I am, a simple laywoman, an unremarkable person from the people, I go and see a cat. "Oh," I say, "look, the cat in the tree!" Professional liberals, creeping after me, having long lost their reputation on Bolotnaya and other active places, at the same time having lost their own, now unfashionable ideas, exchange glances and amicably pick up: "Cat! Cat in the tree! Disgrace! Putin is accountable! How long!" An additional crowd of liberals, who are always on guard for the needs and aspirations of the common people, immediately come running, single pickets are set up everywhere, a promenade rally in the center of Moscow is urgently organized, the National Guard and OMON are pulled together, and through the measured stamping of ankle boots a powerful chant is heard: "Cat! Cat! Putin , go away !! "
        "Oh," I say in confusion, "I just needed to pay attention to the fact that the animal should be removed from the tree."
        For a second, the professionals of the operetta protests fell silent in confusion, but then, having changed their shoes, they began to shout with enthusiasm: "Power, where is your concern for the common people?!? How long will the cat sit in the tree? Putin, if you can't take the cat off, go away! Down with the bloodsucker. -oligarchs! "
        The oligarchs, hearing the slogans, immediately begin to calculate with interest how much can be drawn from the budget for an operation to remove a cat from a tree. And at this moment you appear, Duxan. Moving your gaze from the screaming crowd of liberals to me and back, you see in me an easier target for accusations of a groundless attempt on power and, knocking the democratizer on a leather glove that fits your hand, expressively say so: “Cat, then ... Cat. And whose meat did she eat? Eh? Answer me, liberal! I suppose you go to rallies to Navalny? Of course you go! You share ideas! Here, take at least the idea of ​​a cat. "
        I am silent. Explaining that the idea of ​​removing a cat from a tree is mine is useless. In the eyes of a man playing with a democratizer, I am a shameful, corrupt liberal.
        Good night, dear colleague! )))
  • Svarog
    Svarog 17 June 2020 08: 25 New
    14
    Quote: AUL
    Another pre-election article. Well, very awkward. According to the principle - from a sore head to a healthy one!

    Moreover, such a naive ..
    Moreover, judging by a number of commentators - this is the opinion of people who probably have extensive life experience. But apparently age does not always add wisdom to a person.

    So would the author tell where he sees wisdom? There are many emotions, facts that could persuade the reader to side with the current government. 20 years of a man in power and what are the results? This is what you need to write about, but the worst thing is that against the background of such "successes" the galley slave refuses to leave the oars ... changes the Constitution under him and endlessly lies to the people.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 17 June 2020 08: 33 New
    16
    Quote: AUL
    Another pre-election article. Well, very awkward. According to the principle - from a sore head to a healthy one!

    Wherein. all such articles are certainly present from the author that I’m not like Putin, but then there’s a continuous set of cliches that you don’t have any better than him, you also need to brave Stalin wassat
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 17 June 2020 09: 52 New
      -9
      Stalin, in which he did not live. Otherwise, perhaps, the Generalissimo would not drag in.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 17 June 2020 10: 54 New
        -5
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Stalin, in which he did not live. Otherwise, perhaps, the Generalissimo would not drag in.

        How cool, deep and soooooo you noticed))) Plus you.
  • kjhg
    kjhg 17 June 2020 08: 50 New
    21
    Quote: AUL
    Another pre-election article. Well, very awkward. According to the principle - from a sore head to a healthy one!

    Enemies Around! We need to rally around puten! The only salvation of Russia is to nullify common sense and leave Puten for life!
    Now we will go over some points of the author.
    At the moment, the main irritants for a certain category of always and to all dissatisfied citizens of our state and those who pretend to be them (citizens) are such components of the state as the president of Russia, the government of Russia
    Excuse me, who in our country is responsible for such a terrible socio-economic situation in the country, for finding tens of millions of millions of citizens below the poverty line, for such a cosmic income difference with the same tax burden? Who is responsible for this, the Pope or the president with the government?
    and one of the power structures - Rosguard
    The Russian Guard is the main power structure to suppress the mass protests of citizens against the government and conduct hostilities against it, if the people's standard of living is brought to unbearable conditions and they have to resort to force to change the government, due to the lack of legal mechanisms for this shifts.
    All this suspiciously coincides with the opinion and actions of the leadership of NATO countries, the propaganda of Western NPOs and the general direction of articles in the Western press.
    Yes, yes, yes, around the fifth column and State Department agents. So, probably, according to the author, the State Department pays for such comments laughing. The author, can you tell me where I can take my money?
    As soon as articles appear on various sites with the mention of the aforementioned people involved (and the topic of the articles is not so important), a certain category of commentators flies immediately. These characters are not so many, but they are very active and organized - they write one comment after another, put pluses to their "colleagues", minuses - to all those who dare to have an opposite point of view, while not disdaining to use rudeness, direct insults, escalation of emotions and provocation. They strive by all means to convince everyone that they are the majority (in particular, they use many accounts for this).

    The author very accurately described the principle of work of Prigogine trolls against his people.
    President Putin V.V. made only one major mistake after the March 2018 election
    One? Dozens!
    this is an increase in retirement age. Why did he do this, I don’t know
    How cute. The main thing is that the whole country knows, but the author is not in the know lol. They would have honestly said that even omnipotent propaganda could not come up with a more or less plausible explanation for this pension robbery, and you would not want to present in their article those ridiculous arguments, such as the fact that an increase in the term of retirement will lead to an increase in life expectancy. Moreover, we all see that their main argument, about the sharp increase in pensions, turned out to be a lie to the authorities.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 17 June 2020 17: 42 New
      +7
      Quote: kjhg
      We need to rally around puten!

      I agree! But what to do with his environment, friends and associates?

      Is it to be with them?

      Quote: kjhg
      and who in our country is responsible for such a terrible socio-economic situation in the country, for finding tens of millions of millions of citizens below the poverty line, for such a cosmic income difference with the same tax burden?

      laughing Of course
      Quote: kjhg
      .... the pope ...

      it's ...

      he did not speak and promised
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 17 June 2020 18: 05 New
        +2
        The word is right, I thought it was clear to everyone that this:
        Enemies Around! We need to rally around puten! The only salvation of Russia is to nullify common sense and leave Puten for life!
        what I wrote is SARCASM! And here you are request
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 17 June 2020 19: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: kjhg
          what I wrote is SARCASM!

          it was clear, I wanted to continue
          Quote: kjhg
          And here you are

          After all, it is useful to bring an idea, not yours, to an absurdity. Then the opponent has nothing to say hi
  • alecsis69
    alecsis69 18 June 2020 15: 52 New
    0
    Sorry, who’s a healthy head?
  • tatra
    tatra 17 June 2020 05: 40 New
    +2
    You are, according to the classical mentality of the enemies of the USSR, blame what some people did on others. People like you have blamed the Soviet Communists for doing the benefactors of the enemies of the Communists Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin. Blamed Zyuganov for the fact that Yeltsin and the liberals and oligarchs would NEVER give Russia to the Communists and their supporters.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 17 June 2020 06: 11 New
      10
      Quote: tatra
      Blamed Zyuganov for the fact that Yeltsin and the liberals and oligarchs NEVER gave would Russia to the Communists and their supporters.

      This "would" shows all your insolvency. You, I mean the supporters of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, assumed that they would not give up power, and refused to fight. Is this the way a party fighting for power should behave? Where is the rise of all your supporters to defend the election results? In 1917, Lenin had several orders of magnitude fewer supporters, and they did not shy away. Therefore, today the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is an imitation of opposition activities, nothing more. Put a terry bourgeois on your own as a presidential candidate !!! The Marxist communists felt no greater shame. I think the point here is not only the cowardice of the leadership of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, but also that the party was not sure of popular support for its ideas and, in general, the movement.
      1. tatra
        tatra 17 June 2020 06: 16 New
        -1
        Would you like Zyuganov’s supporters to start an armed uprising in 1996, and Yeltsin and the liberals and oligarchs to kill them, just as they did to supporters of the Supreme Council, just passers-by, including children, in October 1993?
        1. Pessimist22
          Pessimist22 17 June 2020 06: 20 New
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          But how then did the communists seize power in 17?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 17 June 2020 07: 34 New
            -3
            Quote: Pessimist22
            But how then did the communists seize power in 17?

            During the capture of Zimny, several drunken sailors perished. Power passed to the Bolsheviks. Then the White Guards unleashed a civil war.
            1. Avior
              Avior 17 June 2020 08: 45 New
              +3
              . Power passed to the Bolsheviks.

              And how did you determine that the power passed to the Bolsheviks?
              Winter captured?
        2. Hagen
          Hagen 17 June 2020 06: 44 New
          -6
          Quote: tatra
          Would you like Zyuganov’s supporters to stage an armed uprising in 1996?

          And this is how the card would have formed .... Since when did the blood of real politicians stop? The power struggle in white gloves is not won. And if it’s scary, then there’s nothing to fight and climb.
        3. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 17 June 2020 06: 48 New
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          It seems that it hasn’t reached you yet, but I’ll share it. Yeltsin and Zyuganov are players from the same field.
          Someone just had to lead the Communists, to lead from their own. So that all active actions are suppressed from above. To prevent the restoration of the USSR.
          1. Ragnar Lodbrok
            Ragnar Lodbrok 17 June 2020 07: 11 New
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            Quote: Herman 4223
            Yeltsin and Zyuganov are players from the same field.

            Exactly! That's why they are equivalent for me as traitors to the interests of the Russian people.
        4. Stas157
          Stas157 17 June 2020 07: 22 New
          10
          Quote: tatra
          Would you like supporters of Zyuganov in 1996 would have organized an armed uprising and Yeltsin and the liberals and oligarchs would begin to kill them, how did they kill supporters of the Supreme Council, just passers-by, including children, in October 1993?

          Yes, it is precisely in this that Zyuganov is confused and blamed, oddly enough. They themselves are terribly afraid of the civil war, but they accuse Zyuganov of not having unleashed it! The same thing as being against the liberals, but idolizing our main liberal.

          The article is a cry from the heart of a wounded confused man and a supporter of EdR. He accuses those who are dissatisfied with the authorities of "slop". He himself, at the same time, indiscriminately accuses everyone who is not satisfied with the current chaos in all grave problems.

          Manuals, the State Department, the daughters of the officers, several accounts ... Well, if you know the information about the ownership of several accounts, pass it to the admins of VO. Let the offender be banned according to the rules.
          It can be solved very simply, if it is, of course, not unfounded accusations (like everything else in this article).
        5. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 17 June 2020 08: 46 New
          -12
          When was the communist blood scared?
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 17 June 2020 11: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            When was the communist blood scared?

            Well, yes ... EBN did not scare ...
        6. Hagen
          Hagen 17 June 2020 18: 05 New
          -1
          Quote: tatra
          You would like supporters of Zyuganov in 1996 to organize an armed uprising, and Yeltsin with the liberals and oligarchs would kill them

          It doesn’t matter what you want or do not want. It is important that Zyuganov scared and betrayed his voters.
      2. Romey
        Romey 17 June 2020 07: 51 New
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        Communicating with the leftists, I came to the conclusion that they do not build any special illusions about the top of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and indeed "systemic" ones. The trick was that in the last elections Grudinin was positioned not as a purely leftist, but as a compromise candidate who suited all spectra of the patriotic opposition from the point of view of ideologies. And the "loss" in these "elections" was due not to the fact that Grudinin did not drown for the world revolution, but to the fact that we do not have politics as such at all. It was replaced by a department in the Presidential Administration and nothing more ... Well, okay, I would like to talk about the shame of the Marxists ... If Grudinin is a shame for them, then who is the Marxist who drowns for the rotten, mired in corruption, oligarchic-comprador system in the person President Putin? As a non-Marxist, it would be very curious to know this ...
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 17 June 2020 08: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: tatra
      Blamed Zyuganov for the blame

      Communist ideology is dying ... what did Zyuganov do for its development? is he its carrier? and are there any carriers in his team?
  • Finches
    Finches 17 June 2020 06: 30 New
    +4
    To the question of a prominent figure in the Provisional Government I. G. Tsereteli at the Congress of Soviets: can any of the delegates name a party that would risk taking power and taking responsibility for everything that happens in Russia, grandfather Lenin gave an unequivocal answer - "There is such a party!" Today, there are no parties on the right or on the left to take responsibility for Russia for real ... Gorlopans, clowns and inadequacies of all kinds - there are, but there are no serious people! Therefore, GDP has no competitors in the political arena!
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 17 June 2020 07: 20 New
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      the most interesting thing is that we as such do not have a political arena ... dismantled and cleaned at the root for some 20 years ...
      on weedy ground, except weed, grow nothing ... therefore, instead of political, we have a circus ... with lure and obedient ...
      as they say ... one in the sandbox and no one to play with ...
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 17 June 2020 07: 27 New
      -14
      Quote: Finches
      There are all kinds of throats, clowns and inadequate people, but there are no serious people!

      Just like about the local commentators.
      The author of the article spoke more diplomatically.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 17 June 2020 08: 30 New
      10
      Quote: Finches
      Therefore, the GDP has no competitors in the political arena!

      And not for that, we quickly eliminate competitors. We have no alternative political life. There is no competition, that’s what they want to do.
      1. codetalker
        codetalker 17 June 2020 10: 24 New
        0
        Could you give an example of such a solution.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 17 June 2020 11: 44 New
          -1
          Quote: codetalker
          Could you give an example of such a solution.

          Grudinin, Platoshkin, Udaltsov, Bulk ... enough?
          1. codetalker
            codetalker 17 June 2020 13: 33 New
            +1
            Grudinin participated in the elections and his result is known. Bulk, Udaltsov - examples are clearly unsuccessful. Someone considers them as a possible head of state? Do you want to let Russia go under “this”? As for Platoshkin, a person is known to a narrow circle of people who has no significant managerial experience.
            So, you can give an example of how to eliminate a person who really could be seriously considered as the head of state?
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 17 June 2020 13: 50 New
              -1
              Quote: codetalker
              So, you can give an example of how to eliminate a person who really could be seriously considered as the head of state?

              Any of the above can apply for the post of head of state. Justify, what for you these examples are obviously not successful and what are successful?
              And the fact that they put sticks in wheels for all these people, they institute criminal proceedings, and some are planted is an obvious fact. And edification to those who would like to be politically active.
              So Putin cleans out everyone, and moreover, what is called "on the rise" from that and we have no political competition, from that and chaos, corruption, nepotism and other "breakthroughs"
              As for your perception, who can manage the state .. so it is only yours .. Putin used to carry a dog’s portfolio too ..
              1. codetalker
                codetalker 17 June 2020 13: 55 New
                0
                No one except Grudinin (who tried his luck in the elections) can even be considered for such a position. Reasons: lack of managerial experience; immorality; hatred of Russia and the Russian people.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 17 June 2020 13: 58 New
                  +6
                  Quote: codetalker
                  Reasons: lack of managerial experience; immorality; hatred of Russia and the Russian people.

                  Look at the demographics it is the Russian people that are dying out under the current regime, so the big question is who has this hatred .. by business you will know him .. pay less attention to beautiful words of attention look at the result.
                  And about Grudinin ... he didn’t feel any luck .. the whole administrative apparatus worked against him, he had few chances to win in a dishonest fight .. Among my acquaintances and acquaintances, almost everyone voted for him, but Putin won ..
                  1. codetalker
                    codetalker 17 June 2020 14: 01 New
                    +2
                    And what matters does Navalny and Udaltsov need to pay attention to? When I spoke about the Russian people, I had in mind the multinational Russian people.
                    1. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 17 June 2020 15: 37 New
                      +2
                      And what matters are Navalny and Udaltsov
                      Perhaps that is why the authorities do not want to put Navalny. A win-win option, oh you are against Putin, then for Navalny.
                      Putin’s affairs are known for the demolition of factories, the importation of Gaster, the reduction of schools and hospitals. the destruction of Russian culture. Do you personally congratulate your friends on their birthday or hepbёzdite?
                    2. codetalker
                      codetalker 17 June 2020 16: 39 New
                      +2
                      There is no single abstract power. Some part of the government wants to plant, another does not want to.
                      And about Putin’s affairs that you have listed, this, of course, is self-deception. I’ve observed in the 90s the massive destruction of industry and agriculture, the degradation of the armed forces. Salaries have not been paid for years, what is the majority of old people forgot about pensions. One got the feeling that Russian culture would soon be forgotten (by the way, it was very fashionable to have a hebibility). All social phenomena have inertia. And for a long time we will feel the consequences of those events. But with the beginning of the new century, wagering of all this began, primarily in the most strategic directions. It is foolish to deny it. Well now, most people do not have a question about physical survival.
                      Your position is clear, it is very emotional. This reluctance to understand the real state of affairs and the removal of anger in a public person, with which this same abstract power is associated. In fact, the specific surname is not important here. This is a stay in a blissful illusion. It may be morally easier to live, but being in illusion cannot lead to anything good. Both society as a whole and specific people who are in this illusion.
                    3. cniza
                      cniza 17 June 2020 17: 28 New
                      +1
                      Your position is clear, it is very emotional.


                      There is no position, they are simply against Putin and that’s all, and who in the opposition is all good - a communist, fascist or anarchist for them does not matter.
                    4. codetalker
                      codetalker 17 June 2020 17: 50 New
                      +4
                      This, of course, is very regrettable.
                      Recently, the “bulkers” posted photographs of the Nazis in the immortal regiment. It quickly became clear who it was. The contents of their social networks hit the media. There, of course, all this anti-Putin theme. One and the same words, as the comments of many visitors to VO. I then thought, do people really not see with whom they "solidified" ...
                    5. cniza
                      cniza 17 June 2020 17: 54 New
                      +3
                      Recently, the “bulkers” posted photographs of the Nazis in the immortal regiment.


                      And they support him, because he is against Putin, they are fixated on him and do not want to see what is going on under their nose.
                2. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 17 June 2020 18: 46 New
                  0
                  observed in the 90s
                  Maybe this imaginary naivety is enough. 90s is a transition. Because it was hard that the Soviet people were not used to it. There would be no 90s there was no Putin. Putin is a consequence of the 90s.
                  GKChPepisty were afraid to shoot at their people. And the people were already on the drum for Yeltsin, shot and did not sneeze. And everyone is still talking about the Soviet dictatorship. If Yeltsin had been knocked down then there would have been no Putin. In general, I am amazed at the lovers of Putin, they are with Yeltsin, like twins.
                3. codetalker
                  codetalker 17 June 2020 18: 57 New
                  0
                  Ahaha. They are with Yeltsin as negative and positive. The 90s was a transition, Russia's transition to the next world. The fact that Russia survived is the result of the activities of our people, which refused to die. And that is why Putin appeared. And so our life is now fundamentally different from life in the 90s. But life is such a thing, you can return to those "happy" years. I don’t know, maybe you liked it ... I had enough then.
                4. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 17 June 2020 19: 30 New
                  -1
                  I don’t know, maybe you liked it ... I had enough then.
                  there are two options. Either the person has an old training manual, or the TV burned out the brain
                5. codetalker
                  codetalker 17 June 2020 20: 16 New
                  +1
                  Is this your way to get away from reality?) Write off everything to a training manual or TV)
  • Overlock
    Overlock 17 June 2020 17: 50 New
    +4
    Quote: codetalker
    Reasons: lack of managerial experience; immorality; hatred of Russia and the Russian people.

    and which of the current politicians does not have these reasons?
    After all, the result of government is a new crisis knocking on the window! As they were dependent on oil and gas prices 20 years ago, they remained. And further, to a greater extent
    1. codetalker
      codetalker 17 June 2020 18: 08 New
      -2
      20 years ago, most people decided the question: how to survive until the end of the week / month / year. Where and by what means will a child buy food to replace breastfeeding? How not to be on the street in winter? These are the questions people occupied.
      Now this situation is not even close. They are discussing what kind of car to buy, take a loan or save, where to go on vacation: to Turkey or to Thailand? Etc.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 17 June 2020 19: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: codetalker
        Now this situation is not even close. They are discussing what kind of car to buy, take a loan or save, where to go on vacation: to Turkey or to Thailand? Etc.

        you refute the leaders themselves! Do you understand this? Golikov, Golodets, etc. What is the debt load of the population? How many million live below the standard of living?
        Life was a success, but not everyone.
      2. codetalker
        codetalker 17 June 2020 20: 14 New
        +1
        I do not refute anyone. There is a slight difference between creditworthiness and the prospect of starvation by the end of the month.
        Here you are again demonstrating this approach of abstract "tops and bosses." Well, this does not correspond to objective reality. Golikova and Golodets are ideologically close, but still represent different management projects.
        How do you imagine that? Are “leaders” sitting and all have the same goals, skills, resource opportunities, moral principles, ideological basis? What an idyll!
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 17 June 2020 17: 29 New
    -2
    Grudinin Platoshkin Udaltsov Navalny is political weaknesses and besides a bunch of morons in their right mind nobody will choose.
    1. codetalker
      codetalker 17 June 2020 18: 03 New
      0
      Thank God! I really thought no one would say that. How can these people be considered in any important state directions ...
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 17 June 2020 20: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Finches
    Therefore, the GDP has no competitors in the political arena!

    And not for that, we quickly eliminate competitors. We have no alternative political life. There is no competition, that’s what they want to do.

    Quote: codetalker
    Could you give an example of such a solution.

    Quote: Svarog
    Udaltsov, Bulk... enough?

    No. These grant-eaters and graduates of Yale University in the USA, without knowledge of the English language, but with foreign currency accounts abroad, in your opinion also ... a political alternative to Russia? request
    These alternative "illegitimate children" of Yeltsin will surrender Russia faster than you finish your morning coffee for breakfast, Svarog. yes
  • Boris55
    Boris55 17 June 2020 08: 50 New
    -8
    Quote: Finches
    Therefore, the GDP has no competitors in the political arena!

    And not only in our arena, but throughout the world. Many countries want to have him as president. It’s not Putin’s fault that the liberals are swimming small.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 17 June 2020 23: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: Boris55
      Quote: Finches
      Therefore, the GDP has no competitors in the political arena!

      And not only in our arena, but throughout the world. Many countries want to have him as president. It’s not Putin’s fault that the liberals are swimming small.

      Here is the question winked And why is all the "civilized" Western countries shouting at one gulp that we, in Russia, would elect anyone, but not Putin?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 18 June 2020 08: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: Terenin
        Why is it that all the "civilized" Western countries are shouting at one gulp that we, in Russia, would elect anyone, but not Putin?

        They envy, and they want us to have worse than theirs. bully
  • Civil
    Civil 17 June 2020 07: 29 New
    +9
    Nde ... the times have come for the propagandists, since such frankly weak material is being issued ... the budget has been cut and the field for maneuver has been reduced. In general, you are an author, dear person, I did not say anything about pension reform) and you are to blame for all economic failures today for some reason Zyuganov in 1996) and wrote down all those who are dissatisfied in column 5 ... having automatically deleted them from the state ... )
  • zenion
    zenion 17 June 2020 14: 08 New
    -3
    The new Russia was perfectly arranged for the imperial, imperial coat of arms, but they want a Soviet victory. Since the emblem is royal, then only royal victories, Crimea and Japan should be celebrated. The Soviets did not use or celebrate royal victories. Nefig use the fact that this Russia does not belong under any sauce. Only personal victories are the capture of Syria. Although the Syrian Reichstag has not yet been captured, it’s ahead.
  • beeper
    beeper 20 June 2020 00: 43 New
    +2
    hi Alas, in our Ukraine, exactly the same soft and fearful bourgeois sybarite - "communist" was - Petrukha Symonenko, too, in 1999, really won the presidential elections against the liberal Russophobe Kuchman - all working people were given him (and his "communists" ) high confidence!
    But this "communing" barchuk-nouveau riche, like your combiner Zyu in 1996, feared for the bourgeois "cookies" continued his booth of "fooling the masses" Communist Party "...
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 17 June 2020 05: 27 New
    10
    A very strange way of vote counting is described by some commentators. They claim that after the presidential election in Russia in March 2018, they interviewed their relatives and friends, as well as all their colleagues at work, residents of their apartment building.


    Really. Very weird way. Really, no one in the world does this. Exit floor? This is an obscene word and it is necessary to write an eternal ban for it. Everyone always votes for Putin. Even women and children.
    The author, what can I say ... powerfully ... licked.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 17 June 2020 05: 58 New
      -10
      Do you even know what real exit polls are?))) Actually, this is one of the most accurate polls. People are questioned at the exits from the sites and the discrepancy with the official results is scanty. As for how they vote, a lot for Putin. Among my friends for sure. I personally abstain from the election. I stupidly do not want to do this)
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 17 June 2020 11: 27 New
        -4
        Quote: carstorm 11
        As for how they vote, a lot for Putin.

        Go to the website of Military.org and look at the right side of the survey results. There, expressing their opinion, visitors do not risk anything and therefore the veracity is close to 100%
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 17 June 2020 11: 59 New
          +6
          What for? I spoke about my surroundings in the first place and I do not urge anyone to repeat after them. And secondly, sites will never be true because the counters obey their creators. Especially placed on foreign sites.
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 18 June 2020 10: 40 New
            0
            Quote: carstorm 11
            And secondly, sites will never be true because the counters obey their creators.

            Does your counter (among my friends) mean true?
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  • codetalker
    codetalker 17 June 2020 05: 39 New
    -15
    Of course, one cannot agree with all the provisions of the article, but, in general, it will now be useful.
    It is no secret that attempts to form an information basis for striking Russia are carried out with different ideological “stuffing”, including “patriotic”. But it’s very disappointing to see how people are buying it, for whom the fate of their country is really not indifferent. We have to admit that there are a lot of such authors and commentators on this resource.
    1. mark1
      mark1 17 June 2020 06: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: codetalker
      it’s very disappointing to see how people buy it,

      Yes h.z. one "bought", is taken straight from such a livestock.
    2. AA17
      AA17 17 June 2020 09: 49 New
      10
      Dear codetalker. "... how people buy to this, who really care about the fate of their country." - Your phrase.
      Why do you think people are bought? Are they so naive? People gradually become REALISTS. Many citizens in Russia are already tired of listening to promises that no one was going to keep. Examples: "... Therefore, under no circumstances do I intend to change the Constitution" (2005), "... I am against increasing the retirement age. And while I am president, such a decision will not be made" (2005)., "... this is the creation of about 25 million new jobs, its implementation is already on the march ... "(2013). The author of these promises can be easily found. These promises exist and cannot be destroyed. The people have always disrespected people who do not keep their word. "The word is not a sparrow ...", "He called himself a load ...", "When you give your word, hold on ...", "A man said, a man did", etc.
      And the REALITY in modern Russia is as follows: so far we see only an increase in the well-being of individual people in Russia. "... In Russia, 246 thousand dollar millionaires were counted at the end of 2019. Moreover, in 2010 there were only 14 thousand, that is, their number in the country increased 17 times over the past decade ...". "Despite the unfolding economic crisis, the number of Russian billionaires on the list again exceeded 100 people. .... Despite the fall in oil prices and the weakening of the Russian currency, the number of Russians increased this year - 102 people against 100 in 2019."
      Here it is the REALITY of the surrounding world. And it is it that affects the consciousness of Russian citizens, and not some of your mythical "attempts to form an information basis for striking Russia."
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 June 2020 17: 33 New
        -1
        And you know you can become a millionaire even from falling oil prices and all that is listed on the world stock exchange.
    3. zenion
      zenion 17 June 2020 14: 16 New
      +2
      The big trouble is that people do not look back at the story that was. But it was like that. In France in 1870 there was a revolution that did not broadcast anything good to the bourgeoisie. What did the bourgeois do? Declared war on Germany and surrendered to the Germans. The Germans destroyed the revolution and killed a lot of French, not bourgeois, but hard workers. So those closer to Russia are those who want a different government, or those who are of the same blood as the bourgeois of Russia. They intimidate the people of Russia that if you do so, there will be a war, they will find a reason. Read the story. It has never been before that one power, having the people, as slaves gave them the reins of government. Their slogan is - if not us, then no one!
      1. codetalker
        codetalker 17 June 2020 14: 24 New
        +1
        You, unfortunately, are mistaken that there is some kind of abstract monolithic power, “tops” and so on. With such an approach, the study of history cannot produce any useful result.
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 17 June 2020 05: 42 New
    19
    Power and the state are essentially synonyms. Because the state is this and there is power. Which state is such and power. In fact, everything determines the distribution of labor results. And this order directly depends on the ownership of the means of production. And of course, the deciding factor here is the ownership of large industrial enterprises. Those to whom they belong and there is unlimited power in the country, i.e. they are the basis, the foundation of the state.
    In modern Russia it is a large financial and industrial bourgeoisie. Therefore, her interests are primarily protected. I can also observe the interests of workers, but only to the extent that they coincide with the interests of the real owners of power.
    Vladimir Ulyanov aka Lenin gave a lecture on this a little over a hundred years ago at the University of Sverdlovsk.

    http://libelli.ru/works/39-1.htm
  • savage1976
    savage1976 17 June 2020 05: 47 New
    -10
    Thanks Dmitry. I am glad that there are still authors reflecting calmly and sensibly and wisely. I agree with your thoughts 100%.
  • tatra
    tatra 17 June 2020 05: 48 New
    19
    In general, once again "there is no need to rock the boat, otherwise it will be worse." This is the kind of State that the enemies of the communists built in accordance with what they were capable of. Don't give a damn about degradation, impoverishment of Russia, impoverishment, extinction of the Russian people, the main thing is "stability" so as not to change anything.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 17 June 2020 06: 03 New
      -10
      Because it’s always worse.
      Maybe in 20 years it will get better, but we live here and now. And the second nineties or worse is not an option at all! So yes, don’t rock the boat. Evolutionary-always please.
      1. tatra
        tatra 17 June 2020 06: 12 New
        18
        WHEN always? In the history of the Russian State and the USSR there have been many upheavals, one revolution, and one counter-revolution. After the coups, nothing changed. After the October Revolution, it became better for the country and the majority of the people, after the counter-revolution in anti-Soviet Perestroika it became worse for the country and the majority of the people. And this is a minority of the people who imposed their power, the System, the economy on Russia and its people, under which they were raped big and huge - compared to the people, salaries and incomes, and does not want to change anything, because they understand what is right for them will be worse . I am guilty of both the enemies of the Communists in power and for power, and portraying the opposition of power.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 17 June 2020 06: 20 New
          +3
          In addition, one can recall bloodless revolutions. In the same Georgia (and the inhabitants began to live much better) or in Czechoslovakia - they split up, but remained good neighbors and partners.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 17 June 2020 08: 47 New
            +4
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            In the same Georgia (and the inhabitants began to live much better) or in Czechoslovakia - they divided, but remained good neighbors, partners.

            Sorry, who in Georgia divided bloodlessly and began to live better ?!
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 17 June 2020 11: 08 New
              -2
              In Georgia, they did not split up, but removed the incompetent president. And they began to live in comparison with those years much better - google.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 17 June 2020 11: 45 New
                +1
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                In Georgia, they did not split up, but removed the incompetent president. And they began to live in comparison with those years much better - google.

                And in Armenia .. and in Paris)) after the yellow protests of the "yellow vests" the government made concessions ..
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 17 June 2020 17: 36 New
                  0
                  And they got a little more sense from this than nichrome.
          2. BecmepH
            BecmepH 17 June 2020 11: 38 New
            0
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            In addition, one can recall bloodless revolutions. In the same Georgia (and residents began to live much better)

            Doubtful statement ... Yu. Ossetia, Abkhazia does not count?
        2. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 17 June 2020 06: 34 New
          +5
          “The state is a product and a manifestation of the intransigence of class contradictions. The state arises there, then and to the extent where, when and since class contradictions cannot objectively be reconciled. And vice versa: the existence of the state proves that class contradictions are irreconcilable "VI Lenin State and revolution // Lenin V.I., Complete Works, fifth edition, vol. 33. hi
        3. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 17 June 2020 06: 34 New
          -7
          For people living, then that time got better? Is civil war better ?!
          1. tatra
            tatra 17 June 2020 06: 55 New
            11
            You, in the cowardly manner of the enemies of the Bolshevik Communists, do not drag into what you did, to what the Bolshevik Communists did. And the October Revolution was one of the most bloodless revolutions in world history. But after it, you, the external and internal enemies of the Bolsheviks, unleashed the Civil War with the goal of capturing Russia by you. And by the example of your capture of the USSR, it is clear what would happen to Russia and its people if you had won the Civil War.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 17 June 2020 07: 46 New
              -10
              Well, of course. It is not at all a consequence of the revolution. It itself arose. From damp. And watch your tongue already. A cowardly manner is to be rude to people all in a row with whom you do not want to agree. Who allowed you to talk to people like that?
            2. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 17 June 2020 08: 25 New
              -1
              By their actions, the Bolsheviks did everything to unleash the civilian.
        4. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 17 June 2020 06: 39 New
          13
          "What is the difference between the Soviet state apparatus and the apparatus
          bourgeois state?
          First of all, the fact that the bourgeois state apparatus stands above
          by the masses, in view of which it is separated from the population by an impassable barrier and, according to
          to its very spirit, alien to the masses of the people. Meanwhile, as the Soviet
          the state apparatus merges with the masses, for it cannot and should not
          stand above the masses if he wants to save himself just like the Soviet
          the state apparatus, for it cannot be alien to these masses if it
          really wants to embrace the millions of working people. This is one of
          fundamental differences of the Soviet state apparatus from the apparatus
          bourgeois state. "(And In Stalin" Questions and Answers "vol. 7, p. 160.)
          The answer is simple: the petty-bourgeois element swept the party and the state apparatus
          1. Introduced themselves into power and the party. Drew their
          2. Break away from the masses and become alien to the masses
          3. Conceived and implemented the creeping counter-revolution with a change in the social system and form of ownership
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 17 June 2020 17: 41 New
            0
            But in reality it was the same thing - everyone at the top had and have privileges unattainable for ordinary workers.
        5. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 17 June 2020 07: 00 New
          -1
          After the revolution, there was first a civil war with rivers of blood, and the loss of territory. Then devastation and hunger. And only then, when almost twenty years passed after the revolution, it became better than it was.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 17 June 2020 07: 20 New
            +9
            If this is a civil war, what did the Americans do with the Australians, the French, the Germans, the Japanese in Russia? Forgive the gentlemen of the invaders whom I remembered.
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 17 June 2020 07: 41 New
              +4
              Yes, this is also a fact, the civil war began with the uprising of the Czechoslovak corps, which was subordinate to the French command and had to leave the territory of Russia through Vladivostok. But for some reason, the highway captured the cities in Siberia. There was an intervention, but it would not have the strength if it had not found support among the discontented here revolution.
              It was a jolt, and then it started.
            2. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 17 June 2020 08: 26 New
              +5
              Nothing new. Parasites fall on a weakened body.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 17 June 2020 06: 42 New
    +8
    At all times, normal people wanted to live better, to have such power and a state that would protect the interests of most of society.
    Dreams, dreams ... an unattainable ideal request
    The question arises, what exactly did a simple Soviet person know about power in the USSR? Virtually nothing but a large number of its external attributes
    Ka and everywhere, as always .... recourse
    Striving for the best, fighting for our rights and against corruption is certainly good, but you can destroy your country in the course of all these transformations.
    A very controversial issue, because it can be done in different ways. sad
    You feel some dissonance when you hear from fans of the Communist Party that their candidate, if elected to the post of president of the Russian Federation, will restore social justice in particular and the Soviet Union as a whole.
    The present will restore! Just do not understand WHAT ??? fool
    Sometimes in the comments such moments slip over the current president of Russia - “he has a cowardly and running gaze”, “frightened of his people, hid in a bunker”, “insecurity and panic mood”, etc. In this case, it is simply the desire of those who write these pearls to give their desires for reality.
    These, the present, seized the power of FAST and ....
    What to do? But you must always think before doing something and saying ... and we have strained it, because many have forgotten how to live independently, with their own mind and common sense.
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 17 June 2020 06: 45 New
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    Dear author !!!! If you are trying to write an article for the MODEST defense of our government, at least follow the classic "60 by 40" scheme, then at least it will be possible to take what you, dear, wrote about, not as "raw propaganda", but material that can make you think and lean towards that it is necessary to vote for amendments to the Constitution ... In the meantime, it seems that you yourself are not convinced of what you wrote about.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 17 June 2020 07: 53 New
      -4
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      material that can make you think and incline to vote for amendments to the Constitution ...

      In order to radically change the Constitution, Ch. 1,2, 9 and XNUMX, we need a "Law on the Constitutional Assembly" (only it has the right to change these chapters), which the Duma, formed according to the current Constitution, tried to adopt four times, but never adopted. Putin, with his amendments, radically changes the composition of the future Duma, which will be able to rewrite the entire Constitution.

      Your disbelief in Putin is based on a lack of understanding of his actions and what goals they pursue. You want everything at once. This does not happen.
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 17 June 2020 08: 00 New
        +5
        the goal is one ... power, power, and again power ...
        I'm tired, I'm leaving - it's not about him ... we won’t wait ...
      2. Revival
        Revival 17 June 2020 10: 36 New
        0
        Correctly! 1000 years long, wait ..
        So win
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 17 June 2020 12: 21 New
        +6
        Quote: Boris55
        Your disbelief in Putin is based on a lack of understanding of his actions

        What is not clear with his support for pension reform? Or in the complete rehabilitation of Vasilyeva?
        On the contrary, they began to understand what kind of person
        Quote: Boris55
        You want everything at once. This does not happen.

        Why! All Putin’s friends overnight became billionaires, heroes! After all, it turned out! Everything at once!
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 17 June 2020 21: 17 New
          0
          Comrade Sylvester, I also tried earlier to discuss with the SHEETS, only then, after looking at how they were "pumped up", I was convinced that it was counterproductive. There is a contingent with special features, in the overwhelming majority. You will understand me. In addition, with their slogans, they finally killed "faith" in my acquaintances, who were previously fans of the PZh. They just bored them! They did what I could not achieve with good reason ... Drowning for the power, they did it a disservice.
  • MBRSS
    MBRSS 17 June 2020 07: 03 New
    12
    Elections in 1996, second round (rounded):
    Yeltsin - 54%
    Zyuganov - 40%

    In the first round:
    Yeltsin - 35%
    Zyuganov - 32%
    Swan - 15%
    Yavlinsky - 7%
    Zhirinovsky - 6%
    Fedorov - 1%
    How does it follow from these data that Zyuganov won if it is known that Lebed and Zhirinovsky were called upon to vote for Yeltsin in the second round? Yes, they say that Yeltsin was "painted on" interest, but was it possible then to prove it? Formally, Yeltsin won. It is noteworthy that the "truth about the elections merged by Zyuganov" was disseminated only later by persons from Yeltsin's entourage. Should you believe them? Deceived once - deceived also the second.
    1. Vitaly Tsymbal
      Vitaly Tsymbal 17 June 2020 08: 03 New
      10
      Remember that time, I do not know your age, but if you were a participant or witness of those elections, you must remember. Zyu won in the first round (this is confirmed by the statements of both people from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and those from the EBN's entourage), but in the interval between the 1st and 2nd rounds, Zyu was so pressured that he simply refused to fight for the presidency ... and his communist ( USSR) beliefs. And a little "later" he turned into a pocket-sized eternal oppositionist (like Zhirik), bargaining for warm spots in the minds of the authorities ... Zyu himself refused to fight in the second round. In 1996, as an official, I was attracted to work in the Stavropol regional headquarters of the EBN, in the analytical department, before the first round in the region, almost all heads of districts and cities were against the EBN, conducted propaganda against the EBN, although they were considered his supporters. At the headquarters, no one dared to report such a situation to the top, so they "allowed" me to do it, and I got straight to Chernomyrdin (he headed the EBN headquarters). Chernomyrdin listened to me and said only one sentence: "Thank you, we have such a situation everywhere." But let me remind you that it was before the first round, before the second round, the "Yeltsinists" changed their tactics and stupidly began to "buy" both authoritative politicians and officials, and authoritative bandits.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 17 June 2020 08: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
        Remember that time, I don’t know your age, but if you were a participant or witness of those elections, you must remember. Sue won the first round (This is confirmed by the statements of both people from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and from the environment of the EBN), but in the interval between rounds 1 and 2, Zyu was so pressured that he simply refused to fight for the presidency .... and his communist (USSR) convictions.

        I do not remember. Bring proofs! I then voted for Zyuganov. The fact that Zyuganov, they say, won the election, learned this only a few years later. Therefore, it is not clear to me why Zyuganov was obliged to unleash a civil war (according to the Zaputinists), if the official results of the announced elections spoke in favor of Yeltsin? What did Zyuganov have to do like Yushchenko?
        1. Vitaly Tsymbal
          Vitaly Tsymbal 17 June 2020 08: 53 New
          +9
          I clearly, it seems to me, told you how and what happened and what I personally witnessed. I can tell you how practically and at what level the "ballot stuffing for EBN" was made, this is no longer a secret and is no longer interesting. The Russian Federation was on the brink of a Civil War, and if the EBN had not been removed, there would have been a "military coup" and it is unlikely that we would have seen an unknown Putin in the presidents, although Zyu and Zhirik, at the time of Putin's "arrival" were already being sold to anyone and the roles were big they did not play in changing the power, as they do not play now.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 17 June 2020 09: 06 New
            +2
            Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
            I clearly told you how and what happened and what I personally witnessed.

            Thank you for your testimonies. hi But how was the whole country supposed to find out? The country then knew only the results of official elections. And they were not at all in favor of Zyuganov. Therefore, blaming Zyuganov for not starting a civil war on this basis is very strange. (I'm not blaming you.)
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 17 June 2020 08: 53 New
        +8
        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
        In the interval between the 1st and 2nd rounds, Sue was so pressured that he simply abandoned the struggle for the presidency .... and his communist (USSR) convictions. And a little "later" he turned into a pocket eternal oppositionist (like Zhirik), bargaining for warm spots in the minds of the authorities ...
        He would refuse if he withdrew in the second round. And then, later, in the 99th Communist Party of the Russian Federation, it tried to impeach Yeltsin, who was just the Liberal Democratic Party, like pocket oppositionists.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 17 June 2020 09: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
        Zyu won in the first round (this is confirmed by the statements of both people from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and from the EBN circle), but in the interval between the 1st and 2nd rounds, Zyu was so pressured that he simply refused to fight for the presidency.

        Because he was a "tiger sitting in a handbag," as small and short as those communists sitting in the Politburo and in the Central Committee and who betrayed and destroyed the country. He is also one of them, they could no longer create, they could and can only consume. And it's time to forget about them. The time is up "I'm going into battle, consider me a communist."
      4. MBRSS
        MBRSS 17 June 2020 21: 13 New
        +2
        I'm 55, I remember those elections very well. Personally, my family and I voted for Zyuganov, many of my friends voted for Yeltsin (they were afraid that the Communists would cover private enterprise, fools).
        I learned that Zyuganov allegedly "leaked" his victory only on the Internet many years later. The sources of such revelation do not inspire confidence in me. Most of the witnesses of those events "from the inside" just agree that Zyuganov lost precisely because of the votes of Lebed, Zhirik, Yavlinsky. Leaflets for the communists were distributed until the second round. Why should Zyuganov refuse if the chances of winning were high and the stakes were high? Fake it all. Zyuganov then still "lit", not like now.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 17 June 2020 07: 17 New
    19
    The author expressed resentment against the authorities.
    What are your tips and suggestions? Stop praying for oil, build your production of everything. Stop partnering with the West. Russia is a big country, if you want to go to Switzerland, build Switzerland in Russia. You want to live near Lake Como, there are many lakes in Russia. Stop developing other countries, develop Russia.
    As for the criticism of visitors, here the author threw from a sore head to a healthy one. It is the defenders of power that are rude and troll, without bothering themselves with explanations.
    Well, about the distortion of nicknames. My nickname is Gardamir, other letters are not welcome. I reserve the right to respond mutually.
    1. Banshee
      Banshee 17 June 2020 07: 27 New
      11
      Quote: Gardamir
      The author expressed resentment against the authorities.


      The costs of democracy. It is necessary to post not only criticism, but also this.

      Quote: Gardamir
      As for the criticism of visitors, here the author threw from a sore head to a healthy one. It is the defenders of power that are rude and troll, without bothering themselves with explanations.


      Yes, it’s possible and necessary to curry things with us, but some categories perceive criticism as treason. Alas, they survived.

      Quote: Gardamir
      I reserve the right to respond mutually.


      It is not worth it.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 17 June 2020 08: 00 New
        +6
        Quote: Banshee
        The costs of democracy. It is necessary to post not only criticism, but also this.

        I am very sorry, Colleague, but you must admit that this article is a complete hat! hi
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 17 June 2020 12: 17 New
          +9
          Quote: Malyuta
          this article is a full hat

          Not a hat, but an excuse for corruption in the country, praise of Putin and his hopes, the Russian Guard and giving complete hopelessness to the country, all power from God! - and maybe from the evil one?
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 17 June 2020 14: 18 New
            +1
            and the justification of corruption in the country, praise of Putin and his hopes are the Russian Guard

            Expectedly, extremely ridiculous. Similar, in general, the "duroscope" shines brightly.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 June 2020 15: 28 New
        -1
        It is not worth it.
        I agree. Just two or three days ago, one of my opponents "made a mistake" in the spelling of my nickname, I confess I could not resist reciprocated. No, I didn't offend, just rearranged two letters.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 June 2020 09: 18 New
      +8
      Quote: Gardamir
      Stop developing other countries, develop Russia.

      I support your idea and it is correct, but only Russian money is in foreign banks, and all these holders use it for the good of the West but not Russia. How many rumors we had about Roma Abramovich, especially the last one “Abramovich gave his hotel in London for free use for those infected with“ Karona-19, not to help Russia. ”People either did not know or forgot that Roman Abramovich is a former Russian oligarch, Israeli billionaire since 2018. " Well, what do you want from him ???
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 17 June 2020 12: 12 New
        +7
        Quote: tihonmarine
        only Russian money is in foreign banks, and all these holders use it for the benefit of the West but not of Russia

        And what did Mr. Brzezinski say about this! - "Find out, whose elite is yours or ours?"
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 17 June 2020 12: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Silvestr
          And what did Mr. Brzezinski say about this! - "Find out, whose elite is yours or ours?"

          The master is not visible, but we see everything.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 June 2020 18: 05 New
      -3
      And what countries is Russia developing? And whoever prays for oil, it, together with gas, occupies 19% of GDP, and they, as a means of currency flow, are some of the most stable commodities, on demand, and the price can jump sharply - quick money now - and not after tomorrow and maybe in the distant future as With the production of high-tech products, most of the niches in the market have long been occupied in this direction, and to be honest, Russia does not have a single massively promoted brand in the civil sector around the world - such as there are in the West. Therefore, we occupy our few niches.
  • kostik1301
    kostik1301 17 June 2020 07: 24 New
    +9
    Not a convincing article .................... THE AUTHORITY READY ......................... ..........
    1. depressant
      depressant 17 June 2020 08: 29 New
      11
      Putin’s power was such from the very beginning. Top painted with PR, and rust was not visible. But the PR quickly peeled off, and it became clear how over the past 20 years Putin has been eating up Putin’s power to the holes through which the country earned as the holes expanded has sifted more and more abroad. And so much we have not been interested in Putin all these years, that he does not even understand how much his appeal to us for support looks out of place now. And taking into account how much he gave us assistants - Medvedev, official servants of the IMF Siluanov, Nabiullina, Serdyukov, who defeated military schools, and many others - it’s even indecent.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 17 June 2020 09: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: depressant
        Serdyukov, who defeated military schools

        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, comrade Serdyukov did not trash military schools, they were reset to him.
        In 2007, when A. Serdyukov took the post of Minister of Defense, the system of military educational institutions itself was completely destroyed, by the way, they started to destroy it back in the late USSR, then it just started to collapse. If you don’t know, I’ll remind you - Serdyukov was the fifth by the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation.
        No need to engage in myth-making.
        1. depressant
          depressant 17 June 2020 10: 36 New
          +7
          Colleague ... If this is the way you say, and I believe you, then I apologize. But then, who should apologize for my negative opinion about the Yudashkin uniform? I remember that in the Far East, a hundred soldiers immediately fell ill with pneumonia - the uniform turned out to be cold! And this is just offhand.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 17 June 2020 10: 50 New
            +5
            Quote: depressant
            Colleague ... If this is the way you say, and I believe you, then I apologize. But then, who should apologize for my negative opinion about the Yudashkin uniform? I remember that in the Far East, a hundred soldiers immediately fell ill with pneumonia - the uniform turned out to be cold! And this is just offhand.

            This form was not cold, but the commanders were uniform woodpeckers.
            1. depressant
              depressant 17 June 2020 11: 25 New
              +7
              Strange ... I remember that in all the media they scolded Serdyukov for this form - the lining is not suitable. There were cases of mass diseases of soldiers in other military districts. According to the materials of journalistic investigations, the lining was changed.
              Another thing comes to mind. We had 335 thousand officers. Serdyukov swung and reduced them to 150 thousand. Let's say that this is Putin's political decision - the reduction of the army, because there are friends, partners and allies who love us very much, those who will never betray or attack us for anything. Despite the Munich speech. Strange, isn't it? And I understand the reduction of the army in a different way: paws up in front of the West, to which Putin, without thinking properly, raised his voice, but having changed his mind due to the fact that oligarchs persistently tugged at his sleeve and made terrible eyes, with persistent shouts of "Partners ! We are partners! " the excess of petrodollars allowed those oligarchs to actively drain to those partners. The army, so as not to sit hungry, decided to cut. True, the military from the aerospace defense grunted, and it was necessary to add another 150 thousand to the 70 thousand officers. But Serdyukov went even further! 140 thousand warrant officers were dismissed or transferred to other positions.
              What about military education? There are generally miracles.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 17 June 2020 11: 46 New
                +2
                Yes, everything was sad.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 17 June 2020 12: 46 New
                  +7
                  Criminal, colleague, criminal!
                  Take, for example, the defeat of military education - the defeat that is mentioned in the comments on some resources so far. Officers can neither forget nor forgive ...
                  There were 15 academies, 46 institutes and schools, 4 universities, that is, their own military scientific school, in which experienced professionals taught. And what happened as a result of the Serdyukov reform nourished by Putin? In 2010, the first year course was canceled altogether! And since 1, officers have been trained in only 2011 military universities and 10 branches. Experienced professors were out of work!
                  So not enough! On September 1, 2012, Serdyukov decided to close a number of regional military hospitals - what is it, huh? In the same place, all this kublo "optimizers" acted in conjunction! Along the way, the "surplus" army real estate was sold through Oboronservis OJSC at auctions, the results of which became the subject of a high-profile judicial investigation ...
                  From this it follows that Putin’s fault with the people of the country also consists in the selection of personnel not by professionalism and merit in any branch of the national economy, but by the principle of nepotism and kinship. Serdyukov - former son-in-law of Viktor Zubkov, deputy Putin at the St. Petersburg City Hall. Further, I do not want to unravel this viper of intertwining interests. Understand that Putin is not a lonely political figure, he is tightly associated with a host of diverse political and semi-political dubious personalities. There is a symbiosis. Putin cannot be considered in isolation from this biological phenomenon. And the author says to me - swallow all this shit and do not choke. Does not work.
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 17 June 2020 12: 56 New
                    -4
                    Quote: depressant
                    Then I don’t want to unravel this viper

                    When Serdyukov accepted the Ministry of Defense, all these unfinished military schools and academies, and these were the most bad-for-all viper students, as it’s not bitter to say. And, this was not only true for military schools.
                    It was necessary to somehow vigorously rake all these rubble.
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 17 June 2020 13: 21 New
                      +7
                      I will not argue, colleague. You probably know this topic from the inside. But if you approach everything in this way, then everything can be justified. Whatever you take, even the army, even the finances, even science or education, production - there will always be people who will say: "What do you understand! Putin saved us all from everything, turned our faces in the direction of paradise, dimmed and warmed everyone - Savior!" Yes, only practice suggests otherwise. Over the past year, more than $ 60 billion irrevocably went to offshore, and in this only in the first quarter - more than $ 20 billion. But this money could work within the country. Based on these results, I judge the presence of a halo over Putin's head. I can't see that halo at close range.
    2. cniza
      cniza 17 June 2020 13: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: kostik1301
      Not a convincing article .................... THE AUTHORITY READY ......................... ..........


      And who can argue, do what and most importantly how? "to the bottom, and then ..." or another way?
  • parusnik
    parusnik 17 June 2020 07: 46 New
    +9
    Of course.... smile About the boat. In the boat, all of their own, starting from the EP and ending with the Communist Party and all together rowing in one direction, under the guidance of the helmsman, those who are trying to get into this boat, in various ways, amicably beat the oars on the head, and beat their own. Our power is not replaceable. From the president to the parties. Parties are fed from the state feeder. It is impossible to express no confidence in any way. They removed the candidate against all, removed the percentage of turnout, introduced a 5% barrier, and all those who row in the same boat, not counting the helmsman, did the last thing, the boat did not go its course. She is towed by a boat on which there are uncles with thick leather wallets who turn this boat around as they like.
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 17 June 2020 10: 35 New
      +3
      Very picturesque picture! hi
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 17 June 2020 12: 09 New
      +7
      Quote: parusnik
      who turn this boat as they want.

      Already does not work! Remember how doctors received Putin's supplements or the organization of the fight against Covid! The vertical does not work, the leader is aging and sick, he has already built a disinfection tunnel - he is afraid of infection. So rowers have long rowed each in their own direction and the farther the stronger. The tops can no longer!
      Quote: parusnik
      Our power is not replaceable.

      It self-destructs and resets, the vertical rotted
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 June 2020 13: 26 New
        0
        Here you are again about the revolution, and what do you propose, how to change it, fair naked criticism and all ... do what and most importantly how?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 17 June 2020 14: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: cniza
          Here you are again about the revolution,

          Where is that said?
          The vertical does not work - the hedgehog is understandable that it is aging is also an obvious fact.
          The elite makes revolution when it is time to share power.
          Point out at least one revolution that the people made
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 June 2020 15: 33 New
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: cniza
            Here you are again about the revolution,

            Where is that said?


            Here are your words:
            The tops can no longer!
            I will continue "... the lower classes don't want to." remember V.I. Lenin?

            the fact that he is aging is also an obvious fact.


            Everything is aging right away. Do you know the average age of our rulers? , and maybe it's not about age but about skill? Or are you only interested in Putin?

            The elite makes revolution when it is time to share power.


            Revolutions are made from the outside, with a weak elite and connivance from the bottom, this is my opinion.

            Point out at least one revolution that the people made


            And no one denies this, people simply decompose and buy for a penny.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 17 June 2020 18: 11 New
              +7
              Quote: cniza
              Here are your words:
              The tops can no longer!
              I will continue "... the lower classes don't want to." remember V.I. Lenin?

              so, according to Lenin, there are 2 other components of the revolutionary situation, forgot ... or were poorly taught? In Russia, these 2 points are not ... yet. But the government is trying
              Quote: cniza
              Everything is aging right away. Do you know the average age of our rulers?

              want to say that at 67 he is cheerful and cheerful?
              If so, why is it only accessible through sanitation? - "disinfectant tunnels were installed in the Kremlin and Novo-Ogaryovo"
              https://www.mk.ru/politics/2020/06/17/putina-stali-berech-ot-koronavirusa-s-utroennoy-siloy.html
              He doesn’t hope for his health, but he gave everyone free and even made a parade, because the virus was defeated laughing by his decree request
              Remember, during the Union, the Kremlin funeral every month! Would you like to repeat the series?
              Quote: cniza
              Revolutions are made from the outside, with a weak elite and connivance from the bottom, this is my opinion.

              erroneous opinion. Outside enjoy the moment! Who prevented Nicholas II from developing the country and winning against Japan?
              Who prevented Gorbachev from developing the country?
              There is no prophet in your Fatherland, therefore, look for the 5th column, and it is you who agree with everything, all adoring and not understanding historical processes
              1. cniza
                cniza 17 June 2020 18: 17 New
                -3
                Oh, help has arrived in time.

                erroneous opinion. Outside enjoy the moment! Who prevented Nicholas II from developing the country and winning against Japan?
                Who prevented Gorbachev from developing the country?
                There is no prophet in your Fatherland, therefore, look for the 5th column, and it is you who agree with everything, all adoring and not understanding historical processes


                You seem to be a great strategist, but I am a mundane person, I live my work and my mind, I try not to depend on anyone, it doesn’t always work out, but I don’t cry ...
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock 17 June 2020 19: 01 New
                  +2
                  Quote: cniza
                  and I am a mundane person, I live my work and my mind, I try not to depend on anyone, it doesn’t always work out, but I don’t cry ...

                  everyone lives like that. But Lenin needs to know
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 17 June 2020 21: 32 New
                    0
                    So I kind of studied, though forcibly, but nothing ...
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 17 June 2020 07: 56 New
    +5
    Of course, the Western special services could not do without the destabilizing effect, but this impact was not decisive.
    author read the book of the then ambassador to the USSR J. Metlock "The Fall of the Empire". The influence of the special services was decisive.
  • Sofa
    Sofa 17 June 2020 08: 18 New
    11
    The expert himself probably Muscovite about life in Russia does not know anything about the salaries of 11000 per month, that there is no work as such and half the country go to Moscow on duty. Everything is fine))))))
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 June 2020 13: 23 New
      0
      So what do you suggest? Yes, this is very bad and it needs to be corrected, but not through the collapse of the country, because, as it gets worse, this is the message of the author, not agitation for Putin ...
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 17 June 2020 13: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        and this is very bad and it needs to be corrected, but not through the collapse of the country, because, as it gets worse, this is the message of the author, not agitation for Putin ...

        I am very sorry, but "the collapse of the country" is a pro-government bogey, with which they scare the scrappostans, they say, if he is not the cat, there is NO reason for the collapse of the Russian Federation !!!
        On the other hand, it is the current government that can simply sell the country, for example, lease the Far East through the TORs for 49 years to China, which is directly stated in the "plan for utilizing Russia."
        Threat. Try to explain to yourself why physical gold is exported from Russia during the most severe crisis? Why does the taiga move to permanent residence in China in a literal and figurative sense?
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 June 2020 15: 22 New
          -4
          Quote: Malyuta

          I am very sorry, but "the collapse of the country" is a pro-government bogey, with which they scare the scrappostans, they say, if he is not the cat, there is NO reason for the collapse of the Russian Federation !!!


          Well, yes, of course, these are horror stories from the authorities ... you have few examples ...

          On the other hand, it is the current government that can simply sell the country, for example, lease the Far East through the TORs for 49 years to China, which is directly stated in the "plan for utilizing Russia."


          Where is that passion in your head? Yes, there are problems, but these are local authorities and there it is necessary to deal with them ...

          Try to explain to yourself why physical gold is exported from Russia during the most severe crisis?


          Do you personally report? I know about the sale to London, but about the simple export, sorry, I’m special. no service, but do you have?

          Why does the taiga move to permanent residence in China in a literal and figurative sense?


          Does she move there herself? or it is taken out by our citizens with you, in corruption with local kings. Weakly fight, probably yes ...
  • Million
    Million 17 June 2020 08: 33 New
    10
    The title is good, but the text is not about that.
    The author licked well
    1. depressant
      depressant 17 June 2020 09: 50 New
      +9
      Exactly. And another unflattering review of those who will not vote or who will vote against. And even if the Author, albeit implicitly, but clearly drowns for voting with a positive sign, then at least he bothered to give an explanation of why this is necessary. Neither Putin nor his supporters explain. Never. Putin doesn’t care. The main thing is the very fact of the appointment of the vote. Even if no one comes to the plots. The fact itself!
      Therefore, for me in this fact - only a passionate desire to blame the people for the subsequent negative development of our history. Didn’t come to vote, voted against and the honestly announced result is negative? So they got the filthy in the future. And if the published result is positive, but then again the filthy follows - well, you are so dear to me, you yourself voted for it! What is it now to reveal the beak, the mittens or what have you got there! ..
      It turns out, in any case, no matter what happens to the country after July 1, the people will be to blame. But not Putin. In my opinion, this is the point of voting on amendments. I repeat: for Putin's subsequent failures to make the people to blame in his own, people's, consciousness. The people, in no way involved in governing the country. Having no way to do it. And also the task is to divide us into warring groups that sort things out among themselves. Who was "for", who was "against", who remained silent. That is, it is useful to occupy the entire people, so that large pieces of property do not dangle underfoot in the new period of redistribution. And as such, in the format of a fight between the owners, it will enter an active phase, apparently already from July 1. These are the planned reforms - land, privatization.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 17 June 2020 14: 38 New
        +5
        Lyudmila Yakovlena, calm down. You don’t have to go to the vote account ... They are accepted. A plebiscite is simply a show, about which you write, translation of arrows .....
        1. depressant
          depressant 17 June 2020 15: 34 New
          +7
          Colleague, I know! But my misfortune is that I am a stateswoman, for me consciously not to go to vote - you won’t believe it! - suffering is akin to physical. I want to vote, because I got it into my head that, as a citizen of my country, I must appear at the polling station ...
          But there is another thing - fear. It is based on the fact that you cannot indulge the authorities. Not showing up corrupts her. The authorities will get used to the fact that, making serious decisions, they can do without me. And over time, it will turn out that she will simply forget about my existence because of my stable absence, and when for some reason I suddenly find myself at the polling station, the authorities, hardly recognizing me, will frown unpleasantly and say: " You?!? What have you come to? Don't you understand that voting has long been a decoration of decisions made and approved by the necessary authorities with a known result? She, the power will get used to it! She will get used to my failure to appear, and one day I will read on VO that the popular vote has been canceled altogether!
          Because a dictatorship. Or a monarchy. Or worse.
          And other. I used to vote "for" trusting the president. I would like to help him with my voice now. But I cannot do this! I cannot do this for a variety of reasons that have been repeatedly stated in recent weeks here on the VO website, as well as in the debate on this topic. I cannot do this, because I am his voice in favor, and he gives me a pig in a poke in the form of my absolutely indefinite future. I will say "for", thereby opening the bagged in, which is immediately transformed into a Pandora's box, and the mechanism of further changes to the Constitution will be launched - which one?!? What's in store for us? I don't trust the president anymore. In general, for me to go and vote against is a tragedy. Do not go - too. So I'm worried ((
          1. Oleg Skvortsov
            Oleg Skvortsov 19 June 2020 06: 56 New
            +3
            Lyudmila Yakovlevna, but I’m not worried - I’ll go against voting. Everything related to the deceitful hypocrite, who is praised and whitewashed in this article, only causes me rejection.
  • unaha
    unaha 17 June 2020 08: 42 New
    +8

    Almost 80 thousand voters are more than "family, acquaintances, colleagues". Of course, it is not a reference sample, but nevertheless it is indicative enough.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 17 June 2020 12: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: unaha
      Almost 80 thousand voters,

      That is why the government is now advocating a boycott of the vote! According to statistics, opponents of the amendments are going to boycott, but organized consonants will come, who will make the picture. Adminresurs hopes for his victory
      1. unaha
        unaha 17 June 2020 12: 52 New
        +4
        "Administrative resources hopes for its victory", if only hoped, then there would be no vote. He's pretty sure.
        "organized consonants will come and make the picture" - so it will be.
      2. cniza
        cniza 17 June 2020 13: 14 New
        +3
        You know that voting on amendments is a formality; they have already been adopted. A popular vote is needed to increase significance at the international level so that there is no howl from abroad in their illegitimacy. And if the people vote against them, they will probably be canceled.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 17 June 2020 14: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: cniza
          amendment voting is a formality,

          So why, for the sake of this formality, is such agitation, removal of the regime of restrictions due to coronovirus, why are state employees forced to vote?
          Looks are not a simple formality, although you are right
          Quote: cniza
          they are already accepted.
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 June 2020 15: 35 New
            +4
            So why, for the sake of this formality, is such agitation


            I answered above:
            A popular vote is needed to increase significance internationally
    2. cniza
      cniza 17 June 2020 13: 16 New
      +5
      Almost 80 thousand voted


      And where do they vote?
      1. unaha
        unaha 17 June 2020 13: 19 New
        -2
        In a telegram, on one of the largest channels.
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 June 2020 13: 20 New
          +5
          Sorry, I do not participate in this resource ...
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 June 2020 18: 09 New
      0
      And who conducted the survey then?
      1. unaha
        unaha 17 June 2020 18: 27 New
        -2
        So the channel)))
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 18 June 2020 00: 40 New
          +1
          Which channel?
          1. unaha
            unaha 18 June 2020 08: 03 New
            +1
            "Non-winning" if you need a specific title. Considering 350 thousand subscribers of the channel, the number of voters is quite adequate.
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 18 June 2020 09: 05 New
              -6
              Yeah, now voice the "contingent" of subscribers to this ... channel? What social group, education, income level, etc.? To complete the picture? You cite as an argument ... a YouTube channel !!! Don't you find it funny? I will now give an insta with several million subscribers of some kind of pro-stars. Will you accept these results?
              1. unaha
                unaha 18 June 2020 10: 06 New
                +1
                I immediately wrote that the sample is not a reference. And the circle of subscribers is very wide, the comparison with YouTube is completely incorrect. Link to account - phone number, a completely unique identifier. And trust in such a vote is immeasurably greater than VTsIOM.
                "subscribers of this ... k. channel" - insulting people unknown to you (and apparently TG, as an instrument you are also unfamiliar with, 2 TV programs are quite enough ...) you clearly show the character of the contingent supporting the power in everything, without reflection.
  • Doctor
    Doctor 17 June 2020 08: 45 New
    +6
    We need real opposition.
    For power should really fight at least two.
    Then they will reveal each other's shortcomings.

    In the current situation, you just need to vote for the second by ratings.
    The winner should ideally win with a score of 51/49.
    Then he will think before doing.

    With 80% ratings, you can do anything with the people.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 17 June 2020 11: 59 New
      +5
      Quote: Arzt
      At least two must really fight for power

      That is why, one remained in the clearing, and the rest - a lawn mower. As a result, around the leader there is one mediocrity and hangers-on. They carefully pave any dissent into the asphalt - what an alternative! Save yourself and loot, and after us at least a flood
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 June 2020 13: 08 New
        0
        I will not dispute your opinion, just tell me where and whom, as you put it on the lawn mower?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 17 June 2020 14: 27 New
          +7
          Quote: cniza
          where and whom, as you put it on a lawn mower?

          Grudinin, Platoshkin, and how much was sifted out at the regional level! Election of governors in the Far East! They took and canceled the result when an objectionable candidate won
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 June 2020 15: 40 New
            0
            Grudinin, Platoshkin


            Honestly, I don’t like them either, especially Grudinin, moreover, because of the Communist Party, and Platoshkin — no need to break the law.

            Election of governors in the Far East! They took and canceled the result when an objectionable candidate won


            Was there such a moment and how did it end? , only it does not pull on a lawn mower ...
    2. depressant
      depressant 17 June 2020 19: 10 New
      +9
      The struggle between the two for presidential power is a debate.
      Well, it was like that. On March 2, 2018, Grudinin challenged Putin to a debate, he refused. In an unpleasant surprise, I suppose. The "fake" candidate (most likely this is how Grudinin was presented to Putin by his aides) suddenly dared to challenge him that the election scenario had not been envisaged. Moreover, a candidate from the Duma Communist Party. Surely Putin was insulted and angry. I suppose, in his view, it looked as if the insolent butler on the salary and food from the kitchen had volunteered to argue with the master in the presence of the courtyard with a clear desire to humiliate the master. We ought to be flogged! And what has been done.
      The president does not know his country, just as its nobles did not know. Therefore, he is always amazed at the absurdities that his subjects create. Hence the notion that a citizen receiving 17 thousand rubles is the middle class. What a debate! At the debate, Putin will lose to any plumber, if he dares to argue with him.
      So I think, as a person who does not know the country so much, hopes to rule it further. It’s sad.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 17 June 2020 08: 53 New
    +8
    Again, they are divided into traitors and state leaders. It is necessary to come and find ways to agree. And for this, there is less reason to irritate people. We have already passed the "contra-hydra against the wall". From all sides, various irritants fly into people. All this must be reduced. The ghosts of the civil war are dragged out, but the common man needs to live his own life and pay less attention to this verbal skirmish. An ordinary person should calmly work and rest. If such conditions are created, then everything will be fine.
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 June 2020 13: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: nikvic46
      Again they are divided into traitors and sovereigns. It is necessary to come and find ways to agree ... An ordinary person should work and rest calmly. Such conditions will be created, so everything will be fine.


      Everything is correct and that all this would happen without revolutions.
    2. SVD68
      SVD68 20 June 2020 09: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: nikvic46
      You have to come and find ways to agree

      What agreement can come from people who took the pension for 5 years from those who took it?
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 17 June 2020 08: 57 New
    +7
    Something did not understand. Is this a reasoning or an ode to the Great and Sun-Great?

    Somewhere it is said: Judge according to deeds.
    Cases: Set up at least some payments, set up at least some army, spent PR, increase in VAT, prices, Reduction of medicine, education, failure of literally all development projects, the Russian world, giant growth in the number of billionaires, bow of an official / oligarch, Official recognition of the merits of the Gorbachevs, Yeltsins , Kornilov and others, the growth of propaganda, the decline in population ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 June 2020 13: 03 New
      0
      My opinion is sincere reasoning and not about whether Putin is good or bad (he says that Putin does not reach Stalin by an order of magnitude), but about how not to destroy the State when changing personalities in power and how it will not allow interference from outside.
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 17 June 2020 13: 40 New
        +2
        It is truth too.
        Whatever happens. Do not let go. Only mine. Stability. Caste.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 17 June 2020 18: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        and how not to destroy the State when changing personalities in power and how to prevent interference from outside.

        and who is for it? But what is bad about the monarchy? - After the monarch, complete collapse without an heir. But in Russia, power is not inherited ... yet.
        In nature, there are 2 ways of development: evolution and revolution. We have no evolution and revolution. We have a swamp and pensioners in power. A pensioner's business is to sit on a bench. We are dear to the young everywhere, the honor to the old everywhere! Do you remember?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 17 June 2020 09: 00 New
    0
    the opinion is progressing that if today you change the person for the presidency of the Russian Federation (in their opinion, you can put anyone - even a collective farmer, even a writer - historian, without a team, without any management experience), then tomorrow or, in extreme cases, the day after tomorrow - we will live
    I remember when they flooded Kuchma, and the "orange" ones put Yushchenko, what praises were given to this accountant in their media - "Yushchenko has an orange scarf, socks and even strings are orange, now we will live." Well, we all know how they healed, then somehow Janek flew silently over Ukraine. And then with such fanfare, with such a Maidan, under lustration into garbage cans, Parashenko flew up on a heap of corpses, either Moldovan, or ..., but only it is not clear who. We got on well, but for some reason everything went away "by the company they are wearing chacha", as always by the company. They took away Gunpowder, elected and it was elected, and how many enthusiastic saliva there were, now we will live. But again, "life has become better, life has become more fun, the neck has become thinner, but longer. So from rearranging the places of the terms ... it's better not to change the horses at all. Let it pull until it falls ..."
  • alexey1213
    alexey1213 17 June 2020 09: 20 New
    +3
    After 98g Army, I got a job as a turner apprentice. Theory was also taught at the plant. Here one of the teachers told us that he was a member of the vote count in 96g and defeated Yeltsin I don’t see the point of lying. I myself voted in the army of the Nizhny Novgorod region and I didn’t see the support of the Communist Party. But you shouldn’t believe the words. I met such a person that I always voted for the Communist Party, but in reality it turned out not, the person was 65. I asked why the meaning was lying, the answer is not your business.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 17 June 2020 09: 53 New
    -2
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: Pessimist22
    But how then did the communists seize power in 17?

    During the capture of Zimny, several drunken sailors perished. Power passed to the Bolsheviks. Then the White Guards unleashed a civil war.

    Do you know that the Winter Palace was taken by the crowd to plunder the wine stock in the cellars of the palace? There was simply an acute shortage of alcohol in the city, and the unbridled crowd wanted to get drunk. The capture of the palace had no political or military meaning. Just the Bolsheviks had to retouch not to take a closer look at the moments. But in general, the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks in 17, was carried out professionally.
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 June 2020 12: 58 New
      +4
      And he did not consist in storming the palace. yes
  • Woodman
    Woodman 17 June 2020 09: 59 New
    -2
    Extremely robust article.
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 June 2020 12: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Lesovik
      Extremely robust article.


      And now the author will start to peck, those about whom he wrote ...
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 17 June 2020 13: 08 New
        0
        Yes already pecked. Even the administration was noted.
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 June 2020 13: 18 New
          +4
          Apparently I have not read the comments up to this point, I will continue to support the author.
  • Revival
    Revival 17 June 2020 10: 15 New
    +7
    The author dashed off such an article, but did not understand a simple thing: the citizens of the country and the "State Department" may be dissatisfied with the government and the National Guard, but this does not mean at all that the reasons for dissatisfaction (motives) are the same.
    In the end, a cheap allusion to the default "gazdep agents" ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 17 June 2020 11: 52 New
      +8
      Quote: Revival
      In the end, a cheap allusion to the default "gazdep agents" ...

      So Patrushev said so, but forgot to clarify that they themselves have long been agents of the State Department from the moment they wanted to become part of that foreign foreign elite. Which ordinary citizens have a second passport and real estate with finances abroad? None! But the elite, in order to preserve themselves, give and sell everything. Is there any doubt? In my opinion, no
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 June 2020 12: 55 New
        -1
        My opinion, I emphasize mine, you (Revival? Silvestr and I will not enumerate further, they will now manifest themselves, either openly, or minus a different opinion) recognized yourself in it ... "You need shocks, but we need Great Russia" ...
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 17 June 2020 15: 52 New
          0
          You need shocks, and we Great Russia
          So said a lover of ties and cattle cars.
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 June 2020 15: 55 New
            +4
            Believe me, I know who said that, but now it's not about him. Against these words, what do you have? Or do you need another Russia?
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 17 June 2020 16: 06 New
              0
              Against these words
              the main thing is not words, the main thing is who says. The Soviet Union canceled the cards after the war, Churchill only left that democracy is still better. About how these words came in handy for USSR breakers
              Here is what Leo Tolstoy said about the actions of Stolypin
              The most terrible thing about this is that all these inhumane violence and murder, besides the direct evil that they do to the victims of violence and their families, cause even greater, greatest evil to all the people, spreading the corruption that spreads quickly like fire on dry straw estates of the Russian people. But this corruption is spreading especially quickly among the simple, working people because all these crimes, which are hundreds of times more than what was done and are being done by simple thieves and robbers and all revolutionaries together, are committed in the guise of something necessary, good, necessary, not only justified, but supported by different, inseparable in terms of the people with justice and even holiness institutions: the Senate, the synod, the Duma, the church, the king
              1. cniza
                cniza 17 June 2020 16: 15 New
                +4
                the main thing is not words, the main thing is who says


                I’m talking about the round, you’re talking about the hot things ... therefore I didn’t write who says it. What kind of Russia do you need?
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 17 June 2020 16: 18 New
                  +2
                  What kind of Russia do you need?
                  Do you think the destruction of factories, schools, hospitals leads to the greatness of the country?
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 17 June 2020 16: 19 New
                    +3
                    No, it does not, only you have not answered my question, what kind of Russia do you need?
                    1. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 17 June 2020 16: 23 New
                      +1
                      You what Russia
                      I need great
                      Only this greatness is not according to Stolypin or Putin, but for everyone.
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 17 June 2020 16: 29 New
                        +3
                        So I’m talking about this, but tell me, tomorrow there will be no Putin, and sooner or later he will not be, will everything be all right at once?
                      2. Gardamir
                        Gardamir 17 June 2020 18: 36 New
                        +3
                        everything will be fine right away?
                        you do not catch me. Under his power, everything is getting worse and worse. The 90s is simply a transition from socialism to capitalism.
                      3. cniza
                        cniza 17 June 2020 18: 44 New
                        +1
                        I don’t catch you, but simply ask, I don’t believe not in socialism, not in capitalism, not in any isms, but in the 90s there was a collapse of the complete plunder of the country and the impoverishment of the people.
                      4. Gardamir
                        Gardamir 17 June 2020 18: 49 New
                        +5
                        the collapse of the complete plunder of the country and the impoverishment of the people.
                        Ale knock knock. Reread carefully again. The country was moving to capitalism. And Putin is a supporter of capitalism. There will be no revision of privatization. And you're talking about looting and impoverishment. Where is the prosperity of the people now? Machine water, the same robbery, only in a more cultural way.
                      5. cniza
                        cniza 17 June 2020 21: 25 New
                        +1
                        And Putin is a supporter of capitalism.


                        Well, if he told you about it, then yes ...
                    2. Duxan
                      Duxan 17 June 2020 18: 50 New
                      -1
                      Quote: cniza
                      and in the 90s there was a collapse of the complete looting of the country and the impoverishment of the people.

                      That’s what every fifth column wants to repeat now, to completely ruin Russia .. (and, as a result, the United States is on the verge of a civil war ..)
                      And the isms are for these very ones, who here divorced exponentially ..
                    3. cniza
                      cniza 17 June 2020 21: 28 New
                      -1
                      Vitaly doesn’t need Russia ... they serve the one who pays.
                    4. New Year day
                      New Year day 21 June 2020 19: 34 New
                      +4
                      Quote: cniza
                      Vitaly doesn’t need Russia ... they serve the one who pays.

                      how much pathos!


                    5. cniza
                      cniza 21 June 2020 19: 43 New
                      +2
                      How tired you are with your "revelations", and what have you done to pinch these "servants of the people" or force them to work for Russia. These pictures and lists look just silly, do you think this will help? It will help when you start raking the shit around you, then we'll get to the top.
                    6. New Year day
                      New Year day 21 June 2020 19: 46 New
                      +4
                      Quote: cniza
                      and what did you do to pinch these "servants of the people" or force them to work for Russia.

                      you are out of your mind! Pincer Putin’s appointees! And for what the public prosecutor? Everyone pulls his strap
                    7. cniza
                      cniza 21 June 2020 19: 55 New
                      +2
                      Are you only to be indignant and haunt your state?
                      If it’s in your style, and Gene. whose prosecutor is the appointee? you got confused in your worthless malice, I mean not only you personally, but all the critics.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 17 June 2020 16: 14 New
    -1
    Quote: cniza
    Believe me, I know who said that, but now it's not about him. Against these words, what do you have? Or do you need another Russia?

    Since Putin came to power for 10 years, he said, or rather quoted, saying that let them give 20 years and you won’t recognize Russia .. They gave him 20 years, what has changed for the better? In what area are breakthroughs? In medicine? demographics? science? can steal less steel or people have increased income and taxes less steel ..
    Where are the positive results? Shouldn't the people ask the president? And if they are not there, should he not leave and give others the opportunity to make Russia great? But he is breaking all laws pret for life, despite the fact that he can’t do anything .. So if the president does not want Great Russia and cannot, what do you want, supporting him? By supporting it, you support the degradation of Russia in all areas, corruption, nepotism and lawlessness ... so you are a patriot or putreot? In my putreot .. And personally, I am for Great Russia .. but we can’t be great with Putin, our place is a gas station, like 20 years ago .. and it terribly annoys me ..
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 June 2020 16: 24 New
      0
      So if the president does not want Great Russia and cannot, what do you want, supporting him?


      Where did you see that I support him?

      And personally, I am for Great Russia .. but we can’t be great with Putin, our place is a gas station, like 20 years ago .. and it terribly annoys me ..


      Yours, maybe, but I don’t want to be in the country of a gas station, and I don’t think it is like that, only Putin. Why did you put here here, tomorrow there will be no Putin, and then what?
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 June 2020 16: 37 New
        -1
        Quote: cniza
        My opinion, I emphasize mine, you (Revival? Silvestr and I will not enumerate further, they will now manifest themselves, either openly, or minus a different opinion) recognized yourself in it ... "You need shocks, but we need Great Russia" ...


        In, almost everyone pulled themselves up, oh no, the rest will come back to replace them a bit later.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 17 June 2020 18: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: cniza
          In, almost everyone pulled themselves up, oh no, the rest will come back to replace them a bit later.

          Are you talking about sisterly order?
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 June 2020 18: 36 New
            -1
            There are no darlings about you, I wrote above. yes
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 18 June 2020 01: 42 New
              +3
              Quote: cniza
              There are no darlings about you ...
              Victor hi I can see two ways: either they will officially contact the administrators with a request to reincarnate the Order; or by their scale of evil The order is equated to GDP ... I don’t even know what's funnier crying
        2. Duxan
          Duxan 17 June 2020 18: 51 New
          -3
          Quote: cniza
          In, almost everyone pulled themselves up, oh no, the rest will come back to replace them a bit later.

          It has already begun ...))))))
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 June 2020 21: 30 New
            +1
            Just like a carousel, funny ...
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 June 2020 18: 16 New
      -6
      In all 20 years, all the same, the period is not small and the territory of Russia has increased - and we no longer owe the IMF what we were in the 2000th year. But you do not need positive results - you will continue to write that nothing has been done and nothing is there. It’s just that a brain roll has happened to be completely negative.
  • Overlock
    Overlock 17 June 2020 18: 22 New
    +5
    Quote: cniza
    "You need shocks, but we need Great Russia" ...

    You usurp the desire of the masses! No one needs shocks, but there is no Great Russia .. for now. And the most annoying thing is that for 20 years the rule of GDP has gone into the furnace. You hang noodles on your ears for 20 years, and now that you’re tired of noodles, grit your teeth. What are the breakthroughs of GDP ... besides the growth in the number of billionaires, of course
  • New Year day
    New Year day 21 June 2020 19: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: cniza
    "You need shocks, but we need Great Russia" ...

    they are building it

    - for yourself.
    and for the rest -

    1. cniza
      cniza 21 June 2020 19: 50 New
      +1
      Maybe enough to grimace, but get down to business?
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 17 June 2020 10: 18 New
    +3
    this was until 1985, and then in a strange way, with the support of part of the top of the CPSU, one of them - Gorbachev very quickly (in just 6 years) collapsed the great power that he himself headed.
    Simplify. Or durity? Gorbachev ... and who led, brought and brought him to the highest echelon of power? He decomposed himself in 6 years and the Central Committee apparatus decomposed? A. Yakovlev, he was not brought to the Central Committee. The construction superintendents, far from Gorbachev, were sitting in armchairs.
    Andropov took care of him through the KGB.
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 June 2020 12: 50 New
      +7
      Since the time of Khrushchev, the CPSU has rushed along the slope, turning into a feeding trough, for those who made their way to party posts.
      1. Duxan
        Duxan 17 June 2020 18: 55 New
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        Since the time of Khrushchev, the CPSU has rushed along the slope, turning into a feeding trough, for those who made their way to party posts.

        And I would add a little nuance "those who returned from the Tashkent front" to Moscow, etc.
        A lot of interesting things have been written about this period, and during this period the "Dulles plan" took off and shot in the 80s-90s. It works exactly right now. hi
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 June 2020 21: 31 New
          +2
          There is such a thing ...
  • Undecim
    Undecim 17 June 2020 10: 34 New
    +7
    Even in modern times, when the quality of the content on the site has dropped significantly, the author’s campaign turned out to be primitive, like scrap, in the style of political information of the political officer of the late USSR. Loyalty follows from every line.
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 June 2020 12: 47 New
      +3
      And if you look on the other hand, the author does not want revolutions, for example, as I do not want them, how to organize a change of government at any level without shocks and destruction?
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 17 June 2020 16: 17 New
        0
        Quote: cniza
        And if you look on the other hand, the author does not want revolutions, for example, as I do not want them, how to organize a change of government at any level without shocks and destruction?

        So answer this question, not one sane person does not want upheavals and revolutions .. but also does not want to degrade .. and what to do? After all, he grabbed onto the oars and doesn’t let anyone steer. Doesn't this fact suggest you?
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 June 2020 16: 27 New
          +4
          After all, he grabbed onto the oars and doesn’t let anyone steer. Doesn't this fact suggest you?


          Do not worry, he is not eternal, even if he wants to be ... tomorrow Putin will not be in power, everything will change at once?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 17 June 2020 16: 31 New
            0
            Quote: cniza

            Do not worry, he is not eternal, even if he wants to be ... tomorrow Putin will not be in power, everything will change at once?

            Tomorrow he will also rule, like 20 years before that .. He is certainly not eternal, but during his reign Russia is degrading so much that it will be difficult to catch up, and it will take a long time .. The point is, of course, not only in Putin, but in the "elite ", the cooperative, which now rules .. and Putin leaves, the same Putin will take his place2 .. Since the members of the cooperative are the same .. This is the main problem for Russia .. The state needs a socially oriented president.
            1. cniza
              cniza 17 June 2020 17: 14 New
              +1
              So propose your candidate, and the reasoning that Putin ruined Russia is your opinion and you have the right to it. I believe that Russia is ruined by indifference, the consumerist approach - "I owe, I was promised ...", rabid criticism and blame everyone except myself.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 17 June 2020 18: 31 New
                +4
                Quote: cniza
                I believe that Russia is ruined by indifference, a consumerist approach - "they owe me, they promised me ..."

                you rave!
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 17 June 2020 18: 26 New
            +3
            Quote: cniza
            Do not worry, he is not eternal, even if he wants to be ... tomorrow Putin will not be in power, everything will change at once?

            then the driban will begin. What ended Brezhnev’s death? Or do you accept anyone whom the leader’s finger points to? - On Rotenberg, Sechin, Miller? Will it fit? But he has no other in the cage.
            Best Impromptu - Prepared
            1. cniza
              cniza 17 June 2020 20: 58 New
              +2
              I still don’t understand, but what do you want? I rely only on myself and my loved ones, to me deeply to all your lamentations. What are you expecting from whom?
  • Hypatius
    Hypatius 17 June 2020 11: 07 New
    0
    For example, one of the well-known hoaxes is that the modern state flag of Russia is “Vlasov”, i.e. used ROA.
    At this point, I agree with the Kremlin agitator:
  • New Year day
    New Year day 17 June 2020 11: 48 New
    +5
    The author, of course, well done, started for health, finished for peace.
    Fully justifies corruption, the collapse of public life, social elevators under the mythical threat of the collapse of the state, and then he himself clarifies that the states are falling apart in the struggle for personal power. So what does corruption have to do with it?
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 June 2020 12: 42 New
      0
      Something I did not observe where he justified corruption. Not a single state has yet succeeded in defeating it, but this does not mean that it does not have to be fought against, only care must be taken with methods.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 17 June 2020 16: 18 New
        0
        Quote: cniza
        Something I did not observe where he justified corruption.

        He doesn’t justify it, does he head it or do you not see that all his friends are billionaires?
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 June 2020 16: 30 New
          +3
          I'm talking about the author of the article, and you are all about Putin lol Don't you think this looks like weirdness?
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 17 June 2020 11: 59 New
    0
    Forgive me for God's sake, but an article from the series "horses mixed in a bunch, people."
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 June 2020 12: 41 New
      +4
      So show where the author is wrong and express your opinion.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 17 June 2020 13: 39 New
        +2
        I didn’t say that the author is wrong, I wrote that the article was written very chaotically ... and this is my opinion, and that it does not resemble yours or the author’s is normal
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 June 2020 13: 41 New
          +6
          But I do not dispute your right, I ask you to show the hash ...
  • sir winston
    sir winston 17 June 2020 12: 13 New
    +4
    CCCP is a socialist state, which implies public ownership of the means of production. The essence is this, everything else is secondary. Start the struggle for the alienation of the means of production in modern Russia and I will not put two cents on your life
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 June 2020 18: 21 New
      +1
      In the USSR there was no public property — everything except the money that the workers earned and what they bought from them, belonged to the state in the person of the managers of the Central Committee of the CPSU.
  • cniza
    cniza 17 June 2020 12: 40 New
    -2
    Bravo to the author, for a long time there were no such articles.
    On my own I’ll add that enough revolutions and upheavals are enough for us, we need a stably functioning state apparatus and its institutions, so that when personalities change, they do not collapse, they only strengthen and improve. Politicians must responsibly approach the issues of the struggle for power, so that in the midst of the struggle there would not be a task to destroy the established foundation of the state, but only to improve it for the benefit of the whole society and each individual person.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 17 June 2020 15: 54 New
      +1
      Enough of revolutions and upheavals, we need a steadily functioning state apparatus
      it would be nice if people were not forgotten about the people, not only in the days of voting, but also in all the others.
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 June 2020 15: 56 New
        +3
        Read below, there are:
        but only its improvement for the benefit of the whole society and each individual person.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 17 June 2020 16: 20 New
      -1
      Quote: cniza
      On my own I’ll add that enough revolutions and shocks are enough for us, we need a steadily functioning state apparatus and its institutions, so that when personalities change, they do not collapse, they only strengthen and improve. Politicians must be responsive to the struggle for power,


      The fact that we all need to know everything, as well as the fact that nothing is being done .. We have been told for 20 years now who should do what and what we need, only everything in the conversation ends, where is the result?
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 June 2020 16: 34 New
        +1
        And you personally, what did you do for this, just don't tell me that you are not in Putin's place, what have you done in your place? Have you created an enterprise, built something, or teach children, treat people, what you have done or tried, but the "evil" Putin did not give you.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 17 June 2020 17: 34 New
          0
          Quote: cniza
          And you personally, what have you done for this,

          You're like a cheat sheet .. funny ..
          I did a lot of things .. But it’s not about me, although the fact that I paid about 2 million rubles of taxes and at the same time Putin pushed my retirement age .. this is already enough .. But Putin did not give my country normal free medicine, high-quality education, the development of science and industry, increasing demographics .. my country is dying out, and your Putin is changing the Constitution and goes for life ... And what did you do to prevent poverty in the country, to build hospitals, schools, to did demography improve? Why do you support this mess? Are you an official, kremlebot or ZP?
          1. cniza
            cniza 17 June 2020 17: 42 New
            +5
            Where did you read that I support this mess, where you saw that I support Putin ... I want to live here now, but since I don’t choose my homeland and parents, I proceed from the realities that I have, and in order to live I need to there were no revolutions and unrest, we will deal with the rulers slowly. If you paid this amount of taxes for all your work experience, then this is not enough, but it’s good there.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 17 June 2020 17: 52 New
              0
              Quote: cniza
              I want to live here and now, but since they don’t choose their homeland and parents, I proceed from the realities that I have

              For you daddy Putin? Just choose the president .. and the homeland has nothing to do with it.
              and in order to live, I need so that there are no revolutions and unrest, we will sort out the rulers slowly

              Rather, the rulers will deal with the population .. what is already happening, the population is dying ..
              If you paid this amount of taxes for all your work experience, then this is not enough, but it’s good there.

              Not enough for you .. yes you are an official laughing This is by no means small, if of course you think it is right, and this is only 13% ... And why am I paying them, explain? If my family and I receive practically nothing from the state, the only average daughter is studying at school for free, and I pay for the kindergarten .. medicine is almost all paid, housing and communal services in that month about 8 communal apartments came in this summer too .. and there was an article yesterday , which will increase by another 000% .. What are I paying taxes for and to whom? And if you think that I pay a little, how much do you think I have to pay? laughing
              1. cniza
                cniza 17 June 2020 18: 01 New
                +4
                No dear, I paid taxes by orders of magnitude more than yours, though this is not only 13%, but I earn a lot with sweat and I fight with officials every day, but I don’t whine and I don’t expect anyone to do something for me, I’ll repeat it again , this is my opinion, I do not want revolutions and unrest, which is why I support the author of the article. hi
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 17 June 2020 18: 04 New
                  -1
                  Quote: cniza
                  I earn hard with sweat and I fight with officials every day, but I don’t wait and wait

                  Yes, dear .. they don’t fight with officials, they either agree with them or go to work for hire .. Don’t tell me, I know the officials well)) And I just fought with them at one time .. I didn’t want to bring them in principle. .
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 17 June 2020 18: 13 New
                    +4
                    Yes, no dear .. they do not fight with officials, they either agree with them or


                    You know, I either - just not according to yours, but go to court and it doesn't turn out badly, try ...
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 17 June 2020 18: 28 New
                      -2
                      Quote: cniza
                      I’m going to court and it’s not bad,

                      And how many things won laughing Here I have a friend, as I said, that everything will pay taxes in principle, even if the business goes bankrupt, but I won’t pay in the tax = uvu .. went bankrupt as a result laughing
                      And many sue them, and some even win, on banal matters .. but if there is a trickle and you decide to block it, then you will be sued as a result .. of course, if you trade in the market and some veterinarian illegally ran into you, then business you win. laughing
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 17 June 2020 18: 50 New
                        +4
                        And how many things won


                        I won everything with the tax.

                        I have a friend here


                        And you try it yourself, I recommend it.

                        It’s hard with the local authorities, but there’s nothing there so far on my side.
          2. Malyuta
            Malyuta 17 June 2020 17: 47 New
            -1
            Quote: Svarog
            Why do you support this mess? Are you an official, kremlebot or ZP?

            At the witnesses of the bunkeroman sect, a Kamaz with gold near the porch turned over laughing laughing laughing
            1. cniza
              cniza 17 June 2020 18: 02 New
              -1
              This is a company of dependents and disgruntled people who gathered here, try to start with yourself, and then we will demand from Putin or whoever comes in his place.
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 17 June 2020 18: 17 New
                +1
                Quote: cniza
                This is a company of dependents gathered here and dissatisfied with everything, try to start with yourself

                This is five !!! This training manual is 15 years old laughing , you also need to be able to troll lol
                Quote: cniza
                I do not want revolutions and troubles

                But you are sure to get it crooked.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 17 June 2020 18: 35 New
                  +1
                  This is five !!! This training manual is 15 years old, trolling must also be able to


                  This is your element and your company, do not align yourself ...

                  But you are sure to get it crooked.


                  Do not wait.
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 17 June 2020 22: 55 New
                    -1
                    Do not wait.

                    Serving the regime, you become an accomplice in the plunder of Nature and the destruction of the Citizens. Everyone wants life, but the patience is not unlimited. Pseudo-state leaves no choice for people. Possible death in the struggle to get rid of slavery is still preferable to guaranteed death from poverty.

                    This is your element and your company

                    But I remember how your kompasha yelled "Tryampnaaash" and posted ridiculous pictures. And what? Your? Figurines! He's them, American. The fact that he periodically blows pleasant sounds into the "pipe" of a normal person should be thought to be suggestive, so as not to end up in a faceless herd going to hell. Do not flatter yourself, he sees everyone, except for his voters, and his goals and objectives, which is indicative.

                    Fragment from the movie "The Enchanted Boy" (1955)
                    1. Lexus
                      Lexus 17 June 2020 23: 29 New
                      -4
                      guaranteed death from poverty.

                      I will say more. For nearly 30 years, real extermination has taken place. Neither more nor less shaped genocide.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 18 June 2020 00: 52 New
                        -2
                        In 2000 in Russia there were half of the population - but you didn’t hear something of your screamers about bad power, and now when there are officially 20 million of them, everybody who is lazy of the wrestlers for all good things pokes this towards the authorities from every iron - and this scum except hype and populism for these 20 million beggars wanted from a high tower. Including you with your schizobred genocide.
                      2. Lexus
                        Lexus 18 June 2020 01: 14 New
                        +1
                        In 2000, half of the population in Russia was poor - but something you didn’t hear of your screamers about bad power, and now when they are officially 20 million

                        Why don't your screamers compare rates with prosperous countries? Or, as an instance from your swarm put it

                        dung flies, excrement excrement, are not able to see anything in principle

                        ?

                        to these scum

                        who closed their eyes on the rest, buried in their "heap" from the edge.

                        You to me

                        with his schizobred

                        buzzing absolutely uninteresting, a multifaceted businessman, according to legend, rushing from one hypostasis to another. Enjoy "abundance" and savor "what" you adore.
                      3. cniza
                        cniza 18 June 2020 11: 09 New
                        +1
                        Here you have questions from the same colleague as yesterday:

                        Victor, if possible - another message:

                        1.here: http://artyushenkooleg.ru/wp-oleg/archi
                        ves / 26407 - it is explained that the Mausoleum did not have any "Vlasov banners", and even more so - the tricolor, which was never Vlasov's. There is a list of banners (about 4 sheets, scans) that really were there. The tricolor is not there)))

                        This is the question of "this is history, not my invention." This is a lie, not a "story".

                        2 .. "I did not serve the flag, but the Motherland" is a great excuse. I will personally remember it to him, upon release "to freedom")))
                      4. Lexus
                        Lexus 18 June 2020 12: 25 New
                        +2
                        The same flag in his hands and a helmet (Stahlhelm M35) on his head.

        2. Svarog
          Svarog 17 June 2020 18: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: cniza
          This is a company of dependents and disgruntled people who gathered here, try to start with yourself, and then we will demand from Putin or whoever comes in his place.

          Dependents are the countless army of the bureaucracy, which in modern Russia is larger than under the USSR, and this despite the fact that the population is half as much now and communication technologies have gone far ahead ...
          And the population of the country has the right to demand returns from the state .. otherwise it turns out that the population cuts taxes, fines and just makes money, but we can’t ask .. What do we pay the state for?
          An interesting thing turns out, everything was free in the USSR, and even the floor of the world was kept and everything developed and it wasn’t bad for everyone ... and now, everyone is self-sufficient, oil is extracted much more, we don’t contain anyone .. and the poor people are in debt ... how so?
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 17 June 2020 18: 26 New
    0
    The result will be when you tear off your fifth point and begin to do business yourself and not wait until someone else comes and starts to improve your life for you. Money as well as health from the air will not be taken.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 17 June 2020 12: 55 New
    +6
    . And the people of the USSR were seduced by jeans, McDonald's, chewing gum, a large number of sausage varieties and Western show business.
    Modern authorities think just like that, considering the people stupid to the limit with a bunch of fools who can be ruled by showing a block of chewing gum. Then they wonder why, instead of a powerful industrial and economic power, we have ... well, what we have.
    The authors of such articles "think" (this is not a process of thinking, it is called differently) in the same way. As a result, they understand the current reality like a pig understands oranges. It makes no sense to read.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 17 June 2020 13: 14 New
    +2
    The result of the article is one. Zeroing out.
  • Yurahip
    Yurahip 17 June 2020 13: 46 New
    -1
    The biggest minus of the current president is that she has so much time preparing herself a worthy successor! In contrast, the EBN, who saw in him a man capable of holding power in this country. But ... Nothing lasts forever under the moon ... And it will pass ...
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 17 June 2020 14: 31 New
    +3
    All this suspiciously coincides with the opinion and actions of the leadership of NATO countries, the propaganda of Western NPOs and the general direction of articles in the Western press.

    After this phrase, I began to read diagonally, because not overt campaign began. The author, was it really impossible to continue agitating more finely?
  • bandabas
    bandabas 17 June 2020 15: 21 New
    +3
    President Putin V.V. after the March 2018 election, he made only one major mistake - this is an increase in the retirement age.
    / Yah? Mistakes he has is the sea.
  • BAI
    BAI 17 June 2020 15: 21 New
    +3
    President Putin V.V. after the March 2018 election, he made only one major mistake - this is an increase in the retirement age.

    Here is the second - a change in the Constitution.
    1. Operator
      Operator 17 June 2020 15: 26 New
      -6
      Yes, Putin generally goes all the way from error to error - on nuclear missiles we are ahead of the rest, Crimea sailed to us, import substitution rules the ball, agriculture rushing to the mountain, the American spring breaks out in the USA, the next change in the Constitution of the Russian Federation regarding priority our law, etc. etc.

      From the point of view of Russophobia - error on error bully
      1. unaha
        unaha 17 June 2020 16: 34 New
        +5
        "in terms of nuclear missiles we are ahead of the rest of the world, Crimea has sailed to us, import substitution is ruling the ball, agriculture is rushing to the top, the American Spring is flaring up in the United States" - there are no allies in the world at all (situational does not count), the standard of living is falling which year, but the stratification between rich and poor is off scale, corruption and nepotism have become a perfect norm of life, the quality and accessibility of medical care and education is steadily falling, quite a police state has been created, "import substitution" is reduced to re-sticking labels and replacing quality goods with cheap ones, and a rise in price , where without it. The list can be long.
        But you can continue to rejoice at the number of vigorous bombs and buzas in the USA.
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        2. Overlock
          Overlock 17 June 2020 18: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: unaha
          But you can continue to rejoice at the number of vigorous bombs and buzas in the USA.

          and he has no other criteria! Not to rejoice at the level of the country's economy, and he - on the bombs. The hero of past years, forever in the past.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 18 June 2020 00: 56 New
            +2
            Russia already ranks sixth in the world in terms of purchasing power and eleventh in nominal GDP from 200 countries — generally decent indicators.
            1. unaha
              unaha 18 June 2020 08: 43 New
              0
              Indeed, there are such estimates, but there are also those in which the Russian Federation is in the top ten, which is also not so bad. But this is an estimate of GDP. But in terms of the purchasing power of citizens (not GDP), we are firmly in the top ten. Which in general is an indicator of a very high stratification.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 17 June 2020 16: 40 New
    +2
    This is despite the fact that in 1996, Comrade Zyuganov really won the presidential election, but was frightened to take advantage of their results and exchanged people's opinion for “cookies” from the current government at that time.
    And the author does not admit that at that moment comrade Zyuganov, through certain persons, was brought some information, the essence of which was that if the latter did not give up attempts to become President of the Russian Federation, then some forces in the Russian Federation and beyond would not allow this to be available to everyone they have resources, forces and means that blood will be shed, and that through their actions Zyuganov will endanger not only his own life, but also his family members, but also the citizens of Russia? winked And what would the author himself do in this case? sad
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 June 2020 18: 32 New
      -1
      In short, Uncle Zu - believing in information with completely unknown values. You yourself believe in this garbage.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 June 2020 19: 49 New
        +2
        with completely unknown quantities.
        But calm Boer arrived and someone was sad and diminished the tone of their performances and began to draw plans on his knees. Believe not?
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 17 June 2020 23: 11 New
          -2
          Colleague, we are already accustomed to the fact that every hpp rushing into failure, 100% of the Masons whispered. Where did the head of the club have their own strategic thinking come from. He is gullible, and he is constantly being framed - lizoblyudy just think so. laughing
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 17 June 2020 23: 07 New
      -2
      Greetings, Comrade! hi
      The author's hangers-on here were found above the roof. Or without a roof at all, I don't know already. In general, they are already wet from the mention of the "guarantor".
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 18 June 2020 00: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: lexus
        The author here hangers found above the roof.

        Yes, there is no opposition to your company, especially "above the roof," in the comments at all, except cniza (Victor) who is alone here, normally resets you winked

        Quote: lexus
        In general, they are already wet from the mention of the "guarantor".

        laughing yes, the "guarantor" himself, in a discussion with your team of tsymbalyuk, will leave you wet yes
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 18 June 2020 00: 42 New
          -2
          normally reset

          So I already suggested that he be a lawyer the devil "zeroed".

          yes "guarantor" himself

          the susam to fight with the domesticated "tsymbalyuk" and other "kovtuns" who are personally paid through the central channels of the "duroscope".

          And where is the "boar" and "regurgitation" (nicknames and N№ forgotten, weed)? Also "scorched" before dropping?

          It will be much more difficult to fight the external enemy, having behind the rear traitors of the internal, once former associates. Do not exact. I feel sorry for you.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 18 June 2020 10: 02 New
            +2
            Quote: lexus
            It will be much more difficult to fight the external enemy, having behind the rear traitors of the internal, once former associates.

            Wake up, Alex. And soberly analyze, for yourself, who marked the reference points for you, especially regarding your internal enemies? The findings will be interesting.
            Quote: lexus
            Do not exact.
            yes, for God's sake, I will also lie down and am glad to talk hi

            Quote: lexus
            I feel sorry for you.
            Alexei, this meme now looks pitiful, like swear words in the mouth of a fifth grader ... Usually this phrase is pronounced when the arguments are over, there is nothing to cover, but I really want to feel above others
  • KSVK
    KSVK 17 June 2020 17: 22 New
    +5
    Quote: carstorm 11
    And secondly, sites will never be true because the counters obey their creators.

    This is not about the CEC for an hour? laughing
  • candidate
    candidate 17 June 2020 18: 39 New
    +4
    ... It's all about private property.
    Life from her becomes miserable ...
    ... It is unlikely that the elite will deny themselves
    Selfishness is a dictatorship. All in yourself ...
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  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 17 June 2020 20: 31 New
    +4
    In the subject, so as not to discuss the current government, they crawled to the abuse of the Soviet Union. Well, look at the whiners, how we lived then.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 June 2020 01: 00 New
      +2
      Now it’s the same thing - I didn’t see any difference, except that the architecture has changed. Solid gray is no longer being built. People dress better than steel and there are several times more cars.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 17 June 2020 21: 20 New
    +4
    Personally, I am not against a change of power, but only in such a way that the consequences of its change do not lead to a full-scale civil war. And in the event of an attempt to change the government by means of “Maydan-colored” events, the likelihood of a civil conflict is very high.


    The author, let’s evaluate the possibility of “surrendering” power to our current president. That's just the facts.
    So the introduction:
    On the one hand, the president of a country occupying a vast territory, possessing enormous natural resources and relatively large "human" potential. The president has an absolute power in the country. It is a fact. The country has two legislative bodies: the Federation Council and the Duma. The Federation Council consists of the heads of regional entities, which the President appoints. The Duma here is a bit more complicated, but as recent events show, ANY initiatives of the President are UNAUTHORIZED by the Duma, including the law on raising the retirement age that you mentioned as a mistake. There was also a law on increasing VAT, which IMHO has hit the residents of the country much more, but this is already particular. All other “powerful" individuals are appointed by these two bodies plus presidential decrees.
    On the other hand, the population of this very country.
    Let's saythat the overwhelming well, or simply MOST of the population does not like the president’s policies. In your opinion, is the probability of a “evolutionary” way to change the president of the country high? And in what way, in your opinion, is it POSSIBLE to do so to say from below, on the part of the population?
    Considering the fact that the number of "interior" you mentioned is almost TWO times that of the country's armed forces. And this is without taking into account the number of such structures as the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB, which also have the competence to provide “assistance” to “defenders / security guards”.
    Threat Be so kind as to answer the above questions from the point of view of the position indicated in your article. Thank!
    ZZY Sorry for the "multi-letters". repeat
    1. Radikal
      Radikal 17 June 2020 22: 04 New
      +1
      Dear KSVK (Oleg)! hi It is useless to ask this author questions, he is not on this part, he has a different task - propaganda and rehabilitation. I mean those on whose side he is, so do not waste time on him. bully
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 18 June 2020 00: 55 New
        +1
        It is useless to ask this author questions, he is not on this part, he has a different task - propaganda and rehabilitation.

        Colleague, disabled people need full rehabilitation. Enemies and traitors are entitled to just punishment. Commensurate with "merit" retribution.
    2. forester1971
      17 June 2020 22: 21 New
      +7
      I believe that the possibility of a change in power in an evolutionary way is quite large. But I am not 100% sure of this; I cannot predict the decisions of other people.
  • forester1971
    17 June 2020 22: 17 New
    +4
    Dear and not very respected commentators!
    I carefully read the comments accumulated over the day. Basically, I did not hear anything new for myself. Thanks to those people who support my opinion.
    Among those citizens who do not share my position, two main categories can be distinguished:
    the first is those who disagree with me on the general and particular issues of the domestic policy of our country and who are trying to reasonably prove their point of view in a fairly correct form - such people deserve respect and it is interesting to argue with them, but, unfortunately, they are a minority;
    the second is people who translate any dispute into the plane of conflict, instead of arguments use blatant rudeness, the desire to insult and humiliate an opponent, come up with "new" for the Russian language, words - for example, "ratchets", "messes" and a number of others (it makes no sense to list) - this is already some kind of transition to childhood or senility. Judging by such strange "arguments", as well as a large number of grammatical errors in the work of such commentators, we can conclude that their intelligence is very low (I won’t list any nicknames, everyone can read the comments).
    One of the comments sounded the phrase: “Costs of democracy. It’s necessary to post not only criticism, but also this ”- this is about posting my article on the VO website - this is such an interesting wording. I think that the costs of democracy are those evil comments about which I wrote above. Moreover, they are written by people who know one of the rules of the VO site, namely:
    “The site is strictly prohibited:
    l) The use of derogatory vocabulary or nicknames in relation to Russia, its symbols and first persons. ”
    [i] [/ i]
    Almost daily, a certain portion of commentators practice wit about the “Vlasov Tricolor”. I will not list what is written about the President of the Russian Federation. And no one removes these comments.
    I’m not going to stoop to retaliatory rudeness. Good luck to all!
    1. Woodman
      Woodman 18 June 2020 09: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Forester1971
      One of the comments sounded the phrase: “Costs of democracy.

      These are the "costs of electoral democracy"
  • KSVK
    KSVK 17 June 2020 23: 15 New
    0
    My dear, forester1971, in my comment I brought you the FACTS. And I brought them in the most correct (well, at least I tried request ) And in response, you told me about your FAITH in the "good king." Faith is probably a necessary thing, and sometimes even a necessary one. But I, unfortunately or fortunately, do not believe, at least not in our tsar (well, or in the president, as you please), and am used to operating with more mundane categories. So what was your article about? About your faith? Or was your goal to brand all those who do not share your faith? But your opponents, too, or at least part of them, are Russian citizens. And they, unlike you, have ACTUAL reasons to express their own, different from the official point of view on the processes / events taking place in this country. And do not forget that we are all PEOPLE and mood swings are peculiar to all of us. And everyone has certain life circumstances that affect the expression of their thoughts. And your opponents are just as “stigmatized” by various impartial epithets.
    So, forester1971, besides your beliefs, excuse me, your article does not carry any other semantic load.
    All the best!
    1. forester1971
      17 June 2020 23: 40 New
      +6
      What facts did you cite? A set of information about the state structure of the Russian Federation? What does my faith in something have to do with it? I do not quite understand you.
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 18 June 2020 09: 24 New
      0
      Facts to you? Well, did you comment on the CEC with a mockery? You. Now tell us about how the "ELECTIONS" were held in the USSR? Remember those? I didn't put it in quotes for nothing. Do you know what the authorities gave to those elections massively? Outlets with scarce goods. And "candidates" were appointed by direct instructions of the Party. Is this an ELECTION?
  • KSVK
    KSVK 18 June 2020 00: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Forester1971
    I do not quite understand you.

    Let me try faster and easier.
    President can change the election.
    The election results are announced by the CEC (anonymous voting).
    CEC 15 people.
    5 appoints the PRESIDENT.
    5 approved by Federation Council. EACH of whose members the PRESIDENT appoints.
    5 approves the Duma, in which the pro-presidential party United Russia has a DECISING majority. Those. if only members of EP vote, the decision passes. ANYONE.

    1. What is the probability of appointing an “objectionable” PRESIDENT to the CEC?
    2. What is the likelihood of the announcement by such (actually appointed by the PRESIDENT) CEC of the “objectionable” to the PRESIDENT decision?
    3. What other opportunity exists to express my opinion to MOST of the population if the decision is (possibly hypothetically) “disagreeable” to the PRESIDENT?

    Sorry, forester1971, if even now my point of view is incomprehensible to you, then apparently I am a bad "explainer".
    Then let me take my leave.
    1. forester1971
      18 June 2020 08: 48 New
      +5
      Many countries have a similar system. I agree with you that the president has a great resource, but his power is far from absolute, as you wrote earlier. But even so, what do you suggest? In my article, I did not defend a specific person, but the integrity of the state, simply if it falls apart, it will not seem to anyone. Sorry, I can’t always answer right away.
      1. cniza
        cniza 18 June 2020 11: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: Forester1971
        In my article, I did not defend a specific person, but the integrity of the state, simply if it falls apart, it will not seem to anyone.


        They don’t need Russia, they don’t understand what the Motherland is, or rather, they have their own view of what they have the right only when they use the same right with a different point of view, they arrange a carousel and are ready to smash everything into pieces, even their house if only Putin left.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 18 June 2020 00: 23 New
    -2
    Quote: Terenin
    Quote: lexus
    The author here hangers found above the roof.

    Yes, there is no opposition to your company, especially "above the roof," in the comments at all, except cniza (Victor) who is alone here, normally resets you winked

    Quote: lexus
    In general, they are already wet from the mention of the "guarantor".

    laughing yes, the "guarantor" himself, in a discussion with your team of tsymbalyuk, will leave you wet yes

    You count! For what - guess for yourself. However, your guarantor is apparently so bold that he constantly shied away from candidates' proposals, including Zyuganov to hold debates with candidates during the presidential election campaigns. lol
  • Radikal
    Radikal 18 June 2020 00: 49 New
    0
    Quote: Forester1971
    Dear and not very respected commentators!
    I carefully read the comments accumulated over the day. Basically, I did not hear anything new for myself ...
    You will probably be surprised, but we also haven’t heard anything new from you - all the same complaints of misunderstanding, in turn derogatory, with notes of neglect, attitude towards part (of which one) of the forum participants, reproaches in the sense that they have a letter limps, phrases about senility ....
    By the way, I'm not surprised, and I expected something like this. For the integrity of the picture, you still had to add something in the style of Madame with the pseudonym "Kalinka", who believes that ordinary citizens have nothing to do abroad, or something like that .... By the way, some of your comrades-in-arms in "VO" also do not shine with education and intelligence, but I don’t remember that any of ours drew attention to this. Therefore, before speaking here with teachings and denunciations, isn't it better to look at yourself from the outside? winked
    1. forester1971
      18 June 2020 09: 12 New
      +3
      In general, there is little new in the world, as the saying goes "everything new is a well forgotten old". I am not recruiting companions here and I am not defending illiterate people who hold a point of view similar to mine. Personally, you can talk, argue, etc. But there is a category of commentators, I wrote about them earlier, who speak at the level of courtyard gopniks - I am not going to communicate with them.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 18 June 2020 10: 48 New
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    Quote: Forester1971

    In my article, I did not defend a specific person, but the integrity of the state, simply if it falls apart, it will not seem to anyone.

    In this I absolutely agree with you.
    Quote: Forester1971

    what do you offer?

    Well, firstly, I DO NOT RULE the country. And such questions, I'm afraid, are not in my competence.
    And secondly, you probably remember that "even if you are eaten, then you have at least TWO ways out." lol
    And my IMHO. Exit1: Leave it as it is.
    Exit 2: To die heroically under the bullets of the "insiders".
    Next Exit 1.