Remembering the terrorist attack in Budennovsk: 25 years of crime without statute of limitations

Exactly 25 years ago in stories Russia has an event that still has to be remembered only with a shudder. The Basayev gang entered the city of Budennovsk and, having seized the hospital, took doctors and patients hostage. Among the hostages were pregnant women.

The militants made their way to the Stavropol Territory through Dagestan territory. To do this, they used a "passenger car" and two KamaAZ vehicles. Passenger car - VAZ "six" - imitated a police car. The total number of militants who invaded Budennovsk is different in different documents. According to some reports, about 160 people belonged to the gang of Shamil Basayev, according to others - 195. There is evidence that several dozen members of the gang were already in Budennovsk at the time the Basayev KAMAZs appeared and then joined other terrorists.

The militants attacked the local police station, seized the building of the city assembly, and then took more than a thousand people hostage in the Budyonnovsk hospital.

The frames, which were shot by the Basayev bandits themselves, then circled the whole world. And it is still impossible to calmly look at how events in the city of Stavropol Territory developed then. It is impossible to calmly look at the frames of negotiations between Viktor Chernomyrdin and Shamil Basayev, when the militant dictated his conditions to the supreme authorities of Russia and refused to let women, children and the wounded go.

Militants terrorized the city from June 14 to June 19, 1995, putting forward all sorts of demands. Together with the city of Budennovsk and all of Russia. At that moment, individual media called them not terrorists, but "independence fighters." And a truly shameful page - when the militants were not only allowed to leave, but also taken out on specially fitted buses. This despite the fact that 129 people died in the city, almost 500 were injured.

Comments

[NEXUS]

Burn in hell EBN and his whole gang for it! And the current government is building him Yeltsin centers, despite the fact that we are collecting children for operations throughout the country. Ugh.

[ximkim]

They will not burn, they are the successors of the cause.

[knn54]

If Chernomyrdin had not intervened in the negotiations, then the war (Basayev was not released) could have ended then. Five years earlier.
This was later confirmed by Maskhadov, the "president" of Chechnya, who in those years headed all the militants: "There were only 15-20 of us left. If we had been squeezed then, the war would have ended."

[jovanni]

In general, this character would be better off just writing aphorisms. I remember, following the example of the Italians, I organized the party "Our Home Russia". And they began to show his mordulen how he folds his handles into a house ... So, I think, if Russia is their home, then where is mine? And special thanks to him for Ukraine. And if we had a sensible ambassador there, maybe everything would have turned out differently ...

[Dreamboat]

Not an article, but another hysteria with the aim of "stirring up"! Where was the author when 1000 people were taken hostage ?! He went to change himself for women and children, he covered the fleeing children with himself ?! It is easy now to cheer the same couch heroes for fun!

[parusnik]

And the current government is building him Yeltsin centers

..This despite the fact that 129 people died in the city, almost 500 were injured. The militants were not only allowed to leave, but were also taken out on specially adapted buses ..... Apparently for this ....

[Lexus]

The militants were not only allowed to leave, but also taken out on specially fitted buses ..... Apparently for this ....

Honestly, I have decades of subsidizing Chechnya, as well as turning a blind eye to the total theft of electricity and gas, otherwise I do not consider indemnity from Russia. Boris-blue already had the dust decayed for a long time and the war ended, and we are still unjustifiably generous. Throwing money for killing and terrorizing is not just stupid, but criminal.

[Vitalii21]

Chechen residents do not steal electricity, I can tell you for sure, since I myself saw an audit of energy sales!

[wellaut]

Quote: NEXUS

Burn in hell EBN and his whole gang for it! And the current government is building him Yeltsin centers, despite the fact that we are collecting children for operations throughout the country. Ugh.

EBN had Budennovsk, the current successor - Beslan. And on July 1, they want a popular endorsement for this ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: wellaut

the current successor - Beslan

And what, in Beslan, too, they took out yod buses on buses? They crushed everyone. Some sort of rotten comparison, with an unpleasant darling.

[cheburator]

Endorsements are not for this, but for the Constitution, which has long been necessary to amend. And you personally can not approve, without you people will figure it out. And then, slowly, we’ll sort out the rotten liberd.
We are Russians, God is with us!

[Lopatov]

Quote: wellaut

EBN had Budennovsk, the current successor - Beslan.

Political dances on children's bones?
Cool.
What other depths of abomination is your company ready to descend to?

[gsev]

Quote: wellaut

Quote: NEXUS

Burn in hell EBN and his whole gang for it! And the current government is building him Yeltsin centers, despite the fact that we are collecting children for operations throughout the country. Ugh.

EBN had Budennovsk, the current successor - Beslan. And on July 1, they want a popular endorsement for this ...

Under Yeltsin, terrorists killed the unarmed with relative impunity. Under Putin, such terrorists are quite skillfully exterminated. This is one of the reasons by July 1 to vote and approve the amendments to the Constitution.

[Banzai]

You educate your children as needed. And there will be all the rules. And do not have tantrums

[Grandfather]

Remembering the terrorist attack in Budennovsk: 25 years of crime without statute of limitations

Without statute of limitations ...? and ghoul Eltsin, they erect monuments, and wear wreaths ..

[Siberian 66]

Terrorists are illegal. Destroy everywhere and everyone. Prisoners are only for exchange. No exchange - no terrorists.

[alone]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

Terrorists are illegal. Destroy everywhere and everyone. Prisoners are only for exchange.

Terrorists are not military personnel to be taken prisoner .. A captured terrorist is considered to be arrested .. And no exchanges .. So you can fight endlessly

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

No negotiations. EBN with Chernomyrdin were negotiated with them then. Only disposal.

[alone]

Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok

Disposal only.

A good terrorist is a dead terrorist .. Axiom

[raw174]

Quote: Ragnar Lothbrok

No negotiation.

It is easy to reason when you are sitting at home, on the couch, safe and nothing depends on you. Then they ganged the gang on the approaches, local gangs and cops, through the blocks of which they passed. When a gang, essentially a reinforced company of trained and well-armed militants, took more than a thousand civilians hostage, negotiations were necessary. Another question is that it was necessary to organize covert persecution and subsequent destruction, but this task is difficult, almost impossible ...

[Terenin]

This despite the fact that 129 people died in the city,

Remember, grieve.

Everlasting memory!

[Ross xnumx]

Remember ... Mourn ...

Everlasting memory...

[Maki Avellevich]

there are sins for which in ancient times, people wiser than we punished the villain, not only death but also the eradication of the family. (his)
sometimes only in this way evil is cut down for a long time. but it’s not accepted today.

[Grim Reaper]

Plus from me. The only way.

[Alex Justice]

Dali left without punishment. The dark story. How many more people did they kill after that? Some probably still live.

[aszzz888]

Yes, that’s how it was. They shot it on TV. It was a very gloomy and uncertain time. God bless the souls of the dead civilians and their protectors. And the bandits should not have a place on Earth.

[Serpet]

Bastards, we fought with children ...

[Incvizitor]

Those sponsored by the West terrorists, whom they had to call there "fighters for independence."

[major147]

I was in Budyonnovsk. Our unit was assembled on alarm and put in city buses - "accordions", though new, were sent from Rostov into the night. We arrived at the place at two o'clock in the morning. There are no posts at the entrance, we went at our own peril and risk. One of our fighters had a mother-in-law living there, and he was a guide. Once we got to the local police station, life was in full swing there. While they were waiting for a decision on our deployment, I witnessed the stuffing of the face of “human rights activist” Kovalev by caring citizens and an inadvertent firing from a machine gun by some “cool” traffic policeman who was taken somewhere by hand. We were assigned a position about the hospital on the right to the chapel along the Kuma river. While driving to the place I saw on the street the corpses of killed people, shot by "Ambulance", killed in a motorcycle with a sidecar, or "eight", or "nine" red with the shot inside. I had a video camera with me, but darkness prevented it from filming. Then he filmed events from his position and I have this video.
You can describe a lot and for a long time, but the main thing is that, although I have been in "conflicts", for the first time people saw us as liberators with all the consequences.
I'll try to make a few frames from the video, but later. Affairs.

[Greenwood]

Quote: major147

and I have this video.

Quote: major147

I'll try to make a few frames from the video

Maybe you just upload the entire video to Youtube and access it via the link?

[major147]

Quote: Greenwood

Quote: major147

and I have this video.

Quote: major147

I'll try to make a few frames from the video

Maybe you just upload the entire video to Youtube and access it via the link?

Many still serve there, the service video, I just have a copy. I will upload photos - I’ll shade my faces.

[ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2]

22 brigade? If not right, I apologize.

[major147]

Quote: ANDREI MIKHAILOV_2

22 brigade? If not right, I apologize.

No. But an officer from the 22 brigade served with us, then returned back. We shot at their shooting range periodically. Now I pull the photo from the video.

[ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2]

We look forward to hearing from you, thank you for your early thanks.

[major147]

Quote: ANDREI MIKHAILOV_2

We look forward to hearing from you, thank you for your early thanks.

Thank! I watch the video in the process of selecting photos, relive it.

[major147]

Quote: ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2

We are waiting for a photo from you

Video for more than 2 hours. All images are made by me personally, with the exception of the latter, where I am. Go!

from the bus, move to the position ....

chapel ...

the assault began, shooting and a terrible female polyphonic cry from the hospital, tracers fly across the street, we run to the position ...

civilian driver of our bus.

[major147]

our bus

advancement continues

Rostov traffic cops who accompanied our convoy

in position

[major147]

team - to detain everyone, the fighter with the PKK is now a colonel, the commander of our unit ....

"turntables" hung until the evening ..

in position ...

[major147]

an unarmed officer from a local air base came to us ....

shot red car

frames that speak for themselves I will not comment

The BMP that jumped from the hospital at us is looking for an ammunition point

[major147]

local residents during the next "negotiations" hung up our radio and on the air we hear: "Shamil Basayev ....!"
I must say that the local residents of nearby houses, on their own initiative, "accepted" us for allowance. Of course we had dry ration, but now we were giving it to the common pot.

slowed down the journalist trying to get to the hospital. I don’t remember my last name, but my face is very familiar. Wasn't his BMP fighter accidentally shooting his wife?

hostage column

the refrigerator with the dead .... the smell followed him still ....

[major147]

a local television tower near the hospital, when attacking a helicopter the first thing first shot down snipers from there

in June 1995, I was in the position of the "chief of the armament service" of the unit and, under the pretext of checking the presence and condition of weapons and ammunition, I asked the commander of the unit for an "inspection"

the hospital from the position of our fighters, it was better to remove it, because a sniper was shot ...

[major147]

hospital..

not far from the hospital

the shot "Ambulance" I saw at night ...

another lull, ours and local ...

[major147]

recreation

recreation

[major147]

at night they also spent the night on the sidewalks and in the front gardens

view from the farthest position, the Kuma River, and the hospital further on the cliff

[major147]

checking documents for all suspicious ones and sending them to the "filter"

[major147]

a girl from Moscow came to grandfather and grandmother for the holidays .... the gates were shot ...

our "checkpoint"

I saw the departure of the hostage column with hostages, but I didn’t take it off, the hospital is empty, the engineers are waiting

[major147]

When I approached the hospital, I unexpectedly found a special unit from a "parallel structure" consisting of 95% of my colleagues who had previously transferred there, who were returning from a business trip to the Caucasus and were redirected to Buddenovsk on the way. The one on whom everyone is hanging is your humble servant.
It's all...

[Crane]

There are also participants ...

https://lenta.ru/articles/2020/06/14/bdnnvsk/

[major147]

Quote: Crane

There are also participants ...

Thank....

[ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2]

Thank you Major, Russia has held and will continue to hold. On people like you.

[major147]

Quote: ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2

Russia will hold on to people like you.

On such as we...

[Igool]

Thank you major. From the heart. Will live

[APASUS]

Having started negotiations with terrorists, Chernomyrdin only attached importance to the terrorists. As always, in our country, officials are not responsible

[tagil]

What are you carrying??? I would have looked at you when your pregnant wife stood in the window and behind her back a gunman lifted her robe with a machine gun. They would not have released these creatures would have killed everyone and died themselves. But then they are to them, to the houris to get into joy. If the militants had not been released and the women and children had perished, you would have now "branded" the authorities for their death.

[APASUS]

Quote: Tagil

I would have looked at you when your pregnant wife was standing in the oktas and behind her back the militant automatically raised her robe.

And what am I carrying?
Which of the officials was responsible for the lawlessness or the Chechens from scratch organized.
And at the expense of everything else ............ you did not sit with me in the same trench and you don’t know my life to reproach

[tagil]

Having started negotiations with terrorists, Chernomyrdin only attached importance to the terrorists. As always, in our country, officials are not responsible

We will examine who and what should be responsible in the article about officials. They attached importance to the terrorists when they began negotiations with Maskhadov and Lebed and Berezovsky who were conducting these negotiations in hell are answering the hell. If you were sitting in a trench you wouldn’t write such crap.

[APASUS]

Quote: Tagil

We will examine who and what should be responsible in the article about officials.

let's discuss

Quote: Tagil

They attached importance to the terrorists when they began negotiations with Maskhadov and Lebed and Berezovsky who conducted these negotiations

Are Lebed or Berezovsky government officials?

Quote: Tagil

If you were sitting in a trench you wouldn’t write such crap.

He expressed his opinion and if you do not like it, then these are your problems. I did not even think to prove your participation in the hostilities

[tagil]

Let's. I do not condone or defend a single official... What kind of officials are to blame for the tragedy in Budennovsk (just let's go without general phrases, Yeltsinoids, Putinoids, Gorbochevonoids, there are already enough "prosecutors" accusing everyone and everything indiscriminately, who do not disdain to lie, lizhba write something)?

Having begun negotiations with terrorists, Chernomyrdin only attached importance to the terrorists.

And what should he have done in that situation (again, let’s say without common phrases that he and others like him are to blame for everything, etc.).

With us, as always, officials are not responsible

“A week after the terrorist attack, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Nationalities Nikolai Egorov, FSB Director Sergei Stepashin, Interior Minister Viktor Erin, Governor of the Stavropol Territory Yevgeny Kuznetsov were dismissed. Deputy Mikhail Tretyakov, heads of several police departments. "

[mvg]

Very incomplete article. On rambler there is a version of one of the Alfovets. In short, Not in hot pursuit, then during the assault, up to 72% of combat losses and 80-90% of hostages were expected. Alpha died a lot. Yes, the figure of 1000 hostages is incorrect. The alpha had only a hundred fighters, together with the command, to storm 200 trained terrorists with machine guns and snipers .. covered by hostages, and the entire first floor was mined. Moreover, the mood in the city was controversial. The bandits knew for hours about the assault.

[captain]

Alpha is not intended to fight large gangs. The main goal of the Alpha unit is to plan and conduct military operations to prevent terrorist attacks. Which in turn includes:
search for threats
neutralization / elimination of terrorists;
rescue and release of innocent hostages, captured buildings, planes, ships and land vehicles.
Why is Alpha often used for other purposes? Our leaders very often seen enough of beautiful films and ostentatious activities of special forces, they believe that it is possible to solve all military tasks with the help of special forces. My opinion; there was a mess in Budenovsk. The operation was supposed to be led by specialists, the leaders of the state should not interfere in the actions of specialists. The operation was supposed to be an officer of the FSB. But public relations on the mountain of people, politicians can not.
Like the events in Pervomaisk. This operation was to be led by a combined arms commander. And to attract Alpha and Hero was impractical. In Pervomaisk there was a combined arms battle, infantry had to act there. Alpha special forces should not participate in such operations. Everyone must do their job and what they are trained. It’s like making a nuclear physicist teach opera singers.

[mvg]

The operation was supposed to be led by specialists

There was no leadership as such. Everyone was afraid of responsibility. The operation was supervised by an FSK officer, formally. But who gave the order for the assault is not clear. But how to storm, if you expect 300 hostages to die?
PS: If you send combined-arms units to such operations, you should expect even greater losses. It was not necessary to let go. REMOVE THE HOSTAGES, THEN DESTROY THE CONTRACTORS, and not the 19 year old boys. And, as practice shows, the regular army doesn’t always succeed with terrorists. This is during the time of EBN you can enter tanks into the city and beat on the database. True discs though. There was nothing to do without heavy equipment. Alpha was sent to certain death. On perfectly trained Arab mercenaries.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

covered by hostages, and the entire first floor is mined ........ there is such a chip as ULTRASOUND. . in the democratic west, crowds with this simple device were laid on the ground and taken away the most stubborn monkeys back in the late 80s, I can’t believe that Alpha didn’t have this, and starting an assault from the second floor is a trifling thing for them, in short the disgrace of the steering wheels and fucking in particular,

[mvg]

ULTRASOUND

Not for that. Alfovites were not given a head to raise. Five meters did not pass. The bandits knew very well the beginning of the operation. One could see his people in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Shot accurately, as in a dash. The officer who participated specially came again. He writes "there was no chance." His book is coming soon. He writes that in the first minutes 24 people and 50 wounded were killed. The biggest unit loss in history.
I don’t know what to do, I think to redeem, promise what they wanted, then to kill.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

If not for this .... here's an ambush. and my wife has it all the time. she works at the post office, because the ultrasound antidog is issued to her and was issued then, she checked for herself. I’m gagging like a butoh, I missed him forever, (my youth was stormy). I therefore reason. It is strange that the postal staff has such a device, but there isn’t any in Alpha, and even so, the buses were being driven. it would be possible to instruct these anti-dogs on the radio control, everyone would roll around, come in and take warm and all civilians would be whole, in short shame and only

[major147]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

mail employees have such a device, but not in Alpha,

Our unit was armed with smoke bombs of a very significant volume, but for some reason they didn’t even use them ....

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Our unit was armed with smoke bombs .... a smoker will not help in such matters, even if the soldier has a fire thermal imager, the structure is smeared when sighted. you don’t understand where anyone is. toli terik roofing felts patient, and he snapped an ultrasound, all go just choose who you want. I don’t understand the specs, I don’t understand why it’s difficult to complicate when solving problems in front of my nose

[major147]

[quote = Crimean partisan 1974] Smoke bombs were in service at our unit .... a smoker will not help in such matters, even if a soldier has a fire thermal imager, the structure is smeared when sighted. you don’t understand where anyone is. toli terik roofing felts patient, and he snapped an ultrasound, all go just choose who you want. I don’t understand the specs, I don’t understand why it’s difficult to complicate when solving problems in front of my nose [/ quot
It is now in our subdivision that the "weapon" is full of all sorts of "bombs", and in 95 we had a very sickly armament and equipment.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

It is now in our division "gunslinga" stuffed with all sorts of "gadgets", .... Duc, and that's what I'm setting out. why in 1994 my wife had an ultrasound antidog but not in petsur. mail and now breathe in incense, and then in the 90s so voosche ... as you remember, you will shudder, this is the seething incompetence where the answer is under the nose and no one sees it

[major147]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

the answer is under my nose and no one sees it

Around those years, specialists from the Scientific Research Institute "Spetstekhnika" in Moscow came to our department and showed us their various developments. After the show, with informal communication, as a specialist, I began to ask them various questions from the "bump" of the user of their products: "Is it possible to do" like this ", but here" like this "? To which I received the answer:" We can even do " just like that "! But it all depends on funding!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

this is true, but there are certain possibilities, for example, we had the KIP-90 in service with the GDZS link in the 8s. these devices have a significant minus in the tegod, a regenerative cartridge, which was not available anywhere, and an oxygen cylinder that could be pumped only at the GDS station in part, so that they were used only in a concrete w, then I had a racuha, ZIL receiver for lowering reducer and through the household hose to the breathing apparatus, a wonderful thing. helped out more than once. and when Kamaz came to the unit, then ....... this is a bomb, there is no need for a ratukh, everything is there

[mvg]

If not for this .... here's an ambush

Therefore, if you remember the terrorist attacks, with the hostages, almost always dead. Remind me? And in the news very often, when covering groups, the dead often appear

[Crimean partisan 1974]

often, when covering groups, the dead often appear ....... well, it’s from a great mind, once again I repeat the problem is solved. only a big dim when molded then it becomes complicated

[Avior]

Where did he go now when the shops are smashing?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Where did he go now when the shops are smashing? ........ but not where. just tolerance is walking on the planet. that planted those fruits and reap

[rotfuks]

The very concept of “terrorist” has recently been strongly discredited and used to please political trends. Of course, Basayev is a terrorist and a scumbag, if he took civilians hostage and shot at civilians. And look at Ukraine. There in Slavyansk, Girkin did not take anyone hostage and did not blow up civilians. But the Ukrainian authorities loudly announced the creation of the ATO. Anti Terrorist Operation. And the whole city of Slavyansk was shot from heavy mortars. Many residents were killed by shelling. Who is the terrorist? Girkin or ATO? Or the systematic destruction of militia leaders. Givi blew up. They blew up a Motorola. Together with the cafe, the head of the DPR Zakharchenko was blown up. Who is the terrorist? Zakharchenko or the organization that blew it up? Who is the terrorist, General Kassem Suleimani or the people who killed him?

[tagil]

Ukraine is a separate conversation, there, not only everything is turned upside down, but people in power are also sitting with mental illness and with a smart look of idiots they are discussing the birthright of Ukrainians over monkeys. But sooner or later, these insane hamadrilles will have to answer without any corrections for their lack of brains.

[mvg]

Givi blew up. They blew up a Motorola. Together with the cafe, the head of the DPR Zakharchenko was blown up

All these people came to LDNR not to drink tea, they earned money like mercenaries. On a foreign land. Do not judge on one side only. You do not think that the City can work on point goals. I know that the militias also use it.
PS: Judging by the fact that it’s unlikely that they began to live better in 6 years in Donetsk, Zakharchenko and his hedgehog are more engaged in their own affairs. And this was the richest part of Ukraine.

[Lopatov]

Quote: mvg

they made money like mercenaries

And what structure are you from if you had the opportunity to control their income?
Or just decided to lie?

[mvg]

What structure are you from?

What infa was hiding? Do you think they were attracted by the risk that they left to work? Conventional PMCs, only the name is different. On the other side of the Polish mercenaries, on this ours. Dress the modern military from 500K rubles. You think many arrivals had such money in their homeland. If you have a wife, apartment, children, who will go to the hot spot?
Look at Zakharchenko, how he lived. Security, like the president. On Plotnitsky ..
And for lying, I know a couple of people from the city, who serves there, and what they ask. They pay for the risks.
PS: The network has a lot of information about PMC Wagner, what are the prices. What is worse than Givi? You go to war, be ready to die. My opinion.

[Lopatov]

Quote: mvg

What infa was hiding? Do you think they were attracted by the risk that they left to work? Conventional PMCs, only the name is different. On the other side of the Polish mercenaries, on this ours.

In order to claim that they are mercenaries, you must have undeniable evidence that their monetary allowance was significantly higher than that of locals of the same rank and performing the same functions.

Otherwise, your application is a regular slap.

[mvg]

in order to claim that they are mercenaries, you must have undeniable evidence that their cash allowance was significantly higher than that of local

Strange evidence of mercenarism. It is customary in Russia to pay foreign specialists more, even having their own specialist in the same place. For example, the Finns do not.
Accepting a hired military contract, you know, they can kill. This is work, there are few altruists. What else to call when they are going to a foreign country from the middle of the Russian Federation to fight with weapons in their hands?

[Lopatov]

Quote: mvg

Strange evidence of mercenarism.

This is not "strange evidence", it is one of the main signs of mercenary activity established by the UN.

Quote: mvg

This is work

This is not "work", this is "service".
And the military man receives not a "salary" but a "monetary allowance."
Which is not a fee, but along with clothing, food and other types of allowances is intended to meet the needs of military personnel

But this is all the lyrics. Legal
Well, you could not prove the fact of mercenarism. Therefore ... slap.

[mvg]

This is not "work", this is "service"

Service, this is in the army. To the state. We would at least read the definition of "mercenary." At least international, at least French, at least Russian. For personal gain. What is the contentment? Then the bearded also serve, and we call them terrorists.
PS: Well, the UN definition. If there are unfamiliar words, please contact. I can help with links.

[Andrey VOV]

The "Alfovtsy" spoke many times and were completely at a loss when they were forbidden to storm the buses, when the terrorists were leaving ... then the chances of destroying the militants with minimal losses were very high, but there was a stop order from the very top ...

[Double major]

EBN had advisers from the Potomac. From there, there was support for the bandits. Times EBN - a shameful page in our history. And the symbol of this shame is the Yeltsin Center in Yekaterinburg.

[013Azer]

In such games, people are always left between two incorrect options, out of two existing ones.
1. "Militants" ie Shamil and everyone else came from somewhere, and defended Chechnya from the Russian invaders, fighting fiercely for their people, and for the Sunna of the Prophet S.AS (Salafism / Wakhabism) jihad, paradise, etc. etc.
2. They were sponsored by the West, it was not they, but Russia defended the people of Chechnya from terror.
____________________________
I repeat, even if there are only 2 options, not one of them will be thrown out to us among them. Both options are deceptive, specifically. It always has been, and will be. So that no one understands what is happening, the rule of the Powers and their political games are arranged, from which one simple people suffers and dies.
May both sides forgive me, and the Wahhabis and those who are against them, but I know one thing - that the Feds, that Shamili, that the Khattabs and everyone else - were one team. This was another well-organized protracted war, in their own interests. I think even those who know from the West, even then at this entire Performance / Theater, at all this dirty game of bandits standing at the head of the federation, and their bearded friends - looked with that surprise, which they probably never experienced.
Poor children, poor husbands and sons. And after all, no one will punish this gang of terrorists for this, because there is no justice as such, because the very concept of "justice" is a product of the human mind, and a wrong attempt to calm yourself .. Nobody, I repeat, will punish them, never, that's what hurts Total.

[ag-85]

Dear, they fought for the people in the 2nd World War.
Yes, and among the Slavs there were enough such figures and to this day there is, an example, Ukraine.
read here:
http://bidla.net/83329-bandy-kotorye-orudovali-v-sssr-v-gody-velikoy-otechestvennoy-voyny.html

It is possible without history (they fought for the people and TD). And there is justice but not in the power of man, it says here
awake in the bible, but this does not mean that it is not.

[Crane]

Quote: Ragnar lodbrok

No negotiations. EBN with Chernomyrdin were negotiated with them then. Only disposal.

I agree. But what about the hostages? It is in that situation, in Budenovsk.

[faterdom]

I didn’t notice in the article or in the comments, so I’ll add from my own recollections: it was extremely amazing how our self-proclaimed Supreme Commander-in-Chief Yeltsin behaved.
He did not cancel his planned visit to Halifax, Canada, for the meeting of the GXNUMX, where there was a side chair for him (a participant without the right to vote, and generally not a participant in the economic part of the summit).
It was more important for him that he had seized the city by bandits.
The maximum that he allowed himself was to complain to the members of the GXNUMX, they say, "You see what grief I have ..." And they even politely sympathized with him (and then implicitly continued to support the Dudayevites).
Well, Chesnomyrdin was in a role for which he had never prepared. And which he did not crave. Yes, and was not ready. If there were a woman in his place, then a 50:50 would be ordered to destroy all the bandits. And that would be the right decision.
But Viktor Stepanovich, "a tough business executive", a virtuoso of aphorisms and an expert on pro-slave Russian, turned out, firstly, to be weak on his knees, and secondly, in the role of a second person - in front of an insoluble dilemma of tsutswang before the "First". Which, in turn, in any case will sing the song of Duremar: "And I have nothing to do with it, I have nothing to do with it!"
By the way, does the last situation with shifting responsibility for "self-isolation" remind you of anything?

[Avior]

If there were a woman in his place, then a 50:50 would be ordered to destroy all the bandits.

And what about the hostages?

[vvvaunavi]

"Kursk" reminds.

[Crane]

So the first time in the "eight" called. The role, however, so-so, sit on a chair .. And he always did not care about people.

[faterdom]

Quote: Avior

If there were a woman in his place, then a 50:50 would be ordered to destroy all the bandits.

And what about the hostages?

Did they get killed a little? In our Chernomyrdin version ...
And then the bandits were taken out on dedicated buses, as winners and triumphs - how do you like it? Do you know how many more they killed? And their followers. And what, unfortunately, is still not all found and punished?
Those who are thirsty for power must understand: the time is coming for difficult decisions and one must comply - find the right ones, and not be guided by the Kiselev-Kokhov television and the opinion of "civilized countries". And then, starting with Gorbachev - all the "presidents" and "commanders-in-chief", but when it comes down to business - one shapeless and weak-willed dough.
Putin, at least the first in this series, was who formulated everything clearly and clearly: "Get wet!"
No other relationship with terrorists leads either to peace with them or to results.

[rotfuks]

A true leader because he is a leader because he is able to make gestural decisions and answer for the bazaar. If Putin said "wet!" they wet it without any chatter and saved the country from collapse. For example, Gorbachev made decisions about the assault on the Vilnius TV tower or about the assault on the rebellious Yerevan paratroopers with engineer blades, and then cowardly denied his decisions.

[serg2108]

After what this TV-set did in Russia, in 1999-2000 the second Chechen one (he served in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation) there was an unofficial order to destroy all those who belonged to the Gelaev and Basayev gangs on the spot ... if the intelligence confirmed the data!
And only after the capture of Grozny in January-February 2000, representatives of the special services-military counterintelligence of the FSB began to orient the personnel to collect documentary evidence of the atrocities of these creatures .. As a rule, through officers officers were asked to pay attention to documents and books after mopping-up tapes when inspecting certain places where there were fighters!

[Vitalii21]

Look, everyone remembered "Alpha" and others, but few people remembered the police, who first met the militants!

[ag-85]

Why are you publishing an article on the site?
with a photo of a bandit from a high road.
Could and gossip pasted, more pleasant though
It was a watch.

And so here's an interesting topic about (under-people) as in the pictures.
At all times they lived, were, and there is nothing surprising in this.

http://bidla.net/83329-bandy-kotorye-orudovali-v-sssr-v-gody-velikoy-otechestvennoy-voyny.html