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"The most powerful self-propelled howitzers": the US Army received the new "Paladins"

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The American army received a new modification of the Paladin self-propelled howitzer. The 155-mm howitzer M109A7 is designed to replace the M109A6 Paladin in army artillery in order to increase the combat effectiveness and power of the latter.


What is the M109A7?


This is the latest modification of the M109 self-propelled guns manufactured by BAE Systems. It is based on the Paladin M109A6, but it has an improved chassis that provides greater survivability of the machine and lower operating costs. In addition, instead of the Detroit Diesel engine with 440 hp. on a new modification, the engine from the Bradley Cummins V903 combat vehicle with a capacity of 675 liters is installed. with.

Also, the modernized howitzer has a digital fire control system, a semi-automatic loading system, and the gun’s hydraulic control systems in the new version are replaced by an electric drive. This decision made it possible to increase the ammunition load of self-propelled guns, which inevitably affected its combat effectiveness for the better.

As you know, in March 2020, the US Department of Defense signed a contract with BAE Systems Corporation in the amount of $ 339 million. The subject of the contract is the production of 48 self-propelled howitzers M109A7 (SPH) and M992A3 ammunition transport vehicles.

A batch of new howitzers was put into service with the 2nd Battalion of the 82nd Field Artillery Regiment, one of the best artillery regiments in the US Army.

The most deadly combat brigade on planet Earth has become even more deadly with the latest version of the Paladin’s 155 mm self-propelled howitzer. The 2nd battalion of the 82nd Field Artillery Regiment took possession of the M109A7 yesterday,

- say the US military on Facebook.

Note that the 82nd Field Artillery Regiment, based at Fort Hood in Texas, is really belligerent. Its units participated in the fighting in Vietnam, in the Gulf War, and fought in Iraq. By the way, separate units of just the 2nd battalion of the 82nd artillery regiment are still deployed in Iraq.

M109A7 Paladins roll into the Steel Dragon motorpool. 2-82FA is the first battalion in the 1st Cavalry Division to receive the Army’s newest fleet of M109A7 Paladins. These "big guns" represent the cutting edge of technology - delivering timely and accurate indirect fire in support of the GREYWOLF brigade. Modernization of our combat platforms ensures that the Steel Dragons remain the most lethal Artillery battalion on planet Earth.

Submitted by 2nd Battalion 82nd Field Artillery Regiment Thursday, June 11, 2020

The appearance of the new “Paladins” in the US Army artillery was the result of a revision of the US Army’s arms policy. The fact is that three years ago, the American research center RAND published a report on the combat capabilities of the Russian army, considered among the most likely opponents of the US armed forces. Experts concluded that the capabilities of the American ground forces are seriously inferior precisely in the field of artillery.

For a long time, the American military department did not pay enough attention to the development of artillery weapons, which allowed Russia to build the potential of its artillery units. In the American army, until recently, the basis of artillery was various modifications of howitzers, developed back in the 1960s. Therefore, there was a need to re-equip the artillery units with the new M109A7, which American officers ambitiously call the world's most powerful and deadly howitzers.
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  1. Max Lebedev
    Max Lebedev 14 June 2020 12: 28 New
    +7
    They have the most powerful ones, and ours too. Here it is. But in fact, until you compare in battle, you don’t know.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 June 2020 12: 57 New
      -5
      Да хоть какие "супер-дупер" "паладины" вструми , эффективность их устремится к нулю,если у расчёта "руки крюки,морда циркулем, образование ЕГЭшное!"
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 21 June 2020 09: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        если у расчёта "руки крюки,морда циркулем, образование ЕГЭшное!"

        Everything is automated there to a high degree. I’ll just click on the button and drive
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 14 June 2020 19: 04 New
      +6
      Цитата: Макс Лебедев
      But in fact, until you compare in battle, you don’t know.

      It would be better if they never knew.
  2. svp67
    svp67 14 June 2020 12: 32 New
    +8
    Engine power and increased b.k. this is of course important information, but I would like to know more about the rate of fire, the firing range of the guns, these characteristics are more important for self-propelled guns
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 14 June 2020 14: 30 New
      +2
      And it would not be bad to learn how to recharge. You look at the photo and judging by the volume of the tower, the dwarves do it.
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 14 June 2020 19: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      I would like to know more about the rate of fire, the firing range of the gun, these characteristics are more important for self-propelled guns

      I realized that these characteristics have not changed ...
      Such self-propelled guns are distinguished from previous vehicles by an improved running gear, enhanced protection and a modern SLA. The gun remains the same, but is supplemented by automatic loading. M109A7 is characterized by enhanced technical, operational and combat characteristics.

      https://topwar.ru/164420-kak-zamenjali-paladin-tridcat-let-i-tri-proekta.html
  3. stalki
    stalki 14 June 2020 12: 33 New
    +6
    Well, that would at least lead. I’ll look for it myself, but since there is an article like that, you’ll be kind to the characteristics.
    1. gregor6549
      gregor6549 14 June 2020 12: 52 New
      +2
      https://www.army-technology.com/projects/paladin/
      1. stalki
        stalki 14 June 2020 14: 09 New
        0
        Спасибо, но как они могут говорить о "самой самой" когда у них дальность чуть ли не в два раза меньше чем у "коалиции" (спецснарядом конечно).
        Here is some comparison there are several SPGs. https://warbook.club/voennaya-tehnika/boevye-mashiny/koalitsiya/
        They just tried to reach us.
        1. V.I.P.
          V.I.P. 14 June 2020 14: 25 New
          +7
          What do you dislike about range? On the A7, a new XM1113 active-rocket shell and an upgraded XM907 gun with a barrel length of 58 calibers (instead of 39 available). With it, the firing range of the new projectile with a propelling charge XM645 can reach 70 kilometers. Also, the upgraded Paladins will receive a new communication system that can work in the absence of a GPS signal, and a fully automated ammunition depot. The PGK-AJ system (Precision Guidance Kit with the ability to protect against interference) will also be tested, including a navigation unit and a guidance station based on an active phased active array.
          At the same time, they expect to fire from it at a distance of 100 km
          1. stalki
            stalki 14 June 2020 14: 28 New
            0
            But I didn’t find anything about this shell, is there where to read? Now I’ll dig myself of course.
          2. stalki
            stalki 14 June 2020 14: 30 New
            0
            And everything, in and found.
          3. Lopatov
            Lopatov 14 June 2020 20: 26 New
            +5
            Quote: V.I.P.
            On the A7, a new XM1113 active-rocket shell and an upgraded XM907 gun with a barrel length of 58 calibers (instead of the existing 39). With it, the firing range of the new projectile with a propelling charge XM645 can reach 70 kilometers.

            Hooray!!!!
            Only this is about a completely different self-propelled gun, which is sometimes unofficially called the M109A8 ERCA
            They are experiencing, and not the fact that it will reach production.
            For this is the third approach.

            Quote: V.I.P.
            will receive a new communication system that can work in the absence of a GPS signal

            ?
        2. Professor
          Professor 14 June 2020 20: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: stalki
          Спасибо, но как они могут говорить о "самой самой" когда у них дальность чуть ли не в два раза меньше чем у "коалиции" (спецснарядом конечно).

          Yah? So can you? wink

          в два раза меньше чем у "коалиции" ? wassat
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 14 June 2020 21: 14 New
            +5
            Quote: Professor
            Yah? So can you?

            Lying is bad
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          3. stalki
            stalki 14 June 2020 21: 29 New
            +2
            So you have already been answered above, but it does not seem to be suitable for the model that is considered in the article. This is where the Xm92 Excalibur fits, but it has a maximum range of 60km, and ours has 70km, besides ours goes further and the rate of fire is higher.
            1. Professor
              Professor 14 June 2020 21: 58 New
              0
              Quote: stalki
              So you have already been answered above, but it does not seem to be suitable for the model that is considered in the article. This is where the Xm92 Excalibur fits, but it has a maximum range of 60km, and ours has 70km, besides ours goes further and the rate of fire is higher.

              ОК. Покажите как ваша на 70 км попадает. А потом мы обсудим "когда у них дальность чуть ли не в два раза меньше чем у "коалиции".
              1. stalki
                stalki 14 June 2020 22: 03 New
                +2
                So what does it have to do with it, I also embellished it, actually by 57 according to the declared, and not by 60. I use the official data that the Americans have with us. And you can shoot anything on the video. I am not interested in the video in this case. Only official specifications. You can dig them yourself. I am sure you have good English, look through them with us and compare. I didn’t invent anything. I try to be objective hi
                1. Professor
                  Professor 15 June 2020 05: 40 New
                  -2
                  Quote: stalki
                  So what does it have to do with it, I also embellished it, actually by 57 according to the declared, and not by 60. I use the official data that the Americans have with us. And you can shoot anything on the video. I am not interested in the video in this case. Only official specifications. You can dig them yourself. I am sure you have good English, look through them with us and compare. I didn’t invent anything. I try to be objective hi

                  Objectivity for the sake of showing the hit of your having no tax in the world of howitzers at maximum range. TTX (official) I will post later.

                  Quote: stalki
                  Я про в 2раза отвечал когда не всю информацию выкопал, поспешил. Так что за неточность прошу прощения, но это всё равно не делает их вартант "самым самым".

                  It happens. We are here to understand everything. hi
                  1. stalki
                    stalki 15 June 2020 07: 59 New
                    +2
                    For the sake of objectivity, show the hit of your lacking tax in the world of howitzers at the maximum range.
                    Where can I get you the video for classified firing, classified shells. laughing And I did not write about an unparalleled one, no need to invent it.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 15 June 2020 17: 50 New
                      -2
                      Quote: stalki
                      Where am I going to get you a video for classified firing, classified shells. And I did not write about an unparalleled one, no need to invent.

                      Was there a boy? wink The bourgeoisie are not shy about publishing the results of their shootings.
                      1. stalki
                        stalki 15 June 2020 17: 58 New
                        +2
                        And you ask yourself the question, why are they doing this? Think muscles show? bully they are certainly not shy, but whether they pursue this goal in a row. Firstly, we have a different mentality, secondly, on key technologies it is more convenient to mislead the enemy, thirdly, do you see a gopher? wink
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 15 June 2020 18: 05 New
                        -2
                        Quote: stalki
                        And you ask yourself the question, why are they doing this? Think muscles show? they are certainly not shy, but whether they pursue this goal in a row.

                        Marketing.

                        Quote: stalki
                        Firstly, we have a different mentality, secondly, on key technologies it is more convenient to mislead the enemy, thirdly, do you see a gopher?

                        Какая "другая"? Вы продаете вооружение даже поставив его на вооружение в собственную армию. Альтруисты? Противник ваши возможности знает лучше вас. У вас секретность от своих.
                      3. stalki
                        stalki 15 June 2020 18: 20 New
                        +2
                        You are wondering why the enemy needs to know our weapons when he knows what is worse at the moment? So he spreads? And why should we spread it? Flaunting only that it is not a pity wink
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 15 June 2020 20: 19 New
                        +4
                        Quote: stalki
                        Interesting you reason

                        Он не "интересно утверждает", он был пойман на вранье, и сейчас старательно забалтывает тему. laughing This is normal for him.

                        And it works - you already forgot that he was trying to pass the ACS from the ERCA program as M109A7 ...
                      5. stalki
                        stalki 15 June 2020 22: 48 New
                        +2
                        Он не "интересно утверждает", он был пойман на вранье, и сейчас старательно забалтывает тему. Для него такое нормально.

                        And it works - you already forgot that he was trying to pass the ACS from the ERCA program as M109A7 ...

                        In no case. Why should the opponent be reminded, suddenly again on the rake hi
                    2. Professor
                      Professor 15 June 2020 20: 19 New
                      -2
                      Quote: stalki
                      You are wondering why the enemy needs to know our weapons when he knows what is worse at the moment?

                      He knows better than you. In foreign directories there has always been more information about Soviet technology than in Soviet.

                      Quote: stalki
                      So he spreads? And why should we spread it? Flaunting only that it is not a pity

                      And why are you driving equipment to the parade?
                    3. stalki
                      stalki 15 June 2020 20: 59 New
                      +2
                      With a hunchbacked freak, maybe they knew what, I do not argue, there was a draft there. And now what, where everything has to be blocked. You can’t fantasize about this. This is one thing being driven to the parade, but how it works in combat is another, you can show the gun, you can’t enlighten it with an X-ray, but how it shoots is a completely different story, and even secret shells wink not well, you can think that you see through and through. The evidence is really dumb, but no one forbids thinking hi
                    4. Professor
                      Professor 15 June 2020 21: 05 New
                      -2
                      Quote: stalki
                      With a hunchbacked freak, maybe they knew what, I do not argue, there was a draft there. And now what, where everything has to be blocked. You can’t fantasize about this. This is one thing being driven to the parade, but how it works in combat is another, you can show the gun, you can’t enlighten it with an X-ray, but how it shoots is a completely different story, and even secret shells wink not well, you can think that you see through and through. The evidence is really dumb, but no one forbids thinking hi

                      Evidence? I have them.





                      PS
                      Under Gorbachev, dollars were not withdrawn from the colonels by centners, and the generals on the Cote d'Azur did not build palaces for themselves. Now everything is sold and bought.
                    5. stalki
                      stalki 15 June 2020 21: 49 New
                      0
                      Yes, yes of course, well, who would doubt that the conversation will smoothly flow to the person and gold deposits winked Well, this is predictable. And something secret can be pulled out of these videos right? This is the same marketing as you said. But where is the secret? Everyone knows what’s for sale, but here’s what prozapas soldier this is not for you.
                    6. Professor
                      Professor 16 June 2020 05: 52 New
                      -1
                      Quote: stalki
                      Yes, yes of course, well, who would doubt that the conversation would flow smoothly to the person and the gold deposits? Well, this is predictable.

                      ... and why did you then drag Gorbachev?

                      Quote: stalki
                      And something secret can be pulled out of these videos right? This is the same marketing as you said. But where is the secret? Everyone knows what is for sale, but prozap is not for you.

                      Вы просили доказательств как РФ занимается" маркетингом"? Я вам привел лишь 2 примера. А по поводу "секретного" уровень современной коррупции в РФ позволяет купить ANY secret.
                    7. stalki
                      stalki 16 June 2020 07: 27 New
                      +2
                      I did not drag Gorbachev, but the time of his reign. And the example I requested was not marketing. You don't get it, do you? wink Я просил пример слива инфы. А по поводу коррупции удобно "фантазировать", она всегда есть во все времена по всему земному шару.
                    8. Professor
                      Professor 16 June 2020 20: 41 New
                      0
                      Quote: stalki
                      I did not drag Gorbachev, but the time of his reign.

                      Under Gorbachev, dollars were not withdrawn from the colonels by centners, and the generals on the Cote d'Azur did not build palaces for themselves. Now everything is sold and bought.

                      Quote: stalki
                      I asked for an example of a drain of information.

                      S-300 country of NATO. T-72 to NATO partners. S-400 country of NATO. Continue?

                      Quote: stalki
                      А по поводу коррупции удобно "фантазировать", она всегда есть во все времена по всему земному шару.

                      Oh yeah. Only the scales are different. French generals in Russia do not build palaces. Russians in France are building.
                    9. stalki
                      stalki 17 June 2020 00: 48 New
                      +1
                      I already said about corruption, there is no time to repeat further. Leave it to lovers in dirty linen to rummage.hi s300, s400, t72 in truth? already ordinary (in the past tense), with some potential. And just like everyone else around the world who is engaged in export, in truncated versions and with bookmarks. A completely unfortunate example. Here su57 is yes, I agree if it is allowed to export even in a stripped-down version, good is not enough. Already voiced by the way negative in the next branch.
  • stalki
    stalki 14 June 2020 22: 07 New
    0
    Я про в 2раза отвечал когда не всю информацию выкопал, поспешил. Так что за неточность прошу прощения, но это всё равно не делает их вартант "самым самым".
  • neri73-r
    neri73-r 14 June 2020 21: 29 New
    +3
    They had the T-72 javelin blowing to smithereens when they hit it, then it turned out that 200 kg of explosives had been put into the tank for the effect before shooting! So it is here. Alas, there is no word of faith. crying
    1. Professor
      Professor 14 June 2020 22: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: neri73-r
      They had the T-72 javelin blowing to smithereens when they hit it, then it turned out that 200 kg of explosives had been put into the tank for the effect before shooting! So it is here. Alas, there is no word of faith. crying

      Где это "выяснилось"? Кстати танк по определению взрывчаткой напичкан и что с таким танком происходит при встрече со старым ТОУ мы все убедились в Сирии.

      PS

      Now you brag. wink
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 14 June 2020 22: 07 New
        +3
        Do you want to convince me that a full ammunition load in an old tank during tests (and shooting a commercial) of a javelin? wassat who needs to find themselves in nete, this is a well-known case. And to brag, I, like you, are probably not 15 years old.
        1. Professor
          Professor 15 June 2020 18: 08 New
          -2
          Quote: neri73-r
          Do you want to convince me that a full ammunition load in an old tank during tests (and shooting a commercial) of a javelin?

          Of course. You are not aware of the shelling of fully equipped equipment?

          Quote: neri73-r
          who needs to find themselves in nete, this is a well-known case.

          Discussed 100500 times. There was no cramming of explosives. Syria has brought us many flying tashek towers.

          Quote: neri73-r
          And to brag, I, like you, are probably not 15 years old.

          14?
      2. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 15 June 2020 05: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Professor
        Now you brag

        The first guard was lucky ...
        1. Professor
          Professor 15 June 2020 05: 41 New
          -2
          Quote: pmkemcity
          Quote: Professor
          Now you brag

          The first guard was lucky ...

          Who hurts ... And on the topic?
          1. pmkemcity
            pmkemcity 15 June 2020 06: 00 New
            +5
            And on the topic ... All this is rather strange. The power of the explosions is different, contact, non-contact detonations, somewhere clearly a cumulative core, all shells, despite their different ranges, fall vertically. Each piece can be discussed indefinitely. Generally - a video of ammunition, not a video of a gun.
            1. Professor
              Professor 15 June 2020 17: 54 New
              0
              Quote: pmkemcity
              And on the topic ... All this is rather strange. The power of the explosions is different, contact, non-contact detonations, somewhere clearly a cumulative core, all shells, despite their different ranges, fall vertically. Each piece can be discussed indefinitely. Generally - a video of ammunition, not a video of a gun.

              There is nothing to discuss ad infinitum. At this range, shells fall vertically. It was only in Soviet military schools that the projectile was moving along a parabola, the error of its hit was described by the normal distribution law, and the French made the first serial MPI. wassat The force of the explosion does not look the same since the explosion is not carried out under the same conditions. And experts have no questions.
              1. chenia
                chenia 15 June 2020 18: 14 New
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                It was only in Soviet military schools that they taught that a projectile moves along a parabola,


                This is accurate, but only in Jewish reading (from right to left).

                The maximum range for more or less acceptable dispersion is 28-32 km.
                A more adjustable AR or special. BP

                Well and further preferable MLRS.
              2. Professor
                Professor 15 June 2020 20: 17 New
                0
                Quote: chenia
                This is accurate, but only in Jewish reading (from right to left).

                Judging by the level of knowledge of some commentators here, they studied right from left to right in Soviet schools. In addition to the normal distribution law, nothing has been studied, and something like that.

                Quote: chenia
                The maximum range for more or less acceptable dispersion is 28-32 km.

                For non-smart shells. For smart range does not matter.

                Quote: chenia
                Well and further preferable MLRS.

                Dispersion is even more catastrophic.
              3. chenia
                chenia 15 June 2020 21: 19 New
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                For smart range does not matter.


                The nature of the tasks solved by artillery. much wider than shooting at individual targets (and even at that range). Range matters (not in terms of CVO), but in determining the reliability of the target (the farther from the line of contact, the easier it is to run into false targets).
                The strikes in the operational zone (over 50 km) are mostly based on area targets (initial areas, concentration, launchers, extension columns).

                Quote: Professor
                Dispersion is even more catastrophic.


                See the answer above, and cluster BPs in such cases are more profitable.
                You do not confuse war with barmaley.

                Striking in the support zone (front-line positions), and there it’s harder to hide and deceive. But there, the targets are usually armored and in shelters (with the ability to quickly change positions). And here with a KVO of 5 m., Only to hit from the second third. And to hell with such a range?
              4. Lopatov
                Lopatov 15 June 2020 22: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: chenia
                And to hell with such a range?

                There is no artillery.
                More than a third of brigades have only one 155 towed battery. Above brigades of barrel artillery is not at all.
                MLRS in fact no - they do not produce RS, the installations turned into launchers for controlled

                That is, they do not have a normal artillery ranking system by subordination and therefore by tasks and depth

                So all this is a necessary measure. Plus, on this foolishness it will be possible to weld a robust design.

              5. chenia
                chenia 16 June 2020 08: 56 New
                -1
                Quote: Spade
                There is no artillery.
                More than a third of brigades have only one 155 towed battery. Above brigades of barrel artillery is not at all.


                Their aviation is all. They in WWII, having an overwhelming advantage in the materiel, were not able to properly organize a normal artillery attack.

                Well. but he cut a holy cause. Unfortunately, we also have such trends.
              6. Lopatov
                Lopatov 16 June 2020 10: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: chenia
                Their aviation is all.

                A2 / AD laughing So they remembered the artillery.
          2. Professor
            Professor 16 June 2020 05: 38 New
            0
            Quote: chenia
            The nature of the tasks solved by artillery. much wider than shooting at individual targets (and even at that range). Range matters (not in terms of CVO), but in determining the reliability of the target (the farther from the line of contact, the easier it is to run into false targets).
            The strikes in the operational zone (over 50 km) are mostly based on area targets (initial areas, concentration, launchers, extension columns).

            So it was before. Today it doesn’t matter if the target is 20 or 50 km from the front line. Reconnaissance allows you to accurately specify the coordinates of the target. Even MLRS make it highly accurate.

            Quote: chenia
            Striking in the support zone (front-line positions), and there it’s harder to hide and deceive. But there, the targets are usually armored and in shelters (with the ability to quickly change positions). And here with a KVO of 5 m., Only to hit from the second third. And to hell with such a range?

            Ни разу не читал в описании артиллерийских систем как "избыточная дальность". Всегда шла борьба за дальность, точность и летальность. В этом плане ничего не изменилось. Скандинавы создали 155-мм снаряд с 150 км дальностью. Теперь глубокий тыл стал менее безопасным.
          3. chenia
            chenia 16 June 2020 08: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            So it was before. Today it doesn’t matter if the goal is 20 or 50 km


            You are trying to impose on a professional your vision of modern combat. And I have no particular desire to explain the subtleties of this. The nature of the tasks performed by artillery in various types of combat and its periods is determined more by planning, rather than spontaneity. The distribution of artillery at the borders, according to fire and tactical tasks, everything is distributed according to organizational affiliation.
            For example, suppression of GPs cannot be achieved only with high-precision BP.
            Do not confuse with your theater, where the main struggle is against the partisans.

            Quote: Professor
            There has always been a struggle for range, accuracy and mortality.


            Range is largely determined by tactical expediency. And based on fire missions. firing ordinary shells is primarily interesting. And that means. range limitation, determines acceptable dispersion. Modern technologies (determining coordinates, corrections, making a shot, etc.) satisfy this requirement with a range of systems up to 30 km (+ -). What generally fits into the task of the day of the division (with a slight excess). Further, other means are used to complete the tasks.
          4. Professor
            Professor 16 June 2020 20: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: chenia
            You are trying to impose on a professional your vision of modern combat. And I have no particular desire to explain the subtleties of this. The nature of the tasks performed by artillery in various types of combat and its periods is determined more by planning, rather than spontaneity. The distribution of artillery at the borders, according to fire and tactical tasks, everything is distributed according to organizational affiliation.
            For example, suppression of GPs cannot be achieved only with high-precision BP.
            Do not confuse with your theater, where the main struggle is against the partisans.

            Вы пытаетесь переложить опыт ВОВ на современность.Классическая ошибка"профессионалов" -готовиться к прошедшим войнам.

            Quote: chenia
            Range is largely determined by tactical expediency. And based on fire missions. firing ordinary shells is primarily interesting. And that means. range limitation, determines acceptable dispersion. Modern technologies (determining coordinates, corrections, making a shot, etc.) satisfy this requirement with a range of systems up to 30 km (+ -). What generally fits into the task of the day of the division (with a slight excess). Further, other means are used to complete the tasks.

            The bourgeois claim that smart shells can reduce ammunition consumption at times. And this is facilitating logistics, saving money and reducing collateral damage. And again, the division last fought 40-50 years ago.
          5. chenia
            chenia 16 June 2020 21: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Классическая ошибка"профессионалов" -готовиться к прошедшим войнам.


            Maybe you are right. But no one knows how the war between equal opponents will go. The struggle for ether can lead to that. that an old and reliable compass will be the only means of reconnaissance, orientation and reference. And all will return to their circles.

            And all the WTO can be buried in the nearest ditch.
          6. Professor
            Professor 17 June 2020 20: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: chenia
            Quote: Professor
            Классическая ошибка"профессионалов" -готовиться к прошедшим войнам.


            Maybe you are right. But no one knows how the war between equal opponents will go. The struggle for ether can lead to that. that an old and reliable compass will be the only means of reconnaissance, orientation and reference. And all will return to their circles.

            And all the WTO can be buried in the nearest ditch.

            It may be so, but so far the smart weapon is justifying itself and physics does not allow to completely clog the ether.
  • pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 16 June 2020 04: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    At this range, shells fall vertically. It was only in Soviet military schools that the projectile was moving along a parabola

    Our shells do not go to the bakery by taxi!

    Commies dEbila were
  • Professor
    Professor 16 June 2020 05: 44 New
    -2
    Quote: pmkemcity
    Commies dEbila were

    Почему "были"?


  • pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 16 June 2020 05: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Commies dEbila were

    Почему "были"?

    такими и остались? По тому, что считали, что снаряды должны иметь "нетолерантную" ориентацию в полете?
  • Professor
    Professor 16 June 2020 19: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: pmkemcity
    and remained so?

    Yes.

    Quote: pmkemcity
    По тому, что считали, что снаряды должны иметь "нетолерантную" ориентацию в полете?

    No.
  • ApJlekuHo
    ApJlekuHo 17 June 2020 04: 15 New
    +1
    Do not mislead people, you gave a link to the previous modification.
  • ApJlekuHo
    ApJlekuHo 17 June 2020 04: 13 New
    +1
    https://www.army-technology.com/projects/paladin-m109a7-155mm-artillery-system/
    Here is the modification we need.
  • certero
    certero 14 June 2020 12: 35 New
    +7
    I once saw a video on the net where the details showed the process of firing from a paladin. Most of all I was impressed by the laces that need to be laid, and then yanked at him to shoot.
  • Smirnoff
    Smirnoff 14 June 2020 12: 56 New
    +9
    I think that the development of the Paladin is approaching its limit.
  • sabakina
    sabakina 14 June 2020 13: 59 New
    +3
    I don’t know how he has it with military power, but his muzzle brake has a serious knob.
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 14 June 2020 16: 46 New
      +7
      The brake is a brake, but the silencer for the guns is all the better ... smile
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 14 June 2020 13: 59 New
    +6
    Quote: Max Lebedev
    They have the most powerful ones, and ours too. Here it is. But in fact, until you compare in battle, you don’t know.

    The most accurate, reliable comparison is not in battle, but at the training grounds. Only there you can measure, evaluate and compare everything in the most accurate way. The designer will not trust that it is not possible to accurately calculate and predict. In a real battle there are too many interfering factors.
    If you evaluate not the technical nuances, but the practice of combat use, then this is a completely different matter.
  • doubovitski
    doubovitski 14 June 2020 14: 01 New
    +5
    Quote: certero
    I once saw a video on the net where the details showed the process of firing from a paladin. Most of all I was impressed by the laces that need to be laid, and then yanked at him to shoot.

    This, I think, is a device for blocking a premature shot. In a hurry, in the heat of battle, not to be killed by ourselves and our neighbors.
    Mortar men also have a double-loading device. This, apparently, is an analogue of such a device.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 14 June 2020 14: 08 New
      +2
      So I’m thinking ... And if in the heat of battle the laces break, are they lost, or are shell concussions? I think that after the concussion there will no longer be a string ...
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 June 2020 21: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: sabakina
        And if, in the heat of battle, the laces break, is shell concussion lost?

        They have everything in artillery forever with ergonomics through the fifth point
  • mvg
    mvg 14 June 2020 14: 02 New
    +4
    For a long time, the US military did not pay enough attention to the development of artillery weapons, which allowed Russia to build the capacity of its artillery units

    Is this somehow connected? Interestingly, we have a lot of coalitions?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 June 2020 20: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: mvg
      Interestingly, we have a lot of coalitions?

      У нас аналогом M109A7 была бы не "Коалиция", а сильно модернизированная 2С3 "Акация"
      1. mvg
        mvg 14 June 2020 20: 51 New
        +2
        а сильно модернизированная 2С3 "Акация"

        I do not know the real TTX, only open sources. I know that they are always one step behind. At least in range and ammunition. 58 gauges is serious.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 June 2020 21: 22 New
          +5
          Quote: mvg
          I know that they are always one step behind.

          laughing laughing
          Вначале они решили в ответ на 2С19 создать XM2001 "Крусейдер". Могли обогнать "Коалицию" на 20 лет....Но не срослось.
          Потом пилили XM1203 "NLOS-C" Могли обогнать "Коалицию" на 10 лет.... Но не срослось.
          Теперь пилят САУ по программе ERCA. Которую некоторые израильтяне лживо пытаются выдать за M109A7. Может быть, догонят "Коалицию". Если на третий раз всё же срастётся....

          По факту большинство старых стран НАТО обгоняют США в артиллерии. При этом американцы продолжают диктовать "стандарты" в этой области
  • Kars
    Kars 14 June 2020 14: 11 New
    +3
    For me, the G6 is still better.
  • kplayer
    kplayer 14 June 2020 19: 03 New
    +4
    ... replace the M109A6 Paladin in army artillery ...

    ... 2nd battalion of the 82nd field artillery regiment ...

    The article shows, of course, machine translation was edited, but in all cases they speak and write simply - field artillery (PA), and in artillery they divisions - equivalent units battalions. Heh! Yes, and the battalion commander here is a battery commander, not a battalion, if that. All this is the same that no one will literally call a division a division. Literal translation is harmful. Here are such nuances for the author. It is uncritical, but pleasant to read, when correctly stated, and the author understands what he is talking about, or what he translated.
    А по смыслу статьи - отмыв бабла, никаких значимых улучшений артиллерийской части, просто унифицировали ходовую с БМ семейства "Брэдли" (вкл. РСЗО MLRS)
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 June 2020 20: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: kplayer
      and in artillery they are divisions — units equivalent to battalions.

      Americans have battalions
      1. kplayer
        kplayer 15 June 2020 20: 06 New
        0
        Да-да, а дивизии - дивизионы. Лучше без буквальностей. С советской периодики - арт. дивизионы бригад, так тому и быть. Вы же отделение "скуадом" не называете?
  • Vlad Malkin
    Vlad Malkin 14 June 2020 19: 34 New
    +3
    And where are the specifications?
    1. eklmn
      eklmn 14 June 2020 20: 00 New
      0
      "А где же технические характеристики?"
      They are here in Russian:
      Here is a comparison of the self-propelled guns Msta 2S19M2 and M109A7 (Russian).
      https://youtu.be/0xVRL0KbuUM?t=3
  • Uncle Izya
    Uncle Izya 14 June 2020 21: 00 New
    -2
    Yes, asphalt killed, probably somewhere in Poland or the Baltic states
    1. stalki
      stalki 14 June 2020 22: 28 New
      0
      Yes, asphalt killed, probably somewhere in Poland or the Baltic states
      Yes? In the USA, imagine also a bunch of dead roads. This is not fiction, youtube to help you laughing
  • pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 15 June 2020 05: 07 New
    0
    This is the latest modification of the M109 self-propelled guns manufactured by BAE Systems.

    What happened to BAE?
  • Siberian54
    Siberian54 15 June 2020 05: 47 New
    -1
    Никакой "России",никакой политики-чисто техническая замена морально и физически устаревших систем с учетом возможностей вероятных противников.
  • Hermit21
    Hermit21 15 June 2020 07: 54 New
    +1
    US officers ambitiously call the world's most powerful and deadliest howitzers


    These words are perplexedly read by the 2C19, 2C35, Pzh-2000 and K-9 line
  • Tom Johnson
    Tom Johnson 22 June 2020 01: 13 New
    +2
    General Atomics has created a hypersonic round that will deploy a "BLU-108" type submunition. Hypersonics that are usable.