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Sohu: T-14 Armata tank can become a real gem for India

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Sohu: T-14 Armata tank can become a real gem for India

On the pages of the Chinese information portal Sohu published material on the upcoming putting into service tank parts and formations of the RF Armed Forces of new generation equipment. We are talking primarily about the T-14 Armata tanks.


At the same time, the author in the Chinese media expresses a kind of concern that one of the main geopolitical opponents of the PRC, India, may become the first foreign buyer of the newest Russian T-14 tank.

Sohu:

It is expected that next year this tank will be officially exported, and India may become the first buyer of this tank. To date, India has ordered 464 improved T-90 main battle tanks in Russia and is interested in ordering 500 T-14 Armata main battle tanks. For India, which has recently attached particular importance to the development of its army, this Russian tank will become a real gem.

However, the author notes that India is not ready to act without looking back at the United States. This is a kind of hint that the United States may have an impact on India - similar to that which they have under the CAATSA package of restrictive measures. It is worth recalling that American politicians have repeatedly tried to scare India with sanctions when they purchase the S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile systems from Russia. To prevent the deal from being blocked, India has to sign major military contracts with the United States. However, recently in New Delhi they announced their readiness to reject the American proposal for the supply of the F-21 fighter (modernization of the F-16 specifically for India), which has already caused, to put it mildly, disapproving exclamations from the United States.

It should be noted that from India itself there is no official confirmation of readiness to acquire up to 500 Russian T-14 Armata tanks at the moment.
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  1. Lexus
    Lexus 13 June 2020 17: 42 New
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    Tank T-14 Armata may become

    1. Svarog
      Svarog 13 June 2020 17: 50 New
      +3
      It should be noted that from India itself there is no official confirmation of readiness to acquire up to 500 Russian T-14 Armata tanks at the moment.

      Even in his own troops there is no this machine and it is not clear when it will be ...
      1. poquello
        poquello 13 June 2020 17: 57 New
        -16
        Quote: Svarog
        It should be noted that from India itself there is no official confirmation of readiness to acquire up to 500 Russian T-14 Armata tanks at the moment.

        Even in his own troops there is no this machine and it is not clear when it will be ...

        yes yes, especially for a group of storytellers - it is in its own troops
        1. Tonpengof
          Tonpengof 13 June 2020 19: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: Svarog
          It should be noted that from India itself there is no official confirmation of readiness to acquire up to 500 Russian T-14 Armata tanks at the moment.

          Even in his own troops there is no this machine and it is not clear when it will be ...

          yes yes, especially for a group of storytellers - it is in its own troops

          So it is or not, how much I read here, they say no to the troops, but they are moving at the parade, they even said that it was running in Syria.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 June 2020 19: 57 New
            +9
            Quote: Tonpengof
            So is it or not, how much I read here, they say no to the troops

            “Is in the troops” means it is in the “linear” tank battalions of at least the court divisions.
            1. Tonpengof
              Tonpengof 13 June 2020 20: 35 New
              +1
              Thank you for the clarification.
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 13 June 2020 20: 06 New
            +3
            Quote: Tonpengof
            even they said that in Syria was running in.

            lol I made fun! Maybe a better joke to tell? This is when a 70-year-old pensioner comes to a sexologist and complains that he cannot with his wife, and an 80-year-old neighbor saysthat can ... Sexologist's advice: so are you speakthat you can!
            1. poquello
              poquello 14 June 2020 00: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Quote: Tonpengof
              even they said that in Syria was running in.

              lol I made fun! Maybe a better joke to tell? This is when a 70-year-old pensioner comes to a sexologist and complains that he cannot with his wife, and an 80-year-old neighbor saysthat can ... Sexologist's advice: so are you speakthat you can!

              and you laugh at Manturov
              "The Russian tank T-14 Armata passed combat tests in the Syrian Arab Republic. Serial deliveries of the machine to the troops will begin in 2021, said Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov."
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 14 June 2020 01: 35 New
                +2
                Quote: poquello
                said the Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov. "

                To love is not to sit in the tank! (that is, in "Armata" ...)
                1. poquello
                  poquello 14 June 2020 10: 31 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  Quote: poquello
                  said the Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov. "

                  To love is not to sit in the tank! (that is, in "Armata" ...)

                  )))))))))))))))) person close to the emperor
          3. poquello
            poquello 13 June 2020 20: 31 New
            -4
            Quote: Tonpengof
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: Svarog
            It should be noted that from India itself there is no official confirmation of readiness to acquire up to 500 Russian T-14 Armata tanks at the moment.

            Even in his own troops there is no this machine and it is not clear when it will be ...

            yes yes, especially for a group of storytellers - it is in its own troops

            So it is or not, how much I read here, they say no to the troops, but they are moving at the parade, they even said that it was running in Syria.

            if in the 21m serial deliveries, how can it not be there?
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 13 June 2020 18: 32 New
        +5
        Even in his own troops there is no this machine and it is not clear when it will be ...

        Obviously, colleague, you have not accepted the “Duroscope” for a long time - there is a violation of the perception of the exclusively “correct”, rainbow-colored picture.
        Shot from the film "Equilibrium" (2002)
      3. Civil
        Civil 13 June 2020 19: 08 New
        -1
        That would be a contract so a contract!
      4. Piramidon
        Piramidon 14 June 2020 08: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        Even in his own troops there is no this machine and it is not clear when it will be ...

        They’ll sell it to the Indians, save up money, which they will buy for their army. An expensive car, however.
    2. knn54
      knn54 13 June 2020 20: 05 New
      +7
      India intended to buy 1770 Armata tanks from Russia (as many T-72 are in the Indian Armed Forces now). The amount of the contract is about 4,5 billion dollars.
      That is, for one T-14, the Indians are ready to give $ 2,5 million each. This is the cost of the T-90C in the simplest configuration, delivered in the early 2000s. The cost of the T-14 is more than 2 times more. India is not ready to pay so much.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 14 June 2020 03: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: knn54
        The cost of T-14 more than 2 times more. India is not ready to pay so much.

        I do not like this shadow cast by horseradish on foreign objects. You would have already learned to read and count.
        https://ria.ru/20181004/1529941355.html
        ... the deal is tentatively valued at more than $ 4,5 billion.

        This means that India is ready to allocate such an amount for the purchase of T-14 tanks, but it is not a fact that Russia will supply the number of tanks with exactly 1770.
        This is all foreplay.
        You have indicated the calculated cost of the T-14 at $ 2,5 million (in the transaction option). But there are other people who also provide data:
        Oleg Sienko, General Director of Uralvagonzavod, provided data on the cost of the Armata’s newest Russian T-14 tank after launching mass production. According to him, one combat vehicle will cost the customer 250 million rubles or 3.7 million dollars at the current rate.

        Using the “scientific poke” method, we determine that it is in:
        3,7: 2,5 = 1,48
        roughly, one and a half times more, less.
        Let's wait and tell us exactly what the parties agree on.
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 13 June 2020 20: 18 New
      -1
      Bravo!!!)))
  2. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 13 June 2020 17: 44 New
    +4
    Sohu: T-14 Armata tank can become a real gem for India
    it can become a real gem for Russia, maybe we will wait someday
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 13 June 2020 20: 19 New
      0
      He can even become a black pearl ... for the price ....
    2. VO3A
      VO3A 13 June 2020 22: 38 New
      -2
      Yes there is no pearl! T-14 realizes its capabilities within the framework of Combat Information Systems (who like network-centric) ... We do not have them, T-14 is not entered anywhere, the application has not been worked out, tactical techniques, even the requirements for them, have not been developed ... this one doesn’t need and will burn 30 seconds longer than the T-72 ... There is a tank, but we don’t know how to use it ... This applies to the Coalition and the Tornado ... There are communication channels in the framework of un-created systems, and there is NO external real-time targeting system with information assessment and its exchange ... And you can protect the headquarters and carry out stripping in the 3rd echelon on the T-72 ...
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 13 June 2020 22: 46 New
        +5
        and without Combat Information Systems, he can’t realize his capabilities in any way? since there are no such systems, so can we completely refuse from armored vehicles? all the same, after all, everything will burn up and no matter what
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 13 June 2020 22: 49 New
          -1
          Why do we need a new darling with new things with the impossibility of realizing its capabilities, if the old upgraded one is fully suitable ... There are no requests for the new one, it is not needed ... Its capabilities are redundant and cannot be used ...
          1. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 13 June 2020 23: 09 New
            +5
            if the old modernized is fully suitable
            what is it suitable for? it is impossible to endlessly upgrade the T-72
            Its capabilities are redundant and cannot be used.
            how, for example, can crew security be excessive and why can it not be “used”? is there at least one tank in the world with excessive, excessive crew protection? and what exactly, in your opinion, "cannot be used" in Armata?
            1. VO3A
              VO3A 14 June 2020 15: 57 New
              -1
              It’s difficult with such ... The most important defense for a tank is more complete information about the enemy, about the location of the squad .... And when you are beaten and you don’t know where or who, no capsule will help ... And active systems too ... now understand? To all such pluses too ... Get off your horse, you are forever behind and this is not yours ...
              Modern means shoot at the tank from 12 km and closer, promising ones already in service from 24 km and closer .. And cover helicopters may not fly in and mobile defense means in combat order are not enough, they are outdated ... Without LSI and new means composition of their own battle formations, which are subordinate to tank units, nowhere ... Chew ..
              1. _Ugene_
                _Ugene_ 14 June 2020 16: 38 New
                +2
                Difficult with such ... Now it is clear? Get off the horse. this is your level ... Chew ..
                dear man, can you assert yourself in any way? Well, try, try, maybe it’s better
                and about the issue we are discussing, it seems to you that the qualities of specific military units do not matter, the main thing is that everyone should be connected to the network and controlled within the framework of the CIUS, well, let's tie the cavalrymen with drafts into one information network and put up modern armored vehicles without them network-centric principles, and what happens? This is me to the fact that the concept of network-centric warfare is all right and good, but if each combat unit individually is obsolete, then there will be no sense anyway, so modern armored vehicles are definitely needed
            2. VO3A
              VO3A 14 June 2020 16: 09 New
              -1
              And then, see tank biathlon, this is for you, this is your level ...
      2. poquello
        poquello 14 June 2020 01: 14 New
        0
        Quote: VO3A
        T-14 realizes its capabilities within the framework of Combat Information Systems (who like network-centric) ... We do not have them, T-14 is not entered anywhere, the application has not been worked out, tactical techniques, even the requirements for them, have not been developed ... nobody needs this and it will burn 30 seconds longer than the T-72 ...

        but I still thought what the hell is there another rink in the cart, over there! )))))))))))))
        72x modernization cost is several times less, generals simply save
  3. codetalker
    codetalker 13 June 2020 17: 45 New
    +5
    Let's wait until it becomes the pearl of our sun :)
  4. Doccor18
    Doccor18 13 June 2020 17: 45 New
    +6
    Moreover, the author in the Chinese media expresses a kind of concern ...

    And what prevents the Chinese from purchasing two or three hundred T-14s too? And the parity is maintained. Su-30 was bought by both India and China.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 13 June 2020 17: 53 New
      -12
      They don’t need it anymore. They went to the modern level.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 13 June 2020 18: 00 New
        12
        Is Zaurbek such a banter? A new level, like in computer shooting? The Chinese before the T90M century crawl on all fours, and you said that they themselves can do something better than T14!
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 13 June 2020 19: 53 New
          -4
          And here is the banter? They reached the level of T90CM. MSA and IR systems are, as it were, not better than ours. 3rd generation ATGM is. Localization is complete. T14 is a set of certain technologies. If they are, then the car can be done really.
          1. standan
            standan 13 June 2020 20: 33 New
            +5
            Of what? Of shit and sticks? A tank is not only an MSA and IR, it is also a chassis, and armor, and much more. Even at the last tank biathlon, the Chinese did not grow together. Although their best tip99 was sent against our T72.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 13 June 2020 20: 56 New
              -4
              So they do not stand still. They work. They themselves can’t do it, invite those who can. Or buy them. Tank diesel engines 1500ls they are serially made. We do?
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 14 June 2020 00: 40 New
                +4
                Quote: Zaurbek
                Tank diesel engines 1500ls they are serially made.

                Due to the size of the engine compartment with this engine, their tank is almost a meter longer than ours.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 14 June 2020 07: 38 New
                  -1
                  Which one? Do we have a 1500ls diesel? One is X-shaped on Armata. But even there, one car’s rink is longer. And it is not yet serial.
                  1. yfast
                    yfast 14 June 2020 10: 49 New
                    +1
                    They also have lithium 18650 batteries of 30000 Ah, I saw it myself. Why do they need 1500 hp diesel?
                    I put such batteries and go take Moscow on one charge.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 14 June 2020 10: 59 New
                      -1
                      So they put them on non-nuclear submarines .... and then we laugh when Varshavyanka leaves the market and does not withstand competition.
                  2. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 14 June 2020 19: 25 New
                    0
                    Quote: Bad_gr
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    Tank diesel engines 1500ls they are serially made.

                    Due to the size of the engine compartment with this engine, their tank is almost a meter longer than ours.

                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    Which one? Do we have a 1500ls diesel? One is X-shaped on Armata. But even there, one car’s rink is longer. And it is not yet serial.
                    Their Type99 where it stands, as they say 1500 strong engine

                    By the way, the X-shaped engine (a relative of what stands on Armata) stood at our facility 187, the hull of which is only 30 cm longer than the T-72 hull and everything fit together with cooling radiators. The power of the X-shaped easily changes from 1200 to 2000 horses, but affects the motor resource.
                    By the way, the type-99 weighs 54 tons and to a large extent the weight was added due to the longer engine compartment, which is accordingly armored.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 14 June 2020 19: 59 New
                      -2
                      But the size of X diesel is larger ..... but the Chinese have 1500ls diesel engine serial, but we do not.
                      1. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 14 June 2020 21: 49 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        But the size of the X diesel is bigger ....
                        Where are such conclusions from ?
                      2. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 14 June 2020 22: 24 New
                        -2
                        Larger displacement engine, larger in size .... and MTO in Armata larger in size
                      3. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 14 June 2020 23: 06 New
                        +1
                        And what I wrote above did you read? I repeat:
                        Tip99 per meter longer than T-72
                        The X-shaped engine (from the same line that stands on Armata) was placed on the object 187, which is 72cm longer than the T-30, with some of these 30 cm falling on the front of the object (the weakened area of ​​the driver was removed)

                      4. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 14 June 2020 23: 13 New
                        -2
                        Ok .... X serial diesel?
                      5. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 14 June 2020 23: 50 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        Ok .... X serial diesel?

                        (ChTZ) a whole line of engines of the 2B family is produced, from 6 to 16 cylinders. X-shaped layout only for multi-cylinder. They are used in the oil and gas industry on diesel generators, tractors.
                      6. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 15 June 2020 07: 45 New
                        -1
                        X-shaped, 12-cylinder diesel turbo-piston engine A-85-3A / 12N360 / 2V-12-3A, rated at 1500 hp, developed by the Chelyabinsk GSKB Transdiesel. The engine was developed for two decades and was originally designed as a completely new power plant for new tanks, such as the current "Armata". In 2011, the engine passed the full cycle of state tests and is mass-produced at the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant (ChTZ). Nevertheless, during the International military-technical forum “Army-2019”, military experts noted that they held "An analysis of the characteristics and structural appearance of the ChTZ engines shows that the 2V-12-3A is inferior to its foreign counterparts in fuel efficiency, resource, oil consumption, specific heat transfer and other important indicators." Therefore, for the development of the Armata platform, the Ministry of Defense wants to get an engine that provides better performance than 2V-12-3A, and considers the 12TV373CH diesel engine (the Seagull) as the base. However, not everything is smooth with him. Despite the fact that the development of 12TV373CH should have been completed in the fourth quarter of 2017, this has not yet happened.

                        Content Source: https://naukatehnika.com/armata-problemyi-2020.html
                        naukatehnika.com
                      7. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 15 June 2020 09: 19 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        The engine was developed for two decades and was originally designed as a completely new power plant for new tanks,

                        More precisely: ".... One of the areas of development work carried out in the 70s is the design of a new unified family of 2V diesel engines for the promising generation of military tracked vehicles and the possibility of their use in national economic vehicles. The basis for its implementation was the Resolution The Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR of June 8, 1970. The task was to equip new cars of all classes with unified diesel engines that meet modern and future requirements for power, efficiency and reliability ..... "
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        their analysis of the characteristics and design of the ChTZ engines shows that 2V-12-3A is inferior to foreign analogues

                        Passed a full test cycle at facility 195, and at facility 148 (Armata or T-14) ceased to meet the requirements?
                      8. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 15 June 2020 14: 05 New
                        -2
                        Apparently: modern requirements.
                      9. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 15 June 2020 14: 31 New
                        0
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        Apparently: modern requirements.

                        I think undercover games between managers from engine manufacturers.
                        The same picture with the “Kurganets-25” - they still won’t decide which of the two proposed engines to install. It’s bad that they will put not the best, but one where the representative is more quick-witted.
                      10. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 15 June 2020 15: 27 New
                        -2
                        As far as I read, there is either an old volumetric set or some new one .... which one I did not understand. And the whole layout of the lower part and the place of the mech-water depends on the diesel engine.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 13 June 2020 22: 31 New
    -1
    The Chinese drove a T-96.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 13 June 2020 23: 11 New
      -5
      But what did the Russian Federation drive? T72 with diesel 1180ls. This is not the crown of tankostronium.
  • Usher
    Usher 13 June 2020 22: 55 New
    0
    Quote: standan
    Of what? Of shit and sticks? A tank is not only an MSA and IR, it is also a chassis, and armor, and much more. Even at the last tank biathlon, the Chinese did not grow together. Although their best tip99 was sent against our T72.

    He is not the best
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 13 June 2020 18: 02 New
    +3
    They went to the modern level.

    Is that what they think?
    1. Thunderbringer
      Thunderbringer 13 June 2020 18: 44 New
      -2
      They have nothing to do with it.
      So consider trolls on the Internet.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 13 June 2020 18: 25 New
    -1
    And what kind of modern level is this - Type 99A2 and J 31 fighter?
  • strelokmira
    strelokmira 14 June 2020 09: 01 New
    -4
    They don’t need it anymore. They went to the modern level.

    What do you throw beads before the Urahs, you don’t see here the adherents of the numbing analogues gathered ...
    This is all exactly what the land planners to explain that the earth is round
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 June 2020 10: 25 New
      -1
      I mean, a tank, in principle, can now be built by a technically developed country ... if desired. There are specialists and technologies. The question is how much money the country is willing to spend. And China is one of such countries. And its technological level is specifically in the engine structure, electronics, ammunition in something like ours, in something better, in something a little worse. But it is precisely in order to do what they did in T14 that I don’t think that the Chinese were very late. In the 21st century, the main performance characteristics of tanks are very close and the "coolness" will be in the presence of KAZ and the exchange of data between tanks and drones. Without it, even the coolest tanks will suffer terrible losses even from partisans with systems like Cornet and Toe. 152mm cumulative will make 120 cm of any armor in any tank.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 17: 59 New
    +2
    They are there different Su-30s. Indian will be better!
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 13 June 2020 19: 57 New
      -2
      Not a fact ... the Chinas also heaped up both J10 and J11
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 20: 14 New
        +2
        Gee is ten single-engine, but G-11 is an unlicensed copy of the Su-27
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 13 June 2020 20: 59 New
          -2
          1. bought a license of the Chinese. On AL31 did not buy.
          2. Wisely made a light fighter with the same engine. If we had one, now we would be modernized in the image and likeness of the Su35C.
          10 and 11 already fly with AFAR.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 21: 05 New
            +4
            Is there any evidence for this? Are you sure that the Chinese AFAR is even better than Barca?
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 13 June 2020 21: 14 New
              -3
              The reverse question is the same for you. Well, if the energy of radars is similar and this is AFAR (and this is the next generation of arrays) then there should be a definite advantage. Not as devastating as with a slot antenna, of course.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 21: 20 New
                +4
                According to Chinese radar with AFAR. Firstly, such an AFAR requires intensive cooling, and secondly, efficient operation in the multi-frequency mode (I mean such a pulse formation at which each anti-clock pulse operates at its own frequency) and the multitasking mode raises serious doubts as to whether the radiation power of the Chinese AFARs and, accordingly, the detection range are comparable with Irbis, it is doubtful somehow.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 13 June 2020 23: 13 New
                  +1
                  Well, the Americans decided this topic .... AFAR went to F15,16,18 ..... The Chinese are much dumber in Soft?
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 23: 20 New
                    +2
                    and. To what extent all these issues have been resolved, the question is complex.
                    b. The point is not software at all, but the technologies for creating radar equipment.
  • Grits
    Grits 14 June 2020 04: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Doccor18
    And what prevents the Chinese from purchasing two or three hundred T-14s too? And the parity is maintained. Su-30 was bought by both India and China.

    China rivets its tanks in unlimited quantities, of various types and purposes. And moreover, at the world level. So now honor does not allow him to buy. In Russian - to the bastard.
  • poquello
    poquello 13 June 2020 17: 51 New
    -2
    funny, t14 seems not cheap, but is there enough money?
    1. V.I.P.
      V.I.P. 13 June 2020 18: 02 New
      +3
      Enough for the Indians, see their arms purchases abroad. Poseidons, Apaches, globmasters and a bunch of weapons that are several times more expensive than Russian ones)) ... ... ... .. Only their do-it-yourself principle is incomprehensible, except for the Russian Federation no one has transferred technology to them. The only thing that 30% investment in the economy should be made by arms suppliers. Maybe this is not compensated by technology transfer .....
      1. poquello
        poquello 13 June 2020 18: 07 New
        -1
        Quote: V.I.P.
        Only their do-it-yourself principle is incomprehensible,

        garbage, will make headlights for Almaty
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 13 June 2020 21: 28 New
        -1
        Quote: V.I.P.
        Only their do-it-yourself principle is incomprehensible, except for the Russian Federation no one has transferred technology to them for anything.

        Wrong.
        Israel sells military equipment and technology to India and creates joint ventures.
        1. V.I.P.
          V.I.P. 14 June 2020 08: 58 New
          0
          And what technologies did Israel transfer and what do the joint ventures produce ??
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 14 June 2020 09: 57 New
            0
            Quote: V.I.P.
            And what technologies did Israel transfer and what do the joint ventures produce ??

            Currently, the governments of the two countries ensure the implementation of more than 30 contracts, the total amount of which exceeds $ 10 billion, representing various areas of the military-technical cooperation.
            Israel and India have a close and comprehensive military-technical cooperation, which tends to be further strengthened and expanded. This is due to the active development of R&D, as well as Tel Aviv’s willingness to transfer modern technologies and weapons to New Delhi
            "On the state of military-technical cooperation between Israel and India (2018)"
            Lieutenant Colonel D. Volkov
            http://factmil.com/publ/strana/izrail/o_sostojanii_voenno_tekhnicheskogo_sotrudnichestva_izrailja_i_indii_2018/36-1-0-1273
            1. V.I.P.
              V.I.P. 14 June 2020 14: 39 New
              -1
              Thank. I read it .. I didn’t know that they put balloons for them .. And India launches satellites for them, also news for me ... It turns out jointly artillery and for shooting ammunition they produce radio-electronic equipment for aviation .. Well, not very much. .
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 14 June 2020 15: 05 New
                0
                Quote: V.I.P.
                Thank. Read ..

                You probably haven’t read everything.
                You are not the first to choose what you like.
                I WILL HELP YOU READ WHAT YOU HAVE NOT LIKED AT ALL.
                Currently, the governments of the two countries ensure the implementation of more than 30 contracts, the total amount of which exceeds 10 billion dollars representing various areas of the military technical cooperation.
                The IAI company is implementing joint projects for the production of optoelectronic aircraft equipment with the Indian state-owned enterprise Tata. She delivers and services Falcon long-range radar detection and control systems (AWACS and U), which are installed by Indians on Russian IL-76 aircraft.
                In addition, the Israeli concern supplies in the interests of the Indian Air Force unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of the type "Heron-1", "Surcher-2", and also carries out work on their scheduled maintenance, repair and modernization.
                On the ships of the Indian Navy installed anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) Israeli production "Barack-1"
                Now the parties are conducting joint R&D to develop a new sea-based air defense system "Barak-8", which the Indian side plans to acquire for its armed forces. It is capable of hitting any air targets, including small reconnaissance UAVs.
                The parties also agreed to organize licensed production in India of 15 Israeli Dvor-type missile boats in the interests of the Navy
                Rafael Research and Production Concern participates in deliveries to India Spider short-range air defense systems equipped with the Derby missile launcher and air-to-air python-5 missiles with a thermal imaging homing head.
                In the interests of the ground forces of the country, Rafael Concern fulfills a long-term supply contract third-generation anti-tank missile systems "Spike". In total, it is planned to transfer 2 thousand launchers and 24 thousand ATGMs to the Indian army.
  • Charik
    Charik 13 June 2020 18: 10 New
    +4
    then they say that we have bad airplanes for nothing — now the tanks are discussing — well, they know everything about our equipment — about Borey-A — when they speak out
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 June 2020 18: 32 New
    -4
    laughing Right now ..... sold, how can I sell something that is not laughing trust after they buy 20 sushki laughing
    1. poquello
      poquello 13 June 2020 19: 06 New
      -3
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      laughing Right now ..... sold, how can I sell something that is not laughing trust after they buy 20 sushki laughing

      so as oil is sold on the stock exchange, there is no oil - there are contracts, but in this case, of course, these are fantasies
      from India itself, there has been no official confirmation of readiness to acquire up to 500 Russian T-14 Armata tanks at the moment
  • ser56
    ser56 13 June 2020 18: 35 New
    +2
    It would be nice to get hundreds of T-14s for the Russian Armed Forces at the expense of India ... bully
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 June 2020 18: 41 New
    -1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    They don’t need it anymore. They went to the modern level.

    We will give them a more advanced World of Tanks. laughing
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 13 June 2020 21: 00 New
      -1
      Especially for the Chinese, there is a Type59 Golden Prem Tank. Beats sales records.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 June 2020 18: 42 New
    -7
    Quote: V.I.P.
    Enough for the Indians, see their arms purchases abroad. Poseidons, Apaches, globmasters and a bunch of weapons that are several times more expensive than Russian ones)) ... ... ... .. Only their do-it-yourself principle is incomprehensible, except for the Russian Federation no one has transferred technology to them. The only thing that 30% investment in the economy should be made by arms suppliers. Maybe this is not compensated by technology transfer .....

    Did they learn how to refuel? laughing
  • rocket757
    rocket757 13 June 2020 18: 50 New
    +1
    What to write? What to write?
    Again, "joke" so the "ardent patriots" again mark their "understanding"!?!?!?
    Okay, just wait and see ... and then either the GOP and champagne, or about the journalists who hurried, let us go through criticism.
  • Mouse
    Mouse 13 June 2020 18: 53 New
    +1
    So .... about the pearl ...
    In Spanish, perla negra means black pearl, and in Russian everything is written and read in Russian! wink
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 13 June 2020 19: 05 New
    0
    Chinese military experts expressed dissatisfaction with the fact that the BT4 and VT5 PRC tanks were ignored by Vietnam in favor of the T-90S ....
    Источник: https://newinform.com/230379-national-interest-obyasnil-populyarnost-rossiiskogo-tanka-t-90s-na-mirovom-rynke?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&utm_campaign=dbr
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 13 June 2020 20: 25 New
      +9
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Chinese military experts expressed dissatisfaction with the fact that the BT4 and VT5 PRC tanks were ignored by Vietnam in favor of the T-90S ...

      In fact, they still have territorial differences, and you need to be a schizophrenic to buy tanks from your main potential enemy.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 13 June 2020 19: 11 New
    +1
    “At the same time, the author in the Chinese media expresses a kind of concern that the first foreign buyer of the latest Russian T-14 tank may be one of the main geopolitical opponents of China - India.”
    The heavier the sound of guitars, the worse for the enemy! As VIA "Cruise" taught at the dawn of distant youth.
    1. poquello
      poquello 13 June 2020 19: 17 New
      -3
      Quote: Benzorez
      "At the same time, the author in the Chinese media expresses a kind of concern that one of the main geopolitical opponents may become the first foreign buyer of the latest Russian T-14 tank China - India. "
      The heavier the sound of guitars, the worse for the enemy! As VIA "Cruise" taught at the dawn of distant youth.

      and who is the enemy?
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 13 June 2020 19: 34 New
        0
        Here is more likely fortunetelling on the coffee grounds, which of them is a friend?
        So far, in the light of recent events, I personally bet on China.
        But everything can change tomorrow ...
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 13 June 2020 20: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: Benzorez
          Here is more likely fortunetelling on the coffee grounds, which of them is a friend?

          Better not guess ... coffee is bad right now!
          1. Petrol cutter
            Petrol cutter 13 June 2020 20: 45 New
            0
            And if soluble apply ?!
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 14 June 2020 01: 03 New
              +2
              Quote: Benzorez
              And if soluble apply ?!

              Soluble? what Where is it? request
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 13 June 2020 20: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Benzorez
      the author in the Chinese media expresses a kind of concern that the first foreign buyer of the newest Russian T-14 tank could be one of the main geopolitical opponents of China - India. "

      So nothing personal! .. Only business! And why beware? There is a product ... there is a price ... the market will regulate everything!
  • Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 13 June 2020 20: 09 New
    +1
    The enemies of India say, "Do not buy Armata in any case" - so that could mean?
  • Alex Kozyrev
    Alex Kozyrev 13 June 2020 20: 12 New
    -1
    America reminds me more and more of a merchant who is accompanied by a dozen unshaven bald guys with clubs. “If you buy from competitors, we’ll beat the kidneys. Or maybe we’ll break our heads.” Just think - if the product is of high quality, you won’t have to force anyone, know the bucks. The fact that America has slipped into banal blackmail shows the real situation best. As for India ... besides the Chinese, it has Pakistan hanging on its tail. I don’t think that they will decide right now to contact China, especially with its obvious support from Russia. Looking back at the USA may turn out to be just blackmail from the “hegemon”. India has no reason to quarrel with us or the United States, and they don’t know what to do.
    1. krillon
      krillon 15 June 2020 00: 49 New
      0
      What does it mean to remind, if it is. Smedley Darlington Butler, 1881-1940, Major General of the United States Marine Corps, wrote an interesting book in 1935, "War is just racketeering." Recommend.
  • Etherion
    Etherion 13 June 2020 20: 50 New
    0
    India is far away ... China and the USA are close. If only they wouldn’t rattle the profit again. And they did not disgrace themselves with poor-quality assembly and spare parts, as was already the case with an aircraft carrier and aircraft.

    There are no friends, there are partners. Different degrees of friendliness, hostility.
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 13 June 2020 21: 06 New
    -1
    .... the Chinese are not at ease even from rumors about the supply of T-14 to the Indians. But how they poured dirt on the T-14 in order to compromise them. Only not soon we will put T-14 in our troops
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 13 June 2020 21: 36 New
    +2
    Something I doubt that it will be possible to equip Indians with such a green technique as Armata.
    When we sold them the Barak-8 anti-aircraft missile system, we had to first install, conduct training and demonstration firing at various targets on two ships at our own expense, and there each shot for 500 thousand bucks. They have been twitching their faces for a long time.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 22: 02 New
      +1
      Are you sure that we are talking about Barak-8? And then there is infa, including in Jane for the 15th year that it was Barak-1 that was put on a bunch of ships. As far as I remember, the first Barak-1 received the Godavari type. And the eight silence.

      that the Indians will be able to pair such a still green technique as Armata.


      With the Su-30MKI, for example, it happened. Although it is unlikely that they will now buy Armata.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 13 June 2020 22: 19 New
        0
        There were no problems with Barak-1. The system is old, tested, 30 years in operation. But the eight, when they were finalizing for the sea base, then the requirements were increased.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 22: 34 New
          0
          And where exactly did the eight put? And then I see that on all Indians just Barak or Barak-1 is registered.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 13 June 2020 23: 27 New
            -2
            I don’t know the details. Excuse me.fellow
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 23: 50 New
              -1
              Clear. I was just a little amazed at the mention of the Eight. That's why he specified.
  • veritas
    veritas 13 June 2020 22: 01 New
    +4
    Hindus are a difficult buyer, Su 57 did not suit them, it will be the same with Armata. While the car is damp and expensive, they will not succeed in boiling it.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 22: 36 New
      0
      it’s not even a matter of dampness, look at the “mega” tender for the purchase of 126 light fighters in exchange for the MiG-21, which ended in the purchase of 36 Rafaleys. The series Santa Barbara nervously smokes on the sidelines ...
  • APASUS
    APASUS 13 June 2020 22: 10 New
    0
    It may become, but it will not! The problem is not in the tank, but in the tricks of the Indians themselves, they will change hands three times a day and what they need to not understand
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 13 June 2020 22: 55 New
    -1
    It should be noted that from India itself there is no official confirmation of readiness to acquire up to 500 Russian T-14 Armata tanks at the moment.

    Key phrase of the article ... it looks like the article was written for the sake of the article ...
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 13 June 2020 23: 19 New
    0
    I see the people are already used to fairy tales. No hype, listless skepticism.
  • Vladislav_2
    Vladislav_2 13 June 2020 23: 51 New
    0
    with "Bedouins and theirs dances with a tambourine" you can expect anything laughing .... until they knock down the price in favor of their "pocket", they will blame and criticize this technique (regardless of the manufacturer) until the price drops yes ..... maybe they came from the great Ukrov laughing and helped them dig out the Black Sea
  • Serhio Dias_2
    Serhio Dias_2 14 June 2020 04: 43 New
    0
    The budget of the Indians is not rubber. Given the lack of specific advantages of the T14, it is better to buy 2,5 times more proven tanks for the same money.
    Even with Indian corruption, such a number will not work.
    1. Devil13
      Devil13 15 June 2020 09: 32 New
      0
      Competitive Advantages:
      1) KAZ, which increases the survival rate of any tank by 2,5 times, which usually costs half the tank, but here it is included.
      2) a normal trunk with more or less modern OBPS.
      3) reservation. At least VLD is clearly better than existing tanks
      4) Detection systems.
      5) a price comparable to the western tanks of the last generation. Those grandmothers, if you screw modern suo, sights, push modern trunks into old tanks, which did not correct their booking and past years.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 14 June 2020 07: 48 New
    0
    It would be the greatest stupidity to export a tank that has not undergone experimental operation in the army .. I know from experience that complaints about military equipment in this case are calculated in suitcases, not pieces.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 June 2020 08: 40 New
      +1
      To begin with, if you approach correctly, having production and a license for T90, you need to set up the same program as in the Russian Federation, the production of T90SM and the modernization of the existing more than 300 pieces of T90 to the level of SM. Moreover, the Indians can make the car more progressive than our T90M, because have cooperation with both Israel and France, and therefore optics and communications can deliver the most modern.
      1. Devil13
        Devil13 15 June 2020 09: 28 New
        0
        This will not cure the water penetration rate that is made possible by the main modern OBPS.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 15 June 2020 14: 04 New
          0
          Why? Replace overhead armor plates, put a new DZ .... another question: who is protected from the ATGM Cornet with 1200mm penetration?
          1. Devil13
            Devil13 17 June 2020 09: 49 New
            0
            Because the armored plates are not overhead, this is a combined "package" fused into the body, not forehead pads.
            If the cornet is 1200mm per DZ (tandem), then any car with KAZ.
            And yes, we are talking about battle options and tank-tank comparisons, don’t you be bothered that they don’t shoot cornet from the tank?
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 17 June 2020 10: 44 New
              0
              98% of tank defeats after the war were not from tanks .... and yes, I agree, the T90 will not survive the weight gain .... there’s Armata ... And Abrams and Leo are initially more powerful carts and can be heavier .
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 14 June 2020 07: 57 New
    0
    They haven’t come up with a dance for this tank yet, so far it’s written with a pitchfork on the water.
  • Devil13
    Devil13 15 June 2020 09: 27 New
    0
    Please sell it to the Indians.
    And the run-in, and a lot of dough UVZ and military-industrial complex, and maybe then at least 1k in our army will be able to put, and also upgrade