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Kiev actually came out of the Minsk agreements

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The Kiev authorities consider the Minsk Agreements to be worthless, which ended in 2015. The corresponding statement was made by Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Alexei Reznikov.


According to Reznikov, the Minsk agreements are worthless in terms of international legal relations. Their only purpose is to solve political problems, however, the validity of these agreements ended back in 2015 and Ukraine has a theoretical right to withdraw from them at any time. But for now, Kiev intends to use the Minsk agreements as a negotiation platform for the return of its territories.

I absolutely support the conclusions ... regarding worthlessness in terms of assessment as an international legal agreement of the Minsk Agreements. These are political arrangements.

- the media quoted Reznikov’s words.

Meanwhile, as previously reported, Kiev has actually already withdrawn from the Minsk agreements, appointing allegedly new representatives from the people's republics of Donbass. According to Kiev, the "occupied territories" should be represented by former residents of this territory, after the outbreak of the war in 2014 who moved to other areas, but not representatives of the LPR. Kiev does not want to have a conversation with Lugansk and Donetsk.

Russia's envoy to the Contact Group for Settlement in the East of Ukraine Boris Gryzlov has already announced the actual withdrawal of Kiev from all agreements.

Against this background, more and more rumors began to appear in the media about the imminent entry of the republics into Russia on the basis of a referendum conducted following the example of the Crimea. The news that Moscow recognizes Lugansk and Donetsk as its territory does not go from the pages of newspapers. Without commenting on them at all, one can say only one thing: - "Smoke without fire does not exist."
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 13 June 2020 10: 46
    52
    If Putin’s rating is not on the drum, he must declare that in the case of Kiev’s exit from Minsk conservatories, the republics of Donbass will automatically become part of Russia in a FULL TERRITORIAL VOLUME, that is, the Russian army is obliged to help its territories clean them from the kkv-kievsky - covert warriors!
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 13 June 2020 10: 49
      17
      Kiev authorities consider Minsk agreements worthless
      That's who you would think belay
      1. Kadum
        Kadum 13 June 2020 10: 57
        21
        Quote: Terenin
        Kiev authorities consider Minsk agreements worthless
        That's who you would think belay

        Yes, it was immediately clear, after Debaltsevsky boilers, etc. .. USA actually created it all urgently to prevent the capture of Kiev ...!
        Look, a very significant photo of that time ..
        ..
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 13 June 2020 11: 09
          31
          The photo is not complete.
          1. Kadum
            Kadum 13 June 2020 11: 21
            -3
            Quote: URAL72
            The photo is not complete.

            But the tolerant)))) What Waltzman with their hands at the bottom of the back shows left overs .. lol laughing Everything fell under the table ..
            Zelensky probably senses how this will all end for him ..
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 13 June 2020 12: 24
              +2
              Quote: Kadum
              What Waltzman shows with his hands at the bottom of his back remains behind the scenes.

              When the hands are shaking, they cannot show anything.
          2. Igoresha
            Igoresha 13 June 2020 12: 42
            -12 qualifying.
            The photo is not complete.
            photo extremely lizoblyudskoe
          3. d.zhuk2010
            d.zhuk2010 13 June 2020 22: 15
            +8
            [/ quote] [quote = URAL72] The photo is not complete.


            And so?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 June 2020 12: 23
          +1
          Quote: Kadum
          Look, a very significant photo of the time.

          Significant photo, nice to see.
      2. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 13 June 2020 11: 22
        14
        If Putin’s rating is not on the drum, he must declare that in the case of Kiev’s exit from Minsk conservatories, the republics of Donbass will automatically become part of Russia in a FULL TERRITORIAL VOLUME, that is, the Russian army is obliged to help its territories clean them from the kkv-kievsky - covert warriors!
        Hush ... do not scare ukrov, let them go. If they come out officially, then they will definitely untie the hands of Donbass and Russia.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 June 2020 12: 13
          +4
          Quote: Rostov Dad
          If they come out officially, then they will definitely untie the hands of Donbass and Russia.

          And nothing will happen.
          Russia, like Europe, will lead everything to the option of Transnistria.
          Europeans, however, will be offended by Kiev, but not much

          Joining Russia? Impossible, we won’t pull. Just as Transnistria, Abkhazia and South Ossetia did not pull, de facto independent states are currently.
          1. Rostov Papa
            Rostov Papa 13 June 2020 12: 45
            12
            And nothing will happen.
            I hope you are mistaken.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 June 2020 12: 51
              +6
              Quote: Rostov Dad
              And nothing will happen.
              I hope you are mistaken.

              To this they went initially.
              Actually, Kiev understood this, and that is why all these shelling continues - they are trying in this way to prevent freezing of the conflict. Which would suit both Moscow and Europe.
              For even there, despite all the statements, they understand that the milk poured onto the floor cannot be pushed back into the bottle
          2. Romey
            Romey 13 June 2020 12: 53
            -26 qualifying.
            Yeah .. That’s the logic, gentlemen. Russia will not pull Russia however. However, in something you are right. The Russian Federation does not really pull Russia and the main thing is not going to do it. This is all you need to know about Putin's official patriotism and its adherents.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 13: 06
              +9
              Quote: romey
              That's all you need to know about Putin's official patriotism and its adherents.

              Agitators ... they are - agitators request laughing
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 June 2020 16: 29
              15
              Quote: romey
              This is all you need to know about Putin's official patriotism and its adherents.

              Blah blah blah.....
              A complete lack of thoughts is all you need to know about opposition agitators.

              Because you are forced to immediately try to get personal.
              Break off.
              1. Romey
                Romey 13 June 2020 19: 37
                +1
                But your thoughts just heaped. Are we pulling Syria? Pull. Pull Libya? While pulling. Venezuela pulled? Pulled. Pull all of Central Asia through migrant workers? Pull. But you see the Russians they will not pull, offshore patriots by the leg. So which of us is some kind of agitator there? Ugh. Hypocrites with Ponte ...
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 13 June 2020 19: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: romey
                  Are we pulling Syria? Pull. Pull Libya? While pulling.

                  And they nearly collapsed with Crimea.
                  And you don't have to scream in a capricious manner "we don't care about these sanctions"

                  Quote: romey
                  So which of us is some kind of agitator there?

                  You are an agitator. And so-so.
                  1. Romey
                    Romey 13 June 2020 20: 05
                    -2
                    Why not an agent of the State Department? So it would be more familiar ... I rarely comment on local topics related to the murdered you
                    Russian spring and Donbass, but here your hypocrisy is simply enraged. We will collapse not from sanctions, but from the Yeltsin-Putin colonial-comprador policy smoothly flowing into ordinary insanity. In short, I understood you perfectly. You do not care about your people. There is only one wish: to stop dirtying the name of Russia, which does not have a shame, but to call a spade a spade, i.e. The Russian Federation, which has no relation either to Russia itself or to the USSR. Wrong caliber and quality. Now, gentlemen, Putinists can sleep and throw thunder and lightning.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 20: 47
                      -3
                      Quote: romey
                      Why not an agent of the State Department?

                      They called you an agitator, so as not to speak literally, who you really are. By no means an "agent of the State Department", by the way yes
                      1. Romey
                        Romey 13 June 2020 21: 52
                        0
                        You, dear dog, as an old acquaintance and part-time local sycophant, once again I ask you to put the railroad tie and strolling further. With regards to the rest of the Putinists .... Guys, I understand, touched you for the living. If I used to make fun of you more, now I just despise. Emotionless. Therefore, do not be shy, we sleep more actively. Well, a pisikot can also make a complaint to the admin. He is not the first time. The first troll and the boor of the resource after all. True, Kat Man Zero, Jack is now torn.
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 22: 01
                        -2
                        Quote: romey
                        First troll and resource boom after all

                        If the troll is the one who kicks the local liberd, then, yes, I am the troll. As for rudeness and primacy in it - in my opinion, you flatter me laughing

                        Quote: romey
                        ... dear dog ... of a local sycophant ... I ask you to jail further ... a scribble ...

                        I would have already left for the ban. No options yes
                      3. Romey
                        Romey 13 June 2020 22: 10
                        -2
                        And now the moment of truth: if you, doggie, present at least one of my quotes to the studio, proving my attitude to the supporters of monetarism, gaydar-chubaysyatiny and other attributes of the so-called liberds, I will publicly, in whatever form you propose, apologize to you, your supporters and personally beloved leader Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. If not, it will be proof that you are at least a liar. Is going?
                      4. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 22: 14
                        -6
                        Quote: romey
                        monetarism, gaydar-chubaysyatiny and other attributes of the so-called liberds

                        Refine the list of "other attributes" as you understand it. Then I will do the same.

                        By the way, I’ve never really studied you seriously. Why, in fact, did you get the idea that it is about you? The hat is on fire, is it not otherwise? wink

                        PS: with the terminology more careful, plz ... I do not like.
                      5. Romey
                        Romey 13 June 2020 22: 30
                        -1
                        You called me a liberda, because I called you a troll. Especially a hint of a hat. I demanded evidence. Everything is simple. In the end, we are old virtual friends already from the age of 17, although I don’t feel the pleasure of communicating with you, which I emphasize, politely, have repeatedly notified. At least without attributes, can you confirm your words?
                      6. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 22: 33
                        -5
                        Quote: romey
                        You called me Liberty ...

                        Quote here. Otherwise, the question may arise, and which of us is actually a troll.

                        Pretending to be speculation as an opponent’s thoughts is a typical troll call ... buddy yes
                      7. Romey
                        Romey 13 June 2020 22: 46
                        -1
                        If the troll kicks the local liberd, then I yes, the troll. Your quote? Since you are doing this regularly here, with regard not only to me, but also to my like-minded people, it is more than logical to assume that I, in particular, am a representative of the liberda. Such a statement of the question will suit you. How slippery are you? Or immediately roll a complaint, as in April 18?
                      8. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 23: 08
                        -3
                        Your quoting is bad, I will help you, so be it:

                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        If the troll is the one who kicks the local liberd, then, yes, I am the troll

                        Quote: romey
                        .... it is more than logical to assume that I, in particular, am a representative of a liberde ...

                        Um, an interesting thought ... I have not thought about this yet. Somehow, at leisure, in a while ...

                        In the meantime, you have a false start, buddy. Try again, on occasion. Just try not to be rude - right, these movements here are pretty tightly tracked yes
      3. Lopatov
        Lopatov 13 June 2020 22: 03
        +4
        Quote: romey
        Why not an agent of the State Department?

        You overestimate yourself laughing

        Quote: romey
        You do not care about your people.

        No. I fought for him.

        Quote: romey
        but here your hypocrisy is simply enraged.

        Hypocrisy, pathos, divorced from reality propaganda from you.
        I have the truth. And in fact you cannot argue.


        Quote: romey
        There is only one wish: to stop dirtying the name of Russia, which does not have a shame, but to call a spade a spade, i.e. The Russian Federation, which has no relation either to Russia itself or to the USSR. Wrong caliber and quality. Now, gentlemen, Putinists can sleep and throw thunder and lightning.

        The rally ....
        And will there be something on the topic?

        There is a fact: since the days of the USSR, we are increasingly integrating ourselves into the global economy. And now they are very dependent on this world economy.
        There is a fact: contrary to your hatreds, sanctions have sensibly hit our economy
        There is a fact: the accession of Donbass to Russia will definitely lead to new sanctions, even tougher.

        Do you have anything to say about these facts? No. You felt at the rally. And you think that pathos can replace arguments.

        But it is not.
        1. Romey
          Romey 13 June 2020 22: 19
          0
          Then let me, what the hell then is all this pathos, if it turns out that we can’t do anything, although this is not so at all? We can, a lot of things we can. Historical experience is on my side. The problem is that we don’t want to. Not even you, but those for whom you wholeheartedly.
          By the way, I also have some merit.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 June 2020 22: 34
          0
          Quote: romey
          Then let me, what the hell then all this pathos

          I do not know. It is necessary to ask you

          Quote: romey
          The problem is that we don’t want to.

          laughing
          When I can’t scratch the back of my head with my heel, it doesn’t matter whether I want it or not. The question is exclusively the flexibility of my ligaments.

          Quote: romey
          Not even you, but those for whom you wholeheartedly.

          laughing laughing laughing
          The last election I went to was the 1996 election. And that was only because I was in college at that time.
          It is you "for someone with all your heart."
          But I don't care.

          Besides pathos, you have one more problem. You have read the truth. You really hate it, but you think that by accusing your opponent of sympathizing with Putin, you will turn this truth into a lie. How is the classic? "What can the lame say about the art of Herbert von Karayan? If he is immediately told that he is lame, he recognizes himself defeated" laughing
        3. Romey
          Romey 13 June 2020 22: 56
          +1
          Dear, the truth is that your leader, whom you support (from most of your comments, I came to this conclusion, and you went there somewhere or not, it doesn’t matter) betrayed the Russian people of Donbass by signing the Minsk agreement, doomed him to permanent a meat grinder without any hope for the future, having all the possibilities to solve this problem in 2014. This alone is enough. For other abominations, the conversation is separate.
    2. EMMM
      EMMM 14 June 2020 10: 38
      -1
      There is a fact - I was born in Severodonetsk.
      I can’t even go to my father’s grave, I can’t hug my mother (she’s still alive), sister, son-in-law with my niece.
      But this is lyrics. Ukraine will fall apart by itself, because her patron today has serious problems.
      To accept or not to accept the breakaway republics is a question of principle: is the gut weak in the Russian state.
      Yes, with regard to Transnistria, Abkhazia and Ossetia, we did not have the opportunity to meet the wishes of their citizens (although Russian passports are issued to them).
      The option of joining LDNR to Russia looks the most probable, but (in case this happens within the current operational borders) I will forever forget about the idea of ​​visiting the places where I was born.
  • Alex777
    Alex777 13 June 2020 15: 08
    +9
    Joining Russia? Impossible, we won’t pull.

    The fact that the entry of LDNR (within its current borders) into Russia is impossible - here I agree with you.
    But not because we won’t pull something there.
    We need all the Russian lands that were transferred to Ukraine after its entry into the USSR.
    And Odessa, and Nikolaev, and Kherson, and Mariupol, and Kharkov, and Dnepropetrovsk, and others.
    It just won't be. There are no illusions. Many events still have to happen.
    But this is something that must be done. In the meantime, wait. hi
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 June 2020 16: 25
      +2
      Quote: Alex777
      But not because we won’t pull something there.

      Do not pull.
      To do this, you must have another economy that is not so vulnerable to sanctions.
      We and Crimea with great difficulty pulled out ...

      New economy, then think. In Ossetia, Abkhazia and beyond.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 13 June 2020 17: 44
        +1
        And the fundamental difference is to take only the Crimea or take the Crimea and something else from Ukraine?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 June 2020 18: 09
          +4
          Quote: alexmach
          And the fundamental difference is to take only the Crimea or take the Crimea and something else from Ukraine?

          And the fundamental difference, how to chop a cat’s tail, all at once, or humanely by a centimeter per day?
          We didn’t dare immediately, now we’ll definitely not pull it.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 13 June 2020 18: 16
        -3
        Another economy ?! Just not with the current leaders .. More precisely with the current socio-political system.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 June 2020 18: 21
          -2
          Quote: 210ox
          Another economy ?! Just not with the current leaders .. More precisely with the current socio-political system.

          Well, yes.
          Everything suits the current ones.
          1. Amin_vivec
            Amin_vivec 13 June 2020 18: 37
            0
            so they want to change the constitution, still happy))))))))
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 June 2020 18: 48
              +3
              Quote: Amin_Vivec
              so they want to change the constitution, still happy))))))))

              Did you read it?
              Or is it not necessary to read it to fight for the holy legacy of Drunken Bori?
              1. Amin_vivec
                Amin_vivec 13 June 2020 19: 09
                +8
                read, and by type of activity memorized sales. And I will vote for the amendments.
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 June 2020 19: 18
                -3
                Quote: Amin_Vivec
                And I will vote for the amendments.

                But not me.
                It makes no sense as long as "The severity of Russian laws is mitigated by the non-binding nature of their execution" (c) M.E.S.-Shch
  • revnagan
    revnagan 13 June 2020 20: 48
    0
    Quote: Alex777
    We need all the land

    And the key to the apartment? Where is the money, is it not needed? Maybe you have already mastered all your "Far Eastern hectares" and gasified all the small towns? No, guys, what fell from the cart is gone. There is neither Russia nor the USSR (alas) , so nothing you will break off. You would have desired the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, and the temple of Hagia Sophia in addition to Alaska. As the heirs of the "second Rome". Such a funny, almost childish spontaneity .... Simplicity is worse than theft.
    1. CommanderDIVA
      CommanderDIVA 13 June 2020 21: 01
      -2
      Live and enjoy life, comrades from the former USSR, all of Europe in front of you, build your country, enjoy life
      1. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 13 June 2020 22: 29
        0
        Quote: CommanderDIVA
        Live and enjoy life, comrades from the former USSR, all of Europe in front of you, build your country, enjoy life
        Well, I don’t know how to formulate it more precisely ?! ... But more and more I get the feeling that for now "puppeteers" managed to divide and quarrel the former: the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, the BSSR (and the citizens living on them, although probably Kazakhstanskaya too, probably) And here we are, unable to connect (reviving, first of all, commercial and industrial cooperationand accordingly expanding primarily the joint domestic market) ... And something tells us that before such a unification, "full length"no sister / brother (republic / country / people), alone will not rise .... (!).
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 14 June 2020 19: 48
      -2
      There is neither that Russia, nor the USSR (alas)

      And you, in fact, where do you live?
      I forgot to mention your city? wink
      As for "no USSR", it is fixable. There would be a desire.
      Or could your oligarchs prove that Russians and Ukrainians are not one nation? So I can understand them. It’s easier for them to jam people.
      And the future belongs to unification. No matter how unreal it seemed now. hi
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 14 June 2020 20: 00
        +1
        Quote: Alex777
        Or your oligarchs could prove that Russians and Ukrainians are not one people

        These are your oligarchs, and the president, and even ordinary inhabitants and compatriots, with persistence worthy of better use, nevertheless proved to me that Russians and Ukrainians are not one people, and the Russians in Ukraine are sheer traitors, Mazepa and Bandera, if they do not wish well RF at the expense of Ukraine. "You told me for so long that I am a human being, that I myself believed in it." What can I have in common with people like Golovan Jack. The Russian Federation is the majority. But I am not like that. It means that we are not one people.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 14 June 2020 20: 05
          -1
          And the Russians in Ukraine are solid traitors, mazeps and Bandera, if they do not want the good of the Russian Federation at the expense of Ukraine.

          Well, since you're so smart, tell me (half Ukrainian) what Russia got from Ukraine? What do you mean "at the expense of Ukraine"?
          You have lived at the expense of Russia for decades. I worked closely with Gazprom. I know how Tymoshenko became a "gas princess" and so on. etc.
          But what Ukraine gave Russia - tell us. Your hour of glory!
          Just don't forget - you are not Mowgli, and I am not Sherkhan. (. "You have been telling me for so long that I am a human being, that I myself have believed it").
  • bayard
    bayard 13 June 2020 23: 07
    +3
    Quote: Spade
    Impossible, we won’t pull.

    Pull ... Pull ... AND PUSH. smile
    Russia already pays pensions and allowances to LDNR, and when enterprises start working ... Do not forget that Donetsk Region. was a donor of the Ukrainian budget - up to 25% of the budget of Ukraine before the coup.
    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 13 June 2020 23: 58
      +3
      Quote: bayard
      Pull ... Pull ... AND PUSH
      I welcome you my optimistic friend hi !!
      Quote: bayard
      Do not forget that the Donetsk region. was a donor of the Ukrainian budget - up to 25% of the budget of Ukraine
      don't bury yourself smile our area cheated not much smaller than yours (if less**) yes . (!).
      Quote: bayard
      and when the enterprises start working ...
      I would like, but soon, hardly ... winked
      As you wish in СUnion Сaquatic СLyavian РRepublic (!). fellow yes
      1. bayard
        bayard 14 June 2020 01: 23
        +2
        Quote: Vl Nemchinov
        As you wish in the Union of Free Slavic Republics (!) ...

        It will come true. yes bully
        Quote: Vl Nemchinov
        don’t bury ourselves; our area is not much less yours (if less **) ... (!).

        And I also know about your area. smile
        Therefore, I always say that the Small and New Russia will not be the financial yoke for Great Russia. There will be a synergistic effect. There will be mutual filling. Mutual enrichment and increase of stability exponentially.
        The laws of time have entered into force and now everything is changing.
        hi bully yes
  • 210ox
    210ox 13 June 2020 18: 14
    +1
    Do not scare ostriches? ... But this canoe can not continue indefinitely ..
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 13 June 2020 12: 21
    0
    Quote: Terenin
    That's who you would think

    This all went, for a reason, they replaced Zelensky instead of Parashenki.
  • Terenin
    Terenin 13 June 2020 10: 51
    +9
    Quote: Thrifty
    in their cleansing from the KKV-Kiev-punitive military!

    it's complicated, easier - Bandera
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 13 June 2020 10: 59
      +2
      Will active hostilities begin again? In Kukuev - Get Out Of The Mind! Another nail - in the Ukrainian statehood, which is so practically gone ...
      Russia needs to make a Tough Political Statement ... and openly (for starters) supply LDN Weapons!
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 13 June 2020 11: 18
        +8
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Another nail - in Ukrainian statehood

        after "nail in" missing word "coffin" winked
      2. HUNTERDON
        HUNTERDON 13 June 2020 12: 13
        +5
        Hard Political, - shortly ZhP.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 June 2020 12: 25
        +3
        Quote: Hunter 2
        In Kukuev - Get Out Of The Mind!

        If there was a mind, then maybe they would have left it.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 13 June 2020 11: 01
      +8
      Kiev actually came out of the Minsk agreements

      And what thoughts will the "architect (ditch)" of "Minsk" have now?
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 13 June 2020 11: 31
        +5
        Quote: Insurgent

        And what thoughts will the "architect (ditch)" of "Minsk" have now?

        If you carefully read the "Minsk agreements", it becomes obvious who was the architect (author) of these agreements. The author did not leave the piglet with a choice - either create a Ukrainian federation without resistance, or resist, but you will still come to the Ukrainian federation and that is at least. The shepherds ordered the piglets to follow the second path. And they went. Nobody knows how it will end. For Russia, an advantageous option, at this stage, is the Ukrainian Federal Republic.
        These are just my guesses.
        I will not voice my desires, out of pity for the vulnerable souls of some "workers".
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 13 June 2020 11: 36
          +5
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          I will not voice my desires, out of pity for the vulnerable souls of some "workers".


          It's a pity...

          It would be useful to understand in depth your point of view and see the reaction to it, as you put it, "workers".
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 June 2020 12: 27
          -1
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          I will not voice my desires, out of pity for the vulnerable souls of some "workers".

          Support.
        3. EMMM
          EMMM 14 June 2020 10: 44
          0
          Unfortunately, it is excluded ...
      2. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 13 June 2020 12: 05
        +4
        Quote: Insurgent
        And what thoughts will the "architect (ditch)" of "Minsk" have now?

        As usual in the current "times", without strengthening the foundation, build another floor on top.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 13 June 2020 12: 08
          +3
          Quote: DED_peer_DED
          As usual in the current "times", without strengthening the foundation, build another floor on top.

          You seem to be right. Kremlin policy recalls just such a process.

          But in this case, their dill is cement, "braces", rested ...

          What, then, do the "architect" and "foremen" intend to do?
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 13 June 2020 11: 07
    -7
    didn’t you think that Kiev is pushing us to do this now, which would finally finish off sanctions? SP 2 will be covered with a copper basin at least. which Kiev needs.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 13 June 2020 11: 19
      -2
      It is said after all that sanctions only benefit.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 13 June 2020 13: 01
        -5
        use is a voluminous concept. pain in the human body is also beneficial. fear is also good. Fasting is also sometimes beneficial. In the future, it is. that's just the people we have sat under sanctions for several years and all. fuse is over. this is quite clearly visible in VO.
        1. kjhg
          kjhg 13 June 2020 13: 52
          +6
          Quote: carstorm 11
          that's just the people we have sat under sanctions for several years and all. fuse is over. this is quite clearly visible in VO.

          Dmitry, you are deliberately manipulating the facts. Our people are ready to endure a lot when they see what is needed for the country. And how is it going with us? Russian ruling authorities and big business use sanctions for taking money from the population in the form of a pension robbery, increasing the general tax and fiscal burden on the people, as well as on small and medium-sized businesses. As a result, we see a continuous decline in household incomes for the 7th consecutive year! The authorities cannot propose any measures to rectify this situation. And at the same time, representatives of this very government and big capital, income and wealth are increasing. It is necessary to get rich together with the people, and not at the expense of its impoverishment. The size of the budget plunder reached astronomical indicators. And the main ugliness still vilely abused the main law of the country, common sense and our future. Do you also blame us for the fact that we are running out of patience? What is it if not bullying on your part?
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 13 June 2020 16: 28
            +3
            Can I have no rallies? I understand that stealing a budget is an eternal topic. that's just a long time ago. you apparently did not encounter the fact that now gray and especially black money is impossible to cash. that the nuts are tightened so much in recent years that even trying something out of budget money oh how hard. all who used to do this as a devil from incense dismiss such operations. how do you know about stealing budget money? from which sources? from the reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB on the detention of the next wise guy? do not you think that it is precisely these detentions and criminal cases that are the struggle against this phenomenon? the fact that some people have huge heaps of cash do you think for what reason? and nowhere to put them. legalize. almost impossible. banks track any transactions. just something is knocked out of statistics or schemes right there the accounts are blocked and go prove where you got this money from. As for your future, I sympathize. on the contrary, I see my own and my family as excellent.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 June 2020 18: 31
            -2
            Quote: kjhg
            And the main ugliness still vilely abused the main law of the country, common sense and our future.

            Abused the saint !!!!
            For the sake of this Constitution, Yeltsin shot his own Parliament with tanks, and he ...
            laughing laughing laughing
            Thrash guys ... I’m completely tearing you off the cuts.
          3. EMMM
            EMMM 14 June 2020 10: 49
            0
            The main law is not socks that can be changed to match the color of the shoes.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 14 June 2020 11: 31
              0
              Quote: EMMM
              The main law is not socks that can be changed to match the color of the shoes.

              But not so unshakable that it can not be improved.
              I'm not talking about the current amendments, if that.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 13 June 2020 11: 28
      11
      Quote: carstorm 11
      didn’t you think that Kiev is pushing us to do this now, which would finally finish off sanctions? SP 2 will be covered with a copper basin at least. which Kiev needs.

      Dmitry, your concern is understandable, but for sanctions against SP-2 they will find 100500 reasons.
      For example, the winked in Russia, winter came too early (late) ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 13 June 2020 12: 58
        0
        it’s not one thing. this is just an example. does it make sense to fall into the traps of these unfinished ones?
    3. Suslin
      Suslin 13 June 2020 11: 30
      +4
      So the SP-2 is more needed not by Russia but by "Western partners".
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 13 June 2020 13: 02
        +2
        yes with a fig? each side has its own interests and profit ..
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 13 June 2020 13: 07
    +6
    Thrifty, Putin doesn't have to say anything. My opinion is that you need to wait (if you need to "help") when Ukraine will violate Minsk 2 to the point of no possibility (for example, it will go on the offensive against Donbass) and return Donbass to its "home harbor". It is necessary to finally determine the territorial location of Donbass - 1) Donbass in Ukraine, 2) Donbass is independent, 3) Donbass is a part of Russia ... The world will be - after the Victory!
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 13 June 2020 13: 30
    +1
    Quote: Thrifty
    If Putin’s rating is not on the drum, he must declare that in the case of Kiev’s exit from the Minsk consortiums, the republics of Donbass will automatically become part of Russia IN FULL TERRITORIAL VOLUME

    The entry into Russia is, of course, a distant prospect that does not depend on Putin and the opinions of Internet users, but only on the desire of the inhabitants of these republics. But it is necessary to officially recognize LDNR as independent, like Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Unfortunately, the issue of joining Russia in these republics was not raised in the referendum (unlike the Crimea), the question was only about SELF-DETERMINATION and independence from Kiev. It was their mistake. IMHO
    1. Aleks2048
      Aleks2048 13 June 2020 19: 02
      -7
      only from the desire of the inhabitants of these republics

      But we do not want to ask citizens of the Russian Federation? Do you need cattle and rogue from the Donbas in the Russian Federation? Do citizens of the Russian Federation want to chip in money to restore two areas?
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 13 June 2020 20: 29
        +3
        Quote: Alex2048
        But we do not want to ask citizens of the Russian Federation? Do you need cattle and rogue from the Donbas in the Russian Federation? Do citizens of the Russian Federation want to chip in money to restore two areas?

        When Crimea was annexed, no one asked your opinion. And this is good. Otherwise, people like you would go for diarrhea. Well, the money you pulled out of your pocket. negative I wonder how much money you personally gave to restore Crimea?
        1. Aleks2048
          Aleks2048 13 June 2020 23: 19
          -2
          When Crimea was annexed, no one asked your opinion.

          Unfortunately really did not ask.
          I wonder how much money you personally gave to restore Crimea?

          Personally, I did not give ... I did not get from the state. And as you know, not to make it the same as stealing ...
          And then a counter question, did you wonder how much we lost in defense capability? So how much reinforcement is underfunded? How many SU-57s haven't been built? Maybe everything is just superb with the Russian fleet? Well, okay, maybe let's move from the beautiful to the prose of life ... What about the retirement age? Maybe in the social sphere of the Russian Federation everything is just super, or some kind of benefits have been poured down to organize a business (we do not take into account a very large one, where the state really participates, but not because of financial surplus in the budget, but rather because the leaders of such a business are to the group of "special" confidants)?
          Otherwise, people like you would go for diarrhea.

          As if with such an economy from "macaroshkas" everyone got diarrhea ... lol
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 23: 46
            -3
            Quote: Alex2048
            how much defense did we lose?

            It's you in vain, IMHO. Crimea is the control of the Black Sea. Would there be a base there now (someone else's) - no Armats would compensate for this.

            Everything else - about pensions-economy-macaroni - is on your conscience.
            1. Aleks2048
              Aleks2048 14 June 2020 01: 00
              -2
              Would there be a base there now (someone else's) - no Armats would compensate for this.

              From the borders of Poland, for example, to Moscow closer ... recourse
              Everything else - about pensions-economy-macaroni - is on your conscience.

              If only on my conscience I would have experienced this easily ... The problem is that if you break away from the monitor, it’s not on conscience, but outside the window in the real world. repeat
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 14 June 2020 03: 24
                0
                would not survive in the long run. you forget that the state has red lines that each outlines as its interests. even if you forget that the loss of the Crimea is a loss of control over the Black Sea, if you allow this, then you can continue to do so. the entire European part of the country becomes completely vulnerable. you are talking about the real world, so this is it. there are strategic interests. without them you are not a state but a settlement. your liberal chatter only proves once again that from stupidity to betrayal is less than one step. give everything and everything will be fine in the world does not work. what will you live without in the future? without an army?
                1. Aleks2048
                  Aleks2048 14 June 2020 09: 12
                  0
                  you are talking about the real world, so this is it. there are strategic interests. without them you are not a state but a settlement. your liberal chatter only proves once again that from stupidity to betrayal is less than one step.

                  OK. I’ll look at your reaction when nuclear weapons or at least dual-use systems are deployed in Poland. Who then will we call a traitor and will it be a go-ahead for a preemptive strike on Polish territory? So do not worry, our overly liberal government will do nothing but concern in the person of Lavrov.
                  what will you live without in the future? without an army?

                  Did I somehow somehow in my posts not notice the calls to live without an army? Maybe if it does not make it difficult to quote from mine where I called for this? So that the specifics were for your false allegations and write me in the liberals.
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 14 June 2020 08: 04
            0
            Quote: Alex2048
            I did not get from the state.

            How much, specifically, have you gotten into?
            1. Aleks2048
              Aleks2048 14 June 2020 12: 18
              -1
              How much, specifically, have you gotten into?

              At least the amount already invested by the Russian Federation in Crimea since 2014, plus the cost of sanctions.
              And can you justify that this amount could not be more rationally spent on the development of the Russian economy?
              1. Suslin
                Suslin 14 June 2020 16: 38
                -2
                Something you coolly evaluate yourself, you need to be more modest, then the guns will come to you!
          3. EMMM
            EMMM 14 June 2020 11: 21
            0
            Judging by your comment, you are not a military man at all. But, I will ask the question: how do you assess the possibility of basing US destroyers with a range of up to 5000 km (according to the old INF) in Sevastopol?
            1. Aleks2048
              Aleks2048 14 June 2020 12: 16
              0
              How do you assess the possibility of basing US destroyers with a range of up to 5000 km (according to the old INF) in Sevastopol?

              Just like in a radius of 5000 km.
      2. EMMM
        EMMM 14 June 2020 10: 50
        0
        Look in the mirror!
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 14 June 2020 11: 35
        0
        Quote: Alex2048
        Are cattle and rogue animals needed in the Russian Federation

        Well, the issue of cattle has not yet been discussed. And if it will be discussed, are you sure that you will not fall into their category?
        1. Aleks2048
          Aleks2048 14 June 2020 12: 15
          0
          Well, the issue of cattle has not yet been discussed. And if it will be discussed, are you sure that you will not fall into their category?

          And you?
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 14 June 2020 12: 39
            0
            Quote: Alex2048
            Well, the issue of cattle has not yet been discussed. And if it will be discussed, are you sure that you will not fall into their category?
            And you?

            I won’t get there. Because I respect the people of Donbass. And if I use this expression, then only personally.
  • stalki
    stalki 13 June 2020 13: 38
    +4
    If Putin’s rating is not on the drum, he must declare that in the case of Kiev’s exit from Minsk conservatories, the republics of Donbass will automatically become part of Russia in a FULL TERRITORIAL VOLUME, that is, the Russian army is obliged to help its territories clean them from the kkv-kievsky - covert warriors!
    Things are not in the ranking, the matter is in the choice. So if from the outside, then we need iron teeth, well, or eggs in Russian. But we don’t know everything, and nobody will share information with us. What is brewing there, how they will act, one can only guess and swear. Let's hope that Donbass will not become our disgrace.
  • Dmitry Makarov
    Dmitry Makarov 13 June 2020 13: 47
    -4
    Putin just needs to give Donetsk the go-ahead for cleaning Kiev from raguli, the Ukrainian people will applaud.
    1. Romey
      Romey 13 June 2020 14: 43
      +3
      Are you sure that Donetsk, in their current form, will succeed? It is doubtful that the forces and means of the "Corps" will be enough to repel the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And the Kremlin itself is not going to do this, stubbornly holding on to the Minsk pipifax. With the same success, they can be given the go-ahead to clean up Washington
  • Tomich3
    Tomich3 13 June 2020 17: 05
    -1
    Yes, his rating has long been below the plinth
  • Victor67
    Victor67 13 June 2020 18: 07
    -2
    And you can also take Somalia into Russia, dig a tunnel there, start paying pensions and benefits, build roads and other infrastructure. And our pensions in Russia, from 12 thousand can be cut to 5, our old people still die soon ...
  • Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 13 June 2020 18: 58
    -2
    Against this background, more and more rumors began to appear in the media about the imminent entry of the republics into Russia on the basis of a referendum conducted following the example of the Crimea. The news that Moscow recognizes Lugansk and Donetsk as its territory does not go from the pages of newspapers. Without commenting on them at all, one can say only one thing: - "Smoke without fire does not exist."

    Donbas can live as it sees fit, but not as part of the Russian Federation.
    Donbass republics automatically included in Russia

    I hope the conscious citizens of the Russian Federation really take up arms and help the Russian army
    The Russian army is obliged to help its territories clean them up

    From the allegedly newly arrived Russians from among the former residents of Donbas.
    But seriously, why should the Russian Federation take the composition of TWO destroyed areas and even with the population. I hope that in the event of such an automatic joining, there will be a set of volunteers to clean from the residents of two new regions in the Russian Federation and even for the personnel cleaning of the government of the Russian Federation which allowed budget squandering for beggars and sloths from Donbas in such a difficult time for the economy.
    1. EMMM
      EMMM 14 June 2020 10: 59
      0
      The time for the economy is not the best, but we need to think about people.
      By the way, I can remind you of an interesting event in the history of Russia - the Battle of Kalka - if you do not know, return to the 4th grade of high school.
      And only moral can call people who find themselves in a difficult life situation!
  • revnagan
    revnagan 13 June 2020 20: 37
    -1
    Quote: Thrifty
    Republic of Donbass automatic

    Yeah, "machine gun". Shchaz. Putin can say anything in Russia and about Russia, but on the territory of Ukraine he is no one to call him, so nothing shines for him here, and do not even wash, there will be no water. The occupier and the aggressor will receive a war, (including and on its territory), in comparison with which all the Chechen campaigns will seem like a pitiful parody of childish maneuvers.
    1. CommanderDIVA
      CommanderDIVA 13 June 2020 21: 12
      -2
      Nobody will go to war with you from Russia, it’s not productive, and the anti-Russian ideological training of the entire population of Ukraine causes a grin, when you stop financing your power from a puddle, all Zelensky, Poroshensky, Biletsky and other clowns will tear apart from Nenko, then you Makhnovism begins, followed by the introduction of peacekeepers from neighboring countries (guess which ones) and the further division of your country and the correction of the Bolsheviks’ mistakes, so pray for the ramp and its loot
  • SOF
    SOF 15 June 2020 10: 39
    0
    Quote: Thrifty
    If Putin's rating is not on the drum, he must declare .....

    ..... here in no case should this be stated ...... otherwise, THIS will continue until the end of the world ..... on the contrary, it is necessary to push Kuev to denounce, and then play in fact .....
  • Ilya-spb
    Ilya-spb 13 June 2020 10: 47
    +4
    Well .... It's time to prepare a new Pereyaslav Rada.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 13 June 2020 11: 13
      -2
      I’m afraid it won’t work out anymore ... And it won’t work out for a long time ....
  • avia12005
    avia12005 13 June 2020 10: 49
    +9
    The main task of the West is to make the Russians in the territory of the so-called Ukraine cease to feel Russian, while it is being successfully carried out. AND...?
    1. Kadum
      Kadum 13 June 2020 10: 59
      -13 qualifying.
      Quote: avia12005
      The main task of the West is to make the Russians in the territory of the so-called Ukraine cease to feel Russian, while it is being successfully carried out. AND...?

      They feel like hell, like in Syria and Iraq .. (excuse me. For harshness)
    2. cniza
      cniza 13 June 2020 12: 09
      +2
      Quote: avia12005
      The main task of the West is to make the Russians in the territory of the so-called Ukraine cease to feel Russian, while it is being successfully carried out. AND...?


      Unfortunately, you are right ...
  • Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 13 June 2020 10: 56
    17
    Moreover, in 2014 it was necessary to all of New Russia, that is, Kharkov, Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions to be annexed to Russia. Without these industrially developed areas, and without access to the seas, Ukraine automatically turns into a decisive dwarf country like Slovakia. From the economic and geopolitical point of view, for the country's sovereignty, the main thing is access to the ice-free sea, and Ukraine without access to the sea, surrounded by countries with which it has managed to quarrel with everyone: Russia, Poland, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Belarus, is simply doomed to economic death. No wonder the United States staged a maidan, since it was planned to drive the Russian fleet out of the Crimea with the help of the new Bendery power and build its bases there, on the site of the Russian fleet. It was also Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia that were quickly admitted to NATO, since the Baltic states are the key to the Baltic Sea for Russia, and the United States accepted these sprats into NATO only to cut off Russia from access to the sea. The same thing with Georgia, the seaports of Georgia under the control of Russia are unacceptable for the USA, therefore they organized a rose revolution in Georgia and put their politicians everywhere.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 13 June 2020 11: 12
      +3
      So you said it right, but you could have taken the cello. Really forgot how the indifferent Burhalter arrived and someone became thoughtful.
    2. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 13 June 2020 12: 09
      +2
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      The same thing with Georgia, Georgian seaports under the control of Russia, this is unacceptable for the United States

      About the Georgian "ports", this is too much. There were no ports there. So, keep the coasters.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 June 2020 12: 34
        +3
        Quote: DED_peer_DED
        About the Georgian "ports", this is too much. There were no ports there. So, keep the coasters.

        Ports are not the main thing, ports can be built quickly, but the seacoast of all these limitrophs is precisely what is needed for aggressors.
      2. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 13 June 2020 15: 39
        -2
        Poti and Batumi, in fact, are one of the largest and most convenient ports on the Black Sea.
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 13 June 2020 22: 07
          -1
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          one of the largest and most convenient ports on the Black Sea.

          ===
          ? Poti cargo turnover is about 8 million tons, Batumi 1.5–2 million tons, Tuapse about 15 million, and Novorossiysk 142.5 million.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 14 June 2020 11: 07
            0
            AND? It is ridiculous to compare the scale of cargo turnover between Russia and Georgia. Port Stanley Bay, the capital of the Falklands, is the most convenient in the entire South Atlantic, but the cargo turnover there does not reach 50 thousand tons.
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 15 June 2020 20: 15
              0
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              some of the largest [

              ===
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              And?

              ===
              I wrote to you about the "largest", and about the "most convenient" ones, too.
    3. 16329
      16329 13 June 2020 15: 53
      +1
      In 2014, residents of the South-East of Ukraine categorically did not want to go to Russia, they all wanted to join the European Union, dreamed about it and counted the days before the collapse of Russia from international sanctions.
      Residents of industrialized and urbanized regions dreamed of visa-free travel to Europe and high European salaries
      Everything is as always, however
      Now, by the way, Ukraine is headed by a native of the Dnipropetrovsk region
      Putin did everything right without contacting the “liberation” of these areas
      But in the near future, the situation will change for various reasons.
    4. Avior
      Avior 13 June 2020 17: 52
      -2
      . all of New Russia, that is, Kharkov, Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions

      One missed. smile
      But in general, the idea of ​​the republics was supported, in addition to Donbass, by Kharkov and Odessa, the rest were more likely against, including the one you missed
      1. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 13 June 2020 22: 56
        0
        Quote: Avior
        Missed one
        two ...(!)
        Quote: Avior
        But in general, the idea of ​​the republics was supported, in addition to Donbass, by Kharkov and Odessa, the rest were more likely against, including the one you missed
        I think you are mistaken ... the fact is that most likely they did not want war right at the entrances of their houses ... (!).
        Quote: 16329
        Residents of industrialized and urbanized regions dreamed of visa-free travel to Europe and high European salaries
        no, first of all dreamed and dream of peace (!).
        1. Avior
          Avior 13 June 2020 23: 13
          +1
          Two, two, you're right.
          Both would not support, I think
          For a whole range of reasons.
          They didn’t want war and unrest, and there was nowhere worse for Yanukovych, and Donetsk was always perceived as its stronghold, and there were other reasons.
          1. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 13 June 2020 23: 41
            0
            Quote: Avior
            Both would not support, I think
            depends ?! If only fast as in the Crimea .... (!).... But we understand that here THERE WASN'T such an opportunity (such an option), in view of the lack of military bases of the same Navy?! ... But how it went along "Donetsk scenario" .
            Quote: Avior
            For a whole range of reasons.
            basically yes, so .... Just the Dnieper, fast and strong "koshmaril" three at once "tame virtuosos" Benya appointed Governor. And we, right next to the Donetsk region, the borders, looked at them with sympathy, and empathy, but to transfer the shooting to our homes, and the enemies do not want to wish.
            Quote: Avior
            And they didn’t want war and unrest,
            if in short, yes ...
            So, the point here is not at all visa-free (!), and there is nothing to say about European integration ... Everyone understood that Motor Sich and KB Progress would go to bed right away ... And through Snezhnoe, the engine was transported to the last, no matter how difficult it was ...
            1. Avior
              Avior 14 June 2020 10: 52
              0
              Motor and Progress work.
              For 2014, they worked with Russia, but the orders were no longer so decisive for the plant.
              They drove to Ulan Ude, but this is not the only work already
              We worked with China, and slightly on the repair and replacement of engines, with Asia, Africa and Europe.
              Yes, and Motor, and especially Progress in Zaporozhye, is not a city-forming enterprise, but simply one of several.
    5. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 13 June 2020 18: 00
      -2
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      Moreover, in 2014 it was necessary to add the whole of New Russia, that is, Kharkov, Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions to annex to Russia.

      fool Yep ...
      I would love to look at your face, at the moment of receiving an "invitation" from the military registration and enlistment office, to participate in joining.
    6. EMMM
      EMMM 14 June 2020 11: 04
      -1
      Sir cat,
      even a complete blockage of the Baltic Sea will not lead Russia to inaccessibility to open water.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 14 June 2020 11: 12
        0
        Trading through Murmansk is economically unprofitable. Too much spending on the shoulder goes.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 13 June 2020 10: 58
    -2
    very possible
  • Terenin
    Terenin 13 June 2020 10: 58
    +7
    Without commenting on them, one can say only one thing: - "There is no smoke without fire."
    rumors began to appear about the imminent entry of the republics into Russia
    but what smoke and rumors ... for a long time we all have been screaming that it is time to return this territory to Russia!
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 13 June 2020 11: 14
      +1
      Yes. For five years, these rumors appear.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 13 June 2020 17: 36
      0
      Quote: Terenin
      rumors began to appear about the imminent entry of the republics into Russia

      hi , Gennady.
      I will express my (maybe erroneous) opinion on this part. In the event that the LDNR joins Russia in / in the former Ukraine, the situation will change - the factor of civil war will disappear, which means there will be an opportunity for one more step for Ruins to join NATO. Of course, for the alliance it will not be a small haemorrhoid, but the West can go for it out of harm to Russia. And then hemorrhoids will appear with us. And the dill people understand this, and that's why they exacerbate the "tension" in the east, and the Russian Federation is in no hurry to sign independence and accept the LPR and DPR into its composition. Again, this is my personal vision.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 13 June 2020 20: 43
        +3
        Greetings Leo hi

        Quote: Lelek
        If LDNR joins Russia in / in the former Ukraine, the situation will change - the factor of civil war will disappear,
        this is the main factor the cessation of the death of our people!

        Quote: Lelek
        it means that an opportunity will open for one more small step for the entry of the Ruins into NATO.
        Hardly. Well, now think about why the alliance should take them to itself and hang on to itself the fifth article (on assistance in a military invasion ...) when the Ruin already fulfills all their requirements.

        Quote: Lelek
        Of course, for the alliance this will not be a minor hemorrhoids, but the West can go for it from harm to Russia.
        Americans are not stupid and experienced provocateurs. They always escalate the situation to the level of decision-making ..., cut down their dividends and ... winked deploy their powerful fleet from North Korea ...

        Quote: Lelek
        And then hemorrhoids will appear with us.
        yes, we are NATO, and in better times, stumps with sweets did not give No.

        Quote: Lelek
        And the dill people understand this, therefore they exacerbate the "tension" in the east,

        As Volodya Sharapov said - "But what are they, spies or what? Normal criminals, bandits."
        Well, when did Bandera create something? Especially from the war they have income.

        Quote: Lelek
        and the Russian Federation is in no hurry with the signing of independence and the acceptance of the LPR and the DPR into its membership.
        well, in vain. I do not approve and very sorry.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 13 June 2020 21: 05
          +1
          Quote: Terenin
          Well, just think about why the alliance should accept them and hang on to itself the fifth article (on assistance in a military invasion ...) when Ruin fulfills all their requirements.


          Gennady, well, here is the latest fact - NATO member countries approved and signed an act of integration of the former Ukraine into their alliance. Guess what this is fraught with.
          As for the signing of the acts of independence with the LPR and DPR, I have always been “FOR”, but I expressed the possible plans of our government on this topic. And it was necessary to proclaim independence and integrate the republics into the Russian Federation 5 years ago, but it can be done even now, given the presence of 48% of residents with Russian passports, but this requires a referendum in the republics on the basis of recognition of independence. Do you feel what kind of circulation?
          The last refusal of the leadership of the former Ukraine to fulfill the Minsk treatises can play into our hands, and here a lot depends on the actions of our Foreign Ministry and the president (we, as the Britons say, are the spectator`s)
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 13 June 2020 21: 28
            +3
            Quote: Lelek
            Gennady, well, here is the latest fact - NATO member countries approved and signed an act of integration of the former Ukraine into their alliance. Guess what this is fraught with.

            Leo, you are a restless soul. Well, to whom is this NATA ever helped? Never and never!
            But, as always, for their own benefit, countries-fools (such as Ukraine) ride around their ears, here they have no equal No.
            You gotta think of it so cleverly - "Expanded Partners" winked and joyful partner horses will expand, like bloomers, for their own hryvnias, they will jump higher before NATO fool ... And, for this, maybe later, someday ..., they will come up with the next NATO status "partners of super-duper opportunities", then "super-real candidates", then ... "soup with a cat" ...
            In fact, NATO, and this is the United States, is already masters in Ukraine.
      2. Alt 22
        Alt 22 14 June 2020 11: 04
        0
        And the whole country with an army that is now ready to fight against Russia, what is NATO, what is not NATO, is it not hemorrhoids ???
        Yes, and tell us how Ukraine, as part of NATO, is going to fight against a country that has a full nuclear triad and its willingness to use it not even as a retaliatory strike - against Russia.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 June 2020 11: 00
    +1
    It is important in what boundaries! Although a precedent will be created. But vague doubts gnaw me. That everything will end so simply ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 June 2020 12: 06
      +4
      I think that so far no one knows how it will end.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 13 June 2020 12: 25
        0
        Quote: cniza
        I think that so far no one knows how it will end

        And I think they consider the options ... those who should do it!
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 June 2020 13: 23
          +5
          Even we consider the options, but we do not have the information that those who should do it have.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 June 2020 11: 00
    +5
    Kiev has actually come out of the Minsk agreements
    It does not matter whether it actually came out or will come out legally (but for the time being they are afraid of the reaction of Europe). As they did not fulfill it from the very beginning, they still do not fulfill it to this day. Under the tacit consent of the European "guarantors", they continue the lawlessness on the line of demarcation in relation to civilians, infrastructure, abundantly pouring lies and attacks on Russia. Therefore, the time has probably come for the leadership of our country to make a strong-willed decision on the Donbass - to recognize and really send troops to protect the population from Bandera's lawlessness.
    1. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 13 June 2020 12: 31
      -3
      Therefore, probably the time has come for the leadership of our country to make a strong-willed decision in the Donbass - to recognize and indeed send troops to protect the population from Bandera lawlessness.

      Like adults, but they believe in fairy tales.
  • nikon7717
    nikon7717 13 June 2020 11: 03
    +3
    Here would be statistics on how many LDNR residents have already received Russian passports, interest, at least plus or minus km.
    Nothing will happen until the end of this year, until the situation in the states with the elections ends, the oil market settles down, well, with the virus and the consequences they won’t do all the work.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 13 June 2020 11: 16
      -1
      What will it change? Is a passport of a citizen of the Russian Federation stronger than a bulletproof vest? Or amulet? He does not look at the shell. It flies and explodes into several thousand fragments.
      1. nikon7717
        nikon7717 13 June 2020 11: 27
        +2
        Leaders why crusts handed out? This is not a little thing. This is a weapon of strategy. Upon reaching a critical mass, and at the right political moment (when the United States will be ... ukrov), a vote will take place (referendum), a peaceful extraction of the territory that was historically Russian. In the meantime, we are sitting by the river and waiting for the body of the enemy to come.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 13 June 2020 11: 29
          -4
          Do you still believe in fairy tales? So I will disappoint you - judging by the duration, this is "Santa Barbara". And how it will end, even the directors have not yet decided. And many of the actors have died.
          A sad series, in general ...
          1. nikon7717
            nikon7717 13 June 2020 11: 34
            +1
            I look at the economic background of the entry. They are not here today. Tomorrow will appear political realize them. A delayed start and a splinter to weaken the ukrov regime so that the population itself leaves the idea of ​​Independence and turns to its brother
            1. Holgerton
              Holgerton 13 June 2020 16: 46
              +3
              In this case, the brother was one of the first to declare his independence, independence, sovereignty as you like, most of the Soviet Socialist Republics became independent only later than their big brother.
        2. revnagan
          revnagan 13 June 2020 21: 02
          0
          Quote: nikon7717
          peaceful extraction of the territory

          good Well, finally, it sounded bluntly what the whole world is discussing - Russia is engaged in "squeezing": territories, property and other assets of neighboring states. And then - "" Russian spring ... referendum ... fight against Bandera. "
          1. Alt 22
            Alt 22 14 June 2020 11: 31
            0
            How many times has the United States stated in plain text that it is engaged in changing regimes in countries they do not like to be loyal to them? That is, essentially, to seize countries by forcibly changing the power in them?
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 14 June 2020 15: 05
              -1
              Quote: Alt22
              How many times has the United States stated in plain text

              Well, thank God, finally, at least you had the courage to say that you are now like the United States.
              1. Alt 22
                Alt 22 15 June 2020 09: 06
                0
                I am not like the USA. Do not ascribe to me words and intentions that are not inherent to me.
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      2. EMMM
        EMMM 14 June 2020 11: 10
        -1
        torn into several thousand fragments.
        A maximum of two dozen.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 13 June 2020 21: 10
      0
      Quote: nikon7717
      Here would be statistics on how many LDNR residents have already received Russian passports, interest, at least plus or minus km.

      hi
      The last figure that caught my eye in LDN portals is 48%.
      1. nikon7717
        nikon7717 14 June 2020 00: 15
        +1
        Thank. Local output. 75 percent of the minimum should be collected ideally, well, and take into account the possibility of turnout at polling stations that have the right to vote. The caravan is coming.
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 13 June 2020 11: 07
    +1
    If Ukraine does not want to implement the Minsk agreements, then this territory and people are not needed. Russia has every right to attach them to itself. Moreover, the referendum was already in these!
    1. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 13 June 2020 12: 31
      -6
      Russia has every right to attach them to itself.

      Do you need it?
      1. Looking for
        Looking for 13 June 2020 15: 13
        0
        remove the pan from your head. "ukropatriot"
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 13 June 2020 21: 05
      -1
      Quote: steel maker
      If Ukraine does not want to implement the Minsk agreements, then this territory and people are not needed.

      Well, it’s not only you who own demagogy. Territories and people are needed, but not at the expense of Ukraine’s interests. And I can reason as much as you argue: if Russia does nothing to lift the sanctions that its population suffers, then neither people , nor the territory of Russia is needed. So? Well, is it still logical?
  • Yury Siritsky
    Yury Siritsky 13 June 2020 11: 15
    +2
    If the Kokles really withdraw from the agreement, this gives Russia the right to recognize the republics, and subsequently accept them as part of the country.
    1. Kadum
      Kadum 13 June 2020 11: 17
      -2
      Quote: Yuri Siritsky
      If the Kokles really withdraw from the agreement, this gives Russia the right to recognize the republics, and subsequently accept them as part of the country.

      We need Kiev! And Donbass will have to do it .. They have already strengthened and are waiting for orders. hi
      1. cniza
        cniza 13 June 2020 12: 04
        +5
        Nobody needs a war, but the Nazis must be finished off.
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 13 June 2020 15: 16
        +1
        you just have to remember
      3. CommanderDIVA
        CommanderDIVA 13 June 2020 21: 20
        -1
        Why do we need Kiev and this toxic country? Let's leave them alone, let them live as they want with anyone they want, the whole little history of modern Ukraine presents some headaches for Russia, and LDNR is actually Russia
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 13 June 2020 21: 08
      0
      Quote: Yuri Siritsky
      withdraw from the agreement, this gives Russia the right to recognize the republic

      Yes, you sho? belay .that is downright "gives the right"? On the basis of what international law does Russia have such a right? And other states have such rights? "Hotelki" do not give anyone any rights.
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  • Suslin
    Suslin 13 June 2020 11: 20
    +4
    In my opinion, it is high time to denounce Russian guarantees under the so-called "Minsk agreements". All the same, the so-called "Western partners" are not going to influence Kiev by forcing them to fulfill their obligations to the LPNR. Therefore, the accession of the LDNR to Russia is already an inevitable necessity.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 13 June 2020 21: 09
      -1
      Quote: Suslin
      In my opinion, it's time to denounce Russian guarantees

      The price of "Russian guarantees" became clear after the "Budapest Memorandum" ...
      1. Alt 22
        Alt 22 14 June 2020 11: 45
        -2
        Is it that you have not ratified?
        For example, the response of the US Embassy in the Republic of Belarus of April 12, 2013 to the statement that the US sanctions violate the Budapest memorandum: “The repeated allegations of the Government of the Republic of Belarus that the US sanctions violate the Budapest memorandum of security guarantees of 1994 are unfounded. Although the Memorandum is not legally binding, we take these political obligations seriously ... "

        The Memorandum DOES NOT HAVE LEGAL FORCE - your current owners have stated this in plain text.
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 14 June 2020 14: 21
          -1
          Quote: Alt22
          Memorandum DOES NOT HAVE LEGAL FORCE

          But why did YOU sign it? Why did you give YOUR WORD, which has no legal force? It's the same as paying in the store with a fake coin, knowing that it is fake. That’s all Russian diplomacy. And, by the way, they didn’t ratify the memorandum is not in Ukraine. The memorandum was not ratified in Russia, the Minsk agreements were not ratified in Ukraine. Well, since Russia is possible (by the way, it was the first one), why not Ukraine? And the Budapest memorandum does not have legal force because The Russian Federation has not signed it!
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            1. revnagan
              revnagan 14 June 2020 15: 18
              0
              [quote = Golovan Jack] Hey, shit ... slow down)))
              What, do not catch up? laughing And four-legged.
              [quote = Golovan Jack] The document was signed because the document is supposed to be signed ... [/ quoteYou are not a relative of Klitschko?
              Well, the "Minsk agreements" have been signed, since the document must be signed. But not ratified. And the "Agreements" are not even a memorandum.
              Next - google himself, rusty gun, with a cache [/ quote]
              "" Be quiet, empty head! I've heard the truth, it happened:
              Though the forehead is wide, the brain is not enough! "(cit.)
              AS Pushkin ("Everything is Ours"). Poem "Ruslan and Lyudmila".
              Written for a long time, but clearly about you wink .
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 14 June 2020 15: 21
                -6
                Quote: revnagan
                What, do not catch up?

                I love ukrotrolls ... a funny donkey, at least something about them will not be erased ...

                Revolver. A good machine, but this one is rusty, a hike, it’s completely ... not subject to restoration request
                1. revnagan
                  revnagan 14 June 2020 20: 05
                  -2
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Revolver. A good machine, but this one is rusty, a hike, it’s completely ... not subject to restoration

                  Yes, no, it works fine, in oil. It is waiting in the wings, and it will work out more than one HEAD.
                  1. Alt 22
                    Alt 22 15 June 2020 09: 27
                    -2
                    Couch Military? Probably also Bandera - they were very fond of killing peaceful and necessarily unarmed people, only for other beliefs and views. True, every time you met with organized and armed people, something usually went wrong with you)
          2. Alt 22
            Alt 22 15 June 2020 09: 16
            -2
            Ascribing to me, an ordinary person, responsibility for the actions of the authorities and the state is an extremely inappropriate behavior, a kind of mental disorder that I observe in you. However, you, it is true, are from Ukraine ... Andryusha Knyazev's post asks here - "This is filmed in Ukraine, everything is there ..." - but I will not post it in its entirety, there is an obscene word that as if characterizes you.
            And the Budapest Memorandum - Russia has committed itself not to use or threaten to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states, and it has not violated this obligation towards you.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 15 June 2020 19: 51
              -1
              Quote: Alt22
              And the Budapest Memorandum - Russia has committed itself not to use or threaten to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states, and it has not violated this obligation towards you.

              And Russia gave guarantees of the territorial integrity of Ukraine in exchange for nuclear weapons. And Russia violated this obligation.
              As for the "Bandera" ... so you have everyone who does not want the good of the Russian Federation at the expense of their country-Bandera. "You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat ..." And what they propose to do with ALL "Bandera" here, on the site, visitors like you and golovan jack are no different from what you blame the "Bandera". And, quoting you, "Ascribing to me, an ordinary person, responsibility for the actions of the authorities and the state is highly inappropriate behavior, a kind of mental disorder that I observe with you "- I did not confuse anything? And why do you, in that case, do the same on your part? In someone else's eye, as they say ... right? From your side, everything looks one -into one.
              1. Alt 22
                Alt 22 15 June 2020 20: 24
                0
                In exchange for warranties, DO NOT use nuclear weapons. Did someone use something for you? No? Sleep well. And by the way, the Budapest memorandum was not ratified - not only by Russia, but by all other signatories. Would you like to ask why the USA refused to ratify it? )

                "As for the" Bandera "... so you have everyone who does not want the good of the Russian Federation at the expense of their country-Bandera" - no, the Bandera are such Russophobes like you. In fact, who defends the Bandera-pro-American leadership and policy is a Banderaite. Well, you can continue to tell that "there is no Bandera in Ukraine".
                1. revnagan
                  revnagan 16 June 2020 07: 59
                  -1
                  Quote: Alt22
                  In exchange for warranties, DO NOT use nuclear weapons

                  That is why you are trying to cheat? In exchange for guarantees of territorial integrity. After all, in exchange for "guarantees not to use nuclear weapons" there was no point in giving yours! You have I / O, I have I / O, here are guarantees of non-use. Why are you trying to manipulate , to impose their own vision of the situation when there was a clearly agreed framework of the agreement. Ukraine-gives I / O, Russia and Western "partners" guarantee in return the territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine. but not ratified. "Well, it did not work out." So now with the Minsk agreements. Ukraine signed, but not ratified. Like Russia and partners. It didn't work out, alas. What are you not happy with?
                  Quote: Alt22
                  Would you like to ask why the USA refused to ratify it? )

                  We’ll talk with the Americans, we’ll ask them this question. Now I’m talking to you and I’m saying straight-Russia has done a frank scam in relation to Ukraine, and now she’s turning out, trying to wash the black dog off white. And you are trying to convince me that everything is correct, lawful and good that God himself ordered the Russian Federation to do this, but Ukraine shouldn’t do this. In full, your opponent is not a yaranga resident in the Far North. Exactly the same ethnic Russian, far from stupid. You should not impose a Russian point of view on me and try to introduce I see all your twists, and even you become like two nations at once - the chosen and the God-chosen, with your judgments. Believe me, this does not paint either you or your country.
                  Quote: Alt22
                  No, Bandera is Russophobes such as you

                  I am not a Bandera or a Russophobe. But why should I love Russia and the Russians? And this is the fault of your country's two-faced policy. When Russia is cheating, it's good, when Russia is being cheated, it's bad. Just like Abram and Sarah: Abram had sex, that's one thing. And if Sarah - it's completely different, right? I defend Ukraine by any means from the unfair antics of Russia, which is understandable in light of the different weight categories of Ukraine and Russia. If Russia starts to pursue a pro-Ukrainian policy in Ukraine for the benefit of Ukraine, I will only be “for”. But the seizure of property of Ukraine, its territory cannot be called pro-Ukrainian policy. Do you want me to be happy about that? And lastly, there are Bandera and Nazis in Ukraine, I do not belong to them and I consider them to be guilty, first of all, of today's troubles in Ukraine. And they will still answer. But the robbery of Ukraine under the guise of the nearest neighbor, who gave guarantees of territorial integrity and treacherously, forged, cynical and mean I can’t regard it positively as a person who has violated my word. ”To hell with him, if you are trying to use labels to retouch the truth about your country that is unacceptable to you.
                  1. Alt 22
                    Alt 22 16 June 2020 20: 38
                    0
                    I am not a Bandera and not Russophobe. But why should I love Russia and the Russians
                    - Well, since you did not put the Russian people and Russia as the country of the Russian people in the first place, but Ukraine, whose authorities infringe on the rights of the Russian-speaking population, practically conduct the ethnic ethnocide of the Russians, and are essentially American puppets, as well as openly patronizing the Ukrainian Nazis - please do not be offended that you are considered a Russian fighter and a Bandera - all the more you will be faked and there is, and this is not an insult, but an accurate description of people who descended from the Russian people, but have lost contact with them, and no longer consider themselves to be part of it, as you .

                    And as for the Budapest Accords, you have not ratified them. However, nobody took anything from YOU, either without agreement. But they took it from the amertish invaders. To the United States, the Russian Federation has no obligations regarding you. Do you understand what I want to tell you? This is America lost the Crimea winked
                    1. revnagan
                      revnagan 17 June 2020 10: 41
                      -1
                      Quote: Alt22
                      Well, if you put not the Russian people and Russia as the country of the Russian people in the first place,

                      And why should I put Russia in the first place, living in Ukraine? What good has Russia done for the Russians of Ukraine? The Russian people live all over the world, but this is not a reason to treat the Russian people as a raw material and sacrifice it to the interests of Russia. Maybe Russia. how did it protect the rights of Russians in Ukraine? No, Russia, under the pretext of fighting the Galician banditry, simply covers the territory of a neighboring country, pulling off the heat from the Crimea with the lives of the Russian people of Donbass. My ancestors moved to Ukraine about 150 years ago. I was born here. In the USSR we were equal among equals. In modern Russia, they dream of how (on occasion) the inhabitants of Ukraine will be forced to repent and pay for "betrayal." dream, I don't feel any guilt for myself, and I will be grateful to those who help these "wet dreams" of Russians to break off. Russians, not Russians, because the Russians themselves in Russia are probably the most lawless vny narod.And you are rubbing me here about the oppression of Russians in Ukraine. Why do Tatars in Russia have their own Constitution, Chechens have, and Russians do not? I consider the descendants of the White Guards and Vlasovites. And I don’t need a connection with such representatives of the Russian (not Russian!) People for nothing. Moreover, I do not see any interest in maintaining contact with the Russians of Ukraine on the part of Russia.
                      Regarding the Budapest agreements, they were not ratified by Russia, not Ukraine. Russia signed and did not ratify. Ukraine has fulfilled its part of the agreement by giving up nuclear weapons. Without any signatures and political antics. Russia “looped”, which does not honor her.
                      Quote: Alt22
                      However, nobody took anything from YOU, either without agreement.

                      Well, yes, well, yes. As they say in Ukraine, "there is no shame in the filthy look." In Russia, a similar expression "At least ..... in the eyes, but he is God's dew." And who captured the oil rigs? According to international laws, this is an act piracy, by the way. And who seized the territory of Ukraine, taking advantage of the international agreement and the fact that the Russian Armed Forces, according to this agreement, had a base on the territory of Ukraine? Warmed, as they say, a snake on his chest ...
                      Quote: Alt22
                      This is America lost the Crimea

                      And Russia lost Ukraine. The Anglo-Saxons have outplayed Russia once again. Russia won the queen (Crimea and 1/3 of Donbass, and that's in question), but lost the game. And the Russians will soon be completely assimilated in Russia and will become "Russians".
                      1. Alt 22
                        Alt 22 17 June 2020 22: 42
                        0
                        In the first place Russian puts his people. Russia is the birthplace of the Russian people, it is natural that the Russian is worried about it, especially when the power in the country of residence is in the hands of the enemies of the Russian people and Russia. Or do you dream that the Russians in Ukraine helped Bandera to carry out the ethnocide of the Russian people, to fight against their own ??
                        So you - I’ll cut myself out, a traitor, and a supporter of the enemies of Russia, a former Russian, an ordinary Vlasov, one thing.

                        "What good has Russia done for the Russians of Ukraine"
                        - you mixed up the Russian Federation and Russia, a typical mistake is to get it out. But even the Russian Federation-remains a state where at least they do not persecute the Russian people and do not destroy the Russian language, as in Ukraine. That is, in order to keep your ass warm, you agree to harm the Russian Federation and the Russians living in it.

                        "No, Russia, under the pretext of fighting the Galician banditry, is simply cutting the territory of a neighboring country."
                        - And how is it that Russia has not cut anything for 25 years of independence, and then bam - after the coup arranged by the Americans suddenly began to cut, can you tell me?

                        "pulling off the heat from the Crimea"
                        - even if there were no conflict in the Donbass, you would not have fired a shot towards the Crimea. Because in the Crimea, the Russian army is in fact.

                        "Ukraine has fulfilled its part of the agreement by giving up nuclear weapons."
                        - Firstly, without ratification, I could calmly not give it away.
                        Secondly, you simply did not have money to support it.
                        Thirdly, you would not even be able to use it - you simply did not have the codes for it, and even if you picked out a few charges - you simply did not have the technology to make the charge explode at its rated power - you did not have it then and not now. would get, at best, a "pop" for a fraction of a kiloton, because the explosion of the initiating charges requires synchronization up to microseconds. That is why you gave the weapon - that you could neither contain nor use, otherwise you would have held on to it with your teeth.

                        "I, for example, consider you the descendants of the White Guards and Vlasovites"
                        - In Russia, the Vlasovites and Belograders are despised, and you have streets and squares named after collaborators. Personally, I have - not one of my ancestors fought for them, but I would have fought - I would have abandoned him, would have forgotten him forever, deleted him from the memory of the family. You have the same ki, which destroyed hundreds of civilians, elevated to the rank of heroes - a shame.

                        "Russians, not Russians, because Russians themselves in Russia are probably the most powerless people. And you are rubbing me about the oppression of Russians in Ukraine"
                        - You know, in Russia, the Russian language is at least not banned. Moreover, the languages ​​of national minorities, like yours, are also not prohibited, so it’s not for you to judge the situation of Russians in Russia.

                        "According to international laws" - tell me, did you seize power according to international laws? And according to international law, are the troops of the United States and Turkey now in Syria and Libya? Did you bomb Yugoslavia under international law? The West has violated international law too many times to require its victims to abide by it. So, in the case of Russia, something went wrong with you.

                        Well, you - you yourself have become a victim of the West, but you are even glad about this because you have a chance to amuse your Russophobia, while the Russians - they are glad that at least a few Russian people in Crimea and the Donbass can remain Russian.
                      2. revnagan
                        revnagan 18 June 2020 15: 05
                        -3
                        Quote: Alt22
                        In the first place Russian puts his people.

                        Yes, your leadership puts the Russian people in "... the fifteenth" place after all Caucasians and other foreigners, using it to facilitate the life of the national minority. The Russian people have endured so many wars, troubles and hardships on their shoulders, and what can they replace states? "The peasants, our faithful people, may they receive a bribe from God?" No, thank you.
                        Quote: Alt22
                        So you - I’ll cut myself out, a traitor, and a supporter of the enemies of Russia, a former Russian, an ordinary Vlasov, one thing.

                        You already decide-Bandera or Vlasov. Although I can’t be a Vlasovite, the place is firmly occupied by you.
                        Quote: Alt22
                        get out
                        -I propose to print all the insults in a separate article and fasten in the dialogs. Suddenly it will be possible to unbalance me. It has not yet come to pass that insults from the Vlasovtsy will not take me?
                        Quote: Alt22
                        But even the Russian Federation-remains a state where at least they do not persecute the Russian people and do not destroy the Russian language, as in Ukraine.

                        Well, of course, because show Russia its true attitude towards Russians, and at whose expense will the country be built? Who will work, pay tribute to the Caucasus, lay their heads for the interests of Russian oligarchs? They are oligarchs, they are their own, to touch them - no, no! Here, Russians from Russia, you have a great honor: to be a building material and die for the Vlasov-oligarchic vlast. Who understood this, and does not want to be a resource, that Banderaite.
                        Quote: Alt22
                        and how is it that Russia has not cut anything for 25 years of independence, and then bam

                        But she sensed that a neighbor had trouble and bang! She took advantage of it. Well done, always do this.
                        Quote: Alt22
                        - Firstly, without ratification, I could calmly not give it away.

                        I could. If I knew that the "brothers" harbored meanness in their souls and a knife in their sleeves. But they took their word for it. Brothers! Besides, this word (unlike the Russians) obliged him to keep it. It was only later that they understood that the word Russians are not worth anything.
                        Quote: Alt22
                        - even if there were no conflict in the Donbass, you would not have fired a shot towards the Crimea. Because in the Crimea, the Russian army is in fact.

                        "Army Rossii" at that time in the Crimea was shish and kumysh. Block them in the bases, and let them sit until they die of hunger and thirst. And you perfectly understood that, that's why you organized a "compress" as Donbass. At the expense of the blood of Ukrainian Russians, WHICH IN RUSSIA NO ONE NEEDS. But as a consumable for interests of Russia and the reason to shout "Russians are being killed in Ukraine!" - fit perfectly.
                        Quote: Alt22
                        - Firstly, without ratification, I could calmly not give it away.
                        Secondly, you simply did not have money to support it.
                        Thirdly, you couldn’t even use it

                        Well, since everything was so sad and unpromising, why did you break off your nails, scratching blood from Ukraine I / O. Have you gone to direct meanness, just to get a hoax? No need to fool us, we're not drunk yet.
                        Quote: Alt22
                        - in Russia, Vlasovites and Belograders are despised,

                        What? Yes, in Russia, the state flag is the color of Vlasov’s military awards. Here to take you personally, you’re an honest Vlasov, and be proud of yourself. You just don’t want to recognize. Monuments to the White Guard generals (Krasnov), implacable hatred of everything Soviet ... and you despise Vlasovites? laughing Yes, your state is now completing what the Vlasovites dreamed of doing. And you support him in this. And the fact that they do not openly admit it is like this: “by their deeds you will recognize them.” My Motherland is the USSR, and not Russia, capitalist, bourgeois, under the Vlasov flag, which cannot be trusted. Normal Russian people, born in the Soviet Union and proud of their country, have nothing in common with such a Russia from the word “absolutely.” So fool me with words about patriotism and loyalty to “their” country, about what needs to be “atoned for with blood "betrayal" (and what kind of betrayal? Did I swear to Russia of anything? Yes, I have never seen anything good either from Russia or from the Russians), will not come out. How to offend with the words "nerus", "traitor". For me they do not mean anything. They sound like a dog barking, nothing more. However, if you like it ... in a separate line and attach to the text (see above) laughing .
                        Quote: Alt22
                        - you know, in Russia, the Russian language is at least not banned

                        We have already discussed it above. Prohibit the Russian government also the Russian language, and what will remain Russian in Russia? The right to work hard for the oligarchs and the state to the glory? Why do you think the Russian government left the attributes of the USSR to the population, taking away the material component (factories, land, power)? Yes if she picks it up and this-Russians will understand that they have nothing in Russia! And how then to exploit them?
                        Quote: Alt22
                        "According to international laws" - tell me, did you seize power according to international laws?

                        Ah, flatterer! I did not seize power, alas, not the same. And you in 1991, when Yolkin's tanks shot down the "White House"? You are on the international? Oh, why were the eyes running around? No, everyone remembers, so there's nothing to blame on the mirror if your face is crooked. Any power is worth something only if it knows how to defend itself. Yanukovoshch had everything to retain power and correct his mistakes. We, with representatives of our enterprise, were ready to leave for Kiev and smash the Galicians to shreds. "Vegetable" for. ..was afraid. That's it, the train left. But this did not give Russia the right to rip apart Ukraine.
                        Quote: Alt22
                        And did you bomb Yugoslavia under international laws?

                        Wow! "And then Ostap suffered." I bombed Yugoslavia? Ukraine bombed Yugoslavia? I understand, well, I really want to "prick". But you should not be like a clown, you look funny. And Russia, hiding behind other people's backs, quietly, did not bomb anyone?
                        Quote: Alt22
                        Russians - they rejoice that at least a few Russian people in Crimea and the Donbass will be able to remain Russian.

                        How long will they last in modern Russia? Then, after all, you will still have to become "Russians" and, having dissolved in national minorities, become the raw material for new Russian leaders to make profit.
                      3. Alt 22
                        Alt 22 20 June 2020 13: 47
                        0
                        Yes, your leadership puts the Russian people in the "... the fifteenth" place
                        - The leadership of the Russian Federation does not distinguish between nationalities. Yes, maybe it does not pay enough attention to the Russians - only in your Ukraine Ukrainians are not allocated at all, moreover, in the first place, with the right to kill dissidents with impunity, now you are not even Ukrainians, but real Nazis. Did Elderberry Assassins Condemn? Did Sternenko plant this killer, who, incidentally, killed a Ukrainian soldier?


                        You already decide-Bandera or Vlasov
                        in your case, one does not interfere with the other. Well, I’m not a Vlasovite, I don’t support either the Vlasovites or Putin. And most importantly - I do not support the actual occupiers like you.

                        You are a frank Vlasovite
                        - why did you decide that? Vlasovites are collaborators. Have I spoken out somewhere for collaborators? Not. Or are you trying to identify with Vlasov Putin and the Russian Federation? So the Russian Federation has the Peter's flag, and it was used in the USSR quite calmly in 1947! - https://politikus.ru/v-rossii/39822-o-vlasovskom-trikolore.html

                        But this did not give Russia the right to dribble
                        - The Russian Federation grabbed not from you, but from the United States. Just as the United States uses Syrian oil fields quite illegally in Syria when they became convinced that the country was lost for them.
  • Vladislav_2
    Vladislav_2 13 June 2020 11: 21
    +3
    Kuev does not care about the Minsk agreements! .... but the West clung to them and demands their implementation and blames the Russian Federation for everything, and hence the sanctions and their extension! Kuev uses it !!! ... only "it can't rain forever" ... soon it should end yes
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 June 2020 12: 03
      +3
      It is simply convenient for them to use them as an excuse for accusing Russia and nothing more, they are not interested in the fate of people and the world.
  • iouris
    iouris 13 June 2020 11: 21
    +5
    In this case, "Ukraine" is the LPR and DPR, and the rest is "temporarily occupied territories".
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 June 2020 12: 01
      +3
      So.
    2. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 13 June 2020 12: 33
      -4
      "Ukraine" is the LPR and the DPR, and the rest is the "temporarily occupied territories".

      Occupied by whom?
      1. iouris
        iouris 13 June 2020 12: 46
        +2
        Quote: Simon Schempp
        Occupied by whom?

        Occupied by Bandarlogs (Bandar-log).
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 June 2020 16: 50
          +2
          Yes, we must speak openly with the Nazis and the United States.
      2. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 13 June 2020 23: 09
        +2
        Quote: Simon Schempp
        Occupied by whom?
        over fifty cabinet rooms - in the HRA and administration / office President ....
      3. Alt 22
        Alt 22 15 June 2020 09: 19
        0
        Five billion were allocated by the USA.
    3. revnagan
      revnagan 13 June 2020 21: 11
      -1
      Quote: iouris
      "Ukraine" is the LPR and the DPR, and the rest is the "temporarily occupied territories".

      "Poznyak to rush." ​​It would have rolled in the 14th year, and the population of Ukraine was THEN ready to support such a formulation of the question, but now, after the Crimea ... The train left.
      1. iouris
        iouris 14 June 2020 00: 07
        -1
        Quote: revnagan
        The train left.

        Where did he go? At steamAvoz, all the steam went off on a beep. Crimea will be common. Correct programs on TV and the operation of "internal troops" can work a miracle in a fairly short time. Officials of all levels will swear allegiance and will fight mercilessly ... Except for some people who have come in large numbers.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 13 June 2020 11: 24
    +3
    Well, in fact they don’t recognize them! And who heard that?
    Germany will remain silent, - Merkel, dreams of becoming the EU chairman and stated that she will continue to adhere to the common EU strategy in relations with Ukraine.
    France? There, ears froze for a long time, and the common position of the EU is a priority.
    Russia? He will be indignant, periodically appeal to partners and this will be limited to everything, at least until Kiev’s attempt to solve everything by force and the launch of SP-2.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 13 June 2020 11: 29
    +3
    According to Reznikov, the Minsk agreements are worthless in terms of international legal relations.

    From the point of view of any international, STE "gosudarstvo" has become completely useless .... only to foreign "partners", ours, it will never reach!
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 June 2020 12: 01
      0
      They never had statehood and now could not build it ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 June 2020 12: 28
        0
        This also does not reach foreign ones! It’s kind of big already, but such naivety has shown that it remains only to twist a finger at the temple and look thoughtfully, so thoughtfully .... only they forgot how to understand hints, even such specific ones. fool
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 June 2020 13: 28
          +2
          They destroyed all the institutes, and there were more than a dozen of them who studied and studied the USSR, there were specialists there, now amateurs are engaged, so the results are deplorable ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 June 2020 13: 38
            +1
            What is worse for them, they listen to different runners from here, and from them experts are below the plinth.
            1. cniza
              cniza 13 June 2020 13: 40
              +1
              This is yes, when offended, they advise something about their offenders, the result will not be so hot, which we observe.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 13 June 2020 13: 58
                0
                Offended by losers all over the world ... they were given the opportunity to recoup on someone.
                It sucks.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 13 June 2020 15: 49
                  +2
                  So politicians, in recent years, are not very observed, as everyone shredded ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 13 June 2020 17: 06
                    +1
                    Therefore, their politicians bite the one who is not afraid ... no one does anything for serious matters.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 13 June 2020 17: 57
                      +1
                      But sometimes it brings them not childishly, from a misunderstanding of the moment and can break such firewood ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 June 2020 18: 01
                        0
                        They can, but no closer than at our doorstep ... although chips and debris flies to us.
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 13 June 2020 18: 08
                        +2
                        So from these chips nothing good, I would not want to. It’s better when the enemy is smart and understanding.
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 June 2020 18: 13
                        0
                        The question is rhetorical! Trump, for example, didn’t say Schaub there, but he doesn’t want to make the stripes great again ... he probably would have been able to do something if it had not been for the rotten fuss around him.
                        I don’t really want such clever opponents, because he is also stubborn and impulsive, for his opponents the combination is not the easiest !!!
                      4. cniza
                        cniza 13 June 2020 18: 17
                        +2
                        He wants what he wants, but whoever gives him, he is tied hand and foot, do not take him for his own ...
                      5. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 June 2020 18: 51
                        +1
                        Again hastened, did not check .... he WANTS, of course!
                        But, now there is such a "fun" gone that it is not clear how it will end.
                        Not to fat, to be alive!
                      6. cniza
                        cniza 13 June 2020 19: 51
                        +2
                        The fact of their dismantling, and let’s say so the electoral squabble, can lead to irreversible consequences.
                      7. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 June 2020 20: 08
                        +1
                        This is their business, of course, but it’s too painful for them to be big and important, for everyone, and therefore I don’t want to get soda and gomor in that particular place! Well then they will get it all !!!
                      8. cniza
                        cniza 13 June 2020 21: 06
                        +2
                        This is not the right word for everyone, they will put everyone, as it were softer to say - in the pose of a running deer ...
                      9. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 June 2020 21: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: cniza
                        This is not the right word for everyone, they will put everyone, as it were softer to say - in the pose of a running deer ...

                        They will try and with many they do it the most!
                      10. cniza
                        cniza 13 June 2020 21: 56
                        +2
                        Let these very many take care of themselves, we are too tough for them ...
  • Soko
    Soko 13 June 2020 11: 53
    +2
    Kiev actually came out of the Minsk agreements

    So Kiev did not seem to be present there in fact
  • cniza
    cniza 13 June 2020 11: 59
    +3
    Kiev actually came out of the Minsk agreements


    But he did not enter them, he simply delayed time from complete defeat ...
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 13 June 2020 11: 59
    -1
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Will active hostilities begin again? In Kukuev - Get Out Of The Mind! Another nail - in the Ukrainian statehood, which is so practically gone ...
    Russia needs to make a Tough Political Statement ... and openly (for starters) supply LDN Weapons!

    First you need to reset. This is the most important thing on the agenda now. Everything else will wait.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 June 2020 12: 29
      +3
      Quote: Sentry73
      First you need to reset. It is most important

      Take the republic into Russia and zeroing is guaranteed. Like victory in the election.
      So? So.
      That is, it turns out that Putin himself works against you?
      1. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
        ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 13 June 2020 13: 47
        -1
        Sentry 73. This is an account from Ukraine. He himself wrote about it here in VO, it’s hard to prove anything to a person.
    2. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
      ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 13 June 2020 13: 48
      -3
      Are you worried about the political processes in Russia?
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 13 June 2020 12: 41
    +3
    Kiev actually came out of the Minsk agreements

    and in the LPR responded with dignity - they blocked the Antifascist site
    1. Avior
      Avior 13 June 2020 18: 49
      0
      The anti-fascist and the Russian spring were fined - they dared to write about a multi-day underground strike at the Komsomolskaya mine.
      This helped the miners, but the sites were blocked.
  • Topol M
    Topol M 13 June 2020 13: 04
    +1
    I also said during the Minsk meeting that this country is not up to them! They were given a break in the conflict, but they had to finish off in their den! And now we have a greyhound, which is trying to impose its conditions upon the submission of the US. It is necessary to issue Russian passports as much as possible and finish the trip to the Dnieper
  • sl3
    sl3 13 June 2020 14: 21
    -3
    The Kiev authorities consider the Minsk agreements to be worthless.
    Maybe it's the Kiev authorities useless.
  • codetalker
    codetalker 13 June 2020 14: 44
    -1
    Let them refuse! The main thing is not to refuse.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 13 June 2020 15: 19
    0
    Kiev really wants ....... but ..... can not .......!
  • Kadum
    Kadum 13 June 2020 15: 40
    -1
    Well, the United States withdraws from all treaties, and Russia, too ..
    And Donbass all the more (sniper rookies ..) ..I like this! Already they can not be restrained ..
    Let them go hunting alone! hi
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 13 June 2020 15: 59
    -4
    The president seems to be impotent in the Foreign Ministry. We do not have an agreement on state borders. So it is necessary to resolve the issue in a comprehensive manner. To negotiate and determine new borders of Ukraine, taking into account all conditions. True, it will remain few, but these are the problems of Ukraine, and not ours ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 June 2020 16: 31
      0
      Quote: Dzafdet
      To negotiate and determine new borders of Ukraine, taking into account all conditions.

      That would be a mistake.
      We must not limit ourselves.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 13 June 2020 20: 41
        0
        Never be. This is out of the question.
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 13 June 2020 18: 18
      -1
      That doesn't work
    3. CommanderDIVA
      CommanderDIVA 13 June 2020 21: 27
      0
      The state border with Ukraine has long been identified on the maps; it has been demilitated for ten years already, as almost all issues on disputed areas have been resolved. Demarcation, namely the designation of the state border in the area with border signs, has not been carried out, Ukraine has unilaterally tried to do something, but this process should be bilateral
  • Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 13 June 2020 16: 14
    +1
    But Surkov returns with Borodoyem ... There is nothing to rejoice about.
  • LeonidL
    LeonidL 13 June 2020 17: 37
    +1
    The fact that the Minsk agreements are useless and do not satisfy anyone became clear even when the ink on the signatures had not yet dried. Initially, Donbass understood that it was only through a bloody nightmare that he could return to Absurdistan. Russia, too, does not need these "agreements" for a variety of reasons, primarily on the principle that Putin himself declared "Russia does not abandon Russians" ... well, he interpreted it differently in Crimea and Donbass, but what is said is said. .. Most likely, Russia will have to decide - either Donbass is part of the Russian Federation or all the words of the President are empty words ... the echo of which can very painfully backfire.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 13 June 2020 18: 19
      -3
      President's words empty sound for a very long time
    2. Alt 22
      Alt 22 14 June 2020 11: 40
      +2
      Alas, Russia does not abandon the Russians - it just gives them to Kazakhstan and Ukraine ...
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 13 June 2020 18: 36
    -5
    Well let them go, then we will have a carte blanche to shame the Sumerians further, thereby freeing the territories occupied by the Kiev regime))
  • Andrey Vasilievich
    Andrey Vasilievich 13 June 2020 19: 05
    -1
    Quote: Seeker
    you just have to remember

    The only difference is that "Our Kyiv" then meant a little differently than now. Soviet? No. Is the power of the people in Russia now? No.
  • itis
    itis 13 June 2020 19: 30
    -1
    go to exacerbations wherever they can. amers have the usual and in the current situation the only mode of operandi. they are the "poker nation". we still seem to have prefs
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 13 June 2020 20: 34
    +3
    I must say right away (who does not know) I am the Crimea pgtPrimorsky.
    Minsk agreements ... This is about nothing.
    I don’t understand, nobody understands how this can be in principle.
    People were killed, houses were destroyed. Then they say, well, good ... Right now we will discuss here, we will continue to live together .. All this mess a little bit out of the stage of my "kitchen brawl for drunkenness, however."
    I'm afraid no one will live together. How do you see it for yourself ?!
    Personally, I do not see the options for living together in one state from the word at all.
    1. CommanderDIVA
      CommanderDIVA 13 June 2020 21: 30
      +2
      That's right, too much blood has been spilled and is still pouring, but some here on the site cannot explain it.
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 13 June 2020 20: 36
    0
    Yes, in fact, Ukraine has withdrawn from the Minsk agreements. Well...? WHY is the Russian Foreign Ministry silent?
    1. alien
      alien 13 June 2020 22: 33
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      Yes, in fact, Ukraine has withdrawn from the Minsk agreements.

      Russian Foreign Minister
      “The ongoing crisis in Ukraine, with all its grave humanitarian consequences, is the result of a staged, financed and organized from abroad coup d'état in February 2014, which led to an armed confrontation in Donbass and numerous sufferings of millions of civilians in Ukraine.

      In these conditions, the USA, Canada, Great Britain and a number of EU countries continue to train, equip and incite the Ukrainian army to further violence against the Donbas. For example, in the Lviv region, next to the international center of the National Academy of the Ground Forces of Ukraine, where foreign instructors teach Ukrainian military personnel "the art of war", a training complex called "Actions in Urban Areas" is being built. What specific combat conditions they are preparing for is eloquently evidenced by the facilities being built in the training camp, which include, for example, a mine. According to the information of the command of the ground forces of Ukraine, from 8 to 12 battalion-tactical groups of various units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine should go through the course of combat in urban areas. "
      https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/4157607
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 14 June 2020 09: 15
        +1
        You do not understand: I was talking about REAL statements, and NOT about another empty chatter, NOT about the next one hundred and first "Chinese" statement.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 13 June 2020 20: 38
    +2
    Quote: Topol M
    I also said during the Minsk meeting that this country is not up to them! They were given a break in the conflict, but they had to finish off in their den! And now we have a greyhound, which is trying to impose its conditions upon the submission of the US. It is necessary to issue Russian passports as much as possible and finish the trip to the Dnieper

    And why only to the Dnieper? Kiev, which is no longer the mother of Russian cities?
  • Alexander Barinov
    Alexander Barinov 13 June 2020 21: 04
    -2
    What a surprise from the rotten and passionate Ukraine *? They are brothers and sisters. Remind for whom?
  • veritas
    veritas 13 June 2020 21: 47
    +2
    The Kiev authorities consider the Minsk Agreements to be worthless, which ended in 2015. The corresponding statement was made by Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Alexei Reznikov.

    The Kiev authorities are useless and in the event of an aggravation of the conflict, Russia should show them this.
  • Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 14 June 2020 02: 34
    0
    Quote: revnagan
    Quote: Suslin
    In my opinion, it's time to denounce Russian guarantees

    The price of "Russian guarantees" became clear after the "Budapest Memorandum" ...

    please remind me, when did Ukraine ratify this very memorandum?
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 14 June 2020 05: 48
    +2
    If Banderaites are pleased to talk to themselves, these are their problems, but it is naive to believe that a couple of Banderaites will be run by Russia and the Russians, who are the majority in the Donbas.
  • NF68
    NF68 14 June 2020 16: 27
    +1
    Kiev didn’t enter there very much.
  • sleeve
    sleeve 15 June 2020 06: 02
    0
    In light of the latest Euro-liberal trends, Russia is to blame for everything. All politically significant events are carried over to after the New Year. SP-2 will be completed. The second wave of HF will pass. Anarchy or plutocracy will be determined. Then the LDNR's withdrawal from the contracts. A couple of statements from us about "clear skies over civilian objects." From their side, another shelling and voila, new attacks on the converging. Capture of Mariupol. Referendum in Kharkov. This is from the ripe.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 15 June 2020 19: 55
      -1
      Quote: sleeve
      This is from ripened.

      Yeah, crazy nonsense.
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 15 June 2020 20: 09
        0
        I would exclude the phrase "delirium of a madman" from the lexicon in light of the latest political trends and trends.
  • Valery Kuzmin
    Valery Kuzmin 15 June 2020 07: 37
    -2
    Well, if Kiev has come out, then let it say goodbye to its allies in the east, and at the same time with the held territories of the don and meadow regions. Not long left.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 15 June 2020 19: 53
      -1
      Quote: Valery Kuzmin
      Not long left.

      Oh-oh-oh, have you saddled your "battle couch" already?