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Ukroboronprom criticized Antonov for refusing to purchase Russian components

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Ukroboronprom criticized Antonov for refusing to purchase Russian components

An interesting situation is developing in a neighboring state. Earlier, Ukroboronprom categorically opposed any Russian presence in Ukrainian equipment criticized Antonov for refusing to purchase Russian components even through the American intermediary Boeing Distribution. This was reported by the Ukrainian information and consulting agency Defense Express.


According to Defense Express, during a meeting of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on National Security, Defense and Intelligence, Ukroboronprom brought Antonova many charges, among them the refusal to purchase parts of Russian production through an intermediary chosen with the participation of Ukroboronprom. This emphasizes that once the concern itself sharply opposed the schemes of such purchases, but, apparently, all the talk about the independence of Ukraine and the rejection of Russian components in production turned out to be zilch.

According to reports, in 2018, Ukroboronprom found an intermediary for the purchase of Russian components necessary for the production of the An-148, An-158, An-178 aircraft, or the An-1X8 NEXT, as they are called in Ukraine. All attempts to import substitution of Russian parts failed, so it was decided to purchase them, but not directly, but through an intermediary.

What is the specific reason for the non-delivery of Russian parts not specified, it is reported only that “Antonov” could not even get them through an intermediary.
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  1. Kadum
    Kadum 13 June 2020 07: 39
    28
    Farewell to the legendary "An" such a production was destroyed .. The whole country was building!
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 13 June 2020 07: 52
      25
      Ukroboronprom criticized Antonov for refusing to purchase Russian components

      Earlier, Ukroboronprom, which was categorically opposed to any Russian presence in Ukrainian equipment, criticized Antonov for refusing to purchase Russian components even through the American intermediary Boeing Distribution.


      It must be the same, the Soviet Union is gone, but the "urge" for a single cooperation remained.

      But if Ukraine itself, unilaterally and on its own initiative, having cut off all the "ends" is unable to overcome the consequences of the rupture on its own, then the Russian industry, at the very least, overcomes them.
      Opening new production or renewing the old.

      To whom, in the end, WERE MUCH MORE DONE, Panov?
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 13 June 2020 08: 10
        14
        The main thing here is the very statement of the image problem. It was not Russia that refused to supply components to the side, but Antonov refused to take them, even through an American intermediary. Those. there is access to the Russian market, but "heroes" would better cut off their hand or gouge their eyes out.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 13 June 2020 08: 16
          25
          Quote: Vita VKO
          The main thing here is the very statement of the image problem. It was not Russia that refused to supply components to the side, but Antonov refused to take them, even through an American intermediary. Those. there is access to the Russian market, but "heroes" would better cut off their hand or gouge their eyes out.

          Managers of "ANTK" apparently just perebdit a little, so as not to be suspected and accused of "spite" and "trick" ...

          Such is the reality on the outskirts, where not reason prevails, or at least prudence, but terry Bandera hatred of Russia and all Russian.
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 13 June 2020 08: 51
            11
            This is the essence of Ukrainians. Moreover, it has never been different, including in Soviet times. Even the Great October Socialist Revolution was viewed by Ukrainian communists only as a means of "freeing themselves from the imperial oppression of Moscow." So the Ukrainian communists were essentially no different from the Ukrainian nationalists.
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 13 June 2020 15: 13
          +2
          It was not Russia that refused to supply components to the side, but Antonov refused to take them, even through an American intermediary.

          I am tormented by vague doubts that Russia is sleeping and sees how to sell something to Antonov. Yes, even to the Americans, at the same time, give a weld for everything that they have arranged in Ukraine.
          1. vkfriendly
            vkfriendly 13 June 2020 16: 36
            -5
            Enumeration and everything will pass. Russia is not selling anything to anyone. Russian enterprises are being sold which, as we recall, were privatized and made private. Purely state owned with 100% participation is not by definition. See the difference or not?
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 14 June 2020 00: 02
              +1
              Do not write nonsense.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 June 2020 08: 12
        +6
        Quote: Insurgent
        To whom, in the end, WERE MUCH MORE DONE, Panov?

        To spite mom’s frostbitten ears. Once again, they wrote in a well from which they drink water.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 13 June 2020 08: 20
          12
          Quote: tihonmarine
          To spite mom’s frostbitten ears.

          One could also use: "To the evil conductor - walking behind the train", but they can't go anymore ...
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 June 2020 09: 11
            +4
            Quote: Insurgent
            One could also use: "To evil the conductor - walk behind the train", but they can no longer go ..

            More suitable for these guys. "To spite the stewardess, I'll jump out of the plane."
      3. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 13 June 2020 10: 33
        +3
        Quote: Insurgent
        Ukroboronprom criticized Antonov for refusing to purchase Russian components

        Earlier, Ukroboronprom, which was categorically opposed to any Russian presence in Ukrainian equipment, criticized Antonov for refusing to purchase Russian components even through the American intermediary Boeing Distribution.


        It must be the same, the Soviet Union is gone, but the "urge" for a single cooperation remained.

        But if Ukraine itself, unilaterally and on its own initiative, having cut off all the "ends" is unable to overcome the consequences of the rupture on its own, then the Russian industry, at the very least, overcomes them.
        Opening new production or renewing the old.

        To whom, in the end, WERE MUCH MORE DONE, Panov?


        Western curators want to destroy GP Antonov. Local bureaucrats, in turn, need land in the center of Kiev.
        his place was temporarily intercepted by the vice president for designing the Antonov state enterprise, Alexander Los.

        It must be assumed that the Elk was seen by the “optimizers” as a figure more loyal than the Donets who kicked to the last. However, the events did not end there.

        June 9 - on the day when the message about the dismissal of the Donets appeared - the “Antonovites” came out to protest. They published an appeal to the authorities, in which they drew attention to the flagrant situation around the flagship of the aircraft industry of Ukraine:

        “In connection with the aggressive policy that the Ukroboronprom Concern pursues in the aviation industry and in relation to the Antonov state enterprise, in particular, the trade unions initiated an open press conference with the participation of the enterprise’s staff. We must state that the Ukroboronprom Group of Companies, which Antonov has been a part of since 2015, is taking measures aimed at terminating the enterprise’s activities, ”the statement said.
        Antonovtsi did not forget to note that Ukroboronprom attracted foreign companies closely related to competitors of the state-owned enterprise in inspections of the strategic sensitive enterprise.

        https://riafan.ru/1283845-degradaciya-antonova-postavila-na-gran-likvidacii-flagman-aviastroeniya-ukrainy
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 13 June 2020 10: 35
          +4
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          Western curators want to destroy GP Antonov. Local bureaucrats, in turn, need land in the center of Kiev.


          И good luck to them simpler sim yes
    2. knn54
      knn54 13 June 2020 08: 33
      +9
      There was only one step left to FULL destruction.
      At Ukroboronprom, cynicism and hypocrisy are going through the roof - they have already decided on the future builder of the entertainment complex.
      And the production "somewhere" out of town. Is not it "in the clear field."
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 13 June 2020 08: 45
        +8
        Quote: knn54
        There was only one step left to FULL destruction.
        At Ukroboronprom, cynicism and hypocrisy are going through the roof - they have already decided on the future builder of the entertainment complex.
        And the production "somewhere" out of town. Is not it "in the clear field."


        "Tailwind in humpback" yes
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 June 2020 09: 14
        +4
        Quote: knn54
        And the production "somewhere" out of town. Is not it "in the clear field."

        But rather, not in the field, but they will demolish it with a bulldozer, sell the iron in ferrous metal, but the workers will be released into the field.
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 13 June 2020 09: 49
      -15 qualifying.
      And we ourselves, in terms of the notorious import substitution, all Praise God? Then where is our world-class microelectronics for starters? ??
      1. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 13 June 2020 09: 56
        +7
        so get busy, then shake the air in the comments ... or just know how to whine while sitting on the couch?
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    4. Uncle Izya
      Uncle Izya 13 June 2020 13: 44
      -9
      What is that only in Ukraine?
      But ZIL Moskvich was not built by the whole country, but tractor plants?
  2. Mitroha
    Mitroha 13 June 2020 07: 43
    10
    The news from the non-profit one is becoming more and more like sketches from the psychiatric clinic.
    Although even there, probably, not so much enchanting idiocy always happens.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 13 June 2020 08: 11
      +6
      Quote: Mitroha
      The news from the non-profit one is becoming more and more like sketches from the psychiatric clinic.
      Although even there, probably, not so much enchanting idiocy always happens.


      From the first day of the "Euromaidan", idiotic in meaning and Jesuitical, in 2014, when the outskirts finally derailed and rushed downhill ....
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 June 2020 08: 14
      +4
      Quote: Mitroha
      The news from the non-profit one is becoming more and more like sketches from the psychiatric clinic.

      Yes, this news from the dispensary, as it began in 1991, continues.
      1. Kadum
        Kadum 13 June 2020 08: 43
        -1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Yes, this news from the dispensary, as it began in 1991, continues.

        Kharkov psycho hospital (of union significance) .. As it was closed in the 91st, it started .. laughing
  3. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 13 June 2020 07: 47
    15
    What is the specific reason for the non-delivery of Russian parts not specified, it is reported only that “Antonov” could not even get them through an intermediary.

    Why does Boeing need a competitor? The Sumerians are so stupid that as an intermediary they found the person most uninterested in the existence of the Ukrainian aircraft industry. It’s just like the Kalashnikov concern would try to sell its products through Winchester or Remington. Well stupid-s-s-s !!!!!
    1. mark1
      mark1 13 June 2020 07: 51
      +1
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      Why is Boeing a competitor?

      What kind of competitor is he to Boeing? Only the opportunity to cut some money on intermediary services (in both directions, as I suspect)
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 June 2020 08: 18
        +7
        Quote: mark1
        What kind of competitor is he to Boeing? Only the opportunity to cut some money on intermediary services (in both directions, as I suspect)

        If Boeing has enterprises in Russia and is carrying out joint development, then in Ukraine Boeing does not, Ukraine does not need Boeing.
        1. mark1
          mark1 13 June 2020 08: 24
          0
          A lot of money does not happen and stupidly act as an intermediary in the exchange of goods between the two parties, while earning a certain penny, that’s the whole Boeing interest.
        2. illi
          illi 13 June 2020 08: 44
          +5
          If Boeing has enterprises in Russia and is carrying out joint development, then in Ukraine Boeing does not, Ukraine does not need Boeing.

          Boeing in Russia does not have any production facilities and joint developments. There is a joint venture with avisma for the production of titanium billets and a design center in Moscow. That is, in fact, we need Boeing, raw materials and cheap brains.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 June 2020 09: 27
            +3
            Quote: illi
            Boeing in Russia does not have any production facilities and joint developments. There is a joint venture with avisma for the production of titanium billets and a design center in Moscow.

            Something like that, but also a little more. On December 15, 2009, the Boeing 787, Dreamliner made its first flight. The first new civilian aircraft made by the American aircraft industry in 15 years.
            Well, it would seem - and where does our website - Made with us, in Russia? And besides that, why is this plane American? The Dreamliner is also a Russian aircraft, largely designed and tested in Russia, and made from Russian-made parts. Dream flying.
            The transfer of design work to Russia Boeing began in the first half of the 1990s. In 1993, the Boeing opened a Scientific and Technical Center in Moscow, in 1998 - the Moscow Design Center (MCC). Today it is the largest engineering center outside the United States - about 1.000 design engineers, not counting technical personnel.
            The Boeing Design Center in Moscow took an active part in more than 250 projects, and since 2000, in all Boeing - Civil Aircraft programs, including such large-scale projects as the 747 Boeing Converted Freighter, Boeing 737-900ER, Boeing 777-200LR / 300ER, Boeing 777F, Boeing 767-200SF / 300BCF, Boeing 747LCF, the new aircraft of the 747 Boeing 747-8 family and the latest airliner - Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
            The building of the Moscow Design Bureau of Boeing - Newspaper Lane, d.17 / 9. This is a 5-minute walk from the Kremlin along Tverskaya. According to Boeing estimates, approximately a third of the engineering projects for the Boeing 787 aircraft were completed by MCC specialists, and the level of participation in the development of other types of Boeing aircraft ranges from 30 to 40%.
            Well, this is according to the Dreamliner, and here is what was designed in Russia according to the Boeing-747LCF - the latest modification of the Boeing transport.
            Engineered parts of the aircraft in Russia are shown in blue.
            This is the work of the Boeing Design Bureau itself in Moscow. And, in addition, in Russia Boeing has contracts with dozens of other organizations:
            1. illi
              illi 14 June 2020 08: 45
              +2
              Well, I don’t even know whether to be proud here or to grieve. That upscale specialists in whose training a lot of money has been invested, do not find a place in the domestic aviation industry. And they create planes for Boeing and the USA.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 15 June 2020 09: 09
                0
                Quote: illi
                Well, I don’t even know whether to be proud here or to grieve.

                I do not know either.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 June 2020 09: 48
            +6
            Quote: illi
            There is a joint venture with avisma for the production of titanium billets

            Titanium stampings are "raw materials" ????
            Even just titanium in ingots is not a raw material but a high-tech product.

            Boeing in Russia has a design center in Moscow, a joint venture Ural Boeing Manufacturing, a research center for the development of titanium alloys for the aircraft industry, and a training center in Skolkovo.
            1. illi
              illi 16 June 2020 08: 08
              +1
              Here, as they say, everyone is free to think how he pleases. Personally, I do not consider this production to be high-tech. All Boeing policies are transparent as glass. They get here at bargain prices what the United States has to pay many times more. This also applies to materials and specialists.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 16 June 2020 08: 11
                0
                Quote: illi
                Here, as they say, everyone is free to think how he pleases. Personally, I do not consider this production to be high-tech.

                At exactly
                Some are sure that the rolls themselves grow on trees. And the loafers-villagers just go and rip off
                1. illi
                  illi 16 June 2020 08: 39
                  0
                  Well, do not you advise me in this matter. What about Avisma, Salda is not too far here and no one here in the Urals considers them particularly high-tech. So about the rolls, in the saints of the 90s I had to keep a garden and my mother baked bread.
                  To tell the truth, in the post-perestroika period the bulk of high-tech industries did not survive, and the level of redistribution is now much lower than the USSR. If earlier there was an ore-plane, ore-tractor level, now the ore-procurement level for a Boeing is already good.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 16 June 2020 10: 09
                    +1
                    Quote: illi
                    Well, do not you advise me in this matter.

                    Naturally.
                    To convince me that rolls do not grow on trees are personally breaking for me.
                    1. illi
                      illi 16 June 2020 10: 11
                      0
                      In general, I don’t understand people who are talking about metallurgy, and they are talking about rolls. So don’t bother.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 16 June 2020 10: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: illi
                        In general, I don’t understand people who are talking about metallurgy, and they are talking about rolls.

                        I noticed this in you ...
                        To declare stampings from specialized alloys as "raw materials" could well be a person who would never understand the connection between metallurgy and rolls on trees

                        Quote: illi
                        So don’t bother.

                        I won’t. Really useless.
                      2. illi
                        illi 16 June 2020 11: 38
                        0
                        I have seen such a production that for me, titanium castings really are not the top of technology. For me, this is a semi-finished product, the next step after raw materials. Using your bread roll analogy, it's flour. To the final production of the aircraft, there is more than the distance from flour to rolls. However, you can agree with you, probably now this is the top of most chains in the Russian Federation.
                        Although all the same, it should be noted that in aviation our government is making attempts to revive.
      2. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 13 June 2020 18: 36
        0
        Quote: tihonmarine
        If Boeing has enterprises in Russia

        Moreover, in Moscow there is a department of a design bureau, 200 people work. A graduate of the Moscow Aviation Institute came out of the gates of the institute, looked around - and on the contrary a Boeing sign. Just cross the street.
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 13 June 2020 12: 21
      +1
      Quote: mark1
      What kind of competitor is he to Boeing?

      Boeing, not Boeing, but still a competitor - "! Among other claims made by Ukroboronprom to the Antonov company is the refusal to cooperate with the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance for the sake of producing a naval patrol aircraft with Neptune anti-ship missiles https: // vz.ru/news/2020/6/12/1044734.html
  • ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 13 June 2020 08: 00
    +3
    So, even through an intermediary, money is needed, apparently in Ukroboronprom did not guess, Give it a free ride.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 13 June 2020 08: 05
    +2
    Earlier, Ukroboronprom, which was categorically opposed to any Russian presence in Ukrainian equipment, criticized Antonov for refusing to purchase Russian components even through the American intermediary Boeing Distribution.

    Most likely, this is the result of a change in the leadership of Antonov. The new general is known for his destructive activities in past places and focus on the interests of American mentors.
  • Good forester
    Good forester 13 June 2020 08: 09
    +4
    So it became cool in the Ukrainian department. First, they cut the branch they are sitting on, then they throw Antonov to the show. The owners of Ukraine will not let the plant work. They drown him or have already drowned, but they will not let him come up again.
    1. V.I.P.
      V.I.P. 13 June 2020 08: 19
      +1
      Well, why? Listen to criticism and start purchasing. Just let out the competitor Il112 / 114)))
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 13 June 2020 08: 46
        +2
        An140 is called .... about 15 years ago he was released, he had all chances to be the main region. They also let him out to Iran. And where is he?
    2. cniza
      cniza 13 June 2020 08: 38
      +6
      Quote: Good Forester
      The owners of Ukraine will not let the plant work. They drown him or have already drowned, but they will not let him come up again.


      Of course, they do not need any industry in Ukraine ...
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 13 June 2020 09: 57
        +7
        Quote: cniza
        Quote: Good Forester
        The owners of Ukraine will not let the plant work. They drown him or have already drowned, but they will not let him come up again.


        Of course, they do not need any industry in Ukraine ...

        It’s clear that we need cheap labor and territory
        hi
        1. Kadum
          Kadum 13 June 2020 10: 12
          +1
          Quote: Terenin
          It’s clear that we need cheap labor and territory

          Alas, no, Gennady! The West needs a "Russophobic ring of fire" around Russia. And they are ready to pay "big money" for this state to last as long as possible ..
          That's just the US Congress and K. miscalculated and they themselves have these problems arose for which they paid ..
          Khrushchev, Brezhnev were Ukrainians and they cherished her, but all in vain Trillions of rubles went into the sewers. hi
          Maybe for the better! Russia has a huge territory not developed and with huge reserves of everything ..
          PS We are waiting, we live, we are chewing bread .. (Ural-Siberia-Far East) ...
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 13 June 2020 10: 19
            +6
            Quote: Kadum
            Russia has a huge territory not developed and with huge reserves of everything ..

            That's right! yes
        2. cniza
          cniza 13 June 2020 11: 44
          +2
          Quote: Terenin

          It’s clear that we need cheap labor and territory
          hi


          Yes, and also devastation, disorder and lousiness on us.
  • Ilya Nikitich
    Ilya Nikitich 13 June 2020 08: 16
    +3
    But what about the lack of solidity, autonomy, and now that’s all ???
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 June 2020 08: 36
      +4
      Apparently all went out into an empty sound.
      1. Kadum
        Kadum 13 June 2020 10: 22
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        Apparently all went out into an empty sound.

        They yelled on the Maidan, burned a "golden eagle" and are waiting for "a rain of dollar investments."
        And they are forced to continue the war ... And dragged by forelocks hi
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 13 June 2020 09: 58
      +7
      Quote: Ilya Nikitich
      But what about the lack of solidity, autonomy, and now that’s all ???

      It turns out that self-sufficiency did not lie down, that's all winked
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 13 June 2020 08: 21
    +3
    Yeah. Somehow they didn’t do it in Ukrainian. Suspiciously. Are Kremlin agents to blame? After all, normal, by their standards, they buy Russian gas from Europe. Overpaying the truth, but after all, principles, Nenko, my woman! laughing
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 June 2020 08: 36
      +4
      Now, the right-wingers will explain to them how to love their homeland ... but seriously, they finished the branch on which they sat ...
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 13 June 2020 10: 01
      +6
      Quote: Captive
      Somehow they didn’t do it in Ukrainian.
      just in Ukrainian
      because
      Quote: Captive
      Suspiciously.
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 13 June 2020 08: 25
    +8
    This can only be rejoiced. Ideally, to help them ruin everything to the end, it amazes me how purely by accident some kind of fire did not happen for so many years in half-empty workshops. All neighbors of the Russian Federation should be treated like Israel, all around which enemies are unfriendly forces with a missile at once along Boryspil. don't give a damn what civilian flights are. There is no water in the Crimea - chop off the most Golan heights tobizh to the Dnieper
  • demo
    demo 13 June 2020 08: 26
    +2
    I think the reason is not that our Russian hucksters suddenly flamed up with patriotism (our hucksters were born anti-patriots of Russia), but most likely that either the Antonovites were completely stupefied by embroidery, or they simply did not have money.
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 June 2020 08: 34
      +7
      What is there to be wise, there is simply no money. yes
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 13 June 2020 10: 02
      +8
      Quote: demo
      or they just don’t have money.

      Usually no one has money - brains winked
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 13 June 2020 10: 59
        +6
        hi
        Quote: demo
        I think the reason is not that our Russian hucksters suddenly ignited patriotism ....

        Especially when patriotism reinforced by tight controls and identified risks - and this is correct in this case. It’s a pity that the Antonov brand turned out to be outside of Russia, but otherwise Amenthey themselves wanted it
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 13 June 2020 11: 32
          +7
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          It’s a pity that the Antonov brand turned out to be outside of Russia,

          of course sorry but
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          they themselves wanted it


          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          and the rest is Amen

          Verily amen yes
          hi
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 13 June 2020 12: 15
            +3
            Quote: Terenin
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            and the rest is Amen
            Verily amen yes hi

            Only organisms that believe that the world revolves around them could hope for the help of Westerners in the development of high-tech industries. According to the experience of the same Baltic states and former oats, they put everything worthwhile under a knife, make furniture maximum
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 13 June 2020 14: 45
              +5
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              Quote: Terenin
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              and the rest is Amen
              Verily amen yes hi

              Only organisms that believe that the world revolves around them could hope for the help of Westerners in the development of high-tech industries. According to the experience of the same Baltic states and former oats, they put everything worthwhile under a knife, make furniture maximum

              Yes, we ourselves are on the verge of it.
              I remember our giant factories - AZLK, Rubin, Hammer and Sickle, ZIL, which were destroyed after the collapse of the USSR.
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 13 June 2020 20: 04
                +1
                Quote: Terenin
                Yes, we ourselves are on the verge of it. I remember our giant factories ....

                It remains to thank the Almighty and someone else that this process was stopped on time, though not without consequences. Some deals were stopped from the aquarium; some bourgeois themselves lost interest, for example, when they were ousted, how they removed the Boeing fighters from the assembly workshop at the Komsomol plant
                1. Terenin
                  Terenin 13 June 2020 20: 48
                  +3
                  Quote: Pete Mitchell
                  It remains to thank the Almighty

                  You understood me correctly, I missed the word "were" in the 90s and 00s. hi
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 13 June 2020 08: 29
    +2
    Everything, as usual, is simpler: it's just an excuse. They themselves cannot release aircraft, and the aggressor did not sell engines.
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 13 June 2020 10: 06
      0
      they have their own engines, from Russia avionics and parts of the wing bodies are needed yes the chassis
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 13 June 2020 11: 39
        +1
        Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
        from Russia avionics and details of the wing bodies are needed yes the chassis

        Let Turkey be addressed. They have now freed up power after the launch of the fe-35 program.
        1. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 13 June 2020 12: 32
          +1
          Wait, they shared technology with the Turks
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 13 June 2020 15: 50
            0
            Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
            Wait, they shared technology with the Turks

            Well yes. They "shared" with the Chinese, "shared" with the North Koreans, turned inside out before the Americans ... The Turks, the worse?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 13 June 2020 08: 29
    +5
    Are you too smart ??? It seems like wisdom .... just jumped.
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 June 2020 08: 33
      +6
      It’s called pros ... kakali, and now everything .. hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 June 2020 08: 39
        +4
        Hi soldier
        It makes no sense to guess. Commercial matters.
        Someone needs to buy, the question is, and someone needs to sell?
        It’s not clear.
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 June 2020 08: 42
          +5
          In my opinion, everything is much simpler, they used to get what they needed, and then they paid, now nothing, especially through an intermediary, the money in advance, but they are not there.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 June 2020 08: 44
            +2
            Also an option .... we don’t know for sure, I don’t want to guess.
            1. cniza
              cniza 13 June 2020 08: 45
              +5
              We don’t guess, we just understand how everything worked with Ukraine before and what they achieved.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 13 June 2020 08: 49
                +3
                There is a feeling that they themselves don’t understand each other ... they come to consensus only when they break off to the fullest .... they begin to look for the guilty party. Nothing new.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 13 June 2020 11: 37
                  +2
                  I think they immediately know the culprit, it’s just not them, and then their envy is beyond measure.
              2. Terenin
                Terenin 13 June 2020 10: 08
                +7
                Quote: cniza
                We don’t guess, we just understand how everything worked with Ukraine before and what they achieved.

                It turns out that political slogans are equally proportional to the socio-economic outcome yes
                1. cniza
                  cniza 13 June 2020 11: 41
                  +2
                  It seems to me that they are happening in different universes, slogans for slogans and for the sake of slogans, and they are looking for the result of their position from their neighbors ... Greetings! hi
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 13 June 2020 12: 17
                    +1
                    The guilty, the main ones, have already been appointed, but this does not cancel the internal showdown!
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 13 June 2020 12: 19
                      +2
                      Quote: rocket757
                      The guilty, the main ones, have already been appointed, but this does not cancel the internal showdown!


                      The main showdown is yet to come ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 June 2020 12: 30
                        +1
                        Assuming that they figure it out, never did!
                        Arrange "debriefing", but it still will not fly!
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 13 June 2020 13: 25
                        +2
                        They soon will not even crawl, sorry for ordinary people ...
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 June 2020 13: 35
                        +1
                        It's a pity ... but the state, my hut from the edge, is their choice! We don’t have enough for all the pitfalls.
                      4. cniza
                        cniza 13 June 2020 13: 39
                        +1
                        This is so, everything is in their hands, we can only help, after their initiative actions.
                      5. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 June 2020 13: 55
                        +1
                        The presented victory does not please everyone, and they will not be appreciated in any way.
                      6. cniza
                        cniza 13 June 2020 15: 48
                        +1
                        No, to give them victory, or rather, no one should do for them, we can only support, and we must ...
                      7. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 June 2020 17: 04
                        +1
                        If we support it, but so far nothing, then no business.
                      8. cniza
                        cniza 13 June 2020 17: 23
                        +1
                        Unfortunately, for now, yes, and we don’t know much to appreciate everything.
  • Kadum
    Kadum 13 June 2020 12: 37
    +1
    Quote: rocket757
    Are you too smart ??? It seems like wisdom .... just jumped.

    They descended to African countries .. Who was before the Ukrainian SSR and what has become now? It is being converted into Syria, Iraq and Libya .. When all the black soil is taken out, it will turn into a desert ..
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 13 June 2020 12: 39
      0
      The topic is sick! Because nearby, because not strangers!
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 13 June 2020 08: 47
    +3
    This is a political question. And it must be solved politically. Ukraine, its political elite, are fascists. And I have a question: "Who is ready to trade with these fascists? Name. In Russia, you need to know traitors." They cut off the water in Crimea and do a lot of other nasty things, but Russia will keep the company and production is ready! And note that our government does not present anything to the fascists and does not set conditions. Money doesn't smell !!
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 June 2020 08: 50
    -1
    All attempts to import substitution of Russian parts failed, so it was decided to purchase them, but not directly, but through an intermediary.
    Right, request from the hands of Europe and the USA, our carrots are sweeter for true dill.repeat
  • baza1
    baza1 13 June 2020 09: 07
    +1
    Maybe Antonovtsy blocked a strong pullback ukroboronprom?
    1. Kadum
      Kadum 13 June 2020 12: 39
      -1
      Quote: baza1
      Maybe Antonovtsy blocked a strong pullback ukroboronprom?

      There have been no Antonovites there for a long time .. Just rusting capacities and territories .. The task is to sell it all, as profitable as possible .. But no one is buying anymore .. even the Chinese!
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  • APASUS
    APASUS 13 June 2020 09: 20
    0
    The situation looks like a farce! But what about the American friends, didn't they "help" Antonov? After all, a wagon of spare parts was promised and almost a transition to the production of Boeing ..............
    1. Kadum
      Kadum 13 June 2020 12: 42
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      The situation looks like a farce! But what about the American friends, didn't they "help" Antonov? After all, a wagon of spare parts was promised and almost a transition to the production of Boeing ..............

      It is easier to export girls to the United Arab Emirates, etc. And for a long time the flow is .. Soon on the outskirts of women will not be missed laughing drinks
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 13 June 2020 12: 45
      0
      Promising doesn't mean getting married. Won KRAZ bets from "friends", and the bankruptcy procedure has begun and is threatened with massive redundancies
  • Eug
    Eug 13 June 2020 09: 32
    0
    The fight for the one in whose mouth the dumplings will jump when purchasing accessories ...
  • Terenin
    Terenin 13 June 2020 09: 55
    +6
    Interesting situation takes shape in a neighboring state.

    It would be interesting if it hadn’t had a Bandera armed coup d'etat with deaths that did not occur and now killings of its citizens in the Southeast ...
    And, the situation is rightly called go. Otsko-deplorable-brainless.
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 13 June 2020 11: 34
    0
    Ukroboronprom brought forward many accusations against Antonov, including refusal to purchase parts produced in Russia through an intermediary chosen with the participation of Ukroboronprom itself, emphasizing that once the concern itself sharply opposed such procurement schemes ...

    What, again, suddenly turned into a hail? Who would have thought! wassat
    all talk of Ukraine’s independence ... turned out to be zilch.

    It is what it is... request
  • Klingon
    Klingon 13 June 2020 11: 40
    0
    perhaps only Antonov’s purchase by the Chinese could save the situation, but the striped ones would do anything to prevent this from happening. Well, we don’t need that either, there’s no need for the Chinese to get advanced aircraft technology, so Antonov * will die, the flyers that still fly will decay over time, and Mriya will probably be bought by the aviation museum in Sinsheim and they’ll probably make a restaurant out of the cargo compartment
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf 13 June 2020 11: 46
    +1
    It is surprising that the airline still bears the name of Oleg Konstantinovich. After all, he has been a member of the CPSU (B.) Since 1945. Member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Ukrainian SSR. Everything else seems logical to me.
  • senima56
    senima56 13 June 2020 13: 18
    -1
    AN-148 is a good, modern aircraft! It was produced mainly in Voronezh at VASO. The aircraft consisted of 75% Russian components. Yes, unfortunately, there were accidents with human casualties. Conclusions have been made. And the airlines that purchased it are satisfied with its performance.
    Unlike the notorious SSJ! Which is 80% assembled "with the world on a string", no one needs, and costs more than flies!
  • Strashila
    Strashila 13 June 2020 14: 56
    +2
    This is a great demonstration of who really was an aircraft manufacturer. To collect, this does not mean to develop and produce.
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 13 June 2020 15: 47
    +1
    Yes, in fact, these guys are simply trying to squeeze Antonov’s cargo transportation business. There is no god knows what, but little ruslanchiki fly, bring live cash and someone wants to earn it. And all the charges are for averting eyes.
    Well, maybe land is needed. How many commercial facilities can be built at the factory site!
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 13 June 2020 16: 48
    +1
    See. The "gasket" requested a lot ... as a result, Russia did not sell the original spare parts, and China did not get involved with counterfeit products ..
  • LeonidL
    LeonidL 13 June 2020 17: 44
    0
    "Ukroboronprom, which previously spoke out categorically against any Russian presence in Ukrainian equipment, criticized Antonov for refusing to buy Russian components" - the weather vane again creakingly turns towards common sense ... but late, Antonov flew away from the territory of the Absurd ... Well, goodbye Ukrainian Antonov and I think hello Russian!
  • Tota
    Tota 13 June 2020 19: 02
    0
    Well, here God himself ordered to use the situation. Selling details to intermediaries is slightly higher than the price for which we sold to Ukraine, and the intermediary will wind up its price for mediation on these details.
  • cheburator
    cheburator 13 June 2020 19: 30
    -2
    Antonov is the pride of the USSR and the shame of hohloiny! We are Russians, God is with us!