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In the West, they are concerned about the use of artificial intelligence on airplanes of the Russian Aerospace Forces

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A few days ago, the British portal AI Daily published an article "Sukhoi Su-35 - Russia's attempt to create artificial intelligence."


В article we are talking about the use of artificial intelligence on the Su-35. There are no particular details, but the fact of the first serial use on the Russian BOSES fighter, a component of the onboard AI, which has no analogues, is recorded. The British want to implement something similar on the promising 6th-generation Tempest aircraft developed by BAE.

At the same time, concern is expressed in the West about the development of artificial intelligence technologies in the military aircraft industry of the Russian Federation and the use of AI in the Russian Armed Forces.

So what are our achievements in this area?


Unlike hypersonic weapons information in open sources is submitted sparingly. In the interviews given by various specialists, AI is modestly called "expert systems" installed on modern and promising aircraft. But these "expert systems" are AI, which today is becoming decisive for many industries, including military-technical.

What is BOSES?


The on-board operatively advising expert system of the tactical level (BOSES TU) is designed to solve both planned and arising tasks during operations (when performing a flight mission). It consists of a database and mathematical modeling algorithms.

The principle of work is the division of the general tactical task into typical situations, and further, into various problematic sub-situations inherent in the general knowledge base, activation of mathematical models of subsequent events with further issuance of recommendations. The complex receives information about the "outside world" using on-board sensors.

At the moment, perhaps the AI ​​only works “in partnership” with the crew. Initial data on the target is entered immediately before departure based on the flight mission. In flight, the system evaluates the situation and issues tips that are displayed on the information-control field of the cockpit. The pilot can accept or reject the proposed actions, and the decision made by him is recorded and analyzed after returning.

In the group of tasks to be solved: an attack on ground targets, close and long-range air combat both alone and as part of an air group.

Where exactly is the expert system?

This can only be talked about evaluatively. Probably, the complex can be installed on the 4 ++ generation, and for the fifth generation it is already a mandatory attribute.

Based on the available information, it can be assumed that in addition to the Su-57 and Su-35, the MiG-35 will receive an expert system. Perhaps, as part of the modernization, previous generations of aircraft can be equipped with it to increase their functionality.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 June 2020 12: 32 New
    -51
    Meanwhile, on PakDa and Tu160 a crew of 4 people.
    1. NIKN
      NIKN 12 June 2020 13: 21 New
      25
      In accordance with the need to solve the tasks. You will not be single-handedly engaged in a global task where more is required that you can? It is possible that the volume of tasks, especially in decision-making (and today a decision is made by a person) is greater than the capabilities of one person. While a person is limited by responsibility, otherwise people would not be needed there at all. Even for today, what is not on board the Tu-160, the flight technicians already say that the power plant and on-board systems could be simplified to the minimum possible distraction and assigned this task to the designers (in the sense of ensuring reliability), well, since that. hi
      (set +, according to what a person thinks smile )
      1. krot
        krot 13 June 2020 10: 01 New
        +5
        set +, according to what a person thinks

        But to whom do you explain that, he "farted" in general from the lamp .. And he has no need to think.
      2. Shteffan
        Shteffan 13 June 2020 21: 19 New
        0
        But how are the Americans together on the B-2 controlled, and when Yugoslavia was bombed so they flew from another continent. ???? how do your explanations fit in with such information?
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 13 June 2020 23: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Steffan
          But how are the Americans together on the B-2 controlled, and when Yugoslavia was bombed so they flew from another continent. ???? how do your explanations fit in with such information?

          It's simple, wait for our PACDA and find out how much they will manage there, And I already don’t consider talking about who is better than a kit vs an elephant. It also happened that helicopters from the F-16 cannon were shot down and it wasn’t correct to put this fact into comparison.
    2. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 12 June 2020 14: 57 New
      +8
      So what about 4 people? This is not a tank there will not be superfluous.
      1. Shteffan
        Shteffan 15 June 2020 10: 13 New
        0
        Why 4 if 2 cope? -There is no extra space.
      2. Shteffan
        Shteffan 15 June 2020 10: 15 New
        0
        In a civilian, before, 5 people flew, but now everyone switched to two for coping. And navigators and flight engineers are rudiments.
    3. Pike
      Pike 12 June 2020 15: 34 New
      -4
      Zaurbek, the plane, not only has not yet flown, is still not assembled. When it will "fly", then we can discuss the size of the crew.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 June 2020 15: 38 New
        -2
        Tu160 flies .... and is radically modernized .... but there are two navigators there.
        1. Pike
          Pike 12 June 2020 15: 44 New
          -12
          It's still early to discuss the crew size, well, you must agree. )
          The swan is the last century, and the new "strategist" should be able to modernize for 50 years ... Until the "gravitational" is invented, etc. etc. )))
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 12 June 2020 16: 59 New
          +4
          And what of that?
          The piece of navigator has its own situations, the piece of operator has its own, and both may need help and a hint, but the flight engineer is no longer needed in terms of the operation of the engines: the electric and hydraulic drives are controlled by pilots and, according to the situation, AI.
          In some ways, this is a hint function, and in others, it is a function of control and "knocking" on debriefing.
        3. sabakina
          sabakina 12 June 2020 17: 00 New
          -6
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Tu160 flies .... and is radically modernized .... but there are two navigators there.

          Why two then? In case of sudden death? recourse
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 12 June 2020 17: 14 New
            +3
            There are generally three navigators on the Tu-142MZ, and another 2 assistants are RSE operators.
            There are so many navigators on DA and PLA planes because it is they who perform all the tasks of using the aircraft, the task of pilots is to follow the instructions (commands) of the navigator.
        4. Lynx-z
          Lynx-z 13 June 2020 16: 22 New
          0
          what a horror - 2 navigators in the era of satellite navigation ... only these gps and glonass are turned off by the enemy from the outside at once ... if only not to fight with the basmach ... so ...
    4. Yngvar
      Yngvar 12 June 2020 16: 34 New
      +5
      Zaurbek, do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs!
      Even in the abbreviation BOSES TU clearly means - the tactical level !!!
      PAK DA and Tu-160 have a strategic level!
      The tasks are completely different ...
    5. venik
      venik 12 June 2020 17: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Meanwhile, on PakDa and Tu160 a crew of 4 people.

      =======
      fool Yes, at least from 10 - 12 - or 14 !!! WHAT ON "manifig" (gol.) difference ??? If only we had FULL INFORMATION, which allows us to perform tasks as efficiently as possible !!! request
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 June 2020 17: 50 New
        -7
        +1 people ...- 100-200kg payload.
    6. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 12 June 2020 17: 54 New
      +6
      Because the volume of information provided to the crew is difficult to perceive due to the different vectors of simultaneous tasks and decisions. Plus, KDA in the air can "hang" for 32 hours. The MiG-31, Su-24,34 have two crew members because of the laziness of the designers, in your opinion, or a question for a question?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 12 June 2020 20: 56 New
        -2
        Tu 160 searches for targets on earth, takes aim and destroys them? Or drives a useful task in the Kyrgyz Republic? Or looking for targets for bombs in the United States?
        1. akarfoxhound
          akarfoxhound 13 June 2020 00: 38 New
          +8
          I understand that you have nothing to do with the flight crew? (no prank) Two PICs and Pravak, why do you need to explain the two of them, too, or do you even remotely, but understand that the 4-engine nifig is not a Lada on the highway? The navigator of the ship and the navigator of the operator, one is responsible for the calculations, the other is responsible for managing the SUV. For your interest, the more you live somewhere near my native school (Armavir VVAUL) - there are 39 controls and indicators on the L-488, and it is a bicycle in terms of ergonomics. And yet - for you it’s simple, especially on the website, you can’t explain everything that the crew does very briefly, but I can give you some advice - everything that cinema shows about the work of flight crews (especially Hollywood) is a blizzard, one of the reasons why it’s impossible to watch films, especially modern ones (people direct, like you, no offense, with a very general idea). Multitasking in the air is the normal work of military aviation; it does not consist in the primitivism that you described. No offense. Sincerely, Alexander
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 13 June 2020 17: 12 New
            0
            Those. Americans on B2 and future B21 solved this problem? And how much task (unlike the B52) does the Tu95 and 160 have? As I understand it, they both carry KR X55, 101, 102. When launched, the targets are chosen not inside the aircraft.
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 14 June 2020 01: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Those. Americans on B2 and future B21 solved this problem?

              Let's just say that in peacetime 2 is still enough, and what will happen in more difficult conditions, when problems with gps + the work of enemy locators and electronic warfare + long-range air defense missiles and so on.
            2. akarfoxhound
              akarfoxhound 14 June 2020 06: 36 New
              0
              They did not solve it, but flocked with her, for example on the F-22. And they themselves repeatedly voiced it. The situation is changing at a very high speed for a short period of time, the flow of information is large, it must be digested and a decision must be made, one person is physically unable to do this. This is simplified for you, in a primitive way, as you imagine a flight of military aviation
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 14 June 2020 07: 35 New
                0
                ... decided and then created the shock F35 (where 2 pilot-operator is even more needed) single. Well, fools.
                1. akarfoxhound
                  akarfoxhound 14 June 2020 11: 28 New
                  0
                  They made the F-35 simplified compared to the F-22. 22nd therefore they curtailed from production, because not only infinitely expensive, but also technologically sophisticated and for the perception of the situation to the pilot.
                  To be honest, you tired me out with your obstinacy. About 10 years ago, I came across such a copy in St. Petersburg, he "podderpbut serious literature" from various publications got to the bottom that we do not know our MiG-31 and it will teach "us to fight." Are you from the same cohort? And in another area, for example, ophthalmologists were not advised which instrument should be correct for the operation? Something I'm sure, if you read in nete - you will definitely recommend! In our country, it seems that this is precisely why not the Korolyov but the Rogozins are promoting the theme of the development of space exploration at the cosmodromes. Specialists !!! good
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 14 June 2020 11: 43 New
                    0
                    F35 simplified only in the capabilities of air defense, and in shock functions it surpasses. He doesn’t even need a targeted container. Everything is built in
                    1. akarfoxhound
                      akarfoxhound 14 June 2020 15: 22 New
                      0
                      So what’s going on with your ammunition? Simplified not in the application of BP with the nomenclature then!
                      For example, one of the modern managers at the Ministry of Defense (the case was under Tolibasik Taburetkin) seriously proposed that air strike operations be carried out with the help of the converted Il-76MD for loading the missile launcher with launchers. Type dofiga fits and all win! I even tried to write a dissertation or something similar scientific on the subject of this nonsense. Why was this idea crazy - no need to explain?
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 14 June 2020 15: 53 New
                        0
                        And there is such a theory .... C130j both shoots and bombs.
                    2. Bad_gr
                      Bad_gr 14 June 2020 19: 42 New
                      0
                      Quote: Zaurbek
                      F35 simplified only in the capabilities of air defense, and in shock functions it surpasses. He doesn’t even need a targeted container. Everything is built in

                      And where did he demonstrate his capabilities?
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 14 June 2020 19: 57 New
                        0
                        This is a dead end answer .... Su35S, S400 somewhere something demonstrated?
                      2. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 14 June 2020 22: 11 New
                        0
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        .Su35S, C400 somewhere something demonstrated?

                        Su35 in Syria completely coped with its responsibilities: scaring everyone in a row from our attack aircraft. Among the sluggish even F22 was noted, which tried to interfere with the work of our Su25, until the Su-35 was attached to its tail.
                        The work of the C400 is more difficult to evaluate, since the object covered by this complex is unattractive for enemy aircraft. It was worth putting them in the Crimea, Kaliningrad, and even in the same Syria, as soon as a bunch of indignation in the press. And if they interfere, then they fulfill their tasks.
                      3. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 14 June 2020 22: 19 New
                        0
                        He scared F22 only with a carcass ... in order to bring down a Su25, such an apparatus as the F22 (and even the Su35C itself) does not need to fly up.
                      4. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 14 June 2020 22: 20 New
                        0
                        So and about F35 only our press is outraged
                      5. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 14 June 2020 23: 09 New
                        0
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        So and about F35 only our press is outraged

                        I haven’t read any such article. Don’t share the link?
                      6. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 14 June 2020 23: 11 New
                        0
                        Google ......
                      7. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 15 June 2020 00: 06 New
                        0
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        So and about F35 only our press is outraged
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        Google ......

                        I took your advice, in Google I typed:
                        "press outrage over the F-35"
                        Received:
                        - Who is to blame for the fall of the F-35?
                        - F-35 Super Fighter - Exposing Propaganda |
                        - In the USA, the second accident in the last month ...
                        - F-35: zilch of lightning |
                        - F-35 called useless sucking money ...
                        - Only the tail falls off: what is wrong with the Air Force plane ...
                        - Aerial battles in the network: F-35 against Runet - WARHEAD.SU
                        - Production of the F-35 was in jeopardy due to the S-400 ....

                        Did you mean that?
                      8. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 15 June 2020 07: 41 New
                        0
                        Absolutely.
  • Stalllker
    Stalllker 12 June 2020 19: 22 New
    0
    Do not confuse AI and unmanned mode, the latter is not necessarily using AI, the operator from a distance does all the work.
  • aviator6768
    aviator6768 13 June 2020 01: 32 New
    +3
    When landing on a watermelon, turn off the computer and look at the throwing of a crew of two people ... Manually sweat over the old thieves and ils ... And here is the solution to combat missions ...
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 June 2020 07: 37 New
      0
      Watermelons and Boeings have 2 pilots since the 80s. The flight engineer has long been removed. We still have it, for example, on MI8.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 12 June 2020 12: 33 New
    +8
    Who would doubt that the development of the automation of the combat process would go exactly this way !!!
    And again I have to remind you that the one who DOESN'T SUCCESS IS THAT IS LATE !!!
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 12 June 2020 12: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: rocket757
      And again I have to remind you that the one who DOESN'T SUCCESS IS THAT IS LATE !!!

      At the same time, concern is expressed in the West about the development of artificial intelligence technologies in the military aircraft industry of the Russian Federation and the use of AI in the Russian Armed Forces.

      Let them not worry, they still have in stock - natural stupidity, which in a collision with AI will not give him a chance winked
      1. RESEARCHER
        RESEARCHER 12 June 2020 13: 06 New
        +8
        Why write anything for any reason?
        If you are not specialists in the field of intelligent systems in general, and in particular in the field of intelligent control systems, I suggest you come off in full on a holiday. Moreover, the weather in many regions is now excellent.
        Happy holiday dear forum users.
        1. PN
          PN 12 June 2020 13: 27 New
          10
          Alas, this is not AI. This is just a database with certain algorithms for taking suitable actions that are emphasized from the same data base. The computer will not offer the solution that was not pre-registered in it.
          1. SHURUM -BURUM
            SHURUM -BURUM 12 June 2020 13: 55 New
            +2
            ... The computer will not offer the solution that was not pre-registered in it ...
            That’s the whole story about an allegedly analogous AI.
            1. Thunderbringer
              Thunderbringer 12 June 2020 18: 03 New
              10
              Take it easy.
              Most people will not offer a solution, except for the one they have been taught.
              And quite a few people are not able to apply what they have learned in time and correctly.
              Miracles of intelligence are known to be demonstrated only by couch experts.
              The rest of the people are different. They can get scared, get sick, get crazy, and as a result forget what they were taught there.
              But the AI ​​just will not freak out and will not be afraid, and most importantly it will not forget what needs to be done.
            2. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 12 June 2020 20: 57 New
              -2
              You can stupidly put all possible options into it.
          2. pipetro
            pipetro 12 June 2020 13: 59 New
            +8
            What does "alas" mean? AI combined with humans is the optimal scheme. AI without a human will never be 100% reliable and secure.
          3. hydrox
            hydrox 12 June 2020 17: 13 New
            +2
            Yes, as long as it's not AI.
            But after all, in the process of PC development, a group of controllers and a group of tablets stood out from their total mass, and so far they coexist without hostility, but each of them has a certain basic set of functions.
            And BOSES TU will also develop and isolate in accordance with the set of combat functions, but its essence will remain the same - it will be a robot hint, or a robot-checking, etc.
            1. Thunderbringer
              Thunderbringer 12 June 2020 18: 04 New
              +1
              The most that is AI.
              He just doesn’t make decisions, but only gives advice to a person, reminds.
              1. OLEG ZZ
                12 June 2020 21: 01 New
                +1
                Not certainly in that way. The system offers a solution. A person either accepts or not. If it doesn’t accept, then it is fixed, and upon returning the person justifies why he is right, and not BOSES .. Now landing modes, single and group long and short-range air combat, ground attack are implemented (according to GosNIIAS). And this is already more than advice ... And, most likely, soon the pilot will occasionally press a button to steer an airplane, and then for a long time be described on the ground, why he did it ... And now the knowledge base is being filled ... Something like this.
                1. PN
                  PN 12 June 2020 21: 40 New
                  +3
                  Soon? Let me remind you that back in 1988, Buran flew into space and returned back. On the machine. And no one called it AI it was just a flight according to given algorithms. Yes, for that time it was progress, but science does not stand still. But we still haven’t reached AI.
                  Py.Sy. conspiracy theorists and conspiracy theory enthusiasts claim that Buran was created as a starfighter, which means that the level of automation (as AIs like to say now) was at what height.
          4. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 12 June 2020 20: 20 New
            0
            this is a pseudo III that solves typical problems, will determine what flies and the better to bring down - a convenient crutch for the pilot
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 12 June 2020 13: 08 New
        +5
        Classics of a genre or reality.
        No one has come up with an absolute protection against do / R / aka, an unforeseen initiative of a performer !!!
        Humanity could not, and the AI ​​did not stand there either.
        1. iouris
          iouris 12 June 2020 13: 26 New
          0
          Foolproof has been around for a long time and it has nothing to do with AI. What is AI? Perhaps AI is a defense against d ... ba (I'm sorry, but there is no analogue word).
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 June 2020 13: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: iouris
            Foolproof has been around for a long time

            Yes, yes, protection exists from them ... only they don’t know about it, more often than not they WILL INFLUENCE ....
            1. iouris
              iouris 12 June 2020 14: 04 New
              +1
              Let me explain. By "fool" is understood not just a fool (it is customary to filter out fools at the stage of psycho-selection and in the learning process), but errors of a human operator, which arise for objective reasons ("human factor"), since “it is human to make mistakes,” and for reasons associated with the “personality factor” (lack of education, loss of skills, lack of discipline, etc.).
              The third (not considered in theory) group of "mistakes" is associated exclusively with "negative selection" into the profession. Previously, this was not the case, now it seems to be massive. It is no longer possible to resist this, therefore, in particular, women-caps will soon appear on long-range aircraft of the Aerospace Forces (this is on TV!).
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 June 2020 14: 42 New
                +1
                I explain that no one is immune from error. Man, the system is complex, it is difficult to predict which and when a failure in this system can occur.
                On the trigger, the start button, should be .... yes figs knows what it can protect against srendelshy?
                AI is not so complicated, so far, it seems, well, mistakes can be simpler, and the consequences ... are different.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 12 June 2020 17: 20 New
                  +2
                  Here you need to consider from the stove ...
                  The bomber navigator can poke the "Reset" button as much as he wants, but this button will only work when Hephaestus calculates this moment, but then the navigator's finger is no longer required. So the question is: is it possible to consider the targeting and aiming system "Hephaestus" as an AI of AI ?? lol
                  1. Bez 310
                    Bez 310 12 June 2020 17: 30 New
                    -3
                    Did you have to "poke" the "Reset" button, or is this all your speculation?
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 12 June 2020 17: 44 New
                      +1
                      Do you think that someone here will maintain a conversation with you in such a boorish tone?
                      You are mistaken, your rating does not allow you to talk here at all ... such an AI! lol
                      1. Thunderbringer
                        Thunderbringer 12 June 2020 18: 07 New
                        -2
                        Everyone knows what this "rating" is worth.
                        The main thing is to pour power on buckets on power, and there will be a rating. No brains needed, no conscience. The main thing is to shout out loud slogans.
                        Well, did you have to "poke the reset button", or just enter at home on the keyboard?
                      2. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 12 June 2020 18: 26 New
                        -1
                        Rating? Where is it going?
                        In a decent society, knowledge, skills, experience,
                        not some kind of rating there. They made fun, did not expect ...
                  2. rocket757
                    rocket757 12 June 2020 18: 02 New
                    0
                    I am not familiar with this system .... earlier models ... had to.
                    The principle is the same. The onboard complex / calculator gives course corrections and signals the moment when the "cargo" is dropped. The decision to reset is made by a person.
                    The question is whether the whole process can be trusted with AI, giving the machine more freedom of action. A difficult decision that must be made by responsible people.
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 12 June 2020 18: 54 New
                      0
                      Not only on the course, but also on the weather ...
                      So, more advanced models no longer give a signal, but they themselves make a decision to reset, but if there is a "allowed" level, set by the aircraft navigator.
                      That is why today KVO from the use of FAB43 is only 2-3 times worse than the same from the use of $ 50 thousand UBP
                      1. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 12 June 2020 19: 34 New
                        -1
                        Perhaps I cannot understand this set of words because I do not have a "rating", so I ask you to clarify what this phrase is about - "The KVO from the use of FAB43 is only 2-3 times worse than the same from the use $ 50 thousand UBP ".
                        And this ..., back in the 70s of the last century, the OPB-15 sight independently dropped bombs, when cocked by the navigator of the "autodischarge", but this in no way refers to the AI, and so, "semi-automatic".
                      2. ancient
                        ancient 12 June 2020 20: 16 New
                        0
                        Quote: Bez 310
                        And this ..., back in the 70s of the last century, the OPB-15 sight independently dropped bombs, when cocked by the navigator of the "autodischarge", but this in no way refers to the AI, and so, "semi-automatic".

                        And there was a gorgeous sight. OPB-5, .OPB -112, OPB-116, and the famous ASP-17 (with all modifications) fellow good drinks
                        But now ... "wikipedia" ... will finally close wassat
                    2. rocket757
                      rocket757 12 June 2020 19: 35 New
                      0
                      Not in courses, long ago departed from those matters.
                      I remember that the unit was capital and there was a lot of trouble with it.
                      Now it’s clear that the dimensions and weight are completely different, and the functionality is increased by multiple.
                      Anyway, this is an assistant, a full-fledged AI, this is a different level of decision-making.
                    3. ancient
                      ancient 12 June 2020 20: 10 New
                      +2
                      Quote: hydrox
                      So, more advanced models no longer give a signal, but they themselves decide on a reset

                      What is this "flow of" incoherent speech "... what are these ..." advanced models "YOURSELF (??? belay ) take ... a decision to reset ????
                      Quote: hydrox
                      but in the presence of the level "allowed", set by the aircraft navigator.

                      This is where this navigator sets some levels ????
                      Quote: hydrox
                      That is why today KVO from the use of FAB43 is only 2-3 times worse than the same from the use of $ 50 thousand UBP

                      I see ... wikipedia .. overheated ...... wassat
                2. ancient
                  ancient 12 June 2020 20: 05 New
                  +3
                  Quote: hydrox
                  The bomber navigator can poke the "Reset" button as much as he wants, but this button will only work when Hephaestus calculates this moment, but then the navigator's finger is no longer required.

                  It’s clear .... neither the navigator nor the bomber saw it last time ... never wassat
                  Just like Titarenko "used to say" - ".. they can't fly yet, shoot .. well .... but ... eagles" wassat
                  Even I know that the navigator on his RM has the Office of the RBP and OPB bodies, and the BCS system also includes the KVSB, ESBR, the RESET Master switch and .... attention ... AUTO RESET .... so ... if the navigator entered "AUTO RESET" (at certain lines and angles of sight), then the BOMBS will "go away" as cute at any time wassat
                  It is also possible to accidentally drop at any time and "to the explosion" and "to non-explosion" wink

                  Navigators ... don't kick the "ancient" ... maybe the "faq" has already forgotten drinks

                  And what about .. "poke" ... am I would tell you ... yes the rules of the site do not allow ....
                  In the navigator's environment, this process is called - "press the button" and the load went wassat (and the pilots hold on to the BC and wait when the longitudinal actual relation coincides with the calculated one).
                3. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 14 June 2020 11: 48 New
                  +1
                  The AI ​​on the flight mission will lead the car to the desired area, with the help of radar and optics it will identify the targets ... select the correct ones and give the data to either Hephaestus or the correspondent of ammunition.
                  1. hydrox
                    hydrox 14 June 2020 16: 27 New
                    0
                    That's right: the navigator will only be needed to press the "Cancel" joystick when super-duper circumstances arise that prevent the flight from being completed.
      3. SHURUM -BURUM
        SHURUM -BURUM 12 June 2020 14: 03 New
        +2
        ... Nobody has yet come up with an absolute protection against do / R / aka, an unforeseen initiative of a performer !! ...!
        Sorry, but THIS, in particular, is the area of ​​competence of AI. All unforeseen situations that are not registered in the decision-making bank, as well as generated by AI in the process of assessing the environmental stop. Those. FULL CARTBANCHE AI FOR DECISION MAKING. Is this on board the aircraft? So what is the conversation about? Just another refinement of the algorithm and the bank of decisions. This is the same as remote control Fedka to declare a full-fledged robot.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 12 June 2020 14: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
          All unforeseen situations not registered in the decision-making bank, as well as generated by AI in the process of assessing the environmental stop

          Answer me, dear man, why is Boeing so well now?
          Unfortunately, an initiative nerd, but just a fucking used bodybuilder can be at ANY STAGE
          design, production and operation! Often a person, the manifestation of this factor, can not overcome, prevent!
          I am not against deep automation, autonomy and AI in general, I just need to be more thorough, especially in the field of military equipment.
          This is the future, but let's hurry without rushing excessively.
          1. SHURUM -BURUM
            SHURUM -BURUM 12 June 2020 14: 59 New
            +2
            So it is me that we should talk about achievements after the implementation of these achievements. Yes, the process of developing highly intelligent systems is underway. But creating a full-fledged AI system is just a small step. The system is still only in the development of the embryo. If I may say so, "the third week of pregnancy". And it is not known whether the born child will be healthy and complete, sorry for the unfortunate comparison. Yours faithfully!
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 12 June 2020 15: 06 New
              +1
              To understand, to perceive everything objectively, is half the battle, and then hard work, but wisely! Everything will work out.
            2. kot423
              kot423 12 June 2020 16: 59 New
              0
              Here you are running out with "righteous anger", they say, are underdeveloped, and already "one who has no equal in the world" ...
              And on the other hand, did you try to look? A simple example: you are the leader of a settlement, you think that the neighboring settlement is too fattening and has no right to exist on more fertile land than yours. With enthusiasm, they made copies and, deciding that the victory was in their pocket, they went to smash the neighbors. And they to their spears with duct tape charges with black powder (bad, of the wrong proportion, which they managed to come up with, but did not bring to mind) and gave you such bream that you barely crawled back, lick your wounds. And now the question: knowing that the neighbors have an invention, but not knowing at what stage it is, would you be tempted to "restore justice"?
        2. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 12 June 2020 14: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
          Is this on board the aircraft?

          This is not even available on board UAVs, which are in fact search and hunting "human friends" on a long leash. But progress is inexorable, and what you, Arkady, mentioned, will appear in the future, and, of course, not only in the VKS. Although, there is a downside, associated with the risk of getting a "fool" in the person of this very AI. Mattresses this topic was passed through Hollywood 15 years ago (CF "Stealth", 2005).
          Okay, let’s take a look, but today we have what we have. hi
      4. VO3A
        VO3A 12 June 2020 14: 40 New
        -3
        Very primitive ... Modern wars do not provide for a person at the forefront, this does not concern us ... The modern organization of military operations requires AI to be used really, it does not concern us ... Let's learn how to conduct modern military operations, and then we can talk and about AI ...
        In addition to the automated control system, we still have real soldiers and combat-ready vehicles and bad orders transmitted to them in real time, there is nothing more .. And heaps of old-timers watching with emotion for demonstrating this data on wall-mounted television screens, there is nothing ...
  • VO3A
    VO3A 12 June 2020 13: 08 New
    +4
    The on-board operatively advising expert system of the tactical level (BOSES TU) is designed to solve both planned and arising tasks during operations (when performing a flight mission). It consists of a database and mathematical modeling algorithms.

    No more than PR ... The first condition is the availability of cutting-edge computing and storage devices on board with high reliability ... I understand that we are here ahead of everyone? We can assume that we have advanced algorithms and programs, but how to implement them ... Although, judging by the systems of intelligence and control of the information situation in real time, there is little to believe ... No, so to speak, sensors and calculators ... And how does it fit with such fantastic conclusions ???
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 June 2020 13: 32 New
      +6
      AI is now a very vague concept, because everyone is interested in the polemic.
      Look, the specialist is outraged
      Quote: RESEARCHER
      Why write anything for any reason?
      If you are not specialists in the field of intelligent systems in general and in particular in the field of

      It can be partially understood, but here is a platform for communication for everyone, just a talker! Therefore, they will write everything, make fun of jokes .... After all, you can do your bit, correct / correct / explain. And you can spit and proudly retire. A simple choice.
      By the way, automated systems have begun to be installed on military equipment a long time ago. Mostly narrowly specialized. They fulfilled their task, but the man remained the central link of management.
      It is clear that AI is an attempt to automate complex processes with a partial substitution of a person who was previously obliged to make decisions as a central controlling / controlling link.
      So far, not so deadly devices have been given under the full control of the AI. But this is for now.
      At the expense of whether we can now implement this in technical, technological terms .... DO NOT KNOW! So many of the industrial, scientific potential did not shine for many years and this is a big trouble!
    2. NIKN
      NIKN 12 June 2020 13: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: VO3A
      We can assume that we have advanced algorithms and programs, but how to implement them ..

      You can assume that you are aware of your tolerances. Alas, I don’t know how to implement them. Believe you, the solution to these (the problems you posed) does not end there. Do not take it as an enemy, there are just wizards in our kingdom. Than we breathe. wink hi
      1. VO3A
        VO3A 12 June 2020 14: 11 New
        +1
        There is ! Otherwise, without us it would not be interesting, including here ... Everything rests on us in this swamp ... On people who have knowledge, have an opinion, have a position and life experience ...
    3. HAM
      HAM 12 June 2020 13: 46 New
      +5
      "" No more than PR ... The first condition is the presence of ultra-modern computing and storage devices on board with high reliability "

      As far as I understand, the landing of "Buran" in automatic mode and the adoption by its on-board equipment of the decision to change the glide path because of the strong wind did not convince you ... and this is 88 ...
      1. VO3A
        VO3A 12 June 2020 13: 57 New
        +1
        Self-propelled guns of a good level and ... everything. In our 4th year, we studied the Theory of Airborne Controlled Information and Computing Complexes back in 1981, taught DTN ... And several more such disciplines with the same level of teaching ... And this is the USSR Air Force ... You read these scribbles, which besides a smile do not cause anything ...
        1. HAM
          HAM 12 June 2020 16: 33 New
          +1
          About these years, D.P., Linde told us about cellular communications and the prototype of the Internet.
  • Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 12 June 2020 12: 33 New
    +9
    I think all AI work is now very classified. Therefore, after reading "open sources" laughing you can just tell fortunes on the coffee grounds. No more. I was especially pleased: "Where exactly is the expert system?", I just want to continue: "- Inside! - the old man whispered. - Look inside, where is her analyzer and thinker ..." (C)
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 June 2020 12: 37 New
      +3
      It will be both inside and outside. Everything goes to ensure that there will be a single network system. Of course, no one can exclude a person from this system .... for a long time.
      1. VO3A
        VO3A 12 June 2020 13: 10 New
        -2
        It will be both inside and outside.

        Will be in ..... Did I develop your idea correctly?
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 12 June 2020 13: 43 New
          +1
          I don’t know where your thoughts led you.
          About automated control systems for EQUIPMENT, EQUIPMENT, conversation.
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 12 June 2020 13: 16 New
        +7
        Quote: rocket757
        It will be both inside and outside. Everything goes to ensure that there will be a single network system. Of course, no one can exclude a person from this system .... for a long time.

        These technologies have been tested for over 20 years on ground-based automation equipment. Now reporters and generals have begun to call these algorithms AI to create the desired image. Most specialists continue to call them by the old "Commander Decision Support System". Apparently the main reason is that in fact, in the so-called military AI, the mathematics of fuzzy systems, which defines neural network technologies, is not used. It uses algorithms based on the mathematical theory of optimization, which has an applied direction of decision theory. Unlike AI in its purest form, this approach makes it possible to predict the probabilistic development of most tactical situations.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 12 June 2020 13: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Vita VKO
          Algorithms are used based on the mathematical theory of optimization, which has an applied direction in decision theory.

          Here, here, I had to ... get acquainted with this. Deep automation of the production process, OPTIMIZATION! Yes, the system is automatic, operator control just in case ... but this is not an AI, although there is almost no need to intervene in the management process.
          That's why I affirm that the elements of AI, this definition is somehow strange. However, our business is small-town, production. What else will come up in the high fields of science will not reach us soon.
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 12 June 2020 14: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Sibiryak 66
      I was especially pleased: "Where exactly is the expert system?", I just want to continue: "-

      And yet, where is his button?(C) laughing
  • Dr. Barmaley
    Dr. Barmaley 12 June 2020 13: 18 New
    +8
    The AI ​​system shows the NATO pilot a photo of blacks. The pilot immediately rushes to kiss his boots. Not excluded reflex exit of the aircraft.
  • Carib
    Carib 12 June 2020 13: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    It will be both inside and outside. Everything goes to ensure that there will be a single network system. Of course, no one can exclude a person from this system .... for a long time.

    Not for long, but for a while. If development has begun, then explosively. Someone swears that 57 is being completed for a long time, but this is possible for a long time. Grow, train, train AI. BOSES TU is not a very beautiful name, I think it will be Bosey, Nastya, or someone else from the book of Russian names.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 June 2020 13: 49 New
      +1
      You can call Alice, but at least .... anyway, living Natasha will be better! Smarter at the expense of how lucky.
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 12 June 2020 13: 40 New
    0
    Meanwhile, Angstrom-T was declared bankrupt. Either money was stolen, or while the Americans built it, they imposed sanctions. In general, while we have microchips with 16 legs and two carry handles ...
  • Partaktiv
    Partaktiv 12 June 2020 13: 43 New
    -1
    In the West, they are concerned about the use of artificial intelligence on airplanes of the Russian Aerospace Forces

    Mat swears and explains everything !!!! (in the voice that the pilot is most afraid of in life?)))
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 12 June 2020 13: 44 New
    +4
    Dear Mr. Zadorozhny, please do not be offended, but the article you are linking to is posted on a completely new site. It was created in 2019 by a group of young people and decided to write there on their blog that it has at least something to do with AI.



    In fact, there is nothing wrong with that. If AI already exists, in one form or another, and scientific articles about it are dry and uninteresting, then someone may very well write something light and interesting about it. But it is not necessary to wishful thinking. You can’t take blogger articles in popular magazines at face value. The use of artificial intelligence on airplanes of the Russian Aerospace Forces did not bother at all West, and someone Arslan Khan posted on this blog as many as 3 (three!) articles. hi

    PS Recently, a number of articles have appeared on the VO with links to completely unauthorized sources.
    Either Mike Peck is cited in all seriousness, who cited an excerpt from an alternative history based on Jonathan Walker's book "Churchill's Third World War", then some nasty translation is used that turns everything upside down, then suddenly they pulled out some old man-pensioner Turkish Marxist- a nationalist obsessed with the ideas of Lenin, Mao Zedong and Fidel Castro, who for some reason began to praise the S-400.
    And once, they referred to the "authoritative opinion" of a Bundestag deputy - Jurgen Trittin, a green communist and the coolest leftist, greener than which is only a cucumber, and to the left, only the left wall. He began by uniting the Maoist Communist Union, the Trotskyist International Marxist Group, and radical left students. An ardent defender of gay rights, advocates for multiculturalism and welcomes the arrival of hundreds of thousands of refugees in Germany. Well, really, is it possible to take seriously the person who stated:
    “Germany is disappearing more and more, and I am glad for this circumstance”

    "You need to be more careful, guys, be more careful!" (from)

    Once again, please, no offense! hi
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 12 June 2020 14: 09 New
      +2
      Recently, a number of articles have appeared in the VO with links to completely unauthorized sources.... meaningless, written by authors who are completely far from the topics being described. The number of such articles and such authors is growing exponentially.
      I hope that I did not offend anyone.
      1. OLEG ZZ
        12 June 2020 15: 16 New
        +3
        Hello) The article is based on the materials of FSUE GosNIIAS and B.E. Fedunova.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 12 June 2020 16: 45 New
          0
          The article is based on the materials of FSUE GosNIIAS and B.E. Fedunova
          The fact that your campaign contains common publications with FSUE GosNIIAS and B.E. Fedunova terms and definitions, its qualitative characteristics does not affect. Agitation, it is agitation.
        2. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 12 June 2020 16: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: OLEG ZZ
          B.E. Fedunov and FSUE GosNIIAS

          Fedunov Boris Evgenievich, this is the Head. Found his "Onboard intelligent systems of a tactical level for anthropocentric objects."
          Taking off my hat.
          FSUE GosNIIAS is also a highly respected office. hi
    2. for
      for 13 June 2020 01: 22 New
      -2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      "You need to be more careful, guys, be more careful!" (from)

      It is not necessary, you need to add in the title "The West is concerned, etc. and success is assured.
  • DominickS
    DominickS 12 June 2020 14: 00 New
    -2
    What AI is now called is essentially not. You can teach neural networks, for example, to distribute targets, in order of priority, to identify the terrain or objects on it, perhaps to automatically open fire at white running points, from NVD data, but they will not get any natural or artificial intelligence from this. Accordingly, the modern similarity of AI is unlikely to be able to distinguish between a Bedouin with a whip, a bandit with a gun, or a child with a water pistol - it will beat everything.
    1. Gost2012
      Gost2012 12 June 2020 14: 53 New
      -2
      if so:
      Quote: DominickS
      T ...You can teach neural networks, for example, to distribute goals, in order of priority, to identify terrain or objects on it...

      why would the system not recognize? Modern neural networks recognize faces quite well. They are called AI precisely for the ability to learn, therefore, the elements of AI.
      Use Yandex? there just such networks, trained, conditionally on the reactions of thousands of people, then make decisions independently.
      To assume that on a modern airplane there is a primitive contraption with an algorithm if for 20 typical cases ... I don’t know if this were so, it would only hinder.
      Maybe they just run such networks, train, then analyze. If the actions are effective - somewhere they will give the right to automatic work. And in the future - an unmanned system.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 12 June 2020 15: 07 New
        +1
        Well, in the air it’s all easier. In wartime, everything that does not respond to one’s stranger is lost. Well, autopilot and rocket auto-launch are not very complex systems.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 12 June 2020 15: 05 New
    +1
    AI - as it is very loud. Just automatic start on a captured, but not identified target. Well, or automatic shooting traps.
    1. Gost2012
      Gost2012 14 June 2020 08: 05 New
      0
      launching a rocket and shooting traps is the execution of commands that the AI ​​will give or not give, but I am not a pilot, I don’t know, probably there are many other things, except for the launch of a rocket and a trap. Assess threats, perform a maneuver where the pilot's reaction is not enough. There may be several threats, and maybe not only military ones - serviceability, weather. And working with the pilot, the network can learn, which will serve as a "brick" for unmanned vehicles.
    2. Gost2012
      Gost2012 14 June 2020 08: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      AI - somehow very loud ...

      AI precisely because the decision is accepted network, and is not selected from the list of ready-made, but is formed on the basis of already gained experience. Therefore, it is intelligence.
      From science fiction films, we imagine AI with self-awareness, having a certain individual set of qualities, such as evil-kind-honest, etc. But thats a movie. AI is a program, no self-awareness is even expected, but this is not a linear algorithm, but the processing of the experience gained, and decision-making based on it. Like a person.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 14 June 2020 13: 47 New
        0
        AI is a program that can change itself. And in order to change oneself, in addition to sensors, some mechanisms are needed to evaluate their actions. I can imagine a self-learning missile flight control program where you can evaluate whether the target was hit or not, but not harder.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 12 June 2020 15: 07 New
    0
    And what can a flight engineer, a mechanic board, a technician board a plane in flight do? Never mind.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 12 June 2020 16: 55 New
    0
    In the West, they are concerned about the use of artificial intelligence on airplanes of the Russian Aerospace Forces


    And there they are in their west, all preoccupied, already disgusting))
  • Out
    Out 12 June 2020 17: 06 New
    +1
    Something according to the descriptions is similar to systems that have been on airplanes since the 70s.
  • wow
    wow 12 June 2020 17: 25 New
    +1
    There should be no information at all. Especially for the "general public".
  • Olddetractor
    Olddetractor 12 June 2020 18: 54 New
    0
    Decision Support System (DSS) has been used in reality for quite some time. A person in this area is a weak link, nature created it for another))
  • Stalllker
    Stalllker 12 June 2020 19: 33 New
    +1
    Isn't it AI in the same TOP ?! When the system offers the choice of the most dangerous target and the operator just needs to press the "Start" button. Here is the same mathematical calculation, the laid down algorithm of actions. AI is just half a gram, nothing complicated here. The article is about nothing at all, all this has been around for a long time and has been applied to one degree or another.
  • Vicontas
    Vicontas 12 June 2020 19: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Meanwhile, on PakDa and Tu160 a crew of 4 people

    After the maneuvers, the hero of the Russo-Turkish War, the head of the Academy of the General Staff of Russia, General Dragomirov, gathered the officers of the headquarters for disassembly. Several great dukes entered, one of whom said - "Can I speak after you?" “Go ahead, your Excellency,” Dragomirov replied, “Mind is good, and one and a half is better!” And on PAKD and TU160 there are as many as 4 FULL-VALUE minds, plus an artificial one! Why is it bad?
  • 123456789
    123456789 12 June 2020 22: 06 New
    0
    A distinctive feature of the developed aircraft of generation 4+ and 5 is the developed onboard intelligence (a set of computer algorithms and crew activity algorithms).
    The decision-making process by the pilot requires a quick qualitative and quantitative analysis of the large amount of available information, which is often incomplete or inaccurate. Moreover, the operator needs time not only to work out the solution itself, but also to search and perceive the information received. Carrying out such an analysis at a fairly deep level by the pilot independently, without hardware support, is very problematic in the conditions of work associated with a lack of time and extreme psychological tension. The decision support system helps to simplify the task of the pilot, and also helps to automate the process of managing the aviation complex.
    it was found that when the pilot follows the recommendations issued by BOSES during the conduct of 1 × 1 DBV, the probability of aircraft survival is significantly increased.

    The developed materials will be used in the formation of the information management system (IMS) software of modern fighters, which will significantly increase its effectiveness in long-range air battles.

    Design it (AI) (IT-shniki) on the basis of materials from experts who are specialists in the subject area under consideration. (For fighter pilots - such crap turns out)
    According to the network.
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 13 June 2020 12: 03 New
    +2
    New is usually well forgotten old. Mentioned in the article so-called. "Expert systems" began to be developed in the middle of the 70s of the last century and were part of automated command and control systems, including the ACCU Maneuver and Etalon, which were developed by the Research Institute of Automation Tools (Minsk) in cooperation with many research institutes and design bureaus of the former Soviet Union. At different times they were called differently, but they had the same essence - imitation dynamic modeling of the tactical situation in the zone of responsibility of the systems, the development of several options for solving the knowledge base and issuing recommendations to commanders of various levels on the optimal solution in these conditions.
    The main advantage of such models was that they used information about the enemy and their forces coming to the CP and PU systems from the relevant authorities and technical means in real or close to real time. In particular, such modeling was used to dynamically evaluate in real time the state of the radar fields of the above systems under the influence of enemy electronic warfare systems (active and passive interference, anti-radar shells and missiles, etc.) and also to decide on the management of radar and other means in in order to ensure the optimal balance between the tasks of detecting and tracking the enemy air attack facilities and the tasks of ensuring maximum combat stability of r / l systems
    But ... no one then called such models artificial intelligence (AI) and they were not such. Yes, and now, before the development of AI, as far as the moon, despite significant progress in the field of sensorics, computing, communications, etc.
    And the need for such systems is very limited. For example, use in unmanned vehicles, the remote control of which may be difficult or impossible for a number of reasons (interference, limited communication range of the drone with control points, etc.) where these mediums have to make some decisions on the implementation of the knowledge base themselves. But again, given that the main decisions on the management of processes in military equipment must be made by humans, the range of "liberties" given to drones has been and will remain very limited by a number of fairly simple tasks.
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  • domashniy domovoy
    domashniy domovoy 13 June 2020 19: 50 New
    0
    Having no analogues can mean that somewhere, someone has better analogues.
  • sen
    sen 14 June 2020 04: 35 New
    0
    AI is a must for modern aircraft, so it allows you to make decisions as quickly and optimally as possible.
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  • FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 14 June 2020 09: 14 New
    +1
    Nonsense. If the system works according to the built-in algorithms (and it cannot work differently on the plane, the same “tips” are issued from the list), then where did the “artificial intelligence” come from? At the moment, AI is not implemented anywhere.