Haftar's army: in the forces of the PNS, Turkish military and pro-Turkish militants are many times more than Libyans

The forces of the so-called Libyan National Accord Government have issued a statement saying that Turkey will establish an “air bridge” to Libya. On this "bridge" from Turkish airbases in Tripoli, military transporters operate flights on an ongoing basis.

The LNA (Libyan National Army) notes that Turkey "floods" Libya weapons of a different nature. We're talking about armored vehicles. drones, anti-tank missile systems, small arms, etc. Moreover, these weapons are not only Turkish-made.

From the statement of the representatives of the forces of Marshal Haftar, who noted on the eve that the entire planning of operations for the PNS is carried out by Turkish military instructors:

The Turkish military and pro-Turkish militants are many times more enemy than the Libyans. Whose interests are they fighting on Libyan soil? Certainly not for the interests of the Libyan people.

Meanwhile, more and more evidence of the presence of Turkish troops and pro-Turkish militants appears in the network in the Tripoli region and south of the Libyan capital. The Anadolu Information Service claims that the Turkish military is helping to clear the "territories liberated from Haftar forces."

In LNA:

Turkey intervenes in Syria's internal affairs using NATO military tools

It became known that the al-Vatiya base captured by the PNS was turned into an air base for the deployment of Turkish drones, including the Bayraktar TB2 UAV. Turkish troops, according to Libyan sources, are creating a full-fledged naval base in Misrata.

Meanwhile, the forces of Fayez Saraj (PNS) claim to have allegedly found one mass grave of “victims of the Haftarovites” after another. Eight mass graves were announced, about which the UN, as they themselves noted, "can be horrified."

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[013Azer]

For some reason, the theme of Libya is more annoying and disgusting to me than the theme of Syria.

[Partaktiv]

Haftar's army: in the forces of the PNS, Turkish military and pro-Turkish militants are many times more than Libyans

\ And how do you like? Gaddafi was soaked and did not receive money ..
So Haftar, prove that if you are for the people of Libya and are trying to restore what happened ..

[Nikanet]

Respect Meehan, truly verb!

[gorecc]

Haftarovtsy not tired of whining?)
one would like to ask, and for whose interests do you supply equipment from the UAE, Jordan, Egypt? for whose interests mercenaries from Chad and Sudan are fighting for Haftar, some others, we will not point fingers) do they really do all this in the interests of the Libyan people, seriously?

Meanwhile, more and more evidence of the presence of Turkish troops and pro-Turkish militants appears in the network in the Tripoli region and south of the Libyan capital. The Anadolu Information Service claims that the Turkish military is helping to clear the "territories liberated from Haftar forces."

open secret, in my opinion no one particularly denied that Turkish military personnel and advisers are participating in the Libyan conflict on the side of the People’s Party, at the official invitation of the internationally recognized government of the People’s Party, as Erdogan himself likes to emphasize)
in this regard, the Sultan cosplays Putin and

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gorecc

at the official invitation of the internationally recognized government of the pc

Internationally recognized impostors? Moreover, opposing the legally elected legislature.
Fun things are happening there ... Democracy and freedom are directly raging.

[Nikanet]

And why is the legitimate government presented as "so-called", while specific mass graves are presented in such a way as "supposedly found"?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Nikanet

Why a legitimate government

There is no legitimate government. Generally.

[Nikanet]

Well, the Libyans recognize their government! The fact that you do not recognize does not change anything.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Nikanet

Well, the Libyans recognize their government!

Who told you that?

[Nikanet]

The Libyans told me. And who told you that there is no legitimate government?
September 1, 2011, the Russian Federation also officially recognized the legitimacy of the PNS. Your opinion does not coincide with the opinion of the Foreign Ministry of your country or do you support extremism?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Nikanet

The Libyans told me.

And they told me the opposite.

Quote: Nikanet

And who told you that there is no legitimate government?

Because he is not.
There is no democratically elected executive in Libya. Neither the people themselves, nor their legal representatives.

Quote: Nikanet

September 1, 2011, the Russian Federation also officially recognized the legitimacy of the PNS.

The Russian Federation is not a citizen of Libya. And therefore, cannot confirm or acknowledge the legitimacy of self-appointees

Quote: Nikanet

Your opinion does not coincide with the opinion of the Foreign Ministry of your country

Yes, it does not coincide .. In Russia, democracy and not dictatorship are quite acceptable.
In your country, apparently this is not so, if you are surprised?

[Alex Justice]

We have in the news, in Libya, a demonstration against a corrupt government.

[Yarhann]

in a country civil war, both sides of the conflict are supported by different players. Even in Moscow, they said to Haftar that it’s enough to play shooting and that it’s time to bazaar, which should end with elections and the end of the mess. But the belligerent general decided that he was smarter than everyone - therefore, starting from the spring he regularly raked out and the opportunity to agree for him personally was less and less, if at all, had not completely disappeared.

[gorecc]

Say what you like, but Pnc is the only legitimate authority of Libya recognized by the international community .. although in fact in Libya there is a similar civil war with the active intervention of external players like in Syria, only a side view.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Gorecc

Like it or not, but the only legitimate internationally recognized community

Recognized - maybe. But not "legitimate"

Quote: Gorecc

although in fact in Libya there is a similar civil war with the active intervention of external players as in Syria, only a side view.

In Libya, everything is much. much worse.
There, the "struggle for democracy" went much further. And apparently, they will fight until the last Libyan

[Nikanet]

Soon the Turks will quote:
We can repeat it!))

[APASUS]

So it’s worth waiting for the appearance of powerful forces on the side of Marshal Haftar. Something tells me that this is the beginning of a very serious conflict, the prologue of World War II.

[Siberian 66]

Nobody needs a world war. Because poherit all economic and political interests. Yes, and the pride of unfinished kings and emperors. But such numerous small wars, on the contrary, amuse pride and bring not bad dividends. For all sponsors including.

[NIKN]

I still don’t understand today. Who is ours? who to root for?

[APASUS]

Quote: NIKNN

I still don’t understand today. Who is ours? who to root for?

How much our Haftar is not yet clear, but they received him in Moscow at the highest level and seem to help him too

[NIKN]

Well, in Moscow, many are accepted. We are a hospitable people. And who is right there? As I understand it, everything is for itself here, so far no one is thinking about the state ... Turkey is its own .., someone is its own ... In general, from the region so far Syria is only for itself ... (well, the UAE and others the same is clear with Israel too)

[gorecc]

but does anyone care who is right and who is not? there are only interests of different states, everything is as usual .. And the fact that Moscow for Haftar is also an open secret, but some with a smart look are still trying to deny it)

[Yarhann]

He was accepted to admonish - that it was time to stop the fire and begin to build peace, but Haftar sent a fuck about the essence of the Russian Federation as an intermediary for negotiations.

[really]

For both, you will not lose

[NIKN]

A win-win. Although the option that the losing is not excluded. The mentality requires rooting for one's own.

[really]

If you don’t have your own, you have to root for beautiful football, or whatever you prefer.

[gorecc]

well, to some extent you are even right. Moscow is trying to balance in Libya, but it supports Haftar, but does not zeal in this, while trying to maintain contacts from the opposite side in the face of the People's Republic of China.

[really]

Or you just need to look at the news without getting into the process. When the two mutuzut each other for power, we do not know who is worse, guessing that both

[Nikanet]

Cheer for Spartak or Dynamo. Yours on BV, and especially not in Africa.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: APASUS

Hence worth the wait for the emergence of powerful forces on the side of the marshal Haftara: Something tells me that this is the beginning of a very serious conflict, the prologue of the World War

Egypt is already pulling the army to the Libyan border and shipping Haftaru b / p and the equipment is much more active than it was in April before the marshal's attack on Tripoli. Along the way, Egypt is not very happy with the fact that Turkey wants to gain a firm foothold near it.

[Nikanet]

Egypt is out of the game! Sisi does not even dare to look towards Libya.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Nikanet

Egypt is out of the game! Sisi does not even dare to look towards Libya.

What an interesting you are! What prevents Sisi from looking towards Libya? Egypt in this region is perhaps the most advanced army and the entire resource base for its provision. The interests of mattresses and Turks there were stumbled back even at that time when the Egyptian army picked out the Muslim brothers who briefly seized power, and very briefly.

[Nikanet]

As for the Egyptian army, I know, even about its 1100 Abramsov, too)) This does not change anything.
Firstly, without US permission, Egypt will not even burp.
Secondly, Turkey is not Libya for Egypt, and not even Syria. Turkish Sultans already entered Cairo as winners.
Thirdly, in Egypt itself the situation is very precarious and for the buildup you need a whole spark.
And the question is Dmitry. Why do you think the Egyptians deployed a Russian transporter who was carrying weapons to Jufra?

[Nikanet]

Nothing to expect, Haftar is over. Even Egypt deployed the Russian side with the help of Haftaru. Fsso, there will be no kina!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Nikanet

Nothing to expect, Haftar is over. Even Egypt deployed the Russian side with the help of Haftaru. Fsso, there will be no kina!

You are finally interesting !!! Do you really boil the fluid excreted by the body only from the realization that someone has deployed the Russian side somewhere, as if the solution to the Libyan problem depended on the passage of this side? Who told you that everything revolves around Haftar or around Saraja? Take away any and tomorrow there will be two other "pretzels" that will oppose each other. The PNS and LNA are just tools for solving the problem on earth, but the point is how the forces behind them agree, and so it will be. Russia undoubtedly has interests there, but they are not so great that it would participate there directly, at least at the level of presence in Syria, since its interests will be taken into account in any outcome since again, she's not officially taking sides.

[Yarhann]

I think for the Russian Federation the end of the confrontation in Libya is much more important than the victory of any particular side. That is, the end of the civil war is primary.

[V.I.P.]

The Turks are practicing warfare not just with groups in the form of Kurds, but also with the armed forces having aircraft, air defense systems, naval forces, and armored vehicles. Trained in the army of Syria and Haftar. At the same time, the Turks themselves die. They have smart tactics - they are fighting mercenaries, but not Turks, but others. And they do not need any PMCs like Wagner. The goals are achieved, but the citizens of their country do not die.
They are testing their equipment, as well as the Russian Federation, moreover, good advertising is underway ..

[Nikanet]

Take into account one basic nuance. Libya was part of the OI and its population is 30% ethnic Turks. Even Haftar himself has a Turkish mother. Libyans are calm in common people, but if they drove them to tease, it would be bad. About 70% of the population is located in the territory of the controlled PNS. There are some tribes that have enjoyed special privileges since ancient times, but they are also currently loyal to the Turks and the PNS. Haftar is armed with only mercenaries from all over Africa, where people are killed for $ 1.

[nov_tech.vrn]

Not until yesterday, the PNS reported victories in Sirte and threatened to finish off Haftar right now. But today, news from other sources.
The Libyan army drove the forces of the pro-Turkish regime in Tripoli from the city of Sirte. When the Turks and their Syrian mercenaries, the jihadists tried to stop the counterattack of the army of Marshal Haftar, the Russian Pantsir installations shot down four more Turkish attack drone.

[really]

Gle forester, where forester?

[Interlocutor]

Russian installations "Shell" shot down four more Turkish impact drone.

The shell is no longer spoil any information. A hard worker like silk will be with time

[Dikson]

So the Syrian Igilovites and the fighters with the bloody regime Assad found a job .. I wonder if the White Helmets will be harrowing stories to sculpt from Libya?

[Free wind]

May they destroy this Syria and Libya, together with their Assads, or whoever else is there. I will not worry at all. Yes, let them burn in hellfire. They themselves lit this .... and let them disentangle themselves. For them, our guys are still dying. Yes, let them all die with their ..............

[pardonov]

The Turks bent us on the offensive in Idlib, if someone forgot to suddenly stop attacking, they are now bending us in Libya, what is the percentage of NATO ??? WE ARE WE

[nPuBaTuP]

And you can in more detail .... whom is this you and in what position .....

[Yarhann]

oh yes tell me in more detail how they bent and who exactly))) it is interesting purely for neighing. Just indicate the chronology of events)))

[Nikanet]

Quote: Gorecc

deliver equipment from the UAE, Jordan, Egypt

And why did you forget about the Russian Federation and France?

[nobody111body]

Yes, unless the Jews when the thread will give up Libyan oil or even more gas- "reef1" or we can "reef2-of course the figure of 300 billion cubic meters is perhaps a fantasy; so Haftar should be hanged and then gas development will begin; although it may be that Haftar will be hanged for about 20 years

[Nikanet]

Quote: Spade

We have democracy in Russia and not dictatorship

I don’t intend to communicate with you anymore!

[Nikanet]

Quote: Nyrobsky

her interests will be taken into account at any outcome

No more than an office of the Chamber of Commerce. Although, I think there will not be even one
And they made fun of the fact that Russia has no interests there. So why then fertilize the land (more precisely, the desert) Libyan? And you did not answer the question about the Russian side, which was given a "turn from the gate". There will be no Russia in Libya, that's for sure!

[Klingon]

for a full buffet table, the Turks have to grapple with the Greeks - this will be a split in NATA!

[Oquzyurd]

Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Kotsias in an interview with Greek Radio Alpha said that we should be open to all communication channels in order to prevent any crisis with Turkey ....... (. Dale lyrics) .... As a result, he said “All communication channels must be open so that there is no crisis, no hot events, and Greece will make every effort to reduce tensions.” The Minister of Greece added that compared with other neighboring countries, Turkey is the best neighbor.
So the buffet is canceled, since the Greeks will not go to aggravation with the Turks.

[Tatyana Sementsova]

In all this, the actions of the NATO country - Turkey care more ... Turkey is everywhere now, in Libya, and in Syria, and the Greeks pour salt on the wound, and so on ... ...... What egg is the death needle Turkish economy? Or is she immortal?

[voyaka uh]

Turkey is a developed industrial country with a ramified and modern
civilian economy. A variety of assembly plants and factories
for the manufacture of spare parts and assemblies for leading European and Japanese firms.
In addition, they have developed electronics - both civilian and military.
And a modern defense industry.

[Oquzyurd]

In the first quarter, when almost everyone was in the red due to the coronavirus, the Turks managed to grow in the economy by 4.5%.

[Tatyana Sementsova]

I think the tomato still needs to be abandoned and not to go to Turkey to spend money on vacation ...... And "funny times" will come.

[Dron_sk]

It is worth abandoning Turkish tomatoes and their economy will collapse. Infa 100%.
But seriously, they have a versatile, rather strong economy: both industry and the services sector with tourism and the agricultural sector are developed. We (Russia) buy clothes, vegetables, nuts, pistachios, etc. from them (Turkey), we like to visit their resorts / hotels / restaurants, due to which we enrich them well, and occupy only a small part in the entire export section of Turkey.
Turkey is now similar to Nazi Germany of the 1930s: there is its own ambitious Fuhrer-Sultan, there are ambitions to return the historical territories, there is silent support from the West, and Turks, like Germans, have always been a warlike people.
It is unlikely that, of course, Turkey will begin to prepare for a very big war and load almost the entire industry on a war footing as Germany in the late 1930s. But still, it is necessary to strengthen intelligence over Turkey.

[Oquzyurd]

"Turkey is now similar to Nazi Germany in the 1930s: it has its own ambitious Fuhrer-sultan," Not a good and not correct comparison. Turkey is a multicultural country that has no hatred for neighbors and other nations. Always stands next to the oppressed, and even under the "Empire "they were not such, in the classical sense of the word - Empire. A defensive reaction in this ambition, while developing to take care of their own, to help those who really suffer from the actions of the colonial patrons and their henchmen.

[Cyril G ...]

Turkey is a multicultural country without hatred towards neighbors and other nations. It always stands next to the oppressed, and

Thank. They haven’t been so funny for a long time. Good joke. By the way, do the Kurds know?

Always standing next to the oppressed

The word was especially pleased Always!

[Roman1970_1]

Turkey is a multicultural country without hatred towards neighbors and other nations. It always stands next to the oppressed, and

Thank. They haven’t been so funny for a long time. Good joke. By the way, do the Kurds know?

Armenians in the know.

[Oquzyurd]

Yes, in the course. Only they did not need to engage in acts against their state, in which they lived in peace and harmony for 700 years.

[Roman1970_1]

No one was doing anything. Losing the war, the Turkish authorities needed a guilty party. So the Armenians were found.
In general, the people who lived 700 years in the country will perceive the country as their own and will be no less patriots

[Oquzyurd]

"as their own and will be no less patriots" So it was, before the coming of the war to the Turks of the colonial Empires, promising the Armenians "states" and ivy, arming many of them against their state. It did not work, the Empires eventually lost (1914-15 Gallipoli) , along with the Armenians. Since that time, the pain of the tail does not rest the same forces.

[Oquzyurd]

99% of the Kurds live in peace and harmony in this country. Half of them are relatives of the Turks. They have all the rights of citizens of this state, they can elect and be elected to any position, up to the president. Example: the late Turgut Ozal. No country will agree to the collapse of its territory, proceed from this, it will become easier.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Oquzyurd

No country will agree to the collapse of its territory, proceed from this, it will become easier.

The right of peoples to self-determination is not inaudible. (with.)

Half of them are relatives of the Turks.

Of course, for all Kurds were made Turks and even forbidden to communicate in their own dialect ....

[Oquzyurd]

"I have not heard the right of peoples to self-determination." Unitary countries (multinationals) always choose territorial integrity rather than self-determination of an individual ethnos, which can lead to the disappearance of the state itself, since other ethnic groups can do the same. Usually, self-determination is trumpeted by those who stand on the edge, look, and want to harm to the state, which for various reasons is not convenient, not desirable. In a word, they want everything to work in the interests of instigators, chants of self-determination. This is "care", hypocrisy of the highest brand ....... What you do not wish for yourself is not wish others too ..
"even forbidden to communicate in their own dialect ... . "What planet do you live in? Kurds have all the rights, education in their native language, even a separate channel in Kurdish on the state TV" TRT 6 "

[Cyril G ...]

This is "care", the highest brand hypocrisy ....

Either the rules are the same for everyone, or Russia, in turn, is obliged to actively take care of the self-determination of the peoples of Turkey, remembering about the actions of the Turks in the Crimea and the Caucasus, by the way, fresh, Indian tribes of the North American continent, the French of Canada, and others.

. "What planet do you live in?

And you? An evening of drop dead stories has come !?

[Oquzyurd]

Tinsel, wattle, and verbal ... to nothing. You poked "The right of peoples to self-determination" "forbidden to communicate in their own dialect" "Today, 16:32" I already answered you clearly enough. If your goal is "NOT to eat grapes, but to beat gardener ", then I'm sorry, the gardener is up to date, he is ready for anything.

[Cyril G ...]

Thanks for the answer. It is clear that you essentially have nothing to say. After all, no one likes when they poke his nose into their own waste products ... And that’s why - either everyone plays by the same rules, recognizing the inviolability of the borders of existing state formations and non-interference in internal affairs, at least in a rough way like the arrangement of maidans and other rainbow colors obscurantism, or catch the otter and sit and do not whine. In light of the activities of Turkey in the North Caucasus in the 90s and 00s, we simply must actively contribute to the self-determination of the Kurds. So understandable?

[Oquzyurd]

“It is clear that you have essentially nothing to say.” He said what and why about the unitary countries, but you are not satisfied, it doesn’t mean that he didn’t answer. And, "Nobody likes it when they poke their nose into their own waste ..." it is clear that you also did not like it if you react so nervously. I am stopping this useless conversation, as you "convinced yourself that you were right."

[Cyril G ...]

For God's sake. Do not think for me, I didn’t like it just for you. Have you decided to show off with hypocrisy and a double standard of thinking?
- will not work!

[Cyril G ...]

I wonder when the war breaks out between NATO countries, how will they ride in Brussels?

[Nychego]

Haftar is really so bad that the time has come to whine and complain?

[FIR FIR]

The Turkish military and pro-Turkish militants are many times more enemy than the Libyans. Whose interests are they fighting on Libyan soil? Certainly not for the interests of the Libyan people.

The Libyan people had everything and ... everything about ... Now the Libyan oil resources are shared by other nations.

[Klingon]

Quote: Tatyana Sementsova

In all this, the actions of the NATO country - Turkey care more ... Turkey is everywhere now, in Libya, and in Syria, and the Greeks pour salt on the wound, and so on ... ...... What egg is the death needle Turkish economy? Or is she immortal?

in tourism)) it is worth canceling all trips of Russians to Turkey and the economy will begin to slide downhill ... although with the coronavirus like it is now, no one goes anywhere

[Oquzyurd]

"although with the coronavirus as it is now, no one goes anywhere" You answered yourself. Of the 50-51 million tourists (2019), the share of Russians was 6-7 million. Yes, the damage would be, now all the more, but you see, they were not taken aback in this case, so it is not fatal for them ...

[raki-uzo]

Russians go to Turkey, because it is profitable for them to relax in Turkey. Pay more and go wherever you want, there are Seychelles and karayba. No money - sit at home and don’t cry. The answer is not for you, but for everyone who thinks that Turkey will give up its interests for the sake of money. I personally do not want the Russians to come to rest in Turkey. They closed hotels, which means their money does not see the Turkish economy. The owners of large hotels are foreigners and foreign companies. Plus, the Turkish state pays for part of the flights, taxes are underestimated, discounts for tour operators ... But why are they needed here. Because of them, Germans and others are less likely to be with us. And they spend money, unlike Russian. Here is my tale for you guys, go to Egypt.

[Klingon]

I wonder what it was then for the sake of Russians met in Antalya with flowers and champagne, after Putin gave the green light to the resumption of tour flights from Russia to Turkey after the well-known incident ???
And by the way about the Germans))) - after all the tricks of your Edik, the Germans are not really eager to fly to you, they’d better fly to Spain (Majorca Canary, Barcelona) Portugal (Madeira, Azores) Italy and Greece are generally nearby, so you will probably have to cry. And if the Russians stop traveling to your tourism, the caput will be completely

[Oquzyurd]

"I wonder what it was then for the sake of the Russians met in Antalya with flowers and champagne" After all, you yourself understand that this is also part of politics (visual presentation for the world viewer), after a rather tense state of relations between the two countries. They did this to show their attitude towards towards Russia as a whole, an attitude towards cooperation.

[Klingon]

Quote: Oquzyurd

"although with the coronavirus as it is now, no one goes anywhere" You answered yourself. Of the 50-51 million tourists (2019), the share of Russians was 6-7 million. Yes, the damage would be, now all the more, but you see, they were not taken aback in this case, so it is not fatal for them ...

yes I can not agree