Do you want a new constitution? Receive and sign!

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Do you want a new constitution? Receive and sign!

In general, in Russia there is not enough monument. Monument to the TV. Something like a monument to Zvorykin, the inventor of this thing, but vice versa.

That monument, which is worthy of the population of our country, should look the other way around: a huge TV hanging over a crowd of small people beating in ecstasy.



Here are some thoughts that inspire such thoughts.

As an epigraph, I would like to take the words of our reader Valery:

“This article is a recognition of defeat! I agree - you (I’m the author of the article) lose! I’m sure the People of Russia will vote for amendments to the Constitution, and thereby inflict a devastating blow on Westerners and teachers who want to ruin our Power. ”

(Spelling saved.)

Now, if you take according to Valery, then Russia has no greater enemies than Westerners and pederasts. And after all, many are sure of this, thanks to my native TV! It worked in full.


I would like to ask: where are they, these hosts of buggers who want to ruin your Power? If we have, then where are the FSB, FSK, MVD, Rosguard and other scary letter combinations looking?


If abroad, then what does the Constitution have to do with it, if it is, so to speak, “for internal use”?

It is clear that there are no other problems in the country, except for the terrible crowd of pederasts who are ruining our foundations and statehood. There are no problems in culture, in social programs. Well, medicine has shown itself in all its glory in dealing with the virus.

Although no, there is also the Dark Lord Liberal, aka Alexey Navalny. Also a terrible liberal force, which is just waiting for the moment to ruin Russia.


And so too many believe. And believe in it.

And here comes an old saying about the cross and cowards. Or or. Indeed, on our pages very often anathema is made of certain liberals, who are also called "liberalists." Say, they, liberals, are the main enemies of Russia. And it is they who will sell it, destroy it, destroy it. Just give free rein and opportunity.

You begin to understand, ask questions: who is it, dear readers? The answers are not encouraging variety. Bulk. Bulk and the rest. Bulk and liberals.

In general, you will inevitably begin to respect Navalny. Voldemort and Sauron in one bottle. A kind of omnipotent Evil, with which "all the royal cavalry and all the royal army" can not control.

Strong The Dark Lord, strong ... One word - Liberal. It’s just right to scare children.

However, what about those who oppose him? Who are they? Those who are for President Putin and his team? Who are they? Communists, or what?

No, they are ... liberals!

And here the brain resolutely says “Stand! Think!" How is it that everything is against the liberals, for Putin, and he is a liberal ...


Well, that's the opinion, right? Not the last person in his clip says. Do not believe it? Okay, what about Himself?


But this?


And how should this be regarded? Liberals who are against liberals liberalizing our society? What about Putin?

As a result, the output is a complete mess in the head, in the system. The system wedges, and it already starts to fail. Tens, moans, thousands of people against liberals who want to ruin our unfortunate country, sell everything at a cheap price, take money abroad into offshore and in general, there is no worse enemy for Russia than a liberal.

At the same time, Putin is a liberal. Medvedev is a liberal. Nabiullina, Pamfilova, Tereshkova, Gref, Chubais - all as one liberals. Take the government and Putin’s team — not a single communist. Only used, former.

So who are we talking about? What kind of liberals? Are there several types of them? Sorry, sturgeon is only one freshness, as the immortal genius Mikhail Afanasyevich said. So liberalism is only one.

Liberalism (from lat. Liberalis - free) is a philosophical and sociopolitical movement that proclaims the inviolability of human rights and personal freedoms.

And there is nothing of the kind in the wording ... Human rights and freedoms - this is the main and main thing!

But let us leave aside those liberals who want to ruin Russia and talk about liberals who want to build in Russia. Although, as for me, there are neither the first nor the second. There are just liberals who want to. They want to live well. It seems like for the people.

And now the people hired changes to the Constitution. Well, the truth is, we ourselves discussed how much, about the ruble, which is the appendage of the dollar, about rights, the law ... the Central Bank, guarantees and all that.

Here, get it. The Constitution, which is amended by more than 400 amendments, is in fact the new Constitution. Wanted - sign in receipt.


We (including myself) criticized (quite rightly) the old Constitution. Yes, it was created “on the knee”, but what’s there, it’s just written off from the American one.

True, for some reason there is not a word about the ruble. And the Central Bank does not need to be touched. He is one of the best in the world. And Nabiullina is one of the best leaders of national banks in the world. That's what the British say, and we all know perfectly well that Britain is a friend of Russia. The best. No wonder all the liberals who are ours and the oligarchs who do not exist in Russia at all, they buy houses and apartments for themselves there. And there they raise children and granddaughters with granddaughters.

But what has been done in terms of amendments is also sometimes surprising. And what they contributed, and how we will vote. Moreover, the surprise is quite justified and logical.

30 days for “amendment analysis work”. Well, yes, the “working group”, assembled in an emergency mode, according to the media, managed to sit down three times. And then the State Duma adopted all the amendments in the first reading.

And really, what a long time to sit? Nevertheless, there are already laws; everything works. And it has been working for a long time. The question is how, if at all, works.

In fact, there’s no point in discussing all the 400 plus amendments. It is interesting, but despite the fact that the amendments are planned to be accepted in bulk, they show an obvious division into different target audiences.

In general, it reminds me of food packages from the 80s of the Soviet Union. The so-called "rations", which were implemented at enterprises. Soviet will not let lie, it was interesting there. Along with really useful things (from the point of view of one part of the population), any stale stuff, often not quite edible, was stuffed there.

But in our case, something will fall over to everyone.

For example, adherents of faith in the KhPP, “sharp breakthrough” and “real rise” have enough amendments regarding indexations, the level of the minimum wage and so on. Yes, of course, it’s good when the main document guarantees something. The minimum wage is not lower than the subsistence level.

The whole problem is that some promise compliance, but others do it. And there are a lot of nuances.

I’d like the milk package to have a guaranteed capacity: liter. Like before. And now there may be as many as you like. From 830 to 1000 grams.




This is all, incidentally, provided by law. Which just doesn't work. Minimum wage, and who will abolish inflation? And how can its growth be envisaged by one line of the Constitution? Yes, everything is in the laws. Who knows in which and for how long they have not been working?

In general, for 20 years the state has been fighting poverty so well that some are already on the verge of poverty. There were not just many promises to combat poverty, they were systematically and regularly made, on “direct lines” and in election programs. Sense? It’s safe to say zero.

Maybe I'm wrong, and after the July 1 vote, prices will skyrocket? Because everything will now be spelled out and guaranteed by the Basic Law?

I doubt it. To the gentlemen oligarchs, whom we do not have, to lose profit is somehow not serious. Therefore, prices will continue to rise. First of all, for fuel, and then everyone else will follow them. Which, in fact, is happening.

Therefore, prescribe a rich life in the Constitution or not - it will come only when the laws begin to work.

Another example. A bunch of amendments to the suffrage. Ah, how everyone liked that people with dual citizenship can no longer be elected. Their own crowds of deputies tried to get through. And now - that's it.

But forgive me, all these amendments were in the Federal Law of June 12, 2002 No. 67-ФЗ "On Basic Guarantees of Electoral Rights and the Right to Participate in the Referendum of Citizens of the Russian Federation."

Do you understand? They just took points from the law and transferred them to the Constitution. But if the law did not work until today and criminals, thieves, crooks, citizens of the two countries crawled into the deputies, then it simply did not work for 18 years. And whether it will work now that the points have been transferred to the Constitution, it is difficult to say.

Here, it seems, the goal is somewhat different, political. Which is presented to us as the fact that these amendments will strengthen our sovereignty. Sorry, but the key to independence, that is, sovereignty is a stable developed economy, a solid monetary unit and a good army.

Well, a few words about the changes in the Federation Council and the Constitutional Court. Well, the fact that the Federation Council is completely “manual” and at the first click of your fingers will vote for anything in its entirety is not a secret. And further its role is unlikely to change, what amendments there do not introduce.

With the Constitutional Court is even more interesting. The number of judges will be reduced, the president will be able to dismiss them in the “case of what” with the approval of the Federation Council. Interestingly, SF approve or how? In general, the COP will become a very strange tool.

What is the Council of State, why and who needs it - this is a separate issue. A new structure with incomprehensible powers, and most importantly - tasks. But once you need ...

Well, the most interesting. As the whole country is stubbornly trying to drag on this vote.


Already in Moscow, dozens of cases of “recommendations” to public sector employees began to vote remotely / online on mos.ru. Naturally, “for” the amendments and in some places with the subsequent provision of confirmation of the “correct” vote. A wave of complaints and indignation has already begun.

First of all, it began in educational institutions, but municipal service enterprises have already gone into business.

But there are enough oddities already. There is such a thing as election transparency. What is planned for July 1 is somewhat different from world standards.

By itself, a tripled term for the discussion of amendments is not the best that could be done. Many are interested, but no one really could say why such a haste.

Unlike a referendum, unrelated amendments are adopted in one package. No variability, no freedom. Yes, the Kremlin calls this vote a “vote of confidence in Putin,” but trust in the president is one thing, and constitutional amendments, albeit proposed by the president, are still different.

The direct participation of the CEC in the campaign immediately removes this organization from the list of neutral and impartial observers and contradicts the status of the CEC as an organization responsible for fair elections.

In addition, voting in a pandemic is not the easiest thing to do. Here, we can immediately note a shortened protocol and a limitation on the work of observers. It seems not to be fatal, it is clear that “stuffing” is hardly to be expected, but there is some sediment.

And here it is also necessary to add on the fact that the CEC’s campaign is “informing,” and any statements “against” - illegal campaigning begins immediately.

But, in general, I repeat: it is completely incomprehensible where such a fierce rush comes from. Three days ago in Moscow everything was sad, there was no discussion of any parades and voting, but here again - and all the bans were canceled. And immediately, as the people were released into the fresh air, the morbidity and mortality did not go down - they flew.

But in my city, despite all these types of restrictions and a seemingly masked regime, the number of infected people continues to grow.


And I’m sure that in Moscow everything is exactly the same. But statistics is such a delicate thing, there, as I looked, I counted - so it happened.

But it is necessary, necessary, very necessary that everyone vote for these amendments. It is clear that the main one is the 81st article of the old Constitution, that is, zeroing. But the election is not tomorrow. That is not this year. And not even the following. And in the Duma elections, EP is expected to win again, because it will win.

And here the most terrible question arises: what does the coming day prepare for us?

Why is there such a rush?

What will follow the adoption of these amendments?

No, it’s clear that you should not expect something epoch-making and good. As was the case with the pension, it seems like a reform, but in reality it is somewhat different. At that time, opinions were also almost asked of us, although the people shouted that we did not support, did not approve.

As a result, received. In full. Despite the protests.

What is it they want to stir up that popular approval is needed? It’s scary to imagine even.

In general, all this katavasiya would look funny and sad, if it happened in any other country. But here, alas, everything is not the same as in the rest of the world.

However, we wanted a different constitution? We will get it. Without any doubt.

The fact that it is somewhat different from our expectations ... Well, you know, a strong and independent ruble and a stable economy, independent of what the price of oil is, the price of the same gasoline, even though sometimes depending on the price of oil, that is, declining, is it’s not the main thing.

The main thing is that the pederasts do not capture Russia, do not enter into an alliance with the Dark Lord and do not rape and plunder the country. It is clear that the Dark Lord will rob, and to rape these ...

That’s the main thing, that’s why it’s worth going to vote. And inflation, rising prices, falling incomes are such trifles compared to the fact that there will be no one to rule the country in 4 years.

So July 1 is a very important day in the life of the country.
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  1. +49
    14 June 2020 05: 14
    We understand perfectly well that the majority of those who will go like "express their opinion" have not read the amendments and are not going to read them, let alone delve into their essence, their opinions will be based on comments in the media and from the "zomboyaschik". Itself to read, to delve into, it is necessary to strain the brains, to understand what this or that will lead to. What is worth, for example, one clause of the amendments that some subjects of the federation can chop off other territories in their interests and establish their own laws on them - what, like TORs, are already few, do you want private latifundia? The amendment about "eternal" senators is also of no interest to anyone - just think, eternal senators, which is unprecedented. As well as delving into the essence of the amendments about the territories, which, as it were, should not be given to the enemy, except ... as in the demarcation of the border and the settlement of territorial disputes (hello Kurilam). But about the family, God, the "Russian people", traditions, victory in the Great Patriotic War, the minimum wage (about which it is not said that it should be indexed by the amount of inflation - keep it at whatever level you want so that you do not die right away), guarantees of pensions with incomprehensible years (quietly removed the previous terms from 60 years for men and 55 for women) and other meaningless in reality, but "loud-sounding" -SMI screams without stopping. Oh, yes, even about the priority of domestic law over international, that is, human rights are now, as it were, "to the light of the day," and nowhere to complain about the master. And by the way, where is the promised amendment to change the status of the Central Bank? Where did the proposed amendment banning foreign accounts and real estate for government officials and deputies go?
    In addition to the notorious zeroing and "maneuver" with eternal senatorship, the most important "amendment" to the Constitution for the government is the "priority" of domestic law over international law. ”The population deceived by the Russian media that international law allegedly persecutes only gay and lesbian , tolerance, juvenile, etc., and he must not be allowed into "happy Russia", does not understand what, in fact, "international law" implies: freedom of thought and expression, personal inviolability before a court decision, presumption of innocence, immunity housing and property, equality of all before the law, freedom of protests and complaints, etc. But the most important thing: the Russian government, removing the point of supremacy of international law over domestic law, thereby unties its hands in building a "digital concentration camp" on the territory of Russia - by adopting this amendment, citizens of Russia to be deprived of any opportunity to challenge the decisions of the authorities in an international court, which is based on the conditional priority of universal human values ​​"and monitors the non-violation of human rights. That is, the Russian authorities now can pass any, even the most inhuman laws, without looking back at international opinion and the opinion of their people, who were deprived of the last opportunity to defend their rights in an international court. Welcome to the emerging Russian "digital concentration camp"!
    1. +46
      14 June 2020 05: 32
      "... This is a line from the poem of the same name by Evgeny Yevtushenko:
      Nightingales sing near Kursk,

      In Moscow, backsides, as before, are licking ...

      I love my homeland,

      But I hate the state!

      Everywhere thieves, wherever you spit,

      And each of them flies "to the kingdom" ...

      I love my homeland

      But I hate the state!
      1. +17
        14 June 2020 06: 01
        Cool batch went ... comments in verse.
        1. +59
          14 June 2020 06: 23
          Since campaigning is prohibited, but information is allowed:

          1. +4
            14 June 2020 06: 28
            It was all immediately clear who was not at the trough and who did not have pink glasses.
            1. +10
              14 June 2020 06: 54
              The essential question. What will these amendments give and to whom?

              Nothing for the people. But the one who started these amendments, "caring for the people", will become the main beneficiary. There will be an excuse to reset to zero.
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              2. +8
                14 June 2020 13: 55
                Not on the way.

                ***

                Talk to people: "Vote!
                Accept all amendments! "
                What are you hoping for? Well, justify -
                With crooks, bribes are known to be smooth.

                Let you say "yes", and, if you want, "no",
                Plebs is important for extras,
                You will go barefoot to the next world -
                Such installations.

                The last time they need you
                In a golden gallery too crowded.
                Then roll straight to hell
                There is no place for the outcast in paradise.
                1. -56
                  14 June 2020 14: 18
                  Quote: lexus
                  Out of the way

                  You finally updated the training manual, my sympathy ...

                  But this will not help, if you love - go on, do not go on, but it will be - as it will ...

                  Man, your sponsors are smart people. They do not spend money on losers. You lost this call, in the next - they will bet on anyone, but not on you ...

                  My condolences crying
                  1. +19
                    14 June 2020 14: 51
                    do not howl

                    Howl is your part.
                    Sooner rejoice. And in vain.

                    Whatever the dupe does,
                    He does everything wrong.
                    And at the wrong time he’s glad
                    And sad out of place.
                    On the way meets a wedding
                    Here I would sing and dance,
                    He pours tears in the river
                    And he sings for the repose.
                    How they grabbed a guy
                    They began to crush his sides,
                    Beat, beat, beat,
                    They let go a little alive.
                    “You are,” the guy thinks,
                    Apparently I got into a mess. (C) "Not so", poem, S.Ya. Marshak
                    1. -39
                      14 June 2020 14: 56
                      Bad, bad ... weak, cheap ... the sponsor will not appreciate laughing
                  2. -25
                    14 June 2020 15: 02
                    Amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation

                    The United West has become impotent.
                    A groan swept across Europe:
                    The legal government of Russia
                    Amended the Basic Law.

                    And if I'm wrong - correct me!
                    But the voice of the fathers tells me:
                    We proved again - Strength in Truth!
                    And the Truth is again on our side!




                    To be president as a messiah -
                    Like "Our Father", mind you gentlemen -
                    Only a citizen of Russia is worthy!
                    With one citizenship! Once and forever!

                    Konstantin Frolov-Crimean
          2. +3
            14 June 2020 07: 38
            Anyway ...
            1. +23
              14 June 2020 15: 10
              Colleague, do you remember how the government ran after the population with requests to receive its share of the national property and the income due from it? Me neither. Instead, "gazprom", "sutosneft", "sperbank", "non-rusal" and others in the hands of a "handful", an unattainable pension, destroyed medicine and education, poverty, bribery, taxes and extortions.
              Your opinion on this subject was interesting to someone? Of course not.

              This is all that is important to understand about the true goals and objectives of the forthcoming "voiceless". Yes
              1. +9
                14 June 2020 15: 15
                Therefore, I won’t go anywhere! I do not want to take part in the farce!
                1. +4
                  14 June 2020 15: 42
                  What's the point? Trying to recoup is ridiculous. request
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                2. +11
                  14 June 2020 21: 50
                  Vouchers it was a huge scam, I still hold shares of the Perm Aviation Engine Plant, which according to the documents died almost immediately after privatization, another plant was born instead, I, like many other small share holders, was thrown by the old tradition of capitalism, because they knew that everything would pass without consequences, such a parsley,
                  So maybe a bottle of vodka was the price of this piece of paper.
                  1. -24
                    14 June 2020 22: 23
                    Quote: axay032
                    maybe a bottle of vodka was the price of this piece of paper

                    For two dozen vouchers in the suburbs - my ex bought a little Gazprom (I did not do this, not before).

                    Ask how much this costs ... yes, even now, in the fall. It will definitely surprise you laughing
                    1. +6
                      15 June 2020 05: 14
                      So you live memories of vouchers and your ex? Maybe it's time to grow up?
                      1. 0
                        15 June 2020 18: 28
                        on shares of electric networks received for 6 vouchers, my relative still receives dividends every year. A little, 26 a year - but regularly and already 000 years soon
          3. +14
            14 June 2020 07: 50
            What is it they want to stir up that popular approval is needed? It’s scary to imagine even.


            It seems to me that everything is simple, a new global depression is ahead, what awaits us ordinary people? The impoverishment and decline in living standards, poverty, lack of prospects. Well, in general, now that only ten times, as a result, people brought to the edge can take advantage of Lenin’s precepts and send the masters of life to explore the vastness of Siberia, well, this is in the most favorable case for gentlemen . It is clear that they are in a hurry to crawl into the Duma, some as presidents, senators, governors, naively believing that a piece of immunity, a bunch of laws or an advantageous position will protect them. I’m looking at these pygmies, during the coronovirus, they showed how the state is spreading and losing control, what is the vaunted vertical power, what awaits them when the global depression comes, which is not for a year or two, but the past was from 29 to 39 , a whole ten years and the planet came out of it is known as. And you know, looking at everything that they have done over the past 30 years with the country, I don’t feel sorry for them.
            1. +16
              14 June 2020 08: 04
              Ahead, Dear, war. Just a war. We need the mobilization of the country.
              1. -2
                14 June 2020 08: 22
                Ahead, Dear, war. Just a war. We need the mobilization of the country.


                The question is who is the enemy? With whom will the people fight?
                1. +16
                  14 June 2020 10: 42
                  Gentlemen, the attack on machine guns for the Motherland, for Friedman, for Abramovich, for Potanin., For Chubais, for Gref for Putin Ur !!!
                  1. -7
                    14 June 2020 11: 22
                    Quote: Gennady Bogdanovich
                    for Friedman, for Abramovich, for Potanin., for Chubais, for Gref for Putin Ur

                    I read about it
                    https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013-07/1374053480_listovka_09.jpg
                    1. DVR
                      +11
                      14 June 2020 14: 11
                      The image was not attached.
                      1. -3
                        14 June 2020 17: 04
                        Thank you, I didn’t notice.
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                  1. -31
                    14 June 2020 15: 03
                    Quote: serpent
                    Rosguard will protect us! Though...
                    "The Russian Guard raped a colleague with a bottle of vodka"

                    It’s hard for you to live ... really terrible ... although, of course, if you want to live, know how to spin Yes

                    If an adult snake,
                    To take, and, carefully holding -
                    Cram needles into it -
                    You will get a ruff.

                    You have yet to do this. Get ready. Before - study the full version of exercises with a snake, it is available on the Internet. You will be amused, me guarantee laughing
                    1. 0
                      14 June 2020 15: 42
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Amuse you

                      This is no time for fun, Monsieur Troll, when the fate of the Fatherland is decided.
                      A troll crept into the palace
                      And the king commanded:
                      "Catch the Troll Villain" -
                      And for the guard gave a password.
                      But heard a tricky troll
                      About the decree and about the password
                      And instantly turned
                      Into an evil little mole.
                      The king decided to celebrate,
                      That the troll disappeared somewhere.
                      I wanted to get dressed for the holiday ...
                      And the moth ate the clothes!
                      1. -32
                        14 June 2020 15: 46
                        Quote: serpent
                        No time for fun, Monsieur Troll, when the fate of the Fatherland is decided

                        The fact that local trolls are trying to declare me a troll is no longer news. You to sylvester, svarog, stasik ... well, and to other gop company.

                        The fate of the fatherland - has been decided for twenty years now, and so far - it has been decided quite successfully, IMHO.

                        That you do not see this is forgivable to you. Uzhiki, they say, are blind in life ... laughing
                      2. +17
                        14 June 2020 16: 23
                        Something you are today as if from the chain - you bark with many. And in a frankly boorish tone. Aggravation on the eve of the next arrival in the "native land"?
                      3. -25
                        14 June 2020 17: 04
                        Quote: serpent
                        Something you today broke loose - barking with many

                        It is not interesting. So what about

                        Quote: serpent
                        when the fate of the Fatherland is decided

                        ? This is a question, if that wink
                      4. 0
                        14 June 2020 17: 08
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        ? This is a question, if that

                        What's not clear? The constitution is changing, ergo - the fate of the Fatherland is being decided.
                      5. -24
                        14 June 2020 17: 15
                        Quote: serpent
                        The constitution is changing, ergo - the fate of the Fatherland is being decided

                        Wow! Bayus-bayus-bayus belay

                        Sarrozh, the Constitution is just a frame for a picture. The picture is drawn (quietly, slowly) in my memory for 20 years.

                        The problem is that you do not like this picture, let's be honest. And the adoption of the horse of Istucius is just another reason to recall its existence ... isn’t it? wink

                        PS: you are now a Spaniard, what a la? You have a question mark opposite belay
                      6. +22
                        14 June 2020 17: 32
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        The problem is that you do not like this picture, let's be honest.

                        How can you like her? The picture is plain. There are no “bright victories” that the GDP promised two years ago. If only the "victory" over the pensioners ... they drew for 20 years, as you say, but then suddenly it turned out that the easel was of the wrong system, and the paint had to be taken in a different shade ...
                        Here is such a picture drawn over 20 years:
                      7. -29
                        14 June 2020 17: 45
                        Quote: serpent
                        Here is such a picture drawn in 20 years

                        Yes, yes, yes ... well, you can’t surpass Sylvester here - this is the true master of demotivators Yes

                        Quote: serpent
                        There are no "bright victories" that the GDP promised two years ago

                        Quote: A & BStrugatsky, Waves extinguish the wind
                        Sees mountains and forests, Clouds and skies. But sees nothing, What's under his nose

                        Think terribly, think ... even though it’s difficult with no habit
                      8. -9
                        14 June 2020 21: 32
                        Quote: serpent
                        Here is such a picture drawn in 20 years

                        This is what the real barge haulers looked like

                        And, by the way, by the time Repin had painted his daub, the burlatsky work had almost disappeared.
                      9. +5
                        16 June 2020 06: 55
                        Painfully clean barge hikers in the photo. I’m in the forest when I was working as a teenager, I remember very well that you squeeze your things out in the heat, and at the end of the working day you’ll see a gray face from dust and dirt with tar. And here in the heat all day and no one's bast shoes are not killed, like clothes.
                      10. +1
                        16 June 2020 19: 05
                        Quote: ruivit1988
                        here in the heat all day

                        And why do you think the photo was taken at the end of the day?
                        The work was really hard, this is a fact, and it would hardly have been the hoolers before photographing when they worked all day, because then it was not a quick process to take a photo - until they prepare the camera, until then, until now, not just now - just done. Most likely they are just starting work.
                        But it’s not even about this, but that the haulers are strong, healthy men, and not the scumbags that he painted, I do not argue that he is a talented, but not very smart artist.
                      11. +5
                        14 June 2020 19: 36
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        you now have a Spaniard, what a la? You have a question mark opposite

                        This was a kind of reflection of your punctuation:
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        ? This is a question, if that
                      12. +4
                        15 June 2020 13: 08
                        The constitution is just a frame for a picture.
                        Actually - this is the author of the picture ..

                        you do not like this picture, let's be honest
                        I don’t like it .. So it’s logical that they want to drive this artist into the neck
                      13. +3
                        15 June 2020 22: 36
                        Under such articles, and they began to appear on VO with enviable regularity, there is always going to be an infantile, always aching shushara, generously spiced with trolls from the adjacent 404th, which are easy to distinguish by a peculiar vocabulary and an unhealthy desire to distort words.
                        Fighting them like windmills is a noble occupation, but completely meaningless!
                        Yes, and I noticed such a paradox: despite the collected "minuses", the rating is growing at an enviable speed, which inspires hope!
                        Good luck, colleague! laughing good
                      14. -1
                        16 June 2020 05: 53
                        also noticed more articles and comments glorifying the mask are collecting pluses, the complete feeling that a raguli and a liberd crept into the VO, an information war in action
                      15. +4
                        14 June 2020 17: 14
                        Quote: serpent
                        Something you are today as if from the chain - you bark with many. And in a frankly boorish tone. Aggravation on the eve of the next arrival in the "native land"?

                        Because it understands the outcome is inevitable)
                      16. -23
                        14 June 2020 17: 22
                        Quote: Civil
                        Quote: serpent
                        Something you are today as if from the chain - you bark with many. And in a frankly boorish tone. Aggravation on the eve of the next arrival in the "native land"?

                        Because it understands the outcome is inevitable)

                        More from now on, please ... non-military wink
                3. +12
                  14 June 2020 14: 02
                  The question is who is the enemy? With whom will the people fight?


              2. +25
                14 June 2020 10: 43
                Quote: Putnik119
                Ahead, Dear, war. Just a war.

                with whom?
                Quote: Putnik119
                We need the mobilization of the country.

                for what? Who gathered to mobilize and around whom? - Putin, Abramovich, Sechin, etc.?
                1. +4
                  15 June 2020 18: 37
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Quote: Putnik119
                  We need the mobilization of the country.

                  for what? Who gathered to mobilize and around whom? - Putin, Abramovich, Sechin, etc.?
                  - I modestly remind you - that last time (at 1918 !!!) exactly around the then oligarchs and politicians White movement and formed .....
                  You exclude 100% White movement now ??? !!!
                  Oh well.....
              3. +6
                14 June 2020 11: 27
                Quote: Putnik119
                Ahead, Dear, war. Simple war.

                Everything is so simple with leavened patriots ... Who, with whom, for what, why? Yes FIG knows. Just war and war. The propagandists said something like that on a zomboyaschik, but the "real patriot" doesn't need anything more.
                1. -3
                  15 June 2020 22: 38
                  Judging by your knowledge, you can’t get out of a zombie hunter! laughing
            2. +5
              14 June 2020 15: 16
              God forbid you to see the Russian riot ...
              So meaningless and merciless ....
          4. +12
            14 June 2020 07: 52
            Voting is useless (and too late).
            The amendments are de facto accepted! This is directly indicated by Pamfilova.
            Crown phrase: "The opinion of the people, not provided for by the current Constitution (chuckle)."
            1. kig
              -10
              14 June 2020 09: 57
              Quote: Pike
              The amendments are de facto accepted!


              And really:

              Chapter 9. Constitutional amendments and revisions of the Constitution

              Article 134

              Proposals for amendments and revision of the provisions of the Constitution of the Russian Federation may be made by the President of the Russian Federation, the Council of the Federation, the State Duma, the Government of the Russian Federation, legislative (representative) bodies of the subjects of the Russian Federation, and a group of at least one-fifth of the members of the Council of the Federation or deputies of the State Duma.

              Article 135

              1. The provisions of the chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation cannot be revised by the Federal Assembly.
              2. If the proposal to revise the provisions of chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation will be supported by three-fifths of the total number of members of the Federation Council and State Duma deputies, the Constitutional Assembly is convened in accordance with federal constitutional law.
              3. The Constitutional Assembly either confirms the immutability of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, or develops a draft new Constitution of the Russian Federation, which is adopted by the Constitutional Assembly by two-thirds of the votes of the total number of its members or is put to the popular vote. When conducting a popular vote, the Constitution of the Russian Federation is considered adopted if more than half of the voters who participated in the vote voted for it, provided that more than half of the voters participated in it.

              Article 136

              Amendments to chapters 3 to 8 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation are adopted in the manner prescribed for the adoption of the federal constitutional law, and come into force after their approval by the legislative authorities of at least two-thirds of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation.
              Decision of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation on the interpretation of Article 136

              Article 137

              1. Amendments to Article 65 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, determining the composition of the Russian Federation, are made on the basis of the federal constitutional law on the admission to the Russian Federation and the formation of a new constituent entity of the Russian Federation, on the change in the constitutional and legal status of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation.
              2. In the event of a change in the name of a republic, territory, region, city of federal significance, autonomous region, autonomous region, the new name of the subject of the Russian Federation shall be included in article 65 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
              Decision of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation on the interpretation of part 2 of article 137


              All amendments relate to Articles 67 to 133, that is, to those chapters referred to in Article 136.
            2. -12
              14 June 2020 10: 18
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE0BQ9s790U
              Like this
          5. +23
            14 June 2020 08: 32
            And here the brain resolutely says “Stand! Think!" How is it that everything is against the liberals, for Putin, and he is a liberal ...

            The cognitive dissonance.

            Those who are in a hurry to call everyone (blame) liberals and liberals, never do this in relation to the Chief Liberal (Putin). Moreover. They idolize this liberal!
            1. +29
              14 June 2020 10: 46
              Quote: Stas157
              Those who are in a hurry to call everyone (blame) liberals and liberals, never do this in relation to the Chief Liberal (Putin). Moreover. They idolize this liberal!

              they have brain cancer! The puzzle does not add up! Go to the holy?
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          7. DVR
            -34
            14 June 2020 14: 06
            We must not allow the disruption of the vote to amend the current version of the Constitution, which was written after the greatest defeat of Russia, in which it suffered damage comparable in scale to the damage to the USSR in the Second World War. These are millions of lost lives and trillions of rubles (dollars) of the country's national wealth. This edition was written at the direction and with the participation of the winners, curators of the drunken tyrant, who then ruled the state. The Constitution in that form is a symbol of the final defeat of the USSR, which did not even occur in '91, in 1993, when, under guarantees of support from the enemy, hundreds of people in the capital of our Motherland were unceremoniously killed and forgotten. This is an act of surrender of the Soviet Union and Russia.
            Do not listen to all these pseudo-patriots and pseudo-communists who are now voicing in abundance everywhere, incl. and on this site. Their avatars often have patriotic pictures, Soviet symbols (not only among them, I don’t generalize), they pretend to be such zealous admirers of the great past. They are always experts in all areas. But it's worth asking a valid question or presenting an argument - not a single meaningful answer or counter-argument. They are not in order to answer, this time is necessary, their task is to "pour into the ears" as much as possible. In each article on any topic, they have the only goal - to constantly reduce the discussion, whatever the discussion, to the fact that everything is bad in Russia, and the current government and the President personally are to blame for all the troubles. Their main goal is to induce people to take active steps to violently overthrow the government. Only what will follow next, who will take advantage of the resulting chaos, they will not explain to you. There is no need to go far for examples, we all see what is happening in our neighbors, what happened in many places before that. We ourselves experienced it, when it seemed to everyone that just about, tomorrow without any effort, life would become a fairy tale. Only the fairy tale turned out to be too scary, a horror film.
            They will never answer you in essence. Why in the late 80s they or others like them very actively began to tell us that everything in the "scoop" is bad, everything is not like people, the rotting west in chocolate, and there are hundreds of varieties of sausages in stores. And in the United States, in general, heaven is heaven on earth, and we have the whole history of the USSR - blood, terror, the Gulag, and animals rule us, as if nothing good (for which so much blood was given) was not. They instilled in us shame for their country. Many then believed, the result is known. The USA became the best friend and helped us in the construction of capitalism with a certain specificity, laws were written and participated in writing the main one too.
            Why they were silent in the hell of the 90s, they didn’t give a voice, apparently, they enjoyed what was built from their supply. Rejoiced at a new carefree life. Yes, because their master was happy with everything. And this is when the war in the country, everything collapsed, salaries were not given to millions of months, people hung themselves and fired at the fact that they could not feed their families, and most simply drank themselves.
            And suddenly, by the 2010s, when Russia began to acquire subjectivity again, to play an active geopolitical game in the most significant regions of the world, when work is not unsuccessfully carried out to restore strategic industries, major enterprises are being built, when the army and navy are being strengthened and modernized, to which the whole world is witness , when you can't get out of traffic jams on the roads (and the cars are not bad), when household appliances are bought up in a crisis, and not matches and cereals, they started shouting again. Life for them has become so unbearable that in the same way they now tell us that in the USSR it was heavenly heaven on earth, justice and prosperity. And a hundred varieties of sausages in the store no longer entice them. Everyone is in poverty, the poor, and they say that we have totalitarianism, a dictatorship, "Putin's regime" and repression. They say everywhere and write and do not hide that you really believe that a bloody regime has come ... And there are so many billionaires that you cannot count. True, the United States, where they called us before, is still very far away, there is something to strive for, but they are already calling us back. But in terms of income inequality, we are almost equal. They call back and they don't invent anything new, why? All formulas have already been written, simple and ingenious. Well, who did not admire the winged: "Take everything, and divide it."
            I'm already confused, which of these "patriots" is more correct, former or current?
            They still have a couple of cheap tricks on the assumption that a person does not go into details. For example, why vote if everyone thinks right. A person who has never gone into the work of the electoral system, suffrage, and even more so, who did not participate in this, will easily believe. But this is an unfounded statement. And they absolutely do not want to explain to anyone that it is almost impossible to falsify elections if representatives of all supposedly "deceived parties" who are included in all election commissions at all levels and in all polling stations of Russia do not participate in the falsifications. Representatives of all political forces participate in the vote count.
            Anti-Russian forces, deliberately acting on the destruction of Russia, are trying to break the vote on changing the Constitution, and they are being helped by people who, unfortunately my sincere, do not see beyond their nose and do not want to see anything. They do not need the development of the country, they need chaos and defeat.
            I urge everyone to vote. And thanks to our leader, enjoying and at the moment the support of the absolute majority of the population of Russiathat initiated the abolition of the act of surrender, and we have the opportunity to take part in this historical event, in writing new pages in the history of our country.
            And then he could usurp ... so that little seems!
            I urge everyone to vote for adoption!
            1. +20
              14 June 2020 14: 28
              Quote: DVR
              And thanks to our leader, who at the moment enjoys the support of the absolute majority of the population of Russia, that initiated the abolition of the act of surrender, and we have the opportunity to take part in this historic event, in writing new pages in the history of our country.

              1) Source (rusconstitution.ru): The draft Constitution of the Russian Federation, known as the “Alekseev-Sobchak project” was created spring xnumx year by decision of the political council of the Russian Movement of Democratic Reforms (RDR).
              Project prepared famous lawyers: Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, former Chairman of the Committee on Constitutional Oversight of the USSR Sergey Alekseev (1924-2013) and the mayor of St. Petersburg, former People's Deputy of the USSR Doctor of Law Anatoly Alexandrovich Sobchak
              2) Source (Wikipedia) The work of Vladimir Putin in the authorities of Leningrad and St. Petersburg:
              1990-1991 - Advisor to the Chairman of the Leningrad City Council A. A. Sobchak.
              1991-1992 - Chairman of the Committee on External Relations of the Mayor's Office of Leningrad (St. Petersburg).
              1992-1994 - Deputy Mayor of St. Petersburg, Chairman of the Committee on External Relations of the City Hall of St. Petersburg.
              3) It is interesting, and the lawyer by training is V.V. Putin, as the closest associate and assistant to A. Sobchak helped your boss write as you put it
              act of surrender
              ? Or, as usual, with nothing and just passed by? lol
              1. DVR
                -23
                14 June 2020 14: 37
                Do you want the presence of Western curators (and personnel agents of special services), who then had a decisive influence on our elites and on the course of political processes in the country, be reflected in official sources?
                Well, you are an intelligent person, you understand everything perfectly)
                1. +10
                  14 June 2020 14: 55
                  Quote: DVR
                  Do you want the presence of Western curators (and personnel agents of special services), who then had a decisive influence on our elites and on the course of political processes in the country, be reflected in official sources?
                  Well, you are an intelligent person, you understand everything perfectly)

                  I have no doubt about the presence of Western curators or the influence of the West on the decisions of Sobchak and Yeltsin (it is not for nothing that the EBN, after signing the Bialowieza agreements, rushed to first call Clinton). As well as I have no doubt that a person who was on special trust from the above gentlemen, namely Sobchak and Yeltsin, cannot be not involved in the actions of his chefs and not be smeared with connections with the alleged curators of his chefs. Otherwise, this person would not be allowed to reach political heights under his bosses (Sobchak and EBN). I’m talking about GDP now. In turn, you, as an intelligent person, should understand that the deputy, the closest assistant, a confidant, an heir, etc. etc. in one person, namely the GDP, it simply cannot be any antagonist of its two outstanding ones in the collapse of the country. But the successor of their business and the heir, in the political and economic spheres, is very likely. So what good, you expect from the closest assistant Sobchak and EBN. hi
                  1. DVR
                    -7
                    14 June 2020 14: 58
                    If he is a follower, then comment on the rest of my comment. That which does not fit with the "continuation".
                    1. +10
                      14 June 2020 15: 37
                      Quote: DVR
                      If he is a follower, then comment on the rest of my comment. That which does not fit with the "continuation".

                      Commenting: Partners want more, and the successors themselves are beginning to miss, the birth of the boyars then multiply and multiply.
                      Unlike the common people, which are slowly becoming extinct and dying.
                      1. DVR
                        -9
                        14 June 2020 17: 44
                        Partners want more, and the successors themselves are beginning to miss, the birth of the boyars then multiply and multiply.

                        I wrote about this yesterday on another thread, "Russia is changing its approach to nuclear deterrence." You can read my answer there. There I answered "illi (Alexey)", then to others.
                  2. +4
                    14 June 2020 16: 18
                    Quote: Leshy1975
                    not without reason EBN, after signing the Bialowieza agreements, rushed to first call Clinton

                    Bush was then.
                    1. +3
                      14 June 2020 19: 48
                      Quote: Motorist
                      Quote: Leshy1975
                      not without reason EBN, after signing the Bialowieza agreements, rushed to first call Clinton

                      Bush was then.

                      Yes you are right. I called Bush, I was wrong with Clinton. hi
              2. +6
                14 June 2020 15: 36
                And the first chapter was written in the USA by USAID. This is indicated on their official website. All other chapters and articles of the constitution cannot contradict it. The rest is completed by our traitors, but their word is already in the background.
                1. +5
                  14 June 2020 15: 40
                  Quote: Herman 4223
                  And the first chapter was written in the USA by USAID. This is indicated on their official website. All other chapters and articles of the constitution cannot contradict it. The rest is completed by our traitors, but their word is already in the background.

                  Probably. hi
                  1. +2
                    14 June 2020 16: 02
                    Yes, this is a fact that is not hidden. At least for now, there are also a couple of codes they have indicated, except for the constitution.
            2. +3
              14 June 2020 14: 52
              Quote: DVR
              Do not listen to all these pseudo-patriots and pseudo-communists who are now voting everywhere in abundance, including and on this site.

            3. +15
              14 June 2020 14: 53
              Quote: DVR
              I urge everyone to vote for adoption!

              And how will this ("revised") constitution be better than the one that is in effect ?! Is that specific for me? Why do I need "eternal" Senator Matvienko? And if (as Skomorokhov quite rightly noted) the law on "multi-citizen" individuals has not worked for so many years, then how will it work in the new constitution? Please answer (I'm not a communist feel ).
              1. DVR
                -12
                14 June 2020 16: 49
                I am not a communist

                I have nothing against the Communists, but in the present I have always sympathized, my dad is also a party (I didn’t even throw the ticket away and didn’t join the EDRO).
                (as Skomorokhov quite rightly noted) the law on "multi-civil" individuals has not worked for so many years, then how will it work in the new constitution

                The rules regarding candidates for the presidency are being tightened significantly in terms of citizenship, deposits and accounts abroad (19-FZ).
                The rules regarding candidates for the State Duma are tightened in terms of citizenship, deposits and accounts abroad (20-FZ). With regard to candidates for the Federation Council, the same thing (229-FZ). Why Skomorokhov mentioned only 67-FZ, a question for him. It is also the basis (only the beginning) for building a more balanced political system.
                Why do I need "eternal" Senator Matvienko?

                I don’t think it is critical if some senators will have “life-long” status there.
                The issue of compliance with laws is on a slightly different plane. The meaning of this amendment is precisely to tighten the requirements for candidates for positions in the highest authorities, which reflects the general direction of the amendment law on strengthening sovereignty.
                1. +6
                  14 June 2020 18: 25
                  Quote: DVR
                  The rules regarding candidates for the presidency are being tightened significantly in terms of citizenship, deposits and accounts abroad (19-FZ).
                  The rules regarding candidates for the State Duma are tightened in terms of citizenship, deposits and accounts abroad (20-FZ). With regard to candidates for the Federation Council, the same thing (229-FZ). Why Skomorokhov mentioned only 67-FZ, a question for him. It is also the basis (only the beginning) for building a more balanced political system.

                  In my opinion, the grief and misfortune is not in Skomorokhov and the laws (although I do not like all of them), grief and misfortune is that even the adopted laws are not executed, or are only executed in the "right" direction. What's the use of a constitution that isn't enforced? About human trust ... VVP made a promise not to raise the retirement age (was that?) And how did it fulfill its promises?
                  Quote: DVR
                  I don’t think it is critical if some senators will have “life-long” status there.

                  For me personally, it is very critical that people like Matvienko can get "life-long status".
                  Quote: DVR
                  The issue of compliance with laws is on a slightly different plane.

                  For me, only one plane is interesting, this is the execution of the law, no other “plane” interests me. I don't see anything good for myself in the new version of the constitution. But I see only for people like Matvienko. Do I need it?
                  1. DVR
                    -5
                    14 June 2020 19: 12
                    What is the use of a constitution that is not enforced?

                    I have already said what I see the point of these amendments. Failure to comply with the requirements of laws, incl. and has nothing to do with the amendments. No need to mix these things. Laws are violated throughout the world. Somewhere less, somewhere more, depending on the historical stage, the country's position on the world stage, mentality and other things. I consider the amendments that are proposed to be necessary. I do not agree with the pension reform. But this, too, is not relevant to this particular issue.
                    For me personally, it is very critical that people like Matvienko can get "life-long status".

                    For me, as I wrote above, it is not critical. How many there, 7 people like. Yes, and let them sit, a certain presidential pool in the Federation Council. All the same, everyone says that the Federation Council is completely under the control of the President. Moreover, the President gives part of his powers to the Federal Assembly.
                    For me, only one plane is interesting, this is the execution of the law, no other "plane" interests me.

                    Then why discuss it all in a topic that is not directly related to this plane? Here everyone is talking about the amendments.
                    1. +6
                      14 June 2020 20: 51
                      Quote: DVR
                      All the same, everyone says that the Federation Council is completely under the control of the President.

                      That is, when Matvienko lobbied for the law on family and domestic violence with Pushkina's comrades, leading to a clear "non-prosperity" of the Russian peoples and called everyone who was against this law trolls, and Narusova helped her Sobchak daughter in the "crab business", they all do you think they are acting with the approval of the GDP? Well, this is judging by your comment. request And it is normal for you that such individuals will "lead for life" the country ?! No, I don't like things like that. We are different with people like you. And our values ​​are different. wink
                      1. DVR
                        -7
                        14 June 2020 21: 30
                        That is, when Matvienko lobbied for the law on family and domestic violence with Pushkina's comrades, leading to a clear "non-prosperity" of the Russian peoples and called everyone who was against this law trolls, and Narusova helped her Sobchak daughter in the "crab business", they all do you think they are acting with the approval of the GDP? Well, this is judging by your comment.

                        You misunderstood me at all. The phrase in my answer: "Anyway, everyone says that the Federation Council is completely controlled by the President." refers to my opponents mainly. I even wanted to write it stronger first. I do not think so.
                      2. +2
                        14 June 2020 21: 33
                        Quote: DVR
                        I do not think so.

                        The trouble and sorrow is that they do not care what we think Unfortunately... request For it will concern them all in due time. hi
                  2. DVR
                    -3
                    14 June 2020 21: 23
                    Sorry, Daniel von Messer, misled you with his answer (unintentionally).
                    the rules for candidates for the presidency are being tightened substantially in terms of citizenship, deposits and accounts abroad (19-FZ).
                    The rules regarding candidates for the State Duma are tightened in terms of citizenship, deposits and accounts abroad (20-FZ). With regard to candidates for the Federation Council, the same thing (229-FZ).

                    This statement is true only for the President. I decided to check the legislation (79-ФЗ, 3-ФЗ). I do not like to mislead people. Restrictions for senators and deputies migrated to the law on amendments from these Federal Laws.
                    In any case, I do not see anything seditious in fixing these provisions in the Constitution. We are still talking about the main governing bodies of the state.
                    And the main point, I think, is still not in this particular amendment.
                    1. +2
                      14 June 2020 21: 28
                      Quote: DVR
                      In any case, I do not see anything seditious in fixing these provisions in the Constitution

                      Yes, I’m not talking about it, I’m about fixing it - don’t fix it, the laws do not work. And they work for people like Narusova and Matvienko. Do I need this ?! Tired of repeating ... feel
                      1. DVR
                        -7
                        14 June 2020 21: 44
                        Yes, I’m not talking about it, I’m about fixing it - don’t fix it, the laws do not work.

                        And I told you that this is a matter not related to amendments. You are like those guys about whom I spoke in the very first comment: "In every article on any topic, they have the only goal - to constantly reduce the discussion, whatever the discussion is, to the fact that absolutely everything is bad in Russia, and in all troubles are to blame for the current government and the President personally. " I am not saying that you are, I don’t want to think badly of you. And that the laws are not respected, so I wrote in the same place that we have built "criminal capitalism" in the worst form. Without the initial accumulation of capital, which in itself is absurd. It could have been done differently, but our friends wouldn't let us. This is a very stable system, built in the 90s, and we will be cleaning it up for many years to come. Unless a miracle happens at the top. Nevertheless, work in this direction is being carried out, albeit not so quickly. They could have covered up, for example, the case with Zakharchenko. They began to take high-ranking regional leaders for the same more often. But this is all a separate big conversation, not related to the topic under discussion.
                      2. +4
                        14 June 2020 22: 02
                        Quote: DVR
                        You are like those guys that I spoke about in the very first comment: "In each article on any topic, they have the only goal - to constantly reduce the discussion, whatever the discussion is, to the fact that absolutely everything is bad in Russia, and the current government and the President personally are to blame for all the troubles. "

                        Before you write such a game about me, take the trouble to study my comments on the site. And according to the subject, the retinue makes the king. And to say that the boyars are bad, and the king is good, he, they say, does not know that the boyars are bad, this is a bad man. feel
                      3. DVR
                        -1
                        14 June 2020 22: 46
                        Before you write such a game about me, take the trouble to study my comments on the site.

                        I said that "I do not claim that you are, I do not want to think bad of you."
                        And according to the subject, the retinue makes the king. And to say that the boyars are bad, and the king is good, he, they say, does not know that the boyars are bad, this is a bad man.

                        At the expense of the subject, we can talk, but not within the framework of this discussion. Too voluminous topic. Yes, and I'm not here for days, like many. I have a job, business. In quarantine I decided to talk with the members of the forum, there was nothing to do.
                      4. 0
                        14 June 2020 22: 51
                        Quote: DVR
                        I said that "I do not claim that you are, I do not want to think bad of you."

                        Yes, opinion is important to me some of my friends only not all are alive ... request
                      5. -9
                        14 June 2020 23: 02
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        say that the boyars are bad, and the king is good, he, they say, does not know that the boyars are bad, this is bad

                        Tank, welcome hi

                        One has only to take into account that the "elita" is still extremely heterogeneous, and everything becomes much clearer ... we need details - in a personal, here it is a tough OFF request
                      6. +2
                        14 June 2020 23: 05
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Tank, welcome

                        Strongly welcome! hi
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        here it is hard off

                        Yes, you’re right ... feel
            4. +15
              14 June 2020 15: 49
              And thanks to our leader, who at the moment is enjoying the support of the absolute majority of the population of Russia


              Well, if so why are you campaigning for a constitution, sleep peacefully.

              And the main thing is so far away, since starting up about the USSR, I began to play, according to our feelings, and most importantly to connect those who now rule us, they say they are the same as when the USSR was for the people, why don’t you remember who destroyed it, but absolutely for whom are you campaigning for us to go and vote at the end of your monologue, have they disappeared somewhere or has Putin already sent Chubais by stage to cut down the forest? I have not heard. There is no difference between EBN and Putin, at one they plundered under liberal slogans, now under patriotic, and the essence of the system is to make profit from the bowels of the earth, enterprises and people. You know, you can at least get agitated before losing your pulse, but the adoption or non-adoption of the constitution, Mr. "not comrade" the president will be nullified or not, doesn’t this cancel the contradictions between this government and the people and try to cover them up with beautiful words about rallying the oppressed with their oppressors is like trying to scoop out a spoon sea.

              Well, who did not admire the winged: "Take everything, and divide it."


              Upset you “Take and Share” is about the current system. Tell me, can Potanin be able to profit from Norilsk Nickel if tomorrow all the workers in this enterprise stop working? Himself stand up for the machine? So who makes the workers profit by their labor or Mr. Potanin, and is Potanin's labor not confined to the appropriation of the labor of the workers of the Norilsk Nickel, eh? So why do we need Potanin and people like him.
              1. DVR
                -8
                14 June 2020 18: 07
                And the main thing is so far away, since starting up about the USSR, I began to play, according to our feelings, and most importantly to connect those who now rule us, they say they are the same as when the USSR was for the people, why don’t you remember who destroyed it, but absolutely for whom are you campaigning for us to go and vote at the end of your monologue, have they disappeared somewhere, or has Putin already sent Chubais by stage to clear the forest?

                You did not carefully read my comment or through a line. Chubais enjoys the privileges given to him by those who gave them EBN when he shot the Supreme Council.
                There is no difference between EBN and Putin, at one they plundered under liberal slogans, now under patriotic, and the essence of the system is to make profit from the bowels of the earth, enterprises and people.

                You mean there is no difference between today and the 90s. I summarized it above. I read it exactly through a line or in fragments. This can be stated either by a clinical "stupid person", or by a blind person, or by a person performing a certain kind of task. The difference is enormous.
                this does not negate the contradictions between this power and the people and try to cover them up with beautiful words about the rallying of the oppressed with their oppressors is like trying to scoop the sea with a spoon

                These contradictions are fundamental features of capitalism. Yes, you're straight Captain .., America discovered. But haven't we been building it since the 90s. Only, as I said above, it was built at the suggestion of the United States "with a certain specificity" - criminal capitalism in its worst form.
                Upset you “Take and Share” is about the current system. Tell me, can Potanin be able to profit from Norilsk Nickel if tomorrow all the workers in this enterprise stop working? Himself stand up for the machine? So who makes the workers profit by their labor or Mr. Potanin, and is Potanin's labor not confined to the appropriation of the labor of the workers of the Norilsk Nickel, eh? So why do we need Potanin and people like him.

                Why are you telling me again about the common truths of the capitalist system?
                Where were you all in the 90s that now you have become such zealous fighters for the rights of workers? Well, tell me what you offer, specifically. Tell me your plan in detail.
                1. +8
                  14 June 2020 20: 12
                  And it makes sense to me to set out plans to prove to you, bring at least the scientific works of Plato to you, if you believe that the signing of some pieces of paper will change the lives of millions of people, well, what can I say. To offer some kind of country development program? To whom? Neither you nor I, and indeed the whole people, influence laws and are completely detached from the levers of governing the country. All recipes for the development of the country have long been known, you can read Delyagin, Glazyev, Khazin by economics, the problem is different - this government does not pose such a task, in principle, as the development of the country. There is no point in breaking the regime here, you don’t worry, he copes with it very well, ordinary people can only unite in councils, so that later there will be someone to lift the country from ruins.
                  1. DVR
                    -6
                    14 June 2020 20: 37
                    You are on "you", then on "you".
                    if you believe that signing some pieces of paper will change the lives of millions of people

                    I don’t believe, I know that it is necessary to put in order the legislative base, which begins with the basic law.
                    To offer some kind of country development program? To whom? Neither you nor I, and indeed the whole people, influence laws and are completely detached from the levers of governing the country.

                    You are absolutely right. The only option to change is to climb the barricades. But you yourself understand and say that:
                    There’s no point in breaking the regime, don’t worry,

                    It makes no sense, and is fraught with the loss of everything. It is possible to destroy, but only no one will give to build. I can’t worry, I see many who want to destroy, I realize the scale of all this activity (including the network). There would be no external pressure, but please, I myself could have been in the forefront. And the fact that it is, and is very great - is a fact, although here they sometimes argue with this.
                    simple people can only unite in councils, so that later there will be someone to lift the country from ruins.

                    This is a good initiative, I support. Suddenly and truly ruins ...
            5. 0
              17 June 2020 12: 41
              All right! Military Review needs to change its name simply to Review, there are no military here, I will never believe that these whiners are our Russian military. A bunch of NGO workers on a salary, and the worst thing is that there are Russian citizens who free and excitedly slop our Motherland, sincerely hating Russia and the Russian multinational people and wish us death, and they only dream that the American owner would allow the boot to kiss.
            6. 0
              17 June 2020 14: 12
              So many words and no one appreciated)))
          8. 0
            17 June 2020 07: 22
            Yes, I don't think that mixing with amendments is only for zeroing, here, for example, the word free medical support is removed from the constitution and the same story with education becomes available (well, who has money), because under all the foam of the amendments, the essence of the state is not quite noticeable, such, in the person of the president, throws off responsibilities in relation to the population of the country and, as it were, imposes on the Duma (athletes, artists, clowns and other "talents") who are constantly re-elected, in general, temporary workers who are not responsible for anything, the state, represented by the president , now cannot legally influence them, in general, the next step towards a destructive mess, I think so. And the elections - ha, so some comrades from the government openly say that the elections do not solve anything and everything has already been decided and the amendments have long been implemented. In general, on what grounds are the amendments made? How are they determined? Issue a new constitution, hold a referendum and it will be legal, but since it smells of gypsy and forgery, in general, all this bundle of voting is muddy, not article by article, but all in bulk.
          9. 0
            18 June 2020 21: 20
            Are you sure? He will be 69. But for example, I believe that this amendment violates my rights, why I can not vote more than 2 times for the president and I am happy. This may apply not only to Putin.
        2. -12
          14 June 2020 08: 18
          Well, that's nice .. And they say that TV has washed our brains. Remained on the Russian intellectuals! Although, the poem is full of contradictions .. But we do not ,, Literary newspaper ,, ...)
        3. +4
          14 June 2020 08: 50
          The closer the vote (any that of the president or deputies) the greater the howl on the Internet. Like that Baba Yaga who is always against.
          1. +2
            14 June 2020 10: 28
            Moreover, the howl is the same, word for word.
            This alone makes us at least think, or maybe they are lying to us, these fighters for a brighter future?
            Do the authors of this howl think that the people are so stupid and behave?
        4. +14
          14 June 2020 15: 23
          Cool batch went ... comments in verse.


          Mediocre few families
          By wealth and nods
          They own my homeland.
          Standing above all laws
          Wall stand around the king
          Like pugs greedy and angry
          And innocently saying:
          “After all, only we are Russia!”

          1855, A. Maikov
      2. +18
        14 June 2020 06: 56
        Quote: Dead Day
        Nightingales sing near Kursk,

        In Moscow, backsides, as before, are licking ...

        I love my homeland,

        But I hate the state!

        Everywhere thieves, wherever you spit,

        And each of them flies "to the kingdom" ...

        I love my homeland

        But I hate the state!

        I remember Zhenya Yevtushenko sang other songs under the communists.
        About a mighty party, about all-Union construction projects.
        Licked asses in Moscow, did not frown ...
        I received prizes from the party leadership.
        And now, on you - at the end of your life the mouthpiece of free thought has become.
        Breathed the air of freedom ...
        1. +13
          14 June 2020 08: 16
          Quote: Paul Siebert
          I remember Zhenya Yevtushenko sang other songs under the communists.
          About a mighty party, about all-Union construction projects.
          Licked asses in Moscow, did not frown ...
          I received prizes from the party leadership.
          And now, on you - at the end of your life the mouthpiece of free thought has become.
          Breathed the air of freedom ...

          Yes, they are all VICTIMS of the regime. Zhirinovsky, Pozner, Svanidze, Raikin, Makarevich ... up to and including Gorbachev.
        2. +6
          14 June 2020 08: 17
          Quote: Paul Siebert
          I remember Zhenya Yevtushenko sang other songs under the communists.

          We are watching "Today in the World", We are watching together, for a long time, Because there, on the air, Journalists are on the selection:

          Scrabble Seiful-Mulyukov, Tsvetov - a man with his head, Zorin with his science And, of course, Borovik!

          Who will tell us about Ghana, About Bermuda and AIDS. Who, tell us, from the screen tells the truth-womb?

          The same all Seyful-Muliukov, Tsvetov - a man with his head, Zorin with his science And, of course, Borovik!

          Who always said that the West lags behind Russia. And there is such a smell there, If the West is rotting all over?

          The same all Seyful-Muliukov, Tsvetov - a man with his head, Zorin with his science And, of course, Borovik!

          Who claims today, As if the West is not decaying, That, they say, the West is flourishing, But what about us?

          The same all Seyful-Muliukov, Tsvetov - a man with his head, Zorin with his science And, of course, Borovik!

          Who said in other years: "Thatcher is Yaga's grandmother!" And from the Statue of Liberty, the Image created an enemy?

          The same all Seyful-Muliukov, Tsvetov - a man with his head, Zorin with his science And, of course, Borovik!

          Who claims today - It was all wrong, Thatcher does not threaten us, Yes, and Bush is not an enemy at all?

          The same all Seyful-Muliukov, Tsvetov - a man with his head, Zorin with his science And, of course, Borovik!

          Who lives today only By what the people live, And for this restructuring On the screen the throat breaks?

          The same all Seyful-Muliukov, Tsvetov - a man with his head, Zorin with his science And, of course, Borovik!

          If perestroika is suddenly canceled by someone, Who will bend the Line just as smartly?

          The same all Seyful-Muliukov, Tsvetov - a man with his head, Zorin with his science And, of course, Borovik!
          (I recalled the youth that came to perestroika)
          1. +5
            14 June 2020 11: 23
            In fairness, the second part does not apply to Farid Seyful-Mulukov.
        3. +1
          14 June 2020 14: 34
          Paul Siebert Today, 06:56 AM
          I remember Zhenya Yevtushenko sang other songs under the communists.

          And with the "dermokrat", in the "holy 90s", I began to "sing" such.
          Here is the full text by A. Rosenbaum.

          [media = https: //youtu.be/rGPK97JFGN0]

          Shl. And what do you think became “wrong” with Yevtushenko?
          ZY.ZY. something video insertion is buggy
      3. -2
        14 June 2020 09: 14
        Quote: Dead Day
        I love my homeland,

        But I hate the state!

        You can go to the state that you adore.
        True, there you can love ....
      4. -21
        14 June 2020 13: 33
        Quote: Dead Day
        I love my homeland

        But I hate the state!

        This is a marker of local (and not only) liberds ...

        What kind of "old" are you, damn ... you are not a little old for me, anyway younger)))
    2. +6
      14 June 2020 07: 03
      Quote: Snail N9
      What happened to the proposed amendment to ban foreign accounts and nedvig for state officials and deputies?
      The trick is that they continue to advertise this amendment on the radio. lol
      Quote: Snail N9
      By adopting this amendment, the citizens of Russia will be deprived of any opportunity to challenge the decisions of the authorities in an international court, which is based on the unconditional priority of universal human values ​​"and monitors the non-violation of human rights. That is, the Russian authorities can now adopt any, even the most inhuman laws, without looking back at the international the opinion and opinion of their people, who were deprived of the last opportunity to defend their rights in an international court.
      A kind of neo-feudalism. Have come.
      1. +13
        14 June 2020 07: 24
        The next cunning plan of the grandmaster: without changing the Constitution - to change it.

        Hence the double profit. Because the Constitution of the type "has not changed", the national referendum provided for by law is not to be held. And because the Constitution of the type "changed", he considered that this gives the right to zero. And for the sake of fidelity, he also threw a correction about it.

        Everything in the spirit of a thimble - I want to confuse the twist of the twist.
      2. -15
        14 June 2020 07: 27
        But I’m interested. As some meters from art to death, they measure in this very art and nothing. There are soros and other merkels with Zhirinovsky’s, unchanged, and ... and they have brains and nothing too, normal.
        It's a shame when they seem to be smart people, but they are led by something that they throw to the discussion from the side. At the same time refer to * world experience *. What is even more stupid.
        There is a queen in England who is still the head of the church and the head of the army and all special services and the head of their parliament barely moving from old age and this is * a model of democracy *. And she is not the only one in the world.
        And the actual owners of the United States ?. What about their tenure?
        1. -15
          14 June 2020 08: 19
          Quote: Vasily50
          It's a shame when they seem to be smart people, but they are led by something that they throw to the discussion from the side. At the same time refer to * world experience *. What is even more stupid.

          And how many times he was told and explained about this.
          1. +5
            14 June 2020 10: 33
            What for?
            These are political trolls, fulfill the order filled in a brain.
            What can they explain?
          2. +10
            14 June 2020 11: 33
            Yes, we are Scythians, Scythians ...
            Freedom-loving and ready to stand up for themselves!
            We do not need the advice of the rotten West, which has long been under Pindovcemi ...
            We will decide how to vote.
        2. -13
          14 June 2020 08: 21
          And what to explain to them? They have seen enough of the "box" pearl. And the fact that they have going on is quietly silent. Beyond the hillock, even the "rights of a giraffe" are respected not like ours. And Putin will circle everyone around his finger again, he will not be elected, and all this dregs so that now he does not turn into a lame duck according to "international" concepts.
          1. +2
            14 June 2020 14: 08
            The rights of a giraffe - which was killed in front of the eyes of children in one of the European zoos.
      3. +5
        14 June 2020 11: 25
        The amendment banning foreign accounts remained, so your malice is not clear.
        1. -1
          14 June 2020 11: 35
          And they don’t care ...
          The main thing is to sow confusion in the brains of our citizens, who will not get it checked
        2. +2
          14 June 2020 15: 40
          What about real estate?
          1. -4
            15 June 2020 01: 52
            There is no citizenship and no accounts - there is no real estate either, since real estate taxes must be paid locally and utility bills must be paid.
            1. +2
              15 June 2020 04: 40
              Have you already canceled cash over the hill?
    3. -11
      14 June 2020 08: 43
      Well there are right people like you who read all the corrections before the vote. Who know all the candidates in the election personally and their entire biography.
      The essence of the election is. so that people vote for the image created by the media.
      Quote: Snail N9
      Welcome to the emerging Russian "digital concentration camp"!

      It's like slogans against electricity and cars at one time.)))) It's especially funny to write about the "digital concentration camp" via a smartphone and the Internet.)))))) We are already there. Your "For" or "Against" will not change anything.)))
    4. +12
      14 June 2020 09: 29
      We understand perfectly well that the majority of those who will go to the type of "express their opinion" have not read the amendments and are not going to read them, much less delve into their essence,
      yeah, like here good
      Quote: Snail N9
      Our elections have always been very "fair". I found the violations of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee minimal and there is no reason to doubt the "veracity" of their "results":
      [Quote] [/ quote]
      1. +15
        14 June 2020 09: 48
        In the illustration, by the way, Ukraine (on the ballot boxes a characteristic emblem).
        1. -9
          14 June 2020 09: 52
          Quote: toha124
          In the illustration, by the way, Ukraine

          And some do not care.
          1. +6
            14 June 2020 10: 50
            Quote: Dart2027
            And some do not care.

            But is there a difference?
            Bashkiria, for example ..

            You can see the report about it
            https://rupres.com/russian/po-vsej-rossii-vbrasyvayut-byulleteni-video
            1. -12
              14 June 2020 11: 20
              Quote: Silvestr
              Bashkiria, for example

              Quote: Silvestr
              Throws in the last presidential election in Russia were not only in favor of the candidate from power

              Decide?
              1. 0
                14 June 2020 11: 41
                Quote: Dart2027
                Decide

                Pamfilov read for understanding laughing
                1. -1
                  14 June 2020 13: 09
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Pamfilov read

                  And in your own words?
                  1. +3
                    14 June 2020 22: 03
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    in your own words?


                    Bulletin emissions, in their own words, have a place to be
                2. 0
                  19 June 2020 13: 00
                  ..and the one who shouted from the branches * .. the big giraffe - he knows better ... *
        2. -11
          14 June 2020 10: 10
          Yes, they do not care, the main thing is to wipe.
          1. +5
            14 June 2020 10: 36
            And they actively set cons.
            Make a conclusion who is going here, and why.
            This is their weakness, too obvious order, too obvious work on a carbon copy, the crowd.
            Because the lies that they write here still need to be refuted, but the methods are obvious and so.
            1. +10
              14 June 2020 10: 42
              Cons are actively put on both sides. There are more of them, however ...
            2. +4
              14 June 2020 12: 52
              And they actively set cons.
              Appeal to the moderator. No need to tell anyone, it’s just interesting if the Thunderbolt Andrei set minuses today)? Reporting is optional. And then some are all so innocent.
          2. +5
            14 June 2020 10: 53
            Quote: vladimych
            Yes, they do not care, the main thing is to wipe.

            laughing The stuffing in the presidential elections held in Russia was not only in favor of the candidate from the authorities, said on Sunday, March 25, the chairman of the Central Election Commission Ella Pamfilova on the air of the NTV channel. In particular, in Lyubertsy "stuffing was" in favor of "another candidate," the head of the CEC said.
        3. +11
          14 June 2020 10: 15
          By the way, Ukraine (on the ballot boxes a characteristic emblem).
          All true.
          It was put in another topic by Snail N9, and here in the first comment (by the way, the article was posted at 04:52, and the snitch's comment was at 05:14, that is, he managed to read not a small text in 22 minutes and comment on it wink - an enviable capacity for work), he reproaches the "majority" for not getting into the essence, but sculpting a hunchback himself - a photo from Ukraine is passed off as a Russian one. winked
          1. +8
            14 June 2020 10: 38
            Where does he live, from there did he take it?
            Anyway, someone will be postponed.
    5. 0
      14 June 2020 10: 41
      Quote: Snail N9
      That is, the Russian authorities now can pass any, even the most inhuman laws, without looking back at international opinion and the opinion of their people, who were deprived of the last opportunity to defend their rights in an international court. Welcome to the emerging Russian "digital concentration camp"!

      not just digital - back to the iron curtain
      1. -7
        14 June 2020 14: 14
        You have long been behind the curtain - but not iron, but icteric, like a dry sponge, absorb any infolage, and then squeeze it out for viewing by others.
      2. +3
        14 June 2020 17: 45
        Quote: Silvestr
        back to the iron curtain

        Sylvester and Churchill - this is power! laughing
    6. +7
      14 June 2020 10: 46
      Quote: Snail N9
      border demarcation and settlement of territorial disputes (hi Kurilam). But


      I see you have sentenced the Kuril Islands? Not too early?
      1. +2
        14 June 2020 11: 33
        Oh, it would be nice to come back. Stock up on spare parts, for the first time, to screwdriver assembly, return the loot, dragged away in the beaks and close the gate with a clang. So that it doesn’t flow there. And clean the stables, set the brains.
    7. -2
      14 June 2020 13: 05
      Quote: Snail N9
      Himself to read, to delve into, it’s necessary to strain your brains, to understand what this or that will lead to.

      you, apparently, read and strained your brains, figured out !!!!
      Quote: Snail N9
      The amendment about "eternal" senators is also of no interest to anyone - just think, eternal senators, which is unprecedented.

      and now they are not eternal? ... by the way, in the USA the senator’s chair often passes from father to son.
      Quote: Snail N9
      which, as it were, cannot be given to the adversary, except ... as in the demarcation of the border and the settlement of territorial disputes (hello Kurilam)

      Ie essentially it does not change anything? - then why are you so excited?
      Quote: Snail N9
      and so on, nothing meaningful in reality,

      family, people, god, victory does this mean nothing? - Oh well......
      Quote: Snail N9
      minimum payment (about which it is not said that it should be indexed by the amount of inflation - keep it at whatever level you want just to not die right away)

      accordingly, nothing has changed, why are you so excited?
      Quote: Snail N9
      in fact, “international law” presupposes: freedom of thought and expression, personal inviolability before a court decision, the presumption of innocence, inviolability of home and property, equality of all before the law, freedom of protest and complaints, etc.

      oh, why are you so excited !!!!!! worry that the laws of the owner will not work in the territory of the Russian Federation !!!! all sorts of freedoms and the presumption of innocence, etc., we have seen in Ukraine / Syria / Libya / Iraq! court decisions in favor of Ukraine on gas disputes / and government debt, as well as court decisions in favor of yukos ..... THIS IS YOU ARE DISTURBED !!!!!!!!!
      1. 0
        15 June 2020 14: 04
        "the laws of the owner will not work on the territory of the Russian Federation !!!! all kinds of freedoms and the presumption of innocence, etc."
        Are you out of your mind?
        Does the presumption of innocence bother you?
        Ratate for the Inquisition, without trial!
    8. +7
      14 June 2020 14: 51
      I think that it’s already too late to read and think about what you read. But it’s not too late to think and make the right decision - go to the vote and say no to both the amendments and the crooks in power.
    9. -1
      14 June 2020 15: 22
      Quote: Snail N9
      in fact, “international law” presupposes: freedom of thought and expression, personal inviolability before a court decision, the presumption of innocence, inviolability of home and property, equality of all before the law, freedom of protest and complaints, etc.

      Here you are a storyteller)))
    10. 0
      14 June 2020 16: 34
      One circumstance confuses me!
      In his article of June 11 - "Is it worth spoiling the ballot" the author urges to vote "with feet"!
      And in this -
      So July 1 is a very important day in the life of the country.

      Well, how to understand it?
    11. +6
      15 June 2020 20: 55
      wink I read it. Your comments ..... Zombie box of Russia nervously smokes on the sidelines !!!!! wink
      I want to dwell on only a few aspects. Do you speak international law? This curiosity must first be learned from Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria .......
      International court say? This is where HAILI LIKELI is an indisputable proof? Is this where prosecutors voice testimonies of classified witnesses whom no one has ever seen, but for the court their testimonies are the main ones and a court decision can be made on their basis?
      It seems to me that if, as a result of the adoption of the amendments, we lose these "privileges", then we will only gain by gaining peace of mind and save our nerves. What is generally good for Russia doing abroad?
      Does territory require back? Rewriting history? If this were not all, then you can think about it. But this is all there! Lies and lies are flowing from the pages and screens of foreign media. They lie everywhere! On every corner! They constantly accuse Russia of anything horrible without evidence and allegedly impose sanctions as punishment. In every possible way they try to make life worse for Russians! Ukraine believed the west ........ Has it become better to live?
      It seems to me that to a greater extent against the amendments are those who, due to their foreign past, will not be able to take a place in government posts in Russia after the adoption of these same amendments .....
      I really hope that on your site everyone can express their opinion. And this will not be considered a violation.
    12. +1
      15 June 2020 22: 24
      And you can modestly ask who is this "population fooled by the Russian media"? Don't you count yourself among them? Or do you really think that only you and a handful of liberals have access to the Internet, access to alternative points of view, different from those broadcast on the central channels? Now 60-year-olds have free access to the Internet and they do not get out of their smartphones, having long scored on Russia24! Why only you "wonderful" can have a "correct" opinion, while the rest of the "people" are a bunch of zombie freaks? Maybe that's why you have 0.2% support with your nasralny, that you consider everyone who disagrees with your opinion to be cattle?
      Well, about international "law", the law is not even funny!
      Good luck in "your fight" for our minds! bully
  2. -8
    14 June 2020 05: 15
    How your whining lifted. It’s neither, it’s not that way. You remind me of Novodvorskaya. Wrestling - for the sake of anarchy!
    You are all D, Artagnans, but fools around!
    Now defending the CIA constitution ... for the sake of "protest" ...
    These morons of the late USSR ... Nothing new ...
    Who told you that when you change one face to another, you will be directly appeased with the changes? The president is the face of the country management team. He does nothing himself. Any attempts at willfulness lead to the fate of Kennedy ... In the same United States, the same people have been ruling for 200 years .., handing over power to children and grandchildren ... But no, the same "dimacracy" ...
    I see that some people here have also received "assistance in the development of democracy." So much straight monotonous whining in the morning. Don't think you're smarter than others, whiners. I will go to evil for you and vote
    1. -6
      14 June 2020 06: 13
      but who, darling, forbids you ... go and vote if you are not particularly friendly with conscience and honor ...
      I personally, my relatives and all my friends do not intend to participate in this farce ...
      everything has already been decided long ago ... this vote is necessary only to give at least some sort of LEGITIMARITY raid to the rape of the Basic Law for the sake of governing to death ...
      nafig - nafig ... I was not and will not be an accomplice in the crime against the future of my country ...
      I won’t take part in the demoniac coven ...
      1. +8
        14 June 2020 06: 28
        Enough of this cheap demagoguery to write, "champions of conscience." Zadolbali crybabies. We have the main thing - the brain, the organ that you have mapped, as unnecessary ...
        1. -9
          14 June 2020 06: 38
          Well, about the brains of the Putriots, you obviously flatter yourself ... you must be more modest, more modest ...
          By the way, your idol is an unsurpassed master of cheap demagogy ... laurels of superiority in idle talk are already held by 20 ... a professional, however ...
          1. -10
            14 June 2020 15: 17
            Quote: kepmor
            kepmor

            Nobody, nothing, and to call - nothing ... but - there - "I have the honor" ...

            Where, "buddy", "Spanish sadness" comes from? wink
        2. -10
          14 June 2020 07: 04
          Quote: Cottodraton
          We have the main thing - the brain
          And your brain is nullified, right?
          1. -7
            14 June 2020 14: 20
            Yours, apparently, back in the 91st, reset - but the computer has not yet accepted a new program.
        3. -10
          14 June 2020 07: 19
          Your brain works only in the direction of steal, and our people work towards the prosperity of the country !! And even if you have a brain, then he is oh, how PLUS would be afraid !! Which tomorrow can turn into beasts and even the brain is not like you !!! There will be no escape!
          1. +2
            14 June 2020 10: 40
            How would you not have to run yourself?
            Huh?
        4. -1
          14 June 2020 11: 51
          Quote: Cottodraton
          The main thing we have is the brain, the organ that you have formed, as unnecessary ...

          It is always funny to read comments that mention the brain or intellect, and then, in the commentary itself, the work of this brain is demonstrated ...
      2. +4
        14 June 2020 06: 54
        Protection EBNovskoy Constitution from rape! Freshly and widely written - similar to protecting a prostitute from a clientele.
        1. +3
          14 June 2020 15: 12
          Quote: LeonidL
          Protection EBNovskoy Constitution from rape!

          You're wrong.
          This is an attempt to dress up a "dirty slut" in a "new outfit".
          wassat / sarcasm /
      3. +5
        14 June 2020 07: 31
        Quote: kepmor
        I, my relatives and all my friends do not intend to participate in this farce ...

        Well, then your ballots, as the initiators need, will vote. Is it not possible to go to the polling station and vote against this farce, thereby showing your attitude to the current government?
        1. +9
          14 June 2020 10: 41
          This is the most correct decision.
          Don't like the power? Vote against.
          Do you like power? Vote for.
          1. -4
            14 June 2020 14: 24
            These guys have a different solution - "I am against the amendments, but I will not vote"
        2. -5
          14 June 2020 11: 55
          Quote: SoboL
          Is it not possible to go to the polling station and vote against this farce, thereby showing your attitude to the current government?

          By voting, you confirm the legitimacy of this farce. Which, in fact, is necessary for the organizers.
        3. +3
          14 June 2020 12: 56
          eat the most
          support the amendments. It’s important not how they vote. it matters how much comes.
          1. -8
            14 June 2020 14: 27
            Yours will hardly be there - most of the time they will sit at home, they will scratch their backs with a chair and knock on the keyboard while presenting an essay on the topic "Voting is rigged."
      4. -18
        14 June 2020 13: 37
        Quote: kepmor
        go and vote if you aren’t particularly friendly with conscience and honor ...

        Are you saying that you are the only one here "friendly with honor"?

        Camper, damn it ... negative
    2. -12
      14 June 2020 06: 33
      I'll go to evil and vote


      Are the buggers pushing hard?
      1. +13
        14 June 2020 07: 02
        Representatives of the LGBT community ... they prefer not to shine now ... but in a more favorable environment I assure you they will rip off three skins for an oblique look in their direction.
        1. AUL
          -10
          14 June 2020 08: 23
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          but in a more favorable environment I assure you they will tear three skins from you for an oblique look in their direction.

          Wow, how scary! What, you already had a sad experience? laughing
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      4. -13
        14 June 2020 07: 26
        Quote: Deck
        I'll go to evil and vote


        Are the buggers pushing hard?

        The other day, here, one little clip complained, supposedly four homosexuals (in his expression, representatives of the LGBT lobbyists) stuffed him with minuses on the very tonsils .. wassat I won’t call Nick, let him calmly recover. lol
        1. -8
          14 June 2020 08: 21
          Yeah ... no luck, so no luck ..)
        2. +7
          14 June 2020 10: 43
          I watch you cram too.
          Are they also?
          1. -2
            14 June 2020 12: 53
            Quote: Thunderbringer
            I watch you cram too.
            Are they also?

            You expect minusers to be called cockerels too, as some here wink ? It’s not in my rules to insult those who disagree with me that way, unless of course you confirm the opposite. On the other hand, the bourgeoisie doesn’t care what the loot is for, at least for the first time, at least from the bottom, so everyone who advocates this regime will automatically agree with the cock business (gay clubs, special shops, cafes, etc.), which under the current government, they will not ban and will not plant rear-wheel drive perverts, as was the case under Soviet power. That is, all this indecency will be promoted to the masses, because money does not smell for them. This is also indicated by the family amendment; otherwise, why is it still needed?



















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    3. 0
      14 June 2020 07: 14
      Quote: Cottodraton
      I'll go to evil and vote

      Yeah !!!!!!! We’ll amend the constitution and we’ll heal !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Especially about the electoral system of transferring power to generations in the USA I liked it. They mixed everything together. That's how we live! !!!!!!!
      1. -3
        14 June 2020 16: 57
        The Bushs have a whole dynasty, dads, grandfathers of the Clintons, McCaines have been sitting for generations in politics ... I don't know how you live.
    4. +20
      14 June 2020 07: 46
      Now defending the CIA constitution ... for the sake of "protest" ...
      ... And why in 1993 they did not vote against her ... Or just now they realized that she was the CIA-shnaya ..
      1. -4
        14 June 2020 08: 21
        Quote: parusnik
        ..And why in 1993 they didn’t vote against her ... Or just now they realized that she was the CIA-shnaya ..

        Why do you think you did not vote against? Voted against, of course. I personally definitely voted against. Just the point? Even then they considered it as necessary.
        1. +7
          14 June 2020 11: 30
          Even then they considered it as necessary.
          ... I, too, voted against, but when I came to the vote, I recognized the legitimacy of the constitution, if the majority votes for it, which happened as a result, more than 50% voted "for", for the CIA-shnuyu Constitution. The paradox is, in the CIA-shnoy Constitution, they do not cancel, but only make amendments, but in fact it remains CIA-shnoy, with a national flavor ... It turns out that you come to vote for or against, nevertheless, you confirm the legitimacy of the existing CIA-shnoy , with or without amendments ...
          1. +2
            14 June 2020 14: 35
            I agree with you.
      2. 0
        14 June 2020 12: 57
        .. And why in 1993 they did not vote against her
        You're lucky. The question is not understood, and those and these advantages are instructed.
      3. 0
        14 June 2020 17: 01
        I was 9 years old then ... these are whiners-marasmatics who "honor and conscience" need to ask about it. Then it was their time (by the way, then they also whined "about glasnost, democracy and jeans", even I remember that). Eternal crybaby
    5. -1
      14 June 2020 07: 57
      Yes, the Constitution is Amerz. So it must be completely changed. And copies of the former, burn!
      1. -5
        14 June 2020 08: 21
        Quote: 210ox
        Yes, the Constitution is Amerz. So it must be completely changed. And copies of the former, burn!

        I agree, but who will change, again the Putin bourgeois? No, it’s not good, first you need to bring the socialists into power and then we will change the Constitution already in the interests of the majority of citizens. In the meantime, it’s more correct to go about your business, not paying attention to that cockroach fuss ..
        1. +3
          14 June 2020 10: 44
          Your socialists only talk much, and in the case of ordinary thieves, but also a beggar.
          1. -3
            14 June 2020 11: 20
            Quote: Thunderbringer
            Your socialists only talk much, and in the case of ordinary thieves, but also a beggar.

            Do you like handing out labels to the right and to the left, then you enroll those who disagree with you in homosexuals, and now socialists have been appointed as thieves. Well then reprove Platoshkin, what did he steal?
            .................................................. .................................................. .........................................
            As for the talkers, the socialists are not suited to nonsense, so don’t worry. Your talker is cooler than the mountains. Yes As for poverty, I agree, only misunderstandings, if socialists are your thieves, then why are they poor? request Diseased, they didn’t want to get better alone. laughing
        2. +2
          14 June 2020 17: 05
          As a former member of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, I’ll say that there are no close and there are no socialists. Either the very old people who need more attention, or the repulsed schizizans, or cunning crooks who jump from party to party, in search of personal gain. Alas and ah
      2. +14
        14 June 2020 08: 24
        Quote: 210ox
        Yes, the Constitution is Amerz. So it must be completely changed. And copies of the former, burn!
        Baba Yaga against. For history, lay in the archives and libraries so that the EBN writhes. angry
      3. +4
        14 June 2020 11: 32
        Have you read American? In terms of text, it is more like the French Constitution. A section on federal relations recalls the Constitution of Germany, Austria, and India.
      4. -1
        14 June 2020 12: 59
        Yes, the constitution is abominable.
        So presidents were elected by it. Now that the presidents never lie down are not timothy?
    6. -10
      14 June 2020 08: 45
      Quote: Cottodraton
      How your whining lifted. It’s neither, it’s not that way. You remind me of Novodvorskaya. Wrestling - for the sake of anarchy!

      How many minuses from the electorate Martirosyan, a logical candidate to replace Pu.
    7. +1
      14 June 2020 13: 08
      Quote: Cottodraton
      Now defending the CIA constitution ... for the sake of "protest" ...

      they are couch troops from a neighboring country (this site is very popular with them)
    8. +4
      14 June 2020 14: 53
      I'll go to evil and vote
      And why go - lather the rope and into the loop, to spite me, for example.
    9. 0
      17 June 2020 12: 47
      Join
  3. -6
    14 June 2020 05: 18
    So it’s clear that all this farce is in order for the galley comb to continue the rowing with all his might, and there’s nothing to do with redistribution, so, by the way, they just ran by. I repeat my IMHO: we must go and vote against, because a boycott would only make sense if the minimum turnout threshold had not been canceled.
    1. +8
      14 June 2020 05: 35
      you and your associates just need to decide whether you want changes to the constitution or the old one suits you. Now you want to vote against. OK. and then what? and then we will just live the old way and that’s it. and nothing will change voooooobsche. ) struggle for the sake of struggle. no more. I'm here on the drum. I was not going to walk and I won’t go. but to vote against just because of a few points that you don’t like it is such a treshak .. for the sake of laughter, in my last article on this subject I wrote just one phrase — how I like to read comments in this topic. I was bombarded. question for what? for the fact that I like to read?) here and there too) minus for the sake of minuses)))
      1. +16
        14 June 2020 05: 49
        The article says in Russian in white (if you did not know this before) that most of the amendments that really deserve attention have long existed as laws. But as laws they are stupidly not executed. Why do they suddenly begin to be executed after being introduced into the Constitution? Because the Constitution is cool, and ordinary laws suck? Well, nonsense.
        As for "nothing will change if you vote against." So I assure you - nothing will change, even if you vote for. Because the arena will remain the same. And we will still be promised milk rivers with jelly banks, but in fact we will have an increase in the retirement age, new taxes and fees, and other tasteless buns. Because when revenue drops in a brothel, it is not the internal regulations that need to be changed, but new girls must be recruited. No other way.
        1. -2
          14 June 2020 05: 58
          because the constitution is the main law of the apparently country. "A large tree grows out of a small one, a nine-story tower begins to be built from a handful of land, a journey of a thousand or so begins with one step." but to compare your country with a brothel
          1. +7
            14 June 2020 06: 07
            Do you think that ordinary, simple laws should not be executed? Just what is written in the constitution? Yes, this is how we live ... Listen, and then let's cram into the Constitution all-all-all! And the civil code, and family, and administrative - finally everything! Well, for the laws to work, if nothing else. To walk - so to walk!
            1. +5
              14 June 2020 06: 14
              I do not call for a vote against. I'm just trying to understand what the old is better than the new, what if you say you want to leave it so ...
              1. -1
                14 June 2020 06: 25
                What an exuberant fantasy you have, however. Where did you read that I want to leave the old Constitution? Or trying to conjecture for me? It’s not worth it, right, it’s not going well for you. For me, what's new, what's the old constitution is one vegetable. What is called, radish horseradish is not sweeter. As Comrade Stalin said, they are both worse. If we are to change, then change not only, and not so much the Constitution, as those who are responsible for its implementation, and even better - the socio-political formation, in other words, the system. On socialism.
                1. +3
                  14 June 2020 06: 33
                  Well, what conclusion should I draw when you say that you will vote against? what are you, as it were, but still against it?))) you can’t be a little pregnant. if you do not want a new one, then the old one is satisfied. I do not observe other variations. therefore, I ask, what is good in the old that you are ready to leave her? and spend your absolute right to vote on it. if you would care you wouldn’t just go. and you want to vote against.
                  1. 0
                    14 June 2020 06: 41
                    And you do not draw conclusions, you also do not succeed. I do not see any reason to change the flea - for nothing. And I will only vote against zeroing, which I transparently hinted at in the very first comment to this article. If you really decided to draw conclusions, then at least take into account the entire branch of comments.
                    1. -1
                      14 June 2020 06: 49
                      Now it’s clear even for what you decided to spend your time) I wanted to understand this. that for the sake of one point you are ready to leave everything as before. your right. but I don’t care, I won’t go to the floor for this reason)
                      1. -1
                        14 June 2020 10: 36
                        The conversation between colleagues Far D and carstorm 11 seems close to the point. I will also express one of my assumptions why such a rush.
                        I repeat: one of many. After all, the reasons are probably a whole complex, and therefore there can be many assumptions.

                        The laws of the Russian Federation, from the point of view of representatives of big business, have gained an excessively critical mass of benefits for the poor - pensions, benefits, etc., which looks like a slide into the Soviet system and strains the rich. In addition, there are too many in the State Duma, albeit in words, albeit in many cases only declaratively, but nevertheless socially oriented political parties: the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party, the Socialist Revolutionaries - but there is not a single party that openly drowns for the interests narrow wealthy segment of the population. Even EP, in fact not being the savior of the people, now and then dresses up in white robes of the highest virtue. However, she is mainly engaged in making decisions that he needs at Putin's command. Namely - in the interests of their "friends", throwing soothing handouts to the people in the form of benefits, often simply drowning in a bureaucratic sea and therefore, in fact, often - populism.
                        All this, naturally, hinders those capitalists who are not Putin's "friends". They can only bribe United Russia, but they cannot fearlessly strengthen their economic positions within the country and expand their stratum.
                        There is also no doubt that the outlined external pressure on all our rich is increasingly accumulating their economic interests in Russia, which forces them to a much closer consolidation within the country, and this can only be done in the form of legal party representation in government bodies. Even simply because it often turns out like this: I bought a deputy, and the money wasted, because under the pressure of the political authorities lobbying works poorly, or does not work at all. It seems to us that the authorities give the oligarchs privileges by whistle, but they do not think so. They want to receive benefits as a result of the activities of their own party. They are humiliated by their dependence on the president. We believe that the authorities are feeding us from their own hands, but the oligarchs also believe that they are feeding from Putin's hands. Do not want! All oligarchs do not want - both "friends" and foes. They are tired of it. What forces both of them to unite behind Putin's back.
                        The increased pressure from the law enforcement agencies inside the country, which acts extremely selectively, not according to the law, but according to the concepts of whom the law enforcement officer sees, and Putin's “friends”, also prompts the joint political construction of the oligarchs - Putin's "friends" and enemies. - no. But where is the guarantee that the law enforcement officer will not come to the "friends"? There is no such guarantee!
                        Thus, there are three factors that objectively force the large capital of our country to form their own political party:
                        - "Soviet" redundancy of social guarantees for the population;
                        - both external, that is, from the side of another's law, and internal pressure from law enforcement officers;
                        - Weak returns on lobbying under Putin’s dictatorship.
                        Obviously, the situation in which all the oligarchs (Putin’s friends and enemies) see themselves cornered is extremely critical for them and should be resolved. Indeed, some time ago, Deripaska announced that he was going to stir up his own political party. Once the attempt was in the form of the party of Prokhorov. But she was artificial, also dressed in white clothes and was a failure, like the E-mobile.
                        Apparently, at the moment the situation has become aggravated, and, from the point of view of all oligarchs, it seems to them so favorable for entering the political world that Putin's "friends" and enemies are united and are ready to give Putin a fight. Which can overthrow Putin from the throne and lead to serious destabilization and weakening of the state. Hence follows Putin's hasty shoveling of the Constitution with the introduction into it of the social that already works - he is defending himself! But he does not protect us, he protects himself, pretending to protect us.
                      2. -13
                        14 June 2020 13: 46
                        Planet Shelezyak: no water. There is no vegetation. Populated by robots.

                        That's all you need to know about the nickname "Depressant"
                      3. +2
                        14 June 2020 18: 48
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Populated by robots.
                        That's all you need to know about the nickname "Depressant"

                        You think? And how to distinguish them from people - in too literate text? You, like, a programmer - tell me!
                        PS Wow, wrote this comment - the computer freezes; Rise of the Machines...
                      4. -11
                        14 June 2020 19: 00
                        Quote: Motorist
                        And how to distinguish them from people - in too literate text?

                        One more time:

                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Planet Shelezyak: no water. There is no vegetation ...

                        + nickname "Depressant". Everything seems clear? request

                        Life is Beautiful. It is only necessary to correctly select antidepressants (s).
                      5. +1
                        14 June 2020 19: 14
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Does everything seem to be clear?

                        Clear.
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        choose the right antidepressants

                        Diamond dust in grease. laughing
                      6. +6
                        14 June 2020 13: 31
                        "This is what I wanted to understand. For the sake of one point, you are ready to leave everything as before"
                        and you decided that then, after the "encouragement," everything will go differently? I will disappoint you a little - the laws by which we live in the old way have not been canceled, and for each of the 400 hundred amendments there will be no new law take. everything will remain as it was, except for, well, you know how
                  2. +12
                    14 June 2020 08: 01
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    You can’t be a little pregnant. if you do not want a new one, then the old one is satisfied.

                    And I will explain to you only one correction, and you already decide whether she is pregnant or not.
                    This wording DOES NOT CANCEL, for example, the possible transfer of the Kuril Islands to Japan, as Japan is a neighboring state. Damansky moved to China as a result of delimitation. According to international laws, the border was drawn along the main channel of the Amur ... Neighboring countries
                    1. Abkhazia
                    2 Azerbaijan
                    3. Belorussia
                    4. Georgia
                    5 Kazakhstan
                    6. China
                    8. Latvia
                    9 Lithuania
                    10. Mongolia
                    11 Norway
                    12 Poland
                    13. USA (maritime border)
                    14 Ukraine
                    15. Finland. And not a single legal assessment from lawyers. Morons.
                    1. +9
                      14 June 2020 08: 46
                      This wording DOES NOT CANCEL, for example, the possible transfer of the Kuril Islands to Japan, as Japan is a neighboring state. Damansky moved to China as a result of delimitation.

                      And "delimitization" is generally needed or not, is there a need for it between neighboring states?
                    2. +15
                      14 June 2020 09: 27
                      Oleg! However, you are right! Without going into the essence of your comment, I thought. "Well, here's another mourner." Took the trouble to figure it out. And what turned out to be. I quote "Delimitation of the border (lat. Delimitatio - the establishment of borders) - the definition of the general position and direction of the state border between neighboring states through negotiations". So you are right. Through negotiations - even Kaliningrad, even Vyborg. But through negotiations! Demarcation is different. This is after laying the border line on the map as a result of delimitation, fixing the border line on the ground.
                    3. +9
                      14 June 2020 09: 41
                      Quote: Mar. Tira
                      Damansky moved to China as a result of delimitation. According to international laws, the border was drawn along the main fairway of the Amur.
                      So what's your explanation? If you even have no idea what you are explaining, or are you a border guard? I'll explain to you, because unlike you, I have an idea of ​​what you are "explaining" here. The Russian Federation concludes a separate agreement on the passage of the State Border with each country with which it borders. So, the main fairway along the Amur has changed, if it passed along the Chinese side, then we would get a section of Chinese territory. But it changed in favor of China. Damansky Island was given away. In a hundred years the fairway will change again, Damansky will return, maybe with some Chinese city. So do not throw a tantrum.
                      This wording NEVER CANCEL, for example, the possible transfer of the Kuril Islands to Japan
                      Do not meddle with a clever air about the "Law on the State Border".
                      1. -5
                        14 June 2020 12: 10
                        Quote: Tagil
                        So, the main channel along the Amur River has changed, if it had passed along the Chinese side, then we would have got a piece of Chinese territory. But he has changed in favor of China. Father Damansky gave. In a hundred years, the fairway will change again, Damansky will return,

                        Why wait 100 years?
                      2. +5
                        15 June 2020 06: 16
                        How tired I am of such all-knowing urya-patriots. Right Roman, why do we need expert advice, expertise, discussion of amendments, here it is, the conclusion !!!!! You have already decided everything, discussed everything and found the "right" solution. A month and not We managed to do it in a day. You saw AMUR, were on it, you know hydrography, hydrogeology, what would you think like that? As for the Chinese town that joined us, are you a dreamer? The main fairway will change if the EARTH turns over because all the rivers in Siberia and In the Far East, and in general, all currents are directed to the NORTH. If you do not understand why, I will explain separately. The border with China runs along the Upper and Middle Amur, and in some areas its channel is divided into several branches. The border follows the channel of the deepest channel. I form almost all ducts, bends of different sizes and roundings. As a result of flooding, powerful streams in places straighten these bends. Accordingly, the main current moves in them over time. In most cases, the channels along the Russian coast develop more actively. This negative trend will continue to develop in the future. And it may so happen that the deepest channel is formed along the Russian coast, leaving China a number of islands. There are several such sites on the border Amur. The main threat arises at the mouth of the Sungari, where several large Russian islands with an area of ​​about 300 square kilometers may eventually change their affiliation. And this territory is almost equal to the area of ​​Singapore. They gave away not only the island drenched with Russian blood, they gave away a lot. In 2005, Russia, by agreement, gave China one and a half islands in the Khabarovsk Territory - the Tarabarov Island and part of the Bolshoi Ussuriysky Island went to the Celestial Empire. An agreement on these territorial concessions was signed between the leaders of Russia and China. Legally, the island of Tarabarov and half of the island of Bolshoy Ussuriysky after the demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border were transferred to China in October 2008. And they will give it back as it was more than once. There is no law in the constitution prohibiting giving land to other states to any authorities, these are the tricks of the amendment and created to bargain. I am offended for the state. Because those borders that I guarded were shamefully given by the former Shevardnadze in the Bering Sea gave 34 thousand square miles of the oil-bearing region by a sole decision, and then led it through the Politburo, as a result of the delimitation of maritime spaces in accordance with the Agreement in the Bering Sea, the United States withdrew: a part of the exclusive economic zone of the USSR with an area of ​​23,7 thousand square kilometers, actually transferred by the Soviet Union to the United States of America back in 1977; part of the exclusive economic zone of the USSR with an area of ​​7,7 thousand square kilometers; an area of ​​the continental shelf with an area of ​​46,3 thousand square kilometers in the open central part of the Bering Sea
                        Quote: Tagil
                        I'll explain to you, because unlike you, I have an idea of ​​what you are "explaining"

                        And here is more detailed, because I don’t know anything about you. Judging by the presentation, there is this same developer of the amendment. Do not explain to me the border guard of the two seas, who never had in his hands a collection of laws on the state border?
                      3. +1
                        15 June 2020 09: 35
                        How tired I am of such all-knowing urya-patriots. Rights Roman, why do we need expert advice, expertise, discussion of amendments, here it is, conclusion !!!!
                        I, too, am tired of reading all sorts of experts similar to you who may possibly walk by sea, but climb onto land and still explain what delimitization, demorcation, limology, and barrier are. Leave the Amur hydrography alone, because the border passes according to the contract, and not hydrography.
                        The line of the Russian-Chinese state border from the seventh border point to the eighth border point, which are described in Article 2 of the Agreement between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the People’s Republic of China on the Soviet-Chinese state border on its eastern part of May 16, 1991, runs as follows :
                        From the seventh border point, the state border line goes up the Prorva River (the Hailar River on the Chinese map) in the middle of the river’s water stream or in the middle of its main sleeve in the general southeast direction to the middle of the water stream or the middle of the Prorva river’s main branch (on the Chinese map - the Hailar river) with the middle of the water stream or the middle of the main arm of the Argun river (on the Chinese map - the nameless river), then goes down the river Argun (on the Chinese map - the nameless river) in the middle of the water stream or in the middle of its main sleeves in the general north-north-east direction to the border point 7/1. This border point is located in the middle of the water stream or in the middle of the main branch of the Argun river (on the Chinese map - the nameless river) with approximate rectangular coordinates: x = 5, y = 490.
                        From border point 7/1, the state border line runs in a straight line northward, crossing Bolshoi Island (on the Chinese map - Abagaytu zhouzhu island), to border point 7/2. This border point is located in the middle of the water stream or in the middle of the main arm of the Prorva River (Ergunache River on the Chinese map) with approximate rectangular coordinates: x = 5 496 160, y = 20 564 380.
                        From border point 7/2, the state border line runs downstream of the Prorva River (Ergunache River on the Chinese map) in the middle of the river’s water stream or in the middle of its main branch in a general east-northeast direction to the eighth border point.
                        The line of the Russian-Chinese state border from the tenth border point to the eleventh border point, which is described in Article 2 of the Agreement between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the People’s Republic of China on the Soviet-Chinese state border on its eastern part of May 16, 1991, runs as follows :
                        From the tenth border point, the state border line goes down the Amur River (on the Chinese map - the Heilongjiang River) in the middle of its main channel in a general east direction to the border point 10/1. This border point is located at the intersection of the middle of the main channel of the Amur River (the Heilongjiang River on the Chinese map) and the line running along the perpendicular from the shore from border point 10/2.
                        From the border point 10/1, the state border line runs along the above perpendicular southward to the border point 10/2. This border point is located on the Bolshoi Ussuriysky island (on the Chinese map - Heisyatszydao Islands), has rectangular coordinates with an approximate value of x = 5 358 650 and a value of y = 23 482 570.
                        From the border point 10/2, the state border line runs in a straight line in a southeast direction along the Bolshoi Ussuriysky island (on the Chinese map - Heisyatszydao Islands) to the border point 10/3. This boundary point has approximate rectangular coordinates: x = 5 358 300, y = 23 482 740.
                        From the border point 10/3, the state border line runs in a straight line in a south-south-west direction along the Bolshoi Ussuriysky island (on the Chinese map - Heisyatszydao islands) to the border point 10/4. This boundary point has approximate rectangular coordinates: x = 5, y = 349.
                        From the 10/4 border point, the state border line runs in a straight line in a southeast direction along the Bolshoi Ussuriysky island (on the Chinese map - the Heisyatszydao island) to the 10/5 border point. This boundary point has approximate rectangular coordinates: x = 5, y = 349.
                        From the 10/5 border point, the state border line runs in a straight line in a southeast direction along the Bolshoi Ussuriysky island (on the Chinese map - the Heisyatszydao island) to the 10/6 border point. This boundary point has approximate rectangular coordinates: x = 5, y = 349.
                        From the border point 10/6, the state border line runs in a straight line in a southerly direction to the eleventh border point.
                        The line of the Russian-Chinese state border described above is plotted in red on maps of the PRC and maps of the former USSR on a scale of 1: 100000. The values ​​of the rectangular coordinates given in the description of the state border line are measured on these maps.
                        The above maps with the red line of the Russian-Chinese state border are attached to this Supplemental Agreement and form an integral part thereof.
                      4. 0
                        15 June 2020 09: 41
                        Any natural changes that may occur on the terrain in the border strip do not entail changes in the position of the Russian-Chinese state border demarcated on the terrain in the areas specified in Article 1 of this Supplementary Agreement, as well as in the ownership of the islands, unless the Contracting Parties agree otherwise.
                        The ownership of the islands that appeared on the border rivers after the demarcation of the border line is determined in accordance with the position of the demarcated border line, and the ownership of the islands that appeared directly on the demarcated border line will be determined through consultation between the Contracting Parties on an equitable and rational basis.
                        In 2005, Russia agreed to give China one and a half islands in the Khabarovsk Territory - Tarabarov Island and part of the Bolshoi Ussuriysky Island went to the Celestial Empire. An agreement on these territorial concessions was signed between the leaders of Russia and China. Legally, the island of Tarabarov and half of the island of Bolshoi Ussuriysky, after the demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border, departed to China in October 2008.

                        The islands legally and in the international legal sense did not belong to anyone, and at the conclusion of the 1991 border agreement between the USSR and the PRC, the ownership of the three islands was also not determined.
                      5. +1
                        15 June 2020 10: 30
                        Quote: Tagil
                        I'm also tired of reading all kinds of experts like you,

                        Actually, it was about constitutional amendments and tricks that could come to us sideways, rather than reprinting publications, and yet the tricks in the amendments are still a whole bunch. Well, this is the site’s policy. You didn’t understand me, dear, well, whoever wanted to understand that if the borders are sacred, then they should be sacred and not touching for everyone Only then do not be surprised that they cut off a piece of land or sea as a result of negotiations or friendship from Russia, as it was after my first post in the Bering Sea. All the best.
                      6. -1
                        15 June 2020 11: 02
                        borders are sacred then they must be sacred and not touched
                        So what is the problem if the amendment to the Constitution clearly says "Prohibition of actions aimed at changing the border of the Russian Federation." In my opinion, there is nowhere more clear.
              2. AUL
                +3
                14 June 2020 08: 29
                Quote: carstorm 11
                I'm just trying to understand what the old is better than the new, what if you say you want to leave it so ...

                The trouble is not that the old is better than the new, but that the new is no better than the old, and even shame with zeroing - an amendment for a specific person!
                1. -5
                  14 June 2020 12: 18
                  Quote from AUL
                  The trouble is not that the old is better than the new, but that the new is no better than the old

                  The old constitution did not prevent Putin from promising "18 years of brilliant victories" at the elections in 10. And then, all of a sudden, he decided to make us "happy" by extending his "wise" rule ...
              3. -4
                14 June 2020 13: 12
                Quote: carstorm 11
                let's say you want to leave her so ...

                they really want to leave the priority of international law, but they cannot say directly about it - that’s why they are expressively florid.
          2. +2
            14 June 2020 06: 19
            Is the foundation of this tower strong?
          3. -7
            14 June 2020 06: 22
            Quote: carstorm 11
            "A large tree grows out of a small one, a nine-story tower begins to be built from a handful of land, a journey of a thousand or so begins with one step." but to compare your country with a brothel

            You give the wrong examples. You need to remember another image:

            Compare photos before serving in government agencies and after ...
            1. +3
              14 June 2020 06: 23
              what for? the conversation does not seem to be about people in this service but about the constitution.
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            1. 0
              14 June 2020 07: 15
              I do not care who is at the helm. . because whoever you do not want to put in his place will also run into reality and everything will be exactly the same. although a communist, even a socialist, even a capitalist, is first and foremost a person of the system. and to fight the system even at the very top will naturally end in a fatal defeat for the one who starts it. you will be thrown a bone that would be left behind and everything will end there. and everything will remain as before)
        2. +14
          14 June 2020 07: 32
          Quote: Dalny V
          most of the amendments that really deserve attention have long existed as laws.


          only amendments in the form of laws, unlike those prescribed in the Constitution, the court from the district to the supreme can both take into account and not take into account. And what is written in the Constitution is mandatory for execution without any interpretation by all Russian courts.
          1. AUL
            -7
            14 June 2020 09: 38
            Quote: lopvlad
            only amendments in the form of laws, unlike those prescribed in the Constitution, the court from the district to the supreme can both take into account and not take into account. And what is written in the Constitution is mandatory for execution without any interpretation by all Russian courts.

            The judge, taking the decision, is guided by:
            - laws
            - clarification (interpretation) of laws by the supreme court,
            - enforcement practice (well, a very vague concept),
            - own conscience (an even more vague concept)
            but not the constitution. An interesting picture, isn't it?
          2. +2
            14 June 2020 15: 34
            Quote: lopvlad
            Quote: Dalny V
            most of the amendments that really deserve attention have long existed as laws.


            only amendments in the form of laws, unlike those prescribed in the Constitution, the court from the district to the supreme can both take into account and not take into account.And what is prescribed in the Constitution is mandatory for implementation without any interpretations by all courts of Russia.

            Three times HA! wassat


            Shl. This is a photo from the official website of the State Duma, and not "evil trolling from a liberal."
        3. -15
          14 June 2020 08: 47
          Quote: Dalny V
          And we will still be promised milk rivers with jelly banks,

          Honestly, you need a new mobilization and everyone needs to plow like in the 30s and you will be immediately ready to work like Pavel Korchagin?
        4. -6
          14 June 2020 14: 33
          There was one document - and now there will be two documents that can be poked in the face.
      2. +4
        14 June 2020 06: 40
        Quote: carstorm 11
        you and your associates just need to decide whether you want changes to the constitution or the old one suits you. Now you want to vote against. OK. and then what? and then we will just live the old way and that’s it. and nothing will change voooooobsche. ) struggle for the sake of struggle. no more. I'm here on the drum. I was not going to walk and I won’t go. but to vote against just because of a few points that you don’t like is such a treshak ..
        I will not answer for everyone, but I will voice my position. I don’t see the fundamental difference between Yeltsin’s and Putin’s constitution, because the main thing for me is missing
        socialist course of the country
        The faces are all the same, and the songs are all the same, since the time of Yeltsin, so let them go through the woods with their Talmuds!
      3. -4
        14 June 2020 07: 55
        It is necessary before that those laws that are
    2. +2
      14 June 2020 06: 41
      Quote: Far In
      So it’s clear that this whole farce is for to galley ragger and further rowing with all my might,

      For our non-alternative to become already non-alternative. And his friends (who aren’t like oligarchs), while he rules, will make a dag scratch (from the public domain).
      1. -3
        14 June 2020 13: 16
        Quote: Stas157
        For our non-alternative to become already non-alternative.

        in the sense of ours? you are from Ukraine ... why "our"?
    3. +9
      14 June 2020 07: 41
      Do you want to row the other way? Tell us which one? And how are the amendments hindering you? Are they holding you by the "oars"? Explain how what exactly .... We will listen to you with pleasure. Only briefly, clearly, without "FOR" wink
      1. -3
        14 June 2020 13: 19
        Quote: Tatiana Sementsova
        And what are the amendments preventing you?

        worried that Stockholm arbitration could no longer subsidize their country ...
      2. -3
        14 June 2020 14: 35
        There they do not hold for the "oars" but for the "coconuts" - the Bounty is coming to an end.
    4. +2
      14 June 2020 13: 01
      a boycott would make sense
      meaning is always there. The people boycotted and boycotted the mask regime, and when they do not come to the polling stations, they might think a little. For example, they will increase the number of the National Guard.
    5. +1
      14 June 2020 14: 55
      one has to go and vote against, because a boycott would only make sense if the minimum turnout threshold had not been canceled.
      The only way, Michael! Therefore, I persuade not to go. Only NO!
  4. +6
    14 June 2020 05: 40
    After the Serdyukov-Vasilieva case, I realized that the laws in Russia do not work and they can be interpreted in their own way, Putin and his team are the main violators of the laws of the Russian Federation, all of them under trial.
    1. +5
      14 June 2020 06: 34
      Exactly, we have a law (read-Constitution) that draws, as it turned, it happened. As we see.
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    1. +10
      14 June 2020 05: 58
      And who is the employer? Gulchatay show your face.
      1. +10
        14 June 2020 05: 59
        It is necessary to ask the author.
    2. +3
      14 June 2020 06: 31
      An interesting person expresses his opinion, and you immediately have an employer, order, glue labels.
      You like that vote for and happiness to you in bright tomorrow.
      I don’t like a lot of amendments repeating existing laws and I am against it, I don’t like zeroing the deadlines and I am against, after the pension reform any initiatives of the government and its faithful Edrosia cause rejection.
      Do you just turn on the foolish mode or do you sincerely think that four hundred amendments adopted in an emergency order is this wonderful?
      You like the amendments vote for and quietly be proud of it.
      1. +5
        14 June 2020 11: 15
        and you immediately have an employer, order, glue labels

        Not immediately, but based on the analysis of a series of articles by this author on this topic.
        1. 0
          14 June 2020 12: 51
          About it is difficult to analyze Roman always shakes him)).
          But excuse what he is wrong right now.
          And if he used to drown for power, then he was reforged.
          What is not surprising, a person’s opinion is changing, a simple example of how many former communists fervently bruise their foreheads in temples, not otherwise they have seen.
        2. 0
          14 June 2020 13: 03
          analysis result
          and you read the author’s articles in 2014. maybe it will come why he was disappointed. If you are really capable of analysis.
  6. -3
    14 June 2020 05: 48
    Apparently they are in a hurry while there is an opportunity to push through "with popular support." In 4 years, part of today's stable electorate - pensioners, will leave for natural reasons, and new ones will not "come" instead. I talked with people who were 5 years old before retirement and now 10 years old. It had a very sobering effect. But they won't vote because of the virus. well, his "so risk it." But the fearless current retirees will go and vote. On TV, they say that a plateau, a recession, they just would not be canceled, it is not fools who sit, but people with education (C). But the older people get, the more they will realize that earlier they would have already retired, and they will work for another 5 years.
    1. +9
      14 June 2020 07: 45
      And call the exemplary team surname in power, which would suit you. And how do they suit you more. (If possible) Thank you.
      1. bar
        +6
        14 June 2020 08: 36
        And call the exemplary team surname in power, which would suit you.

        This is a question below the belt. laughing
        The task of whining all-crawlers is whining. They don’t know anything else. They are not able to degenerate any constructive proposals. All of this resource, with the exception of increasingly rare articles on military subjects, the editorial staff devoted to the sewer of discontent. Perhaps it was for this that he was created.
        1. +7
          14 June 2020 10: 50
          Specific people are behind any resource, and resource owners are above them.
          Apparently the owners have changed.
          Initially, it was completely different, and definitely created as completely patriotic.
          1. +5
            14 June 2020 11: 05
            The resource owner is normal people.
            The article is simply scandalous ...
            And ours is all in business. Who is in the country, who is in the field ... Therefore, liberals loafers clouds like clouds, like a mosquito
          2. -9
            14 June 2020 12: 26
            Quote: Thunderbringer
            Specific people are behind any resource, and resource owners are above them.
            Apparently the owners have changed.

            The Zaputins are not able to reason outside the "master - slave" paradigm. After all, where is it seen that any person does not have a master? ̶U̶m̶u̶ ganglion is incomprehensible.
        2. -2
          14 June 2020 11: 18
          The enemies of the communists tell and prove everything about themselves, including the fact that when before the last "Putin elections" the "left" united, created their own Program for Russia and its people, chose their presidential candidate, the enemies of the communists in power and their paid propagandists on TV, in the media, on the Web, staged a large-scale frenzy against the candidate from the "left" in the eternal for the enemies of the communists with lies, slander, rudeness, insults, hypocritical "righteous anger" in order to discredit both him and the "Left" program, which they themselves admitted their alternative for themselves, their power and the System. And by the example of the persecution and robbery of Grudinin, the authorities showed that they would not allow anyone to "protrude", that the "political field" of Russia should be thoroughly cleaned out. Only liberals hated by the people can pretend to be the opposition, so that the authorities slip them over to the people as a "horror story" - if you don't want Putin and United Russia, then they will be.
          1. 0
            17 June 2020 12: 56
            Grudinin is neither a communist nor a leftist, he is a bourgeois, the Communist Party showed this advancement
            1) In the entire Communist Party there is not a single worthy candidate;
            2) Zyuganov understands that they will not vote for him, but does not want to resign;
            3) The Communist Party completely discredited itself as a party.
        3. +5
          14 June 2020 12: 27
          So I about the same ...... And for this statement the admin issued a warning to me ..... For trolling !!!!! request
        4. 0
          14 June 2020 13: 10
          sewer discontent
          What are you doing here, Mr. Cesspool? Go where there is one contentment.
      2. +4
        14 June 2020 10: 46
        The main thing for them is to pour mud - they pay for it.
        And measures - they don’t pay for it
      3. -1
        14 June 2020 13: 08
        example team
        Protest This is a provocation. And then it turns out that all these people took all the money abroad, as was the case with Grudinin.
      4. -1
        15 June 2020 05: 40
        Quote: Tatyana Sementsova

        And call the exemplary team surname in power, which would suit you.
        And how do they suit you more. (If possible) thanks.


        There was one contender with the team, but crashed in a helicopter ...
        Another crashed in a car, the third is serving or departing ...
        So there will be no more surnames and teams ... at all ...
    2. -3
      14 June 2020 13: 22
      Quote: XopeK
      I talked with people who had previously been 5 years before retirement and became 10.

      give a specific example (year of birth / gender / length of service, there was a term / became)
      Or did you come up with everything?
  7. +5
    14 June 2020 05: 48
    The situation resembles a scene from Pinocchio ... when the cunning Aliska sniffed his gold from Leopold's cat ... he poor fellow realizes that he was cheated but cannot prove anything because of ignorance of arithmetic ... a classic situation. The main drafters of the laws of Klishas and Krashennikov ... for all disputed laws, please contact them.
    1. +9
      14 June 2020 08: 19
      - We have five gold ones. So? Five is not divided into two? Not divided, right? Let's try to divide ... into five! It turns out ... one! Get it!
      - Don’t confuse me!
      “Basilio, when did I confuse you?”
      - Don’t confuse me!
      - Well, when did I confuse you?
      - Do we have four gold?
      - Four.
      - Well, four by five is not divided? Not sharing! So I’ll take this non-dividing half for myself. Well, I'm always glad to help a friend ...
      - Deceived ... Yes? Confused ...
      - Are you kidding?
      - Oh, you mean one!
  8. Owl
    0
    14 June 2020 05: 52
    The so-called "popular vote on amendments to the Constitution" is simply an exercise in portraying popular support for the "amendments" already "adopted" by the current "rulers" and approved by the "guarantor." All the so-called patriotic amendments have the level of bylaws and most often duplicate the non-working laws adopted in Russia earlier. The creatures who are "in power", by their actions, showed complete disregard and disrespect for the ordinary population of Russia, that is, for the People, removing everything from the "amendments" (accounts and real estate abroad, criminal punishment for dual citizenship while in the civil service), which may complicate their "sweet life at the expense of the taxpayer with elements of theft and treason".
    1. +16
      14 June 2020 08: 44
      The creatures who are "in power", by their actions, showed complete disregard and disrespect for the ordinary population of Russia, that is, for the People, removing everything from the "amendments" (accounts and real estate abroad, criminal punishment for dual citizenship while in the civil service)

      However, the lie is Mr. Good and the like. Here I have a text comparing constitutions before my eyes, where black and white ... Art. 94, p. 4. Well and accordingly, it is similar for officials, deputies, judges, prosecutors, etc.
      A senator of the Russian Federation may be a citizen of the Russian Federation who has reached 30 years of age, has been permanently resident in the Russian Federation, has no citizenship of a foreign state or a residence permit or other document confirming the right to permanent residence of a citizen of the Russian Federation in the territory of a foreign state. In accordance with the procedure established by federal law, senators of the Russian Federation are prohibited from opening and having accounts (deposits), from storing cash and valuables in foreign banks located outside the territory of the Russian Federation.
      1. Owl
        +2
        14 June 2020 21: 12
        In Russia, unfortunately, it is necessary to prohibit opening and having accounts (deposits), keeping cash and valuables in foreign banks, not only for government officials of any level and deputies, but also for their closest relatives. Example: a working pensioner, the owner of 7 companies - Volodin's mother, it will also be with deposits, real estate, with equity participation in business abroad, deposits and other "benefits in the territory of a potential ally" will be recorded on children, parents and other relatives ...
    2. -2
      14 June 2020 13: 25
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      The so-called "popular vote on amendments to the Constitution" is simply an exercise to portray popular support for the "amendments" already "adopted" by the current "rulers" and approved by the "guarantor."

      and in a neighboring country, constitutional amendments were made without a vote .... and nothing ....
  9. +9
    14 June 2020 05: 56
    Too many emotions and often off topic ....
    A liter of milk - what does the Constitution have to do with it?
    The author seems to have no idea about the system of standards, specifications, etc. When products are manufactured in accordance with them and correspond to them ...

    This is the same as advocating that only cars developed in the design bureau of our country and made entirely of our parts should move on Russian roads.
    Or the same thing about TVs - only ours ...

    Electronic voting. I know many employees at work who participated in election commissions. Recently, they even passed tests or an exam. Small, but a penny went to the family budget. In the upcoming elections, about 90% of them refused to participate in commissions. There is one reason - coronovirus. We have a peak in the province, however ... Fear will be infected. The expected heat and sitting in rooms without an air conditioner in masks and gloves is almost two shifts .... They all just dream and talk about voting remotely ... And then only the civil position of each person ...

    My relatives and I will go to the polling station and vote for amendments to the Constitution.
    1. 0
      14 June 2020 13: 28
      Quote: AsmyppoL
      Too many emotions and often off topic ....

      this is a cover (manipulation)
  10. +4
    14 June 2020 06: 00
    It's time to change the constitution written by the Western bourgeoisie. And now the time has come. I am glad.
    1. +6
      14 June 2020 06: 20
      It's time to change the constitution written by the Western bourgeoisie. And now the time has come. I am glad

      Now do you want a constitution written by local bourgeois, disciples of the western? laughing
      1. -1
        14 June 2020 13: 29
        Quote: Lebed
        Now you want a constitution written by local bourgeois,

        of course! it won’t be worse !!!!
    2. +4
      14 June 2020 13: 47
      "It is high time to change the constitution written by the Western bourgeoisie. And now the time has come. I am glad."
      yes, it’s time to change it to the one written by patriotic bourgeois. and then somehow it turns out unknowingly, there are bourgeois, but the constitution is not written for them
  11. -6
    14 June 2020 06: 08
    What is it they want to stir up that popular approval is needed? It’s scary to imagine even.

    That's for sure. Scary, because it is incomprehensible.
    1. -5
      14 June 2020 06: 15
      Fear of change is something that both sides play on. Instead of issuing not emotional remarks, but analyzing the fact.
    2. +1
      14 June 2020 06: 18
      We'll all die someday
      ... Scary ... well, Roman ... brought the people to panic fear.
      1. -2
        14 June 2020 06: 20
        It's not about death. We will die. But our children and grandchildren live in this country with a new constitution in a new empire.
        1. +9
          14 June 2020 06: 44
          Everything is so ... but just as thought
          and our ancestors said ... of course one must strive for excellence.
        2. +4
          14 June 2020 11: 06
          For children, for grandchildren ... However, a tear does not break through ..
          For a red word and for cheap popularity these words?
      2. +12
        14 June 2020 06: 47
        He is not alone - this is what is called the information war! Majesty, eloquence without specificity ... Do not be afraid, a very limited circle of people reads, half are not assigned to Russia, they are not frightening everyone.
        1. +9
          14 June 2020 09: 01
          The war we see here. Barin said to scold the amendments and they immediately wow-wow.
          Barin across the ocean every cent controls
  12. -8
    14 June 2020 06: 11
    Do you want a new constitution? Receive and sign!
    Yes, they did, but NEW!
    1. +7
      14 June 2020 11: 23
      New will be soon in your America.
      Senators and the president are only Afro-Americans. Compensation for every Negro - a million bucks
      1. -8
        14 June 2020 11: 58
        Quote: RoXX7
        New will be soon in your America.

        Roma, in your, your America, America Rum Posner and Bulk. negative And Russia, this shit is already full. request
  13. 0
    14 June 2020 06: 30
    If you don’t want the Yeltsin Constitution, vote for a new one. I, however, belong to these things on a daily basis. I lived under the Stalinist Constitution, and under Brezhnev’s, and Yeltsin’s, too. I live for the first two. This is what should be, probably the essence of our life is located. If you look at the article of the current Constitution on national currency, then there is such pathos, even tears welling out. But after all, pennies were left only in sales receipts.
    1. -3
      14 June 2020 07: 31
      Quote: nikvic46
      .I lived under the Stalin Constitution, and under Brezhnev and Yeltsin, too, I still live. The first two were invisible to me

      This is where the Soviet power suited me. They did it so that I had no reason to notice it, did not put a spoke in the wheels, did not tighten the screws and did not leave people to their fate, explaining this with good intentions and the intrigues of the enemy, as ours does. "scout",
    2. +1
      14 June 2020 14: 24
      we are not offered a new constitution. we are offered amendments to the old one, and it is unknown who makes these amendments, moreover, all the amendments in one package. I read some amendments, but they are written in very oak language, if you wish, you can interpret them as you like. but it’s not a matter of just wondering if there is a person here who has read all of them, compared them with the articles of the current constitution, analyzed the results and said yes, I read everything, compared and understood, and I will vote for amendments the right thing! and I urge everyone to this! is there such a person? respond. it was enough for me that I read that children are the main wealth of the Russian Federation. not parents, not family-states. I have enough of this, I repeat, to make a decision. 400 amendments written in the office, many at the level of good wishes, because the state has neither the strength nor the influence abroad to guarantee the implementation of these articles, but what is abroad, and inside some current articles at the dream level, and in regions (especially national ones) do not work, or come with a terrible creak, why do you think that the new ones will work? So, it will, if there is, the same Yeltsin’s constitution, with Putin’s patches and then, possibly 2020, and further, in order. this is for those who wish https://www.znak.com/2030-2020-01/putin_minimum_trizhdy_obechal_ni_pri_kakih_obstoyatelstvah_ne_menyat_konstituciyu
  14. +3
    14 June 2020 06: 44
    Another cry-meaningless little article. Nobody holds the author’s mister for the folds like anyone else - they don’t like amendments, vote against. But if you write an article that is clearly critical, and you don’t like everything from milk to Putin, it makes sense to write clearly what you don’t like and why in the amendments, what you want to add and why. And so the porridge spreads over the saucer.
    1. -2
      14 June 2020 07: 10
      Quote: LeonidL
      it makes sense to write clearly what you don’t like and why in the amendments, what you want to add and why.
      And what is there to write something? All these purely populist amendments simply create a beautiful screen for the main amendment - the zeroing of the terms of Putin, who thus plans to stay in power for life. This completely negates the democratic principle of the need for constant change of power and his own words about "will not cling to power and change the constitution."
      1. +2
        14 June 2020 15: 56
        Quote: Greenwood
        Quote: LeonidL
        it makes sense to write clearly what you don’t like and why in the amendments, what you want to add and why.
        And what is there to write? All these purely populist amendments are simply create a beautiful screen for the main amendment - zeroing Putin’s terms, who thus plans to remain in power for life. This completely negates the democratic principle of the need for constant change of power and his own words about "will not cling to power and change the constitution."

        Look wider.
        The main amendment is the creation of a new authority, the State Council. With vague powers and the principle of formation.
        Perhaps it is under his future head (guess who?) That the terms of the "future president" are limited and the powers of the "branches of power" are redistributed.
    2. +14
      14 June 2020 07: 43
      Quote: LeonidL
      But if you write an article that is clearly critical, and you don’t like everything from milk to Putin, then it makes sense to write clearly what you don’t like and why in the amendments


      so it is necessary to give reasonable arguments and this is difficult, especially when they are not. It is easier to flop on the floor like a small child and whine, "I don't want to, bad, vote against."
      1. 0
        14 June 2020 14: 45
        "so it is necessary to give reasonable arguments and it is difficult, especially when they are not."
        Do you have reasonable arguments for all 400 amendments? bring them, if any. and so you sit on the floor in the same way and whine - she is good, vote for her
    3. +2
      14 June 2020 11: 03
      Quote: LeonidL
      it makes sense to write clearly what you don’t like and why in the amendments, what you want to add and why.


      If you ustravaetsya EBN and its course, your right. Only EBN in comparison with GDP kid on the part of "state building"
  15. -3
    14 June 2020 06: 49
    "If I thought that a totalitarian or authoritarian system is most preferable for us, then I would simply change the Constitution. As you understand, it was easy to do. It does not even require any nationwide vote, it was enough to pass this decision in parliament, where we (the United Russia party) had more than 300 votes. " Putin. year 2012.
  16. -6
    14 June 2020 06: 52
    We have failed to create a just society. Man is not worthy yet. So after the USSR, all this is tinsel. Eat each other - climb up with bloody elbows ...
    1. +11
      14 June 2020 07: 37
      Horror ... painted.
    2. +3
      14 June 2020 11: 44
      Of course you prosrali and our Russia no longer lies in front of you, but stands with a sword in his hands
  17. +15
    14 June 2020 06: 53
    He began to read the article and guessed the author in three paragraphs.
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      1. +8
        14 June 2020 09: 50
        Quote: CruorVult
        I understood from the title

        "By the title" I had suspicions, but when I started reading I was confident.
    2. +1
      14 June 2020 14: 47
      "I started reading the article and after three paragraphs I guessed the author."
      and what did he write about, understand?
  18. +13
    14 June 2020 06: 57
    Read the article and comments. I remembered a quote from Demyan Bedny, which my beloved late mother-in-law loved to repeat. "You criticize the Soviet government, your criticism is of no use to us." But seriously. The history of the reworking of the constitution is a bad sign, it means that the leader is getting old. Leonid Ilyich at first ruled quite reasonably. Kosygin's reforms bore fruit, there was a detente, at least for a while. Everything was tolerable in the shops, at least in those cities where I visited. But Ilyich grew old and wanted to immortalize himself with the constitution. So it is now. It is sad. But there is nothing to do, old age has its own quirks. I know from myself.
    1. +10
      14 June 2020 07: 54
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      A constitutional redo story is a bad sign


      for those who want to ruin and sell Russia in parts, a very bad sign.
      1. +8
        14 June 2020 08: 12
        rr You are right, if I understood your comment correctly, that liberals of all stripes and representatives of "pigs against" who joined them in our country and abroad, united in their malice and innuendo, want to fail the vote. I'm right about that. that the posing of the question of changing the constitution in the face of a rabid anti-Russian, and if not anti-popular, because Putin was elected by the people, anti-Putin hysteria, is untimely. In the face of a sudden sharp drop in living standards due to the virus, the risk of voting failure is high. And this will cause such consequences that 92 will seem good. For they will choose the one for which our and foreign sponsors will give more money. Is the story with Grudinin evidence-based?
    2. +6
      14 June 2020 11: 55
      The decision on the new Constitution was made under Khrushchev. But the development process dragged on for almost 15 years. And to be honest, recently, despite sympathy for the ideas of socialism, I have come to the conclusion that the 1993 Constitution is a much more elaborated document compared to the Soviet Constitutions. Yes, the huge powers of the President, but they are honestly spelled out. Do we find any mention in the Soviet Constitutions of the Secretary General of the Central Committee, of the Politburo of the Central Committee, of the Plenum of the Central Committee of the party, that is, of those bodies and structures that really controlled us?
      1. 0
        14 June 2020 16: 06
        Quote: Sergej1972
        Do we find in the Soviet Constitutions any mention of the Secretary General of the Central Committee, of the Politburo of the Central Committee, of the Plenum of the Central Committee of the party, that is, of those bodies and structures that really controlled us?

        But yak! fellow
        Here you are.
        Constitution of the USSR 1977 year.

        Article 6. The guiding and guiding force of the Soviet
        society, the core of its political system, state and
        public organizations is the Communist Party
        Soviet Union
        . The CPSU exists for the people and serves the people.

        Since the CPSU is "leading and directing", then its "bodies" are also managers.
        1. +1
          14 June 2020 16: 28
          Only common words, without any specifics. And until 1977, even this was not.
  19. +5
    14 June 2020 06: 57
    I would like to ask: where are they, these hosts .........., who want to ruin your Power?

    You see them every day, and more than once ...
    I’d like the milk package to have a guaranteed capacity: liter. Like before. And now there may be as many as you like. From 830 to 1000 grams.

    Does the milk carton contain as much product as is written on the carton? Then what's the problem? Moreover, on the price tag in your photo there is also a given price per kilogram. It's not at all clear why this "sketch"? You say the laws don't work for us? Probably yes ... Otherwise, you would be invited to the local branch of the UK and politely asked:
    Already in Moscow, dozens of cases of “recommendations” to public sector employees began to vote remotely / online on mos.ru. Naturally, “for” the amendments and in some places with the subsequent provision of confirmation of the “correct” vote. A wave of complaints and indignation has already begun.
    First of all, it began in educational institutions, but municipal service enterprises have already gone into business.
    Yours? Please provide specific examples of complaints of people with names and addresses that have become known to you. After all, these are facts about the presence of corpus delicti on the part of certain officials. Otherwise, sign the resolution to initiate an UD against you ..... Then you will start writing in a public space truthfully and reasonably. And today it is not entirely clear from what considerations you are trying to introduce into the reader's brain the myths about someone's demands for confirmation of the "correct vote", born, obviously, at other people's funds, but profitable for those "hosts ...." I fully agree that you can have a negative attitude towards the work of the government, or its individual representatives. We still have the right and the opportunity to express our opinion in the public space (if VO does not cut it out again). But why direct "shadows on the fence"?
    It is clear that the main one is the 81st article of the old Constitution, that is, zeroing. But the election is not tomorrow.

    We got to the main. Do you care about zeroing? And why? Yes, because you know that your point of view is not supported by that peoplewhom you want to convince to boycott this vote. So "our supposedly friends who have sat behind the hill" also want the same ... Coincidence? Not sure...
    1. -4
      14 June 2020 07: 42
      I’m from a provincial hole and our state employees also vote as the leadership should, because it’s like, literally, to be left without a job. And if the UK would like to understand this issue, what would it hinder him to conduct an anonymous survey among employees of municipalities? But why should the prosecutor’s office write against the wind, they’re so good. And a tip: take off your pink glasses and ride away from the Garden Ring at least 100 kilometers in any direction
      1. +10
        14 June 2020 07: 55
        I always love to read this) but can I ask, how does the leadership control how people vote?) such a leader came out and said that everyone would vote as I said. let’s lower the nuance that having written this on the phone to the head, he will fly so that there will be little if you put it on the network. Imagine that he does not care. so he ordered, and then what? walks home and watches how someone puts an online tick? goes into the booths to personally verify that you have followed his instructions?) who gives instructions without the ability to monitor their implementation? )))
        1. 0
          17 June 2020 13: 04
          You are right, voting is anonymous
      2. +11
        14 June 2020 08: 36
        Are you from a provincial hole? In the sense of the United States? Do you think we have bears walking in the center of the city, all drunk people swaying around, and the ballots with a tick show before stuffing bosses?
      3. +12
        14 June 2020 09: 03
        Quote: Uran53
        our state employees also vote as the leadership should, because to remain without a job of death is like, literally.

        And how do superiors get information about your vote?
        Quote: Uran53
        And if the UK would like to understand this issue

        SC will be disassembled if there are reasons for a showdown. You complain (reasoned) - SK understands ... You are silent and resign yourself to how you are being manipulated - SK is also inactive, because there is no reason to stand up for your defense without your appeal.
        Quote: Uran53
        But why should the prosecutor write against the wind

        Who, interestingly, acts as a wind for your prosecutor's office?
        Quote: Uran53
        And a tip: take off your pink glasses and ride away from the Garden Ring at least 100 kilometers in any direction

        Do you advise me this? laughing I have 3000 km to the Moscow Ring Road. Let me give you advice: do not be afraid of your own shadow ...
        1. -1
          14 June 2020 11: 10
          Quote: Hagen
          And how do superiors get information about your vote?

          simple - newsletter photo
          1. 0
            14 June 2020 12: 21
            about how. that is, a person will consciously pick up a punishment proof of coercion to vote?) are you serious?) one of the collective will take it off and his career will end. I understand the turnout to provide. it’s possible, but here's what to vote for, and even photos to put it big-top, sorry. There are simpler ways to become famous all over the country and lose your job.
            1. 0
              16 June 2020 03: 42
              It is sincerely funny to read your idyllic comments. And here is an example from harsh reality - when soldiers elected in Khabarovsk and the governor voted (citizens of the country all the same). And together with them, their commander went into the booth for a secret (!!!) vote and watched the unconscious soldier put a daw where necessary, and in some cases openly photographed their form in the booth. This has been repeatedly recorded and published, the LDPR officially announced this. The check was carried out ... with two times guess its results?
              1. 0
                16 June 2020 06: 15
                I myself was from Khabarovsk and more than once I voted on the personnel. No one went anywhere. It seems that we have nothing to do. If this happened this is an isolated case. You can’t keep track of everyone. But do not consider this a system. This is not true
                1. +1
                  16 June 2020 07: 10
                  So who is talking personally about you or about your treble?

                  If this happened this is an isolated case


                  It was not fixed individually. That is, it was a system. Which in particular is confirmed by the use of not a smartphone, but a serious and large camera in one of the cases. Even in the network there were materials in the truth of which one can doubt, but which completely fit into what is happening.



                  So all the same, guessed what the results of the audit were? Is the end of the career of captured faces?
                  1. -1
                    16 June 2020 08: 25
                    It's not at all what HF. business in the sense of what is happening. All the times in which I personally took part, everyone around wanted only one thing - that this would quickly end as an extra headache. And even a hint of something to force someone to do. The officer circle is quite narrow and I have never heard that someone would be ordered to do this. But I do not exclude the option that someone can offer someone financial support for such actions. Let your vote and we will pay you for it. It’s possible. I didn’t meet with an order from above, I didn’t hear, and there weren’t even rumors. As for the punishment, I don’t see that someone is forcing someone to vote for a certain candidate. As you cannot see this
                    1. +1
                      16 June 2020 08: 35
                      Just the same thing is what treble. Because one treble can differ absolutely from another. For example, I also took part in a similar one and an FSB officer was sitting on our site and he did not hide the fact that he received an order to prevent fraud in this area. Well, this does not affect other HF and other areas.

                      As for the punishment, I don’t see that someone is forcing someone to vote for a certain candidate.


                      Here I also hint at it. Here you are writing in response to the newsletter photo

                      "Oh how. That is, the person will knowingly take in his hands the proof of compulsion to vote punishable?) Are you serious?)"

                      Well, take it. And how does this prove that he was forcing someone to something? No way. This is just a photo that for some reason was given to an employee, he himself will say that he has no idea why he was given this photo and in general he did not really look at it. Even the statement of the victim is not enough, it will be unproven. There is only audio fixation where a specific employee will say this very clearly. And then try to lower the brakes ...

                      In this case, according to the results of the inspection, no violations were revealed, the soldiers who still did not expect to write statements for their commanders, and the supervisory authorities explained the photos very simply - the military simply took pictures of each other. And no one lost his job.
                      1. -1
                        16 June 2020 09: 33
                        You confuse my words a little. If I take it off and give it back and if he takes it off it’s different situations. He can say that he took a pancake out of love for art and go prove that it is not. Even if a soldier speaks about coercion, his word is against the word of the person taking it off. Taking my photos, plus my testimony, is already evidence.
                      2. +1
                        16 June 2020 10: 55
                        Taking my photos, plus my testimony, is already evidence.


                        Nothing like this. This will explain to you. any an investigator or just a person who is familiar with the proof as such. The only option is if the citizen himself admits and tells everything himself. And if there is “I don’t know why they gave me, to be honest, I didn’t look, I don’t know anything,” then there will be an unequivocal refusal to initiate UD.

                        By the way, this is not only a matter of criminal law, it often occurs in civil law in courts. I met myself

                        Did you receive this document? No, I didn’t.
                        Have you been to this institution? You know, I often go to work there.
                        Why does the plaintiff claim that you took the document? I do not know
                        What do you have to do with ....? Nothing, I learned about everything just before the meeting.
                        Do you work in ....? Worked, but quit.
                        Are you currently working in the same organization? Now yes.

                        In short, the witness was lying like he could.

                        Court decision - the facts claimed by the plaintiff are not proven, the plaintiff did not prove the fact of receiving the document, as well as the fact of the work of this witness in the period from to. All.
          2. +3
            14 June 2020 12: 47
            Quote: Silvestr
            simple - newsletter photo

            Do you have that? You tell me the number of your hospital, but at the same time the phone number to which you reset the reports ... We will remotely remind you if we have nobody ... wassat
          3. +2
            14 June 2020 16: 07
            This is completely stupidity, then the boss is a finished stupid person. And if subordinates do this, then they are also cowardly and finished. Even the bosses are well aware that in the era of the Internet and social networks, the publication of such instructions will mean the end of a career. And the superior for such eccentrics also will not intervene. Now people are not stupid, many subordinates go to various meetings with voice recorders and record what management says. So, just in case.)

            PS And if a person photographs someone else's ballot in collusion with another voter? Or after photographing, it will immediately ruin or take it away with you?
            1. +1
              14 June 2020 16: 16
              Quote: Sergej1972
              This is completely stupidity, then the boss is a finished stupid person.

              I think this chatter about the photo of the ballots is a fiction for the "catchphrase". We must somehow “mark” the territory around us.
          4. 0
            17 June 2020 13: 05
            photoshop to help
      4. +13
        14 June 2020 09: 40
        I’m wondering how management checks how state employees vote? The vote is secret. You go into the booth, check the box and throw the completed ballot paper into the ballot box. Who will find out later, who voted and how? The boss, what checks each ballot paper with a state employee before the state employee puts it in the ballot box? fool Even if the boss gave such an order, he does not hold the budget employee by the hand when voting.
        1. +1
          14 June 2020 15: 00
          “I’m wondering how the management checks how the state employees vote?
          before the vote, the votes of state employees and perplexed workers were conditionally counted "for", with the sum of such votes, and the desired 103% should be obtained. but in fact, it turned out -23%. that is, the charged voters voted against. this is where the distribution of elephants begins, with the deprivation of prizes and other snacks. This method is very well worked out by teachers in schools
          1. 0
            15 June 2020 06: 54
            Here I am about the same! Thank you for explaining to these democrats and free people how elections are being held in the outback.
      5. -1
        14 June 2020 14: 48
        Finish combing already.
    2. -3
      14 June 2020 08: 35
      Quote: Hagen
      Moreover, the price tag per kilogram is also present on the price tag in your photo.

      And so they deceive. 930 there, wipe the glasses.
      1. +9
        14 June 2020 08: 54
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        And so they deceive. 930 there, wipe the glasses.

        Where is "there"? On a bag or on a scale? If the weight of the content is less than what is written on the package, then send a claim to the RPN. What is the difficulty? There is a checkweigher in every store ... How else can you cheat? I don't quite understand you ...
        1. +2
          14 June 2020 09: 04
          Quote: Hagen
          How else can you be deceived? I do not quite understand you ...

          So that I offhand see a liter, or one and a half, for example. But in fact - there is either 930 or 1,350. Hesitated labels to study. What is the calculation. And they can also write on the price tag the price for one hundred grams, wait a minute, calculate how much the product actually costs.
          1. +2
            14 June 2020 09: 16
            And the conclusion: Putin is to blame
            1. +1
              14 June 2020 09: 19
              Quote: ViKLeV
              And the conclusion: Putin is to blame

              And in what ways did you come to this conclusion?
          2. +5
            14 June 2020 10: 48
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And they can also write on the price tag the price for one hundred grams, wait a minute, calculate how much the product actually costs.

            You have the phone at hand, for sure. What is the difficulty?
            1. 0
              14 June 2020 10: 51
              Quote: Hagen
              What is the difficulty?

              The fact that going to the store resembles a mathematical puzzle with an unknown result, as a rule, you leave more money there.
              1. +7
                14 June 2020 10: 56
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                going to the store resembles a mathematical puzzle with an unknown result, as a rule, you leave more money there.

                When you know what you want to buy, you do not overpay. And when you go into the same Okey without a pre-thought out plan, and even on an empty stomach, the purchase price depends on the depth of the stroller laughing , and after all that is characteristic, everything is necessary. laughing As they say smart - on the market there are two duraka - one sells, the other buys. This has always been the case with both white and red. What does this have to do with constitutional amendments, I don’t understand ...
                1. -2
                  14 June 2020 11: 09
                  Quote: Hagen
                  When you know what you want to buy, you do not overpay.

                  I write about the same as the author. Liters have turned into milliliters, kilograms - into grams. Like an anecdote on advertising "how much to hang in grams?"
                  - Count me 42 cherries.
                  - Are you from the sausage department? We have a crazy seller there.
                  Already not funny.
        2. 0
          14 June 2020 15: 02
          "Where is that 'there'? On a package or on a scale?"
          Do you often weigh packages of milk? but at least with rice or buckwheat?
  20. -3
    14 June 2020 07: 00
    I would like to ask: where are these host of buggers, wanting to break up your Power?
    They are around us, everywhere. In the government, the Duma, government committees, commissions, advisory councils, in the directorates of independent and conscientious SMRAD (mass media, agitation and misinformation).
    1. Developers of the history of the USSR
    2. creators of juvenile laws, protecting children from parents
    3. Human rights.
    4. Congress of intellectuals.
    5. their name is Legion, chop not chop. request
    1. -9
      14 June 2020 07: 28
      These are just the amendments that never hit anyone, as they themselves rewrote the constitution
      1. +7
        14 June 2020 08: 09
        These are just the amendments that never hit anyone, as they themselves rewrote the constitution
        .... Bees, against honey ... laughing
      2. +11
        14 June 2020 08: 13
        it’s just the amendments that never hit me,
        they are just amendments and hurt.
  21. +19
    14 June 2020 07: 02
    Eh, Roman ... Have you decided again to “touch” society?
    Everything is written from the heart, everything is illustrated by examples. There is not only one paragraph where the motivation of all these amendments adopted by law would be indicated. The fear of staying “not in power” pushed all this tribe of leaders and managers to change the constitution only because when a new “guarantee obligation” was adopted, it would be necessary to arrange new elections at all levels. But what about? You can’t remain the guarantor of what is no longer ...
    So they carry their aspirations through the actors, the media, and the officials to the “fooled masses”. But do we need to step on the rake again, once again believe in the bright tomorrow, when in the hateful "today" it is already clear that it is difficult to milk milk from an old goat?
    Therefore, prescribe a rich life in the Constitution or not - it will come only when the laws begin to work.

    Therefore, therefore, and therefore to expect the benefits of the constitution in a state built on capitalist backlogs is a waste of time.
    It would be nice for all “FOR” agitators to give an example from their personal lives, like “without flexing your back”, “like sweating your face”, “like being malnourished and not getting enough sleep” ... Like, having once promised two “Volga” vouchers each came to the conclusion that infantile Russian society is obliged to say "thank you" to Russian business.
    We apologize generously for not being able to go to GB and personally express gratitude.
    I’ll also go to vote if they don’t cancel, otherwise:

    and I will vote against.
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  22. -6
    14 June 2020 07: 06
    It's funny that so many screams were about the need to change the Constitution and now it is changing, but now the same people are shouting about the inviolability of the constitution, not the changes, the voting will not take place at the wrong time, and apparently the changes were initiated by the wrong people. So why on the sofas butt creases! Go to the polls, go to power, become deputies, presidents, ministers, establish life in the country. But on sofas is better.)))

    "Then I have a question: what the devil are you sitting here and being clever? You have been given life once? Go to work! You are not interested in the tricks that get up in the Kremlin? Go to work! You do not want to waste time on me (you want, otherwise it would be would have already dumped from the site)? Go and work!
    You have everything for this. You will have everything. The main thing is to work! "Banshee.
    1. +2
      14 June 2020 07: 57
      And you forgive me for the indiscreet question why hang around here? Why not at work plowing sweat? smile
      1. -5
        14 June 2020 08: 24
        And firstly, everything suits me in the first place in my life, secondly, there is an understanding that not only life wants to change, thirdly, I am well aware that the changes must be slow, gradual and verified, and then they will be long-lasting, and sharp throwing will lead to the collapse of everything society. And that’s exactly how I see the planned changes to the Constitution, calibrated, neat and gradual.
        1. -1
          14 June 2020 08: 29
          If all the citizens of Russia were happy with life, how happy you would be in our society ... but alas, not everyone lives like you. hi
          1. +4
            14 June 2020 08: 51
            And universal happiness will never come. One hair is not of the same color, the other is not tall, the third member is small, the fourth has breasts, someone has no children, and so on to infinity. How will you make everyone happy? No way. Life is a struggle, it was, is and will be. There will be happy, unhappy, rich and poor, healthy and sick.
            1. 0
              14 June 2020 10: 06
              Quote: savage1976
              And universal happiness will never come.

              And we do not strive for common happiness, and not for the “happiness” of Russian billionaires and millionaires, but for the well-being of most citizens, in a system of social relations, when everyone receives according to the results of their creative work, and not according to the principle of proximity to the feeding trough and level and permissibility use the speculation mechanism.
              Quote: savage1976
              One hair is not the same color, the other is not tall, the third member is small, the fourth has breasts, someone has no children, and so on to infinity.

              You do not get hung up on physiological features. Simply put, some are speculators, others are “hunchbacked and create” for pennies.
              Quote: savage1976
              Life is a struggle, it was, is and will be.

              Life is really a struggle, not a devouring of the weak. Life in human society is not life in the jungle.
              Quote: savage1976
              There will be happy, unhappy, rich and poor, healthy and sick.

              You forgot to add that there will be poor working people, because their salaries are handouts. There will be disenfranchised pensioners who were forced to work to death, while forgetting to lift the moratorium on indexing beggarly pensions to working pensioners. There will be rich people who, in a pandemic, will make billions in fortunes and poison nature due to their own greed. There will be patients who are compelled by the compassionate population to receive treatment with SMS, and those who simply have nowhere to be treated, and there will be healthy people who have made insurance medicine in the country, and go abroad to get treatment and rest ...
              As a result of such a struggle, the Russian population simply began to die out, because three deer in the forest for a hundred wolves were no longer enough.
              1. -2
                14 June 2020 10: 52
                There are not only physiological moments, happiness for everyone is a very different concept. And in your world there will be patients who will not even be allowed to sms, because they will be banned from talking about them, millions of political prisoners will work for free, anonymous letters will become fashionable again, well-fitted sneaks for handouts, there will be hidden accidents , because they will be banned from reporting and there will again be a shortage of goods of all categories, there will again be blat, back door, trade from under the floor and as a result of which you will have nothing but general poverty. So it was already, only a few history does not teach anything. And Russia and the USSR as a whole began to die out much earlier than it fell apart. There aren’t enough deer at all.
                1. -8
                  14 June 2020 12: 27
                  Plus, the very discussions on the Internet will be covered. We will, like in the good old days, go to the kitchens. Expressing their approval in public, turning into a stormy prolonged ovation.
                  1. +1
                    14 June 2020 12: 59
                    It is for this reason that the Platoshkin program, although it contains many interesting and good points, is fundamentally unacceptable to me just because of one point that introduces the supremacy of one single party and the prohibition of others into the Constitution. This is a regression of development.
                2. +5
                  14 June 2020 13: 20
                  I sometimes ponder what Putin's weakness is, and my conclusion is not at all that he owes his appointment to someone and is forced to work it out to the end by "zeroing". And not that he surrounded himself with "friends" who are worthless, but occupy important government posts. Even under these conditions, much can be done. Putin's weakness lies in the fact that he does not complete the good deed he has begun. He's not picky. He is not able to induce decisive actions in their "worthless", which would force them to leave on their own due to the impossibility of proper execution. Or he does not see the consequences of his actions.
                  For example, Crimea. Why is the flooding of Crimea not included in the list of national projects? Watering would not lead to new sanctions. It turns out they’ve attached, and so will it? Will not do!
                  Or another example. I really respect Andrei Removich Belousov, the author of national projects and our current vice-premier, but the infrastructure project in Siberia should be implemented only in conjunction with the creation of a number of industrial enterprises along the Trans-Siberian Railway. Otherwise, trains will transport exclusively Chinese consumer goods through us to Europe, along the way supplying them with adjacent territories and thereby killing the development of our light industry there. That is, it was necessary to think over everything in a complex. And so with Putin in everything. He took the solution of problems solely on himself, not trusting this business, including small and medium-sized businesses. Perhaps, based on the fact that such enterprises around the world began to systematically destroy. And no matter for what reason. But we are in a different situation, we have left the Soviet system, we are only learning capitalism. Small and medium business is a school of new economic relations for us! But no, everything is in the pen. So it was and will be in the future. A complete rejection of assistants to the new economic formation. So the transition to socialism is outlined? I do not see the prerequisites, except for the support of the general population. Especially in conditions of complete submission to IMF policy. But you cannot build socialism with the IMF. Contradictions, understatement, incompleteness of the begun affairs. Political unfinished. This is annoying.
                  1. +2
                    14 June 2020 14: 18
                    Well, to rule the country, do not toss the bags. A lot of nuances, vectors, difficulties. Here, many with his wife can’t fix life, but agree on the life of 146 million people, and even have no fun with 7 billion others. In some ways, Putin is acting right, in something not. Comrade Stalin was also going to beat the enemy on his territory, but for some reason 3 years had to be beaten on his own. Was Comrade Stalin a stupid man? Hardly, just against him, too, were not stupid people. The main thing is that Victory remained with Comrade Stalin and the people of the USSR.
            2. -1
              14 June 2020 13: 56
              Quote: savage1976
              And universal happinesse never comes. One hair is not the same color, the other is not tall, the third member is small, the fourth has breasts, someone has no children, and so on to infinity. Life is a struggle, it was, is and will be. Will be happy, unhappy, rich and poor, healthy and sick.

              Exactly!
              Quote: savage1976
              How to make everyone happy

              So, here it is just simple:

              Every woman is a man!
              Each man, two women!
              To each child, for candy!
              To everyone who disagrees, in the face!

              And everything is OK!Yes (joke if that)
              1. 0
                14 June 2020 14: 20
                You are not joking like that, otherwise many will accept the party’s program and direction of activity. Men for all the women are not enough. Do not prompt in general.))))
    2. -1
      14 June 2020 20: 21
      Show me in the State Duma at least one simple hard worker. They are not there because no one will let them go there, even if the people choose them. So, alas, with all the desire, a simple person will not get there and will not be able to work there for the good of the country. Well, for whose benefit do different entrepreneurs, artists, athletes work there - I think, understandably and without explanation.
      1. +1
        15 June 2020 01: 52
        And show at least one simple hard worker among the cosmonauts of the USSR. And among the doctors, show a simple hard worker? There are no such. It’s strange, because after all, the road is open to workers. So maybe this is because when you become an astronaut, a change of profession occurs and you are no longer just working for, but an astronaut or a doctor. So in the Duma you are no longer a simple hard worker, but a deputy.
        1. -1
          15 June 2020 11: 51
          Yes, the astronaut will be elected. But will they choose a hard worker before he becomes an astronaut? Will they choose a doctor? Which one? A simple district or head doctor? Here, as they say, the difference is very big. But, even if they choose a local doctor. then he will make decisions of his party, party discipline, so to speak. And he will not trample against it: who wants to change the sinecure to the usual not so well-paid job?
          1. +1
            15 June 2020 13: 17
            Then what are the claims to the deputies? Then if you please claim to the parties and to all ordinary people that by becoming deputies they betray the interests of ordinary people. What is it, maybe upbringing, or maybe society? Or is necessity and life so arranged?
            Deputies State. Duma of the last convocation:
            Ivan Loor - From 1974 to 1976, he served in the Soviet Army. In 1976, he began working as a tractor driver at the Plotnikovsky state farm of the Kamensky district. In 1979, Ivan Loor received the specialty of an agronomist-organizer, and in the same year he was appointed manager of the Ob branch of the Plotnikovsky state farm, and in November 1982 he was invited as director of the Transmashevsky state farm of the same name plant. From October 1986 to April 1997, Loor led the Plotnikovsky state farm [2]. What is not a collective farmer?
            Vladimir Lazarevich Yevlanov-In 1967 he received a secondary technical education with a degree in Electrical Engineering of Electrical Equipment, and graduated from the Kuibyshev Aviation College in the year. In 1967, he was called up for military service in the Soviet Army, was demobilized in 1969. From 1969 to 1972 he worked on the ships of the fleet of the ocean fishing base in Sakhalin as an assistant captain and electrician. What is not a worker?
            Vitaly Borisovich Efimov-Born on April 4, 1940 at the Krasnaya Zarya state farm (now CJSC Malino, located in the village of Bereznetsovo, Stupinsky District [3]), Moscow Region [4]. In 1957-1959 he worked at the Sergach MTS (apprentice locksmith, locksmith 3rd grade) [4] [5].

            In 1964 he graduated from the Gorky Agricultural Institute with a degree in mechanical engineering [4]. In 1964-1986 he worked in Gorky: he headed the repair shops of the Novinki school of education at the Gorky Agricultural Institute (1964-1968), was the chief engineer of motor convoy No. 1303 (1968-1976; since 1973 - PO of freight transport No. 8), chief engineer, then - Head of the Volga-Vyatka Transport Administration (1976-1983), head of the Gorky Territorial Association of Freight Motor Transport (1983-1986) [4] [5]. In 1967 he joined the Communist Party [6]. What is not a communist from the work environment?
            So are they, immigrants from the Aboche-peasant class accepting bad laws? So are they traitors to the interests of the working-peasant class? So where then are not the traitors? Once all becoming deputies suddenly become traitors? You can go through all the deputies, they all started almost from the bottom and with their own labor made their careers, and they would thump and scream that the authorities didn’t give me, I would then ........ There are a lot of people, but they all have to arrange their own lives they can’t, not so much as arranging someone else’s.
            1. -1
              16 June 2020 00: 03
              We started from the bottom, made a career, became deputies. However, these former workers accepted the PRN yes a. I had in mind a completely different thing: is there at least one person in the State Duma who would have gone to the deputies from the machine tool? Well, have you elected a worker, not a worker in the past, who made a career as a deputy? So that immediately from the machine tool - and to the deputies?
              1. 0
                16 June 2020 01: 18
                Once again, let's go over a new one. And workers become doctors from the machine? Well, he sharpened the workpiece on the machine, the team voted that he was now a doctor, put a working file and went to do heart surgery. Or launched into space. Why do we need to study, the main thing is that the pens are raised for you and let's go replace any specialties.
                1. 0
                  16 June 2020 09: 09
                  During the Soviet era, our neighbor was elected a deputy several times in a row (then she herself refused this). She was the head of the worsted plant. I went to the session, returned - and again to work. She died about 10 years ago. Until the last day, some of those whom she helped when she was a deputy came to her. And what about modern deputies? They see life from the window of a personal car, they don’t visit their factories, well, there a couple of times a year there will be visitors and everything else for the rest of the session. Life changes very quickly, like the conditions of this life themselves. And what they know about it if they are sitting in their seats at a good salary? And they will vote for anything, if only they would not be thrown out of there. And before, those who were chosen from the machine tool still continued to work in their team, so they looked into the eyes of voters almost every day.
                  1. 0
                    16 June 2020 12: 27
                    And how many bills has your neighbor prepared? Not at all, she just said "Yes" for the bills that the party showed her without even reading them. And then they are surprised that the country has collapsed.
                    1. 0
                      16 June 2020 16: 36
                      the current deputies are doing exactly the same thing - the party ordered, and that's it. and such laws come up that there are doubts about their health
                    2. 0
                      16 June 2020 16: 54
                      This neighbor helped people, and more specifically. She was a deputy in the Republican Council ... What laws did she adopt? Did the country fall apart? Yes, not from the laws, but from our stupidity and naivety.
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  24. -8
    14 June 2020 07: 26
    There is only one analogy regarding the "referendum" - everyone's favorite pension "reform". And if the PR was "recommended" by the IMF, then by whom? The darkest one is unlikely to be able to master two more terms due to his age, and the oligarchy will not give up its power anyway.
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  26. +10
    14 June 2020 07: 41
    The story develops in a spiral. Once upon a time 115 years ago, when the upper classes could no longer, but the lower classes did not want, the lower classes, bam, and the highest manifesto in October about freedoms ... The people also split, some climbed the barricades, others shouted hurray and thanked for the freedoms .. It ended up that the guard arrived and dispersed everyone ... The same is now, the government decided to prevent a social explosion in the country by granting amendments to the Constitution, and so much that the eyes run up with happiness, like in an expensive supermarket, from a beautifully packed Give me some corrections and more, more ... Here, here ... here's the receipt, we don't accept the purchased goods back ... Everything will settle down, it will settle down, but the cherry will not be pricked up, the beets will not bloom and the chickens will not farrow ... All this is reminiscent of an episode from the film "Feast of St. Jorgen", when one rogue heals another: "Heal, club! Who are they talking to!" ...
    1. +3
      14 June 2020 08: 01
      smile All will be cured ... time is needed.
    2. -1
      14 June 2020 10: 20
      Quote: parusnik
      The same thing now, the authorities decided to prevent a social explosion in the country by granting amendments to the Constitution, and so many that, with happiness, eyes widen, like in an expensive supermarket, from beautifully packaged goods.

      good
      What about EBN? The HMS artificially created a production crisis and a shortage of goods, excluding some of them from the consumer basket, which led to a shortage of everyday products. The EBN clan removed this slobber, seducing people with loud songs, appeals, colorful overseas packages and cap money. countries. Many then had their eyes widen, and some still remained "cross-eyed."
      A social explosion with such an attitude towards the population, to its rights, is a real inevitability bordering on provocation.
      Essentially, the most common decisions that improve the situation of the population have not been and will not be accepted. I cannot recall a single law when people would say, this is the CORRECT DECISION! (I don’t mention the reunification of Crimea ... Although, so much time was spent on “show-offs” for European and overseas partners, and the solution to the problem of fresh water in Crimea rests on the blackmail of the Ukrainian authorities. For almost 6 years this issue could not be resolved?)
      1. +1
        14 June 2020 12: 31
        The crisis of production, with washing out the already meager assortment of goods, happened even under Brezhnev. And it was not artificial - it is a natural flaw in the administrative - command system.
        1. +2
          15 June 2020 06: 19
          Quote: AU Ivanov.

          The crisis of production, with washing out the already meager assortment of goods, happened even under Brezhnev. And it was not artificial - it is a natural flaw in the administrative - command system.


          The deficit in the USSR was created artificially by the administrative means of the Communist Party.

          Those living in the USSR during the tobacco shortage did not know that the absence of tobacco products was the result of the closure of 26 factories by the communist Yeltsin and were very upset (to say the least)))))

          Nikolai Ryzhkov, in 1985-1990. - Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, in the television program “USSR. The collapse of the empire ”(episode 7), shown on December 11, 2011 (NTV channel) tells how this tobacco famine was artificially created in the country:
          “Gorbachev calls me and says:“ Here’s Yeltsin, can’t you come to me? ”
          I've come. And I already knew what was going on. For several days almost riots took place.
          I say: “Mikhail Sergeyevich, why are you asking me?
          There is Boris Nikolaevich next to you, and ask him.
          Boris Nikolaevich, I may be mistaken, 28 tobacco factories.
          Of these, 26 were stopped for repair in one day. So what are you asking?
          That (i.e. Gorbachev):
          “Boris Nikolaevich, on what basis did you decide to stop
          almost entirely the tobacco industry of the republic. Why did you do this? ”
          https://ss69100.livejournal.com/2353654.html

          Conscious sabotage and / or sabotage
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPbceuIQw3o
          600 Seconds by Nevzorov, 1989. 1:38 - chickens and pigs die and rot in the factory.

          The deficit in the USSR was created artificially by the administrative-command communist system.
          And the situation in which the store shelves were empty (and any products and goods were abundant in the country) could lead only to one thing - to riots of the population, which the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU actually sought. In the cities of the country, primarily in large industrial centers, where there is a large working class, mass protests of people skillfully translated into riots and riots begin in Moscow and Leningrad. By the fall of 1990, the situation was already ripe for this.
          Newspapers and magazines are full of messages about bread, vodka, tobacco, meat and other riots. Moreover, the fifth column acts as the creators of these publications. Thus, an article by academician S. Shatalin, the “godfather” of the “500 Days” program, in the magazine “Spark” is preceded by photographs of crowds of people at stores with a remark: “Every day, as if by magic, goods that were still in short supply are becoming scarce. There is nothing to shave, nothing to wash, nothing to brush your teeth, nothing ... ”and so on.

          There were many signs of deliberate bringing the miners to a riot: a delay in funds, a ban on the issuance of workwear, and more. But the disappearance of goods from store shelves is especially significant. At first, there was no meat and dairy products, bread products. Then there was no bedding, socks, cigarettes, razor blades. And then tea, washing powder, toilet and laundry soap disappeared from the shelves. And all this for a short time. The miners had nothing to eat and nothing to wash.
          1. +1
            15 June 2020 08: 40
            Here, in Novgorodskaya, even under Brezhnev, in stores there was a ball of kati, both in food and in manufactured goods.
            1. +1
              16 June 2020 01: 37
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              Here, in Novgorodskaya, even under Brezhnev, in stores there was a ball of kati, both in food and in manufactured goods.


              The Soviet people worked, carried out and exceeded the five-year plans.
              The deficit in the USSR was created artificially by the administrative means of the Communist Party.
              The directors of vegetable depots and zavmagi made good money on this.
  27. -1
    14 June 2020 08: 01
    It is clear that there are no other problems in the country, except for the terrible crowd of pederasts, who are ruining our foundations and statehood.
    Ah smartie, right, well said. smile If we cope with the main problem, then everything will be solved by itself.
    There are no problems in culture, in social programs. Well, medicine has shown itself in all its glory in dealing with the virus.
    Well, who sits in culture, writes the history of the country, who ruins education, social programs with medicine? Everywhere, without exception, they sit their own, crowds of pederasts. Other people will not be allowed there. angry
    Although no, there is also the Dark Lord Liberal, aka Alexey Navalny. Also a terrible liberal force, which is just waiting for the moment to ruin Russia.
    So he is one of these, like Zhirinovsky, Grudinin and Platoshkin. The words are different, but they want one to surrender us to the West. angry
  28. +4
    14 June 2020 08: 05
    Author! All liberals love the Russian Federation?



    Nobody openly attacked the USSR either, but with the help of the cold ideological war they defeated him, the television and America’s voice also took part ...
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  30. +1
    14 June 2020 08: 07
    All the way.
    July 1 - I vote for the amendments, for the sovereignty of Russia.
    1. -9
      14 June 2020 08: 44
      The West through its global corporations and its representatives on the boards of directors of major Russian companies
      applauds you standing
      fool
      1. +5
        14 June 2020 08: 53
        applauds you standing
        oh well, but for some reason it seems to me like that fool you knock yourself on the head bully
      2. -6
        14 June 2020 08: 58
        Quote: Pilot
        The West through its global corporations and its representatives on the boards of directors of major Russian companies

        So that's why they are here that we are not sovereign. Do you have to understand your refusal to vote so that you continue to prefer that they are here?
        1. -2
          14 June 2020 11: 51
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: Pilot
          The West through its global corporations and its representatives on the boards of directors of major Russian companies

          So that's why they are here that we are not sovereign. Do you have to understand your refusal to vote so that you continue to prefer that they are here?

          How will the homegrown bourgeois be sovereign from the global capitalist world? And who runs the country (owns), in the person of zeroed out? Whoever dines with the girl dances her, so forget the word, sovereignty, before the reds come. My refusal is regarded as indifference to cosmetic amendments that will not change anything, except as an extension of the board of the raw materials administration of the global cap. of the world.
      3. +12
        14 June 2020 09: 06
        This is your boss from the States said so? Not in vain in December 2016 in the states created an agency to counter Putin. And the money was released and used this year too! Her, you use such liberal democracy and openness in your own states. We do not need these liberal-paid squeals.
        We will decide how to vote at the polling station ...
    2. +12
      14 June 2020 08: 55
      Good morning! Do not interpret that I am interfering with your choice.
      Can i ask you?
      If so, then: who wrote the Constitution of the Russian Federation? Here on the forum it was repeatedly written that the partners. And who now corrects, corrects, supplements it?
      I have a feeling that the brain of people has been paralyzed. Unlearned to think for yourself, draw conclusions. The ability to search for the extremes, thank God, has not been lost.
      Sad however!
      1. -18
        14 June 2020 09: 03
        Quote: 30143
        And who now corrects, corrects, supplements it?

        10 was proposed by Putin, the rest are almost the same. The main thing is that the "Putin's" would pass, and the rest will recover later. That is why they are so yelling against, because understand the full depth of the amendments proposed by Putin, practically nullifying all their efforts in eagerness to serve the overseas master because of a puddle.
        1. +12
          14 June 2020 09: 14
          Oh well...
          And youth is now pragmatic. Maybe leave. Yesterday I watched Malinin. Emma popularly explained why she taught children abroad.
          And those who have learned there already look very different. Therefore, they sculpt the entire non-Russian world as an image of the enemy.
          But, after all, ordinary people everywhere live the same. Everyone has the same problems ...
          1. -8
            14 June 2020 09: 37
            Quote: 30143
            And youth is now pragmatic. Maybe leave.

            Pragmatic - won't leave. Obolvannaya - yes, but not for long.

            Quote: 30143
            And those who have learned there already look very different.

            This is true. "To defeat a powerful enemy, raise his children." And for this reason it is necessary to go and vote for amendments, for sovereignty.

            Quote: 30143
            Therefore, they sculpt the entire non-Russian world as an image of the enemy.

            I will express the Aesopian language.
            Once the shepherds divided among themselves flocks of sheep and drove them each into their pen. In order that the herd would not disperse, you need to convince them that behind the corral are enemies who dream of depriving them of pasture. When the shepherd’s dogs are no longer able to cope with the obstetric sheep in the herd, then the dogs of the neighboring shepherds come to the rescue. As a result, the herd is heaped near the shepherd, everyone who did not arrange for it is sent to the slaughter and life is getting better ...

            We are engaged in modeling not only us, but everyone else.

            Quote: 30143
            But, after all, ordinary people everywhere live the same. Everyone has the same problems ...

            So capitalism is everywhere, that's why they live like that everywhere, but it was not always like that. There was a time and prices reduced ...
            1. +4
              14 June 2020 09: 51
              Quote: Boris55
              we must go and vote for amendments, for sovereignty.

              Amendment prohibiting calls for the alienation of Russian territory.
              Article 67:

              b) adding part 2.1 follows:

              "2.1. The Russian Federation protects its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states) aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions, are not allowed. ”

              There are exceptions in brackets, so there is nothing to amend.
              1. 0
                14 June 2020 09: 54
                For reference, if anyone did not know and forgot.

                Amendments to the Constitution proposed by Putin:

                - Limit the priority of international law
                - Change the procedure for appointing the Russian government. The head of government, deputies and ministers will be approved by parliament
                - Change the procedure for appointing heads of law enforcement agencies. The President will appoint them after consultation with the Federation Council
                - Amend the prohibition on the same person to hold the office of president for more than two consecutive terms
                - Raise the residency qualification for the president of Russia from 10 to 25 years
                - Prohibit foreign citizenship and residence permits abroad for judges, heads of constituent entities of the Federation, deputies and senators, the head of government and ministers
                - To tighten this ban for the head of state: the president should not have a residence permit or foreign citizenship, not only at the time of election, but even in the past
                - Turn the Council of State into a constitutional body
                - To give the right to the Federation Council to remove from office the judges of the Constitutional and Supreme Courts. Such resignations will be initiated by the President of Russia for misconduct discrediting honor and dignity
                - To give the Constitutional Court the right to verify the constitutionality of federal laws before they are signed by the head of state. The president will initiate such checks.
                - To prescribe in the Constitution the mandatory indexation of pensions and the norm on the minimum wage equivalent to the cost of living.

                Who has a claim to them?
                All the rest is for EP (including zeroing), it was she who accepted them in three readings and took on the form of a law approved by the Federation Council and local authorities.
                1. 0
                  14 June 2020 10: 07
                  Quote: Boris55
                  For reference, if anyone did not know and forgot. Amendments to the Constitution proposed by Putin:

                  I read them.
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Prescribe in the Constitution the mandatory indexation of pensions and the norm on the minimum wage equivalent to the cost of living.

                  Well, the cost of living is made-up from a consumer basket, where, for example, 4 pairs of socks for 1,9 years rely on a pensioner. Probably, you can shrink up to a pair of socks a year.
                  1. 0
                    14 June 2020 10: 15
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    I read them.

                    Very well, and as I understand it, you have no complaints on this issue.

                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    and the cost of living make-up from the consumer basket

                    This is a different question. They will be in the Duma about Russian deputies, they will change the contents of the basket, and much more. So forward to the ballot box by voting, and if we want it to be as it is, then we are sitting at home.
                    1. +1
                      14 June 2020 10: 37
                      Quote: Boris55
                      Very well, and as I understand it, you have no complaints on this issue.

                      There is. However, I will not crush the water in a mortar, the amendments were adopted and approved by the Federation Council, there is little to do - it remains to sign. And then Putin decided to play democracy. While he is convinced that the majority of Russians support the amendments, he needs to be "approved." So fanfare is blowing on all channels, explaining to the unreasonable about the status of the Russian language, without affecting what it means
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, re-demarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states
                      ... And even if a great miracle happens, and Ellochka the cannibal draws "we do not approve", then Putin will ask everyone to treat with understanding. Voting is not a referendum and does not matter.
                      Quote: Boris55
                      and if you want it to be as it is, then sit at home.

                      I kind of explained that I did not see the main difference between the current constitution and the amended.
                      Quote: Boris55
                      They will be in the Duma about Russian deputies, they will change the contents of the basket, and much more.

                      And where did they come from our stupid, current, I can not imagine.
                      1. +1
                        14 June 2020 11: 37
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        And then Putin decided to play democracy.

                        Putin needs the amendments to enter immediately, not waiting for the next election at all levels.

                        We read the Law (http://www.kremlin.ru/acts/news/62988):
                        "... If according to the results of the all-Russian vote changes in the Constitution of the Russian Federation will support more than half of citizenswho will take part in it, the amendments provided for by the Law on Amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation in chapters 3–8 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, will come into force."

                        We are not voting on the changes. The Duma has already adopted them and enacted them in the form of a Law approved by the Federation Council and local authorities, so that they would take effect immediately after the publication of the voting results or not. The last word is ours. In my opinion it is quite democratic.

                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        And even if a great miracle happens

                        If yes, if she had a grandmother, then she would be a grandfather.

                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I kind of explained that I did not see the main difference between the current constitution and the amended.

                        If there is no difference, then why are the liberals screaming?
                      2. -4
                        14 June 2020 12: 07
                        Quote: Boris55
                        then why are the liberals screaming?

                        Putin does not squeal. He is reset to zero.
                    2. +1
                      14 June 2020 15: 45
                      "Very well, and as I understand it, you have no complaints about this issue with Putin."
                      is it about a pair of socks a year? no, no questions, I’ll say more, I am amazed at his generosity
                      "This is a question of a different order."
                      that is, la-la-la-the president’s question, and the number of socks per voter unit is a question of the Duma. And whose wishes does the thought fulfill at the click of a finger? Volodina, Kozlova, or Putin, after all? The owner must be alone, and he for his actions, inaction, he must be accountable to the law and to the people, without shifting his responsibility onto the shoulders of others - the State Duma, the Federation Council, the State Council, etc.
                2. +2
                  14 June 2020 15: 36
                  "Prescribe in the Constitution a mandatory indexation of pensions and a norm on the minimum wage equal to the subsistence level."
                  directly write there specific numbers, or streamlined phrases, such as the size of inflation?
                  "To empower the Constitutional Court to review the constitutionality of federal laws before they are signed by the head of state."
                  and now they don’t check these laws? or just spelling?
                  "Convert the State Council into a constitutional body"
                  a muddy body that has existed without much sense has been called constitutional for 20 years, and then everything will turn around, it will work
                  "To give the right to the Federation Council to dismiss judges of the Constitutional and Supreme Courts."
                  and he still has this right, however, the number of reasons for the imprisonment has been significantly reduced since 2005. but they are not invited to increase
                  "Limit the priority of international law"
                  not to exchange, as the patriots shout here, but to limit. And you can limit it in different ways. well, and so on. and ep takes great care of his existence, even the president is ready to throw sweets if he doesn’t stop feeding her
                3. +1
                  17 June 2020 13: 22
                  You're right! EP did this so that they shouted about zeroing from each iron and took the conversation away from discussing the importance of amendments in order to prevent more people from voting. So that they are now shouting interestingly, if not for the amendment about Putin, how would they call him names?
    3. -2
      14 June 2020 12: 28
      July 1 - I vote for the amendments, for the sovereignty of Russia.
      ... I understand you correctly, at the moment Russia does not have sovereignty, and if it is not, does it depend on someone or is it a colony?
      1. +2
        14 June 2020 17: 33
        The question is posed correctly, in the world there is only one sovereign and one decision center around which everything revolves, but the first of July is still far from sovereignty.
        This is the first step and the beginning of discussion in society on what foundation our society and state are built.
        https://youtu.be/6Vv7KeEpyz8
        https://youtu.be/108yQSunVrI
        https://youtu.be/0KvBJajVRHo
  31. +3
    14 June 2020 08: 25
    And the lemons "fell in price" right up to 100.99. Everything for us ... gentlemen, voters.
    1. +1
      14 June 2020 12: 29
      Yeah, the lemon rate is falling ... laughing
      1. 0
        14 June 2020 20: 39
        Nothing wrong. After July 1st, it will jump.
  32. +13
    14 June 2020 08: 30
    Letter (s) of the offended person ...
    Not everywhere is the story going on in social networks, some where else with legs, pens, a head you need to work!
    Let’s go the textbooks read something, what to bark and smear the snot here .....
  33. -8
    14 June 2020 08: 35
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    It is clear that the main one is the 81st article of the old Constitution, that is, zeroing.

    If United Russia, in the person of Tereshkova, had not slipped this amendment (a pig), what would the entire "progressive" public rattle about? Does anyone else believe that Putin and United Russia are united?

    My personal opinion is that there should not be any restrictions on the length of stay, subject to a clear and enforceable right of voters to remove the negligent leader of all levels of government.

    A simple example.
    If you have a toothache. You will go to whom - a young doctor who has just graduated from a university or a doctor of pre-retirement age. I am sure that everyone will prefer an experienced doctor. So why when the health of all of us depends on the manager of the highest level, do we (some) prefer the young? Where does such irresponsibility come from?

    I am very sorry that Putin will not take advantage of this amendment, although humanly I understand him.

    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    The fact that she is somewhat different from our expectations ...

    The social system, and this is exactly what you expected, by the Presidential Decrees and the Laws of the Duma - does not change.

    Our dreams will always be ahead of our capabilities, and rightly so, but in order to start doing something, you first need to raise your ass and take the first step.
    1. +3
      14 June 2020 10: 39
      Quote: Boris55
      So why when the health of all of us depends on the manager of the highest level, do we (some) prefer the young? Where does such irresponsibility come from?

      Where did you get this? We need a competent manager of the highest level who does not transfer “screwed up” officials of the highest level from chair to chair, but points them to the door. We need a decent manager of the highest rank, who, if he gives a word (promise), holds it and fulfills it on time. We need an honest manager of the highest level who does not wipe his feet on the great power that his "mentors" destroyed, does not say that she only produced galoshes for Africa. We need a person who is not afraid to leave the public post, because 76,7% of voters “love and respect him”. We need a manager of the highest level who knows life and understands that it is impossible to live in our country on a minimum wage of 12 130 and a pension in the amount of (average) about 15 000.
      By the way, why did your idol not live with an old experienced wife who gave birth to two daughters? And here you strive for us to plant the idea of ​​sturgeon of the second freshness.
      1. -1
        14 June 2020 11: 20
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Where did you get this?

        From the article, a good obscene language yelling about not allowing a competent manager for the next term, and Putin is such. Remember from what swamp he pulled out a crumbling country. Look at our army, at our agricultural, on our authority in the World, etc. There are flaws? Yes, they aren’t only for those who knock on the keys.

        We still live according to the colonial, State Department Constitution. An attempt to change it at least somehow meets with resistance from the liberal public, realizing that they are being dragged from the Western feeder.

        Quote: ROSS 42
        ... you can’t live in our country on a minimum wage of 12 130 and a pension of (average) about 15 000.

        If you do not use drugs (alcohol, tobacco), if you do not register all relatives in your apartment and pay for all of them for housing and communal services - then it is quite possible and quite decent.

        ps
        My average consumption is 4-5 thousand for one. Housing and communal services for one ~ 2 thousand. Yes, I don’t go around restaurants and don’t pop black caviar. I do not starve and spoil my grandchildren with sweets.
        1. +2
          14 June 2020 11: 55
          Quote: Boris55
          We still live according to the colonial, State Department Constitution.

          It remains to find out who such a young and handsome served in the department of the mayor of St. Petersburg, who had a hand in this "colonial, State Department" constitution?
          Why did the right statesman not say this about the first term of his stay and did not say that we would go the other way, but identified his successes with the growth in the number of billionaires who came from Russia?
          Why can an ordinary Russian, “if you do not use drugs (alcohol, tobacco), if you do not register all relatives in your apartment and pay for all of them for housing and communal services”, can live, and an effective manager needs to pay millions so that he cannot “escape”?
          Why, as a result of coming to power, only the EBN board was evaluated “at its true value”, and the results of the Soviet era are presented as life in a concentration camp?
          Why is the population robbed by the Gaidar-Chubais reforms, the Kirienkov default and other liberal abominations, forced to listen to, see these people in full form and in the form of a monument, for incomprehensible merits?
          You do not tell me about your "bitter" fate, as if your patience is a model of life of a citizen of Russia. I am also not spoiled by classrooms and rides on the riviera. Why did the population of Russia stop growing in this “sweet” Putin era? This is the most important indicator of time.
          There are no more cases and problems left in Russia, except for discussing Efremov’s fate, voting issues and coronavirus statistics.
          Grandchildren buy sweets? This is nice, but nothing like sweets with palm oil, because they don’t sell cheap sweets made from natural ingredients in stores.
          1. -3
            14 June 2020 12: 36
            You, apparently, forgot about the Soviet soya sweets, just for the candy conversation. The result of the Soviet era is the collapse of a power that was collected for centuries, then with blood. Yes, there were many achievements, but judged not by the process, but by the result.
            1. +3
              14 June 2020 16: 10
              "You probably forgot about Soviet soy sweets"
              then there were soy and chocolates. it is now - "chocolate" sweets with soybeans - a common thing. in the Soviet era, the state of Russia was saved at least twice by the communists - in the civil and patriotic wars, and it was finally destroyed by the liberal democrats - Gorbachev, Yeltsin and others like them, who sold for cents of Judah. ​​What Chamberlain and Hitler could not do, did two simple Russian guys, communists in high positions. but the process is still underway, not all results have been identified
          2. -2
            15 June 2020 07: 51
            Quote: ROSS 42
            It remains to find out who such a young and handsome served in the department of the mayor of St. Petersburg, who had a hand in this "colonial, State Department" constitution?

            I wonder how it’s sideways and which hand he put to her? laughing
        2. +2
          14 June 2020 15: 58
          "We still live according to the colonial, State Department Constitution."
          it will remain so, with only 400 amendments
        3. 0
          15 June 2020 23: 44
          Quote: Boris55
          if you do not register all relatives in your apartment and pay for all of them for housing and communal services
          и
          I have one
          Yes, taken out of context, but ... I will not register my wife and children in my apartment, I will not pay housing and communal services for them, everything will turn out fine for one, let's say, and even my granddaughters will remain for study. Do you reject all your relatives? Selfishness, no? Therefore, muesli wins. For example, I have a bunch of relatives from current countries, the former USSR, I myself am from such a state. Spit on them? Kick out? They need registration in order to gain a foothold in Russia. They are Russian by nationality, upbringing and faith. Yes, we arrived, because it’s hard there. I can help you with what I can, but the minimum wage is 12500, or a pension of 15000 is not enough even for your rootless single-handed life. Your calculation, we consider from a pension of 15000 - 4000 (food) -2000 (housing and communal services - firewood, water from a well, splinter, huh?) = 6000. There are 9000 left. Even if you eat only one RPI - 350 * 30 = 10500. And that's it other? Air taxes -hzsk, phone / internet -1000 (or is there no connection?), Can I take sweets to my grandchildren?
    2. +2
      14 June 2020 15: 55
      "So why, when the health of all of us depends on the highest-level manager, we (some) prefer the young? Why such irresponsibility?"
      because in 20 years of his tenure in power, this old dentist has managed to do so many things that doubts creep in whether he is a dentist? or is it all like a proctologist ?. that's why people want another "dentist", not necessarily a young one, another. it has already exhausted itself, but does not want to part with the power, is ready for anything, even to replace the constitution, possibly repeated
  34. -5
    14 June 2020 08: 42
    The Dark Lord, strong ... One word - Liberal.
    However, what about those who oppose him? Who are they? Those who are for President Putin and his team? Communists, or what? No, they are ... liberals!
    How is it that everything is against the liberals, for Putin, and he is a liberal ...
    fool fool You are late with kin about ten years. Sands are 100% liberal. And Putin's team is still in its infancy, he is only forming it, "from what was." And the cinema, so he passed the KGB school for 5 and passed. recourse
    1. -6
      14 June 2020 10: 37
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      And Putin’s team is still in its infancy, it only forms it

      Turn on your brains. And what has the GDP been doing for 20 years if only now it forms a team? Unsuitability?
      Regarding the KGB, GDP is a traitor. Instead of defending his homeland (USSR), he went over to the henchmen to Sobchak. In short, the Vlasovite is a former officer, a former communist.
      For 13 years he became a colonel, it is not necessary to serve but to curry favor. Scouts illegal immigrants who worked in prisons for decades, retired colonels
      If he had any heroic episodes in his KGB career, now both the iron and the toaster and the television would tell this. Common Gray Clerk (Stork Leader)
      1. +9
        14 June 2020 11: 06
        Quote: Gennady Bogdanovich
        Turn on your brains.
        Do not turn on your own. There is nothing to turn on, judging by the avatar, everything is drunk. fool
    2. +1
      14 June 2020 18: 14
      Who is Sands? Talking head voicing the opinion of the owner. Or do you seriously think that he has an influence on politics? No one asks the opinion of parrots, so that there is nothing to do with his political views.
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  36. +6
    14 June 2020 08: 58
    From the point of view of a sociologist, freedom is a complex of rights and obligations. From the liberal point of view, freedom is permissiveness for them.
  37. +13
    14 June 2020 09: 06
    The author is so burned that he decided to take revenge. Liberalism has also brought it here. Do not replace liberalism with LIBERASY, which smells of extremism. Gentlemen "liberals", where are your deeds aimed at creation? We have already seen enough of the reformers from your camp. Or has your memory gone? Do not cherish yourself with the hope that you are the mind, honor and conscience of the nation. "Small spool, but expensive" - ​​well, this is clearly not about you. A completely different saying comes to mind))) All that we observe is continuous tantrums, stench and persecution of those who are not with you. Disgusting sight.
    And here's another thing. It is not worth, as it were, implicitly to withdraw from the blow of homosexuals, thus enlarging their few ranks. This will not bring you additional points (although it depends on how you interpret it). Well, our people do not like them, as well as the so-called "liberals", in principle.
  38. +5
    14 June 2020 09: 11
    There is one important detail in the whole history of amendments to the constitution ... That will have to be voted not on points, but on the entire package of amendments .. Maybe someone from the lawyers will tell me whether this is so legally correct?
    1. +5
      14 June 2020 10: 42
      Quote: lonely
      Can someone from the lawyers tell me so is it legally correct?

      When you put a signature in the registry office, then my wife is given both a mother-in-law and a number of different relatives. True, no one will force you to live with them in the same house.
      lol
  39. +7
    14 June 2020 09: 11
    Whatever the howl is on the Internet, the amendments will be adopted by a majority vote ....
    I will personally vote for! Yes, and many, too .. Now of course they will attack me, but I expressed my opinion hi
    1. -3
      14 June 2020 13: 27
      Quote: Karl
      I will personally vote for! Yes, and many, too ..

      Shake your hand. hi

      Quote: Karl
      Now, of course, they will attack me, but I expressed my opinion


      Thank God, Russia is a free country! Yes
  40. +12
    14 June 2020 09: 24
    Quote: Karl
    Whatever the howl is on the Internet, the amendments will be adopted by a majority vote ....
    I will personally vote for! Yes, and many, too .. Now of course they will attack me, but I expressed my opinion hi

    Of course they will. And the whole flock. Coordinated))))
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    2. 0
      14 June 2020 16: 17
      "Of course they will. And the whole flock. In a coordinated manner))))"
      Lord, who needs you? you have an overestimated sense of your importance, like that of young children. and I personally will vote against
  41. -5
    14 June 2020 09: 27
    First of all, the mind has lost the people. But at the same time willpower, courage and dignity! If he still pretends that everything will resolve itself. No citizens of Russia, this is not a ride. Now everything is adult. And it’s better to make a mistake in the matter (go and vote against these amendments) than to regret not done. If a citizen is not interested in these amendments, this does not mean that these amendments will not affect his life.
    In good luck, the door is open to the bold, and cowardice is the spirit of death! Fright - a natural instinct of the mind, and a coward, and bold fear met. But the coward - a humble slave of fear, and the bold - drove away his fear.
  42. -6
    14 June 2020 09: 35
    Voting on ALREADY accepted changes is something .....
    I would like to write that this is the land, the border, beyond which the chaos of the ruling elite will begin!
    But no. We did not notice the edges. And it was 2 years ago. When, without exaggeration, the whole country discussed the election results.
    When everyone shared one noticed strangeness: they say we all voted for TOGO, moreover, colleagues and relatives in other cities, but THIS won.
    How is it that we were surprised that TOGO had 14% (it was 11 by the evening), and this one had 68% ?.
    But our surprise did not go further than this fact.
    The result was the absolute confidence of the authorities that any result of any elections and votes is in her hands.
    The dissatisfaction of the electorate is only a light background that will not lead to anything.
    To nothing....
    So who is to blame and what to do?
    Well, it’s clear with the culprits, but what to do is more complicated.
    The ideal option is to raise your civic activity and transfer it from the smoking rooms, from the kitchens to the polling station.
    To suppress (even internally, for oneself) the already firmly driven postulate that everything has already been decided for us.
    And if we do not, the problem will not be solved by us, not democratically and with an unclear outcome for the people.
    it is necessary to us?
    1. -2
      14 June 2020 10: 08
      Quote: U-58
      Voting on ALREADY accepted changes is something .....

      We read the Law (http://www.kremlin.ru/acts/news/62988):
      "... If according to the results of the all-Russian vote changes in the Constitution of the Russian Federation will support more than half of citizenswho will take part in it, the amendments provided for by the Law on Amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation in chapters 3–8 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, will come into force."

      We do not vote on the changes, but that they would take effect immediately, after the publication of the results of the vote, or do not enter. The last word is ours. In my opinion it is quite democratic.
      1. -3
        14 June 2020 12: 10
        What Law did you mention?
        The law on amending the Constitution was adopted by the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation and signed by the president. That is, entered into force
        1. +3
          15 June 2020 07: 53
          Quote: U-58
          That is, entered into force

          Not that!
          I gave you a link to an official document and an extract from it.
          Go to the president’s website and read for yourself:
          http://www.kremlin.ru/acts/news/62988
  43. +9
    14 June 2020 10: 01
    Question to the author and other whiners, that is, you say that over the past 20 years it has become worse to live? People do not rush to Turkey and Thailand on vacation, new cars do not run between cities, planes do not fly, roads are generally rubbish, mortgages for young families are not 4.9, there are no discounts on cars made in the Russian Federation, they don’t pay matkapital from oil companies, only private schools are built and kindergartens and you have to work on 3 jobs to pay for it, parks and embankments are not reconstructed. Finally, laugh now that you don’t have to carry the fire of revolution around the world and that everyone will not be given according to needs
    1. +15
      14 June 2020 10: 23
      Enough of those who want Schaub was like TAM .... still do not want to accept, sho TAM is very different!
      A normal person understands that at home you need to do what you need, so our life here is getting better!
      And here, we also live in different ways, but it depends on us to a large extent ... because no one but us will not strive to change something, because we need to!
    2. +1
      14 June 2020 11: 27
      Quote: Rubi0
      Finally, laugh at the fact that you don’t have to carry the fire of revolution around the world

      And they need a revolution. It is she who is the goal of any revolutionary, and not at all something else.
      1. +6
        14 June 2020 18: 19
        The goals of the revolutionaries are very different from those of the bulk of the people. Do you need a revolution? So in our country, she does not come alone, but with the children: with devastation, famine, and even civil war. The revolutionaries fancied themselves with a cap on an armored car, although more often than not, they turned out to be a piece of meat in a ditch.
        1. +1
          14 June 2020 21: 26
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          The goals of the revolutionaries are very different from those of the bulk of the people.

          When a person fights for an idea, then they don’t give a damn about the people.
    3. 0
      14 June 2020 11: 52
      Who about what, and the enemies of the Communists about parasitism. Putin’s 20-year rule in the form of a graph is a triangle, when world prices for the export of natural resources rose — the economy grew in Russia, the quality of life of the people grew, demography improved compared to the 90s, when prices fell, the economy fell, quality worsened people's lives, their well-being, demographics have worsened, and the tendency is only that under Putin everything will be only WORSE for Russia and its people. And for this, for Russia and its people, the government and its paid propagandists.
      1. +5
        14 June 2020 12: 39
        Take a look at the forex chart of the usd / cad currency pair and how the canadian dollar flew when oil fell, even the ruble did not do such a steep peak
        1. -4
          14 June 2020 12: 42
          I wrote about Russia. What a maniacal passion the enemies of the communists have to "switch the arrows" from what you have done to the Soviet communists, to the West.
          1. +3
            14 June 2020 13: 18
            Well, it’s just the impression that you’re stuck in these very 90s and your well-being and demography = oil price. Maybe all the same it depends on the fact that the Russian Federation began to build its port for oil export in Ust Luga 10 years ago for oil tanks, which gave jobs here and not in the Baltic states, and then expanded it, which already pulled 50 thousand people to deploy a whole town. residents. Now there is already a LNG plant with deep processing and separation of useful fractions, and gas carriers were laid to it at the Far Eastern Star, which they also began to build 10 years ago. Even now you are sitting at a computer and using electric energy from the atomic energy that 10 years ago began to build. Denying all these achievements is simply stupid.
            1. +1
              14 June 2020 13: 25
              And WHAT in this your comment is in the refutation of my words? I’m about Russia, and you brought some minor particulars.
              1. +2
                14 June 2020 13: 31
                The main thing in my commentary is the value added in the price of the product and the multiplier effect in the economy. If for you oil transshipment to a South Korean tanker in the Baltic is equal to oil export through Russian ports on ships built in the Russian Federation, then the discussion is pointless
            2. +2
              14 June 2020 16: 33
              "Maybe it all depends on what the Russian Federation began to build 10 years ago for oil tanks own port for oil export"
              that is, to sell oil, get dollars, and put them into building a port to increase oil sales abroad? how patriotic is that
              The construction of an LNG plant with deep processing and extraction of useful fractions has just begun, and its task is to cleanse gas for China from all impurities. that is, China is pure methane, and nothing else, and all impurities, including harmful and poisonous ones, remain at home
              "your well-being and demography = oil price"
              I will say more, for us and for you they depend only on the price of oil, and on how much efficient managers steal or fall in love with the budget (from the same oil)
              1. +2
                14 June 2020 17: 03
                You are fundamentally wrong. 1 place in shipbuilding or oil refining gives 5-8 places in related areas. You look at the vacancies of the eurochem in the IT field, there you already need specialists with knowledge of neural networks and machine learning, and along the way chemistry to create neurons that predict equipment failure in factories , and this is not just the export of oil barrels. The same grain that spurred Rostselmash with its equipment and have already begun to implement unmanned combines. You don’t need all these technologies, or do you prefer to look at the achievements of Mask with its unmanned systems, how do you imagine the development of the economy? Will we plant a money tree and go to the accountant for the sn?
                1. -1
                  15 June 2020 11: 49
                  "Rostselmash with its equipment has already begun to introduce unmanned harvesters. You don't need all these technologies"
                  something very interesting in the Eurochem with neural networks is muddied, given that AI is only in theory, basically. and unmanned combines without AI can also only drive, but even if they implement something, I would not be happy - one robot takes work from one person. and in your opinion, the development of the economy is a frantic introduction of robots everywhere, and then only get paid? fortunately, this is still far
        2. +1
          14 June 2020 16: 23
          "Look at the chart of the forex market for the usd / cad currency pair and how the Canadian dollar flew when oil fell, even the ruble did not make such a steep peak"
          What do I care about the Canadian dollar and generally to Canada? your currency and your country, I understand, is closer than Russia, but we are not in Canada, we live here
  44. -8
    14 June 2020 10: 26
    The clause on canceling the term of the presidency is secondary. The main thing is to legitimize and maintain ownership of plundered objects of the economy. Putin is an accomplice in this crime and now he needs to be kept to death by the monarch so that he would protect his friends of billionaires.
    I don’t know how much Navalny stole. But Putin’s friends, billionaires (200 people) stole more than $ 300 billion from Russia’s annual budget.
    As you vote, you will live. The main thing is that then they did not consider themselves pederasts.
    1. +5
      14 June 2020 11: 40
      The inviolability of investments and private property is really important, especially in conjunction with the tax on withdrawn capital, theft is certainly evil, but even greater evil is that money goes abroad. If a person had the brains and charisma to make capital, it is better that he build a villa in Sochi or Yalta, this is a job for builders here and not Latinos in Monaco, he financed startups here and not the same immigrants from the CIS in a silicon valley. And looking at how much they want to take away and share around .... then the stump is clear, he takes it to where there is protection of private property
    2. +3
      14 June 2020 13: 18
      It’s funny. But they won’t vote, they won’t accept that something fundamentally for the people will change ???
      SYSTEM, CAPITALISM, and who exactly is his public person is already pf-e.
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  46. +9
    14 June 2020 10: 28
    We want, we want the Russian Republic to appear, let's say it will be the LPR and the DPR.
    1. +8
      14 June 2020 11: 14
      They should be taken together. Finance will leave the sea ... But our people and at least stop shooting ...
      Dill will be pulled into decisive and last and militias will go to the border of their Soviet borders ...
      We will accept there after referenda
  47. +1
    14 June 2020 10: 39
    Yes, the Kremlin calls this vote a “vote of confidence in Putin,” but trust in the president is one thing, and constitutional amendments, albeit proposed by the president, are still different.


    legally, everything is already accepted and lives on. Why then vote? - One person has a fad - to enjoy the "love of the people" before new achievements. As life has shown, not for the good of the people of the country. Therefore, we are preparing for the worst.
    July 1 is a very important day in the life of the country.

    I completely agree, do not be surprised who said "Yes" or remained silent
    1. +3
      14 June 2020 22: 08
      Amendments adopted, and voting needed for further future constitutional changes
  48. +4
    14 June 2020 11: 24
    In fact, there’s no point in discussing all the 400+ amendments
    And he did not "discuss" a single one. The author of the article simply does not like the adoption of the new constitution. I don’t like it! By itself. When people come up with such a set of "arguments", I see only one thing - manipulation. The author is trying to sniff something using the most shameful tricks "from the TV", which he attacked first of all. It is known who yells loudest "Stop the thief !!"
    1. +1
      14 June 2020 16: 39
      "And did not" discuss "a single"
      and you try to discuss 400 of them here? it will be a thing stronger than Goethe's Faust. and thick in all 6 volumes of capital. and, most importantly, why, if they are already accepted?
      1. +1
        15 June 2020 09: 14
        That's it, about this very, quite petty, manipulation I’m talking about. Bad corrections? Take two or three, give them an example and consider. Then the article would be interesting and evidence-based. However, either the author is paid little in order to work seriously, either he does not have enough brains for his money, or, horrified, he did not find anything to dig seriously! He understands that no one will support him, they just laugh, because the amendments themselves did not touch him.
        And instead of real arguments, this was the most, well, you too ...
  49. -1
    14 June 2020 11: 58
    The authorities and its paid propagandists hold us for idiots. Does anyone seriously believe that if the majority votes against the amendments, then the government will not change the Constitution? The Constitution is something that those who own the country undertake to implement, and does anyone seriously believe that after the adoption of the amendments, the enemies of the Communists will start to do something else than they did these 30 years after they captured Russia in order to create a system that would be beneficial only to them?
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    1. 0
      14 June 2020 13: 23
      C'mon, and before that it was not possible for all the arrivals from behind the hillock to calmly put down and not to bathe.
      They revoked the signatures of all conventions and other documents and let them apply them wherever they want.
    2. -3
      14 June 2020 16: 41
      "Against the introduction of amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, establishing the priority of domestic law over international,"
      and where did you see him, this priority? it was just about some restriction
  51. -6
    14 June 2020 12: 07
    There is a very useful technique - the “rule of the thirteenth strike”: if the clock strikes thirteen times, you should doubt all the strikes, and not just the thirteenth.

    If a person knows Rowling’s works only in the illiterate translation of the hack Litvinova (the shuttlecock will not let you lie), and therefore relies on the retellings of certain interested parties in the analysis of foreign sources...
    If a person is not aware that food packages were called not “rations”, but “orders”...
    If a person is sure that Mr. Putin is the Dark Lord at all free in his words and actions...

    ...then you should pay very close attention to all his arguments, taking into account the level of awareness he demonstrated, and even more so - to the proposed conclusions.

    However, the recommendation "Stop! Think!" always to the point. And if you follow it, it turns out that the voting was started not for the sake of all these countless amendments, but precisely for the sake of the very fact of voting.

    Do you really think that the purely decorative insert “preserving the memory of the ancestors who passed on to us the ideals and faith in God” was not made in order to force the progressive (but not willing to bother reading the originals) public to jump on board and rush to the polling stations to defend secularism? character of the state?

    Or did “defending the institution of marriage as a union of a man and a woman” have a different meaning than to excite another part of society, no less progressive?

    And that the notorious “zeroing” is designed for especially thick-skinned people who were not impressed by the previous horror stories is not at all in doubt.

    I noticed only two serious points (although I also didn’t delve too deeply into it) - a clear tilt towards a parliamentary republic and the assertion of the priority of domestic legislation over international legislation. I don’t presume to judge how important these changes are to our “elites,” but even if they are important, why such a rush?

    So the only serious reason for such a sudden amendment of the constitution seems to be the desire for the final legitimization of the coup d'etat of XNUMX.

    Apparently, the “tops” are completely satisfied with the existing system, and they want to exclude any possibility of revising it in the future - after all, whether we accept the amendments or reject them, the very fact of our participation in the vote will mean recognition of the current constitution.

    However, the question remains open - why now?
    1. -4
      14 June 2020 12: 40
      My opinion is why now. At a minimum, Putin, accustomed to his praise, does not want to be seen as a “lame duck” when everyone is already starting to discuss candidates to replace him, when the “elite” no longer perceives him the same way as before.
      1. -3
        14 June 2020 12: 44
        It would be a tragedy for him if they stopped talking about him.
  52. +6
    14 June 2020 12: 32
    Well, people have been told for a long time that the Garant is the main liberal, but they still don’t believe it. Here's your proof.
    1. +2
      14 June 2020 18: 21
      True, democrats call GDP a dictator. So figure it out whether he is a dictator or a liberal.
  53. +3
    14 June 2020 12: 54
    I have long noticed that many who operate with these “liberals” simply stupidly hammer on this word, without really going into the meaning, in some way this is reminiscent of the soldiers during the Decembrist uprising, who shouted “For Constantine and the Constitution!” thinking that the Constitution is the emperor's wife..
    You can love Navalny, you can not love him, but if you follow his activities for some time, it turns out that a person with non-state funds (sort of like donations, but then who knows..) works for our entire opposition (which works precisely for state funds) means), and has been for quite some time. The scale of theft from his investigations is frankly amazing and makes one think about the size and degree of filthiness of the “kitchen” in which all these cooks operate. If this is populism, then I don’t think that populism is greater than what we have been hearing from TV screens for a long time.

    As for amendments to the constitution, it seems to me that society has some amnesia about GDP. He has made fiery speeches more than once - and “Russia forward!” and the notorious “Putin Plan” and all this epic infographics in 2018 - absolutely EVERYTHING has already happened, we were promised everything. Now the promise has been reduced to school lunches and securing the inalienability of the country’s territories (!!!!), they have reached the point of intimidating society with this, as well as with the “blue threat”. The infamous “Vote or lose!” comes to mind. from 1996.
    20 years is 1/5 of a century. If a person with absolute power, whose party holds the majority in the Duma, did not have enough time to put the country on its feet, it’s time to think, maybe stop believing in all this and expect that he will learn to solve problems? All these changes to the constitution are literal, petty, meaningless stuff you boil into a document that is rewritten every 20+ years, according to, as it turned out, a completely optional procedure (without a referendum), en masse, within 7 days, remotely and without observers. So, in my opinion, to participate in this is to sign your own agreement with this farce and further belief in endless promises. I haven't believed it for a long time, and you?
    1. 0
      14 June 2020 13: 19
      That's right, Mr. Oba-Lieutenant!
      We believe and we will achieve it!
      You'll have to deal with your Asian Germans...
      We've been to Berlin three times... I don't want to go again... We feel good at home too
  54. -3
    14 June 2020 13: 00
    The main thing-preservation of the country, its safe and stable development, preservation of the people, which is ensured by compliance with the relevant adopted Laws..

    And “inflation, rising prices, falling incomes” have been a thousand years to this day and will continue to be for a thousand years,

    And every day they will fight with them, without finding a universal recipe
  55. +4
    14 June 2020 13: 42
    Me and almost all my friends (except for 2 particularly stubborn ones) and all our guys in the brigade will vote"VS", because we know that this whole operetta was started only to push through one single point, and we don’t want to receive after the next “elections” from the permanent “great helmsman of all Rus'” pensions from age 80.

    We definitely won’t live to see them!!! No. recourse request sad what


    And if this amendment does not pass, then the people will have a chance to SURVIVE!!!
    1. -7
      14 June 2020 13: 59
      Quote: Brigadier
      We definitely won’t make it!!!

      Vasek, why did you decide that voting “against” will add at least one extra spoon to your ration?

      l, - logic. The "foremen" are resting, I guess...
    2. -3
      14 June 2020 22: 17
      My friend, the IMF raised your retirement age, just as the WHO forced you to wear masks. This is the priority of international law. What does Putin have to do with it?
    3. 0
      17 June 2020 13: 39
      How will this chance come? He asked everyone he knew, smart guy.
  56. +7
    14 June 2020 13: 51
    “A lot of text” And not always meaningful.
    True, for some reason there is not a word about the ruble.

    How do you mean “not a word”?
    “Article 75
    1. The monetary unit in the Russian Federation is the ruble. Monetary issue is carried out exclusively by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. Introduction and issue of other money in the Russian Federation are not allowed.



    I’d like the milk package to have a guaranteed capacity: liter. Like before. And now there may be as many as you like. From 830 to 1000 grams.
    This is all, incidentally, provided by law. Which just doesn't work. Minimum wage, and who will abolish inflation? And how can its growth be envisaged by one line of the Constitution? Yes, everything is in the laws. Who knows in which and for how long they have not been working?

    Can you tell me what law guarantees a liter capacity? And isn’t inflation taken into account when indexing the minimum wage?

    In general, our state has fought poverty so well for 20 years that some have already found themselves on the brink of poverty.

    When I read such statements, the question immediately arises in me - what did we have in the 90s?
  57. +4
    14 June 2020 14: 03
    How excited we were! Well, they’ll reset the election period, and that’s good! We need to look at the future! For the future! It’s even good that the bourgeoisie are doing this! If everything is so bad in the country, then the coming to power of the “left” is inevitable, as is the “nullification” of the presidential term in a referendum! hiAnd then you just have to not let this pain slip away from your calloused hands.
  58. 0
    14 June 2020 14: 32
    Quote: Trouble
    Article 75

    Khodorkovsky's witnesses understand the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation like a pig in oranges.
  59. +3
    14 June 2020 14: 39
    Eco is banged up. winked Closer to the first of July, dancing with tambourines will begin. But it's all in vain. In troubled times, any constituent assemblies and defenders of homosexuals can only do harm. Unity of command is required.
  60. +2
    14 June 2020 14: 50
    The author signed up for free to oppose the amendments, he is all sincere, incorruptible - a knight in white armor. I typed a lot of letters, I wasn’t lazy, graphs, irony. Well done, nice try. Only the people are bad again. And the TV got in the way again. The only question is, if people are so easily zombified, why can’t opponents of the government zombify them? For the author’s information, television is now watched regularly by not a large number of the population, it has not determined anything for a long time, but the opposition cannot escape this image. Apparently it attracts very strongly, as in the song.
    1. -2
      14 June 2020 22: 20
      Are you sure it's free? All his articles are like this. Everyone leaves at 4 am, because he writes from a different time zone. This is a professional propagandist
  61. +3
    14 June 2020 14: 56
    Firstly, as always, when something is important for the Kremlin, like the 2018 elections, the holidays are cancelled. All supporters came out in unified formation. I didn’t even realize that there were so many sleepers on the site.
    Secondly, the dispute was divided among everyone. Some are “liberals”, those who know what they want or at least what they don’t want. Other “patriots”, their brains are pristine. They don’t bother their opponents with any arguments; if you don’t agree with the general line of the party, it means you’ve sold out. But here’s what’s interesting: for example, the “liberals” are against officials buying real estate abroad, against raising the retirement age, and against increasing social distance. And the “patriots” are doing well. Either they're stoned, or they're crazy about the open house.
  62. +1
    14 June 2020 15: 06
    Quote: Gardamir
    Firstly, as always, when something is important for the Kremlin, like the 2018 elections, the holidays are cancelled. All supporters came out in unified formation. I didn’t even realize that there were so many sleepers on the site.
    Secondly, the dispute was divided among everyone. Some are “liberals”, those who know what they want or at least what they don’t want. Other “patriots”, their brains are pristine. They don’t bother their opponents with any arguments; if you don’t agree with the general line of the party, it means you’ve sold out. But here’s what’s interesting: for example, the “liberals” are against officials buying real estate abroad, against raising the retirement age, and against increasing social distance. And the “patriots” are doing well. Either they're stoned, or they're crazy about the open house.

    It’s clear that you are for everything good and against everything bad. Patriots have a pristine mind, they don’t give arguments, but the opposition is all giants of thought, with a cloud of arguments, especially the shkolota that Navalny attracted. Your people are also bad, for some reason they don’t fall for your arguments, although you are all giants of thought. Wake up, look at yourself first, and then blame the people for something.
  63. 0
    14 June 2020 16: 01
    I really like Roman’s articles about historical aircraft and ships, written clearly, quite concisely, with good illustrations, interesting, with emotions and his own assessment of the author, sincere and fascinating. Almost always - unmistakable. Perhaps these are some of the best articles about aviation, of which I have read quite a few.

    But as soon as Roman starts writing about modern Russian politics, I want to turn away, close my eyes and ears, not see or hear THIS from HIM (judging by previous articles - a Russian patriot). Although his confused, hot, emotional, but unconvincing (for me) thoughts are liked by many, judging by the comments. I will have to comment, although I held back for a long time and did not comment on his previous political opuses.

    I don’t think he does this for money or intentionally, most likely these are his own thoughts and beliefs. I believe that this peculiar opposition of his, in my opinion, is due to insufficient knowledge and understanding of the situation: he was taught by the wrong people, read the wrong books, communicated with the wrong people. Happens. Not “Kolya from Urengoy”, of course, but the direction is the same.

    In this article, too, he is being sarcastic at the beginning. Westerners and homosexuals? It’s not scary and they don’t exist in Russia, it’s all TV that intimidates! Navalny and liberals? Navalny is not scary either, and liberals are Putin and his team! Not good. And there are good liberals who “Want to live well. It seems like for the people.” 400 amendments to the Constitution are practically a new Constitution. And the amendments are all necessary, which the Russians have repeatedly talked about before! But... there is great doubt, according to Roman, that they will make money. And the very one about nullifying V.V. Putin’s presidential term nullifies all the others: well, you can’t go vote for them! Moreover, in his opinion, there are many oddities around this vote: haste, opacity, packagedness, predestination, an attempt to “persistently drag the whole country into this vote,” the Central Election Commission is doubtful! “And a terrible question arises...” “It’s scary to even imagine.”
    And all this with a clever rationale, colorful pictures and videos.
    In general, Roman’s conclusion and call are clear: under no circumstances should you go to the vote and give Putin the opportunity to continue to remain in power. And the 399 amendments that Russians need... Yes, some of them are already being implemented, and THEY must definitely accept the remaining ones anyway! Somehow.

    I could be wrong, but for some reason I am sure that the majority of Russians will NOT listen to Roman and his fellow thinkers and will go and vote FOR the amendments. Although, apparently, VO commentators will now shower me with a brown substance and fill me with minuses.
  64. +1
    14 June 2020 18: 00
    If you vote against the amendments, then everything suits you. The amendments are a step forward. This is a struggle.
  65. -1
    14 June 2020 18: 03
    Quote: aglet
    "Of course they will. And the whole flock. In a coordinated manner))))"
    Lord, who needs you? you have an overestimated sense of your importance, like that of young children. and I personally will vote against

    Why are you so excited?)))
    You just need to be observant. Often here you can see whole crowds of libertines literally organizing covens.
    Personally, I don’t care at all about virtual fighters against the regime like you. In the same way, I don’t care about the minuses and local “titles”. The man complained - I answered (with some degree of provocation). You fell for it. So who are the little children here?))) Poor thing, I’m already preoccupied with the feeling of my importance)))
    When I think it’s necessary, then I’ll put in my two cents. At least you'll hit the wall after this.
    No need to be hysterical. How you vote is your own business. I don’t urge anyone at all, not only to vote for anything in particular, but in general I don’t even urge anyone to vote.
    1. -1
      16 June 2020 16: 49
      “The man complained - I answered (with some degree of provocation)”
      So are you here to create provocations? although when I ask, you yourself claim it
      “When I think it’s necessary, then I’ll put in my two cents. And you at least hit the wall after that. No need to get hysterical.”
      Well, don't be hysterical. and, your 5 kopecks are not particularly interesting to anyone, and even more so to me, you have an inflated sense of your importance - I already told you this
  66. -1
    14 June 2020 18: 05
    This is what is surprising: most commentators are not interested in the fact that the constitution was written for us in the USA and clearly not for us to live well, this should be discussed, and not about what amendments corrupt deputies are pushing in or resetting deadlines. The foundation of our society, and the constitution is the foundation, it is rotten and needs to be changed!
  67. +1
    14 June 2020 18: 23
    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

    I could be wrong, but for some reason I am sure that the majority of Russians will NOT listen to Roman and his fellow thinkers and will go and vote FOR the amendments. Although, apparently, VO commentators will now shower me with a brown substance and fill me with minuses.

    You see, Vladimir, Roman is not a figure who will be noticed at all in order to listen to him or not. So of course they won’t listen.)))
    To the question "for money or not."
    When a person makes poop for money or because he's just being a "useful idiot", it doesn't smell any better. But the fact that Roman is cunning (trying, in the sense) is visible to the naked eye in both of his opuses.
  68. -1
    14 June 2020 19: 00
    Quote: aglet
    "
    ...that is, to China - pure methane, and nothing more, and all impurities, including harmful and poisonous ones, remain at home...

    Cool thoughts)))
    I tried to imagine how the right guys, for example, sell some goods for export and add harmful substances to these goods that are used in production. And the waste goes there too))))
    1. -2
      15 June 2020 12: 28
      “I tried to imagine how the right dudes, for example, sell some goods for export”
      the right dudes sell goods under an agreement concluded with the buyer. and if it is written in the contract - aluminum, it means aluminum, without any sand admixture, some are especially correct, they even indicate the percentage of aluminum content. That’s how the Chinese pointed out - methane, without nitrogen, sand and sulfur, liquid condensates and water. And Miller was really itching to sell, so he signed the contract, he’s the right guy, no? But the plant is just starting to be built, that’s not at all a fact, what will be built - as it turns out, the right guy doesn’t have gas in the quantities for which he signed the contract
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  70. +2
    14 June 2020 20: 11
    The author has the right to write any nonsense, except for references to non-existent laws...
    “I would like a package of milk to have a guaranteed capacity: a liter. As before. But now it can be as much as you like. From 830 to 1000 grams. This is all, by the way, provided for by law. Which simply does not work.”
    Could you please enlighten me on what law? The packaging can be anything, it just needs to be clearly indicated on it... hi
    Further on the same level of the author’s personal wishes... request
    "And I'm sure that in Moscow everything is exactly the same." If it’s not a secret, what is the author’s confidence based on? on his stupidity? I don't see any other reason... request
    “And inflation, rising prices, falling incomes are such trifles compared to the fact that there will be no one to rule the country in 4 years.”
    everything is lost... bully I’ll chew on it for the author - our inflation has been ridiculous over the past 30 years... I haven’t noticed an increase in prices over the last 3 months - maybe it’s in Voronezh.. request Income yes. are falling - but the author forgot about the pandemic...
    but the transfer of power in a country like Russia is serious! I lived in the era of funerals of the 80s, I don’t want a repeat of Gorby, as well as a clown a la Ukraine at the head of the country...
    “Sense? Sense, we can say with confidence, zero.” curious, does the author remember the 90s or 00s? That's probably where his confidence comes from...
    And most importantly, what did the author want to say? the test contains only whining and meaningless nonsense request
    In my opinion, most of the amendments are reasonable, some are simply important... and the fact that not all problems of the constitution have been solved means that the best is the enemy of the good... hi
    1. -1
      15 June 2020 12: 35
      Quote: ser56
      I’ll chew on it for the author - our inflation has been ridiculous over the past 30 years...

      over the past 30 years, is it since 1990? The dollar in 1990 cost 1,65 re. how much does it cost now, do you know? that is, the ruble fell in price by exactly 42424,24242424242 times. I agree, inflation is funny. If you want, you can compare the prices of goods 30 years ago and calculate how funny inflation is
      1. +2
        15 June 2020 12: 43
        Quote: aglet
        The dollar in 1990 cost 1,65 re.

        1) and could you buy it at that price? bully
        2) The rubles were the USSR, not the Russian Federation... fool
        Quote: aglet
        I agree, inflation is funny.

        you are funny in pulling an owl onto a globe... bully By the way, I chewed further:
        Quote: ser56
        I haven’t noticed any price increases over the past 3 months

        say something about this? hi
        1. -1
          15 June 2020 12: 56
          "And you could buy it at that price?"
          quite when it was necessary. and in terms of prices over the last three months, they have grown, I haven’t really counted them yet, but they have grown, only for very significant positions they have remained in place, demonstratively. But then you calculate inflation globally, over 30 years, not 3 months.
          a little more about the dollar - “The commercial rate of the State Bank in April 1991 was equal to 1,75 rubles per dollar, and the black market rate was 30–33 rubles.
          On July 1, 1992, a free ruble exchange rate was introduced: at that moment, 1 dollar was sold for 125 rubles."
          “The dollar exchange rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation on January 15, 2005 was set at 27.9469 rubles” - this is already with the sun. now you know how much it costs, I won’t remind you
          1. +2
            15 June 2020 13: 24
            Quote: aglet
            quite when it was necessary.

            did you live in the USSR in those years? bully There was a sentence for currency speculation... hi
            Quote: aglet
            I haven’t really counted yet, but we’ve grown

            you are funny ... crying
            Quote: aglet
            a little more about the dollar-

            decided to run? bully
            1. -1
              16 June 2020 15: 47
              "Did you live in the USSR in those years? bully There was a prison sentence for currency speculation"
              lived, and lived well. After the abolition of the USSR, the term for speculation was also abolished, if you didn’t know-"Finally the article was repealed in 1994", before that there were some relaxations
              1. 0
                16 June 2020 21: 07
                Quote: aglet
                and lived well. After the abolition of the USSR

                so you wrote about 1990, and then the bucks in hand are an article if there is no paper from the State Bank about the origin request For example, I had rubles exchanged for levs right before the trip...
                1. 0
                  17 June 2020 16: 17
                  "That's what you wrote about 1990."
                  As far as you can see, I wrote not only about 1990. and the question was not about methods of acquiring dollars, but about the ruble to dollar exchange rate. don't go off topic.
    2. -2
      15 June 2020 12: 37
      “In my opinion, most of the amendments are reasonable, some are simply important... and the fact that not all problems of the constitution have been solved means that the best is the enemy of the good...”
      have you read them all?
      1. +1
        15 June 2020 12: 43
        Quote: aglet
        have you read them all?

        aha, I’m waiting for specifics from you - what you personally don’t like... crying
        1. -1
          16 June 2020 15: 50
          "Aha, I'm waiting for specifics from you - what you personally don't like.."
          I don't like it when they answer my question with a question. so, have you read them all?
          1. 0
            16 June 2020 21: 08
            Quote: aglet
            have you read them all?

            That's it, I repeat the question:
            Quote: ser56
            I expect specifics from you - what you personally don’t like..
            1. 0
              17 June 2020 16: 02
              "That's it, I repeat the question:"
              This is the second time I’m repeating my question - have you read them all, these amendments? don't go off topic, just answer
  71. 0
    14 June 2020 20: 51
    Quote: Brigadier
    Me and almost all my friends (except for 2 particularly stubborn ones) and all our guys in the brigade will vote"VS", because we know that this whole operetta was started only to push through one single point, and we don’t want to receive after the next “elections” from the permanent “great helmsman of all Rus'” pensions from age 80.

    We definitely won’t live to see them!!! No. recourse request sad what


    And if this amendment does not pass, then the people will have a chance to SURVIVE!!!

    I especially liked the phrase “except for 2 particularly stubborn ones.”)))
    All your guys... Yeah, we believe. The “guys” first need to obtain citizenship in order to have the right to vote.)))
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  74. 0
    15 June 2020 09: 36
    Yes, the main thing is not to seize power
  75. 0
    15 June 2020 12: 58
    And so too many believe. And believe in it.

    Only the grave will fix the hunchback...
  76. +1
    15 June 2020 14: 31
    I would like to ask: where are they, these hosts of pederasts who want to destroy your State?
    every ordinary Russian knows them unmistakably and will indicate where their headquarters are.
    If we have, then where do the FSB, FSK, Ministry of Internal Affairs, Rosgvardia and other terrible letter combinations look?
    no one will bite the hand that feeds.
  77. 0
    15 June 2020 14: 48
    Quote: aglet
    “I tried to imagine how the right dudes, for example, sell some goods for export”
    the right dudes sell goods under an agreement concluded with the buyer. and if it is written in the contract - aluminum, it means aluminum, without any sand admixture, some are especially correct, they even indicate the percentage of aluminum content. That’s how the Chinese pointed out - methane, without nitrogen, sand and sulfur, liquid condensates and water. And Miller was really itching to sell, so he signed the contract, he’s the right guy, no? But the plant is just starting to be built, that’s not at all a fact, what will be built - as it turns out, the right guy doesn’t have gas in the quantities for which he signed the contract

    Stop trying to get away with it. I’m still very interested in how impurities, including harmful and toxic ones, should go on a long journey to the buyer if he buys from you not impurities and other production waste, but a specific product with specific permissible content standards? And just as interesting, how does this relate to whether Miller is doing this or someone else?
    If you were in his place, you would throw away everything that poisons our lives to this dance)))
    1. +1
      16 June 2020 17: 06
      “If you were in his place, you would throw away everything that poisons our lives to this dance.”
      why did you decide so?. judge by yourself?
      “I’m still very interested in how impurities, including harmful and toxic ones, should go on a long journey to the buyer, if he buys from you not impurities and other production waste, but a specific product with specific permissible content standards?”
      We were talking about natural gas, weren’t we? So, in this gas there are a lot of all sorts of impurities, mechanical, gaseous, liquid, some are removed so that they pass according to “specifically permissible content standards,” some are not. The Chinese laid down very high requirements for product quality in the contract, which is why they decided to build this plant
      “And just as interesting, how does this relate to whether Miller is doing this or someone else?”
      Well, Miller gets paid like hell for leading Gazprom
      "Stop trying to get away with it"
      I’m not trying to get away with it, I’m answering your questions. I understand that you don’t know all of this, or part of it, although it’s elementary. your affection for the construction of this plant speaks volumes about this
  78. +1
    15 June 2020 15: 14
    Quote: aglet
    Quote: ser56
    I’ll chew on it for the author - our inflation has been ridiculous over the past 30 years...

    over the past 30 years, is it since 1990? The dollar in 1990 cost 1,65 re. how much does it cost now, do you know? that is, the ruble fell in price by exactly 42424,24242424242 times. I agree, inflation is funny. If you want, you can compare the prices of goods 30 years ago and calculate how funny inflation is

    Are you unable to figure out what a person wrote about dynamics over a certain period of time?
    Now answer, follower of the dollar exchange rate, what is the direct relationship between purchasing power and the dollar exchange rate? Maybe you are still getting the same as in 1990, getting a salary of 150-200 rubles? I'll tell you a secret. The dollar has also depreciated in 30 years.
    It was in vain that they tormented the calculator
    1. -1
      16 June 2020 16: 20
      “Now answer, follower of the dollar exchange rate, what is the direct relationship between purchasing power and the dollar exchange rate?”
      the most direct one. Since everything that we sell is bought for dollars, over the hill, then, accordingly, it is also sold for dollars, through its exchange rate to the ruble. I’ll explain it especially for you - a dollar costs 30 rubles. a certain product costs 10 dollars, i.e. in rubles you will pay 300 rubles for it. Let's move on, our industry is successfully developing, our goods are bought all over the world, as a result, the dollar exchange rate has also increased, now it costs 70 rubles. you will now buy the same product, worth 10 dollars, for 700 rubles. and since your income has not increased by 2.3333333333 times, now you can buy exactly 2,33333333333 times less of this product than before. and it’s good if this product is pants or beer, but what if it’s a vital medicine? when the dollar exchange rate rises, purchasing power decreases exactly that much. I hope I explained it clearly? Just don’t say that we produce everything ourselves, in our country, in our factories, etc. even the little that is “made here” is made from foreign raw materials, ingredients, seeds, etc. True, purchasing power may also fall due to another wonderful invention of bourgeois bankers - it’s called inflation, but that’s another story
  79. 0
    15 June 2020 15: 22
    Quote: ser56
    Quote: aglet
    The dollar in 1990 cost 1,65 re.

    1) and could you buy it at that price? bully
    2) The rubles were the USSR, not the Russian Federation... fool
    Quote: aglet
    I agree, inflation is funny.

    you are funny in pulling an owl onto a globe... bully By the way, I chewed further:
    Quote: ser56
    I haven’t noticed any price increases over the past 3 months

    say something about this? hi

    This character only cares about slogans. When the time has come for justification, the comrade begins to swim... It’s scary to watch)))
    You are evil :)
  80. 0
    15 June 2020 16: 24
    Quote: Deck
    Since campaigning is prohibited, but information is allowed:


    I guess this is a bone thrown to him;
    and the circus was started for more SERIOUS ideas, we’ll see soon - though everyone has already heard about the register of citizens of this country, this is apparently the beginning...
  81. +1
    15 June 2020 16: 29
    If the opposition is so burned out, then we definitely need to vote FOR.
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  83. -1
    15 June 2020 17: 37
    from the author "If abroad, then what does the Constitution have to do with it if it is, so to speak, “for internal use""
    That is the essence of the amendments, to make the Constitution an internal matter. Putin will just run for office. wins the elections - that's where he belongs
  84. +1
    15 June 2020 19: 01
    Gentlemen, may I ask a question? Will any of you be upset if I vote for amendments to the Constitution? And any of the gentlemen Liberals (not liberals, not homosexuals and others, but Grefs, Nabiullins, Chubaiss and others like them)? And any of those who are pushing for Putin to retire, and Navalny (Khodorkovsky, Sobchak, Shenderovich, Bykov, Dudya, underline as necessary) to be president, for buggers on the central streets and prime time on TV, for children to learn that does it sound proud to be a pederast? And anyone from the US State Department? I think no.

    Then why go to shit like that? Why, in principle, Roman Skomorokhov, whom I respect, does all this? Do you really know something that I don’t know, namely: if the people vote against the amendments, then prices will collapse, and the oligarchs, who, as you say, still exist, will ask the state to nationalize everything that they stole and took from us ? Gentlemen, commentators who are against the whole team))), these questions are for you. You are a vanishingly small percentage, but how much stench, bile and crap you make...
  85. 0
    15 June 2020 20: 06
    Yes, I agree! It is better to retire at the age of 30-35. Full, decent pension!
  86. -1
    16 June 2020 11: 27
    “Maybe I’m wrong, and after the vote on July 1, prices will rapidly go down? Because everything will now be spelled out and guaranteed by the Basic Law?”

    Why these restrictions, why wait until June 1? At least one price has already gone down! Labor price...
  87. +1
    16 June 2020 11: 56
    Quote: Taga
    “Maybe I’m wrong, and after the vote on July 1, prices will rapidly go down? Because everything will now be spelled out and guaranteed by the Basic Law?”

    Why these restrictions, why wait until June 1? At least one price has already gone down! Labor price...

    Everyone has?
  88. -1
    16 June 2020 13: 26
    We are confident that we can
    What if the enemy comes,
    Then we will all rise to death too,
    That we are still a people.
    And the borders broke us,
    And the oligarchs got divorced.
    And they bought us for dollars
    And we were sold for rubles.
    We have traitors on the loose.
    And the one with the brand on his head,
    Celebrates birthdays at the Albert Hall
    And he lives best in Moscow.
    And there is no payment for the voucher.
    And in chocolate “You see...”
    We were just scammed, guys.
    Lied that this is our choice.
    We are above business and the market,
    We don't "buy and sell" at all.
    And a tricolor scarf
    Makes me sad about kumach.
    But with the Constitution of humility
    We, like Mumu, swallow the depths.
    And like the degree of humiliation -
    One to seventy rupees.
    And here is the sixth part of the planet
    It comes from the tray, inch by inch.
    And we are sure that
    That we cannot be rolled into asphalt.
    And we are greatly to blame for this,
    And we need to admit that
    That the enemy has come a long time ago, guys,
    And we let him into the house.

    Leonid Kornilov
  89. 0
    16 June 2020 14: 05
    Yaroslavna's cry. My dear, if this is just a release of steam or, say, a test of the pen, then it was not done badly. Easy to read. A sort of remake of the work of another liberal A. Radishchev, “Journey from St. Petersburg to Moscow.” But, if you seriously decide to tell the reading public something about itself, then your narrative does not stand up to criticism. Because that percentage of the total number of citizens who understand the true purpose of the measure to change the Constitution have well learned that the law in our gardens works much worse than a Samsung TV. And therefore, your excitement regarding the fate of the Fatherland is completely incomprehensible. Or did you really decide to run for president at 24? I would absolutely not advise you to do this. However, you know better, you are an adult.
    For everyone else, I would like to remind you of the following. When purchasing milk, be sure to check its expiration date, the integrity of the packaging, whether there is an indication on it that the product complies with GOST or TU, its gross and net weight. Otherwise, there is a high probability that in addition to a permanent decrease in your standard of living, you will also have all your vitality suddenly drained through the anus. Special thanks to everyone who found the strength to read my comment to the end.
  90. -1
    16 June 2020 17: 05
    Quote: aglet
    ...the most direct one. Since everything that we sell is bought for dollars, over the hill, then, accordingly, it is also sold for dollars, through its exchange rate to the ruble ...

    It's not good to lie...
    Do you think numbers with ten decimal places give you credibility? I asked you not to torture the calculator.)))
    Well, your logic fails. Yes, we buy something with greenbacks, but we also produce no less, receiving in return those same greenbacks as export earnings.
    At the same time, most production and labor costs are incurred in rubles.
    But you have a very distant relationship with industry, don’t you? You really amused people in previous posts)))
  91. -1
    16 June 2020 18: 05
    Quote: aglet
    “If you were in his place, you would throw away everything that poisons our lives to this dance.”
    why did you decide so?. judge by yourself?
    “I’m still very interested in how impurities, including harmful and toxic ones, should go on a long journey to the buyer, if he buys from you not impurities and other production waste, but a specific product with specific permissible content standards?”
    We were talking about natural gas, weren’t we? So, in this gas there are a lot of all sorts of impurities, mechanical, gaseous, liquid, some are removed so that they pass according to “specifically permissible content standards,” some are not. The Chinese laid down very high requirements for product quality in the contract, which is why they decided to build this plant
    “And just as interesting, how does this relate to whether Miller is doing this or someone else?”
    Well, Miller gets paid like hell for leading Gazprom
    "Stop trying to get away with it"
    I’m not trying to get away with it, I’m answering your questions. I understand that you don’t know all of this, or part of it, although it’s elementary. your affection for the construction of this plant speaks volumes about this

    Oh, how! Not only do you not understand what they are writing to you about, but you are also delusional. Aren't you tired of yourself? First, decide on the starting points and weight categories of the parameters that you take into account in order to build a logic for drawing conclusions.

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