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The invulnerable Poseidon: when weapons have no analogues in the world

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The invulnerable Poseidon: when weapons have no analogues in the world

Among the modern Russian weapons, the Poseidon multi-purpose submarine complex occupies a special place.


The importance of Poseidon for the defense of our country may be evidenced by the fact that for the first time the complex was presented two years ago not by the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy and not even the Minister of Defense, but personally by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Unique engine and its features


Some media outlets have already nicknamed Poseidon a “torpedo of the apocalypse,” although in reality it is not a torpedo, but an autonomous uninhabited underwater vehicle (AUV). The characteristics of the underwater vehicle are impressive: the speed under water is up to 200 km / h, as for the depth of immersion, it can be up to a kilometer. The "sailing" Poseidon's range will be 10 thousand km, that is, it will be able to reach the coast of virtually any potential enemy.

Unlike Russia, no other maritime power, including the United States, has yet to create a similar apparatus. One of the main reasons for the lack of analogues is the unique nuclear power plant used at the Poseidon. The Poseidon reactor is more powerful than all of the existing nuclear submarines, but it’s a hundred times more compact.

The transition between low-power and high-power modes in the reactor is 200 times faster than in the latest generation nuclear submarines, while liquid metal is able to withstand overheating without strong thermal expansion.


The layout of the reactor with a cooler on liquid metal

The ability to quickly switch the reactor power is necessary for the apparatus in order to quickly get out of the "creeping up" mode, where low noise plays the main role, to the cruising speed mode. This may be necessary when avoiding the attacking torpedoes of the enemy and enemy submarines.

Range will allow you to sneak up to the US coast


The ability to dive to a depth of about 1000 meters makes the Poseidon virtually invulnerable to torpedoes, even if it is detected. By the way, if we talk about the secrecy of the underwater vehicle, special attention was paid to stealth technologies during its development.

The main factors of the apparatus’s invisibility are, firstly, its small size, which makes it possible to reduce noise from water flow, and secondly, the presence of a noiseless cooling system for the LMT reactor. Since liquid metal is in the loop in the LMT reactors, it is driven by a magnetohydrodynamic pump. It does not have mechanical parts that can make noise, so the engine is silent, unlike nuclear submarines, in which a rotating turbine of the cooling circuit acts as a very serious unmasking factor.

The unlimited range makes Poseidon a threat to coastal cities such as New York and Los Angeles. The Russian Ministry of Defense describes it as multi-purpose weapon and suggests that it may also target US Navy combat groups,

- writes American analyst H. Sutton (HI Sutton).

The use of Poseidon, according to the expert, is capable of fundamentally changing the tactics and strategy of modern submarine warfare.

The absence of torpedoes from the American and British naval forces capable of hitting the Poseidon provides the latter with invulnerability and makes the Western fleets practically defenseless against new Russian weapons.

A blast off the eastern coast of the United States can cause a tsunami wave tens of meters high in addition to the damage caused by the nuclear explosion itself,

- emphasizes the publication The Moscow Times.

It is clear that the United States will inevitably begin to develop means of counteracting Poseidon, but it will cost a lot of money, says H. Sutton. That is why in relation to "Poseidon" today we can confidently say that it has no analogues in the world, no matter how battered this phrase may be.
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  1. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 11 June 2020 19: 53 New
    +6
    You, you're lying, he’s not! tongue Pictures of Putin ... lol And in general there is no this Poseidon ... drinks
    1. figwam
      figwam 11 June 2020 20: 13 New
      -9
      Putin will be able to keep a revolver at the enemy’s temple.
      1. a.hamster55
        a.hamster55 11 June 2020 20: 16 New
        +5
        Somewhere a dog doomed doomed ... It was getting dark.
      2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 June 2020 00: 21 New
        -8
        Are you talking about the Rosguard?
        1. DVR
          DVR 12 June 2020 00: 57 New
          +7
          Are you talking about the Rosguard?

          About you, dear, about you.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 June 2020 20: 18 New
      +6
      Quote: 30 vis
      You, you're lying, he’s not! tongue Pictures of Putin ... lol And in general there is no this Poseidon ... drinks

      One very important point should always be kept in mind. ANY weapon of mass destruction capable of destroying cities and continents is a WEAPON OF CONSTRAINTS, and not an attack or lever of pressure on the weaker ones. Poseidon, although a new type of strategic nuclear forces, but it is also a nuclear deterrence weapon.
      Today, they are already trying hard to introduce AI elements into our everyday life, so why do some argue that Poseidon cannot be?
      I will say more, I’m not at all surprised that over the next 10 years, for example, there will be types of weapons that about 5 years ago could be read only in science fiction novels. I won’t be surprised at all, because there are lasers already in service, there have been rumors about weather weapons for a long time, etc.
      1. Skotoboi
        Skotoboi 11 June 2020 20: 23 New
        -1
        Quote: NEXUS
        One very important point should always be kept in mind. ANY weapon of mass destruction capable of destroying cities and continents is a WEAPON OF CONSTRAINTS, and not an attack or lever of pressure on the weaker ones. Poseidon, although a new type of strategic nuclear forces, but it is also a nuclear deterrence weapon.

        That's right Andrew! Russia does not threaten anyone, it defends itself!
        When will all of them understand this at last?
        Or maybe really bang? to believe ..
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        2. Snail N9
          Snail N9 11 June 2020 21: 13 New
          -1
          “Smell” ... “Petrel” already “snapped”. I hope that barges with radiation have already been removed from Nenoxa? I'm afraid with Poseidon .... is it not so simple ... a metal carrier? Well, and how will they launch such a reactor? The metal carrier must be warmed up in order for it to circulate, that is, Poseidon must have a constantly circulating carrier, if it stops circulating and freezes, then everyone has “sailed” —how to start it back? I remember, for this reason, they wrote off a boat with a similar liquid-metal energy, back in Soviet times (or replaced the rector with ordinary water-water) ....
          1. Charik
            Charik 11 June 2020 21: 41 New
            +6
            Lira, in my opinion, was on the press
          2. avg
            avg 11 June 2020 22: 23 New
            +3
            Yes do not “Poseidon” to bang. I'm not crazy yet. A master class counter-battery fight to arrange. So that the subjects of Svidomo were afraid of tipsy shooting at people.
            1. DVR
              DVR 12 June 2020 00: 23 New
              +3
              Here Svidomo on the branch and on the site as a whole is full, and you all bang somewhere there. In the sofa so far it turns out to arrange a master class of counter-battery combat)
          3. Podvodnik
            Podvodnik 11 June 2020 23: 49 New
            +2
            how will such a reactor be launched?


            It’s hard to run, but you can. The problem is that the coolant must be hot all the time. Here, either the reactor should be threshed constantly, or externally heated with steam, for example. On such a product, an LMT reactor is not possible. Moreover, it is several times smaller than the existing ones on the nuclear submarines and at the same time more powerful. Article fake.
            1. DVR
              DVR 12 June 2020 00: 28 New
              -2
              And the NTP was canceled? Why did you decide that the LMC in the new reactor at the initial temperature is not in a liquid state?
              should be hot all the time

              What is hot? minus 20 degrees centigrade or +60?
              1. Podvodnik
                Podvodnik 12 June 2020 00: 37 New
                +5
                What is hot?


                Means higher than the melting temperature of the coolant.
                1. DVR
                  DVR 12 June 2020 00: 38 New
                  -1
                  Means higher than the melting temperature of the coolant

                  And what is it in this reactor?
              2. DVR
                DVR 12 June 2020 00: 43 New
                -1
                It’s hard to run, but you can. The problem is that the coolant must be hot all the time. Here, either the reactor should be threshed constantly, or externally heated with steam, for example. On such a product, an LMT reactor is not possible.

                You said it yourself. So what is the melting temperature of the coolant in the product under discussion?
                1. Podvodnik
                  Podvodnik 12 June 2020 01: 04 New
                  +1
                  . So what is the melting temperature of the coolant in the product under discussion?


                  If there is a product, then the information is closed. And so in the MMT-like bismuth / lead. In any case, not a room.
                  1. DVR
                    DVR 12 June 2020 01: 12 New
                    -1
                    then the information is closed.

                    Then why bother? Or do you really think that your knowledge of bismuth / lead a century ago is what is used in this reactor? You are apparently a very passionate person. As a designer of tanks - Rostik, remember? Make your cardboard reactor and try it out. Perhaps you will become a star on Ukrainian TV channels, not for long, though, but it's worth it. Photos are unforgettable, video.
                    1. Podvodnik
                      Podvodnik 14 June 2020 15: 31 New
                      0
                      Or do you really think that your knowledge of bismuth / lead a century ago is what is used in this reactor?


                      Have they really invented a metal with room melting temperature and suitable physical / chemical properties? Share the discovery. What is the number in the periodic table?
                      1. DVR
                        DVR 14 June 2020 18: 31 New
                        +2
                        Liquid eutectic alloy of sodium with potassium 78% K + 22% Na. Melting point - 260,5 K. According to the table, I think you’ll figure it out yourself.
                        Even if there were no such metals (alloys), or I would not know anything about them, I would ask the same question. Well, maybe rudely expressed, I apologize. I admit that LMTs with a melting point above room temperature are also used. With those compact sizes, and we can judge them based on the appearance of Poseidon (Petrel), nothing prevents us from realizing the heating of the entire volume of LMC, if it is used there at all, since the energy needed is substantially less than would have been required in the previously used reactors .
                      2. Podvodnik
                        Podvodnik 14 June 2020 23: 14 New
                        +1
                        than would be required in previously used reactors


                        Perhaps such an alloy has many negative aspects? Violent reaction in contact with water, difficulty in storing and refueling - contact with air is very undesirable or something else. Otherwise, why bismuth / lead was used on the “machines”? Really such alloys were not known before?
                      3. DVR
                        DVR 15 June 2020 00: 47 New
                        +2
                        Really such alloys were not known before?

                        The specified alloy has been known for a long time, the work went on as part of the space program, and the Topaz nuclear power plant was most likely heard. Read if interested:
                        https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/29489/
                        Here, many people do not like this site, but no one can say why)
                        Violent reaction in contact with water, difficulty in storing and refueling - contact with air is very undesirable or something else.

                        I am an amateur in this area, but I do not see in these moments intractable technical problems.
            2. Nehist
              Nehist 12 June 2020 06: 46 New
              +1
              From 190 Celsius to about 400 degrees. 190 is advanced lithium
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 13 June 2020 14: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: Nehist
                From 190 Celsius to about 400 degrees. 190 is advanced lithium

                There is such an indium gallium eutectic. May be liquid at room temperature. Does not interact with stainless steel ... as an example.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 13 June 2020 14: 58 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Mountain Shooter
                  There is such an indium gallium eutectic

                  Goss ... well, why so exotic? Wood's fusion is ours laughing
                  1. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 13 June 2020 14: 59 New
                    0
                    Quote: Golovan Jack

                    Goss ... well, why so exotic? Wood's fusion is ours

                    And that too ...
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 12 June 2020 06: 12 New
        +4
        100 times ...
        200 times! ...
        It has no analogues in the world! ...
        Then everything fell into place.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 12 June 2020 12: 28 New
          +5
          I agree completely. Especially this "pearl" -
          The Poseidon reactor is more powerful than all the existing nuclear submarines, but it’s a hundred times more compact.

          Or the author’s links to the "The Moscow Times" edition, what kind of newspaper is this?
      3. Egor53
        Egor53 12 June 2020 11: 35 New
        +4
        There is no need to preheat the metal carrier. The eutectic alloy of sodium and potassium has a melting point below 0 degrees Celsius.
    3. really
      really 11 June 2020 21: 57 New
      -11
      In the struggle for peace, is Russia ready to smash the planet?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 12 June 2020 00: 03 New
        +7
        Quote: really
        In the struggle for peace, is Russia ready to smash the planet?

        Well, it’s not yet carried? In the struggle for peace, dear, the Russian Empire, as after the USSR, and now the Russian Federation restrained all kinds of psychopaths, such as Hitler, who just wanted to smash the whole world to pieces.
        If you, for some reason, such as accentuated sclerosis, do not want to say that the USA and England, for several decades of modern history, have been waging colonial wars around the world, then there’s no need to scribble sarcastic posts, nothing . Moreover, the phrase, Torn out of context.
        I do not defend Putin, but I hate people who, like subcutaneous mites, see and write only what is beneficial to them.
        1. really
          really 12 June 2020 10: 14 New
          -2
          It sounded like this: We stand for the cause of peace, we are preparing for war.
          For some reason, you forgot to pay attention that, on the other hand, the USSR almost always turned out to be.
          1. a.hamster55
            a.hamster55 12 June 2020 10: 34 New
            0
            And it depends on which side to look. For my part, it’s enough to read the work of the Maydan people who are not angry.
          2. Nehist
            Nehist 12 June 2020 10: 37 New
            0
            In the USSR there was a slogan !!! - We need Peace !!! (Preferably All) By the way, it is quite a sound idea
            1. ghby
              ghby 16 June 2020 11: 06 New
              0
              Quote: Nehist
              In the USSR there was a slogan !!! - We need Peace !!! (Preferably All) By the way, it is quite a sound idea

              We need Peace, preferably the whole.
      2. STORM 12
        STORM 12 12 June 2020 00: 08 New
        +1
        push a little bit?
      3. meandr51
        meandr51 12 June 2020 10: 58 New
        +2
        It doesn’t work out differently ... The world rests only on a real threat.
      4. Sova
        Sova 12 June 2020 12: 56 New
        0
        And why do we need such a world if Russia will not be there?
  2. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 11 June 2020 20: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: NEXUS
    I will say more, I’m not at all surprised that over the next 10 years, for example, there will be types of weapons that about 5 years ago could be read only in science fiction novels.

    That’s what we’re talking about ... What will pop out, where will it pop out ... it’s impossible to understand ... For the world, a severe infection can suffice ... And hello ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 12 June 2020 03: 23 New
      +5
      Reactor Poseidon more powerful than on all existing nuclear submarines, but at the same time a hundred times more compact.
      Seriously ??? did not read further ....
      1. Svlad
        Svlad 13 June 2020 07: 20 New
        +1
        Similarly
    2. max702
      max702 13 June 2020 22: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: 30 vis
      Quote: NEXUS
      I will say more, I’m not at all surprised that over the next 10 years, for example, there will be types of weapons that about 5 years ago could be read only in science fiction novels.

      That’s what we’re talking about ... What will pop out, where will it pop out ... it’s impossible to understand ... For the world, a severe infection can suffice ... And hello ...

      Most likely it will be so, today's virus is learning and nothing more .. And most likely it will start this late fall winter in the guise of a second third wave ..
  3. Aag
    Aag 16 June 2020 21: 15 New
    0
    They started well. IMHO. Further, they grieved: to take even air defense, missile defense (sort of like leaders). But please, let's get closer to the ground, to our sheep!
    I live 250 meters from the headquarters of the Strategic Missile Forces. About air defense, missile defense: yes, there were classes with calculations, year 96 (Strela-M) ... In your opinion, is this normal? I remember (from the 010th Order) that the true state of alert, is the subject of state. secrets. But, one cannot infinitely believe that what is under the seven seals will save, in which case you (us).
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  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 June 2020 19: 55 New
    -11
    Better doomsday weapons weren’t used at all!
    Once created, responsibility will have to be borne by the whole world!
    1. vkfriendly
      vkfriendly 11 June 2020 20: 02 New
      12
      And why do we need a world where Russia will not be? V.V. Putin
      1. Skotoboi
        Skotoboi 11 June 2020 20: 27 New
        -11
        Quote: vkfriendly
        And why do we need a world where Russia will not be? V.V. Putin

        In fact, Russia restrained and taught the mind to all sorts of "Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler and other exceptional)
        We have great experience! Well, who's next ...?


        These are the things in the special forces of Russia !!
        1. really
          really 11 June 2020 21: 58 New
          +3
          Especially Genghis Khan, she taught for 300 years
          1. anykin
            anykin 11 June 2020 23: 02 New
            +4
            And still weaned.
          2. Podvodnik
            Podvodnik 11 June 2020 23: 59 New
            0
            About 300 years old tales. There is no material evidence. Neither the graves of the Mongols, nor the written sources of the Mongols, nor architecture, nothing at all. And all the tribute was gone. Where is any of the sent to the Horde? There is nothing. Some tales of German "scientists" of the time of M.V. Lomonosov.
            1. DVR
              DVR 12 June 2020 00: 32 New
              +1
              Some tales of German "scientists" of the time of M.V. Lomonosov.

              Koih M.V. Lomonosov, I must say, was not very welcomed and even protested.
              1. Podvodnik
                Podvodnik 12 June 2020 00: 41 New
                +2
                and even protested.


                And he broke his noses. And his like-minded, Russian scientists, were exiled to Solovki. They pardoned myself. Lucky to stay alive.
            2. really
              really 12 June 2020 10: 17 New
              -1
              Ie they took themselves to the full, burned the city, and attributed to the Mongols and Tatars?
              1. Nehist
                Nehist 12 June 2020 10: 41 New
                +3
                Well, let's put Saint Alexander Nevsky often resorted to the help of the Tatars, so that Vladimirov would crush some principality. Well, Ivan Kalita, in general, with the help of the Tatars, by the way, organized something like the Russian state
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan 12 June 2020 12: 45 New
                  -1
                  By the way, in the famous “Battle of the Ice” on the ice of Lake Peipsi, the Tatar-Mongol cavalry also fought on the side of Alexander Nevsky, who “broke” the Germans properly, and Alexander Nevsky was the “adopted son” of Khan Batu. Therefore, not everything is so simple in our history, even they write about the famous Kulikovo battle that it was an ordinary struggle of the princes over the Moscow throne, and not a battle of the Tatars with the Russians.
                  1. Nehist
                    Nehist 12 June 2020 14: 08 New
                    +2
                    Well, you bent your son ... He was Khan Guyuk as a twin if not Batu, he was not even Chengizit.
                  2. Podvodnik
                    Podvodnik 12 June 2020 17: 53 New
                    0
                    Therefore, not everything is so simple in our history


                    Yes, it is practically nonexistent. At school, the myths of ancient Greece were studied more than the history of our ancestors.
                  3. Podvodnik
                    Podvodnik 12 June 2020 17: 58 New
                    -2
                    they write about the famous Kulikovo battle


                    At the official site of the battle, not a single mass military burial was found. That’s the whole price of "history."
              2. Podvodnik
                Podvodnik 12 June 2020 20: 25 New
                -2
                Ie they took themselves in full


                Ours, after all, resisted, fired back? So where are the graves of the enemies of the Mongoloid type? Ammunition and war horses lost in battle? But there is nothing. Or do you say that our ancestors, like the French, "Paris surrendered without a fight"?
          3. rocket757
            rocket757 12 June 2020 08: 11 New
            -1
            You need to know the story. Russia was NOT then.
            1. really
              really 12 June 2020 10: 19 New
              -1
              It was Kievan Rus.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 June 2020 10: 25 New
                0
                Yes, yes, a bunch of specific principalities, in which they sat on their own with a mustache and no one else.
                Fragmentation has never led to good.
                1. really
                  really 12 June 2020 10: 39 New
                  +3
                  If pride is carried from those times, then the bitterness of defeat must also be felt from there.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 12 June 2020 10: 46 New
                    +3
                    They already wrote to me about the shame .... I always said that it is NECESSARY to KNOW the story, and not distort it for the sake of one or another ruler!
                    There were great victories, and there were terrible defeats. All this is our story.
                    The main thing is that Russia is .... at the expense of prosperity, I will not, but it has won its right to live as we need.
                    Everything is bad in liabilities (but do not forget), everything good is in assets (but does not boast about it). To live and work for the good of his homeland ... and to protect if such a need comes.
              2. Nehist
                Nehist 12 June 2020 10: 43 New
                +1
                Kievan Rus is not a state, they correctly indicated to you
                1. really
                  really 12 June 2020 11: 08 New
                  0
                  There was no dispute in this matter. Although it can be considered as an amorphous state, with a common language, and several centers of power, trade
                  1. Nehist
                    Nehist 12 June 2020 11: 13 New
                    +2
                    This is a dialectic! Take the first Reich !!! There generally land from France to Poland included but it was not a single state
                    1. really
                      really 12 June 2020 11: 22 New
                      0
                      And how were they designated?
                      1. Nehist
                        Nehist 12 June 2020 14: 11 New
                        +1
                        Holy Roman Empire of the German nation !!! This was the first Reich
                      2. really
                        really 12 June 2020 14: 57 New
                        -1
                        So the state was
                      3. Nehist
                        Nehist 12 June 2020 15: 35 New
                        +1
                        Exactly the same state as Kievan Rus or the Khazar Cogonate, you can still take the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth ...
                      4. really
                        really 12 June 2020 15: 56 New
                        0
                        Well, immediately burn the Commonwealth laughing
  • snake
    snake 12 June 2020 14: 47 New
    0
    Quote: vkfriendly
    And why do we need a world where Russia will not be? V.V. Putin

    Who did Putin mean by "us"? Your rich friends? They will do fine without Russia. Since they already have real estate with children in the West, and accounts in foreign banks.
  • DVR
    DVR 12 June 2020 00: 29 New
    -3
    Better doomsday weapons weren’t used at all!
    Once created, responsibility will have to be borne by the whole world!


    It’s better if you didn’t write it. Less shame on your head.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 June 2020 08: 15 New
      0
      For my shame, I always answer myself.
      1. DVR
        DVR 12 June 2020 08: 32 New
        -1
        Better doomsday weapons weren’t used at all!

        And what would happen if there were no doomsday weapons? All weapons of mass destruction, including Nuclear weapons are doomsday weapons. If it had been done before, then the Second World War would not have happened. This is what has kept us from the World War for more than 70 years. The death of tens of millions would have been if it had not been.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 12 June 2020 09: 16 New
          0
          Quote: DVR
          And what would happen if there were no doomsday weapons?

          A moot point. Too much discussion and little responsibility.
          They talk a lot, prove their point of view ... I accept only one point of view, BUT, we need to serve, to ensure peace for our home and the whole planet! This is an objective reality and my pacifist sentiments do not matter.
          1. DVR
            DVR 12 June 2020 10: 46 New
            -2
            Controversial issue.

            I will not argue. Your point of view, you have the right to it. For me, the issue is not controversial. Not for that all these missile defense systems were started. In conventional weapons, a big advantage is not in our favor. Decision centers across the ocean are just waiting for the start of a new world war. NF is the main deterrent.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 12 June 2020 10: 51 New
              +2
              You can think differently.
              It is necessary to act as it should. I am an old soldier, we did our duty, as our Motherland needed.
              Homeland above all .... everything, there is nothing to discuss further.
              1. DVR
                DVR 12 June 2020 11: 01 New
                -1
                You can think differently.

                Sorry to continue the discussion. The fact of the matter is that to think (and do) you also need to be useful to the Motherland. And not only at the "soldier" level. Some already thought up when they later cut the Tu-160 in Ukraine, destroyed the sweat that was created with the blood of millions. And then this Motherland did not become. I hope these do not make up their minds like that.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 12 June 2020 12: 05 New
                  0
                  Actions, considerations of TRAITORS does not make sense to discuss. They must be punished in all severity of the law.
                  Yes, we have few who answered for their misconduct ... this is stupid, it makes it possible for the next to do their own dark things ....
                  because some of those are already in full shekolada, and the next follow in their footsteps, hoping for the same result.
                  There will be no truth and order in the country until all the sisters are given earrings, those that they deserve.
                  The country is still half asleep, the people do not get dry and do not put everything and everything as it should!
                  It's time to wake up and move forward to the right goal.
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            2. Nehist
              Nehist 12 June 2020 15: 38 New
              +1
              In itself, nuclear weapons are not a deterrent, but its quantity is quite
        2. really
          really 12 June 2020 10: 07 New
          0
          Tens of millions died in WWII even without nuclear weapons, and WWII was lost unintentionally, and civilian on the territory of Russia .... so this does not prove your version, maybe consciousness has changed in large countries and forms of government
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 June 2020 10: 34 New
            0
            Then there was already an exhaust gas and a biologist ..... no one dared to use it massively, because the answer would be scary.
            Now the same thing, only the answer can fly not just scary, it will be an armahide!
            Because they do not fly .... scary, EVERYTHING!
            1. really
              really 12 June 2020 10: 46 New
              +1
              Roughly speaking, the machine gun Maxim put more people than atomic and chemical weapons, but just by fire and sword, mankind killed
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 June 2020 10: 58 New
                +2
                Mankind has come to that state that can destroy itself.
                I do not think that many people who think this situation is inspired.
                Unfortunately, there are brainless, possessed ones everywhere, and this also does not inspire.
                And at the expense of the machine gun, generally firearms, everything is true. He has a LONG and BLOODY story.
                The terrible thing is that with WMD, the application history may become short, but final for humanity.
                1. really
                  really 12 June 2020 10: 59 New
                  0
                  With a sigh, I agree
            2. DVR
              DVR 12 June 2020 11: 09 New
              0
              Because they do not fly .... scary, EVERYTHING!

              You confirm my words, and refute your point of view.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 June 2020 11: 54 New
                +1
                MY POINT OF VIEW, this is agreement with that part of humanity that believes that WMD is too dangerous and it would be better if it weren’t ... especially in such a quantity.
                What is the question then?
                Further, I pointed out that those who have such destructive means in their arsenal should have a super-heightened sense of responsibility !!!
                What's wrong?
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                2. DVR
                  DVR 12 June 2020 12: 07 New
                  -3
                  And laughter and sin, sorry. Does your inconsistency really hurt your eyes?
                  I wrote that there would be tens of millions of deaths if there weren’t WMD.
                  You wrote in response:
                  A moot point. Too many discussions ....

                  And then you write:
                  Because they do not fly .... scary, EVERYTHING!

                  Thus, you refute your previous thesis that this is a controversial issue. This is normal?
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 12 June 2020 12: 24 New
                    +2
                    I expressed my point of view and I am not going to change it and argue.
                    My military / civil service related to the so-called containment forces. I understand this and did what I should.
                    Do you see any contradictions?
                    There is a personal opinion, but there is a duty.
                    If someone, guided by personal motives, carries out sabotage, this is a war crime .... The oath is true! So we were brought up.
                    Everything else is verbal balancing act ..... it’s not interesting for me like me.
                    1. Partaktiv
                      Partaktiv 12 June 2020 12: 30 New
                      -5
                      Quote: rocket757
                      I expressed my point of view and I am not going to change it and argue.

                      that’s exactly what Viktor is doing .. There are more than enough haters of Russia and all Russian! Their tongues are sharp ..
                      Quote: rocket757
                      My military / civil service related to the so-called containment forces. I understand this and did what I should.
                      Do you see any contradictions?
                      There is a personal opinion, but there is a duty.

                      They promote bastards for revelations .. They know how!
                      Quote: rocket757
                      Everything else is verbal balancing act ..... it’s not interesting for me like me.

                      Nicely sent Victor hi They multiplied here exponentially .. (to see such an installation came by manuals from the CIA))))
                      VO has changed dramatically since 2015 .. hi
                      As if in a censor. not turned completely ..
                      PSWell, everyone will shoot me for it now. hi .
                      But the TRUTH said! soldier All patience and can not retreat ..
                    2. rocket757
                      rocket757 12 June 2020 12: 46 New
                      +1
                      Thank you for the good parting words soldier
                      They still don’t learn anything from us and cannot deceive the faithful. We were well taught, high quality.
                      Truth and Homeland are one for us and forever. soldier
                    3. Partaktiv
                      Partaktiv 12 June 2020 12: 56 New
                      -4
                      Quote: rocket757
                      They still don’t learn anything from us and cannot deceive the faithful. We were well taught, high quality.

                      Definitely Victor!
                      Quote: rocket757
                      Truth and Homeland are one for us and forever.

                      It was and is !!! Attempts to pick our souls are ongoing .. so that children and grandchildren are not given the code ..
                      They are waiting for the generation that remembers the USSR to die out ..?
                      We have children and grandchildren "gentlemen" ...
                      They can take revenge on all of you ..
                    4. rocket757
                      rocket757 12 June 2020 13: 12 New
                      0
                      That's right. Descendants are our hope, pupils. There is someone to convey and instill what was most important to us forever.
                    5. Partaktiv
                      Partaktiv 12 June 2020 13: 52 New
                      -6
                      Quote: rocket757
                      That's right. Descendants are our hope, pupils. There is someone to convey and instill what was most important to us forever.

                      Well, you have to tight and maybe you have to shoot ..
                      So they’re doing bastards here!
                    6. rocket757
                      rocket757 12 June 2020 13: 57 New
                      0
                      We are peaceful people, but we are able to protect ourselves. We will stand on that.
                    7. Kadum
                      Kadum 13 June 2020 10: 37 New
                      -2
                      Quote: rocket757
                      We are peaceful people, but we are able to protect ourselves. We will stand on that.

                      It always has been and will be .. The truth of gratitude is not enough for a long time .. Well, to hell with them .. hi
                    8. rocket757
                      rocket757 13 June 2020 11: 09 New
                      0
                      People remember! True, fewer of these remain .... but there is nothing to talk about politicians. Raccoon reptiles are looking only for their own benefit .... and there are a lot of soldiers now distributing, only on the other side of the parapet!
                    9. Kadum
                      Kadum 13 June 2020 12: 55 New
                      -1
                      Quote: rocket757
                      People remember! True, fewer of these remain ....

                      Alas, so .. Even judging by the site. hi Well what to do? The fight continues. As long as we dig in and shoot back
                    10. rocket757
                      rocket757 13 June 2020 13: 33 New
                      0
                      I have an important business worth shining on myself ... it's not here. So, the remaining gunpowder is spent where it will be more useful.
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  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 12 June 2020 04: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    Better doomsday weapons weren’t used at all!
    Once created, responsibility will have to be borne by the whole world!

    That you about the "Baby" and "Fat Man" very accurately, very rightly noticed.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 June 2020 08: 20 New
      -1
      Exactly. Those guys do not want to be held responsible, because the whole world is scared, that's why they have to create Poseidon, and therefore they have to remind them that they still have to answer, for everything!
  • g_ae
    g_ae 11 June 2020 20: 06 New
    +4
    The invulnerable Poseidon! Something a joke about the elusive Joe was remembered.
    1. Skotoboi
      Skotoboi 11 June 2020 20: 52 New
      -11
      Quote: g_ae
      The invulnerable Poseidon! Something a joke about the elusive Joe was remembered.

      It’s difficult to catch such things. They simply go to the bottom and wait for a signal .. can change location, etc. ..That's the trick!
      Even Sakharov offered such technologies, but too brutal ....
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 11 June 2020 21: 55 New
        +4
        Quote: Skotoboi
        Quote: g_ae
        The invulnerable Poseidon! Something a joke about the elusive Joe was remembered.

        It’s difficult to catch such things. They simply go to the bottom and wait for a signal .. can change location, etc. ..That's the trick!
        Even Sakharov offered such technologies, but too brutal ....

        What are the signals at the bottom of the sea?
        1. Crystal of Truth
          Crystal of Truth 11 June 2020 23: 02 New
          +1
          Putin will say she will start))
        2. Serg4545
          Serg4545 12 June 2020 04: 11 New
          0
          Quote: Vol4ara
          What are the signals at the bottom of the sea?

          In Poseidon, you can make a pop-up buoy (on a wire), which periodically (say once a day) can float to the surface and receive radio signals.
          1. sen
            sen 12 June 2020 04: 51 New
            +3
            Communication with submarines can be carried out by means of extra-long (wavelength of the order of kilometers) electromagnetic waves. Another question is whether the equipment of this connection can fit into the dimensions of Poseidon?
            The Radio Technical Center (RTC) of the Russian Navy “Vileika”, it is also the 43rd radio station of the 31st central communications center of the Navy (military unit 49390 of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation), located 10 km from the district center of the same name in Minsk Region, and 70 km from the capital. The Navy Vileyka RTC of the Russian Navy is an element of the combat control of the Russian fleet, carries combat duty on behalf of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces and the main headquarters of the Russian Navy, providing reliable radio communications with submarines on combat duty in the oceans at a distance of 10 thousand km. In particular, the station receives reports from submarines. The station’s capabilities make it possible to receive a radio signal from a submarine located in the Atlantic Ocean at a depth of 200 meters and from a boat in the Pacific Ocean at a depth of 20 meters. This ensures communication with nuclear submarines plying in the Atlantic, Indian and partially Pacific oceans.
            1. sen
              sen 12 June 2020 05: 53 New
              +1
              I forgot to specify the links. Some of them.
              http://www.rg.ru/2005/10/27/antey.html
              https://wikimapia.org/523096/ru/43-й-узел-связи-ВМФ-России-«Вилейка»-радиостанция-«Антей»-войсковая-часть-49390
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/43-й_узел_связи_ВМФ_России
              http://www.433175.ru/index.php?newsid=3642
            2. Podvodnik
              Podvodnik 12 June 2020 20: 39 New
              +3
              the station receives submarine reports.


              You are almost right. These stations provide the transmission of combat control signals to the SSBN. At the reception they do not work. On the service of the SSBN, they do not communicate, observing secrecy. Moreover, there is simply no transmitting equipment of the “kilometer” range on them.
              1. Simsimal
                Simsimal 13 June 2020 10: 51 New
                0
                You are right.
                And they could only accept "Yes", "No." The whole team was the 38th. In Vladik. Vladimir Onisimovich Karev commanded.
          2. really
            really 12 June 2020 10: 36 New
            0
            Imagine what the radio-magnetic background will be after nuclear attacks, and the communications center will probably be crushed first
        3. Shuttle
          Shuttle 12 June 2020 04: 42 New
          -2
          Quote: Vol4ara
          Quote: Skotoboi
          Quote: g_ae
          The invulnerable Poseidon! Something a joke about the elusive Joe was remembered.

          It’s difficult to catch such things. They simply go to the bottom and wait for a signal .. can change location, etc. ..That's the trick!
          Even Sakharov offered such technologies, but too brutal ....

          What are the signals at the bottom of the sea?

          Acoustic. Peak peak pee ....
    2. stalki
      stalki 11 June 2020 21: 13 New
      0
      Well, something like this laughing
      1. Simsimal
        Simsimal 11 June 2020 22: 00 New
        -2
        Is this a hint of having a middle class of 17 ty?
        Offset laughing
    3. DVR
      DVR 12 June 2020 00: 36 New
      -3
      The invulnerable Poseidon! Something a joke about the elusive Joe was remembered.

      No, you just think about yourself)
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 11 June 2020 20: 07 New
    +1
    In addition to the test layout, no one saw anything and the design features are classified.
    1. Skotoboi
      Skotoboi 11 June 2020 20: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: Vadim237
      In addition to the test layout, no one saw anything and the design features are classified.

      No matter how they unwound it for a revelation .. The main thing is that on duty there is basically all of the "cartoons" ..
  • Hwostatij
    Hwostatij 11 June 2020 20: 10 New
    +4
    Poseidon, Peresvet, Petrel ... It seems to me that Kiriyenko got a hero for a reason ...
    1. Skotoboi
      Skotoboi 11 June 2020 20: 42 New
      -3
      Quote: Hwostatij
      Poseidon, Peresvet, Petrel ... It seems to me that Kiriyenko got a hero for a reason ...

      Your Kiriyenko, Medvedev and Chubais, etc. sit in Russia with ticks .. And you can’t pick it out !!!
      But for now! hi
      1. really
        really 11 June 2020 22: 00 New
        -4
        About 20 years more and they themselves will leave
      2. Shuttle
        Shuttle 12 June 2020 04: 45 New
        -2
        Quote: Skotoboi
        Quote: Hwostatij
        Poseidon, Peresvet, Petrel ... It seems to me that Kiriyenko got a hero for a reason ...

        Your Kiriyenko, Medvedev and Chubais, etc. sit in Russia with ticks .. And you can’t pick it out !!!
        But for now! hi

        Well, Kiriyenko, you are in vain charging a liberal with one clip. From it, the bullet turned out to be just real and even quite lethal.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 11 June 2020 20: 14 New
    +7
    not everything is clear with the guidance system and target selection, along the coast everything is clear, but in the aug, and even from a depth of 1000 meters, her enemies do not see how she sees it?
    1. Operator
      Operator 11 June 2020 20: 38 New
      -6
      ACG sonar at low frequencies can be heard at a distance of up to 700 km.
      1. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 11 June 2020 20: 44 New
        +8
        you know, I’m not such a specialist in hydroacoustic, but your fables about 700 km are where you read it, but what about different water densities and other factors, temperature, salinity, accumulations of microorganisms, echo effects?
        1. Operator
          Operator 11 June 2020 20: 56 New
          -4
          Low frequencies (100 or less Hertz) nevermind the density, temperature and salinity of water, as well as the accumulation of microorganisms in water.

          30-50 rotor-propulsion units AUG with a total capacity of several Gigawatts on the go roar not childishly.
          1. Ryaruav
            Ryaruav 11 June 2020 21: 13 New
            +3
            so I do not argue howl, but I think the figure of 700 km is exaggerated
            1. Simsimal
              Simsimal 11 June 2020 21: 43 New
              +2
              It’s time to know Duchet that AVMA often goes outside the warrant, there are systems for distorting his “portrait”, and also uses traffic from cargo ships.
              In the best case, the boat will receive a bearing on some noise.
              AMG occupies an area of ​​150 by 150 km. Dyusha, as in the picture all together she never travels across the ocean, well, maybe in the mode of replenishing jet fuel.
              Dyusha, have you ever seen a living aircraft carrier?

              My photos.
              1. Simsimal
                Simsimal 11 June 2020 22: 03 New
                0
                Clearly .... I did not see .... Andryusha theorist.
                Then, the Indian Ocean 1982. I give.
            2. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 11 June 2020 23: 14 New
              +5
              In the real world, Andryusha is just a strange uncle whom neighbors are afraid of - what if at night the gas will open to the fullest, and will light a candle near his crib? Operators, they are.
              His comments are better to squander, at least out of pity for this man.

              In essence the issue. In reality, there were only a few cases when the sonar complex of a boat detected a surface target from several hundred km, but in such cases the error in determining the location of the target was measured in tens of km, and it was impossible to determine its course, which means that the approach cannot be calculated.

              For an independent attack on such a target, this information was useless.

              Of course, this task is beyond the power of the primitive airborne complex of Poseidon; do not take Andryushin’s writings seriously.
              1. Nehist
                Nehist 12 June 2020 06: 55 New
                +2
                Do not believe it! But even Andryusha has sensible comments ... Truth is such a rarity that I want to go right after the cognac. And the rest you’re right ... Instead of developing normal torpedoes, they ran into some kind of mephic Poseidon ... I wrote more than once that all the declared characteristics just stupidly will not fit into the case shown in the photo, pictures and video
                1. really
                  really 12 June 2020 10: 31 New
                  0
                  Then you are always sober drinks
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          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 11 June 2020 22: 27 New
            -3
            Why do you think in total, and not the loudest?
            Maybe everything at your conservatory is like you?
            Or do double speeds in your head when cars collide?
            1. Operator
              Operator 11 June 2020 22: 52 New
              -4
              Quote: SovAr238A
              in your head the speed of a car collision doubles

              Not in your bone marrow, however laughing
            2. DVR
              DVR 11 June 2020 23: 46 New
              -1
              Or do double speeds in your head when cars collide?

              Something is not entirely correct. And in your head, the consequences of a head-on collision of a traveling car at a speed of 50 km / h and a standing one (0 km / h) will be equal to the consequences of a collision of the same car (50 km / h) and traveling towards a speed of 300 km / h? Those. the relative speed of one object in relation to another is not taken into account at all? This is physics. Or, conditionally, a person or a stadium of people will clap their hands - do you think there is no difference? Which conservatory are you from? Examination, but it seems not so bad still. Can ukroobrazovanie? You at the Nobel, urgently.
          3. really
            really 11 June 2020 23: 08 New
            -3
            The words are beautiful, but in a workshop with a 440mW turbine, the noise level is 86 decibels, attention is paid to the question of how far it will be heard
            1. Operator
              Operator 11 June 2020 23: 15 New
              0
              You confuse a gas turbine with an underwater screw, as well as aeroacoustics with hydro.
              1. Nehist
                Nehist 12 June 2020 06: 58 New
                +2
                Hydroacoustics .... Sound is transmitted over even greater distances, only because of the significant difference in temperatures and heterogeneity of the medium, the exact location of the source is not possible
              2. really
                really 12 June 2020 10: 34 New
                0
                Young man I did underwater lighthouses, do not tell me tales
                1. Operator
                  Operator 12 June 2020 12: 39 New
                  -1
                  In what frequency and power range?
                  1. really
                    really 12 June 2020 13: 23 New
                    +2
                    12,5kHz so I know something about signal propagation, but if you are a knowledgeable person, then tell me for what purpose
                    1. Operator
                      Operator 12 June 2020 14: 26 New
                      0
                      Modern GAS operate in the range from 10 to 100 Hz.
        2. Simsimal
          Simsimal 11 June 2020 21: 11 New
          +4
          laughing
          Well Duchas is excusable, we are used to.
          Now a secret warrant officer will emerge from the ZGV, so he will enlighten us about aircraft carriers.
        3. Podvodnik
          Podvodnik 14 June 2020 15: 45 New
          0
          your fables about 700km


          No, it really is. It is possible to detect the AUG at several hundred km. Especially in the low frequency range. We once set up a GPAA (flexible long antenna) and from the area of ​​the Norwegian / Greenland Sea we “saw” the “Schashen” drilling vessel on our shelf somewhere under Novaya Zemlya. There were more than a thousand kilometers. He “drilled the bottom” and thundered on the floor of the ocean with his pipe. Only there was no sense. Neither classify nor use weapons.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 11 June 2020 20: 25 New
    +7
    What is this article about? A set of stamps, even though there is a drawing of the power unit! In general, much of what our armament specialists create has been declassified in vain.
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 11 June 2020 21: 07 New
      +7
      so Poklonsky is the author, he doesn’t have any other way.
      1. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 11 June 2020 23: 16 New
        +5
        Polonsky only laid out this scribble. And other people wrote it.
    2. vargo
      vargo 12 June 2020 00: 01 New
      +1
      Nevertheless, with the secrecy of a number of weapons, we have always been stricter than in the United States, where the advertising department often forces us to disclose a number of details for promoting the product. And, in this regard, I dare to assume that if you told something, then apparently this does not give the enemy anything, and the most important secrets are much more interesting. However, a quality bluff is not excluded, even though I doubt it.
    3. IC
      IC 12 June 2020 01: 28 New
      -2
      Declassified intentionally, for political reasons.
    4. reader65
      reader65 12 June 2020 04: 31 New
      -1
      And in English, the picture. Hero Kiriyenko painted at home.
      Ha ha.
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  • Dysindich
    Dysindich 11 June 2020 20: 28 New
    +7
    "... for the first time, the complex was presented two years ago not by the Navy commander in chief or even the Minister of Defense, but personally by Russian President Vladimir Putin ..."
    =================
    Smiled, comrade author ...
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 12 June 2020 13: 22 New
      +1
      Putin showed these cartoons on the eve of his election, so these cartoons were essentially his election program. And what of these cartoons is already entering the troops? That's when these Poseidons will have a hundred to stand on alert - I will scream loudly: Glory to the President.
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  • Leha667
    Leha667 11 June 2020 20: 29 New
    +8
    cooling turbine rotating
    The author, study a little materiel.
    And use normal terminology.
    Your knowledge about submarine nuclear power plants does not allow you to do any analysis, much less publish such articles.
  • Operator
    Operator 11 June 2020 20: 33 New
    -20
    In reality, the Poseidon fast neutron nuclear reactor, with fuel in the form of 40% enriched uranium 235 and lead coolant with a heat / electric power of 30/10 MW, is much more compact - its volume does not exceed 1 cubic meter.

    As for the performance characteristics of Poseidon: the cruising range is about 300 thousand km, the depth of immersion is 1500 meters, the speed range is from 0 to 200 km / h, at full speed the full electric mode is used.
    1. Hwostatij
      Hwostatij 11 June 2020 20: 35 New
      10
      Comrade, would you use heavy drugs ...
      1. Simsimal
        Simsimal 11 June 2020 22: 06 New
        +3
        So Klimov and Timokhin talk to him all the time
        Naughty Boy Dyusha request
        1. DVR
          DVR 11 June 2020 23: 51 New
          -2
          Did your dad call you when he was very punished? Why did you "get out of hand" like that?
          1. Simsimal
            Simsimal 12 June 2020 00: 40 New
            0
            Affectionately.
            I like him.

            I recommend "Poseidon Encryption"
            https://shoehanger.livejournal.com/530973.html#comments
            More interesting comments.
            There and his article is mentioned, was in. True, they believe that he did not write.
            1. Simsimal
              Simsimal 13 June 2020 07: 58 New
              0
              We take from Sutton the dimensions of Poseidon.
              In the form of a cylinder, l = 24 m = 79 fd = 2 m = 6,5 fV = pi * r ^ 2 * l = 75 m3 rho of sea water = 1020 - 1030 kg / m3. For neutral buoyancy, the weight of the entire filling is 76 t we solve in three stages1 The required power on the shaft Ps in shp and kWt2 Power installation in MWt3 W - weight of the EAhp - horse on the shaft. 1 kW = 1,36 hp Speed ​​100 knots from the federal media slidev = K (Ps / l / d) K = 25 for a circuit with one screw Substitute in knots and feet and get for this body power on the shaft for movement with 100 knots = 32864 hp = 24484 kW2. Plant efficiency, thermal efficiency nu VVR for PL = 30% nu VVR for LC = 33-37% nu HTGR (gas heat exchanger) = 40-50% turbine efficiency, nM = 95% We take boat VVR according to the form PMWt = shp (7,456e-4 ) / nuT / nuM = 83 MW.
              Power of electric power plants. We calculate according to the Kormilitsyn table, having thrown out a little, for example, a reserve engine, we obtain a specific gravity of 44 kg / kW. Explicit search with the weight of EU. The error is an order of magnitude. Space reactors promising for underwater applications do not fit in either mass or dimensions. The specific gravity there also grows with the growth of dimensions and the mass of the installation. But if you sort through the buoyancy obtained several times, you can neglect the dimensions to get 10 knots. For reference, Polmar gives such specific gravities for YAPPHTGR = 11,3 kg / hp American LMW = 15,9 kg / hp, hence the author link calculated the specific gravity of the power plant 705, etc. 29 kg / hp. and YAPPU 13 kg / hp.

      2. really
        really 11 June 2020 23: 09 New
        0
        It's still light laughing
    2. reader65
      reader65 12 June 2020 04: 35 New
      +2
      He’s drunk, bastard!
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  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 11 June 2020 20: 40 New
    0
    Containment? I understand I agree. The development of small-sized LMT reactors is undoubtedly needed. The horror story doesn’t hurt.
    But the decision to rebuild the 949 project into a Poseidon carrier is criminal. We already have a catastrophe with multipurpose nuclear submarines.
    As a result, we will have 2 Poseidons that are unique in their acoustic portrait, which is fundamentally wrong. From my point of view, Poseidon makes sense in exactly one case, if it can be transported on a Kamaz tanker, accompanied by a control machine, to be launched from any pier by an ordinary crane, and the gigantic torpedo can crawl out of the port or mouth of the river at low speed and from there go to the goal. Then yes it will be a weapon of retaliation.
    1. IC
      IC 12 June 2020 01: 32 New
      0
      I agree. If the carrier is on alert at a depth of 500 m, how will it receive a signal to use weapons?
      1. Operator
        Operator 12 June 2020 01: 35 New
        -5
        "Zeus - no, not heard."
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 12 June 2020 10: 42 New
      0
      Interestingly, gentlemen, the minusers, but essentially object? I'm purely curious ...
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      2. Simsimal
        Simsimal 13 June 2020 20: 05 New
        -1
        Cyril g ... yes you are also a snitch ....
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 20: 17 New
          -1
          You see, Semenov, I’m not doing this .... You judge by yourself ....
          I answer the insult either symmetrically or in the face
  • Tuzik
    Tuzik 11 June 2020 20: 45 New
    +6
    It’s time to reduce the phrase “there are no analogues in the world”, for example, a non-channel smile
    1. vargo
      vargo 12 June 2020 00: 03 New
      +3
      netanal sounds like a slogan at a rally of girls)) I like it, it will be remembered!
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo 11 June 2020 21: 02 New
    10
    The article left an unpleasant aftertaste - a lot of incomprehensible words, a drawing with terminology in English, nothing concrete.
    It seems to me, author, that you give me some game.
    1. IC
      IC 12 June 2020 01: 38 New
      +3
      By the way, about the English language. So the weapon is not secret if the information is taken from a foreign source. Or is it a fake?
      1. WayKheThuo
        WayKheThuo 12 June 2020 10: 16 New
        +3
        Humpty Dumpty pisses me off.
        You, author, damn wedge, write about OUR secret, which has no analogues in the world power plant, which largely determines the performance characteristics of Poseidon. And you, massaraks, attach to the article a description of the same installation from a foreign source.
        Okay. There are no our sources. Ready to agree - no. But you translate and sign under the figure - such as a schematic diagram, taken from here, translated by me.
        No, we’ll take it and snoop into the article anyhow what, anyhow like awkward.
        I am ashamed, author. I should be ashamed of you for such a pisulu.
    2. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 12 June 2020 13: 30 New
      +3
      It seems to me, author, that you give me some game.

      Now such “steamers” everywhere, in the store, they drive us in unnecessary goods, “right thoughts” are steamed in from the TV, so I want to shout: People, think with your own head, look for alternative information, do not believe, they will deceive you.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 11 June 2020 21: 05 New
    +3
    I certainly only!
    But give under water two hundred km / h !!! ..
    Well, what is there that you need to come up with in order to achieve such speeds, and even in the extremely hindering this environment.
    Well, on the contrary, to increase speed, we tried all the way to pull the ship out of the water. Methods of the dynamic principle of maintenance. Wings, airbag.
    The maximum of what we achieved is 45 knots. These are the titanic efforts of gas turbines, the tangible consumption of fuel and lubricants, of course, the most lightweight housing. Although for the military, this is of little interest.
    For the developments on the “Flurry” I heard. But this is not a coat at all. According to the manufacturer.
    1. Simsimal
      Simsimal 11 June 2020 21: 16 New
      +2
      "Cut sturgeon without waiting for peritonitis ...."
      The version already sounded that in the peeped sheet with a cartoon picture ... the comma is not there.
      18 km per hour
      1. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 11 June 2020 23: 18 New
        +8
        No, that's right. This thing will sink without lifting force on the body, and since it is cylindrical, the speeds are breathtaking.

        However, the project for today \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\EDEDED QUALITY) STATE OF THE PROJECT, however, all the deadlines for entering the test were disrupted, and more than once.
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 12 June 2020 07: 03 New
          +4
          Alexander! So, some physics was not studied at school, and by what methods is positive buoyancy achieved not only unknowing but not presenting
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 12 June 2020 16: 20 New
          -1
          The fact that they showed just a mass-scale model for testing - it has almost nothing that the AUV should have at the front wheels, propellers for lowering, lifting and maneuvering at least something similar
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 12 June 2020 18: 39 New
            +2
            This is not Poseidon.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 June 2020 00: 42 New
              -1
              This is its approximate appearance so it should look if it is positioned as an AUV in the form of a torpedo or something similar
              1. timokhin-aa
                timokhin-aa 13 June 2020 11: 32 New
                0
                Yes, n doesn’t look like that.
    2. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 11 June 2020 21: 47 New
      +3
      Well, they lied a little, are you sorry or what? Speed ​​for the product and not the main thing, by the way.
      1. Simsimal
        Simsimal 11 June 2020 22: 10 New
        +2
        And who is arguing? The main thing is good animators, oh July 1 they will have work ...
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 12 June 2020 07: 04 New
          0
          Good Pont is more expensive than money !!!)))
  • Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin 11 June 2020 21: 05 New
    +4
    make the Western fleets virtually defenseless against new Russian weapons.
    ? In fact, the fleet, as such, is not the goal of Poseidon.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 11 June 2020 22: 08 New
      0
      Yes, this is not the goal. Targets at his shore facilities
  • V1er
    V1er 11 June 2020 21: 14 New
    +7
    Did the Soviet Union save from the collapse of its nuclear missiles? Or was he defended by a huge European army? We need to look much deeper into the security problem, it is much more prosaic and simpler. And our enemies know this, and they will certainly hit there.
    1. Leha667
      Leha667 11 June 2020 21: 58 New
      +6
      Beat for a long time
      1. vargo
        vargo 12 June 2020 00: 06 New
        +1
        I think it’s getting worse, they just erode the concept of “enemy” for us inside the country, and our mess and conflicts themselves beat us
    2. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 11 June 2020 21: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: V1er
      Did the Soviet Union save from the collapse of its nuclear missiles? Or was he defended by a huge European army? We need to look much deeper into the security problem, it is much more prosaic and simpler. And our enemies know this, and they will certainly hit there.

      Nobody argues. But it was thanks to nuclear missiles that the Soviet Union fell apart, and not into atoms
      1. Podvodnik
        Podvodnik 12 June 2020 00: 10 New
        +3
        But it is thanks to nuclear missiles


        And there is. If not for SNF, we would be eaten.,
    3. DVR
      DVR 11 June 2020 23: 57 New
      -5
      Our enemies write comments here for days in an organized manner. And they hit there regularly. You wake up. If you looked at this thread did not see anything, then my words are in vain)
      1. Simsimal
        Simsimal 12 June 2020 00: 43 New
        0
        And ktozh made them enemies then?
        Someone got up early and went to bed late?
        1. DVR
          DVR 12 June 2020 00: 45 New
          -2
          Someone got up early and went to bed late?

          Yes, unfortunately, it was not us.
          1. Simsimal
            Simsimal 12 June 2020 06: 40 New
            0
            You are an interesting person.
            I’m sitting in Kiev, reading your comments and shaking my head. Vasnigdenet. These are the .....
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  • Sergey Valov
    Sergey Valov 11 June 2020 21: 23 New
    +6
    The liquid metal coolant is an insidious thing, it cannot be cooled, because then the AED kirdyk. The question of combat use immediately arises, especially in peacetime. The great swimming depth is, of course, wonderful, but when approaching the mainland you will have to swim up to anyone and here it can be spotted and destroyed. Third, to give electronics a huge charge to electronics only after making a decision on its use, it’s understandable why, this again raises the question of the principle of combat use - where to keep on duty, how to carry out routine maintenance, how to inform a potential adversary about its presence in combat on duty (otherwise the adversary will not be afraid).
    1. Operator
      Operator 11 June 2020 21: 48 New
      -10
      On a jam to shut down the Poseidon reactor - 300000 km (30000 hours at low speed) floats around the coast of the adversary and for disposal.
    2. really
      really 11 June 2020 22: 09 New
      +1
      Are the questions too right for the jubilant public VO
      1. Sergey Valov
        Sergey Valov 11 June 2020 22: 31 New
        +3
        These are questions of a well-read amateur, it is scary to imagine professional questions.
    3. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 11 June 2020 23: 19 New
      +4
      There is another type of reactor.
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 June 2020 16: 40 New
      -3
      There isn’t any liquid metal coolant there, most likely Rosatom created such materials and the design of the installation that can be cooled on its own without the use of an external coolant and become in critical condition in case of combat use. And this device will be used when the signal "Attention missile attack" as an element of the strategic nuclear triad comes to the SPRN console. Such a device will accordingly be kept on special submarines. The goals of the port cities are naval bases, aircraft carrier formations and possibly the acoustic control systems of the world Akian.
  • Valter1364
    Valter1364 11 June 2020 21: 24 New
    +2
    The most amazing thing is that the best minds of the human race always pay special attention to how to more effectively destroy each other. Will humanity have time for creation? I would like to live up to it. But this is more of a utopia than a reality. sad
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 12 June 2020 07: 06 New
      +2
      War is the engine of progress !!!
  • smaug78
    smaug78 11 June 2020 21: 24 New
    +6
    Take away Polonsky ... He is a very narrow-minded analyst ...
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 11 June 2020 21: 48 New
      +6
      He is NOT an analyst at all
  • KJIETyc
    KJIETyc 11 June 2020 21: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: V1er
    Did the Soviet Union save from the collapse of its nuclear missiles? Or was he defended by a huge European army? We need to look much deeper into the security problem, it is much more prosaic and simpler. And our enemies know this, and they will certainly hit there.

    Do you think from your desk that if the USSR hadn’t had nuclear weapons, it would have lasted longer? Do not tell only this to mattresses and the church, otherwise you will choke on laughter from your childish naivety.
    1. V1er
      V1er 12 June 2020 06: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: KJIETyc
      Do you think from your desk that if the USSR hadn’t had nuclear weapons, it would have lasted longer? Do not tell only this to mattresses and the church, otherwise you will choke on laughter from your childish naivety.

      Firstly - do not be rude. Secondly, where did I propose abandoning nuclear weapons and referring to their non-use? I just drew attention to the fact that nuclear weapons are not a panacea and there are things much more important. For example, ideology, a powerful economy, independence from the sale of resources and its own extensive production with many jobs, independent elites whose children study and are treated at home, the firm position of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, public education and a decent standard of living. You can cover yourself with missiles and Poseidons as much as you like, but this will not block or cancel those things that are mentioned above.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 12 June 2020 07: 09 New
        +3
        Moshnaya economy is the key to any victory, because war needs money, money and money again !!! A donkey loaded with gold will open the gate where the legions will smash their head (s)
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 June 2020 00: 45 New
        +1
        The USSR spent too much money and resources on the creation of 40000 nuclear weapons - when in reality there would be enough 10000 above the roof.
  • demo
    demo 11 June 2020 21: 43 New
    +4
    I have never said so, but now I’ll say it.
    I am 100% sure that this tool will never be used.
    Even as a last resort.
    The reason for my confidence?
    I'll explain now.
    Recall 2007 year.
    One guy from a country that lost in every way came to Munich.
    And this guy began to express seditious thoughts there.
    They say it’s time to reconsider one polarity and exit the hegemonic submission.
    Everyone understood everything.
    And hegemon, including.
    In 2008, a certain Mishiko broke the chain (this was so presented to everyone) and attacked South Ossetia.
    A man with iron eggs would have dragged him to Moscow for a chewed tie of this hmyr and would have squeezed everything out of him - who ordered that he was persecuted, etc.
    But a mediator from France came running and filled everything with oil.
    And then the hegemon realized - this subchik is too slender.
    You can crush.
    And what we see today is the consequences of rash words and unfinished deeds.
    If the one who possesses such a weapon, in the eyes of those against whom it was created, would have an appropriate reputation, then there would be no questions.
    And so all the empty talk.
    And I’ll say one more thing.
    Most likely, Poseidon is a bluff.
    But a bluff for American voters.
    Those. there is a game.
    But we are definitely the loser in this game.
    1. kot423
      kot423 11 June 2020 22: 08 New
      +2
      I am 100% sure

      what we see today

      You already decide, pour out your IMHO here, or decided for the whole of Russia.
      hegemon understood

      Oh well
      subchik too slender.
      You can crush.

      His strategy has made it so that an increasing number of countries puts "big and thick" on the "hegemon".
      would have an appropriate reputation

      Well, you recognized (because you did not take in quotation marks) "hegemon" had - and what? Russia lay down as their vassals?
      But we are definitely the loser in this game.

      You and others like you - no doubt.
    2. Simsimal
      Simsimal 11 June 2020 22: 14 New
      +2
      Convincingly outlined ....
      Well, cartoons with dropping blocks on Florida will fit for voters ....
      And what is there for Losharik and Nenoxa? Enlighten pozhzhzhzhzh ... Voters are worried ...
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 08: 42 New
        0
        And how is it with the rams of American destroyers at full speed in the middle of the ocean and with a large number of two hundred?
        1. Simsimal
          Simsimal 13 June 2020 20: 12 New
          -2
          Better to knock than to knock?
          G it is g.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 20: 19 New
            +2
            Semenov, you brilliantly just proved that you are a known substance, ....
            Do you have a hysteria?
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 11 June 2020 22: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: demo
      But we are definitely the loser in this game.

      I agree with every word. One to one .. That’s how it is in my opinion hi
    4. stalki
      stalki 11 June 2020 23: 07 New
      +4
      ....... But we are definitely the losing side in this game.
      My grandfather said: "while you are fighting, you have not lost." Maybe someone spied, maybe he came, as if to Berlin. I have repeatedly checked this conclusion in my own skin, it works. It is especially nice to put the last point when no one is waiting. Oily turns wink Apparently it's time for you, well, you get the point.
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 11 June 2020 21: 44 New
    +4
    since everything is so wonderful why not start using these technologies multi-purpose uninhabited submarines for patrolling, searching
    and escorting enemy ships and submarines?
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 12 June 2020 17: 36 New
      0
      But a similar question at my leisure visited me.
      Only a little in a different plane.
      Why not give ours, for example, a nuclear submarine (with diesel engines it is quite possible that such a number will not work) in the light of such developments, acceleration in the submerged position of nodes is so a hundred (for starters)? And as if "Poseidon" is not particularly necessary. And the technique is under control. A technique, such a technique ... It is necessary to watch and watch.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 June 2020 00: 51 New
        0
        Poseidons have submarines and can launch these vehicles only on the orders of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, as well as the entire nuclear triad in the event of a missile attack on Russian territory.
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 13 June 2020 18: 23 New
          -1
          Duck, no I'm not really talking about that.
          The carriers themselves, why not accelerate to extreme speeds, then? Well they love more, there is where to roam.
          Honestly ... I do not understand the idea ... From the word at all.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 13 June 2020 18: 30 New
            -1
            But on what carriers to accelerate for what.
        2. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 13 June 2020 18: 45 New
          0
          I’m talking about it.
          It seems to me personally for a moment it’s strange to use SUCH achievements in some “Poseidons”, God forgive me!
          All this secret "kitchen" has long been obliged to work on the nuclear submarine.
          After all, there are people! And it is people. SUCH now they do not. hi
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 11 June 2020 21: 54 New
    +1
    They can demolish intolerant monuments to racists in the United States and England. We must advise the protesters. Reliable, with a guarantee. And then they are like savages, crowbar and acid.
  • zwlad
    zwlad 11 June 2020 22: 13 New
    +2
    And it seems to me that Poseidon bred on a colossal scale, like Burevesnik. For minke whales, so that they frantically begin to create an anti-weapon.
    Although I could be wrong
    1. stalki
      stalki 11 June 2020 23: 16 New
      0
      And it seems to me that Poseidon bred on a colossal scale, like Burevesnik. For minke whales, so that they frantically begin to create an anti-weapon.
      Although I could be wrong
      You can, or maybe not. But most likely yes although god knows him? But what if? But then again, the map will fall. Well, what kind of swing are these, huh? wink Doubts gnaw here and there. From misfortune laughing
    2. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 11 June 2020 23: 21 New
      +6
      This threw up a budget for money, which has been going on non-stop for 36 years.
      1. reader65
        reader65 12 June 2020 04: 52 New
        -1
        How do they report on the work? For 36 years, the result was supposed to be? Not?
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 12 June 2020 07: 12 New
          0
          Like how ... As always ... There are all friends there and over a glass of tea .... You see ... I couldn’t but there is a breakthrough, still a little ... Give me money ...
        2. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 12 June 2020 18: 43 New
          +1
          It’s full of subtotals - they’ve launched and tossed the mock-up and showed the fragment on TV, they built one carrier, the other one was recently launched ...
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 June 2020 01: 01 New
        -2
        The real budget of the Ministry of Defense is to work on conventional torpedoes, expensive and slow and ineffective weapons are detected instantly, and even the carrier itself needs to be very close to the target to destroy it, the torpedo rocket is the future of all nuclear submarines, and classic torpedoes are physically and morally obsolete ultra-expensive garbage.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 08: 51 New
          0
          This is certainly not the case. Unfortunately, the so-called military professionals from the main headquarters of the fleet and other near-naval horns and hooves are guided only by this super-idea.
          slow

          50-60 knots is enough
          ineffective

          The probability of the removal of a torpedo by means of GPA, eeeee is extremely low. PTZ complexes of the Package type are a rarity today, and there are also insufficient ammunition on the Package.
          detected instantly

          Really at minimum distances
          the carrier itself needs to almost end-to-end to get to the target for its defeat,

          40-50 km, at such a distance with the discovery of modern submarines are big problems.
          The torpedo weapon is quiet and secretive, and moreover, from where the blow was struck, the enemy will also have to guess.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 13 June 2020 15: 07 New
            0
            Hydroacoustic means are constantly being improved, as well as countermeasures, for example, with the latest modification of the RUM-139 VL-Asroc anti-submarine missile, the destruction range is increased to 120 kilometers, respectively, and the submarine will be detected at such a distance by a speed of 50-60 knots in general - a torpedo having such a speed at a range of 50 kilometers will go 30 minutes during this time on a ship or submarine they will find it and take all countermeasures and have time to drive the teas. And considering that they have now begun to massively deploy AUVs to search for and destroy mines and torpedoes, tomorrow already these devices will be able to cover the ships and submarines from torpedo attacks by launching small-sized torpedoes or causing an attack on themselves by simulating noises or ramming an attack torpedo.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 15: 53 New
              0
              This is where you saw such Asrok at 120 km?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 13 June 2020 18: 35 New
                -1
                New modernization for launcher Mk 41 "In connection with the advent of the concept of network-centric combat, it is planned to increase the firing range by 4-5 times in the VLA-ER version due to the introduction of aerodynamic load-bearing elements. It is assumed that 90% of the armed VLA will be subjected to this modification. It is also planned to create a unified missile for ship and air-based CLAW. "
          2. Simsimal
            Simsimal 13 June 2020 20: 16 New
            -4
            Problems with informers ....
            With the identification of .....
            But by chance Cyril G ..... showed himself.
            Maladtsa. The real guard of dusty)))
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 20: 59 New
              +1
              You have problems with cockroaches on the walls and a squirrel on your shoulder.
              What did I tell you on Courage? - go to a special clinic, maybe it will help. Although unlikely of course. You have a breakdown of personality in the terminal stage.
        2. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 13 June 2020 11: 38 New
          0
          Well, tell me, how can a strategist beat off enemy’s submarines under the ice without torpedoes?
          1. Simsimal
            Simsimal 13 June 2020 12: 26 New
            0
            Alexander.
            He should not fight back, especially under the ice.
            His task is to HIDDEN exit, occupy the area and shoot back at the command.
            If it comes to self-defense. Then something is wrong with the security.
            The presence of POD ICE itself should have been a sufficient security element.
            But it was understood there.
            They were preparing seriously there, we have less seriously. That’s the result.
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 13 June 2020 18: 34 New
              +1
              Well, in real life you will have to fight off at least part of the boats. Even Ohio has a TA.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 19: 17 New
                0
                Have to. And therefore, adequate torpedoes are needed for both nuclear submarines and nuclear submarines, and besides, torpedoes for self-defense. And then, as it were, an expensive SSBN without adequate means of self-defense is nonsense.
              2. Simsimal
                Simsimal 13 June 2020 20: 25 New
                -5
                Alexander, Cyril g snitch. Like Andrew the operator, but I thought who drowns me constantly.


                Ask Klimov how strategists treat torpedo fire and torpedoes in general.

                And Ohio doesn’t go under the ice.

                A tata is a tribute to tradition, and last chance.
                1. timokhin-aa
                  timokhin-aa 13 June 2020 21: 24 New
                  0
                  Ohio does not go under the ice, because their patrol areas are in the areas of domination of their PLC, and the domination of the uncontested, real.
                  Nevertheless, even they need this very “weapon of last chance," if only because if the enemy decides to attack the United States, then the hunter-boat at some point can sacrifice itself for the sake of launching an attack, and even before losing the VD no one will try to dodge stealth.

                  And it’s not so easy to overwhelm Ohio, even one on one.
                  I know about ours.

                  I don’t comment on the rest.
                  1. vvvaunavi
                    vvvaunavi 14 June 2020 14: 48 New
                    -2
                    No need to comment, just know with whom and what ....

                    Well, you understand the idea. This is a system where everyone carries out his task.
                    Departure under the ice, like our attempts at an air-missile air defense system in a shallow water area, is from a lack of cash.
                    But then, with those forces and with air cover in Okhotsk there was only one for two boats.
                    Or one in Olutersky, but deep there.
                    According to the mind, the boomer burns ten times before going to the torpedo firing range.
                    A fable Dudko ..... well, a little pre-decorated.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 13 June 2020 15: 22 New
            -1
            The same rocket torpedoes in the likeness of a Flurry only in a controllable version and the same small anti-torpedoes as the NK Package. And the AUV with the same anti-torpedoes or explosives on board there are kamikaze air drones - soon there will be underwater drones and mines will no longer be needed.
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 13 June 2020 18: 35 New
              +1
              A squall does not work at 100 meters depth, its launch leads to a complete loss of stealth of submarines, small-sized torpedoes have a range limit.
              Are you tired of writing this?
              1. vvvaunavi
                vvvaunavi 14 June 2020 14: 52 New
                -1
                There was 40 hope for thermonuclear fusion. Without it, it's zilch.
                Let man live by illusions.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 15 June 2020 20: 40 New
                -1
                The pressure of the bubble collapses - this is another solution to the problem of more powerful gunpowder for turbojet engines and materials that withstand enormous water resistance. A flurry was created almost 45 years ago.
  • KJIETyc
    KJIETyc 11 June 2020 22: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: _Ugene_
    since everything is so wonderful why not start using these technologies multi-purpose uninhabited submarines for patrolling, searching
    and escorting enemy ships and submarines?

    As I can see from my sofa, this is an analogue of a cruise missile, it just floats under water on the bottom map. And from this sofa, the question is, how often do cruise missiles patrol and look for aircraft (in this case, an underwater “cruise missile” searches for submarines)?
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 11 June 2020 23: 21 New
      +3
      The answer is never. Well, this torpedo also can not.
  • sagitch
    sagitch 11 June 2020 22: 16 New
    -5
    What is impressive! It is impossible to create protection from his blow. And for something like that of the enemy, Russia does not have such a long coastline.
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 11 June 2020 23: 22 New
      +3
      There is protection against it, quite working.
    2. Nehist
      Nehist 12 June 2020 07: 14 New
      +3
      Is this not Russia’s long coastline? !!! Horror, to school, to teach geography! Our sea border is many times greater than the land
      1. DVR
        DVR 12 June 2020 16: 37 New
        +2
        Our sea border is many times greater than the land

        You are right, only unlike a potential adversary, we do not have developed infrastructure and megacities on most of this border.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 12 June 2020 18: 48 New
          +1
          St. Petersburg and around.
      2. sagitch
        sagitch 12 June 2020 20: 37 New
        +1
        My answer was taken from the language DRV, and geography, a solid five.
  • Neutron Retarded
    Neutron Retarded 11 June 2020 22: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Snail N9
    The metal carrier must be warmed up in order for it to circulate, that is, Poseidon must have a constantly circulating carrier, if it stops circulating and freezes, then everyone has “sailed” —how to start it back?

    You think in categories of 50 years ago. When they were afraid of catching a "goat" on a nuclear submarine with an iron-steel plate. Due to a very branched system. Now they are doing everything in the block, GHGs in one building with the core. Perhaps in conditions of reduced availability, 1 circuit is stored here in a frozen state. And for heating and subsequent circulation, built-in heaters are provided. It’s not a problem at all, having a carrier with an unlimited supply of electricity, and a metal coolant with a low coefficient of thermal expansion.
    .
    1. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 12 June 2020 00: 23 New
      +4
      It’s not a problem at all, having a carrier with an unlimited supply of electricity,


      The supply of electricity is unlimited if the reactor is running. As soon as he stops, there will be nothing to heat the coolant. It will freeze, not provide the heat of the zone. It will heat up with residual heat and melt. The result is a nuclear accident. After shutting down the reactor, it must be dampened. Solid heat carrier is not able to do this.
    2. Nehist
      Nehist 12 June 2020 14: 27 New
      0
      How do you imagine this ??? Where will this device have these unlimited sources? I wrote more than once that in this volume it is not possible !!! If you increase the displacement to 500 tons, at least almost everything they fit will fit there. And this is WWII submarine !!! Which will fonit whistle and shove on the ocean floor
  • Sergey Sfiedu
    Sergey Sfiedu 11 June 2020 22: 23 New
    +5
    Technically, of course, a very interesting product. As for there are no analogues - it seems like in the USA and Great Britain just the same approximate analogues are being developed, if they have not already begun construction. Although, to be honest - "this elusive Joe is elusive, because to hell no one needs." A waste of folk money. According to the criterion of cost / effectiveness, the product does not withstand any criticism. Both in the army and in the national economy there are a lot of holes where these funds could be invested with a big sense.
  • SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 11 June 2020 22: 23 New
    +2
    Oh my God...
    The author write to all of us how the peacetime duty mode will operate on the MMT reactor.
    And how will you bring the reactor to operating mode on the LMW in the conditions of combat alarm?
    And if there is no order to attack, then how will you return this reactor to standby ...

    This is for you to think with your head why it was so bad with MMT all over the world ...
    1. Simsimal
      Simsimal 11 June 2020 22: 34 New
      -4
      Yes, it is written, rewritten about it.
      They laughed, twisted a finger at the temple and calmed down ...
      No, great again.

      http://samlib.ru/s/semenow_aleksandr_sergeewich333/poseidon.shtml

      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 11 June 2020 22: 41 New
        0
        Semenov, you are not tired of changing accounts yet?
        1. Simsimal
          Simsimal 11 June 2020 23: 09 New
          +1
          Not sure....

          1. Simsimal
            Simsimal 13 June 2020 07: 47 New
            -2
            Moderators do not understand ...
            They said that the operator banged on me?
            Andryusha, ugly .... ugly Tyzh man ....

        2. Simsimal
          Simsimal 13 June 2020 20: 30 New
          -2
          And administrators have not got tired of knocking me yet?
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 21: 01 New
            0
            Semenov already caught cockroaches, rats, devils or sniffing dogs?
            1. vvvaunavi
              vvvaunavi 14 June 2020 14: 53 New
              -1
              I'm here.
              Get started wassat
  • Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 11 June 2020 22: 31 New
    +4
    We already have weapons that terrified the whole world! Mr. Potanin staged such an environmental explosion in the Russian North and the Russian Arctic, which is comparable to nuclear ground tests on environmental consequences. The oligarchy, sucking out the last of the Soviet legacy, does not just lay down timed land mines, he already sets mines that explode, shaking the ecology of not only the country, but also, it seems, the entire planet. If we take into account that the nature of planet Earth is alive, then the answer will not be long in coming. And viruses like coronavirus seem like child's play. And the planet will be right. So you don’t need any missiles, and so we will rake everything without them.
    1. Simsimal
      Simsimal 11 June 2020 23: 14 New
      +1
      There were interesting notes about a clogged pipe last year in Belarus ....
      ""
      "" I honestly don’t know what happened with the USSR. But things come up very unpleasant with current affairs. I heard an estimate of pollution of 5 million tons at a concentration of dichloroethane of 3000 ppm. This means that there were 15 thousand tons of dichloroethane in the pipe. If more clearly - 500 railway tanks, 10 heavy trains. With such numbers, explanations such as sabotage or negligence go through the woods.
      Obviously there was an injection into the strata, as the author of the blog writes, and obviously from some kind of krupnyak. And before that this was not done. At least in such quantities. And now they have arranged it. So it took.
      And if it was necessary to squeeze out dichloroethane, then the wells are already on their last legs. And most likely not just one field. And something tells me that this situation is well known to the government, and for a long time. Otherwise, why did you need a pension when the budget bursts with money reform, new requisitions for everything including country cottages, etc. ? ""
      1. g_ae
        g_ae 12 June 2020 06: 44 New
        0
        Wildly sorry. Purely for information. "Belarus" or "Belarus". I apologize again.
        1. Simsimal
          Simsimal 13 June 2020 07: 42 New
          0
          Pup.
          If in doubt, google.
          Big boy, it's time to know.
  • The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 11 June 2020 22: 49 New
    +3
    Something the author about the turbine in the cooling circuit, very wrapped))
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 11 June 2020 23: 01 New
    0
    Quote: kot423
    His strategy has made it so that an increasing number of countries puts "big and thick" on the "hegemon".

    It’s just interesting, list at least 5 “laying” countries, or better all .. And then I won’t know who they are?
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 11 June 2020 23: 24 New
      0
      Turkey, Iran, Russia, China. This is one of the big players, excluding all Syria and the DPRK.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 11 June 2020 23: 40 New
        0
        I won’t talk about us .. we are we .. I really would like to see the truth put a lot of countries on the “hegemon” and more .. but let's be realistic .. they’re afraid of “putting” the country, otherwise quickly sanctions, colored revolution will happen and the defense of democracy ..
        Syria put it on the United States and North Korea - it's ridiculous .. put it in the sense - didn’t get it for soup? and Syria thanks to us, and the DPRK in general is essentially not interesting to anyone .. Is this an achievement?
        And the rest straight put? or just not 100 percent in contact, but 85? What does "put" mean? just expressed an opinion - and is that already cool? And did that so that the minke whales did not get what they wanted?
        China conducts trade with might and main, excellent turnover, payments for dollars, if not clear - agree mutually.
        Iran .. well, here you are probably right in part .. only sooner they put whales on it, not Iran imposed sanctions on them and threatens with a blow ..
        Turkey .. only because of the S-400- put? not enough? But otherwise, what has changed? Everything is also a country of NATO .. ​​And indeed the debatable question is whether it’s good that they now have S-400 ..
        Or do you mean the voice just some filed their own, well, so between barking from the booth and grabbing the leg, the difference is great ..
        In general, based on the words to which I replied, “With my strategy I made it so that an increasing number of countries put“ big and thick ”on“ hegemony ”- is that all, do you really think is a consequence of Putin’s words?
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 11 June 2020 23: 46 New
          +2
          Turkey .. only because of the S-400- put? not enough?


          They thwarted Kurdistan’s independence declaration by force - killing American allies. Few? This had historical significance, if the Americans had declared Rojava's independence and recognized it, ending the Syrian war on conditions acceptable to Russia would have been impossible even in theory.
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 12 June 2020 07: 20 New
            +2
            Alexander!!! Nikdam does not need Kurdistan, neither Turkey nor Iraq nor Syria! Russia, by the way, doesn’t need it either, especially since the United States was a bluff
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 12 June 2020 18: 46 New
              +4
              Kurdistan itself is not needed, but the United States needs it as a tool for randomizing the region.
              And the rest needs to be gone.
  • timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 11 June 2020 23: 26 New
    +4
    And I misunderstood the writing of the "collective of authors", the material of which was published on behalf of Mr. Polonsky.

    What guys, they don’t give you as much money as they gave before, right? And it turns out like this.
    laughing
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 11 June 2020 23: 31 New
    +3
    And, they started again before the vote.
    Poseidon himself is not there, there are no boats yet, the explosion is less effective than the air, the ability to sneak up close is in question.

    But the "help" - right every day ...
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 11 June 2020 23: 46 New
      +8
      This is not the point, this is a public relations project team trying to get funding based on public opinion.
      1. Aleks2000
        Aleks2000 11 June 2020 23: 52 New
        +3
        IMHO, the loot for the project has long been allocated. And VO is hardly what it means here.

        A vote on the 22nd ... and here it is necessary to throw articles, IMHO ...
        It was also before the election of the EDR and GDP ....
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 12 June 2020 18: 41 New
          +1
          Loot spent a long time, it is necessary more. Under this periodically bursts of such articles. The last time was in the summer of 2019, when the test dates announced personally by Shoigu were disrupted.
          Saved the theme then by all means.
          As a result, they spent something there in the winter. But not in the planned volume.
          Now, apparently, either the leadership is heating up something or we need money again.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 13 June 2020 08: 56 New
            -1
            We sincerely wish these uh eccentrics the collapse of their plans ...
  • IC
    IC 12 June 2020 01: 22 New
    0
    Information without specifying the source of fiction or intentional throwing. The effectiveness of such a formidable weapon, it is pointless to discuss. After its combat use, as a first or retaliatory strike,
    humanity will be destroyed. Really, only as a deterrent.
  • Neutron Retarded
    Neutron Retarded 12 June 2020 02: 16 New
    -1
    Quote: Podvodnik
    It’s not a problem at all, having a carrier with an unlimited supply of electricity,


    The supply of electricity is unlimited if the reactor is running. As soon as he stops, there will be nothing to heat the coolant. It will freeze, not provide the heat of the zone. It will heat up with residual heat and melt. The result is a nuclear accident. After shutting down the reactor, it must be dampened. Solid heat carrier is not able to do this.

    On a boat carrying VVR. What will melt there? Its sources will provide electric, and maybe steam heating of iron-and-steel products in Poseidon. After the phase transformation of the metal into a liquid state, the torpedo’s nuclear power plant was launched and prepared for launch.
    The torpedo has no damping and residual heat removal. What are you speaking about? ))) It starts once. I think so all this.
    Or do you think that walking along the ocean several tens of thousands of miles is this miracle yudo coming back on board the carrier boat?)))
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 12 June 2020 07: 22 New
      +4
      And you ask the Operator! He claims to be back and how !!!
  • reader65
    reader65 12 June 2020 05: 08 New
    -3
    This whole 36 year project is a Jewish sabotage against Russia.
    All project managers must be shot.
    1. reader65
      reader65 12 June 2020 05: 21 New
      -5
      What, really pierces the eyes?
      Are site administrators Jewish?
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 12 June 2020 07: 23 New
        +7
        What do you have against the Jews? They live, they don’t interfere with Nikama and give hands to those who crawl towards them even about God with democratic values
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 June 2020 01: 07 New
        0
        No - this seems to be with your “cab” problem.
  • BAI
    BAI 12 June 2020 11: 11 New
    +2
    No invulnerable weapons.
    The ability to dive to a depth of about 1000 meters makes the Poseidon virtually invulnerable to torpedoes, even if it is detected.

    And at what distance from the coast of the mainland is this depth? 200m? 20 km?
  • K298rtm
    K298rtm 12 June 2020 12: 00 New
    +3
    Too shy to ask:
    If we have created (that is, already practically have) such a compact powerful “engine”, why the hell do you need a variety of non-volatile installations for small squares?
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 12 June 2020 13: 49 New
      -1
      So you asked this question “checkmate” to all the patriots who believe in cartoons.
    2. Nehist
      Nehist 12 June 2020 14: 32 New
      +1
      Bravo!!! Simple question!!! And ... Auh !!!! Adherents of Poeydon Petrels and other wunder wunder wafers Where are you? !!!
      1. DVR
        DVR 12 June 2020 15: 57 New
        0
        Bravo!!! Simple question!!! And ... Auh !!!! Adherents of Poeydon Petrels and other wunder wunder wafers Where are you? !!!

        I don’t see anything that could baffle the "Poseidon Adepts." You yourself think what is the difference between submarines and Poseidon, how are they used? For what periods is the power plant of the submarine and Poseidon (Petrel) designed? This nuclear power plant is probably not designed for years (or even months) of operation after switching to high power, which is not required for Poseidon (Petrel).
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 12 June 2020 16: 04 New
          +1
          Respected! You initially forgive me for predicting this Poseidon .... He has autonomy is an order of magnitude higher than that of the nuclear submarines !!! Which in itself is delirium and nonsense
          1. DVR
            DVR 12 June 2020 16: 33 New
            -1
            You initially forgive me for prophesying this Poseidon ...

            You can say anything, only this will not affect the real characteristics of the product. Therefore, I proceed from my assumptions about its application and parameters.
    3. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 12 June 2020 18: 51 New
      +3
      Any domestic diesel-electric submarine has an atomic variant designed if you are not in the know.
      1. vvvaunavi
        vvvaunavi 14 June 2020 16: 38 New
        0
        Alexander, sorry, not in the know.
        I propose to push the reactor into 641 or 877.
        Just wondering
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 14 June 2020 19: 46 New
          -1
          For 877, 636 and 677, there are definitely nuclear options, 641 are not, but there was such a 651E - with an atomic auxiliary installed on an old boat ready for use. EU.

          Googled eggs. Everything worked, albeit not as good as they say.

          Reactors are very small, and there is a huge diesel generator on diesel-electric submarines, which a nuclear boat does not need. Well, you need to understand that there is no GTZA like on a normal boat, there is a reactor + a turbogenerator for charging batteries.
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 June 2020 01: 11 New
      0
      Because the passage of submarines from the Black Sea is not allowed everywhere, as an example, this is why air-independent people are developing diesel engines for electric ones and even this mini-nuclear power plant is designed for one job, say, a resource of 10000 kilometers.
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 12 June 2020 14: 36 New
    +2
    Hello everyone. The request is especially vigilant not to throw slippers at me after reading my comments, especially since they usually throw either trolls, whose work is well paid, or people who have very vague ideas about military equipment and weapons.
    So:
    1. The reference to V. Putin as proof of the extraordinary importance of Poseidon is very, very doubtful, because The president, by virtue of his, so to say, limited competence in complex military-technical issues, is forced to voice what his advisers offer him, among which many, alas, are also experts.
    2. About unparalleled Poseidon.
    As a rule, only a scientific discovery has no analogues, but the discovery is usually not limited to any type of technology and has a very general character. Everything else, including patents or certificates for inventions, always has analogues, the closest of which to the sample in question is called the prototype.
    Moreover. Poseidon already had analogues. This is the first torpedo with an atomic warhead, which was developed in the USSR for the first atomic submarine due to the lack of decent carriers of nuclear charges that could be mounted on submarines of that time, these are atomic reactors with a liquid metal coolant that were developed in the USSR many years ago back and were first used on Lira-type submarines. These reactors were very effective, but the operation of this type of reactor faced a number of problems, the main of which was the need to constantly maintain the coolant in a heated (liquid) state, which sharply reduced the resource of the reactor. If such heating was not provided, the coolant solidified and the entire reactor was suitable only for scrap. Which once happened on one of the submarines.
    3. The invulnerability of the nuclear submarine-Poseidon complex is also a big question, because in order for Poseidon to reach the target on the coast of a likely enemy at an acceptable time, his carrier needs to get close to the coast. But at the same time, the chance of the carrier to be undetected before it launches Poseidon is very low, given the highly ramified anti-aircraft defense system of the United States. Of course, it is possible to launch Poseidon from its bases, but until it reaches the goal, the goal will either be destroyed by another type of weaponry or the need for its destruction will already disappear. Well, you need to consider that not all cities and even US naval bases are located on the coast. And those that are placed all over are tightly covered by different types of anti-submarine and anti-torpedo weapons. The experience of the 2nd World taught many many things
    5. A tsunami is also unlikely to result from the explosion of such a torpedo. At least during the underwater and surface tests of nuclear weapons that were carried out by different countries before the prohibition of such tests, this was not observed.
    6. And the last. The screams of potential opponents that “everything was gone” when some new type of armament and military equipment appeared on the other side are designed primarily for those who approve of the allocation of funds for defense will be terribly scared and will allocate a couple of three of the extra billions to their The military-industrial complex and the armed forces. It has always been and always will be.

    In general, you can still write a lot about the "prospects" of this super duper weapon, but it's a pity to waste time
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 June 2020 01: 31 New
      0
      All anti-torpedo and anti-torpedo weapons that the United States has are torpedoes Mk 50, Mk 54.
  • Selevc
    Selevc 12 June 2020 16: 27 New
    -1
    Quote: gregor6549
    Well, you need to consider that not all cities and even US naval bases are located on the coast.

    Oh, how we forgot that some US naval bases are located in lakes, ponds and swamps !!! The Swamp Navy is a truly new type of US arms that has no analogues in the world !!!
    A naval base not located on the coast is like an underground plane on tracks and without wings !!! The same thing - a very spectacular thing ... The US naval base located far from the coast probably plows the paper seas of the American bureaucracy !!!
    1. gregor6549
      gregor6549 13 June 2020 05: 45 New
      +2
      SW Andrey, Thank you for your comment and the humor present in it. It's nice to deal not with an anonymous minus signer, but with a living person who has an opinion.
      Now a few words about the “marsh”, as you put it, US Navy bases.
      You see, in the United States there really are naval bases that are located at a fairly considerable distance from the ocean coast. Such bases include, for example, the US Navy submarine base (Naval Submarine Base Bangor) in Bangor, Washington (near Seattle). It is sometimes also called Bangor Trident Base).
      There have been projects in the United States of creating underground / intra-rock base of the Navy similar to the Soviet base of submarines in an area built in a rock mass near Balaklavy, Ukraine https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaklava_ground_museum_complex.
      Unfortunately, the information about these bases, which was on my old computer, was lost during its replacement with a more modern one and I don’t see any reason to restore it. But I believe that on Google this information can be found if desired.
      Of course, many of these projects could be frozen during the so-called "detente," but if necessary in the United States there is money for their resuscitation. There will also be money to create weapons systems capable of neutralizing Poseidon-type torpedoes, if the United States concludes that such torpedoes do pose a serious threat to the United States.
      But in the USSR, “swamp” naval bases actually existed and were based on them river military flotillas, for example Pinsk https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinskaya_military_flotilla. There were always enough swamps in the region of Pinsk.
      So laugh, right, it’s not sinful over what seems ridiculous. But this, alas, is not quite the case. Those. not at all that.
  • shonsu
    shonsu 12 June 2020 19: 24 New
    -1
    And the scheme in English is signed so that "potential partners" do not bother with the translation? laughing
  • itis
    itis 12 June 2020 22: 33 New
    0
    if a nuclear drive, then why only 10 thousand kilometers range?
  • Yuriy Malyshko
    Yuriy Malyshko 13 June 2020 00: 02 New
    -2
    For several years, Russian Navy officers have been silently twisting their fingers at the temple when they are taught about the uniqueness and superpowers of the Poseidon. They don’t say anything out loud - they’ll get fired. The main danger "Poseidon" is for the Russian Navy. With the reliability of the hardware components of Russian equipment, which we have at this time, hoping for trouble-free delivery of the "bomb" to the shores of the adversary for thousands of kilometers and even at a kilometer depth is a utopia. But the command is BELIEVE. And the command clearly reports that "we can all and our torpedoes will get everyone even out of the ground."
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 June 2020 01: 41 New
      +1
      The Vityaz device to help you is the one that offline plunged into the Mariana Trench more than 10000 meters and passed 1500 meters there. So about what kind of reliability of the element base you write - please give examples, otherwise everything that you wrote above is equal to the OBS.
      1. gregor6549
        gregor6549 13 June 2020 12: 23 New
        0
        SW Vadim. The point is not only and not so much in the reliability of the element base, although there are questions to it. The question is what to compare the deep-sea research apparatus, which is delivered to the dive point. plunges to a given depth and there it makes some very limited movements with a torpedo like Poseidon, which is kind of incorrect.
        After all, Poseidon needs to go not 1500 meters, but about 10000 km and get to a given point at the end of the route. And if cruise missiles use for this, along with the inertial, a whole set of sensors, pre-compiled terrain maps, etc., then what data will Poseidon rely on in his travel and where to get this data from?
        He will not go far on one inertial, there is no place for a kamikaze navigator there either, and using sonar in active mode is more expensive for yourself. Detect at a time and slam. Yes, and detailed maps of the underwater relief of the oceans have not yet been created and it is unlikely that anyone will create them and nothing. This earth's surface is measured along and across the constellations of satellites, and in the ocean, God forbid, have a detailed map of the temperature layers reflecting their current state.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 June 2020 16: 09 New
          -1
          Russia has hydrographic vessels, and even in the world of underwater cartography they are very actively engaged, AUVs can move the coordinate proportions of speed and distance on coordinate points on a 2D land and ocean map, the depth is known using an electronic gyrocompass that will always show the north the device will orient itself. In the Arctic Ocean, working at a set depth of 120 meters does not make sense to dive below any sense; there is no 200 meters in the Pacific; I doubt that a device at such a depth will encounter something; the device can sink and swim at 1000 meters, but this device is not necessarily certain that it also has a fish finder and hydrophones and video cameras and systems to counter attacking torpedoes and much more, there is almost nothing for the U.S. Navy to have such an apparatus; all they have is the Mk 50 and Mk 54 counter-torpedoes, and it is doubtful to use the Mines to throw an empty vehicle over the entire world ocean with mines; difficult - 48% will intercept 50% will reach the targets at the rate of two devices per object.
          1. Simsimal
            Simsimal 13 June 2020 16: 48 New
            -2
            Sorry of course, but the device has nothing. Since there is no apparatus itself.
            You have an incomplete understanding of the aquatic environment and the obstacles that this thing may encounter when it doesn’t.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 June 2020 18: 43 New
              -1
              If it was declared, it means that it is, by the way, and everything else declared: Dagger, Vanguard, Peresvet - on combat duty Sarmat, Petrel, Poseidon Zircon for testing and refinement. Vryatli will show the real look of Poseidon just like Bulova without TPK has not yet shown it and how many years have passed since the start of testing and adoption.
              1. Simsimal
                Simsimal 13 June 2020 20: 53 New
                -5
                Well Duc, he said, it means there is.
                He said no cove, then no.
                So big, and believe in fairy tales.
                Listen to the servicemen, not the tales from the TV.

                I wrote the truth below, they know those who will die on this iron ...
                Nothing changes - "You make us fly on coffins" (Levers Stalin)

                Я
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 15 June 2020 21: 17 New
                  0
                  You seem to have problems with perception - I'm talking about weapons in hardware, you're talking about me.
          2. Podvodnik
            Podvodnik 14 June 2020 17: 33 New
            0
            and also in the world of underwater cartography are very active


            The word "engaged" in a multiple interpretation does not fit. A well-developed hydrographic service was present here (among the USSR) and among the Americans. And that’s all. This is expensive. Very expensive. And maps / atlases are expensive. Especially underwater cartography. A lot of hydrographs were written off / cut. Some are not the oldest on their own to get to India for cutting into scrap metal. Well, the replacement is preparing / coming down. But you have to start all over again.
    2. Simsimal
      Simsimal 13 June 2020 12: 38 New
      -4
      Not all, but many.
      They said lumin ...
      They said believe, believe.
      They said no virus, then no.
      The forum has BEZ 310
      Misha Bezlyudov.
      Flew with. .... points over e .... commander Vanya Dushko (Vanya then was a little my boss). He is so weird in flight ....
      And as someone said the regiment to the crew, well, he, but you saw it, they will kill you now! Why were you silent?

      So the submariners are silent. Perhaps there will be no war, pension and nafig from the beach.
  • ilik54
    ilik54 14 June 2020 01: 18 New
    -2
    Now the war will go according to this scenario - nuclear charges explode off the coast of England and the United States and the war ends - there will be no one to fight with. All!
  • sen
    sen 14 June 2020 05: 25 New
    0
    To expand the capabilities of Poseidon, it may be worth considering the option of equipping it with a nuclear warhead missile.
  • Old26
    Old26 14 June 2020 15: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: sen
    To expand the capabilities of Poseidon, it may be worth considering the option of equipping it with a nuclear warhead missile.

    To do this, you need to install not one, but several missiles with nuclear warheads, plus air-to-air missiles, put wings and engines for flying in the atmosphere on the Poseidon, and without fail an extremely powerful laser. Then for sure, the possibilities will expand