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In Poland, they hope that the United States will finally "bury" Nord Stream-2

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In Poland, they hope that the United States will finally "bury" Nord Stream-2

The completion of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline by Russia causes an ambiguous reaction in Europe, while in Germany they mostly welcome this, then in Poland they strongly oppose the launch of SP-2 in operation. AND news that the United States may impose new sanctions against the pipeline is literally a joy for some Polish politicians.


Washington has finally decided to impose new sanctions against the Russian gas pipeline. A draft of new restrictions has already been submitted to Congress, and in Poland they hope that this will be "another nail in the coffin of the gas pipeline." However, not everything is as good as planned in Warsaw, Gazprom can safely complete the pipeline.

According to the Polish energy expert, employee of the Esperis consulting company Mateusz Kubiak, even the imposition of sanctions against Gazprom and European insurance companies will not help stop the construction of SP-2, as the Akademik Chersky vessel has been insured by the Russian one since 2016 insurance fund. According to him, problems with vessel insurance, construction works, etc. should not arise.

However, the United States may impose sanctions on companies providing gas pipeline certification services. According to global practice, before putting SP-2 into operation, Russia must obtain a certificate of conformity, i.e. to fix the compliance of the object with the project on which it was built. If the United States imposes sanctions against such companies, the pipeline will not be launched. Russia may challenge this decision, but it will take a long time.

It is this option in Poland that is considered the most realistic and capable of "burying" the gas pipeline. It is emphasized that the sooner the US imposes sanctions, the faster the laying of the remaining section will be stopped.

In addition, an investigation has been underway in Warsaw since 2018 against Gazprom regarding the financing of a gas pipeline project. The Polish department hopes to impose another fine on the Russian company for refusing to provide financial documents for the project.

For our part, we note that not only Poland has the desire to “drive the last nail” into the lid of the coffin of the pipeline, Ukraine has the same desire. And you do not need to read all these "wise" arguments that supposedly "SP-2" spoils the environment, and Russia is trying to dictate its terms to Europe. No, it all comes down to money. Both countries lose revenue from pumping Russian gas if Nord Stream 2 is launched. And when it comes to money, all means are good.
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  1. 1536
    1536 11 June 2020 10: 39 New
    10
    Do not swarm the grave of another, you yourself will fall into it.
    1. Civil
      Civil 11 June 2020 11: 07 New
      -1
      It is necessary to finish building this truly "pipeline of life", under the bombing of sanctions, the blockade of Nazi Poland and the Scandinavian Nazis ... the main thing is that the Germans buy this gas.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 11 June 2020 11: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Civil
        It is necessary to finish building this truly "pipeline of life", under the bombing of sanctions, the blockade of Nazi Poland and the Scandinavian Nazis ... the main thing is that the Germans buy this gas.

        Here is the text, straight song laughing
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 11 June 2020 11: 43 New
          -1
          no, it’s necessary
          the main thing that German sluggish fascists bought this unfortunate gas.
        2. Basil50
          Basil50 11 June 2020 11: 47 New
          +2
          Here it is. And that’s it!
          When a house is being built, there are a lot of problems: buying land, approving, designing, then dissatisfying the neighbors. Complaints, inspections, gangsters' assaults, theft, and outright hackwork of a construction team.
          A gas pipeline is being built here, which deprives many of the free money and that without problems?
          But it’s time for Gazprom to reconsider the strategy of financing freeloaders, not only in the form of the outskirts-Poland-Belarus, but also those who are sitting in the office and nearby. So you look and incomes will increase.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 11 June 2020 12: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Vasily50
            But it’s time for Gazprom to reconsider the strategy of financing freeloaders, not only in the form of the outskirts-Poland-Belarus, but also those who are sitting in the office and nearby. So you look and incomes will increase.

            The problem of negotiations with Russia on oil and gas supplies is related to the price of raw materials, said President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko at the ceremony for awarding the Spiritual Revival Prize and the Belarusian Sports Olympus Prize. According to him, Belarus is not ready to buy fuel at prices higher than world prices.

            “Why haven’t we agreed with the president of Russia on oil? Because Russia wants us to buy oil from it at prices higher than world prices. Where is this seen? - said Mr. Lukashenko (quoted by BelTA). - If there are no supplies at world prices from Russia, we will find this oil elsewhere. What we do. And they found it. ”

            Mr. Lukashenko also called gas prices too high. He mentioned the 75th anniversary of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War and said that Gazprom earns three times more money from Belarus than from Germany. “75 years of the Great Victory. We will bawl everyone wherever possible - both in Russia and in Belarus. But Gazprom today earns three times more in Belarus than in Germany. This is normal? This not normal?" - said the President of Belarus.
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 11 June 2020 12: 58 New
              +5
              “Why haven’t we agreed with the president of Russia on oil? Because Russia wants us to buy oil from it at prices higher than world prices. Where is this seen? - said Mr. Lukashenko (quoted by BelTA). - If there are no supplies at world prices from Russia, we will find this oil elsewhere. What we do. And they found it. ”

              Accidentally not Libyan oil found Old Man? Through Turkey.
          2. major147
            major147 11 June 2020 13: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Vasily50
            When a house is being built, there are a lot of problems: buying land, approving, designing, then dissatisfying the neighbors. Complaints, inspections, gangsters' assaults, theft, and outright hackwork of a construction team.

            Lord But where do you live !?
      2. Alexey from Perm
        Alexey from Perm 12 June 2020 01: 03 New
        0
        or maybe we’ll leave this gas to ourselves, half of the country is not gasified in our country.
  2. tagil
    tagil 11 June 2020 10: 39 New
    +8
    When the gas pipeline is built, then the last nail will be hammered into the Polish coffin, and the United States will beat it.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 11 June 2020 11: 09 New
      -5
      Quote: Tagil
      When the gas pipeline is built, then the last nail will be hammered into the Polish coffin, and the United States will beat it.

      With the Power of Siberia, too, not all the rules!
      The pipeline's profitability is also in question. Because the Chinese won't pay. They already had agreements with Gazprom on the price formula even before the signing of this contract, and everything there is tied to the cost of oil. Oil will not rise in price much now, but will only fall in price or is in stagnation. According to the calculations of Gazprom itself, there is no profitability until 2048. This project does not pay off.
      1. tagil
        tagil 11 June 2020 11: 13 New
        0
        They already had agreements with Gazprom on the price formula even before the signing of this contract, and everything there is tied to the cost of oil.
        That is, force majeure circumstances are not spelled out in the contract? And I understand that from our side a new contract was not signed? I understand correctly?
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 11 June 2020 11: 47 New
          +2
          That is, force majeure circumstances are not spelled out in the contract?

          What other force majeure circumstances? Price fluctuations are a common market circumstance. And under the Chinese contract - was it precisely tied to oil prices? Or gas prices in the European market?
          1. tagil
            tagil 11 June 2020 11: 54 New
            0
            What other force majeure circumstances?
            Man-made accidents, sabotage, an increase in prices (if it is tied to any energy carrier or volute), the country runs out of gas, in the end there is a war and the inability to supply gas. You never know what other "misfortunes" can fall upon us or China. Or do you think that when a contract for 20-50 years is concluded, the whole WORLD goes to bed so that nothing changes in the world. And suddenly, while everyone is asleep, the United States in a dream kicks back its "hooves".
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 11 June 2020 12: 09 New
              +2
              Man-made accidents, sabotage .... in the end the war

              This is a real force majeure.
              price increase

              But this is not, this is a normal market event.
              out of gas in the country

              How could he end? And before signing the contract there, do exploration, think, count? This is not a force majeure but an unfair attitude to their partners and obligations.
              Or do you think that when a contract is signed for 20-50 years, the whole WORLD goes to bed so that nothing changes in the world

              Either such a contract is concluded that it is possible to execute during these 50 years, or if you can’t, then don’t conclude long-term contracts. Well, either show ability in negotiating. No one bothers the two parties by mutual agreement to adjust the parameters of the contract if it has ceased to meet the realities. Just singing a song about force majeure for every pig is not necessary. This is not the first time we have seen fluctuations in the price of oil at times in recent years, and this is not force majeure. This is the world in which we live and we must be able to live in it, as it is.
              1. tagil
                tagil 11 June 2020 12: 40 New
                0
                I called the first circumstances that occurred to me, I do not pretend to be correct.
                How could he end?
                Like dutch gas
                No one bothers the two parties by mutual agreement to adjust the parameters of the contract if it has ceased to meet the realities.
                That's for sure, in Poland, the brother of an alcoholic came to power, who climbed to "steer" the plane over Smolensk, and now it turns out that these heterosexuals from Europe were buying gas from us at an inflated price, now we have (SHOULD CARL) return the money to them.
                This is the world in which we live and we must be able to live in it, as it is.
                In order to be able to live in it, one must anticipate such drunks in the government of some countries, is it not logical that in multi-year contracts a change of power can be indicated. In general, I am not an expert. And I have not seen one full contract on the network. But I don’t think that ours is taken into account in new contracts.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 11 June 2020 12: 44 New
                  +2
                  In order to be able to live in it, one must anticipate such drunks in the government of some countries, is it not logical that in multi-year contracts a change of power can be indicated. In general, I am not an expert. And I have not seen one full contract on the network. But I don’t think that ours is taken into account in new contracts.

                  Well, yes .. try to sign a contract with China and indicate there the possibility of a change of power in China
                  1. tagil
                    tagil 11 June 2020 12: 49 New
                    0
                    Easy. In the event of the seizure of power in the People's Republic of China by the minions of American capitalism, the Russian Federation reserves the right to annul the gas contract previously concluded with the PRC.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 11 June 2020 14: 15 New
                      0
                      Yeah ... well, good luck.
                      Such a phrase is a direct manifestation of disrespect for the other contracting party and minus a lot to the chances of reaching an agreement and generally speaking normally.
                      1. tagil
                        tagil 11 June 2020 15: 32 New
                        0
                        No need to be offended by China. If they don’t like something, they will write to me here.
                      2. alexmach
                        alexmach 11 June 2020 17: 25 New
                        +1
                        I am not offended for anyone, I only report what is vryatli someone in a sober mind will sign. Well, it is a little naive to wait for what "China" will write to you.
                      3. tagil
                        tagil 11 June 2020 17: 28 New
                        0
                        I see that with humor you are very bad.
                      4. alexmach
                        alexmach 11 June 2020 17: 32 New
                        0
                        Well, everyone cannot be equally well with everything. This is not natural
                      5. tagil
                        tagil 11 June 2020 17: 35 New
                        0
                        It's true. Either blonde, or smart, and all at once is a rarity.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 11 June 2020 12: 52 New
    -2
    Quote: RUSS
    According to Gazprom itself, there is no profitability until 2048. This project does not pay off.

    It’s complete nonsense, if only because China hasn’t collapsed, and is not going to do so in the coming decades, which means that their resource consumption will grow. The Chinese and India are on their heels, and they will also switch from bicycles to cars and they also need air conditioners, as well as the whole of Southeast Asia. So relax and don’t take to heart the current mess that will resolve over time, but the consumption of hydrocarbons has been growing steadily in the 21st century, and there is no stopping it, and what is unprofitable in the current months can bring huge profits in the long term.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 11 June 2020 12: 59 New
      0
      Quote: ccsr
      Quote: RUSS
      According to Gazprom itself, there is no profitability until 2048. This project does not pay off.

      It’s complete nonsense, if only because China hasn’t collapsed, and is not going to do so in the coming decades, which means that their resource consumption will grow. The Chinese and India are on their heels, and they will also switch from bicycles to cars and they also need air conditioners, as well as the whole of Southeast Asia. So relax and don’t take to heart the current mess that will resolve over time, but the consumption of hydrocarbons has been growing steadily in the 21st century, and there is no stopping it, and what is unprofitable in the current months can bring huge profits in the long term.

      China will start gas production in the South China Sea in 2021
      China does everything on its own: exploration and drilling. The China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC) announced plans for offshore natural gas production in the South China Sea at the end of 2021 in its deep-water project Lingshui 17-2.

      CNOOC and other major state-owned vertically integrated oil companies in China have pledged to increase natural gas production.
      China seeks to increase natural gas production, especially gas production of low permeability reservoirs (shale gas) in order to reduce dependence on imports.
      The explored reserves of the field amounted to more than 100 billion m3 of gas.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 11 June 2020 13: 18 New
        -2
        Quote: RUSS
        China will start gas production in the South China Sea in 2021

        You better take an interest in demographic forecasts, and then you will find out that in the 21st century Nigeria will overtake China and India in terms of population, and believe me, they will also want to drive cars there and live in houses, not in huts. And all this will require energy resources, so we have only one thing to be wary of - the main thing is that no alternative to hydrocarbons is found.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 11 June 2020 14: 17 New
          0
          Quote: ccsr
          that in the 21st century, Nigeria will overtake China and India in terms of population, and believe me, they will also want to drive cars there and live in houses, not in huts.

          Nigeria is in the top three African economies, but in fact it has first place, and Nigerians have enough oil, they are the first in Africa in oil production.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 11 June 2020 18: 21 New
            0
            Quote: RUSS
            Nigeria is in the top three African economies, but in fact it has first place, and Nigerians have enough oil, they are the first in Africa in oil production.

            In addition to Nigeria, several more states will appear with hundreds of millions of people, but production will still remain in industrialized countries. And the trend now is that gas everywhere displaces oil - even gas carriers plan to equip gas engines. That is why we still have prospects for selling gas.
  • major147
    major147 11 June 2020 13: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Tagil
    When the gas pipeline is built, then the last nail will be hammered into the Polish coffin, and the United States will beat it.

    With the Power of Siberia, too, not all the rules!
    The pipeline's profitability is also in question. Because the Chinese won't pay. They already had agreements with Gazprom on the price formula even before the signing of this contract, and everything there is tied to the cost of oil. Oil will not rise in price much now, but will only fall in price or is in stagnation. According to the calculations of Gazprom itself, there is no profitability until 2048. This project does not pay off.

    Don’t give a link to the contract !?
  • RUSS
    RUSS 11 June 2020 10: 41 New
    -11
    Gazprom is waiting for hard times.
    Gas prices in Europe are dropping fast due to weak demand amid continued quarantine restrictions due to coronavirus and rising energy supplies from renewable sources. The European market is full, gas storage capacities are starting to end.
    that for the first quarter of 2020, Gazprom for the first time in history received a loss of 306 billion rubles. According to the forecast of the Russian company itself, this year gas sales to Europe will fall by 17%, to 165 billion cubic meters, and the average price will fall by a third. As a result, losses can amount to up to $ 20 billion of export revenue.
    1. tagil
      tagil 11 June 2020 10: 45 New
      +6
      Why suddenly. Filling the storage facilities with gas begins closer to winter, Russia supplies gas to Europe. The price falls, which means less gas is supplied. Of course there are losses, but it's too early to shout "the boss is all gone".
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 11 June 2020 11: 01 New
        -3
        Deliveries of Russian “blue fuel” to Turkey decreased by more than 14 times. Such data are provided by the Federal Customs Service. Moreover, the decline in consumption continues. Ankara recently preferred to import liquefied fuel, which is much cheaper than Gazprom raw materials. Thus, over the half-empty Turkish Stream pipeline, which was recently opened and cost Russia 7 billion euros, there is a danger of a complete stop of pumping: it loses its “strength” exponentially
        1. tagil
          tagil 11 June 2020 11: 04 New
          +3
          Such data are provided by the Federal Customs Service. Moreover, the decline in consumption continues. Ankara recently preferred to import liquefied fuel, which is much cheaper than Gazprom raw materials.
          Can you tell me how many gas liquefaction plants are in Turkey? And how can liquefied gas be cheaper than piped gas?
      2. major147
        major147 11 June 2020 13: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Tagil
        The price is falling, which means less gas is supplied.

        I think in the winter everything will be aligned. We must not forget that Europe bought 200 billion cubic meters per year from Gazprom before the pandemic. Naturally, it will be less now, what kind of winter it will be ...
    2. neri73-r
      neri73-r 11 June 2020 10: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: RUSS
      Gazprom is waiting for hard times.
      Gas prices in Europe are dropping fast due to weak demand amid continued quarantine restrictions due to coronavirus

      After an explainable decline, there is always growth!

      Quote: RUSS
      growth of energy supplies from renewable sources.


      Are you talking about windmills and solar panels, tide stations? Do not tell the people, they refuse nuclear power plants, which could be a real alternative to gas, oil and coal, nothing else has been invented yet that is really feasible by man.
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 11 June 2020 11: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: neri73-r
        After an explainable decline, there is always growth!

        Because not everyone survives ... Now it’s difficult not only for Gazprom, you might think that the Norwegians, Algerians, Australians, and the same states are delighted with this price level ... pamping, and then you won’t be able to trade at a loss for a long time, Saudis as an example ... The Turks have reduced, but they are not alone -! According to the platform of the European gas transmission system operators ENTSOG, in June Gazprom increased daily gas supplies to Europe excluding Turkey by 7% compared to May. If in the last month of spring they averaged 403 million cubic meters, then during the first eight days of summer - 429 million. We will see what happens in the fall ....
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 11 June 2020 10: 59 New
      +1
      Moscow. June 8. INTERFAX.RU - PJSC Gazprom and LLC RusKhimAlliance (operator of the project to create an integrated complex for the processing and liquefaction of natural gas; owned on a parity basis by Gazprom and JSC RusGazDobycha) have entered into 20-year commercial contracts for the supply of raw materials and gas.

      According to a press release from Gazprom, the following interaction scheme is envisaged. Ethane-containing natural gas will be supplied from Gazprom's fields to RusChemAlliance in the amount of 45 billion cubic meters. m per year. Gas left over after processing (separation of ethane fraction and other valuable components) and production of liquefied natural gas will be supplied to Gazprom's gas transmission system in the amount of about 18 billion cubic meters. m per year.
      Gazprom's spokesman Sergei Kupriyanov also told reporters: “The contract signed with RusKhimAlliance today provides for the annual supply of 45 billion cubic meters of gas for 20 years. This is the largest gas supply contract in Russia in the history of Gazprom. between RusChemAlliance and LLC Baltic Chemical Complex (100% subsidiary of RusGazDobycha) for the supply of ethane fraction for further processing at a gas chemical enterprise technologically connected with the integrated complex. The delivery period is 20 years. RusChemAlliance has entered into an EPC contract (complex contract, the abbreviation is formed by the words Engineering, Procurement, Construction) with NIPIGAZ JSC for a full cycle of work on the creation of gas processing facilities and general plant facilities of the complex. The contractor will provide the preparation of working documentation, supply of equipment and materials, construction, installation and commissioning works, and will also provide integration services about facilities of the complex with off-site facilities. Since the end of 2019, NIPIGAZ has already carried out a complex of engineering surveys for RusKhimAlliance and developed the main technical solutions. At the moment, the development of design documentation for gas processing facilities is underway. "In the future, RusChemAlliance will identify EPC contractors for the creation of natural gas liquefaction facilities, a commodity base, a marine shipping terminal and other non-production facilities. EPCM-contractor (design, supply and construction management - IF) ", - the release notes.
      Gazprom and RusGazDobycha are implementing a project to create a complex for processing and liquefying natural gas in the Ust-Luga region. The enterprise will produce LNG (13 million tons per year), as well as ethane fraction, liquefied hydrocarbon gases and pentane-hexane fraction. The construction of a gas-chemical enterprise technologically connected with the complex will be provided by RusGazDobycha. The enterprise will process ethane from the complex and produce up to 3 million tons of various grades of polyethylene.
      believe me there are no fools sitting) they have a huge domestic gas market and they simply reorient themselves to it. we are a country that consumes almost more than anyone else in the world of gas, and this is despite the fact that gasification is still to be carried out and carried out.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 11 June 2020 10: 42 New
    +3
    Blessed is he who believes.
    Poland has the wrong scale ...
    1. cniza
      cniza 11 June 2020 12: 11 New
      +2
      They want to be governors in Europe from the United States, but what they will become, I hope to see soon.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 11 June 2020 10: 50 New
    +7
    The Poles, as always in their repertoire ... how many years have been tormented by bouts of Russophobia, they still can’t calm down ... the Germans still figured it all out and decided to defend SP-2 ... the Poles would have to strain and not suffer from nonsense here.
    1. cniza
      cniza 11 June 2020 12: 10 New
      +4
      Interrogate will fly to them from two sides, as has happened more than once.
  • ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF 11 June 2020 10: 52 New
    0
    For our part, we note that not only Poland has the desire to "drive the last nail" into the coffin of the gas pipeline, Ukraine is also "burning" with the same desire.

    I hope the relevant structures in our country will find their memory after the completion of construction, and it will be completed and will be able to really respond and not only with a "decisive protest."
    1. cniza
      cniza 11 June 2020 12: 09 New
      +3
      I really hope that then everything will be recovered from these "zealots", and there are plenty of ways.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 June 2020 10: 52 New
    +1
    And the news that the United States may impose new sanctions against the pipeline is literally a joy for some Polish politicians.

    Here is a polypictum they scored for themselves .... HA, HA, they continue to exist with them. Themselves, themselves.
    And there they say in such cases, who deserves something, then that ... or those of him.
    mek / O \ shadow, ha / V \ nukes, well, that's their business.
    1. cniza
      cniza 11 June 2020 12: 07 New
      +3
      Nothing will fix them, only another flogging can calm you down for a while. hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 June 2020 12: 12 New
        +1
        Teach them, do not respect yourself ... and it is a pity to waste time in vain, so sho themselves, yourself ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 11 June 2020 12: 16 New
          +3
          It is useless, they will do everything opposite and for the sake of the USA.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 June 2020 12: 21 New
            +2
            And it doesn’t matter to whom, if only their suitors are sold and soldiers thrown to them.
            JOINT, they are now so happy, in the media of theirs it is written so that they were transferred / evacuated to them on a permanent basis, another minke whales were transferred / evacuated ... they will be so "significant" now ...
            True to US and other specific guys, they will have to examine this significance of their importance under a microscope! but we will not notice winked
            1. cniza
              cniza 11 June 2020 12: 40 New
              +4
              Well, yes, they appointed her beloved wife at least temporarily and only by odd numbers.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 11 June 2020 12: 52 New
                +2
                The owner of the problems is not measured now ... maybe from the side and "beloved" to push.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 11 June 2020 13: 02 New
                  +4
                  Sooner or later, but it will happen, but now they have a lot of "fun" there ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 11 June 2020 13: 07 New
                    +2
                    So it’s even for me to put it on them ... but a couple of them got together, some pestering, others nasty, both harmful.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 11 June 2020 13: 14 New
                      +3
                      Well, here the stench should not come to the border, but seriously, it's time to both of them be put in their place and let them not spoil the air.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 11 June 2020 10: 53 New
    -6
    Quote: neri73-r
    Are you talking about windmills and solar panels, tide stations?

    Statistics of energy capacity from renewable energy sources in 2020 by the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) show that new energy sources, mainly hydro and wind energy, solar, geothermal and bioenergy, accounted for 72% of the total capacity increase last year. Energy from renewable energy increased by 7,6% in 2019, adding 176 gigawatts (GW) of generating capacity in the world, slightly lower than the (revised) 179 GW added in 2018.
    1. tagil
      tagil 11 June 2020 11: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: RUSS
      The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) shows that new sources of energy, mainly hydro and wind energy, solar, geothermal and bioenergy, accounted for 72% of total capacity growth last year.
      Well, why else should there be an increase if other power plants are closed. Only "green" energy, in principle, cannot provide Europe with electricity in full, at least in the medium term.
  • zwlad
    zwlad 11 June 2020 11: 09 New
    +3
    then in Poland they are categorically against the launch of "SP-2"

    still would. transit through and block money
    1. cniza
      cniza 11 June 2020 12: 05 New
      +2
      They hope naive that the owner compensates with profit.
      1. zwlad
        zwlad 11 June 2020 12: 27 New
        +4
        and the owner of them will sell LNG at a market price
        1. cniza
          cniza 11 June 2020 12: 41 New
          +3
          The owner does not manage to get the market price, we offered them at the market price, in the USA it is more expensive ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 June 2020 11: 14 New
    +6
    ... the news that the United States may impose new sanctions against the pipeline is literally a joy for some Polish politicians.
    ... not only Poland has the desire to "drive the last nail" into the coffin of the gas pipeline, Ukraine also has the same desire
    So they differ little from each other in relation to Russia. Some want to bomb Siberia with the help of the Americans, while others want to prevent the SP-2 from functioning with the same hands. And from premature joy they jump in the same way. The flawed memory, honor, dignity, groveling, bestial Russophobia are what brings these two ugly states closer together.
    1. cniza
      cniza 11 June 2020 12: 04 New
      +1
      And after all, their history does not teach anything, again they jump on the same rake.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 June 2020 11: 55 New
    +1
    Lyakhi, idiots, this joint venture will bury the striped and you, respectively. negative
    1. cniza
      cniza 11 June 2020 12: 03 New
      +2
      They will bury themselves, bursting from the strain ...
  • cniza
    cniza 11 June 2020 12: 02 New
    +2
    In Poland, they hope that the United States will finally "bury" Nord Stream-2


    How tired these "zealots" of Europe are, oh, they will be interrogated ...
  • dgonni
    dgonni 11 June 2020 12: 07 New
    -2
    The author is not right in terms of insurance! What is wonderfully insured back in 2016 by a Russian company does not matter. The insurance of works when laying the gas pipeline matters! And here the presence of insurance from the Russian company, if anyone takes a chance, does not miss Denmark, and those insurers that Denmark can and should accept, will not insure!
    It turns out a vicious circle.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 11 June 2020 12: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: Civil
    It is necessary to finish building this truly "pipeline of life", under the bombing of sanctions, the blockade of Nazi Poland and the Scandinavian Nazis ... the main thing is that the Germans buy this gas.

    Why are you so upset? You want to say that under other circumstances there would be less sanctions? Katz offers to give up?
  • Andobor
    Andobor 11 June 2020 13: 25 New
    -1
    The Poles have long had no geopolitical independence - the eternal occupation, the invaders are only changing - what the current ones say are grunt.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 11 June 2020 13: 25 New
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    Quote: Civil
    It is necessary to finish building this truly "pipeline of life", under the bombing of sanctions, the blockade of Nazi Poland and the Scandinavian Nazis ... the main thing is that the Germans buy this gas.

    Your sarcasm is not clear to many here.
  • Suslin
    Suslin 11 June 2020 13: 34 New
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    Grandfather, can an elephant eat a cart of watermelons? He will be able to, but who will give them to him! Likewise, Polish "hobbyists" can and will be able to, but no one will let them. By the way, and the American "moguls" too.
  • veritas
    veritas 11 June 2020 14: 58 New
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    In Poland, they hope that the United States will finally "bury" Nord Stream-2

    Poles on an ongoing basis demonstrate stupidity. They want to buy American gas, but it will cost them much more.
  • Uralec
    Uralec 11 June 2020 16: 57 New
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    while in Germany they generally welcome this, in Poland they strongly oppose

    So we’ll finish building and if we restore normal relations with Germany (without the United States and other Israel), then the Poles and others will not seem enough ...
    Well, God forbid, that everything worked out as conceived
  • NF68
    NF68 11 June 2020 17: 05 New
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    If SP-2 spoils the environment, it spoils the environment and the gas pipeline that they plan to extend from Norway to Poland and for which Russia / Gazprom must give permission.
    1. Liam
      Liam 11 June 2020 17: 09 New
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      Quote: NF68
      If SP-2 spoils the environment, it spoils the environment and the gas pipeline that they plan to extend from Norway to Poland and for which Russia / Gazprom must give permission.

      It will not be difficult to indicate according to what laws the Poles need the consent of Gazprom for their gas pipeline from Norway?
      1. NF68
        NF68 11 June 2020 17: 11 New
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        Quote: Liam
        Quote: NF68
        If SP-2 spoils the environment, it spoils the environment and the gas pipeline that they plan to extend from Norway to Poland and for which Russia / Gazprom must give permission.

        It will not be difficult to indicate according to what laws the Poles need the consent of Gazprom for their gas pipeline from Norway?


        Не затруднит: http://base.garant.ru/10108686/94f5bf092e8d98af576ee351987de4f0/
        1. Liam
          Liam 11 June 2020 17: 17 New
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          Quote: NF68
          Not difficult

          )))) And how sideways Federal Law of November 30, 1995 N 187-FZ "On the Continental Shelf of the Russian Federation" (with amendments and additions to the pipeline from Norway to Poland?
          1. NF68
            NF68 11 June 2020 17: 22 New
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            Существует и международное право: https://books.google.de/books?id=NZSgAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5+%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE+%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BA%D0%B8+%D1%82%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2&source=bl&ots=idQT21q6-4&sig=ACfU3U1TyrziK8hq3s7arBxB6aptkprfNg&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiYr6nJ-vnpAhVDxYUKHSABB-AQ6AEwBnoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BA%D0%B8%20%D1%82%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2&f=false
            1. Liam
              Liam 11 June 2020 17: 37 New
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              Judging by throwing with links to some internal Russian laws or some fiction and the lack of a link to a specific article of a specific international agreement, the story about Gazprom’s permission to the Polish-Norwegian gas pipeline is nothing more than another interesting movie.
              By the way. In whose territorial waters or economic zone are these gas pipelines interrupted, aren't they in Danish?
              1. NF68
                NF68 12 June 2020 16: 16 New
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                Quote: Liam
                Judging by throwing with links to some internal Russian laws or some fiction and the lack of a link to a specific article of a specific international agreement, the story about Gazprom’s permission to the Polish-Norwegian gas pipeline is nothing more than another interesting movie.


                Russian laws have nothing to do with it. International laws exist and are acting on this score, and as far as I understand, in this case, Russian laws contain provisions of international laws. Let's see how events develop. The construction of this gas pipeline should be completed in about 2 years.

                By the way. In whose territorial waters or economic zone are these gas pipelines interrupted, aren't they in Danish?


                This pipeline will pass through the Danish and Swedish zones. Sweden has already given permission to lay the pipeline.
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 11 June 2020 22: 17 New
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    They will not bury, unless the EU is ready to pay extra, or rather Germany for a gas margin.
  • Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 11 June 2020 22: 27 New
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    and then the Poles will be indignant when Gazprom sends them on foot erotic
    1. NF68
      NF68 18 June 2020 17: 20 New
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      Quote: Boris Chernikov
      and then the Poles will be indignant when Gazprom sends them on foot erotic


      And Russia and Gazprom will be exclusively to blame for everything.
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 19 June 2020 00: 39 New
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        and when was it otherwise?