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Car "Tiger Sniper": remotely controlled modules of high-precision weapons for ground combat equipment

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Remote-controlled weapons modules



One of the leading trends in the development of military equipment of the XNUMXst century has been the widespread use of remotely controlled weapons modules (RWMS), which are placed on ground and surface platforms.

Remotely controlled weapon modules can act as the main weapon on small-sized platforms (SUVs, boats, ground and surface remotely controlled complexes), and as auxiliary weapons on large combat units, for example, tanks.

Car "Tiger Sniper": remotely controlled modules of high-precision weapons for ground combat equipment

RUMB on the armored car "Tiger"


DUMV on the T-90M tank

Machine guns, automatic grenade launchers, small-caliber guns, hand-held rocket-propelled grenade launchers and anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) can be used as weapons as part of the SAM.

The transition from manned turret-type weaponry modules to RPMFs has significantly reduced the dimensions required to deploy weapons. As a result, on small-sized platforms, weapons previously inaccessible to them can be placed, for example, 30 mm gun on an SUV.


DUMV with a 2A72 gun of 30 mm caliber on the Tiger armored car

Also, the use of the RWMF can significantly increase the security of the shooter-operator. From a tactical point of view, the existing SLVMs are focused on the same tasks as inhabited weapons modules previously installed on armored vehicles.

Remote-controlled modules of precision weapons


One of the most effective combat units is a sniper. The use of snipers is especially relevant during local conflicts, special and counter-terrorist operations, when excessive use of force can lead to civilian casualties and the destruction of civilian residential and industrial facilities.


The possibility of creating remotely controlled high-precision modules may be considered. weapons (DUMVO), placed on ground platforms of various types, designed to solve special problems by special and military units.

The proposed DUMVO is designed to destroy single targets at a maximum range of about 2000 meters with minimal unmasking of the firing position. Structurally, the DUMVO will in many respects be similar to the DUVM. Guidance drives do not require high travel speeds, but increased accuracy is required.

As armaments, the installation of a spark can be considered, including a large-caliber self-loading sniper rifle of the OSV-96 type of 12,7 x 108 mm caliber developed by the KBP JSC Tula and a silent VSSK type (large-caliber special sniper rifle) "Exhaust" of the 12,7x55 mm caliber developed by TsKIB СОО, a branch of KBP JSC.


Large-caliber self-loading OSV-96 sniper rifle


VSSK "Exhaust"

For use as part of the DUMVO, the installed rifles must be equipped with magazines of increased capacity, as well as electric drives that provide forced extraction of the cartridge in case of misfire (for VSSK "Exhaust" electric drives will provide reloading of cartridges in the normal mode). There is a possibility that the direct integration of the OSV-96 and VSSK “Exhaust” rifles into the DUMVO may not be possible. In this case, it will be necessary to develop a specialized weapon module based on these rifles, originally designed for automated work and the supply of cartridges from magazines of increased capacity of one type or another.

An optical system should be used as reconnaissance equipment, including a day channel, a night vision device and a thermal imager with a large (variable) magnification factor (of the order of x50 or more), and a laser rangefinder-target designator.


Vision detection systems operating in several wavelength ranges have the best target detection capabilities.

Perhaps reconnaissance tools should be supplemented with a sensor operating in the UV range, which allows you to effectively distinguish between certain types of targets.


Equipment that is poorly visible in the visible range can be clearly seen in the ultraviolet wavelength range

To ensure high-precision long-range shooting, a compact weather station should be placed on the DUMVO carrier.


Tactical meteorological observation system Vaisala TacMet MAWS201M

Reducing the likelihood of unmasking the firing position should be ensured by the use of silencers (both standard installed on the VSSK "Exhaust" rifle, and additionally installed on the large-caliber rifle OSV-96). Of course, the use of a silencer, coupled with supersonic cartridges will not give the same effect as when using subsonic cartridges, but, nevertheless, will significantly reduce and distort the sound of the shot, minimize the muzzle flame. For example, a silencer developed by Rotor-43 for a Kord ASVK of 12,7 x 108 mm caliber allows you to reduce the sound of a shot by 26-28 dB and practically remove the muzzle flame.


Closed-type silencer (DTK) at ASVK Kord, 12,7x108 caliber


Shooting from a large-caliber rifle ASVK "Kord" with a closed type DTK in the afternoon ...


... and at night

The decrease in visibility in the thermal part of the spectrum can be achieved by installing specialized casings on the trunks and forced blowing of the trunks, barrel casings and silencers with compressed air. In addition to reducing the likelihood of an adversary detecting heated trunks with the help of thermal imagers, this will also reduce the influence of barrel heating on firing accuracy. The supplied air can be pre-cooled by Peltier elements in the compressor, placed inside the carrier platform.


Peltier cooling system

An important element of the DUMVO should be a retractable mast, ensuring the lifting of reconnaissance and weaponry modules. The maximum mast height will be limited by the mass of equipment and weapons placed on it, as well as by the need to ensure the stability of the structure when firing. On the one hand, increasing the lifting height will increase the vibrations of the structure, on the other hand, firing will be carried out with single shots, which will simplify the design requirements. Let's not forget that light guns already have automatic guns with a caliber of up to 30 mm.

It can be assumed that, taking into account the stated limitations, the height of the lifting of the reconnaissance and armament means of the DUMVO above the carrier’s body will be about 1-2 meters. This will allow for firing from closed positions when the carrier itself will be behind natural and artificial barriers, which will significantly reduce its probability of detection and defeat by the enemy.


Mast with equipment on a service and combat reconnaissance vehicle (RBM) on the chassis of the Tiger armored car from the Tula company Strela NPO

To increase the fire power of the DUMVO, a larger caliber rifle, for example, 12,7 × 108 mm or the promising DXL-14,5 sniper rifle with a maximum range of 114 kilometers, announced by Lobaev Arms, can be installed instead of a 5 x 7 mm rifle. It should be noted that the ability to shoot at 7 kilometers does not obligate to shoot at this range by itself, but the very possibility of aimed shooting at a distance of 7 kilometers suggests that the defeat at shorter ranges will be more likely than with 12,7-caliber rifles. 108x408 mm or .XNUMX CheyTac, due to the higher speed and persistence of the bullet.


Large-caliber sniper rifle Truvelo CMS caliber 14,5 x 114 mm

The use of rifles of increased caliber is justified only if sufficient rigidity of the lifting mast is ensured.

Almost all types of ground equipment can be considered as a carrier platform. One of the advantages of using DUMVO is its increased stealth. This means that the carrier must also have minimal unmasking features. In particular, the Tiger armored car, which has already become a platform for a wide variety of weapons, or similar wheeled vehicles, may well be suitable for this role.


The concept of the armored car "Tiger Sniper"

DUMVO can be effectively used on other vehicles, including tracked ones, as the main or auxiliary weapon. In the case of placing the DUMVO on large platforms, they can also accommodate other weapons, for example, ATGMs.


Mobile reconnaissance point PRP-4A Argus with DUMVO (concept)

Tasks, advantages and tactics of using DUMVO


The main tasks of Tiger Sniper machines equipped with DUMVO will be defeat tasks critical goals on the battlefield: commanders, enemy snipers, ATGM calculations, defeat of lightly armored vehicles or incapacitation of critical elements (radar stations, optical instruments, weapons elements). The high penetration ability of bullets of 12,7 mm caliber or more will allow hitting the enemy’s manpower both in the open and beyond.

In local conflicts, such as the conflict in the Syrian Arab Republic, Tiger Sniper machines can block the enemy in populated areas, providing continuous demoralizing effect on the enemy with sniper fire.

When carrying out counter-terrorism operations, Tiger Sniper-type machines must ensure the destruction of terrorists with a minimal probability of civilian destruction and destruction of infrastructure.

Also, platforms equipped with DUMVO can act as reconnaissance and strike systems, providing target designation aviation and artillery, and, if necessary, ensuring the direct destruction of the enemy in case delay can be dangerous.

In principle, all these tasks can be solved by a regular sniper with a large-caliber rifle. Why, then, need a "Tiger Sniper"?

Compared to sniper arrows, Tiger Sniper machines will have the following advantages:
- high mobility: the ability to quickly change position under enemy fire;
- comfortable conditions that allow for long patrols and effective combat work;
- greater security: the armor of the carrier will protect the crew from small arms fire;
- Larger ammunition: a sniper will not take away so many large-caliber cartridges to hold a siege of a village for a long time;
- highly effective means of reconnaissance: a complex of sights of various types, capable of detecting targets at a greater distance, technical vision, simplifying the detection of targets, an advanced weather station.

Among the shortcomings can be noted the greater visibility of the carrier, but this is inevitable when it comes to comparing a person and a large machine.

Snipers and Tiger Sniper machines should not replace, but complement each other.

The question may arise: why not use the same “Tiger” to solve these problems, but with the existing SMPS, with a 12,7 mm caliber machine gun or even a 30 mm cannon?

Compared with them, Tiger Sniper machines will have the following advantages:
- lower ammunition consumption, since firing is conducted by a single fire;
- the ability to act from closed positions;
- the best opportunities for target detection;
- increased secrecy due to actions from closed positions, the use of silencers, forced cooling of the trunks;
- increased security due to actions from closed positions;
- selectivity of target destruction (absence of collateral damage);
- the provision of a strong demoralizing effect on the enemy.

Machines of the “Tiger-sniper” type with DUMVO should not replace similar machines with a DUMV with a 12,7 mm machine gun or a 30 mm cannon, but supplement them, work with them on the principle of a sniper pair: sniper + machine gunner.

The tactics of using Tiger-sniper machines can be as follows (for example, the conflict in the SAR).

In the event that the troops block a settlement, the Tiger Sniper vehicles with the DUMVO are advanced to positions ensuring effective fire. The positions themselves are selected based on the possibility of hiding the machine behind an obstacle with the subsequent lifting of the mast from the DUMVO. Initially, when planning a mission, several positions can be outlined that the Tiger Sniper can go away upon detection.

While in position, the Tiger Sniper detects enemy targets using the DUMVO reconnaissance equipment and defeats them with high-precision fire. In order to reduce the likelihood of detection by the enemy, the Tiger Sniper can periodically proactively change its position. Such tactics can be especially effective at night.

The second car with a fire engine based on a machine gun or a quick-fire gun guards the Tiger Sniper machine from a surprise attack from the enemy.

conclusions


The creation of remotely controlled modules of high-precision weapons (DUMVO), placed on various types of ground platforms, will not require significant financial resources and can be carried out by enterprises of the military-industrial complex on an initiative basis.

Ground combat equipment with the DUMVO can be effectively used in large-scale and local military conflicts, special and counter-terrorism operations.
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  1. sen
    sen 14 June 2020 05: 01
    +2
    Something similar is stated in the article "ANTI-TERROR WEAPON" in clause 6. "Combat anti-terrorist vehicle" for 2005
    http://www.sinor.ru/~bukren1/anti_t_b.htm
    1. Shopping Mall
      14 June 2020 11: 25
      +2
      Quote: sen
      Something similar is stated in the article "ANTI-TERROR WEAPON" in clause 6. "Combat anti-terrorist vehicle" for 2005
      http://www.sinor.ru/~bukren1/anti_t_b.htm


      Thanks for the link, I have not come across this article before. In principle, yes, there are many similarities. But there are differences. I believe that it is not necessary to complicate the car unnecessarily - a simple, mobile and mobile platform, minimizing cost and size - radars are usually expensive, their panel has impressive dimensions + active radiation unmasks.

      On the other hand, it is quite possible to supply something like the "Fara" radar from the Tula Scientific and Production Association "Strela". In the same Syria, such a complex can carry out primary detection of radar and refinement (recognition) with optics.
      1. Mister X
        Mister X 14 June 2020 19: 31
        +6
        hi
        Your concept resembled the DUMVO from the movie "The Jackal".
        The item for the film (Browning M2HB) was prepared by Stembridge Gun Rentals.



        1. Shopping Mall
          14 June 2020 23: 01
          0
          Quote: Mister X
          hi
          Your concept resembled the DUMVO from the movie "The Jackal".
          The item for the film (Browning M2HB) was prepared by Stembridge Gun Rentals.


          It seems, but there most likely all the same there is the usual RUMW with a small-caliber gun, and not a specialized sniper module.

          The PMSM inside the machine would have to be put in place for it, otherwise the return would simply tear the mounts from the bottom of the machine - the metal would break.
          1. Mister X
            Mister X 15 June 2020 07: 09
            +2
            Quote: AVM
            It seems, but there most likely all the same there is the usual RUMW with a small-caliber gun, and not a specialized sniper module.

            This is Hollywood ...
            Their laws of physics do not always work :)
            Theoretically, you can replace a M2HB machine gun with a VSSK “Exhaust” rifle?
            1. Shopping Mall
              15 June 2020 08: 31
              0
              Quote: Mister X
              Quote: AVM
              It seems, but there most likely all the same there is the usual RUMW with a small-caliber gun, and not a specialized sniper module.

              This is Hollywood ...
              Their laws of physics do not always work :)
              Theoretically, you can replace a M2HB machine gun with a VSSK “Exhaust” rifle?


              Why not? As the character from this movie said hi
              1. Mister X
                Mister X 15 June 2020 12: 19
                +2
                Quote: AVM
                Why not? As the character from this movie said

                And we get a specialized sniper module (DUMVO) wink .
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 June 2020 20: 45
        0
        Quote: AVM
        Thanks for the link, I have not come across this article before


        Belarusian "Adunak" on the lift. From the 140th repair plant in Borisov
        The mast, I'm afraid, is not particularly adapted for such loads.

        By the way, "Agrus" is more expensive than a tank
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 14 June 2020 05: 55
    +2
    A dubious undertaking. The sniper's trump card is stealth. And here he is lost by the silhouette of a multi-ton car. How many shots can a rifle make before this expensive unit burns an RPG? If we already follow the path of automated sniper systems, then on the basis of small-sized controlled all-terrain vehicles or on the basis of the modest size of UAVs.
    1. sanya
      sanya 14 June 2020 09: 40
      0
      If from the new Lobaev rifle you can confidently hit the target at a distance of 5 km, then this whole concept makes sense
      1. Shopping Mall
        14 June 2020 11: 10
        +1
        Quote: sanya
        If from the new Lobaev rifle you can confidently hit the target at a distance of 5 km, then this whole concept makes sense


        And 2-3 kilometers of rifles 12,7-14,5 mm? PMSM is quite a working distance.
        1. sanya
          sanya 14 June 2020 18: 16
          0
          Well put on three kilometers they don't work
          Today grenade launchers (some) have an effective range of 2 km
          But for example, at 5 km, not only all can
      2. Yarhann
        Yarhann 14 June 2020 19: 00
        +5
        Comrade - shooting more than 1km is a sport. You can find a video on the net with a story about a shooter preparing a team and firing at 5 km, now a team from the USA has broken the record by 1 km more if I'm not mistaken. There is such training that it has nothing to do with the combat conditions of reconciliation
    2. Shopping Mall
      14 June 2020 11: 09
      +4
      Quote: Doccor18
      A dubious undertaking. The sniper's trump card is stealth. And here he is lost by the silhouette of a multi-ton car. How many shots can a rifle make before this expensive unit burns an RPG? If we already follow the path of automated sniper systems, then on the basis of small-sized controlled all-terrain vehicles or on the basis of the modest size of UAVs.


      Shooting is conducted from a distance of over 1 km, at this distance there are no RPGs, only ATGMs.

      But the shooting should be conducted from the shelter, with the rise of the DUMVO on the mast by 1-2 meters. The silhouette of the machine itself will not be visible, in the silhouette of the DUMVO is minimal + the barrel is cooled by air, which can not be done by an ordinary sniper.

      An ordinary sniper is not able to drag away such a reconnaissance and sighting system, which can be placed as part of the DUMVO, i.e. in the latter, the opportunities for finding goals will be significantly higher.

      On a rifle as part of the DUMVO, you can put a silencer, which in size will be larger than shown in the article. The sniper man will either not carry him away, or he will greatly shift the balance of the rifle. Its use will hide the position even more.

      Actually, as stated in the article - do not replace the sniper, but supplement it.
    3. vVvAD
      vVvAD 15 June 2020 02: 11
      +1
      Quote: Doccor18
      based on the modest size of the UAV

      it will not be possible to achieve the necessary accuracy.
      But the idea with RTK seems really worthwhile.
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 14 June 2020 06: 08
    +2
    The visibility of the complex can only be leveled by the distance of application. And this is clearly one kilometer away.
    Intelligence, yes, installation of a module to highlight artillery targets for adjustable shells, yes.
    But the sniper complex is doubtful.
    It is possible, on a cheap and cheerful basis, to reincarnate the Baby complex.
  4. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 14 June 2020 06: 17
    +4
    Well, well ... it happens! You can even say: "It's high time!" Because else, somewhere, in the 80s of the last century in the train station. "Foreign Military Review" described "NATO" development of devices, which can be called: "remotely controlled combat modules" (DUBM)! France was the "pioneer", if I am not mistaken. It was in this country that prototypes of self-propelled ATGMs with lifting combat modules with HOT ATGMs appeared in this country ... Such self-propelled ATGMs, in principle, could "shoot" from around the corner! At the same time, I offered the DBM in the form of a "tethered" (cable-cable!) Drone-helicopter. The DBM was placed on a "tower-type" armored vehicle ...! Such combat vehicles could use weapons; "from around a corner", from a trench (funnel), from behind trees, a fence, etc. ...
    1. Lebed
      Lebed 14 June 2020 06: 32
      +2
      You are sitting under the roof, in a comfortable chair in front of the monitor ... And you are a sniper at the same time ...
      I agree with previous commentators - a dubious idea.
      1. Shopping Mall
        14 June 2020 11: 17
        +6
        Quote: Lebed
        You are sitting under the roof, in a comfortable chair in front of the monitor ... And you are a sniper at the same time ...
        I agree with previous commentators - a dubious idea.


        And what is bad? A sniper, if we consider it as a comprehensive combat unit, is not only accurate shooting, but endurance, physical strength. Many snipers cannot be trained, since this is also a kind of talent - piece goods.

        By automating the work of a sniper, we do not get rid of ordinary snipers, we acquire new ones that can shoot accurately, but, for example, are less hardy. And shooting "at the computer" will be easier - there is no shaking hands, recoil to the shoulder, especially when we are talking about 14,5 mm.

        In this case, we will solve specific problems, destroy targets in the same Syria, and no one will blame the excess of force.

        In addition, the sniper fire itself is very demoralizing. If 2-4 Tigers or armored personnel carriers with machine guns work, then the enemy sees them and will try to attack. And when quiet claps are slightly audible, the direction for which is difficult to determine due to sound distortion, and people around die one after another, this is completely different. And it can last for days on end - an ordinary sniper will be very tired from such hard work.
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 14 June 2020 20: 57
          +1
          A variant of countering the "Tiger-sniper" - the UAV (today they are everywhere and everywhere) from a height detects the "tiger" and aims a mortar at it. Against "no aviation" and "no mortar" opponents, you can do with the SVD ...
          1. Shopping Mall
            14 June 2020 22: 58
            0
            Quote: cat Rusich
            A variant of countering the "Tiger-sniper" - the UAV (today they are everywhere and everywhere) from a height detects the "tiger" and aims a mortar at it. Against "no aviation" and "no mortar" opponents, you can do with the SVD ...


            UAVs are not the most difficult target. No, for us so far, yes, but only while they are being shot down with their Carapace. But as soon as laser modules for 5-15 kW or more are registered on armored vehicles, the sky will be cleared from small UAVs. After that, small UAVs can be used only in flocks of 100-1000-10000 pieces. And this is not possible for any riffraff, such as militants in Syria.
        2. English tarantas
          English tarantas 15 June 2020 13: 18
          +1
          And it can last

          If the adversary is not full imbicil, then until the first target falls before a click, and then your tiger can go behind the lane, because he will not see anyone else. Because the adoption of this shaitan-arba our MO will blow to South Africa itself, and Chinese quadrocopters with alik and TNT will look forward to its appearance.
  5. barin
    barin 14 June 2020 07: 07
    -1
    Sniper in the car? I doubt that the efficiency will increase.
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 June 2020 07: 50
    0
    Well, this is not a sniper already, but some kind of ambush post .... a post on the border ... But 12,7 on the mast is some kind of dubious idea. ceteris paribus, you can make a Cornet in a small caliber of 50-70mm with OF warhead. Or an option with an automatic grenade launcher and such a complex with optics and a calculator, it will quite accurately send 3-5 30mm grenades to the target.
    1. Shopping Mall
      15 June 2020 08: 29
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      ... ceteris paribus, you can make a Cornet in a small caliber of 50-70mm with a warhead.


      Probably it is possible by opening R&D in 3-5 years. But the cost of a shot will be 1000 (very optimistic - 5 - 000 dollars. Is it too much for one "barmaley"?

      Quote: Zaurbek
      Or a variant with an automatic grenade launcher and such a complex with optics and a calculator, it will quite accurately send 3-5 30mm grenades to the target.


      It is possible, but the range will be less than that of a large-caliber rifle, and the unmasking is higher. The whole point is lost.
  7. Alexander Samoilov
    Alexander Samoilov 14 June 2020 08: 31
    +4
    "Do not multiply entities beyond need." Remotely controlled sniper systems have been around for three decades. Although domestic models have appeared recently. The essence of MILITARY sniping is not only accuracy but stealth as well. The complex installed on a vehicle will completely lose the latter. In addition, we do not have HIGH PRECISION large-caliber sniper rifles due to the lack of a sniper cartridge for them. The so-called "sniper" 7N34 has an accuracy of 70 cm at 1000 m. That is, like the SVD.
    1. Shopping Mall
      14 June 2020 11: 40
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Samoilov
      "Do not multiply entities beyond need." Remotely controlled sniper systems have been around for three decades. Although domestic models have appeared recently. The essence of MILITARY sniping is not only accuracy but stealth as well. The complex installed on a vehicle will completely lose the latter.


      Not completely. There will simply be a specific application. He will not replace snipers, but will complement them. You are comparing the visibility of a car with a DUMVO with a sniper, but you need to compare the visibility of a car with a DUMVO, with a car with an ordinary DUMVO.

      Machines must work in pairs, for example, a Tiger sniper with DUMVO + Tiger cover with a machine gun 12,7 mm or AGS.

      Quote: Alexander Samoilov
      In addition, we do not have HIGH PRECISION large-caliber sniper rifles due to the lack of a sniper cartridge for them. The so-called "sniper" 7N34 has an accuracy of 70 cm at 1000 m. That is, like the SVD.


      So can refuse large-caliber rifles at all? There is a cartridge problem, and it must be solved in any case, since the range of sniper shooting is growing, so is the importance of large-caliber sniper rifles.

      Information slipped on the network that TsKIB SOO was developing a new rifle for a new 14,5 mm cartridge (not the old Soviet one), something interesting might appear.
      1. Alexander Samoilov
        Alexander Samoilov 14 June 2020 12: 12
        +2
        It doesn't matter if you put a module with a rifle or a cannon on the "Tiger" or motorcycle league. This will not make the car less noticeable. If you work in pairs with machine guns and AGS, then why bother with a rifle? In the city at 200 - 400 meters and the "Kord" will not catch strangers. Unless, of course, the shooter is not a hands-on. And in the mountains there is nothing better than a rapid-fire anti-aircraft gun for direct fire.
        1. Shopping Mall
          14 June 2020 12: 51
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Samoilov
          It doesn't matter if you put a module with a rifle or a cannon on the "Tiger" or motorcycle league. This will not make the car less noticeable.


          It will happen if the reconnaissance / armament module is placed on the mast that has been moved up. The position must be chosen based on the ability to conduct reconnaissance / fire from behind an obstacle - a dune, a hill, a building wall. Existing cars are deprived of this opportunity.

          Quote: Alexander Samoilov
          If you work in pairs with machine guns and AGS, then why do a rifle?


          The second vehicle in a pair is needed to cover the first one, in case, for example, an enemy breakthrough. It is needed in order, if necessary, to cover the departure from the position with dense fire. It does not work in "normal" mode.

          Quote: Alexander Samoilov
          In the city at 200 - 400 m and the "Kord" will not catch strangers. Unless, of course, the shooter is not a hands-on. And in the mountains there is nothing better than a rapid-fire anti-aircraft gun for direct fire.


          At 200-400 meters, the car will be quickly spotted and attacked with everything that is. What we have in existing conflicts.

          Our optimal working distance is 1000-2000 meters for 12,7, and if new TsKIB SOO 14,5 mm or DXL-5 rifles are made, then 2000-3000 meters.

          Reducing the range dramatically increases the chances of the vehicle being deployed. For emergency situations, when the enemy approached closer than 500-600 meters, the module should have a second Exhaust rifle, which is even more difficult to detect.
          1. Alexander Samoilov
            Alexander Samoilov 14 June 2020 16: 14
            +3
            The height of a typical Soviet five-story building is 15 m. How long will it take to rise, and most importantly, lower the module if you need to quickly leave the position? wink It is easier and cheaper to drop 3-4 sniper pairs from a regular car along a route that will rise to the upper floors and roofs, covering a much larger area. If your system will not use controlled bullets, such as SNL, then you can forget about shooting at more than 1000 meters. In general, the means of reconnaissance and destruction raised are by no means seditious. But, for some reason, above 3,5 m. They have not been found anywhere. Although the idea is as old as the world.
            1. Shopping Mall
              14 June 2020 18: 05
              0
              Quote: Alexander Samoilov
              The height of a typical Soviet five-story building is 15 m. How long will it take to rise, and most importantly, lower the module if you need to quickly leave the position? wink


              We raise it by 1-2 meters, and not to the height of the five-story building. It is quite possible to raise / lower the module in 10 seconds.

              Quote: Alexander Samoilov
              It is easier and cheaper to drop 3-4 sniper pairs from a regular car along a route that will rise to the upper floors and roofs, covering a much larger area.


              They need to be prepared, which is much more complicated than the operator of an automated installation.

              They will not be able to carry such perfect reconnaissance equipment that can be put on the machine, and such large and effective silencers that can be put on the machine (size and weight).

              And no one bothers to use snipers as before. There is no statement in the article "this machine will replace snipers", it will supplement them.

              Quote: Alexander Samoilov
              If your system will not use controlled bullets, such as SNL, then you can forget about shooting at more than 1000 meters.


              https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2902040

              I see no reason for this. If a sniper with his hands hit a target for 3,5 km, even if this can be considered luck, then 1000-2000 meters, from a normal rifle, with a high-quality cartridge, from a rigid machine, a very real range.

              Quote: Alexander Samoilov
              In general, the means of reconnaissance and destruction raised are by no means seditious. But, for some reason, above 3,5 m. They have not been found anywhere.


              3,5 meters is very cool, I was counting on two meters. I do not think that it is necessary to develop an extremely complex design, its advantage is precisely in relative simplicity and cheapness. It should not be more expensive than the same Tiger with a 30 mm gun.

              And do not think that these vehicles should replace everything in the army, from snipers to BMPs. No, they should have their own narrow niche. The total number for the Russian army of PMSM is not more than a hundred or two.

              In addition, having developed intelligence devices, they can perform this function (reconnaissance and target designation), but, if necessary, and independently hit the target, without unnecessarily unmasking.
              1. Alexander Samoilov
                Alexander Samoilov 15 June 2020 11: 00
                +1
                A climb of 1-2 meters in a multi-story urban development will give you absolutely no advantages. The usual shooter on the roof of a nine-story building will have a pounding sector much better. Any car, including a regular SUV, is a very large object. Even with the naked eye in the city it is almost impossible not to notice. In the era of drones and multispectral surveillance devices all the more. Robotic sights for small arms already exist. With them, even a person who took a weapon for the first time in his life can shoot at sniper distances. They are still very expensive under million rubles. But it is much cheaper even than a naked Tiger. Up to 1,5 km. More unmanaged bullet stably impossible. In the arsenal of many armies there has long been a rifle whose accuracy theoretically allows you to get into a person up to 2,5 km. But how many times did you manage to do this in practice? For the whole history in a combat situation at a distance of more than 1500 m only 7 (!) Successful shots were fired. And then one of them is from a machine gun. A negligible indicator does not affect the outcome of any conflict. In short, sniper shooting further than 1 km. nobody needs the army because of low efficiency. In the city, the ceiling is 500 meters. But 90% is no further than 300. Therefore, servicemen quickly dubbed “Exhale”. For a city sniper who almost all tasks easily solves 2,5 kg BCC 7 kg and really exhale sick imagination. Modern devices providing firing at least up to 2 km (day and night) are easily carried in hands and mounted on weapons. For example: IWT CYCLOP MK2 weighs only 960 g. Just to repeat, no one needs it. 50BMG bullets fly 2 km. 6-7 sec Who in battle will stand motionless at full height for so long?
                1. Shopping Mall
                  16 June 2020 14: 26
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                  Quote: Alexander Samoilov
                  A climb of 1-2 meters in a multi-story urban development will give you absolutely no advantages. The usual shooter on the roof of a nine-story building will have a pounding sector much better.


                  This is if there are such objects. And if they spot him on the roof, then they will work off him with mortars or artillery, not the fact that they will be able to hide. Those. organize constant combat work - to ensure constant monitoring of the selected area in this mode does not work. A sniper or a group of snipers will constantly have to change positions, the number of which with a normal range of visibility can be limited.

                  Quote: Alexander Samoilov
                  Any car, including a regular SUV, is a very large object. Even with the naked eye in the city it is almost impossible not to notice. In the era of drones and multispectral surveillance devices all the more.


                  Therefore, we hide it behind the barrier, extending the mast by 2-3 meters, cool the barrel with compressed air, use a large, high-performance silencer-flame arrester even for supersonic cartridges. As for small drones, it is absolutely unacceptable to allow their flights. I am planning several articles about small drones and countering them, then we will consider this issue in more detail.

                  Quote: Alexander Samoilov
                  Robotic sights for small arms already exist. With them, even a person who took a weapon for the first time in his life can shoot at sniper distances. They are still very expensive under million rubles. But it is much cheaper even than a naked Tiger. Up to 1,5 km.


                  At the expense of the first time, of course, I doubt very much, but the level of automation on the machine can be much higher - there is no hand trembling, shot expectation errors, physical training and camouflage ability, endurance are not needed.
                  How much can you prepare snipers capable of working for 1-1,5 km, and how much will it cost? And how much can you prepare DUMVO operators? Yes, you can make a game for the lessons of school students in schools, and give the best prizes, then dozens, or even hundreds, of half-trained DUMVO operators will be ready to appeal.

                  Quote: Alexander Samoilov
                  More unmanaged bullet stably impossible.

                  Nevertheless, long-range rifles are being developed - they increase the caliber, bullet speed, and optimize aerodynamics. No wonder there was talk of the DXL-5 Lobaev and the rifle 14,5x132 TsKIB SOO.

                  Quote: Alexander Samoilov
                  In the arsenal of many armies there has long been a rifle whose accuracy allows theoretically to get into a man up to 2,5 km. But how many times did you manage to do this in practice? For the whole history in a combat situation at a distance of more than 1500 m only 7 (!) Successful shots were fired. And then one of them is from a machine gun. A negligible indicator does not affect the outcome of any conflict. In short, sniper shooting further than 1 km. nobody needs the army because of low efficiency. In the city, the ceiling is 500 meters. But 90% is no further than 300. Therefore, servicemen quickly dubbed “Exhale”. For a city sniper who almost all tasks easily solves 2,5 kg of SCD 7 kg and really exhale sick imagination.


                  But the United States is actively wanting to increase the range of clashes, carrying out the NGSW program to replace small arms and developing a machine gun according to the LWMMG program in the overall dimensions of Pecheneg, but with an aiming range of 1700 meters.

                  Perhaps it is the massive introduction of advanced sights and ammunition with high speed and persistence of firing that does not allow to expand the effective shooting range?

                  Quote: Alexander Samoilov
                  Modern devices providing firing at least up to 2 km (day and night) are easily carried in hands and mounted on weapons. For example: IWT CYCLOP MK2 weighs only 960 g. Just to repeat, no one needs it.


                  Have you ever looked in the sight of high magnification, at least x24? On the machine, you can set the sighting system 5-10 times larger, make a variable magnification x10-100, put the matrices larger, increase the diameters of the lenses to increase the field of view, which is unrealistic on a “manual” rifle, make auto-scan of the area, as suggested above add an acoustic complex detection of shots and even small-sized radar type "Farah". And the sniper in the car cannot be blinded by a laser.


                  Radar "Farah"

                  Quote: Alexander Samoilov
                  50BMG bullets fly 2 km. 6-7 sec Who in battle will stand motionless at full height for so long?


                  It is not necessary to stand, but in one or another pose it can be a fighter in a firing position, calculation of a mortar. And if we learn to hit the chest target at 3000 meters, then at 1500 it will be possible to work on the lying one.
                  1. Alexander Samoilov
                    Alexander Samoilov 17 June 2020 12: 28
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                    NGSW has nothing to do with sniping. It provides for an assault rifle and a machine gun in caliber 6,8. The control panel has an aiming range of 1,5 km. and at this distance, especially from the machine, it is still effective, and the SVD or SV-98 under the same cartridge, even a sniper, is no longer, even with hands, even with the machine. Because spending 20-30 rounds on one target is normal for a machine gunner, but not for a sniper.
                    Quote: AVM
                    This is if there are such objects. And if they spot him on the roof, then they will work off him with mortars or artillery, not the fact that they will be able to hide.
                    Look out of the window if you live in a city. If it does not succeed, they will be awarded posthumously, because if one person was able to unmask the positions of artillery or mortars, this is gorgeous and he exceeded his army utility rate.
                    Quote: AVM
                    pushing the mast 2-3 meters
                    Read the article https://www.popmech.ru/weapon/54502-icnayper-test-rossiyskogo-umnogo-pritsela/
                    and pay attention to: "In the event of a moving object appearing in the field of view, the device will notify the shooter using a vibrating alert on the sight's wrist control panel." Even before she finally rises, a bullet is slammed into the scope.
                    Quote: AVM
                    As for small drones, it is absolutely unacceptable to allow their flights.
                    Waiting for your photo from the Nobel Prize in Physics. And UAVs are not the only aerial reconnaissance available to the infantry. With reconnaissance shells how? They are now even for grenade launchers.
                    Quote: AVM
                    At the expense of the first time, of course, I doubt very much, but the level of automation on the machine can be much higher - there is no hand trembling, shot expectation errors, physical training and camouflage ability, endurance are not needed.
                    How much can you prepare snipers capable of working for 1-1,5 km, and how much will it cost?
                    Read the article all questions will disappear.
                    Quote: AVM
                    No wonder there was talk of the DXL-5 Lobaev and the rifle 14,5x132 TsKIB SOO.
                    Do not confuse record, not even sports, shooting with combat. In practice, a bullet flying for more than three seconds on a live target is a miss.
                    Quote: AVM
                    add a complex of acoustic detection of shots and even a small-sized radar type "Farah"
                    So such a machine already exists on the basis of the Tiger. Called SBRM. Radar and optronics on a 5-meter mast, 2 full-time UAVs in a set, radio direction finder, radio-controlled VU jammer, acoustic detection system for shotguns, DUM with “Cord”, BIUS, GLONASS / GPS navigation, remote guard RSA with seismic, intermittent and magnetic sensors actions, as well as video surveillance equipment. Great thing! Compared with existing scrap metal BRDM-2 and BRM-1K, heaven and earth. Developed in 2012. How many do you think are in the army now? Zero. crying Only the Ministry of Internal Affairs ordered a small batch and that’s it. No matter how cruel it may sound, in a war as in chess - any pieces (equipment, people) are just supplies. It’s cheaper to pay funeral homes for contract snipers, the cost of the car you are offering. And in terms of efficiency, it is not standing next to the department.
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 14 June 2020 22: 00
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Samoilov
              But, for some reason, above 3,5 m. They have not been found anywhere.

              Coyote's mast rises 10 meters, Snezhka's 14 meters, Credo-1C 15 meters
  8. Simfy
    Simfy 14 June 2020 09: 20
    +1
    Well, at least laughed in the morning))) move the article to the feuilleton section)
  9. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 14 June 2020 10: 25
    +1
    The question may arise: why not use the same “Tiger” to solve these problems, but with the existing SMPS, with a 12,7 mm caliber machine gun or even a 30 mm cannon?


    And the answer in the article to this question is unconvincing.
    1. Shopping Mall
      14 June 2020 11: 31
      +1
      Quote: VicktorVR
      The question may arise: why not use the same “Tiger” to solve these problems, but with the existing SMPS, with a 12,7 mm caliber machine gun or even a 30 mm cannon?


      And the answer in the article to this question is unconvincing.


      1. Visibility. A TIGER with a machine gun after the first turn will be detected, and the enemy will try to suppress it with all his might.
      2. Shooting from behind cover. The machine gun on the mast will be much more difficult to do - firing in bursts will give significantly greater returns.
      3. Silent fire demoralizes. You can also put a silencer on a machine gun, but in any case the efficiency will be lower, the barrel will quickly heat up, and thermal imagers are not uncommon now.
      4. Collateral damage - civilians, infrastructure elements, a machine gun, and even more so a cannon, can "crumble" what is needed and what is not.
      1. psiho117
        psiho117 15 June 2020 20: 40
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        The author, it seems to me, you immediately swung at too much.
        As if the aircraft designer in the 30s were given the task to develop an airplane - and he immediately issued a full-metal reactive monoplane.
        This despite the fact that there is no duralumin, no technology for this, no pilots and tactics either.
        To begin with KVM, it is necessary to bring to the military tests a conventional, portable remote-controlled sniper complex and an electronic computer complex for it, to identify its children's sores, to develop and begin production of high-precision 12,7 mm ammunition, to train operators and tactics of application ...

        After that, it is already possible to install the finished complex in a telescopic DBM, and sculpt it on any reconnaissance vehicle - then there will be no questions.
        Now, when none of this is available, it will be very difficult to explain to the scouts why they are trying to stick a sniper in and turn them from scouts into xx someone, and how they will fight back if they find out - there is no gun or ATGM.
        You just presented us with the concept at the final stage, and skipped paragraphs 1..2..3..4 before the paragraph PROFIT!
        But I like the idea itself, and it will probably be embodied in the metal in the future: self-propelled mortars, ATGMs, air defense systems and other craps on the chassis of army off-road vehicles already exist, and sniper systems will also find their niche.
  10. grandfather_Kostya
    grandfather_Kostya 14 June 2020 12: 22
    +2
    The idea is quite lively if it is possible to choose a hidden position (behind an earthen rampart, in a hollow, on a clearing in a dense forest, etc.). And I would make a tower with a double mast - the bottom is rigidly welded to the turntable, the upper platform is hinged in the direction of fire. Mast rigidity requirements will decrease dramatically!
  11. Siegfried
    Siegfried 14 June 2020 13: 32
    +1
    it’s even better to create a 12-30mm special tool with the highest possible initial projectile speed. Something like a sleeve from 125 mm shoots a 14 mm projectile. The design itself is also special, heavy-duty, possibly in the form of an arrow. The task is to have an initial speed of 10.000 +++ m / s ?. The range of the exact defeat of the target, let’s say watermelon 10 km or more. Optics, laser rangefinder, etc., all with excessive resolution.

    Such a design should punch through houses. The method of application of the siege of cities as in Syria. At a distance of 10 km, day and night, the car observes the city and destroys the identified targets. For hidden purposes, a mortar complex of 120 mm with a UAV is needed. UAV with laser target designator. 120 mm mines are guided by a laser beam. Thus, two such systems can keep the whole city at bay and effectively destroy the enemy.

    For example, at night, the appearance of an attack on a city, shooting, infantry exit to the city is created. The enemy immediately takes up positions; there are many targets in the windows throughout the city. The sniper system simply shoots them, even behind the walls.
    1. Shopping Mall
      14 June 2020 16: 13
      +1
      Quote: Siegfried
      e ... For hidden purposes, you need a complex of 120 mm mortar with a UAV. UAV with laser target designator. 120 mm mines are guided by a laser beam. Thus, two such systems can keep the whole city at bay and effectively destroy the enemy ...


      Such a complex already exists, at least without an UAV - https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4039234.html

      Mortar 120 mm on the Tigre + complex "Gran" - a mine with guidance on the reflected laser beam. Targeting, in theory, can be done with a UAV - the illumination and communication complex will weigh about 20 kg.

      An article was planned about such a complex, but somehow it was not enough ...
  12. evgen1221
    evgen1221 14 June 2020 13: 38
    0
    The killer’s ball from the Jackal remake movie. I stuffed the equipment in the van and sit in another country, but click on the buttons))))
  13. garri-lin
    garri-lin 14 June 2020 13: 51
    +1
    The idea itself is sound. Only the use of the machine is borderline. I can anti-terrorist operation police and war. The question is in the executor. Rifles 12 and 14 mm are few. Need a 20 23 mm gun with an accurate projectile. And with an assortment of shells. And to him in a pair of small-caliber missiles. TV head, optical cable, 3500m range, 500 grams of charge. Israel has something similar.
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 14 June 2020 17: 43
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      Quote: garri-lin
      I can anti-terrorist operation police and war.

      Yes, the borders have long been erased - especially since they largely appeared because of the expectation of a nuclear war, but the experience of the Second World War and almost all the conflicts of the second half of the XNUMXth century regarding light wheeled vehicles, the active use of mines and ambushes, and large-scale raids on the rear depth was, in fact, ignored.

      Quote: garri-lin
      Need a 20 23 mm gun with an accurate projectile. And with an assortment of shells. And to him in a pair of small-caliber missiles. TV head, optical cable, 3500m range, 500 grams of charge.

      I agree with you. Moreover, potential "partners" are already riveting something similar. Only they decided to put a bunch of 12,7 machine gun + ATGM (Dart) on Crowns. And we could well have made a variant of 23 mm + AGS + ATGM (or better a loitering projectile). The problem is that we only have 2 loitering - Lancet and Stiletto, and both, after being used in Syria (when they achieved the defeat of a number of objects), did not shine anywhere else.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 14 June 2020 20: 39
        +1
        AGS and ATGM is unnecessary. A similar machine for jewelry work. And it will be relevant if it learns to hit the target with the first shot in any situation and with a 100 percent guarantee. Perimeter security. The environment of gangs on rough terrain. Minimal collateral damage. Nikakots works on the squares and no strong explosions.
      2. Firelake
        Firelake 15 June 2020 11: 35
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        South Africa seems to be making a 20mm rifle. Our 23 is not very suitable. Again, R&D. But 20ka makes sense. 14,5 / 12,7 do not make sense. Already easier to put a machine gun.
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 15 June 2020 20: 36
          0
          Quote: FireLake
          Our 23 is not very suitable

          So I meant 23 art machine guns and heavy machine guns.
  14. Bodipancher
    Bodipancher 14 June 2020 17: 32
    +2
    In fact, this is a reconnaissance and adjustment machine. If in addition it will be possible to work silently on point targets (grenade launchers, machine gunners, enemy commanders) or, for example, cover reconnaissance and sabotage groups with sniper fire, I think the concept deserves the right to exist). When a group enters the village, extra eyes and a large caliber bullet will never hurt.
  15. Blackgrifon
    Blackgrifon 14 June 2020 17: 36
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    The idea is a good one, but it’s too specialized a car - it’s much more efficient to install a CCD + AGS + ATGM with a 30mm artillery gun (or even some kind of barrage projectile - kamikaze drone).
  16. Lopatov
    Lopatov 14 June 2020 20: 34
    0
    Tactical meteorological observation system Vaisala TacMet MAWS201M

    Last century...
  17. KSVK
    KSVK 14 June 2020 22: 18
    +1
    Sorry, author, but what you offer does not make sense. It makes sense a car with a heavy machine gun, as they have repeatedly pointed out to you, or, for your designated purposes, a mortar mounted on the same Tiger and working from a closed position with the help of spotters is much more effective. In this case, the mortar itself can be tracked only using expensive radars, and the use of a couple of spotters almost eliminates the possibility of their detection. And yes, the firepower of a mortar (for example 88 mm) can not be compared with the firepower of ANY modern or promising sniper rifle. And the mortar range ... well, you know. And if you have a couple of cars and 3-4 TRAINED spotters and you don’t need any tricky weather stations and lifting platforms. Simple and tasteful. These two cars will take apart any roadblock / fortified point for parts. And do not “demoralize” anyone. The dead do not bite. wink
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 June 2020 22: 36
      +1
      Quote: KSVK
      In this case, you can track the mortar itself only using expensive radars

      Using a compass and a stopwatch. The bussol can be replaced with a plumb line.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 14 June 2020 22: 56
        -3
        Quote: Spade
        The bussol can be replaced with a plumb ...

        ... and the stopwatch - by countdown: thirty times, thirty two ...

        This is a banter, do not focus. I'm very far from accurate indirect fire request
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 June 2020 23: 00
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          I'm very far from accurate indirect fire

          Mines with LGSN are very accurate ....
          But the "torch" mortar very much unmasks, so the wunderwaffe will not work.
          Yes, and "Aistenok" is not so expensive.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 14 June 2020 23: 05
            -3
            If the article - IMHO dreams. Perhaps something is being realized, there are no invulnerable means of destruction in nature ...
          2. Shopping Mall
            15 June 2020 08: 14
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            I'm very far from accurate indirect fire

            Mines with LGSN are very accurate ....
            But the "torch" mortar very much unmasks, so the wunderwaffe will not work.
            Yes, and "Aistenok" is not so expensive.


            Very accurate. Personally, I saw consecutive mines of Facet with telemetry (without explosives) in the tank tower at a distance of less than half a meter from each other.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 15 June 2020 11: 10
              0
              Quote: AVM
              Very accurate. Personally, I saw consecutive mines of Facet with telemetry (without explosives) in the tank tower at a distance of less than half a meter from each other.

              Systems of protection against them exist and are very effective. Including for the protection of stationary objects.
    2. Shopping Mall
      15 June 2020 08: 23
      0
      Quote: KSVK
      Sorry, author, but what you offer does not make sense. It makes sense a car with a heavy machine gun, as they have repeatedly pointed out to you, or, for your designated purposes, a mortar mounted on the same Tiger and working from a closed position with the help of spotters is much more effective. In this case, the mortar itself can be tracked only using expensive radars, and the use of a couple of spotters almost eliminates the possibility of their detection. And yes, the firepower of a mortar (for example 88 mm) can not be compared with the firepower of ANY modern or promising sniper rifle. And the mortar range ... well, you know. And if you have a couple of cars and 3-4 TRAINED spotters and you don’t need any tricky weather stations and lifting platforms. Simple and tasteful. These two cars will take apart any roadblock / fortified point for parts. And do not “demoralize” anyone. The dead do not bite. wink


      Calculate the cost of shots and associated damage. For example, if militants need to be smoked somewhere in residential quarters - schools, hospitals ... Of the high-rise buildings with thick ceilings of the enemy, too, not every mortar can be reached, so the whole city can be razed to the ground.

      With mortar shelling, the enemy will hide, change the place of deployment. And the position will still be calculated and attacked. The corrector should be closer, he is at risk, except to use UAVs with all their advantages and disadvantages. The 82 mm mortar range is 3900 maximum, more real than 3000, which is already comparable to large-caliber rifles.

      No, mortars are very important, but these are different niches, one does not cancel the other.

      And about the SLMW with machine guns, the advantages of the SLMW are indicated - selectivity, secrecy, efficiency of consumption of bq.
  18. vVvAD
    vVvAD 15 June 2020 02: 52
    +1
    Quote: AVM
    As intelligence tools should be applied ...

    It seems to me that an anti-sniper acoustic complex is required, since they will pose a certain danger to both the equipment, including optics, and for the crew.
    Quote: AVM
    They need to be prepared, which is much more complicated than the operator of an automated installation.

    They will not be able to carry such perfect reconnaissance equipment that can be put on the machine, and such large and effective silencers that can be put on the machine (size and weight).

    T.O. upon successful implementation:
    5. Greater mass use.
    6. New tactical opportunities in connection with greater lethal force (higher caliber): anti-sniper work, defeat of light armored vehicles.
    When implemented on the basis of a small-caliber gun and the use of fragmentation shells with a timer, the destruction of manpower in trenches, trenches, shelters, including calculations RPG, MANPADS, ATGM, etc.
  19. MoJloT
    MoJloT 15 June 2020 09: 28
    +1
    Car "Tiger Sniper"
    Until the article was published, many here believed that UAVs would fight for all kinds of troops.
  20. KSVK
    KSVK 15 June 2020 13: 19
    +1
    Quote: AVM

    Calculate the cost of shots and associated damage. For example, if militants need to be smoked somewhere in residential quarters - schools, hospitals ... Of the high-rise buildings with thick ceilings of the enemy, too, not every mortar can be reached, so the whole city can be razed to the ground.

    In general, I meant a military operation, not a counter-terrorist one. And in "residential neighborhoods" you will not find ranges in kilometers. And there will be nowhere to hide the "Tiger". In such conditions, an ordinary sniper works with an ordinary rifle.
    Quote: AVM

    With mortar shelling, the enemy will hide, change the place of deployment. And the position will still be calculated and attacked.

    Of course they will. For this, the mortar is made "self-propelled" in order to quickly change position. The same is with the observer. And with the use of drones.
    But about to destroy ... To destroy the mortar, firing from closed positions, you need another mortar. laughing Well, or a platoon of motorized rifles, which before that mortar should reach a distance of visibility.
    Quote: AVM

    The 82 mm mortar range is 3900 maximum, more real than 3000, which is already comparable to large-caliber rifles.

    Here IMHO with "selectivity" at such distances is just the problem.
    0,5 arcminutes (this is a very good accuracy for a large-caliber rifle)
    at a distance of 3000 meters it will be 45 cm. And this is without taking into account wind errors, and experience shows that it is VERY problematic to calculate the wind correction at such a distance. So the defeat of a target like a person at such a distance is highly doubtful.
  21. KSVK
    KSVK 15 June 2020 13: 20
    +1
    Quote: vVvAD

    It seems to me that anti-sniper is mandatory acoustic complex

    Could it be OPTICAL? winked
  22. Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 15 June 2020 15: 07
    +1
    Maybe it makes sense to drive along some sort of held road with a cannon sticking out over the embankment. In general, with the mast, the positions along the front will change quickly.
  23. uav80
    uav80 15 June 2020 15: 21
    +1
    If systems with ATMs and automatic cannons have already been implemented in the world, the same project of the 80s "Panther 1/2" for example, then what prevents from doing the rifle ...



    1. Andrey.AN
      Andrey.AN 15 June 2020 16: 04
      +1
      They are not as universal as humans. But in theory, if such a system allows you to choose a position in greater numbers, at great distances and faster, everything is constantly tuned to work, shot and set sail from where they were not waiting, lupanul went on and on, then there may be a good performance gain.