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The Russians complained about the cancellation of the "presidential" child allowance for debts

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A scandalous situation has shown itself, to which ordinary citizens pay attention. Messages appeared on the network from Russians who had previously received child support, recently called "presidential". The reports say that funds received by children began to be debited from the accounts of citizens - at the expense of certain debts.


Earlier it was reported that the “presidential” allowance of 10 thousand rubles, which is paid for children aged 3 to 16 years due to financial difficulties due to the coronavirus pandemic, will not be collected against debts. However, some bank customers claim that money was nevertheless debited from their accounts.

In this regard, banks are checking.

The verification is reported, in particular, by the information service TASS with reference to the banking press service. The bank said in a rather ornate language that "client cases with submitted requests are not systemic and each request is checked." It is additionally noted that Sberbank has a system for determining payments of a social nature that ensures “the correct execution of penalties in court proceedings”.

Recall that to receive 10 thousand rubles per child, Russians are invited to submit an application either through the website of the State Service, or through the MFC branch. The allowance is one-time.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 11 June 2020 09: 51
    11
    Bankers have their own goals, objectives, and methods of influencing the client ... there are many honest ways to legitimately take money from citizens ... bankers are fluent in it ... stories with presidential benefits are not surprising.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 11 June 2020 09: 53
      -1
      Why do you call "Take yours" weaning? I don’t take loans and banks don’t take anything from me. Or do you think it's the norm to borrow and not give back? If so, borrow me some money.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 11 June 2020 09: 55
        32
        "Take your" weaning? I don’t take loans and banks don’t take anything from me.

        Money given by the president to children smile bankers decided that it was their money ... turn on the logic ... the children did not borrow money from banks.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 11 June 2020 09: 57
          23 th
          Money given by the president to children smile bankers decided that it was their money ... turn on the logic ... the children did not borrow money from banks.

          They give money not to children, but to parents. Children cannot even withdraw this money.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 11 June 2020 10: 00
            28
            This is money allocated for the maintenance of children, not bankers.
          2. Same lech
            Same lech 11 June 2020 10: 00
            22
            They give money not to children, but to parents.

            You do not understand ... they give money to children and parents, as legal guardians, dispose of them for children at their discretion.
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 11 June 2020 10: 04
              14
              Unlike the bank, the court knew the laws. The court stated that the bank’s initiative to write off money is a direct violation of the prohibition of foreclosure on the amount of benefits to citizens with children.


              https://rg.ru/2015/12/08/bank.html
              I recommend to everyone who in such an impudent way, banks wrote off money to go straight to court.
          3. Lopatov
            Lopatov 11 June 2020 10: 05
            15
            They give parents to provide the best content for children in a difficult period. Target payout.
            Withdrawal of this money from parents will not help children.
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 11 June 2020 10: 08
              12
              They give parents to provide the best content for children in a difficult period. Target payout.

              Then what is the point of calling such a benefit to help children if it goes straight to the bankers ... absurdity.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 11 June 2020 10: 13
                +2
                what do the bankers have to do with it? the bank decided on its own, let me start collecting the debts myself on a communal apartment? So do you imagine that?
                1. Same lech
                  Same lech 11 June 2020 10: 16
                  11
                  the bank decided on its own, let me start collecting the debts myself on a communal apartment?

                  what do the bankers have to do with it?

                  And who then writes off presidential money to children on the accounts of citizens? ... Martians or what?
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 11 June 2020 10: 17
                    -3
                    performance list. court decision. the bank only obeys
                    1. Same lech
                      Same lech 11 June 2020 10: 20
                      11
                      performance list. court decision. the bank only obeys

                      Oh really...
                      once again I attach a link to the bank's flagrant arbitrariness.
                      https://rg.ru/2015/12/08/bank.html
                  2. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor 11 June 2020 10: 18
                    +8
                    with a probability of 99 percent, all the same bailiffs .. rather questions to these civil servants ..
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 11 June 2020 10: 20
                      -4
                      exactly. it is necessary to deal with them.
                    2. Same lech
                      Same lech 11 June 2020 10: 25
                      13
                      with a probability of 99 percent, still bailiffs ..

                      If the bailiffs do not know the laws of Russia how they generally work in their positions ... belay
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 11 June 2020 10: 36
                        -1
                        and they do not care. they cannot track where your money comes from. gave away the executive and sit straight. this is wrong at all. my mother forever forgets to pay on time for the apartment. there is money but no discipline. she always takes money from the card for any garbage. still removed. the whole trouble is that before getting to the bailiffs a lot of time passes. year on average. plus they process them for a long time. and essentially these are old debts
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 11 June 2020 10: 45
                        +6
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        they cannot track where your money comes from.

                        Can not?
                        How interesting.
                        And how then to fight corruption, terrorism and drug trafficking?
                      3. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 11 June 2020 10: 53
                        +3
                        bailiffs?) should they fight this?)
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 11 June 2020 10: 57
                        +4
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        bailiffs?) should they fight this?)

                        The state has all the tools to monitor where the money came from.

                        And if the bailiffs are unable to use such tools, they should not just be driven away, they should be imprisoned for negligence.
                        And undermining the credibility of the state, which they allegedly serve.
                      5. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 11 June 2020 11: 05
                        +7
                        law enforcement officers have no authority to monitor the movement of funds from somewhere to where .. even the Ministry of Internal Affairs has such authority only within the framework of verification of an application or the fact of a crime .. to such a system that all movements throughout the banking system are given to the ordinary enforcement officer -This is already a pick-up, not a hat for Senka-not all FSB units have such powers ..
                        But what could have been done, just put a mark in the received payment - "social benefits", why they don't do that, I don't know ..
                      6. Hagen
                        Hagen 11 June 2020 11: 33
                        -6
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        law enforcement officers have no authority to monitor the movement of funds from somewhere to where .. even the Ministry of Internal Affairs has such authority only within the framework of verification of an application or the fact of a crime .. to such a system that all movements throughout the banking system are given to the ordinary enforcement officer -This is already a pick-up, not a hat for Senka-not all FSB units have such powers ..

                        Write nonsense. If the court ruled that the client must pay some money and the decision has entered into force, then enforcement proceedings are instituted. In this case, the bailiffs find out the availability of bank accounts and ask them to be seized, as well as request information on the availability of funds in the account. After the bailiffs learned about the client’s accounts, they give an order to write off funds.
                      7. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 11 June 2020 11: 40
                        +1
                        but they cannot know where the money comes from in these accounts. they do not have authority for such information. you inattentively read what the conversation is about. it is about the movement of money in accounts and not about their presence there.
                      8. Hagen
                        Hagen 11 June 2020 13: 42
                        -2
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        but they cannot know where the money comes from on these accounts

                        I repeat, bailiffs collect information about the availability of funds. This information contains data on those funds that are not subject to write-off.
                    3. alexmach
                      alexmach 11 June 2020 12: 26
                      +3
                      I suspect that here, after all, it is not the bailiffs in the case, but the banks themselves who write off funds from the account to pay off credit debt. Automatically, according to the contract.
                    4. 2 Level Advisor
                      2 Level Advisor 11 June 2020 12: 39
                      +2
                      How does your Gazprombank write off from an account in Sber for example? It is only bailiffs can ..
                    5. alexmach
                      alexmach 11 June 2020 12: 40
                      0
                      How does your Gazprombank write off from an account in Sber for example? It is only bailiffs can ..

                      I assume that all the same, both debt and current account in the same bank. And if a person was already confused to take a loan at one bank and a current account in another, and it came to bailiffs and account arrests, then let him rake the situation himself. Seriously.
                    6. 2 Level Advisor
                      2 Level Advisor 11 June 2020 12: 43
                      +1
                      In this case, it may write off the bank .. in order to receive the payment you need to indicate the account- people rarely open a new bank account where they should .. but it happens .. that's why I wrote 99%, that the bailiffs are 1% that the bank smile And it’s not only about debts on loans that went, maybe a communal apartment, fines, etc.
              2. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 11 June 2020 12: 37
                -2
                It’s great that you know the procedure for seizing a citizen.
                Well, now explain what you said, what is the attitude to the topic of conversation, namely, to the write-off of the "presidential" money received at the person's account, due to the arrest imposed earlier by the bailiff in this regard? And the fact that in the end they are written off automatically and the person, for this reason, does not receive them?
                Please read carefully the article and comments first, and then say ..
              3. Hagen
                Hagen 11 June 2020 13: 54
                0
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                Well, now explain what you said, what is the attitude to the topic of conversation, namely, to the write-off of the "presidential" money received at the person's account, due to the arrest imposed earlier by the bailiff in this regard?

                The most direct. Weeds can be in all fields of activity. Maybe the bank doesn’t indicate the non-deductible amount. In any case, illegal decisions of both the court and the bank can be appealed.
              4. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 11 June 2020 14: 51
                -1
                so you didn’t understand ... I’m telling ... Writing off money from the account on which the arrest occurs automatically, but the point is that this money is not for paying off debts (including legal ones), but for children and helping children and at the expense of the debts of parents, this money is not written off correctly. About this article. This is a conversation. Not about why this is so under the law, but about the fact that it would be necessary to fix it somehow that children are not to blame for the debts of their parents. And social payment came to them.
              5. Hagen
                Hagen 11 June 2020 20: 37
                -1
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                so you do not understand ... telling ..

                Now I tell you:
                ".... It is important to understand that the bailiffs impose seizure on all current accounts of the debtor, regardless of their purpose. Challenging collection from accounts to which the above payments are transferred (compensation for harm, injury and other troubles;
                finances paid to the debtor in connection with the loss of the breadwinner; alimony payments; sums insured; maternity capital and other benefits for children.) is borne by the debtor himself. This is especially true when the debtor did not receive notice from the bailiffs and did not know about the write-off. In this case, it is appropriate to prepare to protect your legitimate interests .... "
              6. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 11 June 2020 22: 51
                -1
                Hagen, you are spelling out everything correctly, suggesting the right options-to fix the jambs of the bailiffs .. That's all right ..
                But the point is that it is not normal to write off social payments. And nobody can argue that you can always do something .. you can still write to the chief of the bailiff, to the prosecutor’s office, to the court in the end .. And why does the situation arise that you have to run around to get the subsidy stipulated by law and to prove something to everyone? Do you understand what it was about? And how it is in fact - I already know very well ..
              7. Hagen
                Hagen 11 June 2020 23: 24
                -1
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                It’s not normal to write off social payments.

                Yes, I agree. But I do not consider it even more normal not to repay debts and not to take steps for the pre-trial settlement of my debts.
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                And why does the situation generally arise that in order to receive the subsidy provided by law, one must run around and prove something to everyone?

                And because you need to competently conduct your farm. Even when there is no money to pay the debt, bankruptcy proceedings can be carried out. And yes, you have to run. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Managed to owe money, be able and admonish with his duty.
  2. Pilot
    Pilot 11 June 2020 11: 19
    +3
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: carstorm 11
    they cannot track where your money comes from.

    Can not?
    How interesting.
    And how then to fight corruption, terrorism and drug trafficking?

    So, according to the old scheme, “they fight,” is when you can’t overcome it, then you need to lead. Remember the Argentinean coke under a diplomatic roof, and corruption in general is the basis of this Putin’s statehood.
  3. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 11 June 2020 11: 28
    -8
    for sure. this is the same coke that the ambassador himself handed over to the police and then they said thanks to him there?) Are you talking about this Putin statehood? I dare to recall that from this story they made a bogeyman on an echo of matzah and completely distorted everything. at the same time, in the Argentine press in all this was fully presented as a joint operation in which diplomas from the Russian Federation participated. but it’s also not interesting, is it?) you should not raise this topic. even those who created it with us like a horror story fell silent and don’t even mention it because it was necessary to work hard to get caught turning over the facts ... because in all sources now it sounds like this: Cocaine smuggling from the Russian Embassy in Argentina was stopped during a joint special operations of the special services of Russia and Argentina, carried out in 2016-2018. As a result, the supply chain of cocaine from Argentina to the European market was shut down, presumably using diplomatic channels.
  4. Pereira
    Pereira 11 June 2020 11: 21
    +1
    Nobody really fights. Sixes are caught for reporting.
  5. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 11 June 2020 15: 46
    0
    If the bailiffs do not know the laws of Russia how they generally work in their positions ... belay
    Mostly moral ones work there.
  • alexmach
    alexmach 11 June 2020 12: 22
    -3
    And who then writes off presidential money to children on the accounts of citizens? ... Martians or what?

    And yet - please explain to me how a "damned banker" can distinguish between "presidential" money in the account, which he cannot write off as a debt from non-presidential, ordinary, which is still possible?
  • KAV
    KAV 11 June 2020 10: 25
    +1
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Then what is the point of calling such a benefit to help children if it goes straight to the bankers ... absurdity.

    That's why escalate? Also say that absolutely all this benefit went to bankers.
    I am not a defender of our moneybags from the banking sector. Yes, they are still robbers. But, with your own head, you must finally start to think ...
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 11 June 2020 10: 18
    -5
    and how to mark it when crediting money to accounts?) money is money.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 11 June 2020 10: 26
      +4
      And these are not the problems of parents, these are problems of banks.

      They do not forget about debts.
      But the fact that money is a targeted payment by decision of the President of the country is not a sin for them to forget.

      It seems that the guys obviously lost the coast.
      1. Constructor68
        Constructor68 11 June 2020 11: 37
        +3
        They do not forget about debts.
        But the fact that money is a targeted payment by decision of the President of the country is not a sin for them to forget.

        It seems like a smart person, but write nonsense. There the way is this: first, the court decides to recover the debt in favor of the claimant. If the amount of debt by the defendant is not paid by the due date, the debt is transferred to the FSSP. The bailiffs first pass the order to the bank to seize the account. The bank is forced to obey and fulfill the demand. From this moment, any funds received to the debtor's account are debited without acceptance to the debt account. Any. Automatically. No one sits and does not manually track - from what account and for what reason the funds came. Writing indignation in a passionate impulse of justice is certainly good, but you need to use your head
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 11 June 2020 16: 22
          +1
          Quote: Designer 68
          It seems like a smart person, but write nonsense.

          Here you are like a smart person ...
          The state in the person of its Most Important Official decided to support citizens with children. But this money was taken from these citizens

          As a "kind of smart person" tell me how citizens will react to this. And to the state, and to the Most important official of this state?

          Quote: Designer 68
          No one sits and does not track manually

          Question: no fight against corruption, no fight against terrorism, no fight against the sale of drugs?
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 11 June 2020 12: 30
        +1
        It seems that the guys obviously lost the coast

        Yes, no, these are the problems of parents and the organization of these same targeted payments.
        Do you make a targeted payment and introduce a restriction on it that it is not subject to collection? So transfer it to a special account, and not to a regular account to which everything else is dripping and even some automatic charges are tied.

        Officials in Russia do not know how to work, that’s all, and there’s nothing to nod at the mirror if the face is crooked.
        The president made a beautiful PR move, and the lofty vertical is not capable of realizing it. Either learn how to effectively implement your own solutions, create the necessary tools for this, or you can’t make a sound of it.
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 11 June 2020 10: 29
      +2
      and how to mark it when crediting money to accounts?) money is money.

      I don’t know ... let the bankers scratch their turnips on how to do it ... they gave too much will and rights.
      1. Constructor68
        Constructor68 11 June 2020 11: 39
        +1
        Nonsense do not write
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 11 June 2020 11: 40
          0
          He wrote ... I am writing and I will write. hi
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 12 June 2020 22: 20
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Withdrawal of this money from parents will not help children.

    Why not? It reduces the likelihood that parents will be thrown out of the apartment for debts, and the children will be taken away by the guardianship authorities. Well, or at least this event is delayed.
  • KAV
    KAV 11 June 2020 10: 23
    +1
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    The president gave the money to the children. The bankers decided that it was their money ... turn on the logic ... the children did not borrow money from banks.

    That is, again it turns out interesting ... To get money just like that - everyone is ready, but to repay debts - no? It is impossible to mark a certain amount of money in a bank account with a specific membership in a child allowance. It was not necessary to save up debts that I was not ready to repay. Or, first you had to pay the debts, and then get the allowance. And then, again, it turns out that everyone is to blame, but not the debtors themselves?
    I want to add right away that I am far from enthusiastic about bankers and I am not their defender.
    Just as you watch the news, where hundreds and thousands of people are hiding in quick loans, you begin to understand that this is not a problem in bankers, but in the heads of ordinary people.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 11 June 2020 10: 28
      +6
      It is impossible to mark a certain amount of money in a bank account with a specific membership in a child allowance.

      So there should be a separate account for the children ...
      It was not necessary to save up debts that I was not ready to repay.

      No need to shift responsibility from debtors to his children ... this is complete insanity ... how a young child can be responsible for the actions of his parents. am
      1. KAV
        KAV 11 June 2020 10: 41
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        So there should be a separate account for the children ...

        As an option. I agree completely.
        But, in this case, it is necessary to introduce a mandatory report for parents that this money was spent strictly on children! Otherwise, there will be quite a few who themselves will not mind living on children's money.
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        No need to shift responsibility from debtors to his children ... this is complete insanity ... how a young child can be responsible for the actions of his parents.

        Children are not responsible for their parents, but parents are responsible for their children! Once again I want to repeat: I’m not confident in my abilities - do not take loans! Moreover, you can not take anyhow where!
        I agree that the situations are completely different, but really poor, without the opportunity to improve their condition - such a smaller part of all debtors. Many who fly fines for enforcement. Many who owe debts for a communal apartment (I know many cases with the owners of expensive apartments, which for some reason simply do not pay). A lot of overdue loan payments. And they all applied for benefits! I know even those whom the poor cannot name the language, but they draw up statements with a light soul and are paid to them. Well, if you are all ready to take money, then be prepared and give it away.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 11 June 2020 11: 43
          +7
          Once again I want to repeat: I’m not confident in my abilities - do not take loans! Moreover, you can not take anyhow where!

          It’s easy to say ... why do banks easily issue loans to insolvent individuals?
          After all, the banker understands that there will be problems with the repayment of the loan ... but nevertheless he goes for it ... it means that the bank has an interest in this ... it means somehow the bank will still repay the bad loan ... what a stupid system .
          1. KAV
            KAV 11 June 2020 11: 55
            +2
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            it means the bank has an interest in this ... it means somehow the bank will still repay the bad loan ...

            Exactly! And they repay bad loans due to high interest rates on loans, namely from those borrowers who are solvent. It turns out that one part of the borrowers (solvent) feeds through banks the other part of the borrowers (insolvent). Here is such a parsley.
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 11 June 2020 12: 36
        -1
        So there should be a separate account for the children ...

        And who should have thought about this?
        - damn banker?
        - Or the parent who is supposed to pay .. well, and debt collection?
        - Or a president making interesting decisions?
        - Or is the authority implementing these decisions?

        IMHO The banker should not think for you. He has his own work, no matter how you relate to it, and his own family that he cares about.

        No need to shift responsibility from debtors to his children ... it's insanity

        Well, the money allocated to the child is managed by his adult (in most cases) and competent parents. So let an adult solve his adult problems.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 11 June 2020 10: 42
      +5
      Quote: KAV

      That is, again it turns out interesting ... To get money just like that - everyone is ready, but to repay debts - no?

      You walk along the sidewalk, you see a hungry Vasya. Vasya tells you "help me, I haven't eaten for three days." You take a bun out of your bag and try to hand it to the hungry, but a well-dressed gentleman pulls it out of your hands, and with the words "Vasya owes me money" puts it in his bosom.

      Question: Do you keep silent after this? Or give the gentleman a tambourine?

      Question two: how should the President, a judoka and a KGB officer, who are not "former", should react to this?
      1. KAV
        KAV 11 June 2020 11: 03
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        Question: Do you keep silent after this? Or give the gentleman a tambourine?

        For starters, it would be worthwhile to find out who this gentleman is. If he is a legal representative of the government, for example, an employee of the FSSP, then he will be hampered to hinder him.
        Exaggerating is easy, but sometimes pointless. This is not the case when it is useful.
        Quote: Spade
        Question two: how should the President react to this?

        Well, let's see. I must definitely react, I think.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 11 June 2020 11: 09
          0
          Quote: KAV
          For starters, it would be worthwhile to find out who this gentleman is.

          That is, you will not give to the tambourine, but you will find out who this gentleman is.
          Accepted.

          Quote: KAV
          If he is a legal representative of the government, for example, an employee of the FSSP, then he will be hampered to hinder him.

          And I heard that "Article 80.1. The President of the Russian Federation is the head of state." He, not a "FSSP employee"
          1. KAV
            KAV 11 June 2020 11: 50
            -1
            Quote: Spade
            That is, you will not give to the tambourine, but you will find out who this gentleman is.
            Accepted.

            If I understand correctly, do you prefer to start any conversation with a blow to the tambourine?
            Quote: Spade
            And I heard that "Article 80.1. The President of the Russian Federation is the head of state." He, not a "FSSP employee"

            What does it have to do with it? Do FSSP employees need to first ask the President for permission for all their actions? They have job responsibilities and instructions that they follow.
            Either you really do not understand the absurdity of your statements, or you intentionally exaggerate and distort. Both that, and another - not so well.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 11 June 2020 16: 25
              -1
              Quote: KAV
              What does it have to do with it?

              And despite the fact that Vasya does not give the bun to someone, but the President of the Russian Federation.
              And when you declare certain characters that even him should look back on, this is strange.
              1. KAV
                KAV 11 June 2020 16: 34
                -1
                Quote: Spade
                And despite the fact that Vasya does not give the bun to someone, but the President of the Russian Federation.

                Super! But this is bad luck - the FSSP does not see the inscription on the bun that it is from the President of the Russian Federation! This is not written on it!
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 11 June 2020 18: 08
                  0
                  Quote: KAV
                  But this is bad luck - FSSP do not see the inscription on the bun

                  And this is not Vasya's problem, this is your problem. That your subordinates hammer beautiful impulses on your "souls"
                2. KAV
                  KAV 11 June 2020 20: 08
                  -1
                  Quote: Spade
                  subordinates hammer on your "souls beautiful impulses"

                  Listen, you really don’t eat, or pretend?
                  No one scored! How many times should I repeat that the money in the account is not signed as "child support" !!!
  • seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 11 June 2020 10: 30
    +4
    Didn’t get in time? At the next deception of the bank by veins, they can indicate your phone number for securing a loan, then you learn how to prove your involvement in this matter
  • Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 11 June 2020 10: 41
    +6
    Quote: Muvka
    Why do you call "Take yours" weaning? I don’t take loans and banks don’t take anything from me. Or do you think it's the norm to borrow and not give back? If so, borrow me some money.

    A couple of years ago there was an advertising campaign with a slogan like "take a loan, get your child to school." I believe that in a healthy state, a working person should not need loans in principle, he should have enough anyway, not to mention "get the child to school." In general, you are not embarrassed that money is given to people because in connection with the crisis and the crown, many of them have lost their jobs, it is logical that they cannot pay loans, they have nothing to live on, not that they pay loans and they are given this money so that they can live, and not to pay off their debts to the bank. In normal countries, in such cases, credit holidays are made available, but not here ... have you read the conditions under which you fall under credit holidays? read ...
    A little bit off topic - my friend is emigrating to Canada, he is not yet a citizen, but he has already bought a house in a suburb of Toronto, opened accounts for the whole family in a Canadian bank, passed exams, etc. I come to visit him and he tells a story - I'm sitting, I’m relaxing, I’m not bothering anyone, the phone is ringing from a Canadian bank manager, saying that since you are not a citizen, we can only pay you Canadian 1600 dollars, due to a pandemic of the crown, will you leave on your account or withdraw? For 3 months in a row they have been sending money, without inquiries, statements or other nonsense. Evaluate the attitude ... and we have babosiks on the table, do not care that you have nothing to eat, and do not care about your children, we have ours. The house, by the way, was taken on a mortgage even before the pandemic, 2%, and the down payment is 8%. By the way, I took a mortgage at the same time, about 9,5% and the initial 20%, and I don’t fall under credit holidays, but my friend falls, but he didn’t stop paying, because there is money.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 11 June 2020 10: 48
      +1
      for sure. probably this is why all countries of the world have a population loaned by the most tonsils) Almost all developed countries have a population debt of over 50% of GDP (with the exception of Italy), while in developing countries excess of debt over 25% of GDP is rare. China, by the way, is increasing its debt very rapidly even in terms of population. Twice since 2007 and already over 40% of GDP. Are there any countries where the volume of loans taken by residents exceeds their annual salary? There are many such countries. Danish citizens owe 281% of their annual income to creditors, the Netherlands - 243%, and Norway - 238%. The list goes on for a long time.
      1. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 11 June 2020 10: 51
        +2
        Quote: carstorm 11
        for sure. probably this is why all countries of the world have a population loaned by the most tonsils) Almost all developed countries have a population debt of over 50% of GDP (with the exception of Italy), while in developing countries excess of debt over 25% of GDP is rare. China, by the way, is increasing its debt very rapidly even in terms of population. Twice since 2007 and already over 40% of GDP. Are there any countries where the volume of loans taken by residents exceeds their annual salary? There are many such countries. Danish citizens owe 281% of their annual income to creditors, the Netherlands - 243%, and Norway - 238%. The list goes on for a long time.

        There is no information about the creditworthiness of citizens of the Soviet Union? What you wrote, I already know, and I do not consider this the norm. This is the farm on which bankers feed without producing anything while not straining a single muscle. This is modern slavery
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 11 June 2020 11: 35
          -1
          and Soviet citizens for what they had to take loans in large quantities?) for cars or maybe for apartments?) or maybe for modern gadgets of that time?) they take loans to buy something.
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 11 June 2020 11: 39
            +3
            Quote: carstorm 11
            and Soviet citizens for what they had to take loans in large quantities?) for cars or maybe for apartments?) or maybe for modern gadgets of that time?) they take loans to buy something.

            Well, then they have to live somewhere? The mortgage there ... ahh, no, there they handed out free apartments from production and the collective farm. Well then ... to bring the children to school or to study at the university ... ah, no, there they gave out textbooks for free and the uniform and training was free. Not sure about the treatment of some kind of disease ... aaa miss again.
            Indeed, in the USSR there was no need to take loans
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 11 June 2020 12: 02
              -5
              yeah that's just not for everyone. I don’t admit, I wouldn’t have to wait for years of a free apartment and live with my children in a company like my parents. and let's say textbooks and my parents bought uniforms in the BSSR and drove them to the Far East. By the way, textbooks became free already in 1978. When a government decree on the transition to free use of textbooks came into force. Literature was received in school libraries and passed through it by “inheritance” - the shelf life was determined at four years. In case of loss or serious damage to books, schoolchildren were waiting for sanction - they were threatened with non-certification. Now they live on credit, then they lived in anticipation for me to personally wait for this worst of all. As far as I know, families who because of this expectation of free fell apart even remember scary.
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 11 June 2020 12: 11
                +2
                Quote: carstorm 11
                yeah that's just not for everyone. I don’t admit, I wouldn’t have to wait for years of a free apartment and live with my children in a company like my parents. and let's say textbooks and my parents bought uniforms in the BSSR and drove them to the Far East. By the way, textbooks became free already in 1978. When a government decree on the transition to free use of textbooks came into force. Literature was received in school libraries and passed through it by “inheritance” - the shelf life was determined at four years. In case of loss or serious damage to books, schoolchildren were waiting for sanction - they were threatened with non-certification. Now they live on credit, then they lived in anticipation for me to personally wait for this worst of all. As far as I know, families who because of this expectation of free fell apart even remember scary.

                Well now it’s certainly better. You can pay 7 years, lose your job. And then the bank will kick you out of the apartment, and under the contract you only paid the interest, you don’t own a meter. Well, or the bank will take away from you the money that was sent to you for the child, in the conditions when you lost your job. And you can be shot down by a drunken prosecutor and there’s nothing for him, for example, as the son of the former governor of Lipetsk did, or you can pour tens of thousands of tons of diesel into the river and anyone but the oligarch’s leader will be to blame. Could you tell me what would happen in such a case during the time of the union, do you think the Russian Federation is a fairer country?
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 11 June 2020 12: 23
                  -5
                  Oh. well enough already. In accordance with applicable law, persons who purchase real estate or vehicles are obligatory insured. Health and life. Here, the loan term, the age of the citizen, the risk of developing dangerous diseases, the environmental situation are taken into account. Loss of source of income. Events such as downsizing, liquidation, or destruction of an enterprise due to a man-made or natural disaster are taken into account. We are talking about the loss of ownership of a thing or object by a court decision. End the rally. I'm not one of those who are interested.
                  1. Vol4ara
                    Vol4ara 11 June 2020 12: 29
                    +2
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    Oh. well enough already. In accordance with applicable law, persons who purchase real estate or vehicles are obligatory insured. Health and life. Here, the loan term, the age of the citizen, the risk of developing dangerous diseases, the environmental situation are taken into account. Loss of source of income. Events such as downsizing, liquidation, or destruction of an enterprise due to a man-made or natural disaster are taken into account. We are talking about the loss of ownership of a thing or object by a court decision. End the rally. I'm not one of those who are interested.

                    Of course it is insured, I have 16k insurance per year, and I am young and absolutely healthy. If I were sick and worked on dangerous work, they would have rolled up such insurance that at the time they wouldn’t take a loan. And if during the insurance you lie and say that you are healthy but not really, then cunning lawyers will prove it later and you won’t get anything at all. And insurance does not give you an apartment, they will just give you money if you get sick, or your family if you die, but in fact, neither the first nor the second will help you, you cannot earn money, but insurance (for which there will still be a more serious battle of Stalingrad) only delay the inevitable - as soon as the money runs out, you either sell the mortgage and go out, or the bailiffs will do it for you.
                  2. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 11 June 2020 13: 05
                    -3
                    anything is possible. that's life. you can get sick or die who is arguing. all that you described is a negative scenario but a positive one, as it were, more real. work yes pay quietly. planning a budget. capabilities. generally live like an ordinary family of ordinary people. but also take care of the negative. insure life. moonlighting. everything is like everyone else. if you twist one negative from the very beginning, then you can generally not leave the house, but what if the brick falls)
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 11 June 2020 11: 16
    -1
    In your "normal countries" during the crisis they go out the window from the 60th floor on Wall Street and do not whine that America owes them something.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 11 June 2020 11: 25
      +1
      Quote: Rubi0
      In your "normal countries" during the crisis they go out the window from the 60th floor on Wall Street and do not whine that America owes them something.

      And? How does this prevent credit vacations for most citizens? What do you care about exchange clerks when the conversation is not about them? Yes, and in 1929 the number of suicides was less than in 1928, which suggests that a lot was thought up about jumping from the windows onto the wall street.
      And yes. these countries are not mine
      1. Rubi0
        Rubi0 11 June 2020 11: 40
        0
        So the conversation is just about the big picture and not about the individual person, if your friend left then let's honestly say that not the last piece of bread was eaten here, but most likely had a good dough pillow, because otherwise I would not imagine a mortgage without a credit history. I was in Alaska for work - travel, in order to get a credit card for $ 1000, you first have to pay the bank $ 1000, the point is that by paying out a loan you have to build a story and show your financial discipline. Ask a friend how they gave the migrant a mortgage right away, I'm really interested.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 11 June 2020 11: 48
          +1
          Quote: Rubi0
          So the conversation is just about the big picture and not about the individual person, if your friend left then let's honestly say that not the last piece of bread was eaten here, but most likely had a good dough pillow, because otherwise I would not imagine a mortgage without a credit history. I was in Alaska for work - travel, in order to get a credit card for $ 1000, you first have to pay the bank $ 1000, the point is that by paying out a loan you have to build a story and show your financial discipline. Ask a friend how they gave the migrant a mortgage right away, I'm really interested.

          He still lives in Russia, waiting for the child to be 3 years old, here strabismus from 3 years old can be operated on by OMS, and there 11k for 1 eye. As the xs loan was given, it is not from the poor, it gives 135k rubles each month for a mortgage, but this is with an overpayment for early repayment. Most likely there are some concessions for migrants, you can’t give a person citizenship by turning him into a homeless person.
          Paid medicine is bad, but still I would like for us to live here like the citizens of Canada live
  • Constructor68
    Constructor68 11 June 2020 12: 14
    -4
    in a healthy state, a working person should not need loans in principle, he should have enough anyway, not to mention "get the child to school."

    What a naive baby talk. In the United States, living on credit is considered the norm. There even a credit history is taken into account when hiring. Last year, the Americans borrowed $ 18 trillion. The Germans have the same picture - last year every 10 Germans were declared insolvent by debt obligations
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 11 June 2020 12: 17
      -1
      Quote: Designer 68
      in a healthy state, a working person should not need loans in principle, he should have enough anyway, not to mention "get the child to school."

      What a naive baby talk. In the United States, living on credit is considered the norm. There even a credit history is taken into account when hiring. Last year, the Americans borrowed $ 18 trillion. The Germans have the same picture - last year every 10 Germans were declared insolvent by debt obligations

      What does America and Germany have to do with it?
      1. Constructor68
        Constructor68 15 June 2020 08: 12
        0
        /// What does America and Germany have to do with it? ///
        That is, the German economy is not healthy? Then name an example of a "healthy state". I gave you an example of 2 leading world economies. In both countries, the credit system is focused on the private consumer. What can you give as an example, the USSR? Maybe then remember his fate
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 15 June 2020 15: 17
          0
          Quote: Designer 68
          /// What does America and Germany have to do with it? ///
          That is, the German economy is not healthy? Then name an example of a "healthy state". I gave you an example of 2 leading world economies. In both countries, the credit system is focused on the private consumer. What can you give as an example, the USSR? Maybe then remember his fate

          What does the economy have to do with it? I am talking about states and their relations with people, and not about the economy and gradations of bankers' greed.
          And yes, I remember the USSR, and its outcome is the betrayal of party elites, but what does this have to do with, and what does it prove?
          1. Constructor68
            Constructor68 16 June 2020 06: 04
            0
            Only in your alternative world-formation has the economy in relation to the state nothing to do with. What a fake babai attitude? You write in black and white:
            in a healthy state, a working person should not need loans in principle,

            What is "healthy" in your understanding? A capitalist state with a strong economic base does not suit you (because it does not fit into your theory out of thin air). A state of communist utopias? Well, this idea crap and failed miserably. Are there any more candidates?
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 11 June 2020 11: 09
    +1
    Quote: Muvka
    Why do you call "Take yours" weaning? I don’t take loans and banks don’t take anything from me. Or do you think it's the norm to borrow and not give back? If so, borrow me some money.

    The function of banks is to accumulate temporarily free working capital and, for a loan interest equal to the average income in the industry, to finance the creation of new industries, new services, and new jobs.
    However, banks by all means try to accumulate not only working capital of industrialists (capital), but also personal money of citizens. In fact, there is a process of liquidation of cash circulation for private consumers. Without the services of banks, it is almost impossible to exist in the state - to pay taxes, to freely sell their labor. The proletariat disappears gradually turning into a class of hereditary slaves.
    In this, Russia as a capitalist state is never unique.
  • Civil
    Civil 11 June 2020 11: 19
    -1
    Quote: Muvka
    Why do you call "Take yours" weaning? I don’t take loans and banks don’t take anything from me. Or do you think it's the norm to borrow and not give back? If so, borrow me some money.

    No, from a good life, parents of children take loans, especially micro loans, for food for clothes ... for the same children ...
  • Hagen
    Hagen 11 June 2020 11: 26
    -2
    Quote: Muvka
    Why do you call "Take yours" weaning? I don’t take loans and banks don’t take anything from me. Or do you think it's the norm to borrow and not give back? If so, borrow me some money.

    I absolutely support. But the laws of economics and worldly logic work poorly on this resource. Alas...
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 11 June 2020 10: 03
    +5
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    stories with presidential aids are not surprising.

    And again, a bolt is put on Putin's decisions.
    Now the bankers.
    This is becoming a tradition ...
    "Maybe something to fix at the conservatory?" (c) For example, a machine gun on the roof, so that canned food is not stolen
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 11 June 2020 10: 10
      +2
      Quote: Spade
      And again, a bolt is put on Putin's decisions.
      Now the bankers.
      It is becoming a tradition.

      From June 1, a legal mechanism should be launched to protect citizens from repossession of social benefits, benefits and compensation in pursuance of amendments to the Law “On Enforcement Proceedings” adopted in February 2019. Earlier, in mid-October last year, the Central Bank issued a document according to which debtors' funds, which are wages or other income, in respect of which the Law "On Enforcement Proceedings" established limits on the amount of withholding, organizations making payments will be obliged to indicate the code "1" in the purpose of payment, funds that are income for which in in accordance with the Law, a claim cannot be levied - code "2", and money, which is income, to which, in accordance with the Law, restrictions on levying a claim are not applied (amounts paid in compensation for harm caused to health, as well as compensation payments to citizens, victims of radiation or man-made disasters f - when collecting debts for alimony in respect of minor children, as well as for obligations to compensate for harm in connection with the death of the breadwinner) - code "3".
      The corresponding instruction was published on the website of the Bank of Russia and it directly obliges banks not to touch the "social money" of debtors. So, all the questions to the banks, why they withdrew money + you need to figure out the type of account to which the money came.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 11 June 2020 10: 22
        -2
        this year? they won’t immediately roll away, but they can set everything up in two months. this is the right decision.
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 11 June 2020 10: 30
          0
          Yes, from this year. Can bring to mind.
      2. minus
        minus 11 June 2020 13: 10
        +2
        Now my wife and I went to Sber online. Just recently, they received two children. Even from the phone you can see the purpose of the payment. The specified social payment. So the banks in the know)
    2. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 11 June 2020 10: 48
      0
      Quote: Spade
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      stories with presidential aids are not surprising.

      And again, a bolt is put on Putin's decisions.
      Now the bankers.
      This is becoming a tradition ...
      "Maybe something to fix at the conservatory?" (c) For example, a machine gun on the roof, so that canned food is not stolen

      Grandfather Lenin wrote what to do in such situations. In short - if you can’t get through the high gates with your fists, you should start banging rifle butts
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 11 June 2020 10: 51
        +2
        Quote: Vol4ara
        then you should start banging rifle butts

        Putin?
        He has a lot of rifles .... You can try ...
        laughing laughing laughing
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 11 June 2020 10: 56
          +3
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: Vol4ara
          then you should start banging rifle butts

          Putin?
          He has a lot of rifles .... You can try ...
          laughing laughing laughing

          Pf, did Nikolai have less?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 11 June 2020 11: 03
            -2
            Quote: Vol4ara
            Pf, did Nikolai have less?

            What are we discussing now?
            Right.
            That the President made a decision, and a bolt was hammered on his decision.

            We are not discussing the "grandfather Lenin's" scam, which reduced the territory of Russia from 22 million square kilometers to 17
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 11 June 2020 11: 13
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              Quote: Vol4ara
              Pf, did Nikolai have less?

              What are we discussing now?
              Right.
              That the President made a decision, and a bolt was hammered on his decision.

              We are not discussing the "grandfather Lenin's" scam, which reduced the territory of Russia from 22 million square kilometers to 17

              Ne ne ne my dear friend. The territory was reduced, and the empire collapsed solely thanks to the effective leadership of Nicholas and his cabinet. But thanks to grandfather Lenin's scam, she grew up. And the fact that Putin’s orders to the banks and the oligarchy is not news, there’s nothing to discuss, not in the first.
              By the way, we can discuss how much the territory was reduced thanks to the scam of grandfathers Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and the victory of capitalism
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 11 June 2020 11: 22
                -2
                Quote: Vol4ara
                and the empire collapsed solely thanks to the effective leadership of Nicholas

                Well, of course. After all, it wasn’t grandfather Lenin who sent Poland and Finland into free swimming, and he didn’t give pieces of Turkish territory.

                Quote: Vol4ara
                grandfathers of Gorbachev and Yeltsin,

                And these are also communists. Companions of the grandfather of Lenin. Similarly, for the sake of power, they are ready to cut Russia into pieces. I also took into account their activities on the profiling of territories.
                1. Vol4ara
                  Vol4ara 11 June 2020 11: 31
                  +3
                  Quote: Spade
                  And these are also communists. Companions of the grandfather of Lenin. Similarly, for the sake of power, they are ready to cut Russia into pieces. I also took into account their activities on the profiling of territories.

                  Ahaha) that is, the Communists are to blame for the collapse of RI, but not the leader, and the leader, the damned communist Gorby, is to blame for the collapse of the USSR, and certainly not anyone else. God, what sophistry ... And who sent Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Georgia, etc., into free swimming, are not the predecessors of the one who is now on the throne?
    3. Old partisan
      Old partisan 11 June 2020 11: 19
      +4
      Yes, to the guarantor's decisions, all the bolts are laid with a metric thread.
      His famous May messages, I will not even mention which year.
      They put everything on them. And the guarantor shook himself off and continued to lead.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 11 June 2020 10: 11
    +1
    here is generally different. only bailiffs can withdraw debts. to bring to this it is necessary not a little time. these debts for at least a year and a half are not payments. banks themselves do not take anything away but only comply with the legal requirements of the BSC.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 11 June 2020 10: 34
      +1
      Quote: carstorm 11
      only bailiffs can withdraw debts

      Not only bailiffs.
      Cunning creditors realized that the amount of deductions from pensions in the case of presentation of executive documents to the FSSP units may be low, and began to submit executive documents directly to the pension fund.
      Indeed, the bailiff, in order to establish the maximum possible percentage of deductions from retirement, is bound hand and foot with the duty of proving that the debtor has other sources of income.
      The Pension Fund, on the contrary, is not burdened with such an obligation, because it is not authorized by law to establish the property status of debtors - this is the prerogative of enforcement agencies.
      It turns out that the same executive document actually has different legal force, depending on how the collector exercised his right to present it for execution.
      That is, submit it to the FSSP unit for enforcement, and it will wait for the debt to be returned for many years, receiving a miserable “mowing” every month in the form of deductions from pension, because the debtor has no other income.
      And, on the contrary, if the writ of execution is presented directly to the pension fund, then the risk of the absence of income other than pension rests with the debtor.
      Since the pension fund is not empowered to verify the property status of the debtor, the only way out for the latter will be to apply to the court for an installment plan. But this is unlikely to help, because in order to achieve it, in accordance with the law, it is necessary to have circumstances that impede performance, to which a small pension, alas, does not apply, no matter how much one wants to.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 11 June 2020 10: 42
        +2
        Since the pension fund is not empowered to verify the property status of the debtor, the only way out for the latter will be to apply to the court for installments.

        It’s hard to read ... in fact, debt bondage ... especially if a person pays off for just running interest.
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 11 June 2020 11: 01
          +3
          There is also a problem with doubles-namesakes who have the same date of birth. Full name and date of birth, only these identifiers are used by bailiffs and banks. "Alexander Popov has a namesake in Novosibirsk, who owes the bank a large sum, and bailiffs are stubbornly trying to solve this problem literally at his expense. And his wife Tatyana Popova regularly receives notifications of fines for speeding - although a lover of fast driving, too Tatyana Popova, lives in Syktyvkar and drives a completely different car.
          We have already written about how Alexander Popov tried to sell his own car and discovered that he was arrested for the debts of a stranger with the same name, surname and date of birth ("Hostage of the namesake", "RG-Week Siberia", N 85 (7251 ) dated April 20, 2017). In those amazing days, bailiffs three times in a row (!) Issued orders to seize Popov's property - as soon as Alexander had time to get the erroneous decision canceled and drive from the UFSSP to the traffic police, the executors arrested his car again. Alexander also had to prove that he personally did not owe anything to this particular bank. It would seem that after the mistake had to be corrected three times, the skill should have been fixed. Not at all. In January 2018, bailiffs seized Alexander's salary - all because of the same someone else's debt. A paper on the collection of 50 percent of his salary came to his work. We figured it out, the money was returned. And in October everything happened again. The main thing, judging by the executive documents, is that the amount of debt of "that very" Alexander Popov is decreasing. That is, he also pays! But why does his namesake come under punitive measures over and over again? ”“ No matter how hard we try, it is impossible to remain calm in these situations, ”said Alexandra's wife Tatyana. - We stopped traveling abroad because we are afraid that we will not be released because of other people's debts. All the while waiting for new troubles. At least change your surname ... "
  • RUSS
    RUSS 11 June 2020 10: 15
    +1
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    stories with presidential aids are not surprising.

    Yes, I personally know how they kept money from child allowances, deducted from the accounts for fines traffic police, etc.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 11 June 2020 10: 18
    +1
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    stories with presidential aids are not surprising.

    They are taken from those who already have nothing. The face of capitalism.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 11 June 2020 10: 25
      -3
      Quote: Svarog
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      stories with presidential aids are not surprising.

      They are taken from those who already have nothing. The face of capitalism.

      Your logic goes off scale ... The state gives money to the population, in particular cases lining is obtained ... it happens ... But only on the first day of issue 10 million citizens were granted child support .. - is this the same face of capitalism ??? Have you received 20 thousand yourself (you have two children)? If yes, then as a communist, transfer this money to those in need (as I understand you are not a poor person, I would even say rich), those whom capitalism has deprived .. - and then people will trust you as a communist ...
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 11 June 2020 10: 36
        +1
        Quote: Nasr
        Your logic goes through the roof ... The state gives money to the population, in particular cases lining is obtained ... it happens.

        Not too many overlays? We give it with one hand, we take it with the other .. Normally, I have everything with logic.
        But only on the first day of issue 10 million citizens were granted child support .. - is this the same face of capitalism ???

        The fact that the state decided to compensate for its own mistakes is good, but the compensation is scanty, but even so .. but as we can see, there are "gentlemen" who are trying to take it away right away and so in everything .. they give it with one hand, and with the other taken away through fines, taxes, utilities, weakening of the ruble, gasoline prices .. What's wrong?
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 11 June 2020 10: 41
          -3
          Demagoguery and chatter - that's all you can ... And you did not answer - did you list your received 20000 thousand to those who really need ... or the capitalist vein made you hide this "scanty" compensation under the mattress? With this minuscule they could help those who were deceived by the bloody regime ... Show by your example how you should act!
        2. Nasrat
          Nasrat 11 June 2020 10: 53
          -4
          Failed .... did not give it away, it says its "minuscule" - 20 rubles. needy ... but he managed to fart and throw on the fan notably !!! negative
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 11 June 2020 10: 38
        +2
        I hope that this particular case smile but I really don’t want to be on the list of these special cases ... here is the first problem of digitalizing citizens' deposits ... they don’t manage their money in any way ... it’s easy to block, easy to write off, easy to transfer anywhere as a result of third parties.
        Citizens are not free to be hit by these structures ... citizens are simply defenseless against this.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 11 June 2020 10: 48
          -1
          Quote: The same Lech
          . Citizens are simply defenseless.

          Lyokha, finally realize - citizens are always defenseless against the state !! And now is not the most defenseless time for citizens ... an example of this article confirms this, someone farted in nete and the wrestlers are ready to rush to internet barricades to fight the bloody regime ... and the state is already apologizing, in the form of checks ...
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 11 June 2020 10: 53
            +2
            someone farted in nete and the wrestlers are ready to rush to the Internet barricades to fight the bloody regime

            Yeah, Platoshkin has already guessed ... any attempt to fight the government outside its control will end badly for the initiators ... so I don’t know where we will come in the long term.
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 11 June 2020 11: 16
              -5
              Quote: The same Lech
              someone farted in nete and the wrestlers are ready to rush to the Internet barricades to fight the bloody regime

              Yeah Platoshkin already pooled ....

              I don’t know who it is ... I mean that the next Zyuganov / Grudinin ?? ... if this Plato, the same injury as the two, which most likely is - then I don’t need to know about him ... more, you don’t need to know that he was trying to find out something laughing
            2. Nasrat
              Nasrat 11 June 2020 11: 24
              -4
              Quote: The same Lech
              any attempt to fight the power outside its control will end badly for the initiators ....


              Lech, were you just born, or what? Well, from time immemorial so .. this thread has never been broken ... so it will be in the future ..

              Quote: The same Lech
              ... so I don’t know where we are going in the long run.

              It is only the Lord God knows ... do not try to be equal with him ...
  • neri73-r
    neri73-r 11 June 2020 09: 54
    +2
    Immediately to the prosecutor, there are sticks needed, they will respond.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 11 June 2020 10: 00
      0
      Unless the prosecutor has a loan.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 11 June 2020 10: 15
        0
        If the jamb of the bank, you need to write to the regional branch of the Bank of Russia. The prosecutor for a complaint has limited banking secrecy.
      2. neri73-r
        neri73-r 11 June 2020 10: 16
        +5
        Quote: Pereira
        Unless the prosecutor has a loan.

        What is the connection? Between prosecutorial credit and the stupidity of some petty officials?
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 11 June 2020 10: 14
      0
      based on what? without a court decision and a writ of execution no one will take anything from you. and since they write off money, it means there are debts and quite old.
  • Nasrat
    Nasrat 11 June 2020 10: 00
    +2
    the news is sucked from a finger ... to raise the tone of the wrestlers ... someone ... somewhere .... something .. wrote or saw or heard and not somewhere, but in the net ... !!!! ! wassat

    And .. oh horror !!! Banks started checking !!! Bloody regime that creates !!!
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 11 June 2020 10: 10
      0
      Here you are not out of the finger. if the validity of the document expires from February 1 to July 1, then by order of the guarantor, the document must be accepted as valid. My daughter went to reissue a bank card in Sberbank. The passport ended on May 29. She was sent far away, far away ... to the president.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 11 June 2020 10: 18
        -2
        Quote: NDR-791
        Here you are not out of the finger. if the validity of the document expires from February 1 to July 1, then by order of the guarantor, the document must be accepted as valid. My daughter went to reissue a bank card in Sberbank. The passport ended on May 29. She was sent far away, far away ... to the president.

        And they did it right ... everything is processed through state services, it remains 5 minutes to get a passport ... and immediately to the bank ... after all, did she get to the bank? what prevented her from stopping by to look into the window and take a passport? Do you compare your every step with what the president said? or without its directives are not able to think reasonably?
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 11 June 2020 10: 42
        +2
        in advance on public services to issue a new passport issue that prevented her then?) all that later will need to just pick it up)
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 12 June 2020 10: 44
          +1
          Let her bumps stuff herself ... and believe in a smaller state wassat At the end of March, I renewed the weapons permit without any problems. In the midst of hysteria, so to speak.
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 11 June 2020 10: 11
      +2
      And .. oh horror !!! Banks started checking !!! Bloody regime that creates !!!


      Large financiers are friends of Radiant smile so nothing threatens them.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 11 June 2020 10: 34
        0
        Quote: The same Lech


        Large financiers are friends of Radiant smile so nothing threatens them.


        And what should they face? if money falls on the card, then in other cases this money is automatically withdrawn to pay off the debt ...
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 11 June 2020 10: 46
          +1
          money falls on the card, in other cases this money is automatically withdrawn to pay off the debt ...

          How they fell and disappeared ... you should easily part with money smile .
          Easy came ... easy left ... another thing is if a person is hunched over for his beggarly salary, losing health and getting a donut hole in return.
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 11 June 2020 10: 58
            -1
            Quote: The same Lech

            Easy came ... easy left ... another thing is if a person is hunched over for his beggarly salary, losing health and getting a donut hole in return.

            The money reached these people, even on the first day of payment, 10 million people in our country received legally due money - what's the problem? Why drive a wave? what is the donut hole?
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 11 June 2020 11: 01
              +2
              The money reached these people, even on the first day of payment, 10 million people in our country received legally due money - what's the problem? Why drive a wave? what is the donut hole?

              I am happy for them ... smile
              About the donut hole ... it's about debtors ...
              Now that the crisis in our economy is in a difficult situation ... those who have lost their jobs and have no other sources of income ... what should they do then?
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 11 June 2020 12: 14
                -2
                I repeat, through the writ of execution in 99 percent of cases the old debts are taken. they are at least a year old. the virus has nothing to do with it. they have not paid debts for a long time. even for a bank you need not to pay for several months so that they really run in. as well as housing and communal services debts. my ex, taking my card transfers from me by personal agreement, filed a lawsuit against child support without telling me. She filed in June 15, I found out that I owed her when the cards were blocked in November 16. and I abruptly owed 400-odd thousand in one fell swoop. at the same time, transferring money to her card every month. how did I know that it was necessary to mark the translation with the signature of alimony. it turned out that I just gave them) in court, the statements from the transfer account were not recognized as alimony. a year and a half from the court to the executive passed.
                1. Same lech
                  Same lech 11 June 2020 14: 20
                  +1
                  Hmm what they threw it in one word and deliberately did not say anything to you ... what’s called life hit with a key on the head.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 11 June 2020 14: 38
                    -2
                    believe me, there are so many peasants who fall. the lawyer who led my case said that this was already routine. whereby I understand that I myself am to blame. nothing prevented me from deciding everything officially and not in words. just always like something humanly you want and forget that people tend to change. debt is garbage. paying is not so difficult. worse is the other that I continued to transfer and will transfer money. this is for the daughter. but for me, the court will go through the rink more than once, for a man is the last thing that decides something. Dad in my opinion is the most unprotected person. he always should he always lose. judges women. prosecutor women. custody of a woman. probably 95 percent. I’ll say even more — the ex-wife changed her daughter’s surname to her new husband, while no one asked or was going to give my opinion. ) like that) custody just did not care even to notify me on this subject.
                2. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor 11 June 2020 14: 57
                  0
                  it’s a pity the statute of limitations has already left - the issue to be resolved, passed .. it was necessary how to mistakenly list them back was ..
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 11 June 2020 16: 15
                    -1
                    not. I translated them for my daughter. then I still look into her eyes. these disassemblies would definitely not have been better for her. it just became smarter now.
                    1. 2 Level Advisor
                      2 Level Advisor 11 June 2020 16: 31
                      0
                      worthy judgment hi
  • Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 11 June 2020 10: 02
    +4
    As long as we in Russia have the civil code that we have (which does not directly speak about the punishment of the defendant in a civil case, but the restoration of the violated right) and until the court begins to fully take into account the defendant’s financial situation and the value of intangible losses (moral , physical harm, time spent on litigation) from time to time we will repeat the situation where the bank is always right. The powers of the banking sector in Russia are too broad and there is no responsibility other than to the Central Bank, but ordinary people are closed there and the citizen’s appeal is easily written off.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 11 June 2020 10: 11
      +1
      Quote: Alex2048
      While we in the Russian Federation have the civil code that we have ....

      but there, for ordinary people, the entrance is closed and the citizen’s appeal is easily written off.


      Civil Code .... hehe ... in 1991, USSR Prime Minister Valentin Pavlov took the money from the people and sent the civil code on a long journey .. wassat
      1. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 11 June 2020 10: 21
        +4
        in 1991, Prime Minister of the USSR Valentin Pavlov

        The problem is that 1991 has long sunk into the summer ... Yes, and Pavlov is no longer the prime minister ... And the USSR has also ended long ago.
        Until the priority in the state changes from the incomprehensible and unintelligible personality of its right and freedom to a clear market one, the right to property is sacred, until we stop building capitalism along the way, disfiguring his face with a social network, we won’t succeed. In this case, the state has the main roles - the legislator establishes the rules and the arbiter monitors their compliance.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 11 June 2020 10: 59
          0
          Quote: Alex2048
          in 1991, Prime Minister of the USSR Valentin Pavlov

          The problem is that 1991 has long sunk into the summer ... Yes, and Pavlov is no longer the prime minister ... And the USSR has also ended long ago.
          Until the priority in the state changes from the incomprehensible and unintelligible personality of its right and freedom to a clear market one, the right to property is sacred, until we stop building capitalism along the way, disfiguring his face with a social network, we won’t succeed. In this case, the state has the main roles - the legislator establishes the rules and the arbiter monitors their compliance.

          well said..
    2. ghby
      ghby 11 June 2020 10: 17
      +4
      Code as a code, the question here is different that bankers do not see the shore, but it turned out because the authorities are lenient to them. When judges are given unspoken attitudes to certain banks to approach with leniency, this is not justice. Somehow they recovered the loan debt in favor of one large bank to which the debt went to another bank, so the claimants didn’t even provide a dividing balance, they said on the site that we are the assignee, and the judges in the regional court wrote on the site, but to my remark that the Civil Code of the Russian Federation clearly spelled out the documents the grounds for the emergence of rights were scored, and money was collected from the client. The judges said Well, like the license was taken from that bank, it no longer works, but you need to give money why not to this bank.
      1. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 11 June 2020 10: 33
        +2
        Code as Code

        Any paper like paper has not yet been in the toilet.
        And our civil code is replete with pearls and blunders, and society has no need to correct them.
        judges in the regional court, well, it’s written on the site, but to my remark that in the Civil Code of the Russian Federation

        This is the problem of enforcement.
        That's when a person who goes to court with a lawsuit will be sure that if his position is confirmed by the court, he will really get rich, he will not just be told that now the navel or the organization "horns and hooves" owes money, then society will need a court and a normal code , and at the same time in the deputies who do not just poke at the button with their paws, but as if at first think, because this is how to screw up that the code that did not enter into force at that time has already begun to amend ... And this is not only the civil code concerns.
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  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 11 June 2020 10: 17
    -3
    who gave, he took ...
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 11 June 2020 10: 18
    +4
    2020 reminded us:
    - wash your hands - you have to
    - you are sick - sit at home
    - doctors - necessary
    - racism - bad
    - beat people - unacceptable
    - You can’t drive drunk while driving.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 June 2020 10: 19
    0
    The check is reported, in particular, by the TASS information service with reference to the banking press service.

    The declared, even from the very top, is not absolutely obligatory for us ... but this is all a small-town initiative !!! Until some people are torn off their tails up to their ears, so be it! Greed, it has ruined many people. hope the most greedy will be convinced. that this vice will be "appreciated" at its true worth not only later, by the gates known to all, but also here, on earth, by the organs known to all!
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 11 June 2020 10: 25
    +1
    Judging by the number of events, future historians will not only have to study the year 2020, but also choose which month to specialize in.
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 11 June 2020 10: 32
    +3
    There is no sensation here. Common practice. Most have long been accustomed to and are not indignant that they clean everything out cleanly - child compensation, alimony, pensions and other things, which, it seems, should not be withdrawn. And not only for credit debts, but also for tax debts, fines, utility bills. The current wave is due to the fact that those who have not encountered this before are previously well-off people who were left without a livelihood due to cove.
  • Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 11 June 2020 10: 56
    +4
    This is Che, I received a receipt from Gazprom for 2k rubles. The funny thing is that there is no gas in the house, everything is electric (2016 house).
    And it is at this address, where there is no gas, I need 2k ruhr. What time!
    However, I am a smoker, probably this is for gas lighters ...
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 11 June 2020 14: 21
      -2
      Don’t lie, Gazprom does not bill private individuals.
      1. Andobor
        Andobor 11 June 2020 16: 35
        -1
        Quote: Ros 56
        Don’t lie, Gazprom does not invoice individuals

        The person is not a local, he is fighting "Russian propaganda" for a Western penny in VO.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 12 June 2020 06: 34
          0
          I see, lately there have been so many hookers here. They put the minus both in and out of business silently, without announcing claims. And to hell with them, we are not used to it.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 11 June 2020 11: 14
    +1
    So it was conceived. We have almost all the help of the state to someone - assistance to banks. First car / family car / mortgage in new buildings, subsidized interest on salary loans ...
    Otherwise, they could give help with coupons for food / medicine / baby clothes - their bank can’t pick it up, and parents also spend it for other purposes. But purely money - in a sense, is the freedom of creativity - and if, for example, dad and mom drink these 10 thousand, will they help their children much more? Compared with them, the Bank will not even fight and swear ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 June 2020 14: 19
    -1
    This is the work of bailiffs, bankers have nothing to do with it. They have a court decision and they are required to enforce it. You just need to write a statement to cancel the court order, but wisely. He himself had already encountered this and had to return his money.
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  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 11 June 2020 14: 54
    +1
    Quote: Hagen
    Quote: carstorm 11
    but they cannot know where the money comes from on these accounts

    I repeat, bailiffs collect information about the availability of funds. This information contains data on those funds that are not subject to write-off.

    The answer is ... They do not collect anything when the arrest is already in the account-on the machine and without the permission of the bailiff, the amount is withdrawn, when the bailiff arrives, they do not even know that the program withdrew it.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 12 June 2020 06: 39
      0
      Go to the bailiff and explain if such and such a law has been violated and he will correct everything. For example, I have now been issued a decree, do not make any deductions from my card.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 11 June 2020 17: 23
    -3
    Have you tried not to collect debts? Should I pity them or should they not pay?
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 12 June 2020 06: 40
      +1
      It happens differently in life; you don’t have to consider yourself smarter than others. It is not known what awaits you in the future.
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 12 June 2020 08: 58
      +1
      Well, they just took me out for gas "by mistake" as it turned out 16k more than it was .. I deal with the bailiffs .. how can I order such a "debt" not to collect?
  • Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 11 June 2020 18: 00
    +1
    The inspection will be carried out and joyfully reported that everything is within the law. and in general, do not dare to say, because banks are more important than some children there ...
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 11 June 2020 20: 22
    0
    This is called, how is it? Voluntary in the field!
    The president did not give such instructions.
    At least I don’t remember.
    By the way about the "birds". I can't understand what's going on in general.
    The president gives clear and distinct directions. Some irresponsible comrades in the field are repairing some kind of dregs to organize. Misleading population and leadership to the heap.
    There is a thought, but how many of these same comrades are taking upon themselves? .. Do they correspond to their posts?
    Is it possible that they need to rest in the regions of Murmansk and Magadan, as well as Sakhalin regions in positions no higher than the master of production? And preferably in the winter. hi