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Expert: in Russia 15-20 percent less population than in official reports

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Expert: in Russia 15-20 percent less population than in official reports

The demographic problem remains very acute for our country. After a short period, when the natural increase in the number of inhabitants was recorded in the Russian Federation (even without taking into account the reunification with the Crimea), the years came when the natural decline reappears.


The authorities are trying to resolve the issue through material incentives. So, the amount of maternal capital for the second child has been increased, payments for the first-born in the family have been introduced, the size of the child allowance for children under 3 years old has been increased, preferential mortgage loans for young families with children have been introduced. Is this enough to solve the pressing demographic problem? The question is complex, because the country's population at the moment is not only fertility. The issues of life expectancy and mortality also play a big role here.

Not so long ago, the UN specialized department presented data on the basis of which it is possible to judge the demographic prospects of Russia. The summary says that by 2050 the population of our country can be reduced to 135,8 million people, while now the UN estimates the population of the Russian Federation at 145,9 million. These figures could be considered decisive, if not one but. The UN believes that the current population of Ukraine is 44 million people, which is frankly far from reality.

The demographic situation in Russia is discussed by many experts. Among them is a former spokeswoman for the FMS of Russia, Konstantin Poltoranin. According to him, "the real population of Russia is now 15-20% less than official statistics indicate." Statements of Poltoranin and discussion of the topic of demography on the Day channel:

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  1. Lexus
    Lexus 11 June 2020 13: 52 New
    +4
    Expert: in Russia 15-20 percent less population than in official reports

    At the same time, these 15-20%, and most likely more, regularly vote, exclusively "correctly."
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 11 June 2020 13: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: lexus
      Expert: in Russia 15-20 percent less population than in official reports

      Moreover, these 15-20% regularly vote exclusively "right."

      ===
      eco bakes you
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 11 June 2020 14: 23 New
        +2
        eco bakes you

        I see the "process" has begun, however, the symptoms of the denial stage have not disappeared. Side effect of the "duroscope" is obvious. Losing touch with reality is a bad signal.
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 11 June 2020 14: 32 New
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          Quote: lexus
          eco bakes you

          I see the "process" has begun, though the symptoms of the stage of denial have not disappeared. Side effects of taking the "Duroscope" is evident.

          ==
          ? I do not deny anything. I may be mistaken, but your further appearance: “I see,” “the process has begun,” “reception of the duroscope,” “is obvious.”
          1. Kart
            Kart 11 June 2020 14: 35 New
            +7
            They are now on command, we are building everything they write only about voting.
            It will pass, they will also write in chorus about 146%, and then they will switch to another topic, again together.
            To argue with them is the same as arguing with the radio. It will not answer questions, it can only be turned off.
        2. DVR
          DVR 11 June 2020 21: 25 New
          -3
          How insightful, how objectively you assessed your condition. Still, sometimes you see reality as it is)
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 11 June 2020 13: 58 New
      13
      Quote: lexus
      Expert: in Russia 15-20 percent less population than in official reports

      At the same time, these 15-20%, and most likely more, regularly vote, exclusively "correctly."

      Yes, as in a joke .. Grandfather came to vote and found out that the grandmother had already voted .. but did not understand how this is possible if she died 10 years ago ..
      In general, the fact that we are constantly lying is a fact. In the case of the population, I think they also lie.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 11 June 2020 14: 19 New
        +5
        In general, the fact that we are constantly lying is a fact. In the case of the population, I think they also lie.

        A colleague, in a healthy person, including Mentally, a person has sense organs and his own brain. And there are obvious facts. Yes, in large cities the population grew slightly, but in settlements up to and including the district center, it almost halved. If you look beyond the Urals to the Far East - there is generally darkness.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 11 June 2020 14: 29 New
          +1
          Urbanization will not stop anything. In 1950, only 30% of the world's inhabitants lived in cities, or 0,75 billion. In 2009, the 50% limit was crossed, i.e. most earthlings became townspeople. In 2050, 68%, or 6,6 billion, will live in cities. With a general increase in the world's population by almost 4 times in 100 years, the urban population will grow by 9 times.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 11 June 2020 14: 48 New
            +6
            If the population decline in the regions was solely the result of urbanization, then two “metropolitan ticks” on the body of a large country would have burst. And since this did not happen close, it becomes obvious that a substantial part left their homeland, at best, having moved abroad, and at worst, much more likely, to the other world.
            By the way, urbanization in the developed countries of the western way almost reached its maximum.
            1. unaha
              unaha 11 June 2020 15: 19 New
              +8
              "a substantial part left their homeland, at best, having moved abroad" - perhaps this factor also affects - after all, not all really moving ones renounced citizenship of the Russian Federation. There are friends who have lived in the USA for several years. Sami and the eldest child are citizens of the Russian Federation, and the youngest is already the United States. Thus, they are formally citizens, but in fact they are not.
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 11 June 2020 15: 24 New
              0
              don't burst. in China, for example, the population simply moves to large cities in a crowd. Eighty percent of all internal migrants are Nunminggun, that is, peasant migrants who want to find work in the city. Then Nongmingong migrants rush from the central and western regions to the coastal regions and free economic zones, as well as to larger cities. The largest outflow of the population is observed in such provinces as Sichuan, Jiangxi, Anhui and others. The flow of migrants goes to Beijing, Shanghai, Harbin, Nanjing, etc., that is, to larger and more developed cities. The largest number of nongmingong migrants are observed in Guangdong, as well as in Shanghai and Beijing. According to the census, 80% of the population of China does not live in the place of residence, which, combined with the demographic situation in the country and the difficult situation of migrant peasants, aggravates the situation with migrants, employment, etc. In 10, China lifted restrictions on registration and movement on it, and peasants from the village got the opportunity to move to the city, which significantly accelerated the pace of urbanization. According to current research, maintaining the current pace of urbanization, China will become a country with a predominantly urban population by 2000, where the urban population will be 2050%. Chongqing 70 people and not bursting. and this is official, but in fact there are more of them.
              1. unaha
                unaha 11 June 2020 16: 02 New
                +2
                Do not burst of course. However, excessive urbanization is not entirely good ... but rather, and very bad. But the possibility of a more even distribution of the population over the territory is the privilege of rich countries. For the poor, urbanization will only increase.
            3. ccsr
              ccsr 11 June 2020 19: 25 New
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              Quote: lexus
              urbanization, then two "metropolitan ticks" on the body of a large country would have burst.

              But figs for you - go beyond the Moscow Ring Road and there for several tens of kilometers there are sometimes residential complexes from high-rise buildings where tens of thousands of people can live at the same time, i.e. population of the district center. Everything is built up along the Nosovikhinsky highway to the city of Zheleznodorozhny and further, houses are being built beyond the Oktyabrsky along the Ryazan, and everything is built up along the Don highway for thirty kilometers. And this is not counting New Moscow. So, nothing will burst here, and according to my rough estimates, along with the visitors, the Moscow region and the Moscow region have long exceeded 25 million people, i.e. every sixth citizen of Russia already lives in this conglomerate. Or is it not so? So why should it burst if in China, for example, such a population has many cities. Are we made with a finger and don’t know how to control the masses of people?
              1. Yarhann
                Yarhann 13 June 2020 15: 18 New
                +1
                All right, say that in our country urbanization will only grow and this is a normal modern tendency in all countries. Take for example the same South Caucasus there, half of the population lives in Seoul and its agglomeration - more than 25 cartoons.In China, River Deltas form megalopolises from megalopolises and their agglomerations - and each such megalopolis is almost a hundred million people.
                Our Central Federal District is essentially a megalopolis with a center in Moscow with a population of 40 million and a steady growth both in population and in GDP. The GDP of the Central Federal District is the same, if I am not mistaken, 25-30% of the entire RF.
          2. Victorio
            Victorio 11 June 2020 14: 52 New
            +3
            [quote = carstorm 11] Urbanization will not stop anything. In 1950, only 30% of the world's inhabitants lived in cities, or 0,75 billion. In 2009, the 50% limit was crossed, i.e. most earthlings became townspeople. In 2050, 68%, or 6,6 billion, will live in cities. With a general increase in the world's population by almost 4 times in 100 years, the urban population will grow by 9 times. [/ Quote]
            ===
            desire, means and necessity - and the process will go in the opposite direction. I think that it’s better to live in your own, albeit small, house and a piece of land with him.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 11 June 2020 15: 16 New
              -2
              I don’t notice that such a desire among modern youth. I'm afraid there is already psychology. Yes, and I myself am not like that. I am a city dweller. I do not like to delve into the earth and I will not. the apartment is good for me much nicer. The quiet rhythm of life has long been no longer for me. and my children are the same.
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 11 June 2020 15: 19 New
              +6
              Quote: Victorio
              I think that it’s better to live in your own, albeit small, house and a piece of land with him.

              Definitely better. But infrastructure and rural work are needed, and only the state can organize this. But the state is not interested in dealing with this problem. Elementary, roads, gas, hospitals, only the state can organize. But it’s not interesting to sell gas to their rogues, much less to lay roads ... The same thing about work, agricultural holdings made an auxiliary farm unnecessary. I think that if they at least exempted the villagers from taxes, built infrastructure (hospitals, roads, gas) and gave them "lifting", then very many would have moved to the village. People would just live on their farm.
              In general, this is an important issue, on which demography also depends. And it needs to be solved, like many others that have not been solved for decades.
              1. Yarhann
                Yarhann 13 June 2020 15: 39 New
                0
                you are still mentally living in the USSR, the state should not organize new settlements in various assholes. Take for example the United States, new neighborhoods in the suburbs is the initiative of developers. They buy land (or I don’t know about renting a bertha) and build entire microdistricts with all communications on it - after which they sell land for development or build their own housing and also sell it. And the state certainly does not participate in this in any way, all expenses are borne by private investors.
          3. tatra
            tatra 11 June 2020 14: 55 New
            +8
            This was urbanization in the USSR, when the urban population increased from 15% to 70%: and in the "independence" in the territory of the former USSR, monstrous demography is a consequence of a sharp 20-40% increase in mortality and a declining birth rate. And those who put forward for the "crime" of the Soviet Communists that the population of Russia under the new name of the USSR did not increase by 20 times by the end of the 3,5th century, as Mendeleev calculated, proved that they did not care about the monstrous democracy of their post-Soviet period .
        2. DVR
          DVR 11 June 2020 21: 29 New
          +1
          A colleague, in a healthy person, including Mentally, a person has sense organs and his own brain.

          The monkey has its own brain, even snails.
      2. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 11 June 2020 15: 38 New
        +3
        Svarog! What nafig joke? It really is! How much I go to the polls, deceased grandmother on the polls! So the grandmother died long ago! Truth? We will make a change! Changes have not yet noticed! I think the population is too high. The nearby territories will be included in the city, while those who have been working for many years in Moscow are locals.
    3. credo
      credo 11 June 2020 14: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: lexus
      Expert: in Russia 15-20 percent less population than in official reports

      At the same time, these 15-20%, and most likely more, regularly vote, exclusively "correctly."

      Firstly, statistics have always been and still are state secrets; therefore, the statements of the former FMS press secretary are true.
      Secondly, I vaguely imagine what guest workers in abandoned villages do, because they are practically not visible outside of large cities such as Moscow, St. Petersburg or N. Novgorod. they are not going to Russia to raise agricultural produce, but to earn money, so they no longer want to work as janitors for a penny, but are looking for a cleaner and more profitable job.
      And thirdly, everything that the former spokesman said has already been discussed several times, including at a high level, but it’s still there - there is no government support and his desire to develop non-raw materials industries means there is no development of such industries , city-forming enterprises are collapsing and there are no prospects in small cities for young people, cities with millionaires are growing in breadth and upward, creating more and more problems and becoming the biggest problem. For this reason, it is difficult for compatriots from the countries of near and far abroad to understand where Russia is going in development and whether there is such a development, so that after moving to a historical homeland you won’t regret that you have left their homes and are not waiting for them here.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 11 June 2020 14: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: credo
        millionaire cities grow

        Years later, the population will remain only in cities with a population of over one million. Often I travel a lot to work and villages, boarded up houses and for sale every year more and more ..
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 11 June 2020 14: 32 New
          +3
          Why are there so many people in the village? Agricultural technology allows you to manage a much smaller number of farmers. People for 60 years have been fleeing from rural to urban. Although I almost moved from the city for permanent residence to the land of my ancestors.
          1. credo
            credo 11 June 2020 15: 08 New
            +8
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Why are there so many people in the village? Agricultural technology allows you to manage a much smaller number of farmers. People for 60 years have been fleeing from rural to urban. Although I almost moved from the city for permanent residence to the land of my ancestors.

            We are talking not only about villages and villages, but also small towns, if they become empty it will not be easier and more satisfying to live in the country, but there will be more problems. The latest vivid example is the epidemic and the situation in cities with millionaires, which have become most affected by the virus. There is no clear policy at the state level regarding the development of villages, villages and small towns, so the percentage of those leaving them is growing rapidly, and returning is falling every year and the introduction of new technologies in the village does not save this process.
          2. unaha
            unaha 11 June 2020 15: 27 New
            +4
            “Agricultural technologies make it possible to manage a much smaller number of farmers” - farmers really no longer need as much as before. But not only "village" people can live outside the city. Already now in many villages (suitable of course), most of the houses are in the format of summer cottages of citizens.
            And if our state stops regularly emptying the pockets of citizens, so the rentier will appear over time and will also spend most of the time in the countryside.
            1. credo
              credo 11 June 2020 15: 54 New
              0
              Quote: unaha
              “Agricultural technologies make it possible to manage a much smaller number of farmers” - farmers really no longer need as much as before. But not only "village" people can live outside the city. Already now in many villages (suitable of course), most of the houses are in the format of summer cottages of citizens.
              And if our state stops regularly emptying the pockets of citizens, so the rentier will appear over time and will also spend most of the time in the countryside.

              What to do in the country to people if their work is in large cities. Of course, if you imagine that the domestic "countryside" is like Rublyovka with all the amenities and the need to travel to the city to work only when the need arises, then perhaps most of their lives will be devoted to communicating with nature. But this is from the realm of ideal, and in today's reality it is only a dream.
              1. Kart
                Kart 11 June 2020 16: 27 New
                +3
                Now the situation is different.
                He left for the city as a young man, he lived there for many years, has already earned money, made a career there, has real estate, now they come "to the village" sometimes for permanent residence.
                And what? Business is running, or renting an apartment in Moscow. You can live in nature. You can even play in agriculture.
                "It’s good to have a village house, having an apartment in Moscow"

                But what is characteristic, there are more and more of them.
                1. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 11 June 2020 18: 02 New
                  0
                  Recently, on the OTR channel, experts, realtors, sociologists and demographers, quite convincingly proved the opposite. Fashion for suburban housing passes.
            2. Kart
              Kart 11 June 2020 16: 14 New
              +3
              Quote: unaha
              Already now in many villages (suitable of course), most of the houses are in the format of summer cottages of citizens.

              And right there:
              Quote: unaha
              And if our state stops regularly emptying the pockets of citizens

              So these "in the format of summer cottages" where did they come from?
              Obviously, the state did not take all the money from them, since dachas are bought and built.
              Moreover, 10 years ago there were much fewer such people.
            3. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 11 June 2020 16: 19 New
              +3
              In our area, many are now under construction. Mostly local natives who once left for the cities. Well, there are enough summer residents.
            4. Yarhann
              Yarhann 13 June 2020 15: 07 New
              0
              and the state empties the pockets of citizens? I didn’t know) I thought that the majority of our population was poorly educated and worthless with their professional skills in the global market for the division of labor, and every year countries with better human resources are tearing themselves further and further from us. In order to live well, one must earn good money, and in the modern world, one who has an excellent education and a profession in demand on the labor market earns well. But for now, we are living on a stupid redistribution from the sale of the resources of our subsoil, and the development of the quality of human resources in our country is extremely slow. And the saddest thing is that most of the population does not want to study - that is, nothing shines for them now, not in the future, although if we again build the USSR with universal equalization ... but I hope this will not happen
          3. SOVIET UNION 2
            SOVIET UNION 2 11 June 2020 15: 46 New
            +2
            Yeah! Fewer farmers! We are talking. Where are you going? On watch. Clear. To Moscow or to the north? To the village. Do not understand! Well, we work in the village for two weeks on a shift! AS Ivanov, are these modern technologies? All work on a rotational basis !?
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 11 June 2020 16: 22 New
              +2
              In the North - only as a shift, there is no need to live there permanently, and even more so to raise children there - this is a region unsuitable for life. Village life, it is also an amateur, not everyone agrees to live outside the city. Therefore, you can also use the shift method.
            2. Kart
              Kart 11 June 2020 16: 27 New
              +3
              Well, why not technology?
      2. DVR
        DVR 11 June 2020 21: 40 New
        -4
        city-forming enterprises collapse and cities

        All that could collapse, for the most part, has long since collapsed in the 90s. Now more often opens a new one.
        there are no prospects in small towns for youth,

        I agree, I don’t see a simple solution, the world trend.
        millionaires grow in breadth and height creating more problems and becoming the biggest problem

        If this were such a big problem, China would have disappeared and a number of other states.
      3. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
        Andrey Krasnoyarsky 12 June 2020 11: 27 New
        +2
        State statistics ??? Go to the Rosstat website and enjoy the secret as much as the soul desires. Of course, there is information not subject to disclosure, but the population is definitely not a state secret.
    4. Aleksandre
      Aleksandre 11 June 2020 16: 13 New
      +5
      Another classic noted that dead souls can bring a good profit.
    5. lego2
      lego2 12 June 2020 20: 00 New
      -3
      sorry not for you, huh?
    6. Johann Klassen
      Johann Klassen 12 June 2020 23: 23 New
      +3
      It would be surprising if the population in the Russian Federation would be 15-20% more than official data.
      Let us remind everyone, and Mr. K. Poltoranin, first of all, if he is not aware of the events that took place in the territory of the former USSR and the country, the right of successor to the Soviet Union and of course the Russian Empire-Russian Federation from 1985 to 1991, from 1991 to 2000.
      The total destruction of everything: the economy, medicine, public education, children, youth, the elderly with the hands of K. Poltoraninins like these.
      Neither pensions, nor salaries, total alcoholization and drug addiction, all human things were corroded from people.
      In a word, the new 1941th year and the occupation of the country, only this time, without the organization of resistance.
      The exact number of those who were killed or died from liberal-democratic transformations-repressions should be called by specialists.
      And I don’t know how for you, but I think you will not deny this, all of the above continues from 2000 to 2020, that is, today.
  2. Far B
    Far B 11 June 2020 14: 02 New
    18
    Marvelous, marvelous capitalist world! The population decline over 30 years just rolls over. I’ve already said once, I’ll repeat again: a quiet, creeping civil war is going on in the country, where on the one hand there is power, and on the other people. While the people are losing on all fronts, suffering heavy losses. Unfortunately, there is no end to the edge of this war.
    1. Zeev
      Zeev zeev 11 June 2020 14: 16 New
      0
      Or maybe it's not about capitalism? In the very capitalist Israel, the population in 10 years has grown from 7.4 million to 9 million. And far from the expense of mass repatriation, just a family with fewer than three children is a rather rare occurrence.
      1. credo
        credo 11 June 2020 14: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: ZeevZeev
        Or maybe it's not about capitalism? In the very capitalist Israel, the population in 10 years has grown from 7.4 million to 9 million. And far from the expense of mass repatriation, just a family with fewer than three children is a rather rare occurrence.

        Unsuccessful example, especially about capitalism and "... a rare phenomenon ...".
      2. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 11 June 2020 15: 50 New
        +1
        Well, why so many children? So love sexual intercourse or no money for contraceptives? What are the reasons for population growth?
      3. lego2
        lego2 12 June 2020 20: 10 New
        -3
        You want to say that in ten years, fifteen percent have given birth, is this beyond the natural replenishment of the dead? Did the Jews themselves tell you this or did you figure it out? Or maybe you believe that one and a half lard lives in China, well, the Chinese themselves say so, or already more? Jews just scare Arabs, it will become profitable to have less, they will immediately lose a couple of millions. They know how to keep their nose in the wind. It is what it is.
      4. Johann Klassen
        Johann Klassen 12 June 2020 23: 49 New
        +2
        Or maybe you dear voiced the true reasons, the increase in the population in Israel?
        How are Jews different from Muslims in this sense?
        For example, in the Federal Republic of Germany, the population is also falling, not as sharply as in Russia.
        But in the near future, the number of pensioners will reach sixty percent.
        But there are also problems with the younger generation, for the solution of which a new category of "burghers" from Muslim refugees has appeared.
        By the way, the number of Jews living in Germany is also growing, everything is in order with the birth rate.
        1. Yarhann
          Yarhann 13 June 2020 14: 57 New
          0
          The local population in all developed countries has been falling a long time ago, in the same Germany the growth is due to migration, just as long ago.
          If you want to talk about developed countries and their populations, then it is better to look at Japan and the South Caucasus, where in fact there is no such migration policy and the same impasse of population growth has already been observed in recent decades.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 11 June 2020 14: 23 New
      0
      Singapore is often remembered here and there is the smallest birth rate in the world. Europe Keeping the existing birth and death rates in European countries, the number of children under the age of 15 will be reduced by 2050% by 40 (to 87 million), and the number of elderly people will double (to 169 million). If Europe intends to maintain the current ratio of age groups, then by 2050 it will have to accept 169 million immigrants, mainly from Africa and the Middle East. Demographics predict that in the next 50 years the age structure of the population in European countries will change dramatically in favor of middle and older ages. all over the world with this not ice. here it is only necessary to look for a global solution. It can be noted that today the population is "growing internally" (that is, not by inertia, when the birth rate is higher than the reproduction rate - 2,1 children per woman) only in Africa, as well as in a number of Latin American and Of Asia. The rest of the world is no longer reproducing. This is not only Russia, but all of Europe, as well as such demographic giants as the USA, Canada, Brazil, China, Japan, South Korea, Thailand. Almost half of the countries of the world already have a birth rate below two children per woman. It is the largest in Africa - 4,4. In Asia, only 2,1, Latin America - 2,0, North America - 1,7, Europe - 1,6. It is interesting that developed countries have a birth rate of 1,6, and the least developed countries have 4,0, including countries with low incomes - 4,5. This is the basis for conducting an ideological campaign on a global scale that identifies high fertility with poverty and requires a further reduction in fertility to reduce poverty, although poverty does not decrease. Today, fertility above three children per woman, in addition to Africa, remains in only 9 countries in Asia and the same number of island states in Oceania. Moreover, Israel may fly out of their number next year.
  3. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 11 June 2020 14: 06 New
    +3
    there is truth and there is a lie ... and there are statistics ...
  4. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 11 June 2020 14: 10 New
    11
    I would still like to get expert evidence. Arguments like “one grandmother said in the market” “I dreamed yesterday” and “if it seems to me that means it is so” do not roll.
    1. tatra
      tatra 11 June 2020 14: 59 New
      +3
      Even if according to official statistics - on mortality / birth rate in Russia after 1991 - without taking into account Crimeans and migrants who moved to Russia from the former republics of the USSR, now in Russia from 148 million citizens in 1991 there are no more than 133 million people left.
      1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
        Andrey Krasnoyarsky 12 June 2020 11: 31 New
        +1
        That would have been calculated by the difference in mortality-birth rate for 29 years, plus migrants and the population of Crimea, and it’s just blah blah. Quite often they propose to believe the digits, which somewhere were once given by someone, but when you start checking, it turns out to be linden lime, or the calculation according to the method of "suckers will believe everything."
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  6. Horla
    Horla 11 June 2020 14: 50 New
    +4
    How did the author become an expert?
  7. storm
    storm 11 June 2020 14: 59 New
    +5
    These data are most likely correct since according to information from the FSB, 30-32 million people are illegally staying in Russia. this is the 20% that the Kremlin authorities are trying to make "new citizens of the Russian Federation" for the sake of momentary political gain.
    This is a criminal policy for the mass distribution of passports of the Russian Federation will “ring around” in ten years, when these newly-arrived millions of new fellow citizens will begin to retire and demand legal payments, while most of these “new Russians” did not pay a penny to the budget, they worked illegally and the proceeds were sent monthly to their home republics.
    It is clear that in 10-15 years no one will have this power in Russia, they will happily live out their lives in London, the USA, Spain ..... with billions exported, but many simply do not realize the problem that they create.
    The Pension Fund is already "bursting at the seams" without fulfilling its main function - SAVE AND MULTIPLE PENSION DEPOSITS OF CITIZENS !!!
    As a result, those who worked in Russia for the last 30–40 years and regularly paid taxes and deductions to the Pension Fund in 10–15 years will receive a “defective” pension at the cost of living along with “Ravshans”, “Dzhamshuti”, “ Mahmuds "who just received passports of citizens of the Russian Federation, and kremleboty reported to" godfather "about the stable population growth in Russia.
    1. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 11 June 2020 15: 59 New
      +2
      And why the claims of the Jamshutam and Mahmoud? Who hired them illegally? Why do they (employers) have no complaints? Regarding flawed pensions. Pensions go at the rate of 30-40% of the salary. It seems so . Our salaries today are 1-2 minimum wages. Do you want a pension of 3-6 thousand rubles? Who, with a salary of 10 thousand rubles, will pay pensions of 20 thousand rubles? Let you have a salary of 2 minimum wages-24 thousand rubles. How much will you be from 24 thousand?
    2. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
      Andrey Krasnoyarsky 12 June 2020 11: 44 New
      +2
      Here is a typical example of a fool on the principle of “suckers believe without checking.” In fact, according to the FSB border service, 32,6 million are all who have entered the territory of the Russian Federation in 20 years, including tourists, quite legal labor migrants, students invited to visit, businessmen , shuttles and others. The vast majority of foreigners traveled for a short time and 32 million of the indicated number left Russia. As for illegal migrants, for obvious reasons, it is impossible to accurately calculate them, but according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, about 2-3 million people are estimated. So the panicky exclamations about Jamshudah and Chania that invaded Russia are simply the result of perceiving information on the principle of "I heard a ringing, but I don’t know where it is."
    3. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 27 June 2020 10: 09 New
      0
      they will happily live out their lives in London, the USA, Spain ..... on billions exported, but many simply do not realize the problem that they create.


      Happily surviving in London and Spain will not work. The partners will strip and strip them, and the process has already begun, at best, a miserable million ye will remain for living.
  8. Rusland
    Rusland 11 June 2020 15: 04 New
    -6
    Quote: lexus
    healthy, incl. Mentally, a person has sense organs and his own brain.

    What a smart girl. yes
    Shnobel Prize to you.
  9. veritas
    veritas 11 June 2020 15: 04 New
    +9
    Russia is dying. This has long been known, as well as the lies that pour from the media and the lips of officials.
    1. Kart
      Kart 11 June 2020 16: 49 New
      0
      It remains to tell this news to the principals of schools and kindergartens. Now they are really racking their brains about where to take their children, all the rooms are already occupied.
      And then it turns out everyone has already died out.
      Here they are surprised.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 11 June 2020 19: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Carte
        It remains to tell this news to the principals of schools and kindergartens. Now they are really racking their brains about where to take their children, all the rooms are already occupied.
        And then it turns out everyone has already died out.
        Here they are surprised.

        kindergartens, you know how many destroyed? hundreds if not thousands! and now every new report.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 June 2020 02: 08 New
      -1
      It has been dying with yours for 30 years already - but the reality is different.
  10. Kolin
    Kolin 11 June 2020 15: 35 New
    +2
    And the role of the Illuminati and reptilians in the video is revealed?
  11. mark2
    mark2 11 June 2020 15: 46 New
    -2
    some nonsense. some numbers, amounts, ratios that are difficult to verify.
    more or less accurate information about the population has only the registry office. They record birth and death. And all sorts of disgraced Poltoranin, can only throw in favor of dissatisfied with the authorities
    1. Kart
      Kart 11 June 2020 16: 49 New
      -2
      What do they do successfully.
  12. Maks1995
    Maks1995 11 June 2020 15: 48 New
    +2
    I myself personally managed to still see on the registry office the famous figures about 90-100 million registered population during the official census of more than 140. Then they were gone, as well as the entire section of statistics on the site.

    So 20 percent there, 20 percent here is a trifling matter both for Rosstat and for voting, elections, the constitution and other life activities of the elite ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 11 June 2020 18: 07 New
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      What is this registry office site? We do not have a single federal structure with this name
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 15 June 2020 09: 32 New
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        You may not, but in the passports and birth certificates it is ...,)))
        Like the famous Gopher ...))))
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 15 June 2020 11: 38 New
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          You are confusing the two structures, the former FMS, now the migration department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the civil registry offices, whose activities are regulated by federal laws, but they do not have structures at the federal level. Again. The former Federal Migration Service, now the Ministry of Internal Affairs Migration Directorate, is a federal structure, and the civil registry offices are regional subordinate structures that do not have a federal governing body and have nothing to do with the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The migration service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is involved in passports, and the registry offices are involved in birth, death, marriage, and divorce certificates. Although it is obvious that there is some kind of interaction between the migration service and the civil registry offices.
          1. Maks1995
            Maks1995 15 June 2020 13: 45 New
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            No.
            In vain you are all sorts of FMS, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is dragging off-topic.

            The registry office considers born, dead.
            The difference between them is just living. Plus emigration, etc.
            Previously, general and private statistics were posted on the registry office (there are many of them). Now - once looked, did not find.

            Remember the gopher))))
  13. Old partisan
    Old partisan 11 June 2020 16: 07 New
    +3
    The last census was just a joke. Bullying the census. A passport is not needed who lives in an apartment no matter. Heaped a bunch of dough. And what did they find out ❓
    Never mind. How many people in the country yes x know him. The police don't even know that.
    But in fact it seems to me good if 100-110 million.
    1. Kart
      Kart 11 June 2020 16: 50 New
      +3
      If you count with those who are illegally stateless, then perhaps a lot more than 140 million.
  14. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 11 June 2020 18: 13 New
    -3
    Every year, if memory serves, since 2007, the reincarnation of the ravings of a certain Ulyana has forgotten her name, who "worked" in the non-existent "federal registry office". Well, not tired? And the calculations based on a comparison with Ukraine are generally moronic. The mobility of Ukrainians is many times greater than the mobility of Russians. The site management is not tired of placing any crap?
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 12 June 2020 20: 30 New
      +1
      Then there was no close central base of registry offices, just starting to collect the base, most likely. And now there is hardly any, otherwise why would a separate, uniform GIS with data from all residents of the Russian Federation be needed? which is just being created?
  15. Hwostatij
    Hwostatij 11 June 2020 19: 50 New
    +1
    People, what are you talking about? The statistics are lying, we all died, and tomorrow we’ll die even more? So tear yourself away from computers, simple human physiological relationships will save the world)))
  16. Bat039
    Bat039 11 June 2020 22: 24 New
    +5
    Money needs to be spent on the indigenous population of the Russian Federation, and not on foreign parasites and their country, together with their presidents Obeshchalkins, then things will go wrong in Russia and, of course, you need to drive Chubais of all stripes to the uranium mines of the Russian Federation, without this, Russia will not be able to develop! !!
  17. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 12 June 2020 01: 59 New
    +2
    Within half a year before the coronavirus, among my friends, 6 people left Russia. The usual "middle" class of Russia. And they will be listed in these 145 million people, although they no longer live here and are not going back.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 13 June 2020 00: 21 New
      0
      None of my friends in the past 20 years have gone anywhere abroad. So what? It is necessary to do an analysis based on the analysis of large numbers.
  18. Doccor18
    Doccor18 12 June 2020 18: 24 New
    +4
    After a short period, when the natural increase in the number of inhabitants was recorded in the Russian Federation (even without taking into account the reunification with the Crimea), the years came when the natural decline reappears.

    Nt what profit the RUSSIAN population since 1991 has never been. If there was an increase, it was at the expense of the brothers from Transcaucasia and Central Asia.
    From the laughs of my acquaintances, friends, relatives, only one family has 3 children, 90% - 1 child, 10% - 2 children. What kind of arirost can we talk about?
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 13 June 2020 00: 24 New
      -1
      Among several colleagues and fellow countrymen, I have several people who have three or four children each. One of my cousins ​​has three children. Of these facts, I do not want any general conclusions.
  19. Yarhann
    Yarhann 12 June 2020 22: 57 New
    +4
    Dolbany campaign not in the course of how to keep a record of the population. There is a starting point for the census, after it there is a record of the born, the dead, the arrived, the left. Everything is a stat, so all countries in the world work. How many specific citizens are within the borders of the state so far do not know more than one state on Earth. There are no such technical means, but it is a matter of time.
    The population will grow or shrink, I personally shit especially with such a quality. It’ll greatly affect my life. Like it or not, Russia lives not as a human resource, but as a natural - fossil. In order to put this entire human resource into science ... oh, dreams, it fucked him did not fall to that population. If there was a cult of science and education in the scoop, now there is no cult - just a dumb herd of consumers. Because you do not play a special role what will be the population of the Russian Federation - with such quality of material)
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 13 June 2020 14: 25 New
      0
      If this whole human resource is put into science ... oh dreams


      This is not particularly difficult - it is possible to introduce tax deductions on income from the internally produced most high-tech production products and services of scientific organizations and not do anything for another 30 years. There are now vanishingly few such products and services and the budget will not even notice these deductions, but they will pull the rest with them, since there is a "ladder of difficulty."
      1. Yarhann
        Yarhann 13 June 2020 14: 49 New
        +1
        and educated professionals where they come from) there is no resource. And there is no resource because there is no demand for it. But there is no demand because a high-tech product has limited sales markets - because on the Earth and in Russia in particular, most of the population is poor and cannot consume goods with high added value.
        It’s just that nothing can be solved with taxes - vertical integration is needed from stimulating demand for a high value-added product to training personnel in educational institutions. In a simple way, as it was in the USSR, we train personnel for factories and research institutes that create products that have stable demand in the national economy.
        This is a closed system and it is necessary to stimulate demand, as an example in Germany, the government allocates subsidies for the purchase of electric vehicles created within the EU - in fact, count in Germany, and these are jobs for hard workers and engineers, demand for education, and education is also specialists highly paid and so on in a circle. To be able to buy products with high added value, you need to earn well enough, and these are usually high-class hard workers and engineers. Let's just say a conditional janitor that in Russia that in Germany can not afford to buy a Mercedes and by no miracle he will not fall into this cycle, but the conditional engineer that in Russia that in Germany can just purchase such a product because he himself is involved in such a circle of consumption and production. But the poor are pulled in many countries by subsidies - so that they consume more high-tech products, that is, in fact, they make the rich richer, and the poor still do not participate in the creation of these products, and demand is artificially stimulated. But this is a problem of developed economies and countries, in the Russian Federation, in order to create this circle of production-consumption, in any case, it is necessary to stimulate demand in order to launch demand for educated people who will then produce and consume this very product.
        1. ycuce234-san
          ycuce234-san 13 June 2020 18: 58 New
          +1
          I got acquainted with interest but no, none of this will become a problem, and especially personnel.
          The business makes the main money on another business and no human potential prevents corporations from ripping off each other to shorts and others like them, pushing together a high-tech product (and high-tech bullshit - where would it be without it wink ).
          If you zero for several decades, taxes on income in a particular place and in a specific sphere - there, by the smell of profit, those terrible and unprincipled "business wolves" immediately appear, yes, those same corporations and individuals, from the post-apocalyptic tales of economists (they tell them overnight from under the bed, like pioneers in the camp, for the thrill of life) and will do everything in the best possible way: they will make these corporate high-tech and high-tech products, refresh wolves easier - world corporations by their legitimate 3000%, which, in in turn, it will be sold to billions of people at 5% and everything will be at its best ...
          In general, you need to fulfill a few conditions - to nullify the income tax, so that engaging in high-tech risky business becomes more profitable than such profitable occupations as financial speculation or drug trafficking. And, of course, it is strictly necessary to make sure that they are engaged in high technology and science, and not just another blunt digging of a diamond mine or pumping another slurry from the bowels.
          The same weapons or drug lords or financial speculators somehow do not complain about personnel problems - that among the Colombian jungle or Mexican slums and deserts - why there are no advanced chemists or ingenious mathematicians - in the London suburbs; they don’t ask knee-deep and tearfully for help from the state of Colombia or Mexico, moaning and weeping “Chemists noooooooo !!! ....” or “Gunsmiths-krivorukiiieeeeee !!!”, “Ships-even they don’t know how to build a decent submarine! ..” . Somehow this does not prevent them in their specific areas from developing their specific products ...
  20. Brigadier
    Brigadier 14 June 2020 14: 36 New
    +1
    I don’t know what about demography on a national scale, but in life more and more young families postpone the birth of a child until later, and then either give birth to one or not give birth at all because of the “wonderful” housing, labor, and especially material conditions created for them by "servants of the people", oligarchs and the "great leader", because the salaries of the spouses of the child can’t be raised, and all payments for the birth of the child against the background of high-speed inflation, in general - a complete zilch and the problem does not solve ...

    Moreover, Putin, as a true strategist looking to the future, remarkably helped to solve the problem of Russia's demography by approving an extended retirement period, in which older people who could have worked out their labor resources and who could sit in retirement with their newborn grandchildren, now have to work without a pension for several more years, to simply DO NOT KEEP FROM HUNGER !!!.
    And there is no one to sit with their grandchildren, because parents also work (unless, of course, there is at least some kind of work). That is why young families are afraid to give birth. That's why demography pulled to the baseboard!

    Therefore, we all say in chorus: “Thank you to great Putin for the rapidly emptying Russia. You did everything you could ...”

    And now Putin wants us to vote for his "amendment" to the Constitution (for which one, we are well aware), which will allow him to rule without interruption and further, and so to speak continue, continue, continue, continue, continue ... solve the problem with demographic indicators in the country to the end.

    To the very end ...
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 14 June 2020 14: 54 New
      -4
      Eh, friendship ... you are very skidded:

      ... more and more young families are postponing the birth of a child for “later”, and then they either give birth to one or not give birth at all because of the “wonderful” housing, working, and especially material conditions created for them by “servants of the people”, oligarchs and the "great leader", because the salaries of the spouses of the child can’t be raised, and all payments for the birth of the child against the background of high-speed inflation, in general - a complete zilch and the problem does not solve ...

      Um, malay ... I’m remembering how I raised my family: the year 1990, February, daughter. There are no salaries, no housing (the room in the hostel is uncountable, the three of us will not fit there), the housing is rented, like it or not.

      Got out. Joke, huh?

      Zadolbali you already, agitators. Either they never lived in real life, or ... they were greatly spoiled by socialism in the USSR version. Both that, and another are equally bad.
  21. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 14 June 2020 22: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: ccsr
    And this is not counting New Moscow. So nothing will burst here, but according to my rough estimates together with visitors the Moscow region and the Moscow region have long exceeded 25 million people, i.e. every sixth citizen of Russia already lives in this conglomerate. Or is it not so? So why should it burst if in China, for example, such a population has many cities. Are we made with a finger and don’t know how to control the masses of people?


    Ask about visitors.
    In Moscow, entire complexes are already populated by ethnic migrants from Central Asia.
    In schools in the south of Moscow, from 28-30 students in the lower (middle) grades of 23-25 ​​students are children from Central Asia. Moreover, teachers cannot work normally in elementary grades - students do not speak Russian at all.
    Their parents consciously raise them in the national traditions of their countries. They wanted to spit on adaptation and assimilation.
    In the Kaluga region, a large enterprise was built several years ago. The owners of the plant promised that they would hire locals from the surrounding villages.
    Hired!
    They take the Uzbeks to watch buses, so it’s cheaper.
    Capitalism is so arranged, for the benefit they will dust the indigenous population together with nature.
    And the remnants of the subjugated will be driven into the human fellows, with well-yards. To get used to the prison surroundings. And it’s more convenient to manage the masses.

    Digression.

    Our developers, broke all the records of greed, squeeze a penny from every square meter of Moscow land.
    In France, even in the poorest Arab suburbs this is not built. They limit the number of floors, the courtyards are spacious. With a 5-storey building (similar to our Khrushchev’s type), the width of the courtyard is twice as wide as in a typical courtyard of the Moscow complex of 40-storey buildings humane people..
    In Italy, if they build residential high-rises (10-15 floors), they use light openings (the first two floors on stilts). People, children being in the yard, do not rest their eyes on the concrete walls of the box, but see the space surrounding the house.
    Our crafters often use the first and second floor for shops, so you can also cut the dough on a rental.
    What have they turned people into? You drive them into multi-storey barracks, like in a concentration camp. For whom are you liberating land outside the Moscow metropolitan area ?.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 June 2020 02: 11 New
      -1
      No one is driving anyone anywhere - people decide what to buy and where to live.
  22. T-44
    T-44 6 July 2020 02: 19 New
    0
    Well, if the expert said then it was pointed straight to the sky with a finger. Expert moysha is still that.