US intends to deploy icebreaker fleet by 2029

The United States intends to create a strong icebreaker fleet, capable of "protecting US national interests" in the Arctic and Antarctic. US President Donald Trump instructed the administration to develop an icebreaker deployment program fleet, said in a Tuesday memorandum.

According to the document, the United States should deploy a polar icebreaker fleet by fiscal year 2029 (begins in October 2028). Trump instructed to study the pros and cons of operating at least three heavy icebreakers, as well as medium ones, the number of which is not indicated.

To ensure the protection of national interests in the Arctic and Antarctic and to maintain a strong presence in the Arctic, together with US allies and partners, a ready and capable polar fleet of icebreakers is needed, which will be tested and deployed by fiscal year 2029

- the document says.

The administration was also instructed to consider renting icebreakers from other countries for a time until the United States acquired its own icebreaker fleet.

Recall that at present, the United States has only two old polar icebreakers - the North Star and Hillie. In April 2019, VT Halter Marine received a $ 745 million contract from the Coast Guard providing for the detailed design and construction of the vessel. In total, it is planned to build three icebreakers at the shipyard in Paskagul (Mississippi), with $ 1,9 billion expected to be spent on these purposes.

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[silverwolf88]

we expect from the hegemon the greatest icebreakers in the history of the planet at the price of aircraft carriers ... I wonder where they will build ... the vessels of the most powerful ice class of the USA have never produced ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: silberwolf88

I wonder where they will build ...

No less interesting is the question: “Where (in what water area) do you plan to crack ice?”

[antivirus]

everything has a price and icebreakers and NSR, and gas-oil, and transit through the NSR.
it is not indicated here — is there an economic content in the Northwest passage ??? or are they just trying to increase the military presence

[Motorist]

Is there an economic dimension to the Northwest passage?

Sevzapprohod - this is in the bourgeois style, in our opinion - the Northern Sea Route. Do not open the Overton window, and so is a draft from all sides!

[antivirus]

I know the NSR along Siberia, and the NW pass - along the Canadian archipelagos - England tried to "make navigable" it back in the middle of the 19th century. Transit Race to Quiet Okyan

[Motorist]

Ah, here is what thought you wanted to convey! Sorry, I didn’t understand right away. Yes, with freight there is not very ...

[aviator6768]

Yes, in ours, who's in the way? Or what will get in the way? "Concerns" by Zakharova? For two years they trumpeted about the "end of the pipe" of Ukraine ... AND WHAT? The pipe is rotten, but we are paying for it now, oh, how good it is (in addition to fines, that for a dashing Cossack - little things) ... ON CLICK - SP-2 just got up .... This is a medical fact! I'm also afraid. and the Northern Sea Route will be .... Political WILL is needed ... Understanding that it won't get worse ... AND - ACTION!

[Motorist]

SP-2 just got up ... We need a political WILL ... AND - ACTION

Your suggestions for SP-2?

[aviator6768]

They hoped for a gap (time lag) that the Americans left) and Alseas would be able to complete, but they were afraid ... ok, they had to immediately drive Chersky without looping (understandable to the first-grader), and finish building in spite of everything. In July - fish is not allowed, in October it will be difficult due to the weather ... Yes, the price and the conjuncture are not the same, but to hope that "we are reliable and good" has long been naive ... Undertook - do it! These rushes, what would please everyone, is a dead end ... What, with the Ukrainians it was impossible to calculate that there is a supply for a year and a half and during this time gas will definitely not be urgently needed? How many popos? 48? this is without loss of image (yes, it has long been gone). Third energy package? let it be a cold winter - those Poles will be kicked into a Polish farm and gagged .... All the more, you have to play at the price of CNG bought by the Americans for the same ... There is no hard hand, only "May decrees" ... in neryungryah, magot, tynda ... Forty-eighth contractor, there will be sense, no? THERE IS SOMEONE to make (organize) a logging site for the unloading site of the pipe, but those who want (one to remove and fold - about a hundred square meters (2016)) are above the roof ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: ROSS 42

Where (in what water area) do they plan to crack ice?

Around Alaska, ice breaks off.

[bayard]

Quote: ROSS 42

No less interesting is the question: “Where (in what water area) do you plan to crack ice?”

Alaska, Bering Strait, Arctic Ocean as far as they can. They will probably try to defend "freedom of navigation" along the NSR.

[cormorant]

As I recall, it was already discussed that the VT Halter Marine shipyard has no experience in building icebreakers. So you still need to see how it will be, how much they will spend and what will result in the end. Mattresses, if they want, of course, will make their own icebreaker, but with us now they are simply separated by an abyss in quantity. The next 50 years, they have no chance of even being compared with the Russian icebreaking fleet.

[Runoway]

The mask was also predicted by trampolines.
China also began construction of icebreakers, apparently for the Chinese north

[Interlocutor]

The mask was also predicted by trampolines.

Let's calm down already. Musk helped the United States finally return to duty (For 9 years, with their then dough). Hooray. Now the price of our flights will drop sharply (because there is a competitor) and we will take turns flying on the ISS and then on ours or on their ship. A private company that received crazy money from the state (and do not argue) just read the press earlier. A bold decision to plant tails and reuse them. We are waiting for the law of large numbers to work. What figs we need to plant tails when the steppe and the Siberian forest are around. Near Japan are we going to catch them, or in China? Therefore, we will do one-time.
About the rest of the exploits - let's wait when they happen. For a fad, those who want to hypanut, the replacement of Hablou for the second year can not rivet and run. And they are silent about it. All put off, put off, and put off.
The next feat is the station near the moon. We are waiting ... So far, only chatter. From all sides. All other satellite launches, fussing on the ISS, are also stomping on the spot, whatever they say. Here the Mars rover in the USA plowed on Mars for 12 years, it’s really super.
To learn how to fight off stones from space, this is a feat.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Interlocutor

Here the Mars rover in the USA plowed on Mars for 12 years, it’s really super.

Yes Yes...
“Opportunity” - from January 25, 2004 to June 10, 2018. Particularly impressive:

And the United States has many different successes, the main of which is Rogozin as the head of Roscosmos.

[Runoway]

The fact that they could! And with icebreakers they can. What are the shifts in Roscosmos for 20 years? Are you going to fight for hydrocarbons on the shelves, and how are we going to produce, just like before 2014 with the help of Shell? Or maybe, according to the Siberian scheme, we will give China a contract at 50%, nor is the PRC engaged in icebreakers for this

[Interlocutor]

Going to fight for hydrocarbons on the shelves

We are not going to fight for them. We are going to protect, if necessary, our territory. And as far as I know from advanced countries, nobody picks our shelf on our territory.

Or maybe, according to the Siberian scheme, we will give China a contract at 50%, nor is the PRC engaged in icebreakers for this

I don’t think that someone was given at 50 percent.
But in any case, the question is always where the tax goes.
In one you are right, now the task is to quickly finish the Chinese branch. Let anyone build it and at what percentage. Gas one FIG will go to them. And with these transits we will never know the kitchen anyway. And what the press writes is usually bullshit. News for hype.

[Runoway]

We are going to protect, if necessary, our territory

This area has become interesting to the whole world after melting ice.
First is the Northern Sea Route
Secondly, there are many minerals that become profitable for development.
Why did you raise the topic of Shell, because our country has a solid import from production to refining, and what kind of gas pipes we can’t lay.
And this is import substitution, the work of institutions, a huge number of jobs, including the issue of equipment export

But in any case, the question is always where the tax goes.

Do not consider these pennies, it’s like the salary of a traffic cop, which he forgets to get. Remember the project of a nuclear power plant for Turkey, which was supposed to pay off in 50 years and you’ll immediately understand who benefits from these projects.

[Alex777]

Smart uncles in the States privatized NASA.
Engineers for government money solve the problems of the Mask.
NASA patents gave him everything and develop.
This scam on our scale never dreamed of.
Small private company. Ah ha ha ha

[antivirus]

we don’t have and didn’t have a gas turbine, from the outskirts we are pulling specialists and the like — we’ll master it — then you can spit on Bandera;
Americans also from the world in the welder and on the drawing sheet - and they will assemble for themselves on the icebreaker. laughing early yet

[cormorant]

Yes, and in RUSELPROM they didn’t know that we didn’t have and didn’t have a gas turbine ...

RUSELPROM Concern will equip the icebreaker Yevpatiy Kolovrat with lead diesel generators .... Previously, RUSELPROM designed and manufactured propeller electric motors (GED) for the diesel-electric icebreaker of project 21180 - Ilya Muromets. The power of each HED is 3,5 MW. The rated voltage is 690 V. For this “hero”, other components of a fundamentally new electric propulsion system developed by RUSELPROM engineers were also supplied.

[Deck]

I understand to you "that the prism, that the enema, all from the same mythology." That GTU, that GED. Sounds mysterious and beautiful.

[Deck]

As I recall, it was already discussed that the VT Halter Marine shipyard has no experience in building icebreakers

Excuse me, what is the terrible secret of building icebreakers? So to say intimate knowledge and experience transmitted from ancestors?

[cormorant]

A question for a question, and what is the terrible secret of rocket engine production and what prevented the striped from making a similar RD-180 engine, which they have been purchasing from us from wooly 1997?

The American side will not find an alternative to the Russian rocket engine RD-180 until 2030 - such a conclusion is contained in the report of the research service of the US Congress. According to experts, the United States in the next 10 years will not be able to create its own rocket engine, equal to the Russian one in terms of technical indicators and level of reliability.

[Deck]

I won’t say anything about rocket engines - I don’t know.
But about the icebreakers. Half (large) of the Rosmorport icebreakers were built in Finland. Modern diesel engines designed by the Norwegian Aker, with Finnish Wärtsilä diesels, ABB Marine throttle columns. The Vyborg plant laid the first 21900M in 2012 and learned almost immediately (what a surprise!) Or did he transmit the secret knowledge of ARCTECH in the city of Helsinki?
Nuclear plants in the world are not standing because of the extremely costly operation. Freight rate per day is about $ 100. At this price, they do not need anyone. I think we wouldn’t have built if we knew how to make diesel.

[cormorant]

Freight rate per day is about $ 100.

Do not confuse the freight rate with the operating costs, there are completely different numbers. Of course, the operation of the nuclear icebreaker is an order of magnitude larger, also in connection with the disposal of waste, the number of crews, special repairs, the base and much more. But here it is necessary to compare all factors, how much a diesel icebreaker will carry fuel (150-200 tons per day) and where, when it is bunkered in the Arctic in extremely difficult ice conditions. Do not forget the nuclear icebreaker, as a rule, is an order of magnitude more powerful than the diesel icebreaker. We take into account plans for the development of the military infrastructure of the NSR. Which icebreaker, nuclear or diesel, will provide constant and timely navigation? And when during the threatened period you need to strengthen the Navy at one or the other end of the Northern Route no one will reckon with the costs, then the nuclear icebreaker fleet will pay for itself. We need all kinds of icebreakers, both nuclear and diesel.

[Deck]

Do not confuse the freight rate with the operating costs, there are completely different numbers

Nuclear-powered icebreakers are being built for you, you are a co-owner of Atomflot. No? Then their operating costs do not concern you. Only freight rate or an hour of icebreaking assistance. With the existing commercial operation of the NSR is not interesting to anyone. Even Novatek is trying to do without wiring and plans to build icebreakers on its LNG

and where, when to bunker in the Arctic in extremely difficult ice conditions.

Everything is in the same place where “Admiral Makarov”, “Krasin”, “Captain Khlebnikov” and “Captain Dranitsyn” bunker

You, cormorant, write about anything, but not about special knowledge on the construction of icebreakers, inaccessible to the Americans. This happens to people with people "not in the subject" but who would very much like to say something. Teenagers for example.

[cormorant]

I am flattered by your knowledge of shipbuilding and the technology of building icebreakers, especially in American shipyards. I will not argue, I am not special in the construction of icebreakers, although more than yours is connected with the sea than I have no doubt about.
And operating costs just concern me as a taxpayer. And if you think that FSUE Atomflot has co-owners, then there is nothing to talk about with you.

[Deck]

although more of yours is connected with the sea than I have no doubt.

You have no doubt in vain. Well, if not in the sense of a specialist splashing around on the beach.
Oh, yes, I forgot. Sorry. There are many more "sea wolves" - border guards, cops, port guards, phytosanitary control and other salted moremans

[cormorant]

There are many more "sea wolves" - border guards, cops, port guards, phytosanitary control and other salted moremans

I don’t know why you didn’t like the "frontiers" among them there are real sea wolves. By the way, I am sending you a photo from the bridge of my vessel to the nearest icebreaker Novorossiysk, located in the roadstead of Vladivostok.

[Deck]

Cadet?
Yes, and there are no wolves among service shepherds

[cormorant]

Well you are a comedian

[aviator6768]

Remind about trampolines? For several years, China has been compared with the great American ... Americans - they will allocate money - they will all build, DO NOT Doubt! We need to think about how to react ...

[bayard]

Quote: cormorant

The next 50 years, they have no chance of even being compared with the Russian icebreaking fleet.

Well, here you have enough, if you want - they will catch up - they will overwhelm the foreign ones with the proper competencies of the shipyard with their orders, if they themselves have no experience. Those Finns will gladly build a fleet for them.
Another question is that it makes no sense to compete with us in the number of icebreakers - they need to provide their fleet with access to the Arctic, and for that there are 6 pieces.

[Doccor18]

I wonder where they will build ...

So it will be at home.

In total, at the shipyard in Pascagul (Mississippi) it is planned to build ...

Of course, they will not be atomic.
The Americans are far from the Russian icebreaking fleet, but if taken seriously they will catch up. They have money and shipyards.

[aviator6768]

Supported. Facts - a stubborn thing .... The money will be allocated, the Congress will politicize the situation - the result will be ... We think - to launch regular deliveries faster through the NSR, having previously fixed it in international agreements (memorandums), with the same China, Japan (everyone is ready ) ... Coastal systems, officially declared "on guard" and so on ... Some Iran with their inflatable boats are afraid, What is our fear? Another condemnation? ... While being afraid of an internal explosion ... Not enough for anyone ...

[Dikson]

And why wouldn’t the Americans build a couple of atomic icebreakers? Do aircraft carriers build the same? And they can handle the icebreakers ... They just know how to count money ... besides military needs, they don’t need an icebreaker fleet ...

[Interlocutor]

The Americans are far from the Russian icebreaking fleet, but if taken seriously they will catch up.

Clear figs will catch up. Nine years later. To the icebreaker "Lenin". Another mask will be found. Joke

[Aleks2048]

US must deploy polar icebreaker fleet by fiscal year 2029

A good approach is to measure the deadlines for the completion of the property in fiscal years, and not to what are not attached prospects. And then, as if with Rogozin and trampolines did not work.
But seriously, why is this US fleet? To them it’s like a stop signal to a hare!

[ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2]

Icebreaking fleet and the United States things are not compatible, in the next 20 years for sure. Unless to distribute the money ...

[lubesky]

But what about the exploration of deep space by Mask? Terraforming ice satellites and plowing them with icebreakers of eternal ice in the orbit of Jupiter?

[vadim dok]

What is so unimaginably difficult to build icebreakers? Ships and ships of ANY size and class are being built, any engines from nuclear to electric are no problem for them. Unlike the Russian Federation ,!

[ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2]

When was the last time Americans built icebreakers?

[seregatara1969]

The icebreaker should work and be profitable. We have an ice path along the country, what do they have? In all ports, we have several icebreakers for piloting in winter, they work and bring money. Well, Canadians would like icebreakers

[Mavrikiy]

US intends to deploy icebreaker fleet by 2029

Chipped Canada, frozen? So let them not be in a hurry. Warming. It’ll drown itself.

[sergo1914]

It always seemed to me that the icebreaking fleet was for breaking ice, and not for “protecting national interests”.

[Pvi1206]

The interests of the United States are all over the world ... and no one objects ... except Russia ... even China is silent, but also ... quietly pushing around the world ... they say correctly that silence is gold ...

[rotmistr60]

The US needs a ready and capable polar icebreaker fleet to be tested and deployed by fiscal year 2029

For 8 years (October 2028) it’s not realistic to build an icebreaking fleet capable of opposing Russia's interests in the Arctic - even with the capabilities of the United States. Well, they’ll have time to build even 2-3 icebreakers, and will they surpass Russian icebreakers in their performance characteristics, will they have weapons and how will they defend their national interests if Russia works exclusively within its borders without claiming to foreign territories?

[Pereira]

I'm something completely disoriented.
A few days ago I had a chance to read that due to warming in the Arctic and melting ice, Russia’s icebreaking fleet was not needed. Money wasted, and icebreakers needed to be cut into scrap metal.
Trump clearly did not read that article.

[U-58]

While they deploy it, the Arctic will melt))))
We will confront in New Swabia ...

[Wedmak]

I will not wish good luck, do not deserve it.

The administration was instructed to consider renting icebreakers from other countries for a time until the United States acquired its own icebreaker fleet.

I’m even wondering who can rent icebreakers from while they are building their own?

[Pereira]

In Norway, for example.

[Wedmak]

Umm ... They only have one icebreaker, albeit armed. They themselves desperately need it. Will they give?

[Pereira]

Civil should be.

[Wedmak]

What do you mean "should be"? They seem to exist, but basically these are ships up to 10 thousand tons. Those that are larger can be counted on one hand. They can break no more than 1-1,5 meters of ice. And they are all diesel. And they all do their jobs in their respective countries.
Why would they give them to the US? For "hegemon" to say "good boy" and stroke the back of the neck?

[lubesky]

Unsuccessful militarily the development of the dough of their budget, a very promising development of dough from the budget in material terms. Grouping in ice at such a distance from the metropolis, in the logistics zone, the nuclear Superpower (which is also motivated to build an icebreaking fleet and strengthens lines in the disputed territory of influence), well, such an occupation is expensive, unpromising ...

[rocket757]

To protect national interests in the Arctic and Antarctic and

What to say? They will rob, at least try! We'll have to give a shortcut, as always.

[Mountain shooter]

Very quickly caught on. And where will they be bunkered? Not atomic which? They are aiming at OUR Arctic! So, all this is aimed at PR, especially since outside of the Trump powers ...

[rocket757]

Not coal, all the same ... the truth is that there are problems with heavy grades of fuel !!! green want to ban them!
Shaw then, diesel ???

[Asad]

The adversaries combed themselves!

[Wedmak]

It is naive to think that with their capabilities and experience this is unrealistic.

Firstly, they have already flown into space and the dragon is just a beautiful shell for existing technologies. Secondly, the USA has very, very little experience in building heavy-class icebreakers capable of breaking ice more than 2 meters. And these are years of development and testing, while we already have their whole fleet.

[homeshniy domovoy]

They rent from their partners: Canada, Germany, Estonia and Norway, Finland, if anything, comes in handy.

[Wedmak]

And like Canada, Germany, Estonia and Norway, and Finland have fleets of such ships and give one, even for denyuzhku ... yes easy! ??

[homeshniy domovoy]

Well, if Finland has 6 of them, one or two can be shared, Estonia can be one, Canada seems to be building, why not, everyone needs money, and so who knows

[Bersaglieri]

It is necessary to lease the decommissioned "Siberia" to them

[Wedmak]

Will cost. On the contrary, they need to solder the sanctions for aggression against the already melting ice of the Arctic.

[5-9]

3 pieces, mediocre enough, they will build of course, but the fleet niasilyat .... why they need them is also not very clear .... plow the Canadian Northwest Passage? So he is still Canadian and uncomfortable .... hanging around our coast .... well, show us a flag with a fig ... then what? Dieselists along us to drive "their" convoys along the NSR ?????

[Wedmak]

Walk to the NSR and proudly get stuck with their diesels, proudly showing the American flag to the polar bears. And it is just as proud to wait for our "Arctic" to break through to them.
Anglo-Saxon greed will not bring to good ...

[Melkumov Nikolay Mikhailovich]

The US icebreaker construction program will cope. Maybe they should think about laying their own version of the Northern Sea Route - along the shores of Alaska and Canada?

[5-9]

The Canadolas believe that this is their internal path .... it passes through their islands for the vast majority ... there is no agreement

[Vladimir Mashkov]

I'm not convinced that the United States really needs an icebreaker fleet in general due to its favorable geographic location. It's just that this is probably a kind of response to the construction of a powerful Russian icebreaker fleet. Like: "We have it too!" But Russia really needs a powerful icebreaker fleet. Even despite some global warming today.

[svp67]

If the Americans decide and allocate the necessary finances, then I don’t even doubt the possibility of their industry building such ships or the possibility of buying them from the same Finns.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Runoway

The mask was also predicted by trampolines.
China also began construction of icebreakers, apparently for the Chinese north

Yeah produced the "technology" of the 70s