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“Russians extinguish a fire with a cannon during the Cold War” - Western reaction to the personnel of the Russian Defense Ministry

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“Russians extinguish a fire with a cannon during the Cold War” - Western reaction to the personnel of the Russian Defense Ministry

On the eve of the pages of the "Military Review" published material on how the Central Military District artillerymen were involved in eliminating the fire at an oil well near Irkutsk. This news aroused great interest abroad. Perhaps the greatest response in connection with the actions of artillerymen of the Russian Armed Forces manifested itself in the Western press, including the US press.


The Western press notes that "the Russians decided to put out the fire with an anti-tank gun."

We are talking about the MT-12 Rapier cannon.

So, the publication of The Drive notes that the use of controlled explosions in extinguishing fires has long been known, but in order to use an anti-tank gun for the same purpose today ...

From the material:

The Russian army used a 100-mm towed cannon from the Cold War to put out a fire at an oil well in Siberia. The access of oxygen to the well was blocked, which allowed to extinguish the flame.

Direction of fire - oil well fittings.

Demonstrated personnel of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:



The author recalls that extinguishing fires can also be carried out when discharging aviation bombs. In particular, an example is given of the use of GBU-49 bombs by the Swedish JAS 39C Gripen fighter. This happened in the summer of 2018. With the help of a dropped bomb, it was eventually possible to extinguish a forest fire, which spread in the direction of the military training ground.

From the material:

However, the use of a towed anti-tank gun for this purpose is something that only a relatively small number of countries, including Russia, can think of. Western military almost universally stopped using it weapon decades ago, primarily in favor of guided anti-tank missiles.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 June 2020 08: 32 New
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    “Russians extinguish a fire with a cannon during the Cold War” - Western reaction to the personnel of the Russian Defense Ministry
    Yes, we can still fight snow avalanches with a hail of guns from WWII, and you? fool
    Western military almost everywhere stopped using these weapons decades ago, primarily in favor of guided anti-tank missiles.
    Have you read Khrushchev? fool
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 10 June 2020 08: 42 New
      15
      “Russians extinguish a fire with a cannon during the Cold War” - Western reaction to the personnel of the Russian Defense Ministry

      Good gun yes We are still using it both as an anti-tank gun and as a large "SVD".

      The only complaint is too jumping, and therefore traumatic. In addition, it requires fine-tuning, and often a complete reinstallation of the sight, after each shot.

    2. Bongo
      Bongo 10 June 2020 15: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Yes, we can still fight snow avalanches with a hail of guns from WWII, and you?

      In fairness, it is worth saying that in North America they began to use artillery to fight avalanches earlier than in our country.

      In particular, the 106-mm non-rollback in the USA was first installed on tracked conveyors in the late 1950s.
    3. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 10 June 2020 18: 05 New
      +2
      However, the use of a towed anti-tank gun for this purpose is something that only a relatively small number of countries, including Russia, can think of. Western military almost everywhere stopped using these weapons decades ago, primarily in favor of guided anti-tank missiles.

      How much does an ATGM rocket cost and how much does a shell cost from a warehouse? And this is our asymmetric response to the West!
      And gunners practice!
      1. Pike
        Pike 11 June 2020 07: 40 New
        0
        The cost of transportation did not add the cost of transportation. By plane from the Samara region, a trailer to the place. And the way back. Plus travel allowance calculation. )
        1. good
          good 12 June 2020 01: 10 New
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          It’s more expensive to drive a self-propelled gun, and even more so to bomb a plane.
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    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 10 June 2020 10: 19 New
      17
      Quote: KelWin
      Western military almost everywhere stopped using these weapons decades ago, primarily in favor of guided anti-tank missiles.

      I wonder what the "author" cares about?

      The author does not understand that when not only anti-tank missiles and factories, but even bed workshops, run out, this gun will still be in good condition, cheaply and reliably extinguish surviving adversaries
      1. Kelwin
        Kelwin 10 June 2020 14: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Olgovich
        this gun will still be in good condition, cheaply and reliably extinguishing surviving adversaries

        Andrei, there is an opinion that they will not even live up to a real understanding - first the Bosko will fly off, and then the remnants of the macaques will slide into the ditch ... bully
        1. DIM (a)
          DIM (a) 10 June 2020 23: 12 New
          0
          Cyril, you have a strange avatar, but if it reflects something, then it was these "nimble comrades" who were justly condemned from 1933 to 1938, for such provocative statements.
      2. Serg koma
        Serg koma 10 June 2020 15: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Olgovich
        The author does not understand

        "It is not the action that matters - the result is important" - this is to the Ftorahm from "The Drive" (the title of some time during the Cold War laughing ).

        And in general, "Was there a boy" referred to as "The Drive"? (pleasant viewing laughing )
        seemingly The Drive Magazine has nothing to do with the subject of artillery of the Russian Federation. There is an ECO The Drive! Magazine is an automotive magazine. And finally

        Author of the article
        “Russians extinguish a fire with a cannon during the Cold War” - Western reaction to the personnel of the Russian Defense Ministry
        WHERE did I get the information from, in which "Western press, including the US press", and which edition "The Drive"?
  3. Russobel
    Russobel 10 June 2020 08: 35 New
    +7
    No words, everything is beautiful and spectacular. But just do not understand put out a gun or not?
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 10 June 2020 08: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Russobel
      No words, everything is beautiful and spectacular. But just do not understand put out a gun or not?
      Watch less movies, read more. hi
      The Russian army used a 100-mm towed cannon from the Cold War to put out a fire at an oil well in Siberia. The access of oxygen to the well was blocked, which allowed to extinguish the flame.
      Cinema did not watch. And I understood everything. hi
      1. Russobel
        Russobel 10 June 2020 08: 41 New
        +7
        Ahhh, the movie is more interesting) laughing
    2. Kelwin
      Kelwin 10 June 2020 08: 41 New
      19
      Demolished the damaged fittings, it prevented the cap from being delivered. then put out.
      1. Russobel
        Russobel 11 June 2020 07: 14 New
        +1
        Demolished the damaged fittings, it prevented the cap from being delivered. then put out.

        This will be more true, but don’t watch a movie ...
    3. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 10 June 2020 09: 07 New
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      It would have been extinguished for a long time, but the stop valves remaining on the pipe of the well at the exit from the earth interfered. All extinguishing equipment works quickly and perfectly, but cranes and bends interfere. They put a cap with a tap on top of the fountain and then knock down the flame with water. Seal and jam the well. It was from this old but very accurate gun that all the valves of the shutoff valves had to be knocked down. With three shots, everything superfluous was removed, then the oil workers put out everything quickly.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 10 June 2020 09: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: seregatara1969
        It was from this old but very accurate gun that all the valves of the shutoff valves had to be knocked down. With three shots, everything superfluous was removed, then the oil workers put out everything quickly.

        In general, the message is new and unusual only in that when anti-tank was used to extinguish towed gun.

        Previously, at least in the USSR, such fires were extinguished (localized) by shots from a tank’s gun ...
      2. Pereira
        Pereira 10 June 2020 09: 28 New
        +4
        Advanced common people would use democratic "Javelins" for this.
        Expensive and hardly effective, but feng shui, kosher, and in light of recent events - niggerno.
      3. DMB_95
        DMB_95 10 June 2020 10: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: seregatara1969
        It would have been extinguished for a long time, but the stop valves remaining on the pipe of the well at the exit from the earth interfered. All extinguishing equipment works quickly and perfectly, but cranes and bends interfere. They put a cap with a tap on top of the fountain and then knock down the flame with water. Seal and jam the well. It was from this old but very accurate gun that all the valves of the shutoff valves had to be knocked down. With three shots, everything superfluous was removed, then the oil workers put out everything quickly.

        An American author would have thought it was an excerpt from some Nobel laureate's in-depth analysis of oil well fire suppression techniques. "The old Soviet cannon, the Cold War, aggressive Russians extinguish the fire" - from this the American blinded his article.
      4. aviator6768
        aviator6768 10 June 2020 13: 10 New
        +1
        Who remembers GP-7 (emnip) in Novy Urengoy? The Old Man participated in the boss, only they extinguished it with a direct explosion ... There was a glow - you can see in the city ...
    4. major147
      major147 10 June 2020 10: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Russobel
      But just do not understand put out a gun or not?

      In the summer of 2000, not far from the location of my unit on the border of Chechnya and Ingushetia, the bandits killed a well and could not put out the fire for a long time. If not mistaken, they put out a shot from the tank. Even Russian news talked about this.
      1. aviator6768
        aviator6768 10 June 2020 13: 12 New
        +1
        It was ... Rumors only, sort of from the no-recoil, not ...?
        1. major147
          major147 10 June 2020 15: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: aviator6768
          It was ... Rumors only, sort of from the no-recoil, not ...?

          How many years have passed, I remember badly. We Sernovodsk stood then.
    5. Bongo
      Bongo 10 June 2020 15: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Russobel
      No words, everything is beautiful and spectacular. But just do not understand put out a gun or not?

      This is not the first case of using MT-12 to extinguish a fire in a well.

      On August 26, 2013, a fire was extinguished at well No. P8 ​​U12 near Novy Urengoy with the help of an accurate shot with an UBK-23 shaped-charge projectile from the MT-1 Rapier cannon of the Yekaterinburg separate motorized rifle brigade of the Central Military District.
  4. user1212
    user1212 10 June 2020 08: 37 New
    +9
    Western military almost everywhere stopped using these weapons decades ago, primarily in favor of guided anti-tank missiles.
    Well, yes, this is written from a country where MBTs still do not have guided missiles, about a gun that has a guided missile and a radar sighting system ...
    1. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 10 June 2020 09: 08 New
      +4
      From this gun they get into a brick from 2000 meters into a dispute
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 10 June 2020 09: 36 New
      -1
      which has a guided missile and a radar sighting system ...

      How can they know about this? Yes and no reason.
      If it says "Cannon of the Cold War", then the phrase must be understood as follows - the cannon is very bad.
      The logical series is built like this:
      Cold war - old bad gun - the fire was not extinguished. And if they put out, they polluted nature, having committed a crime against humanity. The gun is just an excuse for another nasty thing.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 11 June 2020 20: 49 New
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        Quote: Pereira
        the phrase should be understood like this - the gun is very bad.
        Not bad, not democratic: every shot, even ricochet, kills the democrat.
  5. Sayan
    Sayan 10 June 2020 08: 37 New
    +9
    And what? - but cheap, reliable and practical hi
  6. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 10 June 2020 08: 39 New
    11
    It’s they who have not seen Kamaz with vertical take-off.
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 10 June 2020 08: 47 New
      +2
      Well, you didn’t fall, otherwise you’ll divorce the spies
      1. Ravil_Asnafovich
        Ravil_Asnafovich 10 June 2020 09: 11 New
        +3
        They will not survive there, especially in the area of ​​the hydroelectric power station, Kama is wide, the current is strong hi .
  7. Russobel
    Russobel 10 June 2020 08: 40 New
    +3
    With the help of the dropped bomb, as a result, it was possible to extinguish the forest fire, which was spreading in the direction of the military training ground.

    They are surprised ...
    Will show off we can put out a fire with a vigorous bomb at a military training ground. Brotherly.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 10 June 2020 08: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: Russobel
      With the help of the dropped bomb, as a result, it was possible to extinguish the forest fire, which was spreading in the direction of the military training ground.

      They are surprised ...
      Will show off we can put out a fire with a vigorous bomb at a military training ground. Brotherly.

      Envy. They are weak, they do not have such guns and gunners.
  8. ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF 10 June 2020 08: 43 New
    +5
    Though the cannon of 1812. Did you put out the fire? Put out. Aerial bombs are certainly more creative there, yeah.
    Western military almost everywhere stopped using these weapons decades ago, primarily in favor of guided anti-tank missiles.

    This is not an indicator - they have both stopped and will resume. It will light up next to some polygon and will be extinguished by everything than is possible.
  9. K-50
    K-50 10 June 2020 08: 45 New
    +4
    Western military almost everywhere stopped using these weapons decades ago, primarily in favor of guided anti-tank missiles.

    Well, apparently the "western countries" are so rich that they can afford to shoot gold. fellow lol
    The cost of a shot for the Rapier and guided missiles or GBU-49 is not at all comparable. fool
  10. stalki
    stalki 10 June 2020 08: 50 New
    +2
    Western military almost everywhere stopped using these weapons decades ago, primarily in favor of guided anti-tank missiles.
    let them put out expensive rockets lol in the country, any nail will come in handy. It is better to be "bunny" and have a bunch of options for every fireman than to have half as few.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 10 June 2020 10: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: stalki
      It is better to be "bunny" and have a bunch of options for every fireman than to have half as few.

      Here "for every fireman" also came in handy. Literally. laughing
  11. Torak
    Torak 10 June 2020 08: 57 New
    -21 qualifying.
    Yes, this is some kind of collective farm. As a result, they became disgraced and did not hit at all from any shot. There were many methods of extinguishing wells by explosions in the USSR. The simplest is that the rails were thrown to the hearth and a trolley loaded with the accurately calculated weight of explosives was thrust there. By the way, as far as I know, Pinocchio even had special charges to extinguish forest fires. Why TOS-1 is not used to extinguish forest fires with conventional shots, if there are no special ones now, I don’t understand.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 10 June 2020 09: 10 New
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      Quote: Torak
      Yes, this is some kind of collective farm. As a result, they became disgraced and did not hit at all with any shot.

      Where were they supposed to go? They had to demolish the fittings in order to push the cap. They demolished ...
      And the T-12 gun is just ... a large-caliber sniper. I repent, I’m crowing that out of her at the 1200 m training ground ...
      Faked. BOPS. And that she sat on the target. Moulineaux.
      Only do not tell Greta!
      1. Torak
        Torak 10 June 2020 21: 43 New
        0
        The fact of the matter is that no. It was possible to bring down the flame only by stopping the access of oxygen according to the article. There were only numerous misses in the shooting video
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 11 June 2020 20: 52 New
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        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Only do not tell Greta!
        ... but she cannot read, because does not go to school lol
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 10 June 2020 20: 04 New
      -1
      Use incendiary shells to extinguish fires? Yes you Nobel’s shining.
  12. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 10 June 2020 09: 16 New
    -7
    Such a cannon shot at Berlin ... In vain the gay men were so alarmed. Of course, they have their own values ​​and views, but history cannot be forgotten.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 10 June 2020 09: 35 New
      +6
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Such a gun shot at Berlin ...

      Why do you think so ?

      Smooth-bore anti-tank gun T-12 was adopted by the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR No. 749-311 of 19.07.1961/XNUMX/XNUMX. A modification МT-12, in 1970.

      Or is it written "just like that, for the sake of an accent"?
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 10 June 2020 09: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Such a cannon shot at Berlin ... In vain the gay men were so alarmed. Of course, they have their own values ​​and views, but history cannot be forgotten.

      Rapier Soviet post-war development! So they haven’t shot at Berlin yet !!! lol but if they strongly ask, we can, not only in Berlin and not necessarily from a cannon !!!
  13. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 10 June 2020 09: 17 New
    +7
    What's the matter? Comment, as I understand it, is neutral. Even with a touch of envy - they cut guns for scrap in their home, but we do not, and we use it quite inventively. To clean the well table from all fittings and other iron, leaving an even area with a sticking piece of pipe - an excellent result. The gunners worked for five points, the torch went into a framed extension pipe, everything is clear.
  14. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 10 June 2020 09: 17 New
    +3
    Well, stupid ...)))
    what's the difference what used if works? Gauges had to extinguish or ICBMs?))
  15. seagull
    seagull 10 June 2020 09: 18 New
    +7
    Something was not visible to extinguish fires in America, guided by anti-tank missiles, when the Negroes made a brawl ... They extinguished in the old fashioned way until it burned out ...
  16. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 June 2020 09: 27 New
    0
    However, the use of a towed anti-tank gun for this purpose - this is something only a relatively small number of countries can think of, including Russia
    I don’t understand, are they hinting at "backwardness" (they use missiles), or are they still witty (they themselves would not have thought of it)? You don’t understand these foreigners - they praise or, as some here, talk about the "collective farm". The main thing is that the goal is achieved, and it does not matter with an expensive rocket (bomb) or a penny shell. This is already information for them to think about.
  17. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 10 June 2020 10: 16 New
    +1
    Regarding the condescending tone of the Cold War cannon:
    The dagger is good for the one who has it, and bad for the one who does not have it ... at the right time.
  18. vadimtt
    vadimtt 10 June 2020 10: 41 New
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    They haven’t yet seen how, when extinguishing, Gazprom’s employees cut with laser (the same thing from the Cold War) the same reinforcement lol
  19. Doctor
    Doctor 10 June 2020 11: 34 New
    +2
    They were even put out by underground nuclear explosions.

    30.09.1966/XNUMX/XNUMX Urta-Bulak Uzbekistan
    21.05.1968 Pamuk Uzbekistan
    11.09.1972/XNUMX/XNUMX Crater Turkmenistan
    9.07.1972/XNUMX/XNUMX Torch KHARKOV!
  20. DominickS
    DominickS 10 June 2020 12: 26 New
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    However, the use of a towed anti-tank gun for this purpose is something that only a relatively small number of countries, including Russia, can think of. Western military almost everywhere stopped using these weapons decades ago, primarily in favor of guided anti-tank missiles.

    You read the Americans, so it seems that they and cockroaches only slap "Tomahawks".
  21. rotfuks
    rotfuks 10 June 2020 13: 10 New
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    I once drove used cars from Germany. From the southern region of Germany, Lake Constance region. There are many vineyards and orchards, and thunderclouds there are regularly fired from anti-aircraft guns. I managed to participate in the shooting. Known from the time of the Second World War, the anti-aircraft gun ahat aht stands on a hill between the gardens. The bombardment sector and altitude cannot be changed. The gun belongs to the collective farm there, but one peasant controls it. For each shot, the peasant paid 3 German marks for the money of that time. After firing the gun, it is necessary to clean and hand over the cartridges for inventory. All shooting in special helmets with noise protection, but after 20 shots I don’t feel like shooting, my head is cracking. So the tools for peaceful purposes are used everywhere.
  22. izGOI
    izGOI 11 June 2020 00: 14 New
    0
    The use of artillery to extinguish fires in oil wells is not new. In 1986, a cannon was used during a fire at the Tengiz field in Kazakhstan (I'm not sure what the Rapira is). The truth is useless, a very strong flame deflected the projectile. I do not know about other cases, I worked too little time in that office.
  23. shinobi
    shinobi 11 June 2020 11: 22 New
    0
    The American simply demonstrated his stupidity, complete ignorance of the issue and laziness. It is elementary to hammer a query into any search engine a matter of a minute. But no.
  24. georggy
    georggy 12 June 2020 08: 38 New
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    Drilled already and made from the Army Ministry of Emergencies,.