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What is a modern contractor: aspects and problems of the ongoing reform

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What is a modern contractor: aspects and problems of the ongoing reform

Recently, the topic of contract soldiers has somehow disappeared from the media. A few years ago, not a day passed that one of the journalists did not raise a topic in any way related to contract servicemen. Today, even in specialized publications, silence.


In conversations with current officers, a lot of problems come up. Officers complain about the low quality of training of subordinates, the low educational level, the unwillingness to adequately serve. Contractors themselves talk about problems with money allowance, with housing and other difficulties of military service, which force them to leave the army immediately after the end of the contract.

What is a modern contract soldier?


It is clear that since the beginning of the military reform, the Ministry of Defense has studied quite a lot of those who came to contract service. In different sources, the numbers are slightly different, but in general the difference is not significant.

So, a modern contractor is a native of a family of workers (more than 50%) or employees of the public sector (18%), living in a small town, having a secondary education, often raising in an incomplete or large family, or having a stepfather or stepmother (approximately every tenth) .

You can continue the description further. But what is written above is enough to understand the goals that a soldier or sergeant sets before himself. First of all, it is getting a profession, making good money and being able to live better than parents live. This is getting a living space in perspective. And the opportunity to continue education further.

By the way, education as a goal comes first only to a small part of the contractors. The fact is that the “triples” and “fours” in their certificates for the most part do not reflect the real level of knowledge. And the owners of these certificates know this.

A modern contractor is a typical representative of the Russian hinterland with a low standard of living. Residents of regional centers, not to mention Muscovites and Petersburgers, are rare among contract soldiers. This is connected, in my opinion, with great opportunities to realize themselves in civilian life.

On the motivation of military service


Oddly enough, but what many people talk about almost constantly, that is, high wages, is not the main thing for soldiers. The main thing is to serve the Motherland. Exactly. Soldiers and sergeants really want to serve. A stable and high salary is taken for granted. According to opinion polls, only 4% of contract soldiers regret their service. But if so, then why are there complaints from the officers?

Another figure that you can write about with pride. Two-thirds of contract soldiers are well aware and aware of the danger of military service. Moreover, they are ready for self-sacrifice. Participation in hostilities by the majority is perceived as an encouragement. Although material incentives play a role here.

The readiness indicators to participate in the defense of Russia and to participate in peacekeeping operations in other states vary very little. More than 80% of contractors are ready to defend their homeland from external enemies. About 80% are ready to participate in peacekeeping operations in other countries - however, financing is one of the main positions here.

Why are they leaving?


We have a strange situation in the work of military commissariats and military units. The military registration and enlistment offices need to fulfill the plan for the recruitment of contractors, units must fulfill the plan. For this they will ask from above. But for the fact that soldiers and sergeants do not enter into a second contract, they will not ask.

Just because the command of the unit correctly draws up the paper. And a completely different situation will turn out. The contractor no longer wants to serve in this unit, and the command of the unit does not want to enter into a second contract with a negligent soldier.

So why are they leaving? The reasons are called many. But we can distinguish several of the most typical. First of all, refusal to continue the service follows after the contractor feels the deterioration of his socio-economic and legal status.

Alas, this is a fairly common situation in the army. And it concerns almost all military personnel, be it an officer, ensign, sergeant or ordinary contractor. The imperfection of the legal base of military service under the contract has not yet been eliminated. "Military Review" wrote a lot about such things.

There are more “mundane” issues. Simply put, the failure of the state to fulfill its obligations. The government promised office housing - and so what? But nothing. There is no housing. Rent an apartment from private owners. Agree, for a young man who wants to create his own family, give birth to a child, arrange life, this is important.

No less important is the moral and psychological atmosphere in the unit. The ratio of commanders and commanders to the soldier. Conditions for recreation, leisure activities. Relations between military personnel outside a military unit. Very often, an ordinary contractor lives outside the army team. Officers and warrant officers are a rather closed caste and do not let rank-and-file sergeants into their circle.

What needs to be changed?


I will start with a description of the classic Soviet “demobilization” of the 70-80s. Just to remind you what he looked like then.

So, the military uniform is ideally “sutured” by the figure. On his shoulders shoulder straps of a sergeant with three “gold” metal straps and metal letters “SA”. Leather belt with a slightly bent buckle.

A set of badges on the chest. "Guard", "Excellent student of the Soviet Army", a classy specialist, warrior-athlete, sports category. The Airborne Forces and Marines added the "Excellent Paratrooper" after the "Guard".

If you think a little, this soldier is a living poster describing the priorities of all the soldiers of that time. He is a sergeant simply because the epaulette is "the most beautiful." Remember what tricks demobilization went to inscribe this title in a military ID? The sergeant rank was an important indicator that you had power in the army.

But the set of signs of soldierly prowess was an indicator that you did not beat the bastard in the army, but really served honestly and with dignity. And it was no less important than the military rank.

But back to the contractors. From childhood we were inspired with the Suvorov phrase: “That soldier who does not dream of becoming a general” is bad - like a dogma. However, the support of Suvorov himself in his victories was often precisely “bad soldiers” - veterans who had served for a quarter of a century and did not dream of being generals. They were soldiers!

Similarly, today. Yes, the contractor has the opportunity to receive education during the service period. Does he want this? Surely in the life of any officer there was a driver who needed to be kicked out of the park with a stick. Which was ready to repair his war machine, refuel, lubricate, clean, paint day and night. At the same time, he was not at all interested in the post of the commander of the department or the castle platoon.

Most contractors are about the same soldiers. They want to thoroughly know their military specialty. They are interested. But! What are the prospects of service for such a person? Alas, no. The position of the driver does not give growth prospects. By the way, this is also one of the reasons for the departure of soldiers and sergeants after the end of the contract.

It seems to me that in order to create prospects for contract soldiers, it is necessary to change our attitude to the sergeant rank. To get away from the fact that a sergeant must be a commander or chief. The "Soviet" attitude is outdated.

We are fixated on money. We will pay - they will serve. Will not! Today, a fairly large number of contractors simply do not want to improve their skills. Why strain? I am already a highly qualified specialist! ..

Change the contract system is necessary


Talking with contract soldiers, I came to a paradoxical, at first glance, conclusion. Most of them do not see their lives in the army. And they went to serve for purely pragmatic reasons. Earn money, solve a housing problem, get an education, assert oneself, etc. The army as an opportunity to solve personal problems for a relatively short period of time.

And therefore, until we make the contract soldiers choose the life of a professional military once and for all, the reform will not work. So, all the efforts of recent years will simply go into the sand.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 10 June 2020 06: 48 New
    +4
    I agree with the author. I myself occasionally run into former contract soldiers (get a job). The picture is described correctly.
    1. Finches
      Finches 10 June 2020 07: 03 New
      +7
      I, as a man who commanded various units and units, can express my point of view - the mentality of our military man has not changed - we are still the Soviet Army and mercenaries, and are perceived as mercenaries! A contract soldier, he perceives himself the same way - he worked his term and left ... There is no motivation, to lead one and create military teams, and serve others for the sake of the Motherland! For example, super-conscripts served for the sake of the Motherland, and a contract soldier serves for grandmothers, but the mentality is socialist in us - it means we must, and more often for the idea! A contract soldier does not want to work for an idea, he is no "lousy" conscript - he is the DOG of war! He does not want to maintain order, he will not perform the routine tasks of the service ... And then there is no war - but the parade ground needs revenge! Outsourcing died before he was born - and who will scrub the push in the barracks? laughing He wrote a little chaotically and incomprehensibly, but the point is that the problem of the Russian contractor lies in the deep mentality of our Russian people! Therefore, socialism is closer to us in spirit, and the army of conscripts is more ready! Something like this!
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 10 June 2020 07: 52 New
        14
        Quote: Finches
        The problem of the Russian contractor lies in the deep mentality of our Russian people!

        I do not agree with you in full.
        From my experience similar to yours, I will say that the problem is mainly not in mentality, but in bad organization of military service.
        The main principle that military service is a person’s life choice is not fully applied.
        Probably, it makes sense to accept only young children after contract service, and the full-time annual service itself can be done only in training centers and, possibly, for those who have the necessary specialty, in support units.
        The contractor should be able to grow in service. Immediately after the term of an ordinary soldier, after two or three years, the sergeant, with the appropriate training and ability, is an ensign or officer.
        Do not be afraid of the 40-year-old experienced company commanders, who grew up, as the father of General Denikin, from the rank and file. True, another question arises here: the junior officer is not a priest on duty at all, replacing a non-commissioned officer, but sometimes an ordinary soldier (an intelligent major on the barrier), as is often the case today, but a full-time commander-in-chief. And the scribes of major lieutenant colonels should not be, replace them with civilian reservists, warrant officers, especially in peacetime, and money com. units should receive more than a desk clerk. Then the reserve by age or length of service from the position of company commander will not painfully leave.
        In general, the service of a contract soldier is inseparable from the military service as such, and its problems concern all servicemen, and not only "double basses".
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 10 June 2020 09: 50 New
          +6
          Then the reserve by age or length of service from the position of company commander will not painfully leave.

          I agree with you. As it is customary for the Germans: if you are serving in a unit, you are fulfilling tasks that have a higher pension than that of a staff employee who does not leave the field. Not to mention all kinds of logistics.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 10 June 2020 09: 04 New
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        we are still the Soviet Army and mercenaries, and perceived - as mercenaries!

        And how did you treat the Soviet conscript? How about a "mercenary"?
        1. Finches
          Finches 10 June 2020 09: 10 New
          +2
          I’m sorry, you didn’t read my comment - everything is written there!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 10 June 2020 09: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: Finches
            I’m sorry, you didn’t read my comment - everything is written there!

            There is nonsense written.
            The modern contract soldier is not much different from the Soviet super-conscript. Is that not so keenly aware of its "exclusiveness". And steals less.
            1. Finches
              Finches 10 June 2020 09: 36 New
              +2
              They commanded a platoon, company, battalion ...? And I also served urgently! So there is nothing to compare! It may be nonsense, but this is my vision of the situation and you can’t change it in any way! hi
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 10 June 2020 11: 54 New
                +3
                Quote: Finches
                They commanded a platoon, company, battalion ...?

                No battalion, only NS. The platoon is small, after 3 weeks already the AI ​​of the battery commander

                Quote: Finches
                And I also served urgently!

                School on relax? Castle or foreman, + to the assessment for the bait, free access to the city, the attire is on duty at the checkpoint.


                Quote: Finches
                It may be nonsense, but this is my vision of the situation and you can’t change it in any way!

                "I stayed on extra-urgent as the head of the property warehouse of the RKhBZ. The fatherland of the rasshi ... damn it, to protect."
                laughing

                How many over-conscripts did you meet in the Soviet Army as commander of an infantry squad?
                1. Finches
                  Finches 10 June 2020 17: 30 New
                  0
                  No, at the college I was only in the first year on relaxation and foreman and castle commander, then on super slack - a free sergeant, and then, in my second year, I was demoted to a cadet and everything was fine! And he sat at the guardhouse and guarded the guardhouse ... laughing
        2. strannik1985
          strannik1985 10 June 2020 09: 23 New
          +3
          And what about the Soviet overdue?

          The funny thing is that a contract is also concluded with a military school cadet, only no one calls him a mercenary lol
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 10 June 2020 09: 28 New
            +6
            Quote: strannik1985
            The funny thing is that a contract is also concluded with a military school cadet, only no one calls him a mercenary

            And with the cadet, and with the ensign, and with the officer
            1. strannik1985
              strannik1985 10 June 2020 09: 31 New
              +5
              Horror of what's going on. It turns out that the entire command structure, except for the military service of urgent service - mercenaries! How are we in Chechnya, Georgia and even a bunch of places fought, they are only for money, unreliable ?!
          2. Finches
            Finches 10 June 2020 10: 01 New
            +2
            Because he is not perceived like that - a person becomes an officer consciously and evaluates service not through the material benefits of the contract (most often) - at least it used to be this way, but today they become a contractor from disorder and material problems on a civilian, and it’s very rare at the behest of the soul and hearts!
            1. strannik1985
              strannik1985 10 June 2020 15: 28 New
              +1
              Because he is not perceived like that - a person becomes an officer consciously and evaluates the service not through the material benefits of the contract

              Those. the desire to build a career is not a material good ???
      3. Alexander Samoilov
        Alexander Samoilov 10 June 2020 09: 37 New
        +3
        "They say that compulsory military service is a democratic institution. Yes, like a cemetery." M. London.
      4. Glory1974
        Glory1974 10 June 2020 10: 10 New
        +1
        the mentality of our military man has not changed - we are still the Soviet Army and mercenaries, and are perceived as mercenaries

        Under the USSR, a military man was like a royal recruit. If you joined the army, then you will serve 25 years. Dismissal only due to illness or crime. The contract made it possible to quit earlier if necessary, to choose a place of service, to recover in the army, etc. That is more freedom to a specific person. What does mercenary work have to do with it?
        You argue how in Chechnya where, the local population perceived double basses as mercenaries who came to rob. But then the military commissariats recruited people precisely for the war in Chechnya, namely for higher salaries. That is, the terrorists - propagandists had at least something to build on.
        In Karachay-Cherkessia, during the riots, the crowd yelled: “Don't touch the soldiers, they were sent by order, kill the riot police. Several soldiers were injured, and one riot policeman was beaten to death.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 10 June 2020 11: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: glory1974
          But then the military commissariats recruited people specifically for the war in Chechnya, namely for higher salaries

          Then they had a plan, and rowing anyone.
      5. Marine engineer
        Marine engineer 10 June 2020 10: 56 New
        -3
        ".... and the army from conscripts is more ready
        I agree. The psychology of a mercenary has not changed over the past 2–3 thousand years: “whoever pays the most will serve (the homeland is also there)”.
        A mercenary will not be able to fight a strong, motivated and technically equipped enemy for a long time, because he joined the army not for a hole in his head, but for money.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 10 June 2020 12: 40 New
          +4
          The psychology of a mercenary has not changed over the past 2–3 thousand years: “whoever pays the most will serve (the homeland is also there)”.

          That is, you assume that in case of war, if the enemy offers money, the contract soldiers will go to serve the enemy, and conscripts will remain?
          1. Marine engineer
            Marine engineer 10 June 2020 16: 54 New
            -4
            The army of mercenaries will always lose to the army upon conscription (subject to comparable technical equipment, material support and combat training). The mercenary will not fight "to the last." They will go over to the enemy’s side, flee, evade battle, the history of wars says that there are many options for mercenaries.
            A mercenary is a "merchant." And for the trader, the main thing is not victory, the main thing is profit. And what can be more profitable for a mercenary to preserve his own life.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 10 June 2020 17: 36 New
              +4
              Quote: Marine Engineer
              The mercenary will not fight "to the last."

              More as it will be. Remember Sergeants Shugart and Gordon
              1. Marine engineer
                Marine engineer 10 June 2020 19: 43 New
                -1
                Shugart and Gordon are members of the American Delta Special Forces, not regular infantry. With the help of psychologists, tests, you can "sift" and select such soldiers for special forces, but you won’t squeeze out a large percentage.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 10 June 2020 19: 47 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Marine Engineer
                  Shugart and Gordon are members of the U.S. Special Forces Delta,

                  .... and the most mercenary.
                  А
                  Quote: Marine Engineer
                  The mercenary will not fight "to the last." They will go over to the enemy’s side, flee, evade battle, the history of wars says that there are many options for mercenaries.
                  A mercenary is a "merchant." And for the trader, the main thing is not victory, the main thing is profit. And what can be more profitable for a mercenary to preserve his own life.
                  1. Marine engineer
                    Marine engineer 10 June 2020 20: 07 New
                    0
                    Single examples only confirms the rule.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 10 June 2020 20: 09 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Marine Engineer
                      Single examples only confirms the rule.

                      Well, prove it. that they are "single"
                      And the infantry en masse passes to the side of the enemy.
                      Here, for example, how many former American soldiers are among the Taliban? 90 percent?
                      1. Marine engineer
                        Marine engineer 10 June 2020 20: 35 New
                        -1
                        I suggest you, for starters, to talk about the mass heroism of mercenaries - Americans or someone else in battles with the natives, who have neither aviation, nor artillery, nor air defense.
                        About the Taliban, smiled.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 10 June 2020 20: 37 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Marine Engineer
                        I suggest you, for starters, to talk about mass heroism

                        What for?
                        Is that really my hatred?
                        You wrote,
                        Quote: Marine Engineer
                        The mercenary will not fight "to the last." They will go over to the enemy’s side, flee, evade battle, the history of wars says that there are many options for mercenaries.

                        But they could not confirm this thesis with any examples.
                      3. Marine engineer
                        Marine engineer 10 June 2020 21: 20 New
                        0
                        Then, that you are trying to pass off mercenaryism for virtue.
                        And the examples that you can’t rely on mercenaries in the fight against a strong, tough opponent are full in the history of wars (it is written in a comment about this).
                      4. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 10 June 2020 21: 28 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Marine Engineer
                        Then, that you are trying to pass off mercenaryism for virtue.

                        Then, that you absolutely do not know what "mercenary" is
                        It is time.
                        And then, that you by no means can confirm your theses with facts.
                        These are two

                        Quote: Marine Engineer
                        And the examples that you can’t rely on mercenaries in the fight against a strong, tough opponent are full in the history of wars

                        Well, bring them, these examples.
      6. Nehist
        Nehist 10 June 2020 23: 26 New
        +1
        Um, I advise you to recall the Swiss, Spanish third and finally Landsknecht. Typical mercenaries. And if the employer performed his duties to them, then there were no cases of betrayal
      7. Glory1974
        Glory1974 11 June 2020 08: 34 New
        0
        The army of mercenaries will always lose the army at the call

        You don’t understand who the mercenaries are. According to your words, it turns out that the conscript who has remained to serve on the contract is a mercenary. But this is obvious nonsense.
        So we can say that all officers and warrant officers are mercenaries.
        But was the Soviet army also hired? They paid money to the soldiers, but 3 rubles. Cheap hired army?
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 10 June 2020 10: 01 New
    +2
    All contract soldiers in our HF, with the exception of one local, were from rural areas, with a maximum of technical knowledge. But after a year and a half of diligent service, they turned into good-quality military personnel. And with the local "campaigner" from the city there were only problems. The guy is smart, but laziness and indifference spoiled everything. Rural children serve honestly and conscientiously, also because they did not have time to get corrupted from city life, and yet the service for them is to become a Human. And for the townspeople it is like a duty, a punishment.
    1. starpom
      starpom 10 June 2020 11: 09 New
      +5
      Quote: Doccor18
      All the contractors in our high school, with the exception of one local, were from the countryside, with a maximum of knowledge.


      To discharge

      Marine letter to parents

      Dear Mom and Dad.

      I'm fine, I hope you do too. Tell my brothers that serving in the Marine Corps is much more interesting than in our village. Let them rather go to serve.

      Rise here at 6 in the morning. It was hard at first, but I almost like getting up so late. Tell Sasha and Kolka that before breakfast you just need to fill up the bed and put things in order - no need to feed the cattle, chop wood, light the stove, cook food. Almost nothing! There is hot water.

      For breakfast they give a lot of tasty things - juice, porridge, butter, stew - but there is no normal food - fresh meat and real milk, so I do not always get enough. But you can always sit between two city guys who drink only coffee. Their servings and mine are enough before lunch. Therefore, the city is so weak!

      And there are also "march-throws." The sergeant says it's for training. Since he thinks so, then I do not mind. A “throw march” is about the same as in our home from the store. After that, the city guys fall with their legs worn off, and we are driven back in the truck. The terrain here is not bad, but too flat.

      A sergeant is about like a teacher at school, sometimes grumbling. The captain is the principal of the school. Majors and colonels are mostly busy with their own affairs and do not touch us.

      Sasha and Kolka will die laughing, but I'm the best shooter here. I don’t know why - targets are almost the size of a wolf, but they don’t run. All you need to do is get comfortable and shoot! It’s not even necessary to stuff cartridges with gunpowder and shots - they are delivered ready-made.

      Let Sasha and Kolka hurry until no one knows what a freebie is here!

      PS By the way - I am sending you 5000 rubles to repair the barn and mom's teeth.
      Your daughter Barbara.
      wink wink wink
      1. tatarin1972
        tatarin1972 10 June 2020 16: 23 New
        0
        You probably forgot- And yesterday there was a storm at sea, so the waves were higher than our village council!
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 10 June 2020 06: 54 New
    -6
    The contractor is more human, who goes to the contract in order to receive a stable salary. Get a loan or a mortgage.
    These are essentially mercenaries who will not stand "near Moscow" because they were initially interested in money in the service.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 10 June 2020 09: 10 New
      +7
      Quote: Gardamir
      These are essentially mercenaries who will not stand "near Moscow" because they were initially interested in money in the service.

      They stood, they died ...
      But any m..z is ready to pour their mud for the sake of a red phrase.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 10 June 2020 12: 15 New
        -3
        Are you talking about contractors?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 10 June 2020 14: 47 New
          +3
          This is me about you.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 10 June 2020 15: 02 New
            -4
            This is me about you
            And you will not even be banned, will not be deprived of the rank of commentator? I wrote, about the fact that mercenaries, people going to serve for money, as our ancestors fought. And you all perfectly understood, but twisted and spat out personal hatred for me. Now they are discussing Efremov, so nothing will happen to you either. You are the chosen one
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 10 June 2020 15: 19 New
              +7
              Quote: Gardamir
              And you will not even be banned, will not be deprived of the rank of commentator?

              For what?
              For calling you who you are?
              But that’s why they don’t ban people like you, watering those who honestly served and serve in the RF Armed Forces — honestly, it’s very strange for me.

              Quote: Gardamir
              I wrote, about the fact that mercenaries, people going to serve for money, as our ancestors fought

              Here, for example, the sergeant Komyagin AB, who died on March 1, 2000, the commander of a platoon of the 6th company 104 pdp, is a hero.
              But the gentleman "Gardamir", who did nothing of the kind, but on the other hand declared from the sofa that such as Guards Sergeant Komyagin, I quote, "in fact mercenaries who will not stand "near Moscow" because they were initially interested in money in the service"common vile.

              From such things ...
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 10 June 2020 17: 36 New
                -6
                For calling you who you are?
                and if I call you what you are. Especially turn around like a frying pan.
                And the exception only confirms the rule.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 10 June 2020 18: 06 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  And the exception only confirms the rule.

                  Here, for example, the ordinary contract service Abdulin. Being wounded, a knocked out tank, firing at the peacekeeping unit. Hero of Russia posthumously.
                  According to Mr. Gardamira "in fact, a mercenary who will not stand "near Moscow" because initially in the service he was interested in moneyMr. Gardamir is sure that 20-year-old Raushan Abdullin sacrificed his life for his comrades solely for money.

                  And here is another list of "exceptions" https://sites.google.com/site/afivedaywar/Home/losslist
                  Of the 37 soldiers and sergeants of contract service who died in South Ossetia.
                  37 of the 64 dead are contract soldiers. Except for the officers and warrant officers who served under the contract.
                  Mr. Gardamir is sure that all the dead- "in fact mercenaries who will not stand "near Moscow" because they were initially interested in money in the service"

                  Here is another "exception", Tasbolat Ibrashev. Contractor 70th rifle regiment of the 42 division.

                  Probably, Mr. Gardamir is sure that the photo clearly indicates that Ibrashev- "in fact, a mercenary who will not stand "near Moscow" because initially in the service he was interested in money"



                  Quote: Gardamir
                  and if I call you what you are.

                  By man. Unlike you.
                  A man who does not pour mud on those who served and serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
  • Owl
    Owl 10 June 2020 07: 00 New
    +9
    Contractual service in the armed forces is not a "social lift", it is just an attempt to get time to settle in more "comfortable conditions for existence", after fixing in a "new place" (starting a family, finding housing and finding a higher-paying job), a dismissal occurs from the ranks of the Armed Forces. Many "contract workers" come from rural areas or from small settlements, where production is dying and it is difficult to find work.
  • zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 10 June 2020 07: 19 New
    +3
    There is no doubt that this article is topical. But what does she do in the "weaponry"? request
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 10 June 2020 07: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: zyablik.olga
      There is no doubt that this article is topical. But what does she do in the "Armament" section?

      The article is in the "Army of Russia" section. And this section is one of several parts of the "Armament" section.

  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 10 June 2020 07: 43 New
    +3
    Largely agrees with the author, but what does he specifically suggest? Nothing but
    , in order to create prospects for contractors it is necessary to change our attitude to the sergeant rank. To get away from the fact that a sergeant must be a commander or chief.
    , i.e. promotions in spite of the position (as it used to be for the purpose of promotion and distinction in service - when I was a commander of the platoon (03-05) I had two drivers - junior sergeants and the head of the radio station - private (at the beginning) without training I think that those who care for the cause and are inclined towards leadership should be sent to military schools out of competition. It’s another matter how to organize the honesty of such a selection - you won’t get by the characteristics of a psychologist and commander. And further
    . Officers and warrant officers are a rather closed caste and do not let ordinary and sergeants into their circle
    For one hundred percent, this only works with respect to conscripts, when a contractor, it’s not always, and if the contractor is already quite mature and has served a number of people, then almost never (I don’t take relations with fighters together, this is a separate issue and everything is different there)
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 10 June 2020 08: 44 New
      -1
      So this problem is solved by increasing the number of soldiers ranks.

      Now we have only an ordinary and a corporal - just for a two-year (Urgent) service, where someone will be promoted, but someone will not.

      In the United States, the ranks before the sergeant, in my opinion, are four - just for the five to seven years of the contract. Particularly stupid ones end their sentences as corporal, and those who are smarter go on promotion to sergeants (there are six of them again).
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 10 June 2020 09: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        So this problem is solved by increasing the number of soldiers ranks

        Produce meaningless stripes and stripes? It is better to give the most striving for military service an opportunity for a real career. And the American system of ranks and duties of junior staff is too different to be implemented here painlessly. They are trying to do this in Ukraine, we will see for the results, but I think it will end up with nothing and purely external attributes, with the addition of confusion and confusion from unnecessary "steps"
        1. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 10 June 2020 11: 21 New
          +1
          Why then pointless? There are nine fighters per squad leader. One out of nine will replace the commander. And where else to grow?

          Yes, they can improve their skills, master new ones (medicine, repair of equipment, one-time RPGs), improve their physical condition, for which they can get new levels. But all eight will not become commanders.

          Equally the same sergeants (lumps), there are 3-4 of them per platoon. Well and so on.


          And here we either act in a Napoleonic way, chasing all officers without exception through soldier sergeants-foremen, and simply dismissing those who have ended the contract and have no recommendations for increase, or we initially create “vacancies” with different requirements and prepare from scratch (from 18 years old) and soldiers, and ensigns, and lieutenants.
        2. KVIRTU
          KVIRTU 19 June 2020 12: 13 New
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          They have an ordinary person divided into 7 categories. The helicopter's flight technician, for example, an ordinary 4 class. They teach him a year in training on standard programs in aviation, receive a national diploma, and knows who will work in retirement.
      2. Glory1974
        Glory1974 10 June 2020 09: 48 New
        +8
        this problem is being solved by increasing the number of soldier ranks.

        It is not necessary to increase the number of titles, but to increase the gradation of class. Such a system is accepted in the American army.
        Maybe one soldier doesn’t aspire anywhere, doesn’t study anything additionally, he has the appropriate class and salary. Another soldier studies additional subjects, works out additional standards. His class and salary are growing, and as a result, the salary of two identical soldiers can differ by 2 times.
        Stimulus on the face.
        1. KVU-NSVD
          KVU-NSVD 10 June 2020 11: 43 New
          +5
          I agree, I would add a system of surcharges for the development and regular confirmation of related military specialties, and the size of these surcharges can be used to regulate such voluntary retraining in the direction of the necessary specialties in the particular kind of troops and even in the specific part where the soldier serves.
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 10 June 2020 12: 48 New
            +1
            when Serdyukov tried to introduce something similar, but did not have time.
            The idea was for a soldier to get the skills necessary for a particular position, and to choose from the best.
            In the USA, a platoon commander must successfully complete a number of courses in order to become a company commander. For example: "company management in urban combat", "Operations tactics in the forest, mountains", etc. Completed all the necessary courses, you are considered for the position, if you are the best, they are appointed. If you want to advance, complete more courses with a maximum score. You will not "lie" in the position of success.
        2. tatarin1972
          tatarin1972 10 June 2020 16: 30 New
          0
          So the class is there, or was it canceled? Previously, specialists of the 3rd grade came from training units, and for the remaining one and a half years of service they could raise it to grade 1. A long-term employee could grow to the "Master".
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 11 June 2020 08: 30 New
            0
            is there a class, or was it canceled?

            There is coolness, but its gradation is not enough.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 10 June 2020 07: 48 New
    +2
    A person after 30 years of age loses his physical form, physical strength can remain at the young level, or it can grow, but endurance decreases, even if it is cracked. Age-based athletes keep fit through individual workouts and diets. Somehow I can hardly imagine a forty-year-old infantryman making a 15-kilometer march throw, it’s hard.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 10 June 2020 08: 31 New
      +1
      You mixed up .. what decreases with age is speed .. and strength, subject to constant training, is growing ..
    2. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 10 June 2020 08: 39 New
      +1
      It must be understood that another in forty years will be more enduring than another in eighteen. For this, there are standards that would weed out those who can no longer cope.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 10 June 2020 11: 44 New
        +2
        From virtually any 18 year old kid, with proper nutrition and training, after six months you can make a very normal and hardy fighter .. I was 17-20 years old calmly ran 10 km with white belorina in my mouth. I smoked like a steam locomotive and it did not bother me. And forty-year-olds, with the endurance of young boys, well, maybe there are some, but they are few. And what should the contractor do after 10 years of service? If health does not go away. The guy is 30 years old, what should he do? Let's say a driver, a tractor driver. But universities are closed. Yes, and one can study at this age.
        1. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 10 June 2020 12: 17 New
          0
          Why is a tractor driver a university? Those who go to the contract are mainly those who do not pull the university.
          1. Free wind
            Free wind 11 June 2020 08: 09 New
            -2
            There are war fans who love and want to fight.
            1. Sancho_SP
              Sancho_SP 11 June 2020 08: 56 New
              0
              And do you propose to orient the system of formation of contractors to these fans?
        2. Marine engineer
          Marine engineer 10 June 2020 16: 23 New
          +1
          “And forty-year-olds, with the endurance of young boys, well, maybe there are some, but they are few.”

          At twenty years old he could walk (run) as much as needed, and then as much as ordered. After forty this will not work.
      2. Marine engineer
        Marine engineer 10 June 2020 16: 13 New
        0
        “..... another in forty years will be more enduring than another in eighteen”

        Will be, only with the help of "magic" pills.
    3. Marine engineer
      Marine engineer 10 June 2020 11: 02 New
      0
      “War, the lot of the young” (c)
      I don’t remember who said it.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 10 June 2020 11: 10 New
        0
        On a vskidku, at V Tsoi. "A Star Called The Sun". War is a matter of young people ...
      2. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 10 June 2020 11: 23 New
        -1
        That is due to stupidity done. An adult will not go to cook for free in the boiler for the Fuhrer / Homeland / Abramovich’s yacht.

        If we are talking about a professional hired army (or even an expeditionary force), where the salary is high and the mortality rate is low, calm, mature men with experience will go there.
    4. Alekseev
      Alekseev 11 June 2020 07: 36 New
      0
      "People after 30 years lose their physical shape '
      That's right!
      But the military unit in the infantry (and not only) should, by virtue of its military profession, not lose shape much, they should train it. This is far from news.
      See Suvorov Crossing the Alps.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 10 June 2020 08: 38 New
    0
    The author contradicts something to himself. They serve for money, then for patriotism.

    The army is the same job as, for example, a factory. The factory also has workers, there are craftsmen, there are bosses. Not every worker will become a master, not every master will be the head of a workshop, etc. And they go to this plant more often than not for the love of turning a small blank out of a big blank, but for a stable salary (sometimes the only one in the city).

    And contract soldiers are fleeing the army because agitation is different from reality. They promise more money than they pay. In any large city in a private security company they pay more than in the army. And responsibility and stress are incomparably less.

    Well, do not forget that a person who agrees to work for 25-30 thousand rubles from adulthood to retirement is, as it were, to put it mildly, a person without ambition and intelligence.
    1. Slavs
      Slavs 10 June 2020 09: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      Army - the same work as, for example, a factory

      To think in this vein is a big mistake made by signing a contract.
      Anyone who has signed a contract can become a serviceman, but not a military man ...
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 10 June 2020 11: 32 New
        0
        The military is not a profession. This is a sexual orientation.

        But seriously - first you need to properly set the task for the army, and then already want something from it.

        Our army (acting) is doing what? In peacetime, it does not protect anyone, so you can highlight the following functions:

        1. Preparation of a mobilization reserve in case of a big war (Just in case). Here, in general, everything is clear, even it is clear why urgent service is needed. But for this you do not need to keep a million under arms.

        2. The solution of military-political problems outside the territory of states. Read the expeditionary force. Here the use of draftees is wild game.

        3. The suppression of internal uprisings, the terror of the population. Here, as it were, without comment.

        And what are the goals of the Russian army?
        1. Slavs
          Slavs 10 June 2020 13: 28 New
          0
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          And what are the goals of the Russian army?

          First we read the history books, then we evaluate the geopolitical situation today.
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          3. The suppression of internal uprisings, the terror of the population. Here, as it were, without comment.

          This is to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, not to the Ministry of Defense.
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          2. The solution of military-political problems outside the territory of states

          This was and is being decided by the special services. Recently, PMCs.
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          1. Preparation of a mobilization reserve in case of a big war (Just in case). Here, in general, everything is clear, even it is clear why urgent service is needed. But for this you do not need to keep a million under arms.

          Given the number of people and the area of ​​the territory of thousands of people, there will not be enough personnel ...
          A urgent service is needed. My opinion, I do not impose.
          1. Marine engineer
            Marine engineer 10 June 2020 16: 26 New
            +1
            “And urgent service is needed. My opinion, I’m not imposing it. ”

            And mine too.
          2. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 10 June 2020 19: 18 New
            0
            And what is the logical connection between the lack of tyschenka and the need for urgent service?

            You can call as many people as you want on the contract and prepare as many reservists as you can with completely market-based methods, without corvee.
            1. Slavs
              Slavs 11 June 2020 10: 05 New
              0
              Quote: Sancho_SP
              And what is the logical connection between the lack of tyschenka and the need for urgent service?

              Back to your comment ...
              Quote: Sancho_SP
              But for this you do not need to keep a million under arms.

              Answered:

              Quote: Slavs
              Given the number of people and the area of ​​the territory of thousands of people, there will not be enough personnel ...

              Now I'm interested in your logic:
              Quote: Sancho_SP
              One can call for a contract as many people as you like

              What does the call for a contract look like ??
              Quote: Sancho_SP
              prepare as many reservists as possible by completely market methods

              Please list market preparation methods.
        2. vVvAD
          vVvAD 11 June 2020 00: 58 New
          0
          4. Assistance in eliminating the consequences of technological disasters and natural disasters. Organization of evacuation of the population and ensuring order in these territories.
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 11 June 2020 07: 30 New
            0
            Do not you think that it would be better to deal with all this with the personnel fighters of the Ministry of Emergencies, and not with recruits?
            1. vVvAD
              vVvAD 11 June 2020 17: 01 New
              0
              In general, yes. But disasters are different.
              In this sense, the army has several advantages over the Ministry of Emergencies: a larger staff (in the event of a major catastrophe, the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Russian Guard are simply drowned out) and the presence of engineering and communications troops, imprisoned for their functions, and God forbid, as imprisoned.
              Well, sometimes specific means are needed that are not available in the Ministry of Emergencies. For example, the recent extinguishing of a week of a burning torch at Norilsk Nickel with a military weapon in balance with the Moscow Region with military BP or urgently deliver humanitarian aid on board the BTA, etc.
    2. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 19 June 2020 17: 44 New
      0
      You, apparently, have not passed through the checkpoint for a long time :) I’ll say about RTV, yes, the first 5 years that I’m a lieutenant, a contractor, in a black body. All bonuses in 10 years appear. Contractors by that time with class, secret, for the database, for the physico (up to 10 per month) receive the minesweeper. Well, imagine, in the outback, family, husband, wife on a contract, 80 per month. Separately, they stand in RUZHO on an apartment, everyone is dripping money, a pension is earned.
      In short, the topic of the article was not disclosed, to whom the daughter of an officer told someone about some reforms.
      1. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU 19 June 2020 18: 04 New
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        I forgot, what’s still annoying, they say officers complain about bad contractors. Yes, about 15 years no one has sent them to the unit, they are campaigning on the conscripts' places. Whom to agitate with that and serve, there is nothing to cry.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 10 June 2020 08: 38 New
    +3
    Residents of regional centers, not to mention Muscovites and Petersburgers, are rare among contract soldiers.
    In my time, Muscovites and Petrograd residents also went to military schools, and in general the urban ones did not go very well, but the village ones went "rampant", especially from "not certified" areas. Where I had to study, out of 45 cadets, only 8 were urban. But they taught well in the countryside, and the people were physically strong, accustomed to work from childhood, and satisfied with the cadet boiler allowance (1 ruble 20 kopecks per person) in the combined-arms schools, this amount was less. And our love for the Motherland and service in the Army was absorbed with our mother's milk. Many remember how in the villages of that time they were escorted to the army, and how they met vacationers, especially naval ones, cadets spoke in their schools in front of their fellow villagers, in schools there were photos of those who graduated from military schools. But it was in another country, and how now I do not know.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 10 June 2020 08: 46 New
    -1
    feel the difference...
    the conscript goes under compulsion (a slave is not a pilgrim) ... a contract soldier - of his own free will ... hence the attitude to the service ...
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 10 June 2020 09: 35 New
    0
    IMHO. I often visit the provinces (Russian North). Noticed. In the 90s - beginning of the 2000s, all the streets of provincial and not only cities were hung with advertising services for the contract. There really were lines. For nowhere else. Now there is less visual agitation and young people tend to be more in business. Yes, and some kind of production appeared on the ground. The average salary of line personnel in the regions, although it causes a grin in the Moscow region, allows us not to survive in local realities. Children on the streets (not only in summer). New (not premium) cars, quadrics, tractors, snowmobiles ... Perhaps this is the reason. CSKA need to do a motivation system. It’s just that money is no longer rolling.
  • Avior
    Avior 10 June 2020 09: 44 New
    0
    from the experience of my Soviet still service, I’ll say that the over-conscript was usually a person who did not know what to do after the term.
    then, as a rule, they were divided into three groups — those who served a term, left, those who did not know what to do, remained and went with the flow — this is a smaller group, and those who expected to continue to serve went to an extramural college or Institute, rather a technical school, since the ensign is a stable position that could last a long time.
    As for career growth, I would not exaggerate its importance.
    in civilian life, a person works calmly all his life as a driver and does not worry that he will not become the head of a motorcade.
    Another thing is that in the army such a stable lower level is the ensign.
    And an over-conscript, if we take the analogy in civilian terms, is rather a handyman, someone who is no longer fit or thinks that he is not fit will work on such a job, the rest will try to get to where they lift less burdens and pay higher.
    I understand that in the army, an over-conscript may be a specialist, but the army has its own specifics.
    As for the motivation - to defend the homeland, I honestly don’t remember anyone mentioning this, it never came into conversation.
    It serves better and more actively than others - or just a person who cannot do bad things, or for some reason he needs it — to get a convenient position or get a referral to the academy.
    And about the growth of ranks without the growth of position, this could be seen in the air regiments, it looked especially comical when sometimes a small number of soldiers were attached at work, and starlings with captains cleared the area from snow in front of the headquarters, and I saw that.
    I think that it is more important to preserve the contractors to create conditions for a stable position that are not related to career growth — either salary, or conditions of service, or benefits, or attitude, but rather all together.
  • Alexander Samoilov
    Alexander Samoilov 10 June 2020 09: 53 New
    +3
    Socialism is long over and only money can keep a contractor. The salary should increase with the length of service, as in the Foreign Legion. The pension subsidy is really sufficient to buy good housing. Then there will be no flow.
    1. raif
      raif 10 June 2020 22: 27 New
      0
      Why come up with any subsidies?
      in my unit, all contract soldiers and warrant officers sold a military mortgage by purchasing apartments in St. Petersburg. no need to produce entities, the program works!
      1. Alexander Samoilov
        Alexander Samoilov 13 June 2020 06: 27 New
        0
        You mean in the suburbs of St. Petersburg? Since the 3 million they could get over the past 20 years, in St. Petersburg itself you can only buy a doghouse. An odnushka in a new building is not a home for a family. Although, if they stole ... As the old soldier's saying goes: "Half a year of commissary and you can shoot without trial."
        1. raif
          raif 15 June 2020 00: 59 New
          0
          no one stole anything - we have no capters or storekeepers, so don’t equate people by yourself. Yes, in the suburb of Gorelovo, Devyatkino, apartments are taken in a new building, not the center, of course. but I bought one from the Obvodny Canal metro station for 4.200.000. and by the way, the indexation of the monthly payment is carried out, for 20 years you can collect 4 million 800 thousand - for information. and an apartment can be taken after 4 years of service, taking into account the "deadline", if there are options
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 10 June 2020 09: 59 New
    +1
    And therefore, until we make the contract soldiers choose the life of a professional military once and for all, the reform will not work. So, all the efforts of recent years will simply go into the sand.

    The conclusion from the article is correct. And this allows us to analyze the actions of our leaders.
    To say that they are fools is impossible, which means they know what they are doing. And everything is done to ensure that the contractor in the army lasts 6-9 years (2-3 contracts) and quits. Then he was not entitled to benefits, pensions, housing.
    If you need to hold longer, then they will take action and keep.
    At one time I served in a large city (2008-2009), recruited more than 20 contractors to the unit.
    All privileges were granted to them after the conclusion of the 2nd contract. On the 2nd contract, 4-5 people remained, on the 3rd 1 sergeant, who still serves, he bought an apartment on a mortgage, etc. He will last at least 45 years old.
    Approximately the same picture when he served in the Caucasus. the bulk of 5-6 years served and quit. The bulk of the benefits remained unclaimed, including the possibility of preferential admission to a civilian university.
    1. raif
      raif 10 June 2020 22: 30 New
      0
      at the same time - service in Chebarkul. "contract" division, 95% consisting of former "conscripts" - these are for one contract, well at least there were a lot of them.
      half of those arriving from the military enlistment offices scattered during the first months of service. there are only a few specialists who arrived at an existing similar position (who were former signalmen and again became them, for example).
  • Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 10 June 2020 11: 20 New
    +3
    Hello.
    It seems that contracted service in the ranks of the rank and file and sergeant should be carried out in positions requiring special professional training. That is, in those cases when a soldier, before taking up duties, must successfully master a multi-month course of narrow professional training, preferably adjacent to his civilian specialty. Accordingly, the salary of such a contractor should be such as to keep a person in the military service for 2 or more contracts. And also the contractor should have opportunities for fairly quick promotion in sergeant posts and in higher military schools and academies for the subsequent assignment of officer ranks and posts to him.

    At the same time, I believe that the refusal of the conscription service in the medium term is undesirable in view of the mass of circumstances. And the service of such privates should go to motorized rifle units and guard units, where training does not exceed 3-6 months. At the same time, the sewage service should also be paid in the amount of at least 2-4 minimum wages (depending on the specifics of the service) and the duration of at least 2 years, and preferably 3 years.

    Of course, such measures will lead to a significant increase in defense spending. And in the current economic situation, this will entail cost cuts for some stupid article of the consolidated budget, of which the main point in senselessness is professional sports and university science (as a person who is relevant to this, I justifiably say). I note that the cost of maintaining personnel as a rule does not exceed 15-20% of the total amount of defense spending. That is, the increase in material content of both contractors and conscripts will not lead to the ruin of the state. the budget.

    The creation of a motivated (not only in money) serviceman of ordinary and sergeant composition will dramatically improve the quality of tactical, fire, physical training and possession of the materiel. And now, military service is more like a pioneer camp. Is such an army able to withstand the Americans with a real battlefield? Of course not. Only the SNF saves us for some time.

    But in general, the article poses problems correctly, although the solutions proposed by the author need to be discussed.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 10 June 2020 14: 16 New
    +2
    The question is, what, in essence, is an expensive question for us, as always, they want to solve for nothing, or even with fat for the participants of the process ....
    I saw the formation of this process more than 25 years ago: then it was decided to enrich 201 MSD with contract soldiers. The recruiting offices of candidates were "selected" throughout the country, it was a period of mass impoverishment and non-payment of salaries at enterprises, MMM and other delights, so the military registration and enlistment offices did not experience difficulties here ... The impression that they took everyone who came.
    Some of the candidates still could not stand the gathering road (they could not come to the gathering place, get drunk until they lose their sense of humor, or put on a lot of cigarettes to green foam). The rest was brought at the expense of the state to Tajikistan. About 149 people were brought to us in the 300th regiment in Kulyab in one batch, of which the regiment commander, after an interview, sent back 240-260 for complete apparent unsuitability for service. There were obvious downs, people with an alcoholic breakdown of the personality (I think everyone saw such faces - you can’t confuse them), repeat offenders who saw only their guards or escort machine guns, sometimes wanted persons and other near-scientific public - people, that is, their cut somewhere then near the bottom mud, so to speak ...
    Of the remaining 40-50 in the next week or decade, another 20-30 disappeared, according to all kinds of flights: drug trafficking, robbed civilians, inflicted TVZ on booze to each other, some fell ill with jaundice, after which it was impossible to stay in this region for medical reasons.
    That is, out of 300 carefully selected and brought in, uniforms and shod soldiers, about 20 remained in the ranks, of which 10-15 quickly realized that they had been fooled about money and other tasty things, and therefore they were urgently dismissed either by flight or simply not returning from the first same vacation ...
    As a result, 5-10 contract soldiers remained, spread over the regiment’s divisions, for various reasons, they did it ... Someone is an adrenaline junkie who feels bad without a war, angry people are looking for someone at home - but there’s no way to find maybe ... The truth was from the local population - these, let's say, are motivated ... Because they chose the right side in their civil war, and the second, poverty around is such that the contractor, or even the ensign, 201st is the real breadwinner of a large family.
    Then a little later, our military department guessed from such numerous two-day "condottieri" at least to rip off the money for uniforms ...
    But Yeltsin was informed that the "contracting" of the army showed its full success and the right course, so that once again "working with a bottle of documents" he included a promise in his 96 election campaign, in my opinion, since 1998, completely transfer the army to a contract basis, "like Drugbill's" ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 10 June 2020 14: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: faterdom
      That is, out of 300 carefully selected

      eight))))))
      These are the usual consequences of storming instead of systematic consistent work.
      Contractors were also dragged to Chechnya ... then they weren’t even allowed into the territory of the unit, they were kicked out in a field camp

      The best contractor is the one that remains after the term.
      1. faterdom
        faterdom 10 June 2020 14: 59 New
        +2
        And in our country, what area were you able to reform not according to "Parkinson's Law"? That is, if any business can be performed through the anus, then this path will be chosen?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 10 June 2020 15: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: faterdom
          And in our country, what area were you able to reform not according to "Parkinson's Law"?

          Et yes.
          I remember that I was simply killed by the situation with admission to military schools after the "Serdyukov break". Catastrophic shortage due to lack of information, against the background of which the characters jumping around the "tank biathlon" and other games in uniform looked just strange
    2. raif
      raif 10 June 2020 22: 21 New
      +1
      chheli, bacha! Arrived in Kulyab on 18.08.1999/295/20. 31 people came from the Urals, in Dushanbe only about 1 were screened out. The rest took everyone on a contract. according to our estimates, only 10 people served us until the end of the contract. the overwhelming majority simply did not come back from vacation, some went to study as officers / warrant officers - and did not reach the place of training. something like this. 11 SME of Lieutenant Colonel Aliyev, XNUMX and XNUMX PogZ, Momirak training ground ...
  • Titsen
    Titsen 10 June 2020 17: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: glory1974
    Not to mention all kinds of logistics.


    Aha

    Only if the rear guard does not go to the field to feed, dress and dress, you won’t get much!
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 11 June 2020 08: 40 New
      0
      only if the rear people do not go to the field to feed, dress and dress, you won’t get a lot of it!

      read carefully. Unit commanders performing tasks - one category. For example, the commander of a fuel supply company. Who directly drives to the front line, refueling equipment.
      And the head of the financial service, who is not even involved in service in work orders, is another category. In fact, they are now equated with each other, but this is not correct. What am I writing about.
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 10 June 2020 18: 11 New
    +1
    Very correct article. Almost everything is as it is described here. Lacking just one more reason for the departure of many contractors is the insufficient amount of time devoted to real combat training in many parts. But a sufficient amount went into double bass precisely because of the fact that they are fanatic in combat training.
  • skobars
    skobars 10 June 2020 18: 54 New
    0
    I had a chance to serve with conscripts and contractors, both of them will stand to death if they press really. But the contract soldiers are fighting more carefully, conscripts are fighting as immortals until the first losses, they are not afraid of anything.
  • raif
    raif 10 June 2020 22: 14 New
    +1
    point of view of a contract soldier with 23 years of experience. went on the "shortcomings (that's me still cultural) article:
    officers, maybe a caste, but warrant officers and contract soldiers quite friendly communicate in friendly terms, considering themselves on the same level.
    All these "opinion polls" about "heroism, pacifism and defense of the Motherland in a difficult moment for the country are broken down at a stroke when payments are delayed - would anyone remind you of the situation with payments during the Chechen conflicts? The same is for service abroad. As soon as problems with additional payments arise Syria - the number of those wishing to "perform the feat" has sharply decreased.
    Studying is one way to get extra leave. the profession itself is usually not related to the existing military profession. and infrequently received education helps someone to pursue career growth.
    I already got hold of regular delirium about "organizing leisure" - give the person a rest. even the best team gets bored. Thank God, this problem is only voiced, but not solved.
    the biggest problem is paying rented housing. while in Moscow and St. Petersburg 15.000 compensations help, then 3600 in other regions is a mockery. Initially, few are counting on official housing - most of them will find out about it, already after serving. and all the stories about what the contract soldiers are told, advertised in the military enlistment offices - to put it mildly, do not correspond to reality.
    by the way, more people are coming from villages, for urban residents have more places and acquaintances in order to get a good job.
    about mastering your specialty - the author of the article must decide. where will the mech-water go to increase? a medic or a cook? the maximum is the senior driver. and it is better for him to know his box thoroughly for 20 years in his position than to jump from position to position. Considering the quality of the classes, he will not become a specialist even in 3 years of one contract even without "career growth".
    and very briefly - the work remained. and for contractors too. here you can write 100500 words - but so far nothing has changed.
  • boni592807
    boni592807 8 August 2020 20: 48 New
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    Colleagues, the dispute about the need to introduce the so-called contract servicemen since the mid-80s, when the craze for the United States and "other advanced" technologies began. With them, "Committees of Soldiers' Mothers" and the story "100 days before the order" immediately come to mind.
    Outcome -Beauty will save the World, and "professionals" will save "children" (conscripts) from the "horrors" of the SA. belay Perestroika, etc., did not even consider the price of the issue. Thank you, although they did not immediately make me happy, first the crickets became ensigns and then ...
    Sarmiya - considering the experience of the world and Russia, proved that it is not only not for the pocket, but also harmful because a significant part of the professionals in the face of officers, pr-kov already exist. And the conscript soldier is the main thing, his training, his attitude to defend the Motherland, and not to "nail down the grandmother" has been proven more than once by the history of Russia. Well, at least by the example of other countries of the "foremost workers" in the introduction of contract soldiers - mercenaries.
    From personal experience, a soldier who "transformed" from a conscript into a contactee, the next day, carried nonsense about his profession and the rights of at least a unit commander belay , had to put the newly-minted "proffie" into the hands of the mouth. But, the "delays" in the service and the "smell" not only after the weekend became a reality. Why didn't they drive me ?! 90s, sometimes, then the officers performed up to 10 l / s in one person. And the allowance came from a 3-5 month delay. If not a "bayonet", then at least something "was".
    I am sure you need a good physical education system with the Republic of Belarus (see our Caucasus), a good NVP with practical training on the basis of a military unit, professional training in VUS on the basis of DOSAF (as in the USSR). If the proposed is provided, then military service can be mined up to 1,5 years (2 VA is optimal). If, as it is now, there are mainly words of words and mass photographing in the background ... "Then, Return to the 2-year deadline is inevitable, otherwise the" partners "will click and go down an aggressive track to ... We watch the news along the perimeter ...