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The network was outraged by the words of Margarita Simonyan about Efremov and the driver who died in an accident

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The network is actively discussing the reaction to an accident that was made intoxicated by Mikhail Efremov. Recall that the fault of Efremov, who got drunk behind the wheel of a car, killed 58-year-old driver Sergei Zakharov from Ryazan.


One of the last, most hotly debated topics - statements on the network made by the chief editor of RT Margarita Simonyan. Simonyan made several posts on Twitter, which caused widespread public outcry and outrage.

One of the posts:

I really do not want the grandiose Russian actor to be in prison. I really do not want people who denounce lawlessness to regularly do horrific lawlessness themselves. I really do not want the elderly courier driver to die or remain disabled.

The users were affected by the use of the term “middle-aged” in relation to the 58-year-old driver who died due to the fault of Efremov.

The network was outraged by the words of Margarita Simonyan about Efremov and the driver who died in an accident


A few hours later Margarita Simonyan published a post on Twitter asking the team to find the bank card details of the “family of citizen Zakharov from Ryazan”. This post received a considerable number of negative comments, as it contained the following words:

... who worked as a shift worker in Moscow, lived in a rented apartment with other hard workers of the same kind, did not like Moscow and longed that "life made me work away from my relatives when I was old."

The most harmless answer to this tweet can be considered as a reminder from users to Margarita Simonyan that she herself is “as if not a native Muscovite”.

Meanwhile, the blood alcohol content of the “grandiose Russian actor” was announced on the network (it was a quote from Simonyan). According to the latest data, this content amounted to 2,1 ppm.

In the subject - from an earlier broadcast of the interview with Efremov Dudu:


It is worth noting that in the "creative elites" there are already people who say something like the following: they don’t return the person (Sergey Zakharov), they say, it’s better for the actor to continue to play on stage, and the family of the deceased can help with money and hush up business ... Such proposals cannot be called cynicism and an attempt to interpret the law "for oneself"
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  1. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 9 June 2020 16: 25 New
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    Committed a crime, it doesn’t matter who you are, you must answer, this is democracy, and not what it is now.
    1. Valery Valery
      Valery Valery 9 June 2020 16: 43 New
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      Efremov ?! To jail!!
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 9 June 2020 17: 08 New
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        Now the whole party will scream that he is terminally ill and will not be able to sit in a penal colony without a booze.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 9 June 2020 17: 41 New
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          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          Now the whole party will scream that he is terminally ill and will not be able to sit in a penal colony without a booze.

          a man (Sergei Zakharov), they say, it’s still no longer possible to return, the actor is better, they’ll still not be returned, the actor’s better, they say, continue to play on the stage, and the family of the deceased - help with money and hush up the case ... Such proposals are different as cynicism and an attempt to interpret the law “for oneself” not to be called

          You seem to be from another planet. I regret to remind you that in modern Russia, "gilded with a platinum tint" pseudo-elitists are, in fact, above the Law. Whether you are a corrupt judge, a thieving policeman, drunk with an actor or just a major - everywhere unconditional "guild discipline." All other resonant accidents - were there few of them - an example.
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 9 June 2020 17: 57 New
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            Nevertheless, the earth is round. On May 20, 2005, in Moscow, the eldest son of the Minister of Defense Alexander Ivanov, right at the traffic lights, crushed 66-year-old Svetlana Beridze to death. On November 21, 2005, he was found not guilty.
            November 3, 2014 in Dubai (UAE) Alexander Ivanov drowned near the beach between the Mina ASalam and Burj Al Arab hotels.
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 9 June 2020 18: 58 New
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              Yet then, it seems, it was not so. On the contrary, people went out where it is impossible to cross. In the dark. And the speed allowed there was great.
              For prescription I can not say. But apparently there anyone could crush.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 9 June 2020 22: 51 New
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              Quote: Bashkirkhan
              May 20, 2005 in Moscow, the eldest son of the Minister of Defense Alexander Ivanov directly

              so then the SON of the Minister of Defense and St. Petersburg Ivanov! Did you catch it?
            3. Maximilian37
              Maximilian37 10 June 2020 04: 44 New
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              Bad example. 9 years he lived for his pleasure and mind you not in prison. Kara must be instant. But usually those who have money and connections, karma bypasses
            4. RUSS
              RUSS 10 June 2020 07: 27 New
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              Quote: Bashkirkhan
              Nevertheless, the earth is round. On May 20, 2005, in Moscow, the eldest son of the Minister of Defense Alexander Ivanov, right at the traffic lights, crushed 66-year-old Svetlana Beridze to death. On November 21, 2005, he was found not guilty.
              November 3, 2014 in Dubai (UAE) Alexander Ivanov drowned near the beach between the Mina ASalam and Burj Al Arab hotels.

              He drowned saving his daughter
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            6. Machito
              Machito 11 June 2020 08: 54 New
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              A good actor Efremov - a good term and a good zone. But let him act in films in the camp, it will work out naturally.
              1. 113262a
                113262a 18 June 2020 08: 39 New
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                The devil also needs someone to play!
            7. demo
              demo 11 June 2020 10: 59 New
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              It is evident that the Almighty had more important matters.
              For a long time, evil spirits roamed the earth.
          2. bk316
            bk316 9 June 2020 18: 02 New
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            I regret to remind you that in modern Russia, "gilded with a platinum tint" pseudo-elitists are, in fact, above the Law.

            Well, remind me of Kokorin. Strongly he rose above the Fa.
            We bet that he will receive a real term and sit at least 5 years old, which is almost everything at his age.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 9 June 2020 18: 17 New
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              Well, remind me of Kokorin. Strongly he rose above the Fa.

              It’s called, “I heard a ring, but I don’t understand where it is.” You obviously forgot who Kokorin and Mamaev were mutated? That it was far from an ordinary official? In another scenario, they would get away with it 100%, or there would have been a man who, on the contrary, had been handed to them, he would have been imprisoned.
              You from the note by Sylvester, apparently, have not learned anything. Let me explain - there the maximum possible return can be only ~ 9 billion cubic meters per year. And how much was needed - remember?
              We bet that he will receive a real term and sit at least 5 years old, which is almost everything at his age.

              Deserved - let him sit. But at least he immediately pleaded guilty, and did not bother, seek out a “drunk boy”, and pay a 16-year deferment of punishment, unlike other driving killers close to power ..
              1. bk316
                bk316 9 June 2020 18: 19 New
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                It’s called, “I heard a ring, but I don’t understand where it is.”

                Will we merge or argue?
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 9 June 2020 18: 57 New
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                  In order to discuss facts, you need to, and you have the principle of shouting exclusively at the crowd. I am not a bazaar woman to communicate in this vein.
                  WELL AND HOW DO THE TRILLIONS Receive?
                  Maximum IF THERE IS AT ALL gas there is no pipe cost .....

                  Count? You simply chose to ignore the cost of pumping stations, design and survey, construction work and much, much more. Royalty, excise taxes and taxes, in the end, it is not necessary to pay "moaning" by your moans? In total, only the starting lot, according to the estimates of the "gas hold" itself (the cost of "Siberia's powerlessness"), has already amounted to 1,1 trillion "wooden" and has a tendency to further increase ... Here, read it and challenge it reasonably.
                  https://www.rbc.ru/business/27/04/2018/5ae344799a794785d0b58ea9
                  And now keep in mind that with existing prices and no demand for gas, losses from a half-empty gas pipeline will grow cumulatively.
                  Is it all for you that more than a million trillion?

                  Be responsible for yourself! I, unlike you, have no verbal diarrhea. Or you can not communicate without insults? If not, then dosvidos.
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 10 June 2020 08: 25 New
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                    You need facts to discuss

                    In addition to the discussion under discussion, Simonyan, she has one more:
                    “It is necessary not to know the modern realities of your country at all in order to think that Efremov will not sit down, because he is a famous person, but he would have been sentenced to such a simple person. Precisely because a famous person, precisely because there is so much noise - Efremov will surely sit down ”

                    https://echo.msk.ru/blog/simonyan/2657410-echo/
                    https://www.pnp.ru/social/margarita-simonyan-efremov-obyazatelno-syadet.html
                    1. Roman123567
                      Roman123567 10 June 2020 09: 18 New
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                      Precisely because a famous person, precisely because there is so much noise - Efremov will definitely sit down

                      1. "Not because it’s to blame .. but because it’s famous"
                      2. And I’ll add from myself - well-known in the key unsightly for power ..
                      For if he were known as Kadyrov, that is precisely why he would not have sat down !!

                      And so a good uncle .. His poems are gorgeous ..
                      Putin and the man are just a masterpiece !!
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 10 June 2020 10: 07 New
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                        If you didn’t look at the links, then here’s what’s next:
                        But the summer before last in my native Adler village, a drunk simple man flew into the oncoming lane - a head-on accident. A woman, a mother with many children, and a young guy, my second cousin, died.
                        We took his mother, my aunt, to our place, now lives with us.
                        And what do you think, the guilty simple man sat down? Of course not. The whole village knows that it has paid off. All his relatives were collected at the mercy. Two corpses - and walks, alive and well.
                        And this is just a completely typical story.

                        She has her own story.
                        I do not condone. Just the facts.
                  2. bk316
                    bk316 10 June 2020 13: 49 New
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                    and you have the principle exclusively to shout out to the crowd.

                    The crowd is exclusively you wrestlers.
                    Instead of facts, the cliches of "Siberia's powerlessness" are "wooden".
                    Losses can grow BUT NEVER ACHIEVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF CAPITAL INVESTMENTS. And the amount, in turn, will not reach trillions.

                    I offered you a very simple dispute about the investigation of an accident you merged.
                    I can offer about trillions, too merge?
                    Isn’t it yourself disgusting? Or does the end justify the means?
                    1. Lexus
                      Lexus 10 June 2020 16: 56 New
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                      The crowd is exclusively you wrestlers.

                      Just from the sect omitted for minusculation by a crowd of marshals I heard a similar howl. Like others rotted - was everything all right? And as soon as they got caught on it, did they whine right away? Men? No! You think that the Administration has made a biased decision, so prove it. Only, I assure you, the gut is thin, there is not enough proof and all the facts are against.

                      Losses can grow BUT NEVER ACHIEVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF CAPITAL INVESTMENTS. And the amount, in turn, will not reach trillions.

                      Where does this nonsense come from? Money is already invested and the system is not working yetAt the same time, the pipeline and facilities are already being serviced, employees employed by them receive salaries, and tops also have billions of bonuses, NO INCOME, AND THERE IS EXPENSES. All this goes at a LOSS if you are not in the know. And, given that in the near future the project will not reach its rated capacity, the gas price has fallen very much and there is no demand for it from China, the losses will only grow. I got the impression that I was discussing with a deaf-mute blind person, or something else. I tell you the facts, and you are some kind of heresy in response. Is this your argument? In my opinion - this is a waste of time.

                      I offered you a very simple dispute about the investigation of an accident you merged.

                      I answered the same. And about Kokorin with Mamaev and the rest. Higher. Or is there no friendship with the Russian language? Ah, yes, for Muscovites, alas, a common case. I will repeat the last paragraph in the hope of ...

                      Deserved - let him sit. But at least he immediately pleaded guilty, and did not bother, seek out a “drunk boy”, and pay a 16-year deferment of punishment, unlike other driving killers close to power ..

                      See, no?

                      Isn’t it yourself disgusting? Or does the end justify the means?

                      Communicating after all this is disgusting with you. And, until you prove the fact that I received money from someone for commenting, I have every right to consider you a liar. That for you, judging by the manner of communication, the usual thing. The level of NOD's grandmother is to transcend and transfer to personalities, insults. "Merged" - a concept from the gateway and training manuals of the bot, which has no brains. Humble yourself - I am more honest and smarter than you. On weak and screaming hobnob with me will not work.
                      1. bk316
                        bk316 10 June 2020 18: 40 New
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                        I'm fairly honest and smarter than you.

                        Order in the sense of sometimes. laughing

                        Like others rotted - was everything all right?

                        Am I a marshal? Then or now? I’m not even minus right now, while we are sorting it out. Are you jumping off the topic again?

                        And, until you prove the fact that I received money

                        And where did I write that for money you write comments? And which of us is a liar?


                        REPEAT I wrote
                        Well, remind me of Kokorin. He has risen strongly over the Law. I bet that he will get a real term and sit at least 5 years old, which is almost everything at his age.

                        You answered
                        It’s called, “I heard a ring, but I don’t understand where it is.” You obviously forgot who Kokorin and Mamaev were mutated? That it was far from an ordinary official? In another scenario, they would get away with it 100%, or there would have been a man who, on the contrary, had been handed to them, he would have been imprisoned.


                        Is this a denial of my claim, though florid? Or not? If denial, I propose to answer for my words with a dispute! If you agree with me and write and the question will be settled. And I mean I don’t understand such texts. WAITING FOR AN ANSWER.
                      2. Lexus
                        Lexus 10 June 2020 19: 57 New
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                        Ah ... Well, you, as expected, have a girlish memory. Wandering and moving arrows is already familiar? Well then, let me remind you of another case. Find your "creativity" here.
                        Show / Hide text

                        You think you're allowed to insult people? In vain. Labeling "troll", "bot" and "demagogue" is nothing but unproven rudeness. And a lie! What else do I offer to argue with the hamle? I have something to prove. Just the facts on the nose click. And leave the bridge with meat for barbecue, so you do not become like.
                        Show / Hide text

                        In the future, I’m waiting for help.
                        I look at my girlfriend, they have already called for help. Let us all madam here. Aw, okay. Rave about it! Minus pressure do not forget, darling! As always, in a crowd. The only thing that was required to prove. yes
                      3. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 10 June 2020 23: 26 New
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                        Quote: lexus
                        The only thing that was required to prove

                        What is there to prove ... this Lexus is broken, bring another request
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                    2. bk316
                      bk316 11 June 2020 13: 34 New
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                      Labeling "troll", "bot" and "demagogue" is nothing but unproven rudeness.

                      Didn’t answer the direct question and offer?
                      Why are you so afraid?

                      I ASK A DIRECT QUESTION. AN IMPORTANT ANSWER YES OR NO. AND MINIMUM RESPONSIBILITY for their words. A person writes about marshals, about minusers, about barbecue and bridges, gives links to discussions a month ago and to other topics that have nothing to do with this topic, and of course goes to the individual. THIS IS THE OPERATIONAL DEFINITION OF A DEMAGOG AND TROLL. APPROVED PROVEN

                      And until you answer the question to my question
                      And where did I write that for money you write comments?

                      That statement about the liar is also proved
                2. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 10 June 2020 19: 57 New
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                  Quote: lexus
                  Humble yourself - I am more honest and smarter than you

                  Lexus, here you surpassed yourself good laughing good

                  You should read the one with whom you are trying to communicate, for starters, or something. And then it comes out funny.

                  Quote: lexus
                  Quote: bk316
                  I offered you a very simple dispute about the investigation of an accident you merged

                  I answered the same. And about Kokorin with Mamaev and the rest. Higher. Or is there no friendship with the Russian language?

                  Lexus, the problem with the Russian language is just with you. To clarify - I already offer you a dispute, for a ridiculous amount of half a hundred dead green raccoons ($ 50, otherwise it won’t reach you again): I say that the person involved will sit down, you - that you don’t. Who loses - pays. Accept? wink

                  Colleague bk316 offered you то же самое, but without indicating the amount ... and you were taken somewhere into the forest laughing

                  Quote: lexus
                  On weakly and screaming hobnob with me will not work

                  Well, yes, yes ... only eggs are cooler, only stars are higher ... somewhere I saw this, bad, by the way, symptoms yes
            2. businessv
              businessv 10 June 2020 17: 47 New
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              Quote: lexus
              Be responsible for yourself! I, unlike you, have no verbal diarrhea.
              That's for sure! It would not be accurate, the question of the "Power of Siberia-2" would not be raised.
        2. bk316
          bk316 9 June 2020 18: 21 New
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          And how much was needed - remember?

          SO HOW IS IT TRILLIONAre you getting it?
          Maximum IF THERE IS AT ALL gas there is no pipe cost .....
          Is it all for you that more than a million trillion?
      2. 210ox
        210ox 9 June 2020 20: 47 New
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        And he will sit a year in jail lawyers for a year. And there for three years. They will be given five years at a minimum, will go to the colony and in a month will be released on parole.
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        2. PalBor
          PalBor 9 June 2020 21: 04 New
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          Yes, maybe he won’t sit. Like, they’ll send me to a hospital for rehabilitation for half a year. But the addict.
          And there he realizes and repents ...
        3. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 9 June 2020 23: 16 New
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          2 months of "house arrest" to M. Efremov. NTV news post. My opinion is that they’ll “sit out” before the court’s trial, they will give “term”, but 2-3 years and possibly settlements. Further, according to the "knurled pattern", parole ...
      3. Altona
        Altona 10 June 2020 14: 21 New
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        Quote: bk316
        Well, remind me of Kokorin. Strongly he rose above the Fa.

        -----------------
        Remember Anna Shavenkova? How much there was obtained by law, do not tell?
      4. Vemes
        Vemes 11 June 2020 01: 42 New
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        For him, a term is an extension of life.
    2. Mikhail Tynda
      Mikhail Tynda 10 June 2020 00: 51 New
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      Unfortunately, not only in modern Russia. But also in the USSR.
    3. Uma palata
      Uma palata 11 June 2020 05: 13 New
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      This time it will not work.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 9 June 2020 17: 56 New
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    For him, prison is the best place. And so, the liver may refuse. However, let the great torment. And Simonyan, I advise you to collect loot for each family of the deceased on the road from the drunk.
    1. bk316
      bk316 9 June 2020 18: 03 New
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      And Simonyan, I advise you to collect loot for each family of the deceased on the road from the drunk.

      She needs to take the Central Bank by storm, no dough is enough.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 10 June 2020 07: 38 New
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        I don’t know about the Central Bank, but Simonyan’s moral and ethical principles, as openly liberoid, do not allow her to stay on the post of Arti as an informational and ideological Russian media.
        IMHO:
    2. Uma palata
      Uma palata 11 June 2020 05: 18 New
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      This lady is unlikely to do this. People are not from the workshop of geniuses.
  3. New Year day
    New Year day 9 June 2020 22: 50 New
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    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Now the whole party will scream that he is terminally ill and will not be able to sit in a penal colony without a booze.

    good to carry nonsense. Through the fault of an alcoholic, a person died. 2 orphans left. Who forced to pour vodka into the mouth? What other options could there be? Kill-sat! And this is not enough! Let the children raise the deceased, although no one will replace the father
  4. Zhan
    Zhan 10 June 2020 06: 02 New
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    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Now the whole party will scream that he is terminally ill and will not be able to sit in a penal colony without a booze.

    Such people, as a rule, do not feel bad at settlements either. They will give them about 8 years, will serve 4 and will be released according to parole for good behavior.
    1. Plastmaster
      Plastmaster 10 June 2020 08: 08 New
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      It is not without exception that for one thing the series will be filmed there. Grand Creativity is not going anywhere. Onozh asks outside.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 9 June 2020 17: 12 New
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    Quote: Valery Valery
    Efremov ?! To jail!!

    I’m literally watching the program right there. They say that the head of the Kuzbass police department killed four girls in an accident, served 1.5 years and the other day
    1. Charik
      Charik 9 June 2020 17: 25 New
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      huh, there are thousands of people like him, they will commit a crime with epaulettes, and they’ll be sentenced for theft 1 and 5 and free — no, as the head of the traffic police in Nizhny Novgorod, they arrested the deputy, he began to take the campaign, and the head of the police officer shot himself so as not to condemn
    2. Blacksmith 55
      Blacksmith 55 9 June 2020 17: 42 New
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      Before the law, EVERYTHING must be equal.
      But, at all times, some were still more equal.
      Do not accept my remark as an excuse for Efremov. He is a good actor, but despite this he must be punished.
      And this should be a lesson to other "celebrities."
      1. yuratanja1950
        yuratanja1950 9 June 2020 19: 35 New
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        Quote: smith 55
        Before the law EVERYTHING must be equal .


        "Article 19 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation:
        1. All are equal before the law and the court. 2. The state guarantees the equality of human and civil rights and freedoms, regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official position, place of residence, religion, beliefs, membership in public associations, or other circumstances. Any form of restricting citizens ’rights on the grounds of social, racial, national, linguistic or religious affiliation is prohibited."

        All THIS is in the Supreme Law of the country ... But - does not work ...
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 10 June 2020 09: 26 New
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          That's because there aren’t enough amendments about animals .. Soon we’ll go fix it ..
          1. Glaaki
            Glaaki 10 June 2020 13: 51 New
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            Yes, not enough. Young organisms hanging the dog for fun, should be carefully disassembled into organs for sick people.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 9 June 2020 22: 55 New
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        Quote: smith 55
        Before the law, EVERYTHING must be equal.

        in a normal state, this does not apply to us.
    3. kit88
      kit88 9 June 2020 20: 47 New
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      I’m literally watching the program right there. They say that the head of the Kuzbass police department killed four girls in an accident, served 1.5 years and the other day

      From the point of view of the Criminal Code, everything is clear.
      It should be understood that the head of Kuzbass has a part 5 of article 264. (severe) i.e. death of 2 or more persons. Responsibility for this part is forced labor up to 5 years, or imprisonment up to 7 years. That is, theoretically, under this article, a judge can give 2 months of forced labor and no law will violate this.
      And at Efremov - part 4 of the same 264 article (especially grave). Punishment ONLY imprisonment from 5 to 12 years. No work, fines, etc. A judge will be required to sentence to imprisonment. Theoretically - at least 5 years.
      Although of course Art. 64 "below the lowest" has not been canceled. Yes, Art. 73 "condition" in theory is possible. But in the "deferral" of Art. 82 he clearly does not fit.
    4. minus
      minus 9 June 2020 21: 31 New
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      In that accident, my friend died ... Three children were left without a mother ...
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 9 June 2020 23: 20 New
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      Quote: Pilat2009
      I’m literally watching the program right there. They say that the head of the Kuzbass police department killed four girls in an accident, served 1.5 years and the other day

      and after 3 hours 24-year-old precinct in Voronezh

      so did not cope with the management of "Merc." that drove up to the store through the sidewalk. There is a dead man.
      1. Roman123567
        Roman123567 10 June 2020 09: 28 New
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        This is Crown .. Was there yesterday, filmed a video ..
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 10 June 2020 12: 50 New
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          I was there yesterday, filmed a video ..

          Didn’t you have another mind? Did Hypa feel like it?
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 10 June 2020 12: 48 New
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        Sylvester, stop the wave drive. In America, the police simply strangled the detainee. Does the law also not work there? Then, such as you raised a buchu in a network. The result we are now seeing in news agencies. There are enough hollowers in any country. For your info - FSB Major (in the two thousandth), the first-person driver knocked down a man to death, without aggravating. The result - he served time in a colony near St. Petersburg. Does the law not work?
  • ApJlekuHo
    ApJlekuHo 9 June 2020 21: 11 New
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    ivan ivan sergei sergey administration will fight with bots or why should I fire you?
  • New Year day
    New Year day 9 June 2020 22: 47 New
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    Quote: Valery Valery
    Efremov ?!

    and what is a saint? Killed -
    Quote: Valery Valery
    To jail!!
  • gsev
    gsev 10 June 2020 10: 01 New
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    Quote: Valery Valery
    Efremov ?! To jail!!

    If there is social justice in Russia, Efremov should go to jail. If there is no justice, then Efremov may sit, but the tougher security forces, businessmen, politicians and bandits and their relatives, even if in the accident they will kill a dozen people, will not sit in Afghanistan. If a murder is committed, the offender is convicted, then the victim’s relative kills the convict. However, he can be pardoned by receiving compensation. An acquaintance told how he experienced a terrible state when a woman cut the convict’s neck. On the other hand, it seemed to me that he understood her, that she didn’t forgive her in her soul and had the moral right to make a punishment. If the courier’s relatives accept the money, Efremov will evade punishment, which means that in Russia people are divided into untouchables and wordless creatures, which can and should be bought for fear, rubles or dollars or cookies.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 10 June 2020 11: 36 New
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      If in Russia there is social justice

      Dreaming It is not in the Russian Federation and will not be until we wake up with all the people.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 9 June 2020 17: 05 New
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    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Committed a crime, it doesn’t matter who you are, you must answer, this is democracy, and not what it is now.

    Correctly, it doesn’t matter, the artist, the worker or the liberal, and for the crime committed should be responsible by law. The laws are equal for everyone so far, but they are trying to “pretend” to us that this is a brilliant artist "who cannot be judged, but who must play on stage. But what kind of" genius "he is, which one of the drunks can be an artist. In his youth, he did not rise above average, everything rode on paternal authority. If Russia is a rule of law, then it is necessary to judge by the Law, like any citizen of the country.
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 9 June 2020 17: 13 New
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      Who will plant him, he is a "monument" to a grandiose Russian actor!
      1. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 9 June 2020 18: 04 New
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        Who will plant him, he is a "monument" to a grandiose Russian actor!

        I think a precedent has already been set. Athletes sat in a scuffle. And the actor must sit out. To hone dramatic mastery. Moreover, voting on the constitution is soon, and there are elections to the Duma. People must be “respected”, otherwise voting will not be so.
        1. Looking for
          Looking for 9 June 2020 18: 28 New
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          In the USSR, and singers sat. And actresses and football players.
        2. AUL
          AUL 9 June 2020 19: 00 New
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          Quote: Souchastnik
          I think a precedent has already been set. Athletes sat in a scuffle. And the actor must sit out.

          Something you get to the officials! Yes, how can you!
          1. blackice
            blackice 10 June 2020 08: 30 New
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            Blasphemy is straight !!!
            Holy people and their offspring, but on the bunk, but for some kind of pranks ???
            Yes, it’s practically extremism !!! laughing
          2. Souchastnik
            Souchastnik 11 June 2020 09: 27 New
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            Something you get to the officials! Yes, how can you!

            S-ss! Do not shoot laughing
        3. AnderS
          AnderS 10 June 2020 17: 49 New
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          I think a precedent has already been set.

          It does not smell of precedent. Moreover, in Russia there is no case law. Now, if one of the deputies of Sobyanin or, say, the son of Chaika died in an accident, then 12 would have been soldered to him without any talk. And so, an ordinary Russian citizen died, so I think a year and a half later, this eternal one will continue his drunken pokatushki ...
    2. Anastezia
      Anastezia 9 June 2020 17: 23 New
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      Quote: tihonmarine
      In his youth, he did not rise above the average; everything rode on his father's authority. If Russia is a rule-of-law state, it is necessary to judge according to the Law, like any citizen of the country.

      Now there is silence, but I feel the neolibers will howl about the "bloody regime", etc.
      The killer should be in prison and especially if drunk as a pig (2.1 ppm detected in the blood) ..
      Cattle drank ... negative
      Still punish those with whom he drank and let him go ..
      1. Romey
        Romey 9 June 2020 19: 59 New
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        The howl began Rita Simonyan, quite a tight-witted character, one of the pillars of Putin's propaganda. If “liberal” and bohemia are connected to it, then smart people have a reason to think about it. It seems to me that liberal Efremov is much closer in spirit to the "patriot" Simonyan than ordinary Putinists think, scattering insults at patriots without quotes. And as for Efremov ... Everything is simple: either a person throws a plump, or a plaque throws a person, taking others along with him. What will happen next, I wang that something similar will happen again as it was with Radzinsky or Vasilyeva. They will put me on a subscription, for three years the case will wander in the courts, after everyone forgets to let me down under the amnesty. Profit
        1. Anastezia
          Anastezia 9 June 2020 21: 00 New
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          Quote: romey
          The howl began Rita Simonyan, quite a tight-witted character, one of the pillars of Putin's propaganda.

          Well, that begins ..)))
          Quote: romey
          It seems to me that liberal Efremov is much closer in spirit to the "patriot" Simonyan

          Tipo "this is not our liberal ?? The excuse and the coup of everything went.
          GOOD LIBERS ..Maybe it to Israel to "cure" ..)))) laughing drinks
          1. Romey
            Romey 9 June 2020 21: 20 New
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            Sorry moa, but what begins? The Putinist began harnessing herself for the bohemian opposition and the bully, and the patriots were to blame, hinting at some kind of spiritual connection between the Putinists and their supposedly counterpart. Yes, I do not care where you take him, even to the states. I want him to crouch as it should according to the law, which is not for everyone.
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        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 10 June 2020 07: 58 New
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          Quote: romey
          Everything is simple: either a person quits plumping, or a quit quit

          The "booze" took him neither yesterday, nor today, but from about the student bench, only thanks to the great pope his freaks forgave him.
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 9 June 2020 17: 32 New
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      With these in power it will only be so. We will be sitting, not "elite" drunks.
      1. bk316
        bk316 9 June 2020 18: 04 New
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        With these in power it will only be so. We will be sitting, not "elite" drunks.

        Well, what are we going to argue about what they will put in prison? At least 5, most likely 8.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 9 June 2020 19: 08 New
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          Quote: bk316
          With these in power it will only be so. We will be sitting, not "elite" drunks.

          Well, what are we going to argue about what they will put in prison? At least 5, most likely 8.

          One and a half will sit and leave. What is there to argue about?
          1. bk316
            bk316 10 June 2020 13: 51 New
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            One and a half will sit and leave. What is there to argue about?

            And if it doesn’t work out, what do you say? ATTENTION you do not want to answer for words?
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 10 June 2020 16: 43 New
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              Quote: bk316
              One and a half will sit and leave. What is there to argue about?

              And if it doesn’t work out, what do you say? ATTENTION you do not want to answer for words?

              I will say that I did not guess, it happens drinks
              1. bk316
                bk316 10 June 2020 18: 25 New
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                I will say that I did not guess, it happens drinks

                You will say that, I have no doubt drinks
                But there are comrades who do not answer for the words and don’t admit their mistakes, for them I want a procedure like this ..... I remembered the coaming out laughing
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                bk316 10 June 2020 18: 45 New
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                is

                By the way, agree with my analysis of the accident?
                After all, you probably also have a long record of service laughing
                I’ll say to myself that I would definitely catch it like Zakharov.
                That’s why I’m already about 15 years old as I drive big cars. - In Moscow, it’s inadequate to drive darkness and I want to live.
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                  Doliva63 11 June 2020 19: 59 New
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                  Quote: bk316
                  is

                  By the way, agree with my analysis of the accident?
                  After all, you probably also have a long record of service laughing
                  I’ll say to myself that I would definitely catch it like Zakharov.
                  That’s why I’m already about 15 years old as I drive big cars. - In Moscow, it’s inadequate to drive darkness and I want to live.

                  I traveled around Moscow myself only until the end of the 90s, so I can not reliably assess the current road conditions there. Maybe you’re right, I don’t know. And now everywhere is inadequate full, alas. And every year there are more of them. I don’t understand why auto-drivers will not put a chip in the car - I drove past the sign "locality" - can you accelerate more than 60? Well this is such a penny! And on the track as well - sign 50, the car will not go faster. Here's how to reduce accident rates, not fines. drinks
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 9 June 2020 20: 44 New
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          They will be forced to give a year or two, and then quietly release, so that the people shut up and forget about this uro.da.
        3. Anastezia
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          Quote: bk316
          With these in power it will only be so. We will be sitting, not "elite" drunks.

          Well, what are we going to argue about what they will put in prison? At least 5, most likely 8.

          I would shoot the bastard! soldier
          But he hired a fund of bulk, already cunning attorneys .. They will give it and they will buy everything and everyone! They can humiliate Russia .. negative
          The ECHR will be subscribing soon SURE!
          Amnesty will be announced, etc. Especially for Efrem-drunk ..)))
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 9 June 2020 22: 59 New
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            But he hired a fund of bulk, already cunning lawyers.

            good to bulk drag to the criminal! Got it with your bulk! There are 2 figures in the country - Putin and Navalny and that's it, is life over?
            1. Constructor68
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              good to bulk drag to the criminal!

              About how they were offended by Navalny, immediately screeched indignantly.
              1. blackice
                blackice 10 June 2020 08: 36 New
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                So there Simonyan voted for Efremov, didn’t he?
                It turns out she is a liberalist?
                Decide whether you are already more liberalist, Simonyan or Piled up.
                I ... on both of them, but it hurts to see how the fast-witted journalist will now greet the followers of the sun.
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral 10 June 2020 11: 33 New
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                  Decide whether you are already more liberalist, Simonyan or Piled up.

                  For me - so this lady with her godfather. But Lesha, albeit with kookies, is doing the right thing, revealing the abscesses of thieves in power.
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 10 June 2020 09: 08 New
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                Quote: Designer 68
                About how they were offended by Navalny, immediately screeched indignantly.

                do you know others? laughing How is your logic? Are causal relationships present?
      2. Kelwin
        Kelwin 10 June 2020 00: 51 New
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        Five points ... so be it.
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 9 June 2020 22: 58 New
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      Quote: tihonmarine
      ... this is a brilliant artist "...

      hi Honestly, he is a very good actor. I didn’t look at it — it shocked me. BUT! This does not give him the right to kill! Therefore, despite the genius, I must answer. Although the children of the deceased will not help request
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 9 June 2020 17: 24 New
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    And who is he ?! As an actor, not a dad. He was a titan, a lump, however, also abused the serpent ... Here the son went to his father, though not by talent, but cursed by the serpent ... Now let him heal from people far away ...
    1. senima56
      senima56 9 June 2020 17: 59 New
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      "Now let him heal from people far away ..." and Panin him in the "company"!
  • Vend
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    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Committed a crime, it doesn’t matter who you are, you must answer, this is democracy, and not what it is now.

    And if you recall Yumatov, he served a crime and I think the actor will be better than Efremov. However, what happened does not surprise me, all these accusers of power and fighters for the national good, put themselves above the law and above the people.
  • NEXUS
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    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Committed a crime, it doesn’t matter who you are, you must answer, this is democracy, and not what it is now.

    As I said earlier, with our judicial system, you can expect any outcome, in the flesh, to the point of “proving” that Zakharov himself is to blame. These are the realities of today and everyone knows about it.
    Efremov, Guzeeva, Malysheva, Solovyov, the whole DOM-2 in full force, the same Comedy Club with their jokes below the waist ... all these people should not be traded on federal channels, but in a psychiatric hospital. The attitude of silver to ordinary people has crossed all boundaries of indecency. They do not consider ordinary people as people.
    And to ask these stars if Efremov sent their relative to the other world, would they also argue that "you can’t return a person, and that this drunk is finished even if it is removed further?"
    And this is all a consequence of the absolutely indifferent position of the citizens of the country (simple). They call us cattle from the screens ... well, we made a noise in social networks, we made a couple of angry videos on YouTube and that's it. Sami and gave rise to this impunity in these stars. And there would be an active position of the population ... for example, on Prigogine’s rudeness, write a collective complaint (with signatures of thousands of 50 people), followed by a call to the prosecutor’s office and punishment. Or, again, under pressure from the public, to check the tax service, where did Malyshev’s real estate come from in the USA for wooden lard?
    As for Efremov ... so do not care who he is, the actor, or the banal drunk ... there must be a REAL punishment.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 9 June 2020 18: 41 New
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      I liked how Efremov “trolled” the authorities, but since he got there and was guilty, answer them. Let them put them to the fullest.
      1. Grandfather
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        Quote: Andrew Y.
        I liked how Efremov “trolled” the authorities, but since he got there and was guilty, answer them. Let them put them to the fullest.

        sorry a little, this "pseudo rebel" - a drunkard, for him the term is a tower in any case. but killed the man, let him sit to the end.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 9 June 2020 19: 38 New
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        Quote: Andrew Y.
        I liked how Efremov "trolled" the authorities, but since he got there and was guilty, answer.

        He did this either with a binge, or with someone in plain clothes. At the same time, they found in the blood by the alcohol, even traces of heroin and drugs of the canabioid group. What else can I talk about here? The punishment should be, and not conditional.
        In fact, Efremov reflected in his behavior and lifestyle a large part of our media bohemia. Drunkenness, drugs, inappropriate behavior, hypocrisy and the demolition of the head from fees.
        Such an audience is stuffed into our throats.
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 10 June 2020 03: 40 New
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          ... Earlier, Efremov’s wife Sofya Kruglikova explained the artist’s behavior to drunk sleeping pills. Later, in a conversation with law enforcement officers, she talked about her husband’s terrible drinking companions "from some organs" .. here the "bloody gebnya" was already drawn .. and he also has asthma and a sick heart .. - he cannot be detained .. - he should be in a bathrobe and slippers at home ..
    2. halpat
      halpat 9 June 2020 18: 49 New
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      silver

      gyyy wink that’s how Russian stars and stars should be called,
      and this ... not from the word "silver" ... laughing
      well, and Efremov Jr. does not even deserve such a title.
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 9 June 2020 19: 03 New
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    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Committed a crime, no matter who you are, must answer

    All paws for. That's just to not only apply to the actors. In general, at all. True .... Then we have no elite left. Neither the owners of corporations and banks, nor officials, nor even the guarantor. yes
    1. Grandfather
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      Then the elite will not remain at all.

      not the elite, but the "elite" ... and that’s good.
  • st2st
    st2st 9 June 2020 19: 27 New
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    So, now we have, Andrei, the era of unprecedented democracy and law. Efremov is a great actor (not dad, son), Chubais is a great reformer, Gref is a great manager, Serebryannikov is a great director, Pavlensky is a great artist, etc., etc. The question only arises: if the authorities have Russia is worth such great people, well, so the people live so shitty? Maybe because he does not realize that he (the people), the great people of Russia rule? Or, is it, after all, in another?
  • Vicontas
    Vicontas 9 June 2020 19: 44 New
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    As folklore says, "Nature rests on the children of geniuses!" It looks like Misha Efremova she was relieving!
  • imobile2008
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    He is an actor on stage, an ordinary driver driving! A _Simonyan in prison would have thundered in a normal state. Not familiar with her was creativity. A couple of phrases are enough, I already want to spit. For my 40 years I do not remember such a vile little man!
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  • DIM (a)
    DIM (a) 10 June 2020 01: 20 New
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    The question is not in democracy, but in the Law, any citizen, regardless of status, estate, social status and merit, must answer for his crime.
    The footcloth is just huge long ... Comment on the first post (
  • smart ass
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    On his zone of 20 years for the murder
  • Alex013
    Alex013 9 June 2020 16: 25 New
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    But they can hush things up, as they did with Radzinsky. Or fall under the amnesty.
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      Now, given the circumstances, it will be very difficult to hush up. I hope that they will not be hushed up. Although this group "with bright faces" is very serious patrons. For example, Bykov has already spoken on several articles, but not a single excited case.
      1. evgen1221
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        It’s easy to hush up, They’ll go out to the family of the deceased, pay off, then for lack of claims, house arrest and amnesty of udo or bail. I believe in ours (a fair state) if the actor really at least sits in a colony for 2-3 years. But this will not happen because we have selective justice.
        1. Vol4ara
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          Quote: evgen1221
          It’s easy to hush up, They’ll go out to the family of the deceased, pay off, then for lack of claims, house arrest and amnesty of udo or bail. I believe in ours (a fair state) if the actor really at least sits in a colony for 2-3 years. But this will not happen because we have selective justice.

          Look kk sits a chain knit, with a kebab on soft sofas and with boiled crabs. Do you think if Efremov sits down, he will sit very differently?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 June 2020 17: 08 New
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          Quote: evgen1221
          They will go out to the family of the deceased, pay off, then for lack of claims, house arrest and amnesty of udos or bail.

          He is seriously terminally ill, a large family, he realized what he had done, repents, began to go to church.
          1. Anastezia
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: evgen1221
            They will go out to the family of the deceased, pay off, then for lack of claims, house arrest and amnesty of udos or bail.

            He is seriously terminally ill, a large family, he realized what he had done, repents, began to go to church.

            It’s necessary to plant, maybe it will stop thumping. There they will teach him life and respect for people .. And then he starred with his drunken tricks .. A man is sorry for the victim there, he has double sorrow in the family .. "The mother-in-law died) .. Horror !!!
            He liked me as he played in The Taiga Romance .. But he played himself in other roles too .. He is far from the glory of his father.!
            PLANT!!! It threatens to 12 years .. negative
        3. your1970
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          Quote: evgen1221
          It’s easy to hush up, They’ll go out to the family of the deceased, pay off, then for lack of claims, house arrest and amnesty of udo or bail. I believe in ours (a fair state) if the actor really at least sits in a colony for 2-3 years. But this will not happen because we have selective justice.

          1) with severe bodily ones, even if they pay off - the matter will remain. This only with mild and moderate severity can be stopped by trying the parties
          2) from 3 to 7 years. Judicial practice - give 4
          3) UDO not earlier than in a year and a half (if 3 give)
          4) he had 10 administrators this year for traffic violations

          Z. Given all the circumstances, I think they will give 4 and will sit as pretty in the colony

          Z.Z.Z.
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          Look kk sits chain knit, with a barbecue on soft sofas and with boiled crabs. Do you think if Efremov sits down, he will sit very differently?
          - Tsepovyaz is a little not Efremov. And yes, the head of the colony
          "Investigative actions against former leaders of the maximum security colony No. 3 of the Federal Penitentiary Service of Russia in the Amur Region - the head of the correctional institution Sergei Kartavtsev and his deputy Vladimir Vasiliev have been completed. They are charged with abuse of power (Part 1 of Article 286 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation), " - It is said in a message quoted by RIA Novosti news agency.
          According to the investigation, in 2011-2015, the accused on the territory of IK-3 illegally organized production facilities, concluding agreements with acquaintances and relatives of convicts for employment of the latter. Thus, some of the convicts, including Vyacheslav Tsepovyaz, were transferred to lighter conditions for serving their sentences, and a number of them were subjected to parole. "
          More details: https://www.newsru.com/russia/08jan2020/kolonia.html
          1. bk316
            bk316 9 June 2020 18: 06 New
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            from 3 to 7 years. Judicial practice - give 4

            There is another part, already retrained from 5 to 12.
            + alcohol
            + just found cocaine.
            Can generally go to the maximum .....
            1. your1970
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              Quote: bk316
              from 3 to 7 years. Judicial practice - give 4

              There is another part, already retrained from 5 to 12.
              + alcohol
              + just found cocaine.
              Maybe in general go to the maximum.....
              -fuck ...
              I think our "best friends" belay now they will begin to sculpt a fighter against the regime that has suffered for criticizing the authorities ...
              1. bk316
                bk316 9 June 2020 18: 28 New
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                I think that our "best friends" belay will now begin to sculpt a fighter with the regime that has suffered for criticizing the authorities ...

                It seems that she found a scythe on a stone - the people were so inadequate that the opinions of the liberties were divided. Well, the analysis of cocaine already says a lot, now the search sanction is given, you see something will be found - and that’s all. Karma she is. Zakharova sorry, you compare their pictures. Who is the elite?
                1. your1970
                  your1970 9 June 2020 18: 38 New
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                  I meant rather "partners" repeat - rather than our liberda ...
                  I think our opponents are especially afraid of getting dirty - 2,1 ppm (I figured it out for myself - about 0,8 belay vodka, by its weight - probably 0,5 approximately)
              2. Constructor68
                Constructor68 10 June 2020 06: 05 New
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                Already write. One Ekhovets has already stated that alcohol in the blood of Efremov is a provocation of a bloody gebni in revenge for the words of this dove of freedom
          2. really
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            Beautifully worded, instead of using his official position for personal purposes, he raised the loot,
          3. Brancodd
            Brancodd 9 June 2020 19: 44 New
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            This practice of "lack of claims" of the injured party must be terminated by law for any offenses. Those. this provision should not be blurred at all as an excuse for ending the investigation.
            1. your1970
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              Quote: Brancodd
              This practice of “no complaints” of the injured party must be terminated legally for any (????????????? !!!!!!!) offenses. Those. this provision should not be blurred at all as an excuse for ending the investigation.
              -strong!!!! belay fool
              Do you know that reconciliation of the parties is possible only with mild and moderate severity ??
              And you know - that in this case someone else accidentally scratched the car, so please the bunks as the damage will be more than 10 thousand ??
              Or broke the intercom - and also on the bunk ??
              Do you want 3/5 to sit, 1/5 was under investigation and 1/5 guarded them ???
              fool
              1. Brancodd
                Brancodd 11 June 2020 16: 08 New
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                No I do not want to. Of course I meant serious crimes. But this practice was also used for serious crimes. And more than once. Relatives - money. Court - no complaints.
                Savelovsky District Court of Moscow collected 2 million rubles. from the famous writer and TV presenter Edward Radzinsky in the scandalous case of an accident in which a 24-year-old girl died. According to the press secretary of the court, Alexander Volkov, the court granted the claims of the father of the deceased, Vladimir Kulikov, and recovered money from Radzinsky as compensation for non-pecuniary damage
    2. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 9 June 2020 16: 49 New
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      Will not fall, the article is classified as serious
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 9 June 2020 21: 55 New
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        Quote: Andrey VOV
        Will not fall, the article is classified as serious

        Is it normal that he was put under house arrest for 2 months?
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 9 June 2020 22: 00 New
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          I think not, the investigator and the prosecutor gave a slack, it was necessary to insist on the arrest, the passports were clearly taken away, they would put on a bracelet .. but he didn’t understand, he didn’t smell the bucket, he didn’t smell sweaty bodies and sour cabbage
        2. your1970
          your1970 10 June 2020 16: 55 New
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          Will not fall, the article is classified as serious

          Is it normal that he was put under house arrest for 2 months?
          - yes, for such cases usually a recognizance not to leave is held. Judicial practice in such cases
          He is even a little tougher - than in ordinary court practice the restriction was applied.
          That is while no discounts on "stardom" is not observed
    3. Junior Private
      Junior Private 9 June 2020 18: 48 New
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      Do not be hushed up. He also found drugs in his body.
    4. Grandfather
      Grandfather 9 June 2020 18: 50 New
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      But they can hush things up, as they did with Radzinsky. Or fall under the amnesty.

      Radzinsky authorities did not blame aloud.
  • svp67
    svp67 9 June 2020 16: 27 New
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    The CRIMINAL MUST be in prison ... AND THE POINT
    1. prior
      prior 9 June 2020 16: 37 New
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      Not a dot, but a comma.
      For officials, government officials, public people, the punishment should be multiple times higher.
      Not 5-12 years, but 20-50, i.e. 5-10 times stricter. ! They deserve it.
      Now the DOT.
      1. svp67
        svp67 9 June 2020 16: 46 New
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        Quote: prior
        For officials, government officials, public people, the punishment should be multiple times higher.

        Here you can argue ... For crimes committed with the use of official position, including in the form of pressure, then yes ... and so, do not deprive people of the chance to correct and continue their careers. You may recall that some of our Soviet actors also had “black pages” in the biography ...
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 9 June 2020 17: 09 New
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          Quote: svp67
          You may recall that some of our Soviet actors also had “black pages” in the biography ...

          After reading this, I remembered George Zhzhenov. Here's what I found about it on the Web: Yes, he was imprisoned, but not in a criminal case, but on suspicion of transmitting classified data to a US military attache, who was traveling in the same car and talking with the entire crew. And what secret information could a young, 22-year-old artist have, who also just went to the shooting ?!
          So there is no need to compare the actors, one of whom has served “for good reason”, and the other quite often abuses alcohol, and even sits behind the wheel and now a person has died because of him!
          And if Mikhail is not imprisoned, then let him now help the family of the deceased!
          1. CAM
            CAM 9 June 2020 18: 03 New
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            Zhzhenov met with a military attaché three times, once on a train, two in Moscow, and he went to shoot in a closed city where a plant was built to build nuclear submarines
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 9 June 2020 22: 47 New
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              In 1938, a plant for the construction of nuclear submarines?
              1. Potter
                Potter 9 June 2020 23: 18 New
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                The city of Molotovsk and the Molotov Shipyard. Now Severodvinsk and the NSR. Well, then for the bookmark there were preparing 2 battleships of project 23, Soviet Russia and Soviet Belarus. The British were very worried about this fact.
              2. CAM
                CAM 10 June 2020 00: 03 New
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                yes, unfortunately messed up with boats .. fool but ... "During the filming of the film" Komsomolsk "(1938), the actor rode the train to Komsomolsk-on-Amur, which was secret at that time. On his return from Komsomolsk, he met the US military attache, Major Philip Race Faymonville (Philip R . Faymonville). He later met with him twice more after returning from filming at the station and at the Bolshoi. "
          2. al252ex
            al252ex 9 June 2020 18: 09 New
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            About George Zhzhenov there is a good analysis on the channel, a bad signal in YouTube with documents. You can find and watch who wants to.
          3. flc9800
            flc9800 9 June 2020 18: 39 New
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            I believe Michael, in any case, is obliged to help the family of a KILLED IM person!
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 June 2020 17: 10 New
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          Quote: svp67
          You may recall that some of our Soviet actors also had “black pages” in their biographies.

          Set aside his position and let him continue on stage.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 9 June 2020 18: 06 New
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            Now there will be a lesson to play. A new stage image.
          2. Grandfather
            Grandfather 9 June 2020 19: 24 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: svp67
            You may recall that some of our Soviet actors also had “black pages” in their biographies.

            Set aside his position and let him continue on stage.

            THERE is no scene.
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 9 June 2020 17: 14 New
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        For officials, government officials, public people, the punishment should be multiple times higher.


        Rave. The law should be, one for all, otherwise in court, lawyers will start a debate about the degree of fame of a citizen.
      3. Charik
        Charik 9 June 2020 17: 32 New
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        I dreamed, a lot of Chubais and hedgehogs sat with him, those who need them and who have no money to pay off
      4. your1970
        your1970 9 June 2020 17: 59 New
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        I didn’t want to comment, but this attack fool hooked
        Quote: prior
        For officials, government officials, public people, the punishment should be multiple times higher.
        Not 5-12 years, but 20-50, i.e. 5-10 times stricter. ! They deserve it.
        -let's go !!!
        Which of the famous / officials / government officials was there?
        Korolev? Tupolev? Petlyakov? Urmin? B. Stechkin?
        Rokosovsky?
        Zhzhenov? Yumatov? Godovikov? Gomiashvili? Dolinsky? Petrenko? Kramarov? Shevkunenko?

        All had to write
        Quote: prior
        5-10 times stricter
        ???? !!!!
        You would have turned on your head at least once in your life fool before the complete nonsense to bear ...
        People, in general, should all be equal before the law ... and in your bullshit - very close and long periods for skin color or nationality

        For all the minusers - I FOR so that Efremov was sitting !!! Moreover I'm sure(99,8% !!!) - what he will sit and be given 4 years.
        0,2% because the ways of the Lord are not confessible - there are many varieties of all kinds in life, for example, they may die under investigation
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 9 June 2020 22: 49 New
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          I completely agree with you. The only thing Kramarov never sat.
        2. Potter
          Potter 9 June 2020 23: 28 New
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          If you write a parallel series of the late 1930s from the authorities, then
          Bukharin, Rykov, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Berry, Yezhov! (you can continue for a long time).
          A little later, the Leningrad affair
          -Kuznetsov, Popkov, Ascension, Kapustin, Lazutkin, Rodionov.
      5. bk316
        bk316 9 June 2020 18: 09 New
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        public people

        Good boy.
        I remind you that VO is a mass media.
        That is, anyone who wrote at least one article is a public person.
        Still going to (or have already accepted) the same for the Blochers.
        READY TO GET TWENTY?
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 9 June 2020 16: 44 New
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      Totally agree, the offender must be fully responsible for what he did, and in this state, getting behind the wheel is a real crime.
  • Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 9 June 2020 16: 29 New
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    How did this fun cheerful drinker become a killer ??? Too often there are those who consider themselves superior to society and they do not care at all.
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 9 June 2020 16: 34 New
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      You should drink less. This "cheerful cheerful drunkard" is a complete drunk.
      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Nikolay Ivanov_5 9 June 2020 16: 40 New
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        He became a martyr of conscience. Degraded. I drank too much. He became a killer.
        He followed this path for a long time and purposefully.
      2. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 9 June 2020 17: 17 New
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        You should drink less.

        Unfortunately, such characters in this phrase only respond to need to drink.
        “Since the beginning of 2020, actor Mikhail Efremov has been prosecuted 10 times for traffic violations,” TASS quoted the response to a request to law enforcement agencies.

        https://www.zr.ru/content/news/923589-vse-mnogochislennye-shtrafy-i-na/
        Recidivist. Cynical. What else is needed? Understand, forgive?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 June 2020 17: 13 New
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      Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
      How did this fun, cheerful drinker become a killer?

      Drunken brawls at the hotel, repeatedly drunk at the wheel. They would take away the rights, would sit at home or in the theater, would drink the fowl, and would not commit any murder.
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        today the rights were taken away, tomorrow they will buy back
  • neri73-r
    neri73-r 9 June 2020 16: 31 New
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    I really do not want the grandiose Russian actor to be in prison. I really do not want people who denounce lawlessness to regularly do horrific lawlessness themselves. I really do not want the elderly courier driver to die or remain disabled.
    An ordinary post, as I understand it, Margarita wants to express her wish that it would not be better. Neither the death of a person, nor that a drunk should die and get behind the wheel, but rather a sober one would play his roles. People have emotions, and he’ll get his nickel, don’t go to your grandmother.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 9 June 2020 16: 32 New
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    “It’s worth noting that in the“ creative elites ”people are already appearing who say something like the following: they don’t return the person (Sergei Zakharov), they say that it’s better for the actor to continue to play on stage, and the family of the deceased should be helped with money and hush up the case ... Such proposals are not called cynicism and an attempt to interpret the law "for themselves"

    And no wonder. In the "creative elites" and similar cesspools these days live ... There are no words ... What often I want them all in one echelon - and to mine the South Kuril Islands or collect scrap metal on Novaya Zemlya. For life.
  • credo
    credo 9 June 2020 16: 33 New
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    It seems that double No. 2 is waiting for us, not only with respect to a couple of drunk footballers whose pre-trial, judicial and colonial cases were informed to us almost every day from all the irons, but with respect to the “grandiose Russian actor”, who was notable for anything special on the Russian stage, but it seems that this is not required for the liberal public to firmly uphold its clan interests.
    Now we just have to wait for comments in defense of the "cheerful drunkard" from the "great Russian poet" Bykov and no less than the "great Russian poetry" Orlusha.
    1. Ravil_Asnafovich
      Ravil_Asnafovich 9 June 2020 16: 36 New
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      And this gave little.
      1. bk316
        bk316 9 June 2020 18: 10 New
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        And this gave little.

        Almost to the maximum .....
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 June 2020 17: 16 New
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      Quote: credo
      Now we just have to wait for comments in defense of the "cheerful drunkard" from the "great Russian poet" Bykov and no less than the "great Russian poetry" Orlusha.

      They will soon agree to the point that it is not M. Efremov who is to blame, but the deceased Sergei Zakharov.
      1. credo
        credo 9 June 2020 17: 25 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: credo
        Now we just have to wait for comments in defense of the "cheerful drunkard" from the "great Russian poet" Bykov and no less than the "great Russian poetry" Orlusha.

        They will soon agree to the point that it is not M. Efremov who is to blame, but the deceased Sergei Zakharov.

        Yes, who would doubt it.
        Here, for example: "Going into a bend, the dead Z. unexpectedly turned on the main beam and thereby blinded Mr. E. as a result of which Mr. E. was disoriented for a moment, did not fit into the turn and, due to the fault of the dead, Z. jumped into the oncoming lane where he collided with the latter. ".
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 June 2020 17: 45 New
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          Quote: credo
          "Going into a bend, the dead Z. unexpectedly turned on the high beam and thereby blinded Mr. E.

          Well, yes, how could Zakharov blind if E. was in the video behind and flew headlong to overtake. Started.
          1. bk316
            bk316 9 June 2020 18: 15 New
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            if in the video E. was behind

            Did you watch the video?
            About faraway, of course, stupidity, but E just drove right where the garden turned, didn’t go anywhere, just the bastard didn’t notice how the HEX road turned. I almost knocked down a motik in the left lane, drove into the oncoming lane without slowing down, drove to the middle row and made a lobovuha.
            There weren’t any chances at all, you’re going around Moscow in such a hurry in the middle row, and here you are .... in the forehead. Evil is not enough. am
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 9 June 2020 20: 54 New
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              "There weren’t any chances at all, you’re going around Moscow in such a hurry in the middle lane and here you’re coming .... on the forehead."
              I can’t stand this E on the spirit either as an artist or as a person. But I want to note that they don’t come from nowhere to the forehead. Do you yourself drive a car? And what, look right in front of you? You are a potential victim. The traffic flow must be seen all - in front, behind, right-left, passing, oncoming. The slightest deviations in the behavior of machines from formal logic, the brain must immediately identify and give an alarm. Then you have every chance to live to an experienced driver, like me, for example laughing I’m driving along Joburg past the Mayakovsky Central Park of Culture and Arts (if I’m not mistaken) on the street. Eastern, she is the Weavers, late evening, winter. Two lanes round trip. For 300-400 meters I see some kind of illogical "stirring" in the oncoming stream, I take it to the right, slow down. A car flies out from there, crosses my lane, ricochets against a lamppost and flies back into its stream, ramming a couple of people in no hurry. One and a half meters in front of my bumper flew. Nogvosib, Petukhov street, sort of. Day, summer. Three lanes in one direction, on the left - a tram. Food on average. The behavior of the car on the right at some point strained, weighed down to lag behind. He immediately makes a sharp turn to the left, where, in theory, I had to go, flies all the lanes, crashes into a running tram and flies off again to the right, on the sidewalk. If I were among those in no hurry, he could hit me twice. I have such cases since the 87th, when I began to drive actively, I can bring 1000. This I mean that driver Z was not lucky twice: 1. that this drunk man got in the way ... how would it be softer? Tolerast; 2. that the experience was not enough or the age failed - I’m one year younger, but I don’t feel as confident on the road as before. And would be in his place like I was 30-40 years old, in the evening I would drink tea from the Tula samovar. Unfortunately, with age, regardless of experience, we can no longer adequately respond to situations with the rapid development of events.
              1. bk316
                bk316 10 June 2020 14: 07 New
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                Do you yourself drive a car?

                More than 25 years. Under a million km mileage. Several tens of thousands of kilometers on the ground, rally raid Lapland. More than 600 thousand trouble-free. Enough?

                And now the situation. Moscow You eat in the middle row of the four rows (in each direction) and another row for the public. The speed is small, less than 60. The medium-density flow on the left rear of the car in the right row in the right row in the next row is a little in front of the car. A car comes to your forehead at a speed of a hundred from the middle of the oncoming traffic.
                - firstly, when you are traveling in a stream, you look at FOUR rows to the left. DO NOT LOOK - YOU simply do not have such roads.
                - secondly you are pressed both left and right, even if you notice something, there will be a delay in making a decision (twitch or not), because if you twitch, then maybe you will dodge, but you will be the culprit of the accident. Inexperienced drivers fight so when dodging dogs that run out, experienced just knock down.
                Thirdly, the speed is only about 50, while E has a hundred, even if you do not immediately react to speed, the maneuver is not enough.


                And never compare your driving experience in the provinces with Moscow. So those who come to Moscow see "stirring" for 300 and goof off simply because in Moscow there is always some illogical stirring within a radius of 300 meters. In this radius there are thousands of cars and just statistically there is a drunk, draftsman kettle, major, rabid taxi driver or PROVINCIAL. E-burg is still nothing, but when they come from Kandalaksha or Vladikavkaz and start to learn how to drive and then get behind the wheel - they look glassy, ​​they get confused in the pedals, they create an emergency every 100 meters.
  • Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 9 June 2020 16: 33 New
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    If they do, they won’t forgive the general public (people), time is not who remembers Makarevich now? And this is just for words.
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 9 June 2020 16: 55 New
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      What does Makar have to do with it?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 9 June 2020 16: 59 New
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        Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
        What does Makar have to do with it?

        Yes, the same as Efremov, writhing himself "moral authority and the conscience of the nation", just not asleep ...
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 9 June 2020 17: 21 New
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          Makar does not make anything up. He has his own opinion, different from the opinion of colleagues in the shop, looking into the mouth of the authorities in anticipation of nishtyaks for loyalty.
          1. Barmal
            Barmal 9 June 2020 17: 37 New
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            Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
            Makar does not make anything up. He has his own opinion, different from the opinion of colleagues in the shop, looking into the mouth of the authorities in anticipation of nishtyaks for loyalty.

            You do not mean a reward from the Kremlin? For merit? Not?
            1. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 9 June 2020 17: 42 New
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              It was a matter, it was, I do not argue. But a comrade is talking about the period of the disgrace of Makar. It is not permissible, they say, to have an opinion different from the opinion of wise men from power.
              1. Barmal
                Barmal 9 June 2020 17: 44 New
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                Well, when Andryusha called the Russians shit, then what else is your evidence?
                1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                  Dr. Frankenstucker 9 June 2020 17: 56 New
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                  and the authorities have other epithets for the people?
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 9 June 2020 18: 17 New
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                    and the authorities have other epithets for the people?

                    But Makar is already power, have I missed something? Run for president? Headed the party?
                    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                      Dr. Frankenstucker 9 June 2020 18: 23 New
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                      Quote: bk316
                      But Makar is already power, have I missed something?


                      You missed the point of my remark on your comment.
                      1. bk316
                        bk316 9 June 2020 18: 33 New
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                        Maybe. Got upset. When such dummies like Makar or this drunk begin to consider themselves to be an elite, it immediately begins to seem to them as the next step that they are untouchable. And then immediately from them their essence is th ... I begin to shout. Someone's tongue is unleashed at someone while drinking.
                      2. Andrey VOV
                        Andrey VOV 9 June 2020 18: 42 New
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                        No one wondered why in the 80s the time machine and in films and tours and concerts and records? In my opinion everything is clear ... and somewhere the cardboard dad is gathering dust ..
                      3. Dr. Frankenstucker
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                        Does Makar consider himself untouchable? Did he do something illegal? Ah, yes, thought crime ...
                      4. Brancodd
                        Brancodd 9 June 2020 19: 51 New
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                        This Makar actually already said an article and more than one. For example, Article 280.1. Public calls for the implementation of actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.
                      5. Dr. Frankenstucker
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                        when he "publicly called" to
                        Quote: Brancodd
                        to carry out actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.

                        ?
                      6. Brancodd
                        Brancodd 9 June 2020 21: 39 New
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                        Repeatedly called Crimea "Ukrainian." In an interview with Ukrainian journalists, he said that Russia needs to “return” Crimea to Ukraine
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  • edmed
    edmed 9 June 2020 16: 34 New
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    Hmm ... "A cockerel praises a cuckoo, but something he praises a cockerel," in his cube.
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      The moderator cut off, an important part, censorship ... recourse
  • ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 9 June 2020 16: 36 New
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    It is worth noting that in the "creative elites" there are already people who say something like the following: they don’t return the person (Sergei Zakharov), they say that it’s better for the actor to continue to play on stage, and the family of the deceased can help with money and hush up business ... Such proposals cannot be called cynicism or an attempt to interpret the law "for oneself." They are all there. They are smeared with oil that democrats, communists, liberals. They are all for justice only when it is not personally addressed to them. The kingdom you heaven love you Sergey, and rest in peace. The culprit of the accident, should definitely be in prison.
  • Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin 9 June 2020 16: 37 New
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    E-mine, 2,1 ppm ... Half the members of the forum would die from such a dose
  • knn54
    knn54 9 June 2020 16: 37 New
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    They put Michal Mikhalych in the hospital. The relatives of the deceased driver are "persuaded" not to make a claim.
    The final word is up to the court, not the public.
    And after all, they knew that he was drinking. Obviously they stopped him drunk more than once at the wheel. He pushed aside and drove on. Hence the confidence in impunity.
    The opinion of colleagues, in particular Nikita Dzhigurdy, is inaudible.
    1. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 9 June 2020 17: 02 New
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      Quote: knn54
      They put Michal Mikhalych in the hospital. The relatives of the deceased driver are "persuaded" not to make a claim.

      most likely it will be. they will give a maximum of a couple of years of settlement
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 9 June 2020 16: 38 New
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    Now let him raise the culture in the zone and organize a prison theater there. He strove for this for a long time.
  • 1536
    1536 9 June 2020 16: 39 New
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    Grandiose! It turns out that in Russia there is a people consisting of people, for example, ordinary Ryazan elderly men who drive anything horrible past Moscow buildings. And even these people where they want, they work there, where they want, they live there. It turns out that they, impudent and impudent, dare to interfere with the "grandiose artists" and their grandiose hangers-on in Moscow in the evening.
    1. Polente the Wanderer
      Polente the Wanderer 9 June 2020 17: 04 New
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      To a greater extent interfere with officials, children of officials, wealthy, those who can smear their
  • opuonmed
    opuonmed 9 June 2020 16: 40 New
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    swollen done things must answer if they start to anoint him then this is not the state but zilch
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 9 June 2020 16: 44 New
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    in Russia there was already a case when a writer in a similar case was released from prison ... he was a specialist in distorting Russian history .. I can’t remember his name ... but he was sober behind the wheel ...
    1. Brancodd
      Brancodd 9 June 2020 19: 53 New
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      Radzinsky.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 June 2020 16: 49 New
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    Efrem assassin must be in prison.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 9 June 2020 16: 51 New
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    Drunk driving, accident with the deceased: article, court, prison. Everything is clear and understandable, and not what Simonyan and others want. The actor may be a good one, but there should be no options.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 9 June 2020 17: 09 New
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      Actor can and good
      I know one Austrian artist. Who knows the artist, maybe a good one ...
      Where is the line? Here is the actor, and here is the killer!
      1. Wedmak
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        The line appears when, through the fault of the artist or actor, a person dies. Is this not enough for you?
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 9 June 2020 19: 59 New
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          Is this not enough for you?
          For me personally, more than enough. I am talking about those who talk about the "actor". It doesn’t matter who the person is by profession or other. It turns out that officials and actors can crush people.
    2. Andrey.AN
      Andrey.AN 9 June 2020 17: 15 New
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      If the judge takes into account circumstances, such as the unauthorized organization of mass media by persecuting a drunken scorcher, then there should be options, some of the materials in the media came from employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs - that is, they already carried out the punishment, as the pre-trial detention center is taken into account. The investigation must still find out all the circumstances, if there were passengers, their role.
  • Alex 2020
    Alex 2020 9 June 2020 16: 56 New
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    It doesn’t matter who you are — the clown, the president, etc. .. First of all, you must be a person and be responsible for your actions under the law.
  • Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 9 June 2020 17: 01 New
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    All fatal accidents should be classified as murder, injuries with injuries as attempted murder. Everyone should answer, BUT those who to some extent have related or other connections in government structures are constantly exempted from responsibility.
    The court, in the course of the reconsideration of the case (the first sentence was appealed by the relatives of the women victims of the accident), sentenced Anna Shavenkova to 2,5 years in a penal colony with a delay in the execution of the sentence until March 6, 2024, until her child reaches the age of 14.
    In the Irkutsk Region, on the amnesty for the Victory Day, the daughter of the former chairman of the regional election committee, Anna Shavenkova, who shot down two women on the sidewalk, one of whom died, was released from criminal liability, the local news agency Irkutsk Online
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      Quote: Wanderer Polente

      In the Irkutsk Region, on the amnesty for the Victory Day, the daughter of the former chairman of the regional election committee, Anna Shavenkova, who shot down two women on the sidewalk, one of whom died, was released from criminal liability, the local news agency Irkutsk Online

      Oh, comrade, for me, as a person from this field, this is a clear example for life of our state system. Despite her behavior during the accident (I have not seen such cynicism in my life), a person did not sit in jail for a day. And there 1 person died, the second disabled person until the end of his life.
      1. Mordvin 3
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        Despite her accident behavior (I have never seen such cynicism in my life)

        Passers-by are also good.
    2. Alexey Z
      Alexey Z 9 June 2020 18: 18 New
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      Well, if such a moron drives into you and dies, will you also be judged for murder?
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  • Mitya2424
    Mitya2424 9 June 2020 17: 05 New
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    The worst thing is that our “most humane” person, taking into account active repentance and positive characteristics from the place of work, will sentence this killer to the lower limit, i.e. FIVE years of imprisonment, of which he will spend 1 year in the heat of the club, because He will be credited with 2-3 years of house arrest, and of course UDO .... And, which is typical, everything is in strict accordance with the letter of the law
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      Andrey VOV 9 June 2020 18: 44 New
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      Nonsense .. don’t say that anymore
  • Indifferent
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    The noise has risen! So Efremov sit! Another thing is that not for long. They will carry several suitcases of green cut paper and release them on parole. We know how to do it! Well, the fact that Liberda High raises, that the "damned" power of "great" people is planting, then this is unconditional. They are "moon-faced" and with blue blood. They sit nizya! But only Efremov, released on a subscription basis, may not survive to prison. With grief, it will now begin to whip so that health is not enough. So for his personal health it would be much more useful to stay in jail. And a year there goes in two, as in Kamchatka. And then the prison would cure him of alcoholism. You look and he would have lived more. Indeed, the next time KAMAZ can meet him.
  • Gardamir
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    Cool, and more recently, this Simonyan was untwisted as the most important patriot of Russia.
    And Efremov should be in prison.
    And these actresses. when Brezhnev wanted to rehabilitate Stalin in 1968, the actresses began to write letters, even those who had received the Stalin Prize at one time.
    Do not forget now is not a state of workers and peasants. Now the merchants rule, and the serving jesters are held in high esteem.
    1. Bolo
      Bolo 9 June 2020 17: 35 New
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      This simonyan is still that agent of influence! The one who put this two-faced toad in this place is playing a game against Russia ...
      1. Overlock
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        Quote: Bolo
        The one who put this two-faced toad in this place is playing a game against Russia ...

        Since its founding in 2005 Since its founding in 2005, Russia Today (now RT), the first Russian information channel to broadcast in English around the clock, has been its editor-in-chief [25]. She took this post at the age of 25 years [26]. (now RT), the first Russian news channel broadcasting in English around the clock, is its editor in chief. She took this post at the age of 25 years.
        RT is funded from the federal budget of the Russian Federation.
    2. Tank hard
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      Quote: Gardamir
      Cool, and more recently, this Simonyan was untwisted as the most important patriot of Russia.
      And Efremov should be in prison.
      And these actresses. when Brezhnev wanted to rehabilitate Stalin in 1968, the actresses began to write letters, even those who had received the Stalin Prize at one time.
      Do not forget now is not a state of workers and peasants. Now the merchants rule, and the serving jesters are held in high esteem.

      Plus, unconditionally.
    3. your1970
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      It's cool, and more recently, this Simonyan was untwisted as the most important patriot of Russia ..
      -you read carefully didn’t try - what exactly did she write !!!!!
      “I really do not want the grandiose Russian actor to be in prison.” - she regrets that Efremov will sit down (this is a matter of taste, he is great or so-so)
      "I really don't want toTo convicts of lawlessnessthemselves regularly terrifying lawlessness did."-she is against that Efremov convicts everyone and everything - he himself would do lawlessness. Is this your bad?
      “I really do not want the elderly courier driver to die or remain disabled.” - she pities the deceased driver.
      What is it here NOT patriotism?
      1. really
        really 9 June 2020 18: 28 New
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        It is one thing to read, another to understand what is read.
      2. aviator6768
        aviator6768 9 June 2020 21: 31 New
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        This is called a “chatter” problem. Let the law - to blame? Yes ! Need to answer? Yes ! Otherwise, why all these amendments, the constitution in general, and especially - zeroing. here it is necessary to reset all to a salary of 12 thousand ...
    4. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 9 June 2020 21: 11 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      Cool, and more recently, this Simonyan was untwisted as the most important patriot of Russia.

      that's it. This habalk from some hangover was appointed plenipotentiary of the "Russian world". She is a frustratingly limited talking head, which, outside the officialdom of the RT, carries such game that the outcome of the notorious “information war”, about which citizens who imagine themselves as hyperpatriots love to mutter, is quite clear. This "slightly pregnant" matron patriotism, frankly, causes nothing but irritation.
    5. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 9 June 2020 22: 56 New
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      In the legal sense, no one condemned Stalin, so we could only talk about political rehabilitation. But neither Brezhnev nor Suslov wanted this. In fact, in 1957 they helped Khrushchev in the work of the so-called "anti-party group." Moreover, the decisions of the 20 and 22 party congresses could only be canceled by the party congress.
  • iouris
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    This is worse than what happened recently "once in America." The black man killed by the policeman, a US citizen, was buried as a national hero in the "golden coffin." This is impossible with us. I suggest fans of the "grandiose actor", a chronic alcoholic who has not dried up for twenty years, either on stage or behind the wheel, repeatedly "washed" from similar crimes by a repeat offender, and part-time a prominent representative of the "elite", raise money for a "golden coffin" and bury him morally the killer. Let the dead bury their dead.
    A person cannot be returned. In view of the fact that the victims, most likely, cannot count on compensation for moral damage, a fundraiser should be organized in their favor.
  • Dmitriy Zadorozhniy
    Dmitriy Zadorozhniy 9 June 2020 17: 11 New
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    The law is harsh, but it is the law! On the bunks, fuck the balance.
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      with his money-balance fool
    2. iouris
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      On the bunks, fuck the balance.

      It is known: the severity of laws is compensated by the non-bindingness of their implementation. If this chronic alcoholic motorist belongs to the "elite", then even more so (Mara Baghdasaryan, Shamsuarov ...)
      He said (drunk) that he had "a lot of money." Attention is the question: what will he spend money on very expensive lawyers or on payment of monetary compensation for moral damage and material damage to the relatives of the murdered? See for yourself.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 June 2020 17: 11 New
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    A drunkard and a killer. His house is a prison!
  • yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 9 June 2020 17: 11 New
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    Here, one does not have to be a clairvoyant to understand that this is not his first time driving a car in a state of non-standing, this is an overwhelming arrogance and disregard for the laws, plus the fact that he is completely confident in his impunity and unties his hands and throats into which they are without measure pour alcohol and allow themselves various other abominations. This is what you need to be d ......... m, so that in such a state with such heavy traffic to drive?
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      you have to be a fool, so that you don’t have a personal carrier with such money
  • Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 9 June 2020 17: 12 New
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    Well, no matter how 58 years old - really not a boy, but he doesn’t even pull on the old man ... And who is this Efremov?
  • shubin
    shubin 9 June 2020 17: 14 New
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    Efremov, of course, is an eccentric with the letter “m”, but his words are: “Actor Mikhail Efremov asked to be judged by law and is ready for a real prison term for an accident in a drunken state and death of a person,” said his colleague, actor of the Sovremennik Theater "Ivan Stebunov, who was in the scene of an accident, writes" Komsomolskaya Pravda. " Well, as it really will be, we'll see.
    1. Sergey269
      Sergey269 9 June 2020 17: 47 New
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      Regardless of the title of "Honored Artist", definitely, he is a CRIMINAL! He killed a man, he brought unsolvable problems to the family, for the family - this is a tragedy! Why is he better than the MAN he killed? By the fact that he scrambled eggs on the stage, starred in the movie, signed up for liberals? Yes, practically, all these "clowns from IZZUZDVA" must be quarantined in Solovki! For some, for the time of self-isolation, the servants have nothing to support, for someone, when drunk, it’s expensive to call a taxi ... And he killed the MAN who kept the family, injecting “25” hours a day! They write, let’s throw ourselves off, help the family of the murdered one, and let the murderer atone for his sin on the stage, let's forgive ... People, are you out of your mind? I went through three wars. They killed me, I killed ... Pleasures, and especially the prosperity I didn’t get from my work ... Retired Colonel. But, understand, it's time to put an end to this disgrace, when even clowns we must be afraid!
    2. Peter is not the first
      Peter is not the first 9 June 2020 18: 14 New
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      Regardless of what he is now declaring, after some time, he will suddenly find himself with a “heart attack” during a long-term treatment in London. And there he will declare political repression against him and receive protection from the "liberal and democratic" west.
  • Lontus
    Lontus 9 June 2020 17: 14 New
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    On the bunks of an ever-drunk clown !!
  • Nikolay87
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    They will be sentenced for merit for 6 years, 4 of them conditionally and from the remaining 2 years they will sit for six months and will be remanded in parole for good behavior. wassat Or amnesty on the occasion of the 75th anniversary of victory. hi
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 9 June 2020 17: 16 New
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    grand actor

    the actor is better off, they say, continue to play on stage, and the family of the deceased - to help with money and hush up the matter

    Yeah:

    "Viru" to the prince - two hundred sheep;

    "Golovnichestvo" to the relatives of the deceased - a dozen / two sheep;

    A "lesson" to the owner of the slaughtered slave (in modern terminology: the employer of the deceased) - let eighty sheep.

    Total - three hundred sheep and go look for the next victim.

    Century of history we lived in vain, to build at least something fair, society did not work out with us?
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 9 June 2020 20: 04 New
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      at least fair, society did not work out with us?
      To leave, it turned out, but then they explained to everyone that we are all bee-poor, but if we abandon socialism, we will immediately become merchants and princes.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 9 June 2020 21: 23 New
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        Quote: Gardamir
        To leave, it turned out, but then they explained to everyone that we are all bee-poor, but if we abandon socialism, we will immediately become merchants and princes.

        No, we didn’t even roll back to the princes. Then it was possible to at least choose the relatives of the murdered — the right to blood feud or vira-golovnichestvo-lesson. Now, it seems, without a choice.
        And even earlier, the nobility had the whole estate and the whole family on their land, basically, and if an enemy went to protect their land together with some people, they knew. And today, the adversary’s share of our nobility’s property is considerable, and their children / grandchildren live hostage at the adversary. Here, if an enemy posits itself to the Russian land, its people, it will also be necessary to count - it’s profitable, al no, to resist the reproached adversary. That is, the difference is with the times of princes.
  • Barmal
    Barmal 9 June 2020 17: 23 New
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    For the system there will be a test for the impartiality and inevitability of the law for a cheerful drunkard.
    1. Normal ok
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      For the system there will be a test for the impartiality and inevitability of the law for a cheerful drunkard.

      For the "system" he is nobody. Moreover, I read abusive verses about Putin. Therefore, they will be punished as expected. Now, if an official arranged such an accident, then there would be a test for impartiality. Although how many such tests have already failed, you can’t count.
  • 5-9
    5-9 9 June 2020 17: 26 New
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    What the hell ???? He never drank alcohol in life!
    Only sleeping pills ... because I couldn’t sleep because Kay-G-Be and F-S-Be-heiress of K-G-B tortured the country .... and so that K-G-B and F-S-Be - the successor Kay-GB did not guess, for half a century he poured sleeping pills into bottles from under vodka, cognac, brandy, sherry, mezcal, absinthe, rum and even moonshine!
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 9 June 2020 17: 27 New
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    = I really do not want a grandiose Russian actor to be in prison. =
    I read these lines, I'm sitting, trying to remember films with his participation, I can’t remember a single one.
    The following people come to mind: Shukshin, with his Kalina Red, Bondarchuk with his Fate of a Man. one really wants to write the word man with a capital letter, Smoktunovsky "Primordial Russia", "Dead Souls", Ulyanov in the roles of Zhukov, Zharov with his Aniskin, Lavrov "Taming of Fire". Yes, all will take a long time to list, Efremov, father, I remember - "Three poplars on Plyushchikha", "Watch out for the car." Efremov, son, - I do not remember.
    I see with Simonyan, in this matter, different preferences.
    Drinking at the wheel is an aggravating circumstance. According to law. Without any emollients.
    1. Sergey269
      Sergey269 9 June 2020 17: 44 New
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      Regardless of the title of "Honored Artist", definitely, he is a CRIMINAL! He killed a man, he brought unsolvable problems to the family, for the family - this is a tragedy! Why is he better than the MAN he killed? By the fact that he scrambled eggs on the stage, starred in the movie, signed up for liberals? Yes, practically, all these "clowns from IZZUZDVA" must be quarantined in Solovki! For some, for the time of self-isolation, the servants have nothing to support, for someone, when drunk, it’s expensive to call a taxi ... And he killed the MAN who kept the family, injecting “25” hours a day! They write, let’s throw ourselves off, help the family of the murdered one, and let the murderer atone for his sin on the stage, let's forgive ... People, are you out of your mind? I went through three wars. They killed me, I killed ... Pleasures, and especially the prosperity I didn’t get from my work ... Retired Colonel. But, understand, it's time to put an end to this disgrace, when even clowns we must be afraid!
    2. Dikson
      Dikson 9 June 2020 17: 54 New
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      Well, how is it, Krasnoyarsk .. He also played our land in an episode in "9th company" ... Dembel, whose board on the take-off spirits were filled up ...
      1. your1970
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        "Border. Taiga novel" - a completely realistic captain-gouging played
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 9 June 2020 19: 25 New
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        Quote: Dikson
        Well, how is it, Krasnoyarsk .. He also played our land in an episode in "9th company" ... Dembel, whose board on the take-off spirits were filled up ...

        Well, I'm sorry to see such a role as "outstanding" that I somehow did not notice.
        hi
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        and now he "disgraced" the land ...
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    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 9 June 2020 17: 57 New
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      Quote: Sergey269
      definitely he is a CRIMINAL! He killed a man, he brought unsolvable problems to the family, for the family - it is a tragedy! ... it's time to put an end to this disgrace, when we should be afraid of even clowns!

      He became a criminal when drunk behind the wheel climbed, with no options. My comrade in Norway was famously convicted and imprisoned for trying to get closer to management - a threat to the lives of other people. This ghoul of Man killed, all merits do not count
  • Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 9 June 2020 17: 29 New
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    grandiose Russian actor

    What is grandiose in it? Cuckoo praises a rooster .....?
    One of the many thousands of actors, the lucky ones, who made their way upstairs thanks to my father's ties, etc. His job is to entertain us, not to kill on a booze.
    1. Sergey269
      Sergey269 9 June 2020 21: 39 New
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      That's right, only one moment begs. Our locksmith (If he really is a locksmith), came, made and left. Everyone is happy, and the locksmith and the customer! A bad locksmith will come, you will not let him on the threshold again! What the hell, I ask you, we put up with all this muck, why the Ministry of Culture does not drive these black sheep from the feeder? But in the feeder our taxes, our money with you!
  • Asad
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    Bochkareva from the series Happy Together, received a condition for cocaine, although there was noise.
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 9 June 2020 17: 44 New
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      The usual judicial practice for those caught for the first time, without marketing, with good social status.
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    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 9 June 2020 17: 47 New
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      Quote: ASAD
      Bochkareva from the series Happy Together, received a condition for cocaine, although there was noise.

      The fine was awarded at 30 thousand rubles, and all cases. request
    3. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 9 June 2020 19: 12 New
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      if she was under coke, God forbid, killed someone with her escalade - it would be different.
      Although...
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    5. Nikolay87
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      Yes, the whole of Moscow sits on a coconut, but what about Moscow, all who have fewer little babosiki found. Here is Efremov’s blood in alcohol! and drugs found.
  • Dr. Frankenstucker
    Dr. Frankenstucker 9 June 2020 17: 39 New
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    Why did this habalka Simonyan speak out, and not Mrs. Zakharova? The accident happened opposite her department in Smolenka. As a well-known liberal, Manya must defend "artisto grandioso." And with her swaggering attitude towards “ordinary Russians,” it’s clear that Ryazan killed by this goat is nobody for her. Plebeian.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 9 June 2020 18: 46 New
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      Manya <...> with her swaggering attitude to "ordinary Russians"

      Something passed me by. Will you remind? Or are you lying?
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 9 June 2020 19: 09 New
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        Something passed me by.


        Her interview with Zygar. Her complaints that traveling abroad became accessible to the plebs. Like, the people imagines themselves to be the middle class. But you should not - you need to know your place.
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          Comrade, well, a reference should be, well ... wink
          1. Dr. Frankenstucker
            Dr. Frankenstucker 9 June 2020 20: 56 New
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            https://youtu.be/HDDuwk8qKwI
            1. Nikolay87
              Nikolay87 9 June 2020 21: 09 New
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              In fact, she talks about air travel in a pandemic and the effects of mass transportation. https://youtu.be/HDDuwk8qKwI?t=956 (timing set). Learn to identify the main thing in the conversation, and not evaluate by words taken out of context.
              1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                Dr. Frankenstucker 9 June 2020 21: 49 New
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                Learn to identify the main thing in a conversation


                You see particular. You see, Manya is an apologist for caste, she doesn’t hide this very much. One must be a blind man in order not to notice her sympathy for class segregation - listen to her interview in the archives of Echo of Moscow - a liberal who turned out to be the will of her career in that state institute and in that position where Voltaireism and departure from manuals are unacceptable. This connoisseur of cigars would look much more harmonious in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of some villain Kozyrev, and with the same enthusiasm and irony would plebe on Twitter why they should give the Kuriles to the Japanese, the shelf to the norgs and remove the term "national interests" from the lexicon of diplomats. However, her current tendencies are also high - society has collapsed into plebeians and patricians. And the bronze-like tvaps like it just want nonsense - to place markers and show the plebs its place. In addition to the nobless nobility of the “talking head,” she also loves the current regime because she hates the very idea of ​​the middle class.
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                  In those 30 minutes I didn’t hear any signs of segregation .. but you give me a reference, I’ll study (it became interesting). All the same, she grew up in the late Soviet Union, where does the love for classiness come from ?! Rather, it is a longing for traditions, or upbringing with a graded clear gradation of the necessary efforts to achieve certain results can. In general, if it’s not difficult, give a link, otherwise you won’t reconsider everything on the Internet with Zakharova.
                  1. Dr. Frankenstucker
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                    All the same, she grew up in the late Soviet Union, where does the love for classiness come from ?!

                    Are you so naive She is from an intelligent family of a diplomat, she studied at MGIMO - this says, if not everything, then a lot. She was born with an elite spoon in her mouth, what does the "late Soviet Union" have to do with it? You are talking about him as about the era of the Late Dzemon) When Soviet citizens looked at dental floss with holy trepidation or chased scandalous scrap metal from Poland, she was already rubbing herself in circles that knew a lot about nishtyak in a consumer society and looked down on people not in her circle. And he continues to do so. She, of course, is not an ordinary dumb conformist, no. Apparently, she has some utilitarian talents. Although, frankly, I did not see absolutely any talent for rhetoric in this interview.
                    She is an ordinary hypocritical mimicroid, crawled out into the media tops solely due to the total information mess and the demand of the manipulated audience for some creature from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs ("preferably a woman"), which in an ironic and accessible manner would say nice things in the spirit of campaigns of the Cold War times " She, like her colleague in the workshop, Shorty Shapiro (aka Soloviev) pray for the immortality and irremovability of Putin. Only in his shadow are they interesting. Outside - the usual obese party.
                    1. Nikolay87
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                      Are you so naive

                      I assumed. I wrote that I’m not following her activities. And where she comes from, where she studied and in which family I don’t really care about yet, I’m interested in what she says. I understood your relationship with her from a previous post. And I didn’t wait for references to the love of class. request
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
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          Her interview with Zygar

          Leafing through, leafing through - not found. Still lying?
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            Dr. Frankenstucker 10 June 2020 09: 55 New
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            Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Leafing through, leafing through - not found.


            I’m not going to chew for a crab fan club. Listen - and yes hear. Or not.
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              Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 June 2020 22: 05 New
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              Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
              for manin fan club

              I’m not interested in old women, I prefer girls of their age. It offends me for the truth.
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                Dr. Frankenstucker 12 June 2020 09: 11 New
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                Ok, take an interest in Buzova, no one forbids.
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                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 12 June 2020 13: 14 New
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                  Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                  be interested in Buzova

                  For the sake of your wife I will make an exception
  • Captan78
    Captan78 9 June 2020 17: 43 New
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    Citizen Vasilyeva, who misled citizen Serdyukov, I remember I went to the colony .... And then I left))) Is the law the same for everyone?
  • Million
    Million 9 June 2020 17: 44 New
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    It’s Russia, which became Asiope (s), where laws are applied very selectively
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 9 June 2020 17: 46 New
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    And here is the "native Muscovite" opened her face. They think that everything and everyone can be bought, you are mistaken ... negative

    It is worth noting that in the "creative elites" there are already people who say something like the following: they don’t return the person (Sergei Zakharov), they say that it’s better for the actor to continue to play on stage, and the family of the deceased can help with money and hush up business ... Such proposals cannot be called cynicism and an attempt to interpret the law "for oneself"
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 9 June 2020 17: 48 New
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    I think that drunk actors will not lose us. But ordinary normal people will always be missed.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 9 June 2020 17: 48 New
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    Makar does not make anything up. He has his own opinion, different from the opinion of colleagues in the shop, looking into the mouth of the authorities in anticipation of nishtyaks for loyalty.

    Makar does not make up. He is indignant.))) Commercial interests in Crimea suffered. He also thought that he was untouchable.
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 9 June 2020 17: 51 New
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    Let us miss my personal attitude to Efremov (which consists in the fact that as an actor he is talent, and as a person - shit). Efremov has committed a crime and must answer according to the law.

    Nevertheless, it’s obvious that the propaganda boxers and the Kremlin jackets, all these thick - litters - Scabeevs - Volodinas, got excited just because Efremov read funny poems about Putin and his thieving officials as part of the Citizen-Poet project.



    I don’t think that in the competencies of Volodin, Peskov and others in general, to go nose in an accident investigation and to crow something about Efremov there. Let them leave the Kremlin apparatus, go to work in the traffic police, and then go on the screens with their statements.

    Besides, I wanted to ask where they were all when other officials crushed the “drunken boys”? When do Russians from the southernmost regions of our homeland crush schoolgirls?
  • Tagan
    Tagan 9 June 2020 17: 53 New
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    Well, no matter how 58 years old - really not a boy, but he doesn’t even pull on the old man ... And who is this Efremov?

    Yes, people talk, drunk
  • Dikson
    Dikson 9 June 2020 17: 58 New
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    Why in VO these articles about a drunken actor? Is he a military man? Does it affect the defense capability of our homeland, starring in the role of military commissar in a clip with Agutin about military service in the border troops? What are you discussing here that is already clear? He will pay off. Friends will help. Here the court will be - then we will discuss ... Maybe ..
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      Tank hard 9 June 2020 18: 03 New
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      Why in VO these articles about a drunken actor? Is he a military man?

      This may crush the military, if not punished. hi
      1. really
        really 9 June 2020 19: 56 New
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        Ie if not a military, then not so scary?
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 9 June 2020 20: 16 New
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          Quote: really
          Ie if not a military, then not so scary?

          You really do not understand what I, or so, to troll? laughing
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            really 9 June 2020 20: 45 New
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            Honestly, no. But I know that if you put on a civilian uniform, he looks like a military man, if you take off his uniform from a military man he looks civilian, and you can mix them up at all in a bathhouse. fellow
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 9 June 2020 21: 21 New
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              Honestly, no.

              I explained to a person about what you did when he asked a question about what the military and the incident with Efremov have to do with it. hi
    2. iouris
      iouris 9 June 2020 18: 08 New
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      Quote: Dikson
      Why in VO these articles about a drunken actor? Is he a military man? Affects the defense of our country

      It affects defense ability for a long time and actively: it educates the "defenders of our Motherland": they take an example from him and his heroes!
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        really 9 June 2020 20: 51 New
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        I remember such defenders when the discussed and condemned only finished the theater, and the soldiers brought and carried them out of service, more often they carried them out.
    3. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 10 June 2020 12: 57 New
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      Why in VO these articles about a drunken actor?

      Little sracha, hype, emotions.
  • bar
    bar 9 June 2020 18: 02 New
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    Are we already starting to discuss the discussions? Have come ... sad
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      really 9 June 2020 19: 57 New
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      It is always the most interesting
  • Catfish
    Catfish 9 June 2020 18: 07 New
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    I do not believe in Basmanny justice, I do not believe the authorities, not a single word. They will pull out this court jester, because they all go to the same taverns, sleep with some women and everything is tied up there.