The network was outraged by the words of Margarita Simonyan about Efremov and the driver who died in an accident

The network is actively discussing the reaction to an accident that was made intoxicated by Mikhail Efremov. Recall that the fault of Efremov, who got drunk behind the wheel of a car, killed 58-year-old driver Sergei Zakharov from Ryazan.

One of the last, most hotly debated topics - statements on the network made by the chief editor of RT Margarita Simonyan. Simonyan made several posts on Twitter, which caused widespread public outcry and outrage.

One of the posts:

I really do not want the grandiose Russian actor to be in prison. I really do not want people who denounce lawlessness to regularly do horrific lawlessness themselves. I really do not want the elderly courier driver to die or remain disabled.

The users were affected by the use of the term “middle-aged” in relation to the 58-year-old driver who died due to the fault of Efremov.

A few hours later Margarita Simonyan published a post on Twitter asking the team to find the bank card details of the “family of citizen Zakharov from Ryazan”. This post received a considerable number of negative comments, as it contained the following words:

... who worked as a shift worker in Moscow, lived in a rented apartment with other hard workers of the same kind, did not like Moscow and longed that "life made me work away from my relatives when I was old."

The most harmless answer to this tweet can be considered as a reminder from users to Margarita Simonyan that she herself is “as if not a native Muscovite”.

Meanwhile, the blood alcohol content of the “grandiose Russian actor” was announced on the network (it was a quote from Simonyan). According to the latest data, this content amounted to 2,1 ppm.

In the subject - from an earlier broadcast of the interview with Efremov Dudu:

It is worth noting that in the "creative elites" there are already people who say something like the following: they don’t return the person (Sergey Zakharov), they say, it’s better for the actor to continue to play on stage, and the family of the deceased can help with money and hush up business ... Such proposals cannot be called cynicism and an attempt to interpret the law "for oneself"

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[Andrey VOV]

Committed a crime, it doesn’t matter who you are, you must answer, this is democracy, and not what it is now.

[Valery Valery]

Efremov ?! To jail!!

[Bashkirkhan]

Now the whole party will scream that he is terminally ill and will not be able to sit in a penal colony without a booze.

[Lexus]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Now the whole party will scream that he is terminally ill and will not be able to sit in a penal colony without a booze.

a person (Sergei Zakharov), they say, it's still not possible to return, the actor is better, they say, it is still better not to return, the actor is better, they say, to continue to play on stage, and the family of the deceased is to help with money and hush up the case ... Such proposals are different how not to call it cynicism and an attempt to interpret the law "for oneself"

You seem to be from another planet. I remind you with regret that in modern Russia the "gilded with platinum tint" pseudo-elites are, in fact, above the Law. Whether you are a corrupt judge, a thieving policeman, a drunken actor, or just a major, there is unconditional "guild discipline" everywhere. All other resonant accidents - were there really few of them - an example.

[Bashkirkhan]

Nevertheless, the earth is round. On May 20, 2005, in Moscow, the eldest son of the Minister of Defense Alexander Ivanov, right at the traffic lights, crushed 66-year-old Svetlana Beridze to death. On November 21, 2005, he was found not guilty.
November 3, 2014 in Dubai (UAE) Alexander Ivanov drowned near the beach between the Mina ASalam and Burj Al Arab hotels.

[mmaxx]

Yet then, it seems, it was not so. On the contrary, people went out where it is impossible to cross. In the dark. And the speed allowed there was great.
For prescription I can not say. But apparently there anyone could crush.

[New Year day]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

May 20, 2005 in Moscow, the eldest son of the Minister of Defense Alexander Ivanov directly

so then the SON of the Minister of Defense and St. Petersburg Ivanov! Did you catch it?

[Maximilian37]

Bad example. 9 years he lived for his pleasure and mind you not in prison. Kara must be instant. But usually those who have money and connections, karma bypasses

[RUSS]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Nevertheless, the earth is round. On May 20, 2005, in Moscow, the eldest son of the Minister of Defense Alexander Ivanov, right at the traffic lights, crushed 66-year-old Svetlana Beridze to death. On November 21, 2005, he was found not guilty.
November 3, 2014 in Dubai (UAE) Alexander Ivanov drowned near the beach between the Mina ASalam and Burj Al Arab hotels.

He drowned saving his daughter

[Machito]

A good actor Efremov - a good term and a good zone. But let him act in films in the camp, it will work out naturally.

[113262a]

The devil also needs someone to play!

[demo]

It is evident that the Almighty had more important matters.
For a long time, evil spirits roamed the earth.

[bk316]

I remind you with regret that in modern Russia the "gilded with platinum tint" pseudo-elites are, in fact, above the Law.

Well, remind me of Kokorin. Strongly he rose above the Fa.
We bet that he will receive a real term and sit at least 5 years old, which is almost everything at his age.

[Lexus]

Well, remind me of Kokorin. Strongly he rose above the Fa.

It is called, "I heard the ringing, but did not understand where he is." You obviously forgot who Kokorin and Mamaev mutuzit? That this was far from an ordinary official? In a different scenario, they would have gotten away with everything 100%, or there would have been a man who, on the contrary, fucked them up, then he would have been jailed.
You from the note by Sylvester, apparently, have not learned anything. Let me explain - there the maximum possible return can be only ~ 9 billion cubic meters per year. And how much was needed - remember?

We bet that he will receive a real term and sit at least 5 years old, which is almost everything at his age.

Deserved - let him sit. But, at least, he immediately admitted his guilt, and did not play around, look for a "drunk boy", and pay a suspension of punishment for 16 years, unlike other murderers close to the power behind the wheel ..

[bk316]

It is called, "I heard the ringing, but did not understand where he is."

Will we merge or argue?

[Lexus]

In order to discuss facts, you need to, and you have the principle of shouting exclusively at the crowd. I am not a bazaar woman to communicate in this vein.

WELL AND HOW DO THE TRILLIONS Receive?
Maximum IF THERE IS AT ALL gas there is no pipe cost .....

Are we counting? The cost of pumping stations, design and survey, construction work and much, much more, you simply chose to ignore. Royalty, excise taxes and taxes, after all, it is not necessary to pay "national property" with your lamentations? In total, only the starting lot, according to the estimates of the very same "Gazprom" (the cost of "impotence of Siberia") has already amounted to 1,1 trillion "wooden" and tends to further increase ... Here read and challenge motivated.
https://www.rbc.ru/business/27/04/2018/5ae344799a794785d0b58ea9
And now keep in mind that with existing prices and no demand for gas, losses from a half-empty gas pipeline will grow cumulatively.

Is it all for you that more than a million trillion?

Be responsible for yourself! I, unlike you, have no verbal diarrhea. Or you can not communicate without insults? If not, then dosvidos.

[Alex777]

You need facts to discuss

In addition to the discussion under discussion, Simonyan, she has one more:

“It is necessary not to know the modern realities of your country at all in order to think that Efremov will not sit down, because he is a famous person, but he would have been sentenced to such a simple person. Precisely because a famous person, precisely because there is so much noise - Efremov will surely sit down ”

https://echo.msk.ru/blog/simonyan/2657410-echo/
https://www.pnp.ru/social/margarita-simonyan-efremov-obyazatelno-syadet.html

[Roman123567]

Precisely because a famous person, precisely because there is so much noise - Efremov will definitely sit down

1. "Not because he is to blame .. but because he is famous"
2. And I’ll add from myself - well-known in the key unsightly for power ..
For if he were known as Kadyrov, that is precisely why he would not have sat down !!

And so a good uncle .. His poems are gorgeous ..
Putin and the man are just a masterpiece !!

[Alex777]

If you didn’t look at the links, then here’s what’s next:

But the summer before last in my native Adler village, a drunk simple man flew into the oncoming lane - a head-on accident. A woman, a mother with many children, and a young guy, my second cousin, died.
We took his mother, my aunt, to our place, now lives with us.
And what do you think, the guilty simple man sat down? Of course not. The whole village knows that it has paid off. All his relatives were collected at the mercy. Two corpses - and walks, alive and well.
And this is just a completely typical story.

She has her own story.
I do not condone. Just the facts.

[bk316]

and you have the principle exclusively to shout out to the crowd.

The crowd is exclusively you wrestlers.
And instead of facts, the stamps of "impotence of Siberia" are "wooden".
Losses can grow BUT NEVER ACHIEVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF CAPITAL INVESTMENTS. And the amount, in turn, will not reach trillions.

I offered you a very simple dispute about the investigation of an accident you merged.
I can offer about trillions, too merge?
Isn’t it yourself disgusting? Or does the end justify the means?

[Lexus]

The crowd is exclusively you wrestlers.

Just from the sect omitted for minusculation by a crowd of marshals I heard a similar howl. Like others rotted - was everything all right? And as soon as they got caught on it, did they whine right away? Men? No! You think that the Administration has made a biased decision, so prove it. Only, I assure you, the gut is thin, there is not enough proof and all the facts are against.

Losses can grow BUT NEVER ACHIEVE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF CAPITAL INVESTMENTS. And the amount, in turn, will not reach trillions.

Where does this nonsense come from? Money is already invested and the system is not working yetAt the same time, the pipeline and facilities are already being serviced, employees employed by them receive salaries, and tops also have billions of bonuses, NO INCOME, AND THERE IS EXPENSES. All this goes at a LOSS if you are not in the know. And, given that in the near future the project will not reach its rated capacity, the gas price has fallen very much and there is no demand for it from China, the losses will only grow. I got the impression that I was discussing with a deaf-mute blind person, or something else. I tell you the facts, and you are some kind of heresy in response. Is this your argument? In my opinion - this is a waste of time.

I offered you a very simple dispute about the investigation of an accident you merged.

I answered the same. And about Kokorin with Mamaev and the rest. Higher. Or is there no friendship with the Russian language? Ah, yes, for Muscovites, alas, a common case. I will repeat the last paragraph in the hope of ...

Deserved - let him sit. But, at least, he immediately admitted his guilt, and did not play around, look for a "drunk boy", and pay a suspension of punishment for 16 years, unlike other murderers close to the power behind the wheel ..

See, no?

Isn’t it yourself disgusting? Or does the end justify the means?

Communicating after all this with you is disgusting. And, until you prove that I received money from someone for comments, I have every right to consider you a liar. That for you, judging by the manner of communication, is a familiar thing. The level of the NOD grandmother is to overturn and become personal, insults. "Merged" is a concept from the gateway and manuals of a bot, which has no brains of its own. Humble yourself - I'm much more honest and smarter than you. It won't work with me weakly and screaming.

[bk316]

I'm fairly honest and smarter than you.

Order in the sense of sometimes.

Like others rotted - was everything all right?

Am I a marshal? Then or now? I’m not even minus right now, while we are sorting it out. Are you jumping off the topic again?

And, until you prove the fact that I received money

And where did I write that for money you write comments? And which of us is a liar?


REPEAT I wrote

Well, remind me of Kokorin. He has risen strongly over the Law. I bet that he will get a real term and sit at least 5 years old, which is almost everything at his age.

You answered

It is called, "I heard the ringing, but did not understand where he is." You obviously forgot who Kokorin and Mamaev mutuzit? That this was far from an ordinary official? In a different scenario, they would have gotten away with everything 100%, or there would have been a man who, on the contrary, fucked them up, then he would have been jailed.

Is this a denial of my claim, though florid? Or not? If denial, I propose to answer for my words with a dispute! If you agree with me and write and the question will be settled. And I mean I don’t understand such texts. WAITING FOR AN ANSWER.

[Lexus]

Ah ... Well, as expected, you have a girl's memory. Went through and translate arrows already familiar? Well then, let me remind you of another case. Find your own "creativity" here.

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Do you think you are allowed to offend people? In vain. Sticking labels "troll", "bot" and "demagogue" is nothing more than unsubstantiated rudeness. And a lie! What else would you suggest to argue with the humble? I have something to prove. I'll just click on the facts. And I will leave the bridge with meat for kebabs, so as not to be like you.

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In the future, I’m waiting for help.
I look at my girlfriend, they have already called for help. Let us all madam here. Aw, okay. Rave about it! Minus pressure do not forget, darling! As always, in a crowd. The only thing that was required to prove.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: lexus

The only thing that was required to prove

What is there to prove ... this Lexus is broken, bring another

[bk316]

Sticking labels "troll", "bot" and "demagogue" is nothing more than unsubstantiated rudeness.

Didn’t answer the direct question and offer?
Why are you so afraid?

I ASK A DIRECT QUESTION. AN IMPORTANT ANSWER YES OR NO. AND MINIMUM RESPONSIBILITY for their words. A person writes about marshals, about minusers, about barbecue and bridges, gives links to discussions a month ago and to other topics that have nothing to do with this topic, and of course goes to the individual. THIS IS THE OPERATIONAL DEFINITION OF A DEMAGOG AND TROLL. APPROVED PROVEN

And until you answer the question to my question

And where did I write that for money you write comments?

That statement about the liar is also proved

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: lexus

Humble yourself - I am more honest and smarter than you

Lexus, here you outdid yourself

You should read the one with whom you are trying to communicate, for starters, or something. And then it comes out funny.

Quote: lexus

Quote: bk316

I offered you a very simple dispute about the investigation of an accident you merged

I answered the same. And about Kokorin with Mamaev and the rest. Higher. Or is there no friendship with the Russian language?

"Lexus", you have problems with the Russian language. To clarify - I already offer you a dispute for a ridiculous amount of half a hundred killed green raccoons ($ 50, otherwise it won't reach you again): I say that the defendant will sit down, you - that he won't. Whoever loses pays. Do you accept?

Colleague bk316 offered you то же самое, but without indicating the amount ... and you were taken somewhere into the forest

Quote: lexus

On weakly and screaming hobnob with me will not work

Well, yes, yes ... only eggs are cooler, only stars are higher ... somewhere I saw this, bad, by the way, symptoms

[businessv]

Quote: lexus

Be responsible for yourself! I, unlike you, have no verbal diarrhea.

That's for sure! It would not be accurate, the question of the Power of Siberia-2 would not be raised.

[bk316]

And how much was needed - remember?

SO HOW IS IT TRILLIONAre you getting it?
Maximum IF THERE IS AT ALL gas there is no pipe cost .....
Is it all for you that more than a million trillion?

[210ox]

And he will sit a year in jail lawyers for a year. And there for three years. They will be given five years at a minimum, will go to the colony and in a month will be released on parole.

[PalBor]

Yes, maybe he won’t sit. Like, they’ll send me to a hospital for rehabilitation for half a year. But the addict.

And there he realizes and repents ...

[cat Rusich]

2 months of "house arrest" to M. Efremov. News post on NTV. My opinion is that until the court he will "serve" at home, he will be given a "term", but 2-3 years and possibly settlement. Further on the "knurled scheme" UDO ...

[Altona]

Quote: bk316

Well, remind me of Kokorin. Strongly he rose above the Fa.

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Remember Anna Shavenkova? How much there was obtained by law, do not tell?

[Vemes]

For him, a term is an extension of life.

[Mikhail Tynda]

Unfortunately, not only in modern Russia. But also in the USSR.

[Uma palata]

This time it will not work.

[210ox]

For him, prison is the best place. And so, the liver may refuse. However, let the great torment. And Simonyan, I advise you to collect loot for each family of the deceased on the road from the drunk.

[bk316]

And Simonyan, I advise you to collect loot for each family of the deceased on the road from the drunk.

She needs to take the Central Bank by storm, no dough is enough.

[hydrox]

I don’t know about the Central Bank, but Simonyan’s moral and ethical principles, as openly liberoid, do not allow her to stay on the post of Arti as an informational and ideological Russian media.
IMHO:

[Uma palata]

This lady is unlikely to do this. People are not from the workshop of geniuses.

[New Year day]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Now the whole party will scream that he is terminally ill and will not be able to sit in a penal colony without a booze.

good to carry nonsense. Through the fault of an alcoholic, a person died. 2 orphans left. Who forced to pour vodka into the mouth? What other options could there be? Kill-sat! And this is not enough! Let the children raise the deceased, although no one will replace the father

[Zhan]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Now the whole party will scream that he is terminally ill and will not be able to sit in a penal colony without a booze.

Such people, as a rule, do not feel bad at settlements either. They will give them about 8 years, will serve 4 and will be released according to parole for good behavior.

[Plastmaster]

It is not without exception that for one thing the series will be filmed there. Grand Creativity is not going anywhere. Onozh asks outside.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Valery Valery

Efremov ?! To jail!!

I’m literally watching the program right there. They say that the head of the Kuzbass police department killed four girls in an accident, served 1.5 years and the other day

[Charik]

huh, there are thousands of people like him, they will commit a crime with epaulettes, and they’ll be sentenced for theft 1 and 5 and free — no, as the head of the traffic police in Nizhny Novgorod, they arrested the deputy, he began to take the campaign, and the head of the police officer shot himself so as not to condemn

[Blacksmith 55]

Before the law, EVERYTHING must be equal.
But, at all times, some were still more equal.
Do not accept my remark as an excuse for Efremov. He is a good actor, but despite this he must be punished.
And that should be a lesson to other "celebrities".

[yuratanja1950]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

Before the law EVERYTHING must be equal .

"Article 19 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation:
1. Everyone is equal before the law and the courts. 2. The state guarantees the equality of human and civil rights and freedoms regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official status, place of residence, attitude to religion, beliefs, membership of public associations, and other circumstances. Any form of restriction of the rights of citizens on the basis of social, racial, national, linguistic or religious affiliation is prohibited. "

All THIS is in the Supreme Law of the country ... But - does not work ...

[Roman123567]

That's because there aren’t enough amendments about animals .. Soon we’ll go fix it ..

[Glaaki]

Yes, not enough. Young organisms hanging the dog for fun, should be carefully disassembled into organs for sick people.

[New Year day]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

Before the law, EVERYTHING must be equal.

in a normal state, this does not apply to us.

[kit88]

I’m literally watching the program right there. They say that the head of the Kuzbass police department killed four girls in an accident, served 1.5 years and the other day

From the point of view of the Criminal Code, everything is clear.
It should be understood that the head of Kuzbass has a part 5 of article 264. (severe) i.e. death of 2 or more persons. Responsibility for this part is forced labor up to 5 years, or imprisonment up to 7 years. That is, theoretically, under this article, a judge can give 2 months of forced labor and no law will violate this.
And at Efremov - part 4 of the same 264 article (especially grave). Punishment ONLY imprisonment from 5 to 12 years. No work, fines, etc. A judge will be required to sentence to imprisonment. Theoretically - at least 5 years.
Although of course Art. 64 "below the lowest" has not been canceled. Yes Art. 73 "conventions" are possible in theory. But in the "postponement" of Art. 82 he clearly doesn't fit.

[minus]

In that accident, my friend died ... Three children were left without a mother ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Pilat2009

I’m literally watching the program right there. They say that the head of the Kuzbass police department killed four girls in an accident, served 1.5 years and the other day

and after 3 hours 24-year-old precinct in Voronezh

so did not cope with the management of "Mersa". that he drove up to the store through the sidewalk. There is a deceased.

[Roman123567]

This is Crown .. Was there yesterday, filmed a video ..

[Okolotochny]

I was there yesterday, filmed a video ..

Didn’t you have another mind? Did Hypa feel like it?

[Okolotochny]

Sylvester, stop the wave drive. In America, the police simply strangled the detainee. Does the law also not work there? Then, such as you raised a buchu in a network. The result we are now seeing in news agencies. There are enough hollowers in any country. For your info - FSB Major (in the two thousandth), the first-person driver knocked down a man to death, without aggravating. The result - he served time in a colony near St. Petersburg. Does the law not work?

[ApJlekuHo]

ivan ivan sergei sergey administration will fight with bots or why should I fire you?

[New Year day]

Quote: Valery Valery

Efremov ?!

and what is a saint? Killed -

Quote: Valery Valery

To jail!!

[gsev]

Quote: Valery Valery

Efremov ?! To jail!!

If there is social justice in Russia, Efremov should go to jail. If there is no justice, then Efremov may sit, but the tougher security forces, businessmen, politicians and bandits and their relatives, even if in the accident they will kill a dozen people, will not sit in Afghanistan. If a murder is committed, the offender is convicted, then the victim’s relative kills the convict. However, he can be pardoned by receiving compensation. An acquaintance told how he experienced a terrible state when a woman cut the convict’s neck. On the other hand, it seemed to me that he understood her, that she didn’t forgive her in her soul and had the moral right to make a punishment. If the courier’s relatives accept the money, Efremov will evade punishment, which means that in Russia people are divided into untouchables and wordless creatures, which can and should be bought for fear, rubles or dollars or cookies.

[NordUral]

If in Russia there is social justice

Dreaming It is not in the Russian Federation and will not be until we wake up with all the people.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Committed a crime, it doesn’t matter who you are, you must answer, this is democracy, and not what it is now.

That's right, it doesn't matter whether it's an artist, a worker or a liberal, but for the crime he has committed he must be held accountable according to the law. The laws are still equal for everyone, and they are trying to tell us that he is a genius artist, "who cannot be judged, but he must play on stage. But what a" genius "he is, what kind of drunk can be an artist. He did not rise above average in his youth, everything rode on his father's authority.If Russia is a rule-of-law state, then it is necessary to judge according to the law, like any citizen of the country.

[marchcat]

Who will put him in prison, he is a "monument" to the grandiose Russian actor!

[Souchastnik]

Who will put him in prison, he is a "monument" to the grandiose Russian actor!

I think the precedent has already been set. The athletes served time for a scuffle. And the actor must serve time. To hone your dramatic skills. Moreover, soon the vote on the constitution, and there will be elections for the Duma. The people must be "respected", otherwise it will not be so.

[Looking for]

In the USSR, and singers sat. And actresses and football players.

[AUL]

Quote: Souchastnik

I think a precedent has already been set. Athletes sat in a scuffle. And the actor must sit out.

Something you get to the officials! Yes, how can you!

[blackice]

Blasphemy is straight !!!
Holy people and their offspring, but on the bunk, but for some kind of pranks ???
Yes, it’s practically extremism !!!

[Souchastnik]

Something you get to the officials! Yes, how can you!

S-ss! Do not shoot

[AnderS]

I think a precedent has already been set.

It does not smell of precedent. Moreover, in Russia there is no case law. Now, if one of the deputies of Sobyanin or, say, the son of Chaika died in an accident, then 12 would have been soldered to him without any talk. And so, an ordinary Russian citizen died, so I think a year and a half later, this eternal one will continue his drunken pokatushki ...

[Anastezia]

Quote: tihonmarine

In his youth, he did not rise above the average; everything rode on his father's authority. If Russia is a rule-of-law state, it is necessary to judge according to the Law, like any citizen of the country.

For now, there is still silence, but I can smell the neo-liberals howling about the "bloody regime", etc.
The killer should be in prison and especially if drunk as a pig (2.1 ppm detected in the blood) ..
Cattle drank ...
Still punish those with whom he drank and let him go ..

[Romey]

Howl began Rita Simonyan, quite a tight-knit character, one of the pillars of Putin's propaganda. If "liberals" and bohemians join it, then smart people will think about it. It seems to me that the liberal Yefremov is much closer in spirit to the "patriot" Simonyan than ordinary Putinists think, who throw insults at patriots without quotation marks. And as for Efremov ... Everything is simple: either a person quits drinking, or he throws a person to drink, taking others with him along the way. What will happen next, I vangue that something similar will happen again as it was with Radzinsky or Vasilyeva. They will put him in prison on a subscription, for three years the case will wander through the courts, after everyone has forgotten to let him under the amnesty. Profit.

[Anastezia]

Quote: romey

The howl began Rita Simonyan, quite a tight-witted character, one of the pillars of Putin's propaganda.

Well, that begins ..)))

Quote: romey

It seems to me that the liberal Efremov is much closer in spirit to the "patriot" Simonyan

Like "this is not our liberal ?? Let's go for an excuse and a coup of everything ..
GOOD LIBERA .. Can he go to Israel for "recovery" ..))))

[Romey]

Sorry moa, but what begins? The Putinist began harnessing herself for the bohemian opposition and the bully, and the patriots were to blame, hinting at some kind of spiritual connection between the Putinists and their supposedly counterpart. Yes, I do not care where you take him, even to the states. I want him to crouch as it should according to the law, which is not for everyone.

[blackice]

It is advisable to collect all similar on the same matters, regardless of ranks and titles

[tihonmarine]

Quote: romey

Everything is simple: either a person quits plumping, or a quit quit

"Booze" took him neither yesterday, nor today, but from his student days, only thanks to the great dad his freaks were forgiven.

[NordUral]

This is the only way it will be in power. We will sit, not "elite" drunks.

[bk316]

This is the only way it will be in power. We will sit, not "elite" drunks.

Well, what are we going to argue about what they will put in prison? At least 5, most likely 8.

[Doliva63]

Quote: bk316

This is the only way it will be in power. We will sit, not "elite" drunks.

Well, what are we going to argue about what they will put in prison? At least 5, most likely 8.

One and a half will sit and leave. What is there to argue about?

[bk316]

One and a half will sit and leave. What is there to argue about?

And if it doesn’t work out, what do you say? ATTENTION you do not want to answer for words?

[Doliva63]

Quote: bk316

One and a half will sit and leave. What is there to argue about?

And if it doesn’t work out, what do you say? ATTENTION you do not want to answer for words?

I will say that I did not guess, it happens

[bk316]

I will say that I did not guess, it happens drinks

You will say that, I have no doubt
But there are comrades who do not answer for the words and don’t admit their mistakes, for them I want a procedure like this ..... I remembered the coaming out

[bk316]

is

By the way, agree with my analysis of the accident?
After all, you probably also have a long record of service
I’ll say to myself that I would definitely catch it like Zakharov.
That’s why I’m already about 15 years old as I drive big cars. - In Moscow, it’s inadequate to drive darkness and I want to live.

[Doliva63]

Quote: bk316

is

By the way, agree with my analysis of the accident?
After all, you probably also have a long record of service
I’ll say to myself that I would definitely catch it like Zakharov.
That’s why I’m already about 15 years old as I drive big cars. - In Moscow, it’s inadequate to drive darkness and I want to live.

I myself traveled around Moscow only until the end of the 90s, so I cannot reliably assess the current traffic situation there. Maybe you're right, I don't know. And nowadays there are plenty of inadequate people everywhere, alas. And every year there are more and more of them. I don’t understand why the drivers don’t put a chip in the car - if I drove past the “settlement” sign, you won’t accelerate more than 60? It's such a penny! And on the road the same way - sign 50, the car will not go faster. This is how the accident rate should be reduced, not by fines.

[NordUral]

They will be forced to give a year or two, and then quietly release, so that the people shut up and forget about this uro.da.

[Anastezia]

Quote: bk316

This is the only way it will be in power. We will sit, not "elite" drunks.

Well, what are we going to argue about what they will put in prison? At least 5, most likely 8.

I would shoot the bastard!
But he hired a fund of bulk, already cunning attorneys .. They will give it and they will buy everything and everyone! They can humiliate Russia ..
The ECHR will be subscribing soon SURE!
Amnesty will be announced, etc. Especially for Efrem-drunk ..)))

[New Year day]

Quote: Anastezia

But he hired a fund of bulk, already cunning lawyers.

good to bulk drag to the criminal! Got it with your bulk! There are 2 figures in the country - Putin and Navalny and that's it, is life over?

[Constructor68]

good to bulk drag to the criminal!

About how they were offended by Navalny, immediately screeched indignantly.

[blackice]

So there Simonyan voted for Efremov, didn’t he?
It turns out she is a liberalist?
Decide whether you are already more liberalist, Simonyan or Piled up.
I ... on both of them, but it hurts to see how the fast-witted journalist will now greet the followers of the sun.

[NordUral]

Decide whether you are already more liberalist, Simonyan or Piled up.

For me - so this lady with her godfather. But Lesha, albeit with kookies, is doing the right thing, revealing the abscesses of thieves in power.

[New Year day]

Quote: Designer 68

About how they were offended by Navalny, immediately screeched indignantly.

do you know others? How is your logic? Are causal relationships present?

[Kelwin]

Five points ... so be it.

[New Year day]

Quote: tihonmarine

... this is a brilliant artist "...

Honestly, he is a very good actor. I didn’t look at it — it shocked me. BUT! This does not give him the right to kill! Therefore, despite the genius, I must answer. Although the children of the deceased will not help

[Pravodel]

And who is he ?! As an actor, not a dad. He was a titan, a lump, however, also abused the serpent ... Here the son went to his father, though not by talent, but cursed by the serpent ... Now let him heal from people far away ...

[senima56]

"Now let him get medical treatment away from people ..." and Panin in his "company"!

[Vend]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Committed a crime, it doesn’t matter who you are, you must answer, this is democracy, and not what it is now.

And if you recall Yumatov, he served a crime and I think the actor will be better than Efremov. However, what happened does not surprise me, all these accusers of power and fighters for the national good, put themselves above the law and above the people.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Committed a crime, it doesn’t matter who you are, you must answer, this is democracy, and not what it is now.

As I said earlier, with our judicial system, any outcome can be expected, in the flesh, to the point that they "prove" that Zakharov himself is to blame. This is the reality of today and everyone knows about it.
Efremov, Guzeeva, Malysheva, Solovyov, the whole DOM-2 in full force, the same Comedy Club with their jokes below the waist ... all these people should not be traded on federal channels, but in a psychiatric hospital. The attitude of silver to ordinary people has crossed all boundaries of indecency. They do not consider ordinary people as people.
And to ask these little stars, if Efremov had sent their relative to the other world, they would also have argued that "you can't return a person, but let this drunkenness go on and on"?
And this is all a consequence of the absolutely indifferent position of the citizens of the country (simple). They call us cattle from the screens ... well, we made a noise in social networks, we made a couple of angry videos on YouTube and that's it. Sami and gave rise to this impunity in these stars. And there would be an active position of the population ... for example, on Prigogine’s rudeness, write a collective complaint (with signatures of thousands of 50 people), followed by a call to the prosecutor’s office and punishment. Or, again, under pressure from the public, to check the tax service, where did Malyshev’s real estate come from in the USA for wooden lard?
As for Efremov ... so do not care who he is, the actor, or the banal drunk ... there must be a REAL punishment.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

I liked how Efremov "trolled" the authorities, but once he got in and was guilty, answer. Let them put them in full.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Andrew Y.

I liked how Efremov "trolled" the authorities, but once he got in and was guilty, answer. Let them put them in full.

a little pity, this "pseudo-rebel" is a drunkard, for him the term is in any case. but he killed the man, let him sit to the end.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

I liked how Efremov, "trolled" the authorities, but once he got in and was guilty, answer.

He did this either with a binge, or with someone in plain clothes. At the same time, they found in the blood by the alcohol, even traces of heroin and drugs of the canabioid group. What else can I talk about here? The punishment should be, and not conditional.
In fact, Efremov reflected in his behavior and lifestyle a large part of our media bohemia. Drunkenness, drugs, inappropriate behavior, hypocrisy and the demolition of the head from fees.
Such an audience is stuffed into our throats.

[Dikson]

... Earlier, Efremov's wife Sofya Kruglikova explained the artist's behavior with drunk sleeping pills. Later, in a conversation with law enforcement officers, she told about her husband's terrible drinking companions "from some organs" .. so the "bloody gebnya" has already appeared .. and he also has asthma and a sick heart .. - he cannot be taken into custody .. - he should stay at home in a bathrobe and slippers ..

[halpat]

silver

gyyy that’s how Russian stars and stars should be called,
and this ... not from the word "silver" ...
well, and Efremov Jr. does not even deserve such a title.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Committed a crime, no matter who you are, must answer

All paws for. That's just to not only apply to the actors. In general, at all. True .... Then we have no elite left. Neither the owners of corporations and banks, nor officials, nor even the guarantor.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Then the elite will not remain at all.

not elites, but "elites" ... and that's good.

[st2st]

So, now we have, Andrei, the era of unprecedented democracy and law. Efremov is a great actor (not dad, son), Chubais is a great reformer, Gref is a great manager, Serebryannikov is a great director, Pavlensky is a great artist, etc., etc. The question only arises: if the authorities have Russia is worth such great people, well, so the people live so shitty? Maybe because he does not realize that he (the people), the great people of Russia rule? Or, is it, after all, in another?

[Vicontas]

As folklore says - "Nature rests on children of geniuses!" It looks like Misha Efremov, she relieved herself!

[imobile2008]

He is an actor on stage, an ordinary driver driving! A _Simonyan in prison would have thundered in a normal state. Not familiar with her was creativity. A couple of phrases are enough, I already want to spit. For my 40 years I do not remember such a vile little man!

[DIM (a)]

The question is not in democracy, but in the Law, any citizen, regardless of status, estate, social status and merit, must answer for his crime.
The footcloth is just huge long ... Comment on the first post (

[smart ass]

On his zone of 20 years for the murder

[Alex013]

But they can hush things up, as they did with Radzinsky. Or fall under the amnesty.

[Brancodd]

Now, given the circumstances, it will not be easy to hush up. I hope they will not get confused. Although this group "with bright faces" are very serious patrons. For example, Bykov has already spoken about several articles, but not a single initiated case

[evgen1221]

It’s easy to hush up, They’ll go out to the family of the deceased, pay off, then for lack of claims, house arrest and amnesty of udo or bail. I believe in ours (a fair state) if the actor really at least sits in a colony for 2-3 years. But this will not happen because we have selective justice.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: evgen1221

It’s easy to hush up, They’ll go out to the family of the deceased, pay off, then for lack of claims, house arrest and amnesty of udo or bail. I believe in ours (a fair state) if the actor really at least sits in a colony for 2-3 years. But this will not happen because we have selective justice.

Look kk sits a chain knit, with a kebab on soft sofas and with boiled crabs. Do you think if Efremov sits down, he will sit very differently?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: evgen1221

They will go out to the family of the deceased, pay off, then for lack of claims, house arrest and amnesty of udos or bail.

He is seriously terminally ill, a large family, he realized what he had done, repents, began to go to church.

[Anastezia]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: evgen1221

They will go out to the family of the deceased, pay off, then for lack of claims, house arrest and amnesty of udos or bail.

He is seriously terminally ill, a large family, he realized what he had done, repents, began to go to church.

It is necessary to plant, maybe it will stop drinking .. There he will be taught life and respect for people .. And then he starred with his drunken antics .. The man feels sorry for the one who died there, he has a double grief in the family .. "Mother-in-law died) .. Horror !!!
I liked him how he played in "Taiga Romance" .. But he played himself and in other roles too .. He is far from the glory of his father.!
PLANT!!! It threatens to 12 years ..

[your1970]

Quote: evgen1221

It’s easy to hush up, They’ll go out to the family of the deceased, pay off, then for lack of claims, house arrest and amnesty of udo or bail. I believe in ours (a fair state) if the actor really at least sits in a colony for 2-3 years. But this will not happen because we have selective justice.

1) with severe bodily ones, even if they pay off - the matter will remain. This only with mild and moderate severity can be stopped by trying the parties
2) from 3 to 7 years. Judicial practice - give 4
3) UDO not earlier than in a year and a half (if 3 give)
4) he had 10 administrators this year for traffic violations

Z. Given all the circumstances, I think they will give 4 and will sit as pretty in the colony

Z.Z.Z.

Quote: Vol4ara

Look kk sits chain knit, with a barbecue on soft sofas and with boiled crabs. Do you think if Efremov sits down, he will sit very differently?

- Tsepovyaz is a little not Efremov. And yes, the head of the colony
“Investigative actions have been completed in relation to the former heads of the maximum security colony N3 of the Federal Penitentiary Service of Russia in the Amur Region - the head of the correctional institution Sergei Kartavtsev and his deputy Vladimir Vasilyev. They were charged with abuse of office (part 1 of article 286 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation), " - says the message, which is quoted by the RIA Novosti agency.
According to the investigation, in 2011-2015, the accused illegally organized production facilities on the territory of IK-3, concluding agreements with acquaintances and relatives of the convicts to employ the latter. Thus, some of the convicts, including Vyacheslav Tsepovyaz, were transferred to lighter conditions for serving their sentences, and a number of them were given parole. "
More details: https://www.newsru.com/russia/08jan2020/kolonia.html

[bk316]

from 3 to 7 years. Judicial practice - give 4

There is another part, already retrained from 5 to 12.
+ alcohol
+ just found cocaine.
Can generally go to the maximum .....

[your1970]

Quote: bk316

from 3 to 7 years. Judicial practice - give 4

There is another part, already retrained from 5 to 12.
+ alcohol
+ just found cocaine.
Maybe in general go to the maximum.....

-fuck ...
I think our "best friends" now they will begin to sculpt a fighter against the regime that has suffered for criticizing the authorities ...

[bk316]

I think that our "best friends" belay will now begin to mold him into a fighter against the regime that has suffered for criticizing the authorities ...

It seems that she found a scythe on a stone - the people were so inadequate that the opinions of the liberties were divided. Well, the analysis of cocaine already says a lot, now the search sanction is given, you see something will be found - and that’s all. Karma she is. Zakharova sorry, you compare their pictures. Who is the elite?

[your1970]

I meant rather "partners" - rather than our liberda ...
I think our opponents are especially afraid of getting dirty - 2,1 ppm (I figured it out for myself - about 0,8 vodka, by its weight - probably 0,5 approximately)

[Constructor68]

Already write. One Ekhovets has already stated that alcohol in the blood of Efremov is a provocation of a bloody gebni in revenge for the words of this dove of freedom

[really]

Beautifully worded, instead of using his official position for personal purposes, he raised the loot,

[Brancodd]

This practice of "lack of claims" by the injured party must be terminated by law for any offenses. Those. this provision should not at all be smeared out as a pretext for terminating the investigation.

[your1970]

Quote: Brancodd

This practice of the "lack of claims" of the injured party must be terminated by law for any (????????????? !!!!!!!) offenses. Those. this provision should not be blurred at all as an excuse for ending the investigation.

-strong!!!!
Do you know that reconciliation of the parties is possible only with mild and moderate severity ??
And you know - that in this case someone else accidentally scratched the car, so please the bunks as the damage will be more than 10 thousand ??
Or broke the intercom - and also on the bunk ??
Do you want 3/5 to sit, 1/5 was under investigation and 1/5 guarded them ???

[Brancodd]

No I do not want to. Of course I meant serious crimes. But this practice was also used for serious crimes. And more than once. Relatives - money. Court - no complaints.
Savelovsky District Court of Moscow collected 2 million rubles. from the famous writer and TV presenter Edward Radzinsky in the scandalous case of an accident in which a 24-year-old girl died. According to the press secretary of the court, Alexander Volkov, the court granted the claims of the father of the deceased, Vladimir Kulikov, and recovered money from Radzinsky as compensation for non-pecuniary damage

[Andrey VOV]

Will not fall, the article is classified as serious

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Will not fall, the article is classified as serious

Is it normal that he was put under house arrest for 2 months?

[Andrey VOV]

I think not, the investigator and the prosecutor gave a slack, it was necessary to insist on the arrest, the passports were clearly taken away, they would put on a bracelet .. but he didn’t understand, he didn’t smell the bucket, he didn’t smell sweaty bodies and sour cabbage

[your1970]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Andrey VOV

Will not fall, the article is classified as serious

Is it normal that he was put under house arrest for 2 months?

- yes, for such cases usually a recognizance not to leave is held. Judicial practice in such cases
He is even a little tougher - than in ordinary court practice the restriction was applied.
That is while no discounts on "stardom" are observed

[Junior Private]

Do not be hushed up. He also found drugs in his body.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Alex013

But they can hush things up, as they did with Radzinsky. Or fall under the amnesty.

Radzinsky authorities did not blame aloud.

[svp67]

The CRIMINAL MUST be in prison ... AND THE POINT

[prior]

Not a dot, but a comma.
For officials, government officials, public people, the punishment should be multiple times higher.
Not 5-12 years, but 20-50, i.e. 5-10 times stricter. ! They deserve it.
Now the DOT.

[svp67]

Quote: prior

For officials, government officials, public people, the punishment should be multiple times higher.

Here you can argue ... For crimes committed with the use of official position, including in the form of pressure, then yes ... and so, you should not deprive people of the chances of correction and continuation of their careers. You may recall that some of our Soviet actors also had "black pages" in their biographies ...

[Starover_Z]

Quote: svp67

We may recall that some of our Soviet actors also had "black pages" in their biographies ...

After reading this, I remembered George Zhzhenov. Here's what I found about it on the Web: Yes, he was imprisoned, but not in a criminal case, but on suspicion of transmitting classified data to a US military attache, who was traveling in the same car and talking with the entire crew. And what secret information could a young, 22-year-old artist have, who also just went to the shooting ?!
So there is no need to compare the actors, one of whom served "for good luck", and the other quite often abuses alcohol, and even sits behind the wheel and now a person has died because of him!
And if Mikhail is not imprisoned, then let him now help the family of the deceased!

[CAM]

Zhzhenov met with a military attaché three times, once on a train, two in Moscow, and he went to shoot in a closed city where a plant was built to build nuclear submarines

[Sergej1972]

In 1938, a plant for the construction of nuclear submarines?

[Potter]

The city of Molotovsk and the Molotov Shipyard. Now Severodvinsk and the NSR. Well, then for the bookmark there were preparing 2 battleships of project 23, Soviet Russia and Soviet Belarus. The British were very worried about this fact.

[CAM]

yes, unfortunately messed up with boats .. but ... "During the filming of the film" Komsomolsk "(1938), the actor went by train to the then secret Komsomolsk-on-Amur. Returning from Komsomolsk, on the train, he met the US military attache, Major Philip Reis Faymonville (Philip R . Faymonville). Later, he met with him twice more after returning from filming at the train station and at the Bolshoi Theater. "

[al252ex]

About George Zhzhenov there is a good analysis on the channel, a bad signal in YouTube with documents. You can find and watch who wants to.

[flc9800]

I believe Michael, in any case, is obliged to help the family of a KILLED IM person!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

We may recall that some of our Soviet actors also had "black pages" in their biographies.

Set aside his position and let him continue on stage.

[210ox]

Now there will be a lesson to play. A new stage image.

[Grandfather]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: svp67

We may recall that some of our Soviet actors also had "black pages" in their biographies.

Set aside his position and let him continue on stage.

THERE is no scene.

[Svetlana]

For officials, government officials, public people, the punishment should be multiple times higher.

Rave. The law should be, one for all, otherwise in court, lawyers will start a debate about the degree of fame of a citizen.

[Charik]

I dreamed, a lot of Chubais and hedgehogs sat with him, those who need them and who have no money to pay off

[your1970]

I didn’t want to comment, but this attack hooked

Quote: prior

For officials, government officials, public people, the punishment should be multiple times higher.
Not 5-12 years, but 20-50, i.e. 5-10 times stricter. ! They deserve it.

-let's go !!!
Which of the famous / officials / government officials was there?
Korolev? Tupolev? Petlyakov? Urmin? B. Stechkin?
Rokosovsky?
Zhzhenov? Yumatov? Godovikov? Gomiashvili? Dolinsky? Petrenko? Kramarov? Shevkunenko?

All had to write

Quote: prior

5-10 times stricter

???? !!!!
You would have turned on your head at least once in your life before the complete nonsense to bear ...
People, in general, should all be equal before the law ... and in your bullshit - very close and long periods for skin color or nationality

For all the minusers - I FOR so that Efremov was sitting !!! Moreover I'm sure(99,8% !!!) - what he will sit and be given 4 years.
0,2% because the ways of the Lord are not confessible - there are many varieties of all kinds in life, for example, they may die under investigation

[Sergej1972]

I completely agree with you. The only thing Kramarov never sat.

[Potter]

If you write a parallel series of the late 1930s from the authorities, then
Bukharin, Rykov, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Berry, Yezhov! (you can continue for a long time).
A little later, the Leningrad affair
-Kuznetsov, Popkov, Ascension, Kapustin, Lazutkin, Rodionov.

[bk316]

public people

Good boy.
I remind you that VO is a mass media.
That is, anyone who wrote at least one article is a public person.
Still going to (or have already accepted) the same for the Blochers.
READY TO GET TWENTY?

[Cyril G ...]

Totally agree, the offender must be fully responsible for what he did, and in this state, getting behind the wheel is a real crime.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

How did this fun cheerful drinker become a killer ??? Too often there are those who consider themselves superior to society and they do not care at all.

[Reserve buildbat]

You should drink less. This "cheerful, cheerful drunkard" is a downright drunk.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

He became a martyr of conscience. Degraded. I drank too much. He became a killer.
He followed this path for a long time and purposefully.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Stroibat stock

You should drink less.

Unfortunately, such characters in this phrase only respond to need to drink.

“Since the beginning of 2020, actor Mikhail Efremov has been prosecuted 10 times for traffic violations,” TASS quoted the response to a request to law enforcement agencies.

https://www.zr.ru/content/news/923589-vse-mnogochislennye-shtrafy-i-na/
Recidivist. Cynical. What else is needed? Understand, forgive?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

How did this fun, cheerful drinker become a killer?

Drunken brawls at the hotel, repeatedly drunk at the wheel. They would take away the rights, would sit at home or in the theater, would drink the fowl, and would not commit any murder.

[Charik]

today the rights were taken away, tomorrow they will buy back

[neri73-r]

I really do not want the grandiose Russian actor to be in prison. I really do not want people who denounce lawlessness to regularly do horrific lawlessness themselves. I really do not want the elderly courier driver to die or remain disabled.

An ordinary post, as I understand it, Margarita wants to express her wish that it would not be better. Neither the death of a person, nor that a drunk should die and get behind the wheel, but rather a sober one would play his roles. People have emotions, and he’ll get his nickel, don’t go to your grandmother.

[Reserve buildbat]

"It is worth noting that in the" creative elite "people are already appearing who declare something like the following: they say, the person (Sergei Zakharov), they say, still cannot be returned, the actor is better, they say, to continue to play on stage, and to help the family of the deceased with money hush up the matter ... Such proposals are nothing else than cynicism and an attempt to interpret the law "not to call it"

And nothing surprising. In the "creative elites" and similar cesspools nowadays there are such ... There are no words ... That often you want them all in one echelon - and for the demining of the South Kuriles or the collection of scrap metal on Novaya Zemlya. For life.

[credo]

It looks like a take # 2 awaits us, just not in relation to a couple of drunk football players, whose pre-trial, judicial and colonial cases were reported to us almost every day from all irons, but in relation to the "grandiose Russian actor", who was not famous for anything special on the Russian stage, but it looks like this is not required for the liberal public rigidly defending its clan interests.
Now we have to wait for comments in defense of the "cheerful drunkard" from the "great Russian poet" Bykov and the no less "great Russian poet" Orlusha.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

And this gave little.

[bk316]

And this gave little.

Almost to the maximum .....

[tihonmarine]

Quote: credo

Now we have to wait for comments in defense of the "cheerful drunkard" from the "great Russian poet" Bykov and the no less "great Russian poet" Orlusha.

They will soon agree to the point that it is not M. Efremov who is to blame, but the deceased Sergei Zakharov.

[credo]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: credo

Now we have to wait for comments in defense of the "cheerful drunkard" from the "great Russian poet" Bykov and the no less "great Russian poet" Orlusha.

They will soon agree to the point that it is not M. Efremov who is to blame, but the deceased Sergei Zakharov.

Yes, who would doubt it.
Here, for example: "Coming into a turn, the deceased Z. unexpectedly turned on the main beam and thereby blinded Mr. E. as a result of which Mr. E. was momentarily disoriented, did not fit into the turn and, through the fault of the dead Z., jumped into the oncoming lane, where he collided with the latter. ".

[tihonmarine]

Quote: credo

"Coming into the bend, the deceased Z. unexpectedly turned on the high beam and thus blinded Mr. E.

Well, yes, how could Zakharov blind if E. was in the video behind and flew headlong to overtake. Started.

[bk316]

if in the video E. was behind

Did you watch the video?
About faraway, of course, stupidity, but E just drove right where the garden turned, didn’t go anywhere, just the bastard didn’t notice how the HEX road turned. I almost knocked down a motik in the left lane, drove into the oncoming lane without slowing down, drove to the middle row and made a lobovuha.
There weren’t any chances at all, you’re going around Moscow in such a hurry in the middle row, and here you are .... in the forehead. Evil is not enough.

[Doliva63]

"Z had no chances at all, you go like this in Moscow, you are in no hurry in the middle row, and then this one comes to you ... in the forehead."
I can’t stand this E on the spirit either as an artist or as a person. But I want to note that they don’t come from nowhere to the forehead. Do you yourself drive a car? And what, look right in front of you? You are a potential victim. The traffic flow must be seen all - in front, behind, right-left, passing, oncoming. The slightest deviations in the behavior of machines from formal logic, the brain must immediately identify and give an alarm. Then you have every chance to live to an experienced driver, like me, for example I drive along Joburg past the Mayakovsky Central Park of Culture and Leisure (if I am not mistaken) on the street. Eastern, she is the Weavers, late evening, winter. Two lanes back and forth. Meters for 300-400 I see some kind of illogical "movement" in the oncoming traffic, I take to the right, I slow down. Immediately a car takes off from there, crosses my lane, ricochets against a lamppost and flies back into its own stream, ramming a couple of people in no hurry. I flew one and a half meters in front of my bumper. Nogvosib, Petukhov street, like. Day, summer. Three lanes in one direction, on the left - tram. The food is average. The behavior of the car on the right at some point strained, plodded to lag behind. He immediately makes a sharp turn to the left, where, in theory, I was supposed to go, flies through all the lanes, crashes into a passing tram and flies off again to the right, onto the sidewalk. If I was among those in no hurry, he could hit me twice. I have such cases since the 87th, when I began to drive actively, I can bring 1000. This is me to the fact that the driver Z was not lucky twice: 1. that this drunk got on the way ... kind of softer? tolerast; 2. that the experience was not enough or that my age failed - I am a year younger, but I no longer feel as confident on the road as before. And if I was in his place at the age of 30-40, in the evening I would drink tea from a Tula samovar. Unfortunately, with age, regardless of experience, we can no longer adequately respond to situations with a rapid development of events.

[bk316]

Do you yourself drive a car?

More than 25 years. Under a million km mileage. Several tens of thousands of kilometers on the ground, rally raid Lapland. More than 600 thousand trouble-free. Enough?

And now the situation. Moscow You eat in the middle row of the four rows (in each direction) and another row for the public. The speed is small, less than 60. The medium-density flow on the left rear of the car in the right row in the right row in the next row is a little in front of the car. A car comes to your forehead at a speed of a hundred from the middle of the oncoming traffic.
- firstly, when you are traveling in a stream, you look at FOUR rows to the left. DO NOT LOOK - YOU simply do not have such roads.
- secondly you are pressed both left and right, even if you notice something, there will be a delay in making a decision (twitch or not), because if you twitch, then maybe you will dodge, but you will be the culprit of the accident. Inexperienced drivers fight so when dodging dogs that run out, experienced just knock down.
Thirdly, the speed is only about 50, while E has a hundred, even if you do not immediately react to speed, the maneuver is not enough.


Also, never compare your driving experience in the provinces with Moscow. Those who come to Moscow see a "stir" for 300 and are dull simply because in Moscow there is always some illogical stir within a radius of 300 meters. In this radius of thousands of cars and just statistically there is a drunken, checker-maker, a major, a mad taxi driver or a PROVINCIAL. E-burg is still nothing, but when they come from Kandalaksha or Vladikavkaz and begin to teach how to drive and then sit behind the wheel - they look glassy, ​​they get confused in the pedals, every 100 meters they create an emergency.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

If they do, they won’t forgive the general public (people), time is not who remembers Makarevich now? And this is just for words.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

What does Makar have to do with it?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer

What does Makar have to do with it?

Yes, the same as Efremov, posing as "the moral authority and conscience of the nation", only not yet drunk ...

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Makar does not make anything up. He has his own opinion, different from the opinion of colleagues in the shop, looking into the mouth of the authorities in anticipation of nishtyaks for loyalty.

[Barmal]

Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker

Makar does not make anything up. He has his own opinion, different from the opinion of colleagues in the shop, looking into the mouth of the authorities in anticipation of nishtyaks for loyalty.

You do not mean a reward from the Kremlin? For merit? Not?

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

It was a matter, it was, I do not argue. But a comrade is talking about the period of the disgrace of Makar. It is not permissible, they say, to have an opinion different from the opinion of wise men from power.

[Barmal]

Well, when Andryusha called the Russians shit, then what else is your evidence?

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

and the authorities have other epithets for the people?

[bk316]

and the authorities have other epithets for the people?

But Makar is already power, have I missed something? Run for president? Headed the party?

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: bk316

But Makar is already power, have I missed something?

You missed the point of my remark on your comment.

[bk316]

Maybe. Got upset. When such dummies like Makar or this drunk begin to consider themselves to be an elite, it immediately begins to seem to them as the next step that they are untouchable. And then immediately from them their essence is th ... I begin to shout. Someone's tongue is unleashed at someone while drinking.

[Andrey VOV]

No one wondered why in the 80s the time machine and in films and tours and concerts and records? In my opinion everything is clear ... and somewhere the cardboard dad is gathering dust ..

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Does Makar consider himself untouchable? Did he do something illegal? Ah, yes, thought crime ...

[Brancodd]

This Makar actually already said an article and more than one. For example, Article 280.1. Public calls for the implementation of actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

when he "publicly called" for

Quote: Brancodd

to carry out actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.

?

[Brancodd]

Repeatedly called Crimea "Ukrainian". In an interview with Ukrainian journalists, he said that Russia needs to "return" Crimea to Ukraine

[edmed]

Hmm ... "The cockerel praises the cuckoo, but what he praises the cockerel", in his kubla.

[edmed]

The moderator cut off, an important part, censorship ...

[ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2]

It is worth noting that in the "creative elites" people are already appearing who declare something like the following: they say that the person (Sergei Zakharov), they say, still cannot be returned, the actor is better, they say, to continue to play on stage, and the family of the deceased is to help with money and hush case ... Such proposals can only be called cynicism and an attempt to interpret the law "for oneself". All of them are smeared with one oil, that democrats, communists, liberals., They are all for justice, only when it does not concern them personally. Heavenly to you Sergey, and the earth rest in peace. The culprit of the accident, must definitely sit in prison.

[Oleg Zorin]

E-mine, 2,1 ppm ... Half the members of the forum would die from such a dose

[knn54]

They will put Mikhal Mikhalych in the hospital. The relatives of the deceased driver will be "persuaded" not to make a claim.
The final word is up to the court, not the public.
And after all, they knew that he was drinking. Obviously they stopped him drunk more than once at the wheel. He pushed aside and drove on. Hence the confidence in impunity.
The opinion of colleagues, in particular Nikita Dzhigurdy, is inaudible.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: knn54

They will put Mikhal Mikhalych in the hospital. The relatives of the deceased driver will be "persuaded" not to make a claim.

most likely it will be. they will give a maximum of a couple of years of settlement

[Nyrobsky]

Now let him raise the culture in the zone and organize a prison theater there. He strove for this for a long time.

[1536]

Great! It turns out that in Russia there is a people consisting of people, for example, ordinary Ryazan elderly men who ride on anything, past the grandiose Moscow buildings. And these people also work where they want, where they want, and live there. It turns out that they, impudent and impudent, dare to interfere with the pastime in the evening Moscow "grandiose artists" and their grandiose hangers-on.

[Polente the Wanderer]

To a greater extent interfere with officials, children of officials, wealthy, those who can smear their

[opuonmed]

swollen done things must answer if they start to anoint him then this is not the state but zilch

[Pvi1206]

in Russia there was already a case when a writer in a similar case was released from prison ... he was a specialist in distorting Russian history .. I can’t remember his name ... but he was sober behind the wheel ...

[Brancodd]

Radzinsky.

[Ros 56]

Efrem assassin must be in prison.

[Wedmak]

Drunk driving, accident with the deceased: article, court, prison. Everything is clear and understandable, and not what Simonyan and others want. The actor may be a good one, but there should be no options.

[Gardamir]

Actor can and good

I know one Austrian artist. Who knows the artist, maybe a good one ...
Where is the line? Here is the actor, and here is the killer!

[Wedmak]

The line appears when, through the fault of the artist or actor, a person dies. Is this not enough for you?

[Gardamir]

Is this not enough for you?

More than enough for me personally. I'm talking about those who talk about "actor". It doesn't matter who the person is by profession and so on. It turns out that officials and actors can crush people.

[Andrey.AN]

If the judge takes into account circumstances, such as the unauthorized organization of mass media by persecuting a drunken scorcher, then there should be options, some of the materials in the media came from employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs - that is, they already carried out the punishment, as the pre-trial detention center is taken into account. The investigation must still find out all the circumstances, if there were passengers, their role.

[Alex 2020]

It doesn’t matter who you are — the clown, the president, etc. .. First of all, you must be a person and be responsible for your actions under the law.

[Polente the Wanderer]

All fatal accidents should be classified as murder, injuries with injuries as attempted murder. Everyone should answer, BUT those who to some extent have related or other connections in government structures are constantly exempted from responsibility.
The court, in the course of the reconsideration of the case (the first sentence was appealed by the relatives of the women victims of the accident), sentenced Anna Shavenkova to 2,5 years in a penal colony with a delay in the execution of the sentence until March 6, 2024, until her child reaches the age of 14.
In the Irkutsk region, under an amnesty for the Victory anniversary, the daughter of the former chairman of the regional election committee, Anna Shavenkova, was released from criminal liability for knocking down two women on the sidewalk, one of whom died, the local news agency Irkutsk Online reports.

[Nikolay87]

Quote: Wanderer Polente

In the Irkutsk region, under an amnesty for the Victory anniversary, the daughter of the former chairman of the regional election committee, Anna Shavenkova, was released from criminal liability for knocking down two women on the sidewalk, one of whom died, the local news agency Irkutsk Online reports.

Oh, comrade, for me, as a person from this field, this is a clear example for life of our state system. Despite her behavior during the accident (I have not seen such cynicism in my life), a person did not sit in jail for a day. And there 1 person died, the second disabled person until the end of his life.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nikolay87

Despite her accident behavior (I have never seen such cynicism in my life)

Passers-by are also good.

[Alexey Z]

Well, if such a moron drives into you and dies, will you also be judged for murder?

[Mitya2424]

The worst thing is that our "most humane", taking into account active repentance and positive characteristics from the place of work, will sentence this murderer to the lowest limit, i.e. FIVE years of imprisonment, of which he will serve 1 year in a warm place at the head of the club, because he will be credited with 2-3 years of house arrest, and of course parole ... And, which is typical, everything is in strict accordance with the letter of the law

[Andrey VOV]

Nonsense .. don’t say that anymore

[Indifferent]

The noise has risen! So Efremov to sit! Another thing is that it will not last long. Several suitcases of green cut paper will be taken and released on parole. We know how to do it! Well, and the fact that the liberda high will raise, that the "accursed" power of the "great" people is imprisoning, then this is unconditional. They are "moon-faced" and with blue blood. They sit down! But Efremov, released on subscription, may not live to see prison. With grief, now it will begin to whip so that health is not enough. So it would be much more beneficial for his personal health to stay in a pre-trial detention center. And it takes two years there, like in Kamchatka. And then the prison would have cured him of alcoholism. You look and you yourself would have lived longer. Indeed, next time KAMAZ may meet him.

[Gardamir]

Cool, and more recently, this Simonyan was untwisted as the most important patriot of Russia.
And Efremov should be in prison.
And these actresses. when Brezhnev wanted to rehabilitate Stalin in 1968, the actresses began to write letters, even those who had received the Stalin Prize at one time.
Do not forget now is not a state of workers and peasants. Now the merchants rule, and the serving jesters are held in high esteem.

[Bolo]

This simonyan is still that agent of influence! The one who put this two-faced toad in this place is playing a game against Russia ...

[Overlock]

Quote: Bolo

The one who put this two-faced toad in this place is playing a game against Russia ...

Since its founding in 2005 Since its founding in 2005, Russia Today (now RT), the first Russian information channel to broadcast in English around the clock, has been its editor-in-chief [25]. She took this post at the age of 25 years [26]. (now RT), the first Russian news channel broadcasting in English around the clock, is its editor in chief. She took this post at the age of 25 years.
RT is funded from the federal budget of the Russian Federation.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Gardamir

Cool, and more recently, this Simonyan was untwisted as the most important patriot of Russia.
And Efremov should be in prison.
And these actresses. when Brezhnev wanted to rehabilitate Stalin in 1968, the actresses began to write letters, even those who had received the Stalin Prize at one time.
Do not forget now is not a state of workers and peasants. Now the merchants rule, and the serving jesters are held in high esteem.

Plus, unconditionally.

[your1970]

Quote: Gardamir

It's cool, and more recently, this Simonyan was untwisted as the most important patriot of Russia ..

-you read carefully didn’t try - what exactly did she write !!!!!
"I really don't want the grandiose Russian actor to be in prison." - she regrets that Efremov will go to prison (this is a matter of taste, is he great or so-so)
"I really don't want toTo convicts of lawlessnessthemselves regularly terrifying lawlessness did."-she is against that Efremov convicts everyone and everything - he himself would do lawlessness. Is this your bad?
“I really don't want the middle-aged courier-driver to die or remain disabled.” - she regrets the deceased driver.
What is it here NOT patriotism?

[really]

It is one thing to read, another to understand what is read.

[aviator6768]

This is called "chatting" the problem. Let's be legally guilty? Yes ! Should I answer? Yes ! Otherwise, why all these amendments, the constitution in general, all the more so - zeroing. here it is necessary to reset everyone to a salary of 12 thousand ...

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Gardamir

Cool, and more recently, this Simonyan was untwisted as the most important patriot of Russia.

that's it. From some hangover, this habalka was appointed plenipotentiary of the "Russian world". She is a depressingly limited talking head, which, outside the officialdom of the Republic of Tatarstan, carries such game that the outcome of the notorious "information war", about which citizens who think they are hyperpatriots like to mutter, are quite clear. To be honest, this matron, "a little pregnant" with patriotism, causes nothing but irritation.

[Sergej1972]

Nobody condemned Stalin in the legal sense, so it could only be about political rehabilitation. But neither Brezhnev nor Suslov wanted this. In fact, in 1957, they helped Khrushchev in the case of the so-called "anti-party group." In addition, the decisions of the 20th and 22nd Party Congresses could only be canceled by the Party Congress.

[iouris]

This is worse than what happened recently "once in America." A Negro, a US citizen killed by a police officer, was buried as a national hero in a "golden coffin." It's impossible with us. I suggest the fans of the "grandiose actor", a chronic alcoholic who does not dry out for twenty years either on stage or at the wheel, repeatedly "washed" from similar crimes of a repeat offender, and also a prominent representative of the "elite", to collect money for a "golden coffin" and morally bury killer. Let the dead bury their dead.
A person cannot be returned. In view of the fact that the victims, most likely, cannot count on compensation for moral damage, a fundraiser should be organized in their favor.

[Dmitriy Zadorozhniy]

The law is harsh, but it is the law! On the bunks, fuck the balance.

[Charik]

with his money-balance

[iouris]

Quote: Dmitriy Zadorozhniy

On the bunks, fuck the balance.

It is known that the severity of laws is compensated by the non-binding nature of their implementation. If this chronic alcoholic motorist belongs to the "elite", then even more so (Mara Baghdasaryan, Shamsuarov ...)
He also said (drunk) that he had "a lot of money." Attention is the question: what will he spend money on very expensive lawyers or on the payment of monetary compensation for moral damage and material damage to the relatives of the murdered? You will see everything for yourself.

[Prisoner]

A drunkard and a killer. His house is a prison!

[yuliatreb]

Here, one does not have to be a clairvoyant to understand that this is not his first time driving a car in a state of non-standing, this is an overwhelming arrogance and disregard for the laws, plus the fact that he is completely confident in his impunity and unties his hands and throats into which they are without measure pour alcohol and allow themselves various other abominations. This is what you need to be d ......... m, so that in such a state with such heavy traffic to drive?

[Charik]

you have to be a fool, so that you don’t have a personal carrier with such money

[Fedorovich]

Well, no matter how 58 years old - really not a boy, but he doesn’t even pull on the old man ... And who is this Efremov?

[shubin]

Efremov, of course, is an eccentric with the letter "m", but here are his words: "Actor Mikhail Efremov asked to be judged by the law and is ready for a real prison sentence for an accident in a drunken state and the death of a person," said his colleague, an actor of the Sovremennik theater "Ivan Stebunov, who was at the scene of the accident, writes" Komsomolskaya Pravda. " Well, as it actually will be, we'll see.

[Sergey269]

Regardless of the title of "Honored Artist", he is definitely a CRIMINAL! He killed a man, he brought unsolvable problems to the family, for the family it is a tragedy! In what way is he better than the MAN he killed? The fact that eggs on the stage tras, in the movie was filmed, in the liberals signed up? Yes, practically all these "clowns from IZZKUZDVA" should be quarantined in Solovki! Someone, for the time of self-isolation, the servants have nothing to support, someone drunk - it is expensive to call a taxi ... And he killed a MAN who supported the family, working "25" hours a day! They write, let's throw ourselves off, help the family of the murdered, and let the murderer atone for his sin on stage, let's forgive ... People, are you out of your mind? I went through three wars. They killed me, I killed ... Pleasure, and especially the prosperity I did not get from my job ... Colonel retired. But, understand, it's time to put an end to this outrage, when we should be afraid even of clowns!

[Peter is not the first]

Regardless of what he is now claiming, after a while, he will suddenly find himself with a "heart" attack on long-term treatment in London. And there he will declare political repressions against him and receive protection from the "liberal and democratic" West.

[Lontus]

On the bunks of an ever-drunk clown !!

[Nikolay87]

They will be sentenced for merit for 6 years, 4 of them conditionally and from the remaining 2 years they will sit for six months and will be remanded in parole for good behavior. Or amnesty on the occasion of the 75th anniversary of victory.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

grand actor

the actor is better off, they say, continue to play on stage, and the family of the deceased - to help with money and hush up the matter

Yeah:

"Viru" to the prince - two hundred rams;

"Golovnichestvo" to the relatives of the deceased - a dozen / two rams;

The "lesson" to the master of the murdered slave (in modern terminology: to the employer of the deceased) is eighty sheep.

Total - three hundred sheep and go look for the next victim.

Century of history we lived in vain, to build at least something fair, society did not work out with us?

[Gardamir]

at least fair, society did not work out with us?

To leave, it turned out, but then they explained to everyone that we are all bee-poor, but if we abandon socialism, we will immediately become merchants and princes.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Gardamir

To leave, it turned out, but then they explained to everyone that we are all bee-poor, but if we abandon socialism, we will immediately become merchants and princes.

No, we didn’t even roll back to the princes. Then it was possible to at least choose the relatives of the murdered — the right to blood feud or vira-golovnichestvo-lesson. Now, it seems, without a choice.
And even earlier, the nobility basically had all the estate and the whole family on their land, and if an enemy of some kind, together with the people, the nobility went to defend their land. And today, the adversary has a considerable share of the property of our nobility, and their children / grandchildren live in the adversary's "hostages". Here, if any enemy will covet the Russian land, its people, it will also be necessary to count - it is profitable, alas, no, to resist the accursed foe. That is, the difference is with the times of the princes.

[Barmal]

For the system there will be a test for the impartiality and inevitability of the law for a cheerful drunkard.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Barmal

For the system there will be a test for the impartiality and inevitability of the law for a cheerful drunkard.

For the "system" he is nobody. Moreover, I read abusive verses about Putin. Therefore, they will be punished as it should be. Now, if an official arranged such an accident, then there would be a test for impartiality. Although how many such tests have already been failed is countless.

[5-9]

What the hell ???? He never drank alcohol in life!
Only sleeping pills ... because I couldn’t sleep because Kay-G-Be and F-S-Be-heiress of K-G-B tortured the country .... and so that K-G-B and F-S-Be - the successor Kay-GB did not guess, for half a century he poured sleeping pills into bottles from under vodka, cognac, brandy, sherry, mezcal, absinthe, rum and even moonshine!

[Krasnoyarsk]

= I really do not want a grandiose Russian actor to be in prison. =
I read these lines, I'm sitting, trying to remember films with his participation, I can’t remember a single one.
Come to mind: Shukshin, with his "Kalina krasnaya", Bondarchuk with his "Fate of a Man." I just want to write the word man with a capital letter, Smoktunovsky "Primordial Rus", "Dead Souls", Ulyanov as Zhukov, Zharov with his Aniskin, Lavrov "The Taming of Fire". Yes, it will take a long time to list all, Efremov, father, I remember - "Three poplars on Plyushchikha", "Beware of the car". Efremov, my son - I don't remember.
I see with Simonyan, in this matter, different preferences.
Drinking at the wheel is an aggravating circumstance. According to law. Without any emollients.

[Sergey269]

Regardless of the title of "Honored Artist", he is definitely a CRIMINAL! He killed a man, he brought unsolvable problems to the family, for the family it is a tragedy! In what way is he better than the MAN he killed? The fact that eggs on the stage tras, in the movie was filmed, in the liberals signed up? Yes, practically all these "clowns from IZZKUZDVA" should be quarantined in Solovki! Someone, for the time of self-isolation, the servants have nothing to support, someone drunk - it is expensive to call a taxi ... And he killed a MAN who supported the family, working "25" hours a day! They write, let's throw ourselves off, help the family of the murdered, and let the murderer atone for his sin on stage, let's forgive ... People, are you out of your mind? I went through three wars. They killed me, I killed ... Pleasure, and especially the prosperity I did not get from my job ... Colonel retired. But, understand, it's time to put an end to this outrage, when we should be afraid even of clowns!

[Dikson]

Well, how can it be, Krasnoyarsk .. He played our land in the episode in "9th company" ... Dembel, whose board was filled with spirits on takeoff ...

[your1970]

"Border. Taiga Romance" - quite realistic captain-gouging played

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Dikson

Well, how can it be, Krasnoyarsk .. He played our land in the episode in "9th company" ... Dembel, whose board was filled with spirits on takeoff ...

Well, sorry, to see the role is so "outstanding" that I somehow did not notice.

[aviator6768]

and now he has dishonored the "land" ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Sergey269

definitely he is a CRIMINAL! He killed a man, he brought unsolvable problems to the family, for the family - it is a tragedy! ... it's time to put an end to this disgrace, when we should be afraid of even clowns!

He became a criminal when drunk behind the wheel climbed, with no options. My comrade in Norway was famously convicted and imprisoned for trying to get closer to management - a threat to the lives of other people. This ghoul of Man killed, all merits do not count

[Alex Justice]

grandiose Russian actor

What is grandiose in it? Cuckoo praises a rooster .....?
One of the many thousands of actors, the lucky ones, who made their way upstairs thanks to my father's ties, etc. His job is to entertain us, not to kill on a booze.

[Sergey269]

That's right, only one moment begs. Our locksmith (If he really is a locksmith), came, made and left. Everyone is happy, and the locksmith and the customer! A bad locksmith will come, you will not let him on the threshold again! What the hell, I ask you, we put up with all this muck, why the Ministry of Culture does not drive these black sheep from the feeder? But in the feeder our taxes, our money with you!

[Asad]

Bochkareva from the series Happy Together, received a condition for cocaine, although there was noise.

[Oleg Zorin]

The usual judicial practice for those caught for the first time, without marketing, with good social status.

[Tank hard]

Quote: ASAD

Bochkareva from the series Happy Together, received a condition for cocaine, although there was noise.

The fine was awarded at 30 thousand rubles, and all cases.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

if she was under coke, God forbid, killed someone with her escalade - it would be different.
Although...

[Nikolay87]

Yes, the whole of Moscow sits on a coconut, but what about Moscow, all who have fewer little babosiki found. Here is Efremov’s blood in alcohol! and drugs found.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Why did this habalka Simonyan speak out, and not Mrs. Zakharova? The accident happened in front of her department on Smolenka. As a well-known liberal girl, Manya must defend the "artist grandioso". And with her arrogant attitude towards "ordinary Russians" it is clear that the Ryazan resident killed by this goat is nobody for her. Plebeian.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer

Manya <...> with her arrogant attitude towards "ordinary Russians"

Something passed me by. Will you remind? Or are you lying?

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Something passed me by.

Her interview with Zygar. Her complaints that traveling abroad became accessible to the plebs. Like, the people imagines themselves to be the middle class. But you should not - you need to know your place.

[Nikolay87]

Comrade, well, a reference should be, well ...

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

https://youtu.be/HDDuwk8qKwI

[Nikolay87]

In fact, she talks about air travel in a pandemic and the effects of mass transportation. https://youtu.be/HDDuwk8qKwI?t=956 (timing set). Learn to identify the main thing in the conversation, and not evaluate by words taken out of context.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Nikolay87

Learn to identify the main thing in a conversation

You see particulars. You see, Manya is an apologist for caste, and she doesn't even hide it. You have to be blind in order not to notice her sympathy for class segregation - listen to her interview in the archives of Echo of Moscow - a liberal woman who, by the will of a career, found herself in that state institute and in that position where volunteerism and deviations from training manuals are unacceptable. This connoisseur of cigars would look much more harmonious in the Foreign Ministry of some villainous Kozyrev, and with the same enthusiasm and irony would tell the plebs on Twitter why the Kuril Islands should be given to the Japanese, the shelf norgs and the term "national interests" should be removed from the lexicon of diplomats. However, the current trends are also high for her - society has collapsed into plebeians and patricians. And people like her, bronzing creatures just want nonsense - to place markers and show the plebs his place. In addition to the "talking head" Nobless Noble, she loves the current government also because she hates the very idea of ​​the middle class.

[Nikolay87]

In those 30 minutes I didn’t hear any signs of segregation .. but you give me a reference, I’ll study (it became interesting). All the same, she grew up in the late Soviet Union, where does the love for classiness come from ?! Rather, it is a longing for traditions, or upbringing with a graded clear gradation of the necessary efforts to achieve certain results can. In general, if it’s not difficult, give a link, otherwise you won’t reconsider everything on the Internet with Zakharova.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Nikolay87

All the same, she grew up in the late Soviet Union, where does the love for classiness come from ?!

Are you so naive? She is from an intelligent family of a diplomat, she studied at MGIMO - this says, if not everything, then a lot. She was born with an elite spoon in her mouth, what does the "late Soviet Union" have to do with it? You talk about him as about the era of the Late Jomon) When Soviet citizens looked at dental floss with sacred trepidation or drove smoky scrap metal from Poland, she was already rubbing herself in circles that understood a lot about the niche of consumer society and looked down on people outside her circle. And he continues to do so. She is, of course, not your usual dumb conformist, no. She apparently has some utilitarian talents. Although, to be honest, I did not see absolutely no talent for rhetoric in this interview.
She is an ordinary hypocritical mimicroid who climbed into the media tops solely due to the total information mess and the demand of the manipulated audience for some creature from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs ("preferably a woman") who, in an ironic and accessible manner, would say nice things in the spirit of Cold War propaganda ". She, like her colleague in the workshop, Shorty Shapiro (aka Soloviev), pray for the immortality and irremovability of Putin. Only in his shadow are they interesting. Outside - the usual obese party.

[Nikolay87]

Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker

Are you so naive

I assumed. I wrote that I’m not following her activities. And where she comes from, where she studied and in which family I don’t really care about yet, I’m interested in what she says. I understood your relationship with her from a previous post. And I didn’t wait for references to the love of class.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer

Her interview with Zygar

Leafing through, leafing through - not found. Still lying?

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Leafing through, leafing through - not found.

I’m not going to chew for a crab fan club. Listen - and yes hear. Or not.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer

for manin fan club

I’m not interested in old women, I prefer girls of their age. It offends me for the truth.

[Dr. Frankenstucker]

Ok, take an interest in Buzova, no one forbids.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer

be interested in Buzova

For the sake of your wife I will make an exception

[Captan78]

Citizen Vasilyeva, who misled citizen Serdyukov, I remember I went to the colony .... And then I left))) Is the law the same for everyone?

[Million]

It’s Russia, which became Asiope (s), where laws are applied very selectively

[Tank hard]

And here is the "native Muscovite" her face slightly opened. They think that everything and everyone can be bought, they are mistaken ...

It is worth noting that in the "creative elites" there are already people who say something like the following: they don’t return the person (Sergey Zakharov), they say, it’s better for the actor to continue to play on stage, and the family of the deceased can help with money and hush up business ... Such proposals cannot be called cynicism and an attempt to interpret the law "for oneself"

[mmaxx]

I think that drunk actors will not lose us. But ordinary normal people will always be missed.

[Tagan]

Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker

Makar does not make anything up. He has his own opinion, different from the opinion of colleagues in the shop, looking into the mouth of the authorities in anticipation of nishtyaks for loyalty.

Makar does not make up. He is indignant.))) Commercial interests in Crimea suffered. He also thought that he was untouchable.

[pereselenec]

Let us miss my personal attitude to Efremov (which consists in the fact that as an actor he is talent, and as a person - shit). Efremov has committed a crime and must answer according to the law.

Nevertheless, it is obvious that the propaganda murzilki from the box and the Kremlin jackets, all these fat - scabeevs - Volodins - were overexcited only because Efremov read funny rhymes about Putin and his thieving officials as part of the "citizen-poet" project.



I don’t think that in the competencies of Volodin, Peskov and others in general, to go nose in an accident investigation and to crow something about Efremov there. Let them leave the Kremlin apparatus, go to work in the traffic police, and then go on the screens with their statements.

Besides, I wanted to ask where they were all when other officials were crushing the "drunk boys"? When do Russians from the southernmost regions of our homeland crush schoolgirls?

[Tagan]

Quote: Fedorovich

Well, no matter how 58 years old - really not a boy, but he doesn’t even pull on the old man ... And who is this Efremov?

Yes, people talk, drunk

[Dikson]

Why in VO these articles about a drunken actor? Is he a military man? Does it affect the defense capability of our homeland, starring in the role of military commissar in a clip with Agutin about military service in the border troops? What are you discussing here that is already clear? He will pay off. Friends will help. Here the court will be - then we will discuss ... Maybe ..

[Tank hard]

Quote: Dikson

Why in VO these articles about a drunken actor? Is he a military man?

This may crush the military, if not punished.

[really]

Ie if not a military, then not so scary?

[Tank hard]

Quote: really

Ie if not a military, then not so scary?

You really do not understand what I, or so, to troll?

[really]

Honestly, no. But I know that if you put on a civilian uniform, he looks like a military man, if you take off his uniform from a military man he looks civilian, and you can mix them up at all in a bathhouse.

[Tank hard]

Quote: really

Honestly, no.

I explained to a person about what you did when he asked a question about what the military and the incident with Efremov have to do with it.

[iouris]

Quote: Dikson

Why in VO these articles about a drunken actor? Is he a military man? Affects the defense of our country

It influences defense capability for a long time and actively: it educates "defenders of our Motherland": they take an example from him and from his heroes!

[really]

I remember such defenders when the discussed and condemned only finished the theater, and the soldiers brought and carried them out of service, more often they carried them out.

[Okolotochny]

Why in VO these articles about a drunken actor?

Little sracha, hype, emotions.

[bar]

Are we already starting to discuss the discussions? Have come ...

[really]

It is always the most interesting

[Catfish]

I do not believe in Basmannoe Justice, I do not believe the authorities, not a single word. They will pull out this court jester, because they all go to the same taverns, they sleep with some women and everything is tied up there.