Ministry of Defense intends to purchase hospital ships

Ministry of Defense intends to purchase hospital ships

The Ministry of Defense intends to acquire new hospital ships. Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu addressed the Russian President with a corresponding proposal. It is reported Merchant with reference to own sources.


According to the publication, two options for building hospital ships for the Ministry of Defense are currently being proposed. The first one, proposed by the head of the military department, Sergei Shoigu, consists in the acquisition in China of two ship-rollers (transportation of vehicles, etc.) and their conversion into hospitals in Chinese shipyards. In this case, the Ministry of Defense will receive ships in about three years, and the purchase and reconstruction will cost about 8 billion rubles.

Against this is the Ministry of Industry and Trade, which proposes to build ships in Russia. In this case, the construction period will be longer, the price will be higher, but the vessels will be new, and not converted from those already in operation. It will also allow loading Russian shipyards with work.

According to available information, Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the government to work out both proposals.

Meanwhile, according to another source, in early May, representatives of the United Shipbuilding Corporation already submitted a report to Putin on the possibility of building hospital ships. In the USC, Vympel Design Bureau and Nevskoye Design Bureau worked on the development of the project, options for building hospital ships for 500 and 1000 people were considered.

As previously reported, currently in the Russian fleet formally, there are three hospital ships of Project 320 built in Poland: Irtysh - Pacific Fleet, Svir - Northern Fleet, Yenisei - Black Sea Fleet. In fact, there is only one vessel in operation - the Irtysh, which has undergone repair and modernization, two other vessels are awaiting repair.
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  1. Nuclear_winter 9 June 2020 16: 03 New
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    An order from China was to be expected, given that our shipbuilding clearly could not cope with its tasks, and placing an order at domestic shipyards would probably greatly delay its execution.
    1. Insurgent 9 June 2020 16: 10 New
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      Currently, there are two options for building hospital ships for the Ministry of Defense. The first one, proposed by the head of the military department, Sergei Shoigu, consists in the acquisition in China of two ship-rollers (transportation of vehicles, etc.) and their conversion into hospitals in Chinese shipyards. In this case, the Ministry of Defense will receive ships in about three years, and the purchase and reconstruction will cost about 8 billion rubles.

      Against this is the Ministry of Industry and Trade, which proposes to build ships in Russia. In this case, the construction period will be longer, the price will be higher, but the vessels will be new, and not converted from those already in operation. It will also allow loading Russian shipyards with work.

      According to available information, Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the government to work out both proposals.


      In principle, if you rely on the available (?) "At the top" data on the military-political situation in the world, then if "time is suffering" - you definitely need to build it yourself.

      If you are "running out" - you need to hurry up and order in China.
      1. PN
        PN 9 June 2020 23: 05 New
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        As for me, they can be built on Zvezdochka on the basis of the ship of project 20180. There, the technology for building hulls has already been debugged.
        1. Mavrikiy 10 June 2020 03: 51 New
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          Quote: PN
          As for me, they can be built on Zvezdochka on the basis of the ship of project 20180. There, the technology for building hulls has already been debugged.

          Uh-huh. request “Bulk, pile on the word.” Joke. From guns on sparrows. The second one. The asterisk is 10 years ahead. Super tankers, gas carriers, and so on to aircraft carriers inclusive.
          It’s not at all clear why hospital ships of this size are needed. From Syria to carry the wounded or sick with a coronovirus, from where and where. Are generals getting ready for past wars? However, if the ships are equipped with ramps ....... repeat
          Option 3. It is possible to build ships half as much in size, but more in quantity, if it is clear how many people need. In inner shipyards can be built. Yes, there is no experience, but also in large shipyards. But they will begin to enter the system faster, and it will come out cheaper. hi
          1. PN
            PN 10 June 2020 20: 57 New
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            You did not understand. Zvezdochka (Severodvinsk) and Zvezda (Far East) are different enterprises. What are supertankers, what are gas carriers ??? Zvezdochka has never dealt with them and does not plan to deal with them; there are no suitable areas. And the ship of project 20180 is not so big, something in the area of ​​5 thousand tons. displacement.
      2. ccsr 10 June 2020 12: 11 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        If you are "running out" - you need to hurry up and order in China.

        It would not be running out, but these are not warships, and therefore in no case can they be ordered in China and generally anywhere. These hospitals need to be built only at our shipyards, and any sane person will support the position of the Ministry of Trade. Although there are doubts about how relevant the very construction of such ships at the present time, but in general, since the budget can allocate money for this, they must be used to raise our industry in the first place. And the use of these ships on the Northern Sea Route will help provide medical assistance to our citizens in remote areas, i.e. the idea itself is quite reasonable, if you look ahead.
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich 11 June 2020 07: 42 New
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          I agree with you ... We are already ANA transporters, from the forelocks, we were going to order ....
  2. svp67 9 June 2020 16: 08 New
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    Something seems to me that both options are possible, since our shipyards are already quite loaded, and with this development we will be able to get these support ships we need, in different versions. But when choosing one manufacturer, I would still like to build such ships at home ... Enough to feed China.
    1. Krasnoyarsk 9 June 2020 16: 55 New
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      Quote: svp67

      Something seems to me that both options are possible, since our shipyards are already quite loaded, and with this development, we will be able to get these necessary

      I can’t pretend to say, but it seems to me that the Crimean shipyards are not completely loaded.
      Maybe due to a lack of working hands (specialists), maybe due to the deterioration of the machinery, and most likely both of them, and maybe even a third.
      1. Vadim237 9 June 2020 20: 14 New
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        In the Crimea, two landing ships laid down - the rest is clogged with orders.
  3. Doccor18 9 June 2020 16: 09 New
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    It consists in the acquisition in China of two ship-rollers (transportation of vehicles, etc.) and their conversion into hospitals in Chinese shipyards. In this case, the Ministry of Defense will receive ships in about three years ...

    Cheap and realistic option.
    Against this is the Ministry of Industry and Trade, which proposes to build ships in Russia. In this case, the construction period will be longer, the price will be higher, but the vessels will be new ...

    Expensive and less realistic.
    They will choose him.
    UDC and here are the hospital floating ...
    Russia has acquired colonies or something, I don’t know. Who knows?
    1. Insurgent 9 June 2020 16: 23 New
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      Quote: Doccor18
      UDC and here are the hospital floating ...
      Russia has acquired colonies or something, I don’t know. Who knows?


      Who knows who knows what .

      "Suddenly" have to colonize (civilize) the feral Outskirts?
      1. Lara Croft 9 June 2020 19: 08 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: Doccor18
        UDC and here are the hospital floating ...
        Russia has acquired colonies or something, I don’t know. Who knows?


        Who knows who knows what .

        "Suddenly" have to colonize (civilize) the feral Outskirts?

        Well, if you need to colonize it, in my opinion Ukraine itself is no longer needed ...
        1. Insurgent 9 June 2020 19: 15 New
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          Quote: Lara Croft
          Well, if you need to colonize it, in my opinion Ukraine itself is no longer needed ...

          Thinly, not in a state, think destructively ...
          1. Lara Croft 9 June 2020 19: 36 New
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            Quote: Insurgent
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Well, if you need to colonize it, in my opinion Ukraine itself is no longer needed ...

            Thinly, not in a state, think destructively ...

            Large, by state, constructively, how is it? After 30 years of independence, they should take 36 million parasites and rogue people for maintenance, so they once made their choice in favor of independence (and then there were more Russians in Ukraine than now), and at the time when the Ukrainian SSR became Ukraine there 55 million people and quite normal living people and gasification everywhere and complete electrification of railways, in Ukraine under the Union you would not have gone there black huts with a rickety fence and imported kirosin ...
            1. Insurgent 9 June 2020 19: 42 New
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              Quote: Lara Croft
              Large, by state, constructively, how is it?

              Not allowing the final penetration of US military infrastructure there.

              Russia will not be there, there will be the USA.
              And if for you this is “So, pooh”, then my previous comment very accurately characterized your ideas about the importance of solving the “Ukrainian issue” for the security of the Russian Federation
              .
              1. Lara Croft 9 June 2020 20: 16 New
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                Quote: Insurgent
                Russia will not be there, there will be the USA. .

                The United States will and will already be in Ukraine (at least in Ochakovo), Ukraine will be in the EU and NATO, and the other thing is that it will not be all its current territory there ...
                The Russians who voted together with the Ukrainians for independence 30 years ago (not in the best years for the USSR) dug their own grave, just as they dug their own grave in the Baltic states ...
                And in general, Ukrainians-it is Russian betrayed Russian ....
                The Russians who allowed the collapse of the Union and live in the RSFSR are now paying for it, we almost lost the country and survived two Chechen wars, I think we paid for our stupidity and started to build a new country, and now you offer me to take responsibility for the stupidity Ukrainians that they committed 30 years ago, and then it was further aggravated by the two Maidan ...
            2. Krasnoyarsk 9 June 2020 22: 52 New
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              Quote: Lara Croft
              Large, by state, constructively, how is it?

              Not like you. First, you give up Ukraine for no reason, then you give up Belarus, then the Smolensk region is next in line.
              Quote: Lara Croft
              to take for the maintenance of 36 million parasites and rogues,

              So he took, walking offended and humiliated a whole nation. It smacks of Nazism.
              1. Lara Croft 9 June 2020 23: 09 New
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                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Not like you.

                Well, this is my personal opinion is not yours ...
                First, give up Ukraine for no reason, then give up Belarus

                I did not sign illegal documents in Belovezhskaya Pushcha that contributed to the collapse of the USSR and did not participate in the referendum on the integrity of the Union, due to the lack of age-specific suffrage at that time ....
                By conspiracy in the Bialowieza Forest - I think that what happened there is a crime, because the legislation of the USSR was violated at that time ...
                In addition, I remember that not all the republics of the Union decided to hold a nationwide referendum (Ukraine was among these republics) ...
                You already clearly confirm your talking room about the fact that I pushed some republics away from me, and if you lapochit, motivate something like that, if not a woman ...
                then the turn of the Smolensk region.

                .... what a bunch in a puddle? Smolensk region is part of the Russian Federation, taking the oath of service in the Russian Army, I vowed to defend including and the inhabitants of the Smolensk region, in Smolensk he was on a business trip, really liked ...
                So he took, walking offended and humiliated a whole nation.

                From the moment when the power chosen by the people of Ukraine began to threaten my people, the citizens of Ukraine are enemies for me ... and mind you, I didn’t say a word about the Ukrainians, namely the citizens of Ukraine, where the majority are still Russian ...
                1. Krasnoyarsk 10 June 2020 09: 06 New
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                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  I did not sign illegal documents in Belovezhskaya Pushcha

                  Judging by how you speak about the people of Ukraine, you would not hesitate to sign a Bialowieza conspiracy.
                  Quote: Lara Croft

                  In addition, I remember that not all the republics of the Union decided to hold a nationwide referendum (Ukraine was among these republics) ...

                  Is that which? March 91? If we are talking about him, then I dare to upset you, Lara. In Ukraine, this referendum was held and 82% supported the preservation of the USSR.
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  You clearly confirm your talking room about

                  And I clearly, based on your, Lara, words, draw conclusions.
                  Once again for Lara, - there is a sequential chain of events, you, Lara, easily agreed with the first link, - "well, her, this Ukraine, these rogues", a little time will pass and you, Lara (!), With the same ease You will say the same thing about Belarus, and then the trouble began lightly, and Smolenskaya and what kind of "Kemsky volost" will appear in your reasoning.
                  What's wrong?
                  1. Lara Croft 10 June 2020 14: 10 New
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                    Krasnoyarsk Judging by how you speak about the people of Ukraine, you would not hesitate to sign a Bialowieza conspiracy.

                    Here you are stubborn, somehow ...
                    I wouldn’t sign it, because it was illegal, but I didn’t say that the RSFSR would be better off living either separately from the entire USSR, subject to all constitutional norms on the exit order, or building your future with all the republics as part of the Confederate State with a fairer distribution of budget allocations to the RSFSR than it was under the USSR ...
                    But as shown by the negative experience (and only for the Russian Federation) of creating the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, it is better for the Russian Federation to live as an independent state ...
                    Regarding the Ukrainian people, I already said, read carefully, I consider the citizens of Ukraine as enemies, and not Ukrainians in general, because Ukrainians with Russian citizenship also live in the Russian Federation, constituting in numbers after the Russians and Tatars, third place ...
                    If the citizens of Ukraine chose people who threaten the Russian Federation and its citizens, then, accordingly, for which I must love the citizens of Ukraine ...
                    Is that which? March 91? If we are talking about him, then I dare to upset you, Lara. In Ukraine, this referendum was held and 82% supported the preservation of the USSR.

                    By no means.
                    Simultaneously with the Declaration of Independence, a Decree on the Declaration of Independence was adopted, which stipulated the holding of a referendum on December 1, 1991 to confirm the Declaration of Independence. December 1, 93% of the population of Ukraine voted for independence. Then Ukraine was recognized by foreign states, in particular: on December 2, 1991, Poland recognized the independence of Ukraine, on the same day, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney declared that Canada would recognize Ukraine as an independent state, the next day a protocol was signed on establishing international relations between Ukraine and the Republic of Hungary and the first embassy in Ukraine began its work; on December 4, Lithuania and Latvia recognized Ukraine, December 5 - Russia and Bulgaria. In total, 57 countries of the world recognized Ukraine during the first month after the referendum, 130 states during the first year of independence. On August 24, 1991, a blue-yellow flag was raised above the dome of the Verkhovna Rada - the flag of Ukraine, which people brought under the walls of the Verkhovna Rada. (The source of information is the portal History.RF, https://histrf.ru/lenta-vremeni/event/view/riefieriendum-o-niezavisimosti-ukrainy)

                    https://histrf.ru/lenta-vremeni/event/view/riefieriendum-o-niezavisimosti-ukrainy
                    and Smolenskaya and what kind of "Kemsky volost" will appear in your reasoning.
                    What's wrong?

                    Insane or Troll? What do you all repeat the same thing to gain extra respect for yourself? Do not look for nothing ...
                    Well, for the stupid, I repeat again:
                    Smolensk region is part of the Russian Federation, taking the oath of service in the Russian Army, I vowed to defend including and the inhabitants of the Smolensk region, in Smolensk was on a business trip, really liked.
                    1. Krasnoyarsk 10 June 2020 20: 49 New
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                      Quote: Lara Croft

                      Simultaneously with the Declaration of Independence, a Decree on the Declaration of Independence was adopted, which stipulated the holding of a referendum on December 1, 1991 to confirm the Declaration of Independence. December 1, 93% of the population

                      And you recall what happened before December 1, 91, when Ukraine proclaimed independence?
                      Declaration of State Sovereignty of the RSFSR !!!
                      Adopted on June 12, 1990 !!! And what could Ukraine do?
                      So who disconnected from whom?
                      We often need to look in the mirror before blaming anyone for something - are they good?
                      Quote: Lara Croft

                      Apparently, what are you here to touch together with the Insurgent
                      Everyone was discussing the construction of hospital ships for the Russian Navy, but then suddenly

                      Larochka, I spoke quite unequivocally about the construction of hospital courts. Seek and find.
                      If you did not write all sorts of nonsense, I would not pay attention to you. And if you write, I just have to react. And then give you free rein ...
                  2. Lara Croft 10 June 2020 14: 36 New
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                    Krasnoyarsk Judging by how you speak about the people of Ukraine

                    Apparently, what are you here to touch together Insurgent
                    Everyone was discussing the construction of hospital ships for the Russian Navy, but then suddenly
                    forum member Insurgent Yesterday, 16:23 began to write about a topic that is in no way related to the topic of becoming, you are not, to make him a comment about the flood
                    "Suddenly" have to colonize (civilize) the feral Outskirts?
                    (what he wrote, he probably doesn’t know himself), they started to troll themselves .. I’ve been watching you two for a long time, you are amateurs on VO forums, turn the topic under discussion into a scandal ... starting with the flood ... and then continue with provocations ...
          2. Krasnoyarsk 9 June 2020 22: 46 New
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            Quote: Insurgent
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Well, if you need to colonize it, in my opinion Ukraine itself is no longer needed ...

            Thinly, not in a state, think destructively ...

            Myself and Lara, of course, do not need her, but we really do. And I do not intend to abandon Ukraine. And it is not necessary to colonize it, but once again release it.
      2. Andrei Nikolaevich 11 June 2020 07: 45 New
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        There’s already nothing to colonize. Devastation, complete. To rent in the EU, together with land, is easier and cheaper for our budget.
    2. tatarin1972 9 June 2020 17: 28 New
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      There is a Navy in the country, which nevertheless walks poorly, that's why hospital swimming is needed.
    3. Cyril G ... 9 June 2020 17: 38 New
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      So I, as it were, do not catch - why? Are we doing well with MO hospitals? I don’t think so ...
      If it really does, it would be necessary to understand where and how they plan to use them, and the solution should come from here. If time suffers, one. If it was necessary yesterday, otherwise. And it will come out as with the anti-piracy patrol ships named after Viti Chirkov. When the pirates were there, it was possible to resolve the issue here and now, after selecting about 4-6 trawlers in about half a year, sorting out the diesel engines and the units necessary for the raids, driving them through a dock repair armed with a pair of ZU-23, ATGMs, and machine guns, repainted the ball and sending them to the African shores. As a result, BOD pr.1155 and even Peter the Great went to “fight” with pirates, spending a resource on sheer nonsense. Meanwhile, for 7 years now we have been building a series of incomplete and meaningless patrolmen, plainly unsuitable both for patrols and for service in the IDF units
      1. Krasnoyarsk 10 June 2020 09: 20 New
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        Quote: Cyril G ...

        So I, as it were, do not catch - why? Are we doing well with MO hospitals? I don’t think so ...

        MO hospitals are one thing, and a hospital ship is another. And it should be in every fleet. It is one thing when the wounded are evacuated on a bulk carrier accidentally turned up, and another on a hospital ship. Which has everything from operating rooms to mental wards. There were everything in railway ambulance trains: a power station, a laundry room, a dining room, a kitchen, a pharmacy, an operating room, a lightly wounded carriage, a seriously wounded carriage, and a carriage for the insane.
        You understand, the earlier the wounded man gets on the operating table, the more chances he has to survive.
        I would really like these hospital ships to have good air defense of their own.
      2. ccsr 11 June 2020 11: 04 New
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        Quote: Cyril G ...
        When the pirates were there, it was possible to resolve the issue here and now, after selecting about 4-6 trawlers in about half a year, sorting out the diesel engines and the units necessary for the raids, driving them through a dock repair armed with a pair of ZU-23, ATGMs, and machine guns, repainted the ball and sending them to the African shores.

        This would be an optimal and low-cost option for us, but the fact that the resources of warships were spent is, by and large, a crime. Although I do not exclude that it was most likely an attempt to prove to the whole world that we are cool, as they say in such cases - "Pont is more expensive than money."
    4. Doctor 10 June 2020 11: 04 New
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      Russia has acquired colonies or something, I don’t know. Who knows?

      Just everything. The epidemic scared.
      We saw how in the USNS Comfort states we drove to New York, and we kept cruise ships in the ports.
      It is not known that a normal quarantine can be organized anywhere, if there was a desire and brains.

      Although, if instead of a bunker ...
  4. Siberian 66 9 June 2020 16: 13 New
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    Only by ourselves. War tomorrow - the day after tomorrow is not expected, enough money to export from the country.
  5. Pvi1206 9 June 2020 16: 45 New
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    yes ... everything goes to this ...
  6. knn54 9 June 2020 17: 02 New
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    Report, study. The question is how much time and money will take the development of the project.
    And is it really impossible to order NEW hospital ships in the PRC, and not a modified second-hand.
    1. donavi49 9 June 2020 18: 09 New
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      Can. Daishan Dao - 2,5 years from cutting to delivery. Helicopter with a hangar. 300 beds. Constantly running, even running to Maduro.



      Well, they have a conversion program that was implemented on Zhuanghe. The assembled modules turned the container ship into a hospital with 120-200 beds, depending on the configuration of the modules. There is a platform for receiving helicopters and a gangway for receiving and launching ambulances on their own to another ship / shore.


      But if 8 billion rubles is the Makarsar super option wink . 2 years - the price is less than $ 50 million, it is possible in exchange for barter of spices for the Su-35.


      Very versatile ship. wink
      1. Malyuta 9 June 2020 19: 56 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        Very versatile ship. wink

        But you don’t know how things are with the Yenisei, about 8 years ago I happened to be on the bott, everything looked great inside.
        1. donavi49 9 June 2020 20: 17 New
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          Alive and marching only Irtysh.

          The rest are in varying degrees of readiness. The Yenisei did not begin to be repaired despite plans, it is only in the stationary version - floating hospital. True, due to the failure of the repair, there are also thematic new things.

          And in general, ships are 40-nickname. They were built on the now dead Polish shipyards, they have a lot of components from the Allies and Poland. Therefore, it is better to plan new vessels now, rather than wait until the old ones fall apart completely or swell comparative money into the modernization of the old ones.
  7. 7,62h54 9 June 2020 17: 15 New
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    Down and Out trouble started. According to the first one, they will buy roller skaters, and there you look and frigates will be needed.
    1. donavi49 9 June 2020 18: 12 New
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      Well, here it’s not so bad really. If they buy in China, then the ships and perestroika (equipment not made in China is in question, of course, they can finally cure any patient with Avent's ventilation and can be delayed) will be guaranteed to be received within the indicated time frames (+/- a couple of months) and estimates.

      If they order NE / Amber or, God forbid, the Eastern Shipyard, then this is a story for 6-8 years and 200 +% of the initial budget wink
      1. Vadim237 9 June 2020 20: 18 New
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        Their shipbuilding raises big questions about the quality of products.
        1. donavi49 9 June 2020 20: 48 New
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          Look how many 054A run around the world, and how many our frigates. Here rather questions are caused by domestic shipbuilding.
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            Yes, it’s completely sad with the Russian shipbuilding ... Even Vadimka237 did not find suitable agitation, but escaped with unfounded statements. Thanks for the competent detailed comments. I recently analyzed this topic, therefore I completely agree with you. hi
        2. PSih2097 9 June 2020 23: 18 New
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          Quote: Vadim237
          Their shipbuilding raises big questions about the quality of products.

          their shipbuilding is normal - both in quality and in terms of time, plus they can build not one at a time like ours, but with a series of 5 - 10 pieces in 10 years (as an example - 30 frigates 054A for 13 years, 6 years for 6 destroyers 055 launched + 1 put into operation, etc.), and not like we have two BDKs of 6 tons in 000 years from laying to commissioning and then the deadline is not final.
  8. exo
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    China can replace CMEA countries, the Soviet era. There they built BDK, KFOR and other types of ships. Like already existing hospital ships and training sailboats.
    In principle, there is nothing criminal in this.
  9. Lara Croft 9 June 2020 19: 05 New
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    The first, proposed by the head of the military department, Sergei Shoigu, consists in the acquisition in China of two ship-rollers (transportation of vehicles, etc.) and their conversion to hospital in Chinese shipyards.

    And why, then, the Russian Federation is building a super-shipyard in Primorye (it was already the first Afromax that it lowered from the slipways), but before they were bought from South Korea, so that now hospital ships can be made using the forces of China ...?
    And then the Russian Navy is the only one in the world that has hospital ships built according to a special project specifically for these purposes, unlike other countries in which they are built on the basis of different merchant ships ...
    In fact, there is only one vessel in operation - the Irtysh, which underwent repair and modernization, dother vessels awaiting repair.

    Well, what prevents the modernization of Svir and Yenisei from doing on its own?
    1. PSih2097 9 June 2020 23: 29 New
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      Quote: Lara Croft
      And then the Russian Navy is the only one in the world to have hospital courts built on a special project specifically for these purposes, unlike other countries in which they are built on the basis of different merchant ships ...

      China - Type 920 Daishan Dao
    2. carstorm 11 10 June 2020 00: 55 New
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      Yeah. in Poland built. and the shipyard in Primorye is, firstly, already under orders, while not yet fully completed. secondly, there is not even a ship project. there is nothing to build.
      1. Lara Croft 10 June 2020 13: 51 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        Yeah. in Poland built. and the shipyard in Primorye is, firstly, already under orders, while not yet fully completed. secondly, there is not even a ship project. there is nothing to build.

        I spoiled the whole mass, but think about the good .....
  10. Petrol cutter 9 June 2020 19: 14 New
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    ... "given that our shipbuilding clearly does not cope with its tasks, and placing an order at domestic shipyards will probably greatly delay its execution."
    So that this does not happen categorically and you need to build ships at home. Epoch, we’ll buy everything, I have already poked my face on the table more than once.
  11. APASUS 9 June 2020 19: 47 New
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    Still, the main factor is time. You can also buy a skater and refit at our shipyards
    1. Petrol cutter 9 June 2020 21: 06 New
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      What time is it? It seems to be not a fire ... The edge urgently suddenly needed a hospital?
      That saddens me personally, like shipbuilding.
      Everyone cries about certain deadlines, everyone complains endlessly. Everyone is complaining.
      But no one ever tries to delve into the reasons. No one has ever asked why so?! .. Let China have something there ...
      Well, let's. Today, China ... Half-brother ... Tomorrow, China is the enemy.
      What shall we do?!.
      Nobody wants to delve into for a moment that shipbuilding is a huge industry, it pulls a bunch of related industries. Engine building, cable building (after all, we need to transfer electric current), and we have kilometers of cables along the ship, painting in the end. After all, people are trying to paint orders without bead-blasting ... This leads to a huge cost overrun of paintwork and empty labor of painters. Since high-quality painting does not occur.
      I can write a whole sheet here on this subject. But is it worth it ...
      I mean, you need to order the construction of a house. She reveals a lot of unpleasant questions. Nevertheless, they must be addressed.
      And the solutions to these issues drag along the solution to the following issues. And this is - jobs, the salary of the population and a certain confidence in the future. Damn me.
      1. carstorm 11 10 June 2020 00: 56 New
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        this is called planning) it’s not a fire, but if you don’t think about it now, the moment will come when the old ones are gone and the new ones are gone.
        1. Petrol cutter 10 June 2020 20: 21 New
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          "this is called planning) is not a fire, but if you don’t think about it now, the moment will come when the old ones are gone and the new ones aren't there."
          Yes, how to say planning ... Strange planning, if the thesis goes, not to build houses (to provide their own with work on all fronts and directions), but to buy something from the PRC. But quickly ... We provide work / wages to our Chinese colleagues. And everything will be buzzing.
          I can not understand the urgency is suddenly unbearable. I don’t remember when, as a last resort, the floating hospital was involved (from the age of forty-five)? Ali in Syria okay? Ali Turk near Moscow? ...
      2. APASUS 10 June 2020 18: 42 New
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        Quote: Benzorez
        What time is it? It seems to be not a fire ... The edge urgently suddenly needed a hospital?

        And war is always at the wrong time!
        Quote: Benzorez
        But no one ever tries to delve into the reasons. No one has ever asked why so?! ..

        And what about the reasons? Everything is fine, we are begging the West to invest, and we kept our funds in American trainers. Who will invest in a country that does not invest in infrastructure ......... no one!
        The whole business is built on quick money, I bought and sold. And the construction of ships is a long investment. Such a business does not go, only the state can pull such investments, but it is interested in olympiads, rallies, summits and tournaments ....... ............... this is our economic policy now, understand!
        1. Petrol cutter 10 June 2020 19: 56 New
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          "And war is always at the wrong time!"
          This is clear. And I personally have nothing against this charitable cause.
          Just as long as the issue is advisory in nature ...
          I personally drown for the construction in the Russian Federation.
  12. Reserve buildbat 9 June 2020 20: 01 New
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    As an option, order one hospital from China, and make a couple more independently on a separate project.
    1. Petrol cutter 10 June 2020 20: 03 New
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      A series of ships is many times better, faster and cheaper.
      Head-yes. It will be built long enough.
      Since everything is done first and again. Serial ones will go many times faster and cheaper. Since the technology has already been developed and debugged. Everyone knows what to do, everyone knows the possible p ..... Problem places.
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    If from Bolshevism, then yes, it is necessary. Like the entire post-Soviet space.

    Well, why, we get along with him. That would be from the liberals angry clear the country, stuck request
  14. Mavrikiy 10 June 2020 04: 23 New
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    Theme.
    it became known that the US Navy will send two hospital ships "Mercy" and "Comfort" to help civilian hospitals. The first will go to Los Angeles, and the second to New York. Both ships can be safely called the most real floating hospitals, and at the highest level - all the same, it is no accident that the best is going to the American army. Inside each there are 12 fully equipped operating rooms, 1000 hospital beds, medical laboratories, and also pharmacies.
    Our
    Bed capacity: for patients - 100 beds, for vacationers - 200 beds, in the evacuation version - 450 beds.
    Will we catch up? fool
    The Yenisei was used during the Georgian-Abkhaz war of 1992, removing 7 refugees in a month. The Svir was used to provide medical support at sea for a special mission for the raising of the Kursk nuclear submarine in 2001.
    And that’s all! These are not replaceable ....
    The Yenisei is the same problem. The vessel stands for many years without traffic and is used as a clinic and hotel.
    This does not mean the impossibility of the intended operation, but the absence of the purpose as such. This is just another cut.request