Georgia thinks about resuming production of Su-25 attack aircraft

Georgia has all the necessary resources for the production and export supply of Su-25 attack aircraft. This statement was made by Minister of Defense Irakli Garibashvili.

Speaking on the TV channel "Palitranyus", the head of the Georgian military department said that on the basis of the Tbilisi aircraft factory it is possible to resume production of the Su-25 for the needs of its own army and for export deliveries. According to Garibashvili, many countries are showing interest in this attack aircraft.

Today we have absolutely all the resources, technical, intellectual or human, to repair, restore the Su-25 on our own, release, produce new and sell

- the minister said.

For our part, we note that this statement by the Minister of Defense of Georgia can be considered populist, since statements on Georgian-made Su-25 attack aircraft have been issued with a frequency of 1-2 per year for several years, but the production itself has not been resumed. In 2018, it was reported that Georgia intends to export to customers in Africa and Asia modernized Su-25 attack aircraft under the name J-31 Bora at $ 20-25 million apiece. It was clarified that there would be no Russian parts on the planes, and the engine would be American or European-made. However, so far no production has been established.

Recall that in the early 2000s, the Israeli company ELBIT Systems, based on the Tbilisi aircraft plant, modernized the Su-25 attack aircraft. This model was called "Scorpio." An attack aircraft can conduct combat operations day and night.

Meanwhile, in 2019, the Georgian Ministry of Defense announced a complete rejection of the assault aviation and replacing it drones. This decision was made against the background of the obsolescence of the fleet of Su-25 attack aircraft and Mi-24 helicopters. The second argument was "the saturation of the Russian military bases located in the territories of South Ossetia and Abkhazia with modern air defense systems."

Comments

[Terenin]

Garibashvili: ... it is possible to resume production of the Su-25 for needs own army

There was no need, a woman bought a pig ...
Obviously the vaccine from 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX in Georgia ends, again looking for a need

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Terenin

There was no need, a woman bought a pig ...

Not this way. Correct - Didn’t have a woman trouble so bought a pig.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Well, why so rude? .. They need an airplane for the whole ,, army ,,.

[novel66]

I’m embarrassed to ask, why? so that the air marshal was?

[svp67]

Quote: novel xnumx

I’m embarrassed to ask, why? so that the air marshal was?

Do you think that this is not the reason?
Only they will not have a marshal ... Workers at this enterprise will not be found ...

[novel66]

yes to hell with them, with workers .. and the marshal will be !!

[bayard]

Marshal unmanned aircraft ?!

[Maikcg]

And non-aircraft!

[Civil]

If only China pays, or the United States.

[Insurgent]

Georgia thinks about resuming production of Su-25 attack aircraft

Today we have absolutely all the resources, technical, intellectual or human, to repair, restore the Su-25 on our own, release, produce new and sell

Well, let's say, they can really afford to produce a Su-25 ...

But how the laws of the Russian Federation look at it, and (where you get it ), the so-called "International law"? Especially in terms of licensing?

[URAL72]

No, they can’t afford it. They only have an assembly plant, they won’t even make the chassis, it’s not so easy. You can’t deliver with F-16. Even if Russian components are replaced, then they don’t even have enough funds for testing and certification, as this will be a completely different machine. There is not even a test base. And the engineering and technical potential of Georgia is rather weak for such a thing.

[Nemo]

The patent for an industrial design is valid for 25 years both in the Russian Federation and in the EU. The aircraft was launched in 78, so everything is legal on this side. They cannot use the name Su-25, so they will call g-31 or otherwise.
Here another question arises: where did the money and specialists come from for the development of a practically new aircraft? They will have to change engines, all avionics, replace Soviet / Russian materials with Western ones, which will lead to a recalculation of the entire structure.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Nemo

The patent for an industrial design is valid for 25 years both in the Russian Federation and in the EU. The aircraft was launched in 78, so everything is legal on this side.

I would agree with such an interpretation of the laws if the release of the Su-25 in the Russian Federation was discontinued ...

[Nemo]

It makes no difference whether or not the issue is discontinued, the patent is valid 25 years from the date of issue. It doesn’t even work like that for 5 years with the possibility of extension for another 5, but no more than 25 years.

[Alex777]

And where will the Georgians take titanium for Su-25 armor?
If not with us, the price will be the same, but they will not take it from us.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Nemo

The patent for an industrial design is valid for 25 years both in the Russian Federation and in the EU.

I wonder why, then, ours cannot resume production of the Ruslan aircraft in Ulyanovsk, where it was produced, if there are no problems with the patent?
I think if there was a problem only with the engine, then we would have made or bought our own in the West for a long time, while there was such an opportunity.

[Nemo]

The name would not be another An-124, but something like Ul-124. New name - new documents / certificates / permits for airworthiness, not only in Russia, but also international ones.

[BLOND]

New Director at ...

After the collapse of the USSR, Tbilisi Aircraft Manufacturing was created on the basis of the 31st plant.

And so to him:

In 2006, the plant was going to carry out small-scale assembly of TAMjet ultra-light passenger aircraft

As of 2019, the plant retained the ability to perform REPAIR and MODERNIZATION of MiG-21 and Su-25 aircraft, as well as Mi-8, Mi-17 and Mi-24 helicopters

[Piramidon]

Quote: Insurgent

But how will the laws of the Russian Federation look at this, and (where can you get it), the so-called "International Law"? Especially in terms of licensing?

This plant has been producing the Su-25 for many years, which means it was right. And where could it go?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Piramidon

This plant has been producing the Su-25 for many years, which means it was right. And where could it go?

And where did the USSR go?

Moreover, as I know, the owner of the "trademark" and the exclusive right to production is the owner of the original technical documentation.
So, for example, it was with the NSV (T) "Cliff" machine gun, developed in Kovrov, and produced in the Kazakh SSR. And after the collapse of the Union, Russia lost the right to produce it.
I had to develop Kord ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Insurgent

And where did the USSR go?

What does this have to do with it? The Chinese, for example, produced our aircraft both in the USSR and in the Russian Federation. I do not think that with the collapse of the USSR, the entire procedure for obtaining licenses began to spin in a new way.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Piramidon

What does this have to do with it? The Chinese, for example, produced our aircraft both in the USSR and in the Russian Federation.

I tell you about "civilized Georgians", and you tell me about a "Chinese copier" under a legal license from the USSR.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Civil

If only China pays, or the United States.

Why is China here?
Among the sponsors of the militarization of "Georgia" there is anyone, but not the PRC ...

[Foxmara]

In addition, among them there is no word who wants to move someone else’s economy and competitors by investing their funds and technologies.

[DenZ]

Quote: Civil

If only China pays, or the USA

Nobody will pay it to them, they won’t grow a competitor in the arms market. As I understand it, Georgians are more interested in selling than manufacturing for themselves. They decided to warm their hands on the Soviet legacy.

[novel66]

he who seeks will always find ... truth is not always what he seeks ...

[Revolver]

Quote: Terenin

Obviously the vaccine from 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX in Georgia ends, again looking for a need

For the needs of the Georgian army, they most likely need to build needles, and then, as in 2008, they will relieve the need where they stood, even without taking off their pants.

[hydrox]

This process has a cyclical character throughout the entire liberda: it’s just a need to get through the wort, because there are not enough other channels to understand the strength of the opponent.
But there is another explanation: how in a criminal environment, from time to time, touch an rival partner for a causal place and track the reaction - if you get the trunk, then the opponent is in force and there is a need to extinguish the conflict, most often without massacre.
The case when a gang (the same USA) pushes a little baby from the gateway, knowingly not possessing the criteria of an opponent, but behaving disproportionately to his status. In this case, the lulla of the bastards is ALWAYS received, and the gang can decide to refuse the fight. All post-Soviet quasi-state-states possess such properties.
Reasons can be any, only the result is always the same - turned up - and free!

[sergo1914]

Did you drink all of Borjomi? Need sources of income to the treasury? Stopped buying a vine? What's happening?

[novel66]

vacancies !! vacancies !!

[Invoce]

Production of Su-25 in Georgia ??? Maybe! But it will be no longer the Su-25, but a completely different aircraft, with different weapons, engines, TTX, although the glider may look like the original. Many states tried to produce AKM both under license and simply by copying ... few people had a replica equal to the original ... and if equal, the cost of the replica was much higher

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Invoce

Production of Su-25 in Georgia ??? Maybe!

What? We have many factories plundered and lost technology, but in Georgia preserved the aircraft factory and technology? Are you serious?

[halpat]

Quote: Invoce

Production of Su-25 in Georgia ??? Maybe! But it will be no longer the Su-25, but a completely different aircraft, with different weapons, engines, TTX, although the glider may look like the original. Many states tried to produce AKM both under license and simply by copying ... few people had a replica equal to the original ... and if equal, the cost of the replica was much higher

Approximately how the Colchis tractor unit was.
:)
This and the "su-25" will work. No doubt.
Hands are not from that place grow.

[Cyril G ...]

Colchis was a legend among Soviet drivers, my father once said that Colchids, unlike other trucks, were never driven alone. They were always dragged in tow

[Alexga]

As it was said: "There is no worse animal than a lynx and a car from Kutaisi"

[novel66]

Yes, no hands ... Su-25 the whole country of the USSR did, the final assembly only in Georgia was .. where now that country ..

[The leader of the Redskins]

If you believe the monograph on the Su 25, then even in Soviet times, the plant could not achieve the unification of the components produced, which led to the fact that each aircraft had an individual "character".

[KCA]

We’re discussing the Wishlist of our politicians, but not just Wishlist, haloperidol to the patient, intravenously, for a couple of hours ... Great industrial power Georgia, where will aluminum be bought from Deripaska? And buy engines on Klimov? Nothing good in Georgia except chachi

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

KSA, about haloperidol, perfectly said!)

[KCA]

Well, how else? The most powerful means of relieving acute psychoses, especially visual and semantic hallucinations, although a single use can not do here

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

You need to be kinder .. Why would a person poke a needle? .. Guillatin-psychoses and hallucinations are better removed. And most importantly, without side effects. )

[KCA]

The guillotine can, small, cut the tongue, so as not to rubbish rubbish, but only to eat, well, or order somewhere GZM

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Of course it is possible. But this is not enough. He will begin to write, in a notebook ..) Only a guillotine, my friend!)

[pmkemcity]

Quote: KCA

and here it’s not just a wishlist

[KCA]

Well, yes, I agree, I vehemently plus, somewhere from the same topic, although Larisa was nevertheless far away, if only I wanted some Jane Fond

[Revolver]

Quote: KCA

haloperidol to the patient, intravenously, for a couple of hours ...

Or maybe inject sulfazine into 4 points?

[KCA]

Cruel, very cruel, he himself never received either this or that, but had heard about the effects

[KVU-NSVD]

there will be no airplanes, and the engine will be American or European production.

The new engine entails alteration of the airframe, rearrangement of units and other expensive work with a lot of tests, alterations, and again tests. The process requires long-term financing, which the Georgians will not be able to pull, and Western "partners" do not need it, it is more profitable for them to supply their products than to invest in someone else's production.

[BLOND]

normally:

[swnvaleria]

how will they produce it? in the USSR, the whole country worked for the production of su 25, a lot of allied people, in Georgia there was a screwdriver assembly, so to speak, and these statements are nothing more than populism amid a lack of work and income from tourists

[Puler]

rodents can do the most, it’s a mass dimensional copy of cardboard ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I’m afraid, in addition to cloves and wine, in its current state, Georgia is already capable of releasing nothing.

[Avior]

Will there be orders?
As the use of guided and homing ammunition in aviation grows, the scope of the use of armored attack aircraft is narrowing, although there is still a certain demand for it, but mainly those that were released earlier.
Under guided ammunition you need a rather expensive Avionics, sighting and search devices, this raises the price of the aircraft, and the demand for booking falls, in many cases the attack is made outside the air defense zone.
And the price he gets is considerable.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Avior

Under guided ammunition, a rather expensive Avionics is needed ...

Well, how are you, he is an official and knows everything - what Georgia is capable of producing ..., I’m embarrassed to ask: what is one of the newborns democracies retained the competencies of high-tech industries?
You can advise the bureaucrat to look at the Czech experience: in the one and a half million Elku-39, under the leadership of boeing, they stuffed bells and whistles and got an apparatus worth 15 llamas - actually unsellable ...

[tatarin1972]

There is a desire, they say there is an opportunity. This is important when desire coincides with opportunity. It is possible that something remained from the former potential of the Georgian SSR, but in the USSR, enterprises from different republics were involved in the production of the same Rooks, and the entire aviation industry.

[demo]

Georgia has all the necessary resources for the production and export supply of Su-25 attack aircraft. This statement was made by Minister of Defense Irakli Garibashvili.

Georgians.
Keep your wine production and men's choral singing.
Those. do what you can do.
You would still resume the production of "Kutaisi miracle".

[knn54]

-In Georgia, they thought ... In 2018, it was reported ...
"I dreamed of you for three years." Good song.
PS And the project manager’s name is not accidentally Mogulia?

[ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2]

Georgians with Ukrainians. Probably write pieces of paper from the same institution. Some have been rockets for 6 years already, they have been exported to Yuzhmash. Now Georgians will produce airplanes for export, well, the whole world is with us.

[comradChe]

The "proud Georgians" never knew how to do anything with their hands. This is a problem in their heads. But they sing well. So sing it, sing it ... and it will feel better ... maybe.

[Romanenko]

What and how they can build in Georgia have already passed under socialism, one Colchis was enough. A truck completely created on the ZIL-130 platform was more in repair than working. To get to Colchis was considered a big failure. So it’s better to preach about what they would like and see in a dream.
Georgia attack aircraft alone will not take off.

[Atlant-1164]

except good choral singing .. and a good kitchen menu, plus good wine .. nothing has ever been done in Georgia .. it's zilch into the air, Garibashvili’s words.

[Mordvin 3]

More Colchis again begin to release. There will be no end to customers.

[Atlant-1164]

"Colchis" will not be pulled .. too "high technology" production)

[ZaharoFF]

An attack aircraft can conduct combat operations day and night.

Can not be! This is just a revolution in aircraft and aviation! Clowns can’t calm down.
Let them even think about resuming the production of IL-10, and even better, IL-2. Tremble! Timid Georgians are running to you!

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Well, Pollitranews.

[mikh-korsakov]

What does it mean to think about production? From the article it follows that only the Minister of Defense was thinking. I wonder how he was thoughtful. I suppose that he sat in the toilet in the pose of a thinker and thought. And he came up with that it would be nice to produce and sell SU25 under
brand Je-31 Bora Negro in Africa. But the Negroes there have long walked not in loincloths, but some in tuxedos, and the minister’s tricks will certainly figure out and understand that the Minister wants to give them a product with a 60-year-old fate and even 25-30 million, but also in Africa all places are already occupied by our Chinese friends and their overseas opponents. So your vain words to the Garibashvili genocve

[pmkemcity]

Quote: KCA

some Jane Fond wanted

Now repatriated to Georgia! Just did not understand, either in defense of menopause, or in favor of climate advocates?

[Cruel beaver]

I would tell you, but without a mat, well, it doesn’t work out at all .... Admins will crush repressions. But I think, you guess ....

[Eug]

It will be only externally Su-25. The cost is too high, for a small series will have to include all the costs of creating a practically new aircraft. Regarding quality, a colleague who served on the Su-25 said that when they received Tbilisi-made cars in part, they were very upset that they were much better from Ulan-Ude. So then, and now, as for me, God forbid to take off altogether and not crumble ...

[rotmistr60]

that there will be no Russian parts on the planes, and the engine will be American or European-made

About Russian details it is politically clear - nothing Russian and "occupational", but will they make a glider from tangerine trees tied with a vine? Has the minister calculated how much the American (European) engines will cost, or is he hoping that they will be presented? And whose avionics? In a word, another la-la, poplar.

[Sky strike fighter]

Our general scrap Sovdepovsky, they already do not scare the barmalei.

Seriously, what? And then the militants then remained only in the territory of half of Idlib, and thanks to the Turks for covering their fifth point in time, otherwise Idlib would have been completely protected.

The Turks on the ass cheated nemoobhodimyh taxes, the best in the world.

It is interesting to whom and when? From December last year to March this year, they leaked half of Idlib Asad. Or are you talking about the mythical ANALOE that Turkish drones will say? This is propaganda of pure water.

Losses of Turkish UAVs in Libya from May 2019 to June 2020.
Statistics are based on an analysis of open sources.
For each episode, an approximate description of the application is given and what it was possible to find, as well as the percentage of the probability of losing the car on the specified date.

According to the study:



During the specified period, LNA Haftara announced 78 destroyed Turkish UAVs "Bayraktar TB-2" operating under the guise of PNS Libya.
99% is confirmed from these applications (photos or videos are available) - 19 (it should be noted that Lost Armor counted 2020 confirmed vehicles in mid-May 15).

The author further indicates with respect to the remaining 59 applications for destruction:

Very likely losses - 3 (90% probability)
Likely losses - 4 (75% probability)
Possible losses - 7 (probability 50%)
Unconfirmed claims - 7 (probability from 1 to 49%)
Fake claims - 36 (slightly less than 50% of the total number of applications for the destruction of UAVs)

Thus, in his opinion, the LNA could have shot down 33 Turkish UAVs for the indicated period (if we consider all applications that are not fake).
When discarding dubious and not fully confirmed cases, 22 to 26 UAVs are obtained (19 more are added to the confirmed 7, the destruction of which is likely to be more than 75%)

According to him, Turkey could send to Libya from 36 to 40 UAVs "Bayraktar TB-2" out of 110 in service (though it is not indicated here whether the author considered the loss of Turkish UAVs in February-March 2020 in Idlib).

(c) Levent Özgül

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/5929471.html

[akarfoxhound]

As I understand it in technology, you are zero in the absolute, eating knowledge from the media. On this education ended

[Cruel beaver]

Nu-nu .... Georgian attack aircraft? Antirresno ......
We stock up on popcorn .....

[Pvi1206]

Do they have a license (permission from Russia) for production? ...

[Herman 4223]

To dream is not harmful.

[akarfoxhound]

With the collapse of the union, all engineers left this plant, not forgetting to take all the documentation with them. The engineers were all Russian, strange huh? The rodents finished assembling a dozen practically assembled boards and that's it, the plant ended there. These boards later became the "Israeli" Scorpions. What are these Neanderthals with screwdrivers going to produce?

[Ros 56]

And whoever allows these rodents, Sukhoi will sue them, they’ll pay hell, Georgia will have to pay. Better let the mountain tractor make Colchis, anyway the hands are inserted at the wrong end.

[iouris]

Quote: Ros 56

Dry will sue them,

Neither Sukhoi nor Wet will sue, because they cannot win. By the way, the Su-25, which in the Russian Federation, were built by which plant?

[Ros 56]

There may be several factories, but one developer. And how else they can win the court, otherwise it will be a precedent and the West itself may run into it.

[iouris]

But how did they build and sell the Su-25 ??

[Ros 56]

Well, in the days of the USSR, it is clear how everything happened, and after the collapse they could sell, like the banderlogs, what they had left after the Union.

[iouris]

Quote: Ros 56

and after the collapse they could sell

And what, the Soviet Union restored?

[Ros 56]

Are you writing from Kashchenko?

[iouris]

...I think so! (Georgia)

[5-9]

Free Georgia can produce only migrant workers, dung and sour wine .... for airplanes and electricity with water, 24 hours a day, invaders are needed ...

[Viktor Sergeev]

Yeah, and in Somalia they are thinking of releasing Su27. The level of industrial development in Georgia and Somalia is the same.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Or maybe they want to produce wooden models? I'm afraid it won’t work either.

[Ryaruav]

and where they find specialists, there, mainly Slavs worked

[Reserve buildbat]

The only resource for production, regarding the Su-25, for the unfinished "horsemen" is soot to paint a mustache on the nose of the Su-25. And then you will have to order artists from abroad.

[aviator6768]

Wait, I forgot about the visor ... the longest of all the planes ...

[Reserve buildbat]

Did not forget. But this is an "airfield", not an airplane

[aviator6768]

A new anecdote - "production of aircraft in Georgia" ... Separated, forget about this "country" ... Without Russians, many nations are African tribes, no more ...

[Vdi73]

And who will supply them with accessories? In the meantime, let the grubs be cooked. To make airplanes, the garch is not enough, do not tell p .... she is already funny. And you also need factories and research institutes, etc. etc. No offense to the Georgians, but it’s like walking to the moon, you don’t have the opportunity to even collect five pieces of obsolete cars. Betrayed Russia, now content yourself with the fact that you are an object, not a subject.

[tarakanovaleksei]

What is there !!! Suppose that immediately su 57 and su 35 begin to produce resources, they probably have it, but they will exchange dvigals in Moldova for chacha.

[Anton Sokolov]

nude, nude. The dryers of the Georgian assembly enjoyed a bad reputation among the troops for the quality of assembly. They were even afraid to fly on them. Let them do it, you won’t even have to shoot down, they themselves fall under toasts with songs and a splash of wine))

[ZVS]

The caps can of course think what they want. But where will they get the engines? And adapting another engine for the Su-25 will be an insoluble task for them. Suffice it to recall their "buckets" called "Colchis".

[28guliver]

Samoilovich's book "Near Sukhoi" interestingly describes the situation with the establishment of production of the Su-25 in Tbilisi. When the design bureau began to accuse the plant of non-compliance with the technology when assembling the attack aircraft, Shevardnadze raised a whole furor, they say, this is an "ideological undermining" against the Georgian proletariat. The first planes were assembled with such violations that they spontaneously turned over in flight and the pilots were afraid to fly (while the technicians did not "move the car")
Samoilovich was amazed by the small number of personnel in the shops, and this was in the midst of the launch of a new aircraft into series. In response, it was sounded that Georgians are massively "on vacation" to harvest grapes in their personal vineyards, and if they are not released, then they will almost all quit ...