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Is the Crimean air defense umbrella capable of leveling the potential of B-1B missile carriers? Operation "with an eye" on the Black Sea Fleet

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Despite the fact that a pair of strategic bomber bombers B-1B “Lancer”, flying May 29, 2020 along the western and southwestern air lines of Russia (including the western near approaches to the Republic of Crimea) and practicing the application (“digital launches” virtual models) of low-visibility tactical long-range cruise missiles AGM-158B JASSM-ER and their anti-ship version AGM-158C LRASM, was taken by Russian Su-27P fighter-interceptors and Su-30CM multi-functional fighters literally a few minutes after reaching neutral air the space above the Black Sea from the “non-occupied” airspace, an impressive number of observers-patrons of domestic military-analytical publications questioned the ability of the S-300PM2 / S-400 VKS deployed in the vicinity of Sevastopol and the S-300B4 and “S-2B3 and“ anti-aircraft missile batteries Buk-M1 / XNUMX "Russian air defense reflect a massive strike B-XNUMXB with the opinion of the above subtle means of air attack.


As the most compelling argument in favor of this opinion, the knowledgeable audience of Runet in general and Military Review in particular cited the ability of strategic missile carriers B-1B "Lancer" to launch long-range, inconspicuous cruise missiles JASSM-ER and their anti-ship analogs LRASM from ultra-low heights, overcoming Crimean anti-air / anti-missile zones of restriction and prohibition of access and the A2 / AD maneuver by hiding behind the “screen” the radio horizon from the backlight radars and guidance of the 30N6E2 / 92N6E and 9C32M families included in the S-300PM2 / S-400 and S-300V4 air defense radar architecture, respectively .

What will the VKS anti-aircraft missile forces and Russian military air defense contrast with the American B-1B missile carriers in the area of ​​the Crimean zone A2 / AD?


Indeed, at first glance, this opinion is fully true, because the range of the radio horizon for low-altitude targets (20-50 m) for 39N40E6 / 30N6E backlight radars located on 2-meter universal towers 92V6MD is only 38-50 km (excluding deployment to the towering plain terrain of the southwestern regions of the Republic of Crimea) and 95-107 km (taking into account the placement of antenna posts with the above radars on the gentle cuests of the outer western ridge of the Crimean Mountains, with a height of about 350 m). 9C32M guidance radars (not structurally adapted to be placed on 40V6M towers) and continuous-wave radars located on 15-meter lifting masts of 9A83M launchers, which are part of the S-300B4 advanced military anti-aircraft missile systems, will have a slightly lower indicator of the radio horizon.

Meanwhile, starting from the tactical and technical features of the AGM-158B / C missiles, as well as from the principles of functioning of guidance systems used in the latest modifications of the S-400 Triumph long-range anti-aircraft missile systems, as well as the S-300B4 military anti-aircraft missile systems and Buk-M3, it is not difficult to conclude that the above point of view of the audience is hardly true.

Firstly, with a range of 1200 and 800-900 km, respectively, subtle tactical JASSM-ER missiles and anti-ship long-range anti-ship missiles LRASM with practically identical mass and size parameters can be launched by B-1B strategic bomber bombers over the surface component of the Black Sea fleet in the littoral zone of Crimea and the coastal infrastructure of the Black Sea Fleet from the airspace of such countries of the North Atlantic Alliance as Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Poland. At the same time, having reached the launch limits of the above missiles, the carriers (B-1B missile carriers) will still remain outside the defeat zone of even the latest S-400 Triumph modifications, whose ammunition has 48N6DM missile interceptors (intercept range 250 km), and advanced military air defense systems S-400V4, equipped with ultra-long-range anti-aircraft missiles 9M82MV (range of about 350 km). Therefore, launches can be carried out not only from the very small, but also from great heights, without entering our A2 / AD air defense zones. And this means that there can be no talk of any "early interception of carriers by ground air defense systems."

Secondly, the ammunition of the updated modifications of the S-400, S-350 Vityaz air defense systems, as well as the S-300V4 and Buk-M3 military anti-aircraft missile systems and systems are represented by promising 9M96E / E2 / DM, 9M82MV and 9M317MA anti-aircraft missiles equipped with active radar homing heads of the "Slate" family, developed within the walls of the Moscow Research Institute "Agat". Built on the basis of slot-waveguide antenna arrays with full-fledged transmitting and receiving paths, as well as having terminals for an asynchronous two-way data line, these centimeter homing heads do not need continuous illumination from the backlight and guidance radars 92N6E of S-400, 50H6A complexes of Vityaz complexes ”, As well as continuous radiation / illumination radars of the S-300V4 systems and 9C36 illumination radars of the Buk-M3 complexes.

Consequently, the above anti-aircraft missile systems and their anti-missiles are capable of intercepting the approaching JASSM-ER and LRASM tactical missiles outside the radio horizon for target designation from third-party airborne radar reconnaissance equipment (including Aircraft A-50U / A-100 DRLOiU and Bars airborne radars -R / Irbis-E ”and Н036“ Squirrel ”of multi-functional fighters of transitional and 5th generation Su-30SM / 1, Su-35S and Su-57). At this point, all myths of the audience of the Russian military-political portals about the inability of the latest versions of the S-300V / 400 and Buk air defense systems to intercept the highly accurate weapon the enemy beyond the horizon due to the curvature of the earth's surface.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 June 2020 05: 33 New
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    It is necessary to make political decisions, and not pick your nose! angry To warn, clearly and clearly. Venezuela, a pair of bombers with nuclear missiles.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 10 June 2020 07: 05 New
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      there were times when they did not warn, but really threatened .... in the eighties, at least 2 plabs were constantly on duty at least XNUMX plabs off the western and eastern coasts of the states ... and what ??? ...
      in essence of the article ... morally ready to go into the skulls, but still ...
      taking into account the balance of forces and means between us and the NATO countries, you understand that with a massive missile strike, all of our air defense / electronic warfare will not live together for a long time our small IA ...
      on the first wave there may be enough ammunition, but then ... reloading is not fast ...
      one hope that they, with an eye on our strategic nuclear forces, will not be decided, and our leadership will not tremble at the moment of truth ...
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 10 June 2020 08: 25 New
        +8
        Quote: kepmor
        ... on the first wave there may be enough ammunition, but then ...

        But then from them there will be nothing left. There will be no one to bring cartridges and nowhere.

        Quote: kepmor
        ... and our leadership will not tremble at the moment of truth ...

        Will not flinch. Putin has repeatedly proved this. And in the war with Georgia, and for the same attempted coup in the 12th.
        1. Revival
          Revival 10 June 2020 18: 28 New
          +2
          In 12 ohms, a particularly strong argument, of course, yeah ..
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 10 June 2020 09: 47 New
        +9
        Quote: kepmor
        taking into account the balance of forces and means between us and the NATO countries, you understand that with a massive missile strike, all of our air defense / electronic warfare will not live together for a long time our small IA ...

        Let us recall the massive attacks on Syria and Yugoslavia: these are always significant concentrations of carriers (Emsintsy, Aianossi, rescued large groups of aircraft, etc.).

        “Suddenly” they will not appear, which means that Russia will be ready to strike at them.

        They can start up (and they’re not sure what they’ll give), but there’s no one to produce the second one.

        And Brussels will already disappear by this time.

        And Crimea is only a small part of Russia and it will have to be held accountable to all of Russia.

        And she has a lot of things ... Ten NATAM enough ....
      3. iouris
        iouris 10 June 2020 12: 19 New
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        Quote: kepmor
        and our leadership will not tremble at the moment of truth ...

        ... and reaches the button, and the button will work, etc ....
      4. Vladimir Mitin_2
        Vladimir Mitin_2 12 June 2020 20: 13 New
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        the hand didn’t flinch to increase the retirement age and illegally liquidate the constitution. By the way, there are a lot of opportunities in Syria to show the advantages of the C300, C 400. But silence
    2. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 10 June 2020 08: 42 New
      -4
      Article full bullshit. Where is ".... at the Decision Center ..."? You can not only physically ... but diplomatically .... did not learn how to raise the mass media - rake it in full.
    3. iouris
      iouris 10 June 2020 12: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      It is necessary to make political decisions, and not pick your nose!

      Offer "political decisions", and we will take them. Who will perform?
  2. PSih2097
    PSih2097 10 June 2020 05: 38 New
    +4
    Indeed, at first glance, this opinion is fully true, because the range of the radio horizon for low-altitude targets (20-50 m) for 39N40E6 / 30N6E backlight radars located on 2-meter universal towers 92V6MD is only 38-50 km (excluding deployment to the towering plain terrain of the southwestern regions of the Republic of Crimea) and 95-107 km (taking into account the placement of antenna posts with the above radars on the gentle cuests of the outer western ridge of the Crimean Mountains, with a height of about 350 m). 9C32M guidance radars (not structurally adapted to be placed on 40V6M towers) and continuous-wave radars located on 15-meter lifting masts of 9A83M launchers, which are part of the S-300B4 advanced military anti-aircraft missile systems, will have a slightly lower indicator of the radio horizon.

    In addition to the S-300/400 air defense radar, there is also the Sky-M and Sky-IED radar with a decent detection range.
  3. svp67
    svp67 10 June 2020 05: 41 New
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    The appearance of these bombers over the territory of Ukraine is, of course, a very alarming sign for us. From the territory of Ukraine they are capable of striking not only in Crimea and the grouping of troops and navy there, but also in other very important objects for us on the European territory of Russia. Therefore, the news about the new order of the S-350 and S-400 is becoming quite understandable.
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 10 June 2020 06: 23 New
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    I haven’t read a set of numbers from Damantsev for a long time ... It only seems to me that (God forbid) in the event of a conflict on the Crimean peninsula, the Air Force wouldn’t arrange a parade of a pair of bombers, but a full operation. Using aircraft AWACS, AWACS, shock drones and so on. And in this series, wherever the "Lancers" flicker with their missiles and bombs ....
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 10 June 2020 07: 00 New
      +3
      In that region there is no one who does not know that if he takes a chance, this will be the last time ...
      Because they don’t fly, it’s forbidden to fly.
      The “boss” is because of the okean, who should be put on his “partners ... after all, he has already been warned that he will not stay behind his okean.
      Everything rests on ... on fear, in general.
    2. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 10 June 2020 08: 30 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      For a long time I did not read a set of numbers from Damantsev

      This is not even a set of numbers, but a smearing of an entire article of the phrase - "strategists can take a shot from very far, but we have the opportunity for this to target third-party target designation and missiles from GOS." I remembered how I wrote an essay in school on a topic, such as what I can say about a ray of light in the dark realm. In addition to the fact that Katerina is a normal girl, and Kabanikha is a voluntary-minded, bitchy freak, I had nothing to say, but I had to write four notebook pages, at least crack.
      1. really
        really 10 June 2020 10: 11 New
        +3
        The most correct comment !!
        1. KVIRTU
          KVIRTU 22 June 2020 16: 58 New
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          Yeah. If the air defense missile system receives target designation for those missiles and they fly approximately in the direction of the air defense system, why should they risk using the missile defense system with a possible miss over the horizon, and not wait a couple of minutes before entering the zone of confident destruction of the air defense system. We won’t be in a hurry :) And there they will raise the fighters.
          The author apparently does not know, Ai-Petri is 1100 m above the World Cup level, there is RTB RTV, so since the 50s. Provides with information of ZRV.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 June 2020 06: 29 New
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    an impressive number of observers-patrons of domestic military-analytical publications questioned their ability ...
    Still, it’s probably not an impressive, but long-established, definite “community” of those who have the “American best,” Russian weapons -
    exclusively old Soviet developments, etc. This is clearly visible on the VO site. Nevertheless, it is necessary to focus not on such "experts", but exclusively on serious military observers and specialists in this field. But the appearance of American strategists from Ukraine is really another warning (no longer a bell) that this country is ready to provide and provides any opportunities for our potential adversary to strike at Russia. Today there was information that Romania in its military doctrine indicated our country as an enemy.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 10 June 2020 07: 01 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      Still, it’s probably not an impressive, but long-established, definite “community” of those who have the “American best,”

      They are the most active, like any other ... the same noisy-active. So then, compared to all the rest of them .... pf-e.
      1. sleeve
        sleeve 10 June 2020 08: 26 New
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        Well, duck the rest in their free time they defend their homeland here. As far as possible. Therefore, they are inactive ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 10 June 2020 08: 39 New
          +1
          There are all kinds of things. This is already so now.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 10 June 2020 06: 54 New
    +6
    Is capable

    Oh, there are expert opinions, with and without ..... Ilon started their Mask boat, but did not return it ??? truncated khan of the Russian cosmonautics ??? a pair, another bombers flew, again the khan of something we have there ??? Turks made drones and drove "camel rams" through the deserts. again the khan of our air defense system, whose calculations are the same, which are driven through the deserts ??? what else they’ll come up with ... yeah, I’ve done some robotic wedges, then there ... oh no, I DRAWED, because he won’t be able to DO them ... again they have a “victory” and we have ??? and we have someone to create, there is someone to DO and there is WHERE to DO!
    Yes, bombers, invisible missiles .... if that, it will already be ... not games for children, EVERYTHING and EVERYONE will burn, explode and fall !!! Responsible guys on both sides KNOW about this, therefore they don’t cross the red lines, I WANT TO LIVE EVERYTHING!
    1. sleeve
      sleeve 10 June 2020 08: 47 New
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      Voooot. Correctly. Bold ones are not safe yet.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 June 2020 09: 32 New
        +1
        Of course I want to live! But I want to live well even more! And since the main money for their lives is torn off by the layman. to that layman, periodically, it is necessary to throw a cartoon over Russian, Iranian. Chinese, what other threat, otherwise the average man for no reason will not want to part with denyushka !!!
        EVERYTHING AS USUAL!
        1. sleeve
          sleeve 10 June 2020 11: 19 New
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          That is yes. They will never calm down. Moreover, they won the same. In the 90s. In general, now it's a shame.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 10 June 2020 11: 40 New
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            Quote: sleeve
            Moreover, they won the same. In the 90s.

            When, albeit a large, but clumsy, comes the compact, greyhound, even more vigorous !!! and begins to put a fair amount of pressure on the “winner” ... somehow it doesn’t look like victory.
            Here we look and see what they LOSED in essence!
  7. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 10 June 2020 08: 24 New
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    Oh you, Damntsev and not everything was lost! Progress!))
  8. Kolka Semenov
    Kolka Semenov 10 June 2020 09: 54 New
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    I noticed that the idea prevails among Damantsev that it is necessary to fight not with the carrier but with the missiles launched by him.
    This is a dead end - in any case, all missiles cannot be intercepted, and the only way to counter B1B is with ZGRLS and intercepting the Su-35 using the R-37 long before launching the missiles from the carrier.
    Everything else is just catching fleas with unavoidable consequences: all the same, you can’t put air defense under every strategically important object, and if this crazy idea is realized, then such air defense can be overwhelmed with cruise missiles and destroyed anyway. This I have not yet touched on the absurdity of intercepting comparatively cheap missile launchers with high-cost missiles with ARLGSN.
    Only Su-35 (in the future, Su-57) can cope with such a threat. And there are 90 of them all over the country ...
    1. really
      really 10 June 2020 10: 14 New
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      The most important thing is that adult boys play the war from two sides, and there are people who earn on the description of how they play.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 10 June 2020 13: 17 New
      +1
      Struggling with carriers? It would be good if it were not so difficult for many reasons.

      This I have not yet touched on the absurdity of intercepting comparatively cheap missile launchers with high-cost missiles with ARLGSN.


      Doubtless nonsense, however, according to rumors, the military marimans went further and the fleet was on the verge of adopting the MD SAM with the ARGSN. I'm about 9M100 if cho.
      1. Kolka Semenov
        Kolka Semenov 10 June 2020 15: 10 New
        +1
        Well, why is it difficult? If any country allows its airspace to be used for nuclear weapons, then all the worse for it. It's just a matter of the number of fighters and missiles ed. 180 / R-37 / M.

        Well, the fleet has a poor choice, and there it is possible to use ARLGSN justified, it is better so than they will try to "dig up the stewardess" - to build aircraft carriers.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 10 June 2020 16: 13 New
          +1
          In terms of aircraft carriers I agree. As regards the air defense systems, the MDs could have found a more adequate solution, as well as a result of the expensive missile defense. On the PSU we will save and we will rarely shoot.

          It's just a matter of the number of fighters and missiles ed. 180 / R-37 / M.


          If you had not yet engaged in nonsense like Poseidon, everything could have been more successful. After all, combat-ready aviation is a vital necessity for us.
          1. Kolka Semenov
            Kolka Semenov 10 June 2020 16: 29 New
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            Quote: Cyril G ...
            In terms of aircraft carriers I agree. As regards the air defense systems, the MDs could have found a more adequate solution, as well as a result of the expensive missile defense. On the PSU we will save and we will rarely shoot.


            Yes, it seems. I probably will not be able to object adequately, and it is not necessary.
            I wonder if it is possible to rely on Broadsword and similar systems in melee defense. Nevertheless, the probable enemy, for the most part, uses subsonic missiles and relies on the overflow of an air defense ship. Maybe this solution ...

            If you had not yet engaged in nonsense like Poseidon, everything could have been more successful. After all, combat-ready aviation is a vital necessity for us.


            And there is nothing to argue with. 436 fighters on the database, and half of them are outdated ... Against this background, hundreds of billions go to stillborn projects that can’t retaliate, I don’t have censorship words for all this.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 10 June 2020 17: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: Semenov Kolka
              I don’t have censorship words for all this.


              Similarly.

              I wonder if it is possible to rely on Broadsword and similar systems in melee defense.


              It all depends on the adequacy of the radar - the accuracy of target tracking above all. According to the documents of AK-630, under the conditions of the thermal regime and ammunition, it will be enough to repel 3-4 attacks. Actually, the GARPUN AK-630 / MP-123 anti-ship missiles could have fallen with a probability of 0.4-0.5.

              436 fighters on the database and half of them are outdated ...


              Well, if all the same fighters and MFIs without bombers and attack aircraft come out
              Air Force:
              - newly built; 90 Su-35, 111-113 Su-30SM (including naval ones), 12Su-27cm3, 20 Su-30, 53 newly built MiG-29cmt Algerian and new order, including 8-9 UB.
              Total - 285 boards.
              - modernized: 120 MiG-31, approximately 65-70 modernized Su-27cm / cm3.
              Total - 180-200 boards.
              - non-modernized: 30 MiG-29, about 50 Su-27S / P / UB.
              Total - about 70-80 boards
              Navy:
              - 12-15 Su-33, 22 MiG-29K / KUB.
              Total - 34-36 boards.
              Approximately goes in the area of ​​combatant 600 boards ...
              1. Kolka Semenov
                Kolka Semenov 10 June 2020 18: 23 New
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                It all depends on the adequacy of the radar - the accuracy of target tracking above all. According to the documents of AK-630, under the conditions of the thermal regime and ammunition, it will be enough to repel 3-4 attacks. Actually, the GARPUN AK-630 / MP-123 anti-ship missiles could have fallen with a probability of 0.4-0.5.


                And the Broadsword? Still, in theory, a newer complex and the LMS should be better ...

                Well, if all the same fighters and MFIs without bombers and attack aircraft come out
                Air Force:
                - newly built; 90 Su-35, 111-113 Su-30SM (including naval ones), 12Su-27cm3, 20 Su-30, 53 newly built MiG-29cmt Algerian and new order, including 8-9 UB.
                Total - 285 boards.


                Mig-29SMT seem to be in reserve, it is not clear why. Maybe the pilots are not enough trained.

                - modernized: 120 MiG-31, approximately 65-70 modernized Su-27cm / cm3.
                Total - 180-200 boards.


                The Su-27SM seems to be even more worn out than the Su-27P, as they were mercilessly driven to zero and their resource was eaten up. Simple Su-27s have already been removed from the database as they are all non-living. More or less there is a "P" and "UB."
                On the MiG-31BM it is difficult to say how much they can stretch. Typically, a kapitalka for a fighter gives a couple of thousand hours of operation, and this is from 5 to 8-10 years depending on the intensity, given the fact that the Mig-31B and BS began to be distilled into BM from 2011, the very first modernized ones have a capital repair. The downside of this side is that there is no production of D-30F engines, and I don’t know how much current stock is enough. In theory, the Mig-31 case is eternal and only needs to change equipment (for example, radar for AFAR and engines ed. 30), but in the light of all these Poseidons and petrels they simply won’t give dough for that.
                - non-modernized: 30 MiG-29, about 50 Su-27S / P / UB.

                Mig-29S and SM were distributed to most Serbs, or Syrians, or LNA, and their combat value is quite low - most of them were released in the 88-90s and, taking into account how they were stored and used, they were all the same would be written off soon.
                Navy: - 12-15 Su-33, 22 MiG-29K / KUB.
                Total - 34-36 boards.
                Approximately goes in the area of ​​combatant 600 boards ...


                Su-33 will be extended to a maximum of 2030 and if they are capitalized.
                Su-27SM will not last until 2026 (most likely even earlier written off). Su-27P a little longer, but a maximum of a couple of years. Only the Su-27SM3 remains, their 24 pieces.
                MiG-31BM and BSM will need to be capitalized in the second round, and some of them will not survive this.
                it turns out that my figure is more accurate, alas.

                Half of the fleet is either on the verge of decommissioning, either outdated, or for some reason does not stand on the database (like the Mig-29SMT).
                In reality, 90 Su-35 and approximately 130 Su-30SM and M have prospects (minus the beaten ones).
                The plans were sort of like buying 50 Su-35s and 36 Su-30s. Even if you count 78 Su-57s and about 30 MiG-35s, then a maximum of about 2028 more fighters will arrive in the Air Force by 188. The minus will go under 200 boards.

                Not much...
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 11 June 2020 14: 58 New
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                  Mig-29SMT seem to be in reserve, it is not clear why. Maybe the pilots are not enough trained.

                  Most likely the problem is in the pilots. But why the SMT was not sent to Eribuni I do not understand. However, according to rumors, a number of these sides have already been transferred to Astrakhan.
                  Mig-29S and SM were distributed to most Serbs, or Syrians, or LNA, and their combat value is quite low - most of them were released in the 88-90s and, taking into account how they were stored and used, they were all the same would be written off soon.

                  we have 18 old MiGs in Eribuni, + some more old cars in UAPs + Swifts.
                  Su-27SM will not last until 2026 (most likely even earlier written off). Su-27P a little longer, but a maximum of a couple of years.

                  Perhaps so, 5-7 years and mostly write off. We have a really newly built 12 Su-27SM3

                  In reality, 90 Su-35 and approximately 130 Su-30SM and M have prospects (minus the beaten ones).
                  The plans were sort of like buying 50 Su-35s and 36 Su-30s.

                  The plans were sort of like buying 50 Su-35s and 36 Su-30s.


                  If I remember the contracts correctly - 36 Su-30cm / d, 48 Su-35, 76 Su-57, 96 Su-34 / 34M. 6 MiG-35. + Undelivered 6 naval Su-30cm. Total - about 270 tactical aircraft.
                  I would like more, at least 1500 tactical aircraft in the ranks should be

                  And the Broadsword? Still, in theory, a newer complex and the LMS should be better ...

                  I don’t really know about the Broadsword, but I think that when launching the Harpoon ship with a small sweep, the Broadsword can be used to fire a couple of targets.
                  1. Kolka Semenov
                    Kolka Semenov 11 June 2020 16: 42 New
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                    Quote: Cyril G ...

                    Most likely the problem is in the pilots. But why the SMT was not sent to Eribuni I do not understand. However, according to rumors, a number of these sides have already been transferred to Astrakhan.

                    we have 18 old MiGs in Eribuni, + some more old cars in UAPs + Swifts.

                    Perhaps the fact is that the Air Force kicks off the 29th series with arms and legs. I don’t know why they could dislike him, but there is no such attitude towards Mig-31. Either the matter is in combat capabilities, or there are problems with the service, but for some reason the attitude is traced. In Astrakhan, Migi depict the aggressors of EMNIP.


                    Perhaps so, 5-7 years and mostly write off. We have a really newly built 12 Su-27SM3

                    In 5-7 years, the decommissioning process will end, since they are decommissioning the Su-27 now. As I understand it, they will not upgrade them - too much needs to be redone, it comes out too expensive and the remaining airframe resource is too small, it is easier to buy a new Su-35. Why do I buy Su-35 per hour on a teaspoon, I do not understand. Yes, after 2025 it makes no sense to buy it, since there the Su-57 should go into a more or less large series, but by 2025 they could buy a hundred instead of the 48-50 35th.


                    If I remember the contracts correctly - 36 Su-30cm / d, 48 Su-35, 76 Su-57, 96 Su-34 / 34M. 6 MiG-35. + Undelivered 6 naval Su-30cm. Total - about 270 tactical aircraft.
                    I would like more, at least 1500 tactical aircraft in the ranks should be


                    Modernization of the Su-30SM to the capabilities of the Su-35 is one of the few reasonable and necessary ideas that came to the head of the Moscow Region. If at least a hundred Su-30SM are brought to SMD / SM1, then this is already something.
                    Mig-35 seems to have declared 30 pieces, including 6 UB contract for which was concluded a couple of years ago. As I wrote above, for some reason the military gets rid of the 29th series at any convenient opportunity. Whether this concerns the Mig-35 is unclear, but kmk, without AFAR it is not needed and it will also gather dust in reserve like the SMT.
                    That's about the need for the Su-34 I feel skepticism - after all, this is an IS in the Soviet sense of the term and it can only resist a very bad life to resist enemy fighters. It is clear that you don’t really have to choose, and NAPO needs to be supported, maybe it will reach a large order for Su-57 and KNAAPO capacities will not be enough to complete the entire order. But here is something I doubt ...
                    From the concept of information security it is necessary to go to greater multifunctionality and less different types of sides. In kraynyak you can do with hanging containers on the IFI, shock UAVs and long-range artillery. But this is IMHO.

                    If we add up all the potential contracts, we get about 594 fighters by 2028 and about 200 IS - Su-34 (M), maybe some more part of the Su-24M2 will be alive, but it is. Means, there will be approximately 800 boards including information security.
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 11 June 2020 18: 43 New
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                      Perhaps the fact is that the Air Force kicks off the 29th series with arms and legs.

                      Something is wrong here. Well, at least such an obvious decision how to replace the old MiGs in Eribuni with SMT has not been implemented
                      From the concept of information security it is necessary to go to greater multifunctionality and less different types of sides.

                      With this I just agree.
                      Here about the need for the Su-34 I feel skepticism - after all, this is an IS in the Soviet sense of the term and withstand the enemy

                      In his first appearance, he was destined for a marine multifunctional aircraft. But since adequacy and our admirals never coincide in space and time, THIS IT HAPPENED. Although for long flights over the sea, the Su-34 is quite suitable for itself than anything.
                      Modernization of the Su-30SM to the capabilities of the Su-35 is one of the few reasonable and necessary ideas that came to the head of the Moscow Region. If at least a hundred Su-30SM are brought to SMD / SM1, then this is already something.

                      Here is the question. In my opinion, it should be somewhat wrong. Although, of course, it is already necessary to upgrade the Su-30SM ..
                      And it is necessary to put a double Su-35UB in a series on Irkut. Then it would be ideal to aim NAPO on the Su-34M series for the fleet. The need, in my opinion, is 12 squadrons (2 Kamchatka, 2 Vladik, 3 North, 2 Black Sea Fleet and 3 central subordination as a reserve for the Civil Command), and Komsomolsk - Su-57.
                      1. Kolka Semenov
                        Kolka Semenov 11 June 2020 19: 32 New
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                        Quote: Cyril G ...

                        In his first appearance, he was destined for a marine multifunctional aircraft. But since adequacy and our admirals never coincide in space and time, THIS IT HAPPENED. Although for long flights over the sea, the Su-34 is quite suitable for itself than anything.

                        There is also a titanium “bathtub” in the form of a cockpit - an airplane carries an extra tonne and nothing can be done about it. Excess weight - less traction and the inability to butt with fighters, plus a radar imprisoned on the ground.

                        Here is the question. In my opinion, it should be somewhat wrong. Although, of course, it is already necessary to upgrade the Su-30SM ..
                        And it is necessary to put a double Su-35UB in a series on Irkut. Then it would be ideal to aim NAPO on the Su-34M series for the fleet. The need, in my opinion, is 12 squadrons (2 Kamchatka, 2 Vladik, 3 North, 2 Black Sea Fleet and 3 central subordination as a reserve for the Civil Command), and Komsomolsk - Su-57.

                        IMHO, Irkutsk already has enough government orders. Even with much larger orders for Drying, almost everything will go to KnAAPO and NAPO can take on the issue of export Su-57 or Su-35 for export + for itself (if there is such a need). Irkut flourished through supplies to India and later the Su-30SM for the Moscow Region. IMHO, so many sites for the production of aircraft can not afford, and many double Su-35s are not needed and KnAAPO will pull out this order itself, especially since there is a capital shortage of orders and a lot of free capacity. And Irkut ... Let them release the MS-21.

                        In general, the trend in the Air Force is bleak, the Moscow Region and some higher up aimed to develop everything in a row and nothing concrete, but the army will not get anything at all.
                      2. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 11 June 2020 19: 37 New
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                        Yes, too many aircraft plants come out. And I don’t like the location of the Far Eastern factories. Too close to the Komsomolsk Sea.
                        You cannot develop everything in a row. Passion for Marinism, as experience in the history of Russia shows, is simply dangerous for the state.
                        Priorities must be highlighted. That should be the Air Force. No options
                      3. Kolka Semenov
                        Kolka Semenov 12 June 2020 18: 51 New
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                        I’m afraid that the fascination with marinism is the same as the deer-piade and the mundial - a show. Now sanctions have covered the shop of a fake holiday, so they come off for what is enough money. I would be glad if I’m wrong, but something doesn’t seem to be right ...
                      4. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 12 June 2020 19: 29 New
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                        Compared to zero, however, success is unequivocal. But if you think about it, there are too many questions. Including the part of the Air Force. Although the vector, unlike VeMeF, is generally correct, however, the issues are also higher than the roof. So, in my opinion, when upgrading the Su-27S / P back to the SM model, it was necessary to unambiguously change the antenna in the N-001 station to PFAR Pero, which was actually proposed. Having driven the existing Su-27S / P through modern radar station by replacing the antenna with PFAR, the combat effectiveness of existing fighters would have significantly increased.
                      5. Kolka Semenov
                        Kolka Semenov 12 June 2020 21: 10 New
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                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        Compared to zero, however, success is unequivocal. But if you think about it, there are too many questions. Including the part of the Air Force. Although the vector, unlike VeMeF, is generally correct, however, the issues are also higher than the roof.

                        I have a strong suspicion that all the successes of the Air Force are based on one office - Sukhoi Design Bureau.
                        “A good atelier gives rise to taste at the customer” (c) Pavel Osipovich.

                        Please note that the state of this or that kind of troops or military thought depends entirely on the state of the crafts on this subject. The fleet is wretched, not least because of the wretched crafts that are used to thinking in the category of "where will they go." So it turns out in the Navy the most selected feces in the form of Poseidons, the 20386th, the squalid UDC and the modernization of 1234 which it’s time to bury as that stewardess. They have a normal, and even an excellent ship, or even ships: 20380 and 22350. No, they mess up (obscenely) and let out a break of money, and they also dream of how (obscenely) about all kinds of Leaders and other things, having only naked at their disposal ...

                        So, in my opinion, when upgrading the Su-27S / P back to the SM model, it was necessary to unambiguously change the antenna in the N-001 station to PFAR Pero, which was actually proposed. Having driven the existing Su-27S / P through modern radar station by replacing the antenna with PFAR, the combat effectiveness of existing fighters would have significantly increased.


                        ... And the Su-27 in this form could stretch 10 years longer, until 2035. It's not meant to be...

                        The most that right now saves is 90 Su-35s against over 500 issued Fu-35s. No matter how weak the Fu-35 is, it will simply crush our numbers if that.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 12 June 2020 19: 40 New
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    If you think again, building an aircraft carrier now is exactly what a window dress is. However, this is so for everyone now except perhaps the United States. And then with reservations.
    We at VeMaeF have systemic problems
    In terms of importance
    A. addressing issues with the combat effectiveness of the SNF.
    - equipping existing RPKSN complex PTZ LASTA
    - solving system problems with torpedoes.
    - reorganization and reform of the existing base anti-submarine aviation.
    - modernization of existing mine-sweeping forces.
    - An adequate solution to the problem with the anti-submarine corvette for the OVR forces, on which a bolt is actually put.
    B. Solving issues with the combat effectiveness of naval aviation, while there is a rabble hodgepodge, without an adequate concept of military reconciliation.
    B. The formation of a floating rear, including the construction of military transports of the Ro-Ro type, KKS and tanker tankers.
    Etc. and the like, and when everything is fine with us, only then you can think about the UDC, aircraft carriers and other white elephants.
    1. Kolka Semenov
      Kolka Semenov 12 June 2020 21: 24 New
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      Quote: Cyril G ...
      If you think again, building an aircraft carrier now is exactly what a window dress is. However, this is so for everyone now except perhaps the United States. And then with reservations.
      We at VeMaeF have systemic problems
      In terms of importance
      A. addressing issues with the combat effectiveness of the SNF.
      - equipping existing RPKSN complex PTZ LASTA
      - solving system problems with torpedoes.
      - reorganization and reform of the existing base anti-submarine aviation.
      - modernization of existing mine-sweeping forces.
      - An adequate solution to the problem with the anti-submarine corvette for the OVR forces, on which a bolt is actually put.
      B. Solving issues with the combat effectiveness of naval aviation, while there is a rabble hodgepodge, without an adequate concept of military reconciliation.
      B. The formation of a floating rear, including the construction of military transports of the Ro-Ro type, KKS and tanker tankers.
      Etc. and the like, and when everything is fine with us, only then you can think about the UDC, aircraft carriers and other white elephants.


      Yes, you swung the coup! :)

      But seriously, it’s like in a joke about Rabinovich who looked at the editorial of Pravda in anticipation of an obituary. It’s not worth waiting for such changes in our life.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 10 June 2020 10: 11 New
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    In the author’s concept, one air raid of the Crimea can be repelled. What about two? What about three?
    As if Crimea is a separate state like Yugoslavia.
  • Boratsagdiev
    Boratsagdiev 10 June 2020 11: 07 New
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    "Able ..." and away we go ...
    1. (and most importantly) it is only a hypothetical "strategist" (1-3 pieces) who can commit his illegal actions against other countries. And then, it will be a "banana republic."
    And why?...
    And just because it makes no sense to launch a couple of planes on Russia. They will remain there (in the water area), and in retaliation the "evil Russians" may also sink something (not only in the Black Sea).
    And if there is a full-scale operation, it will turn out to be a full-fledged "parade", with a "salute, orchestra" and other tinsel that will "shine" for hundreds and hundreds of kilometers.
    And not so many of them remained, it is quite possible to control their movement.
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 10 June 2020 11: 21 New
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    The launching of missiles from Turkish airspace across the territory of the Russian Federation already gives the Russian Federation the right to retaliate a missile strike against Ankara, which gave the Yankees permission to shoot at the Russian Federation from their territory ... So here, any NATO country needs to think hard before harnessing itself to US military adventures against RF ...
  • Simsimal
    Simsimal 10 June 2020 11: 53 New
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    I have not read Damantsev for a long time.
  • Old26
    Old26 10 June 2020 15: 33 New
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    Quote: Olgovich
    And Crimea is only a small part of Russia and it will have to be held accountable to all of Russia.

    Well, the Americans are not so stupid as to strike at the main base of the Black Sea Fleet with that. The question is posed in principle as follows: is the air defense / missile defense system of Crimea capable of intercepting the first wave of impact. And what happens next is already the tenth matter. By the way, the same survivors of the B-1B raid will be able to and can fly in a second time. There are enough airfields in Europe, but we do not have enough charges for each airdrome. In addition, completely different cars can go the second wave, the same F-15E, F-16, F-35 and others

    Quote: Semenov Kolka
    I noticed that the idea prevails among Damantsev that it is necessary to fight not with the carrier but with the missiles launched by him.
    This is a dead end - in any case, all missiles cannot be intercepted, and the only way to counter B1B is with ZGRLS and intercepting the Su-35 using the R-37 long before launching the missiles from the carrier.

    Well, intercepting the carrier is preferable. Only now it will not always be possible. A strike from the Mediterranean will leave the B-1B unattainable. In addition, ZGRLS has a dead zone of about 900 km. So here, too, not everything is so simple and unambiguous ...
  • wow
    wow 10 June 2020 15: 40 New
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    The "blogger audience" for the most part did not come close to military service.
  • kamikaze
    kamikaze 10 June 2020 16: 18 New
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    You can of course INCLUDE KRAUSHA-4 REB AT ALL POSSIBILITY FRY ALL ELECTRONICS ON V-1V
  • squid
    squid 10 June 2020 16: 26 New
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    Yes, no longer need any Lancers with their interception. The agreement was canceled, now both jassms and perching will soon appear on the ground, and it’s good if only in Romania, and not under Kharkiv and Odessa.
    And no air defense against them will help - for an active proactive opponent, delivering the first strike with massive low-flying rockets with stealth technology and enveloping the terrain at extremely low altitudes, will always break through any air defense.
  • rica1952
    rica1952 10 June 2020 16: 43 New
    +1
    In the war with Georgia, the command was made by the commanding officer. Putin was in China, Medvedev was not available, Taburetkin was under the skirt of Madame.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 10 June 2020 16: 48 New
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    If everything is so good with air defense missiles, then why was everything so bad in Syria?
  • certero
    certero 10 June 2020 17: 20 New
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    Trying to shoot down an entire flying winged rocket is stupid. Because there can be several thousand or even tens of thousands.
    You must be prepared to destroy the media. Best right at the bases
  • Alexander Yaroshenko
    Alexander Yaroshenko 11 June 2020 14: 57 New
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    Enough to dabble, this nonsense for couch generals, one volley of Lancers is 24 missiles, so consider that one division can repel it
  • Dia Vitya
    Dia Vitya 11 June 2020 22: 07 New
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    Ha, they made fun! We have a knife at their throat, and God forbid they even sneeze in our direction - Russia will save the Earth from these geeks! Enough for a few minutes and nothing will remain of the hegemon. But we will have another great holiday.
  • G. Georgiev
    G. Georgiev 12 June 2020 10: 59 New
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    Neither the A-50 aircraft is constantly on duty in the air in any water area, nor the H036-Belka on the Su-57 are in serial production. American missiles will pass, as calmly as Israeli ones in Syria, near the S-300.
    (The last time an Israeli rocket exploded 10 km from a Russian base, a week ago.)
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 13 June 2020 00: 27 New
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    It is very bad that you constantly lose your thought for verbosity. I will help you read your own text.
    doubted the ability of <...> Russian air defense to repulse a massive strike B-1B

    И really, at first glance, this opinion is fully consistent reality

    Meanwhile, <...> the above point of view of the audience is hardly true.

    First of all, <...> And this means that there can be no talk of any “early interception of carriers by ground anti-aircraft defense systems”

    Secondly <...> Therefore, the above anti-aircraft missile systems and their anti-missiles are capable of intercepting the approaching tactical missiles JASSM-ER and anti-ship missiles LRASM beyond the radio horizon


    You have, firstly and secondly, arguments for opposing points of view.
    First, we lost.
    Secondly, we won.
  • Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 15 June 2020 21: 24 New
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    Again mattress pendautki from Natasha drive the wind on the Crimean peninsula. So they can not wait to go to feed the fish of the Black Sea
  • meandr51
    meandr51 16 June 2020 23: 21 New
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    Do not let them take off and go to the lines of launch. Beat the first, Fedya!
  • Tom Johnson
    Tom Johnson 22 June 2020 01: 16 New
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    Watch the video, only one B-ONE was recorded? The recorded BONE was intercepted after it simulated. It came from Greek airspace and the joined it sister that came from Poland --- S-400 failed.