On the failure of attempts to rehabilitate traitors to the motherland

On the failure of attempts to rehabilitate traitors to the motherland

History Russia of the past century has repeatedly become the object of manipulation by researchers trying to present an "alternative" point of view on past events. Persistent attempts to belittle or completely cross out the role of the Soviet people in the victory over fascist Germany, as well as in the whole of World War II, do not stop. And, probably, it is no coincidence that the domestic "non-systemic opposition" picks up and introduces into the field of public discussion the theses that are developed by representatives of this new historical school.


An example of such an activity is the cycle of lectures by the candidate of historical sciences Kirill Alexandrov on the history of the collaboration movement of General Vlasov, which are supported by the Novaya Gazeta.

In his works, K. Alexandrov tries to prove that the entry into the service of Soviet citizens in the German army is explained by the continually ongoing civil war, during which the leadership of the USSR, up to the advent of the "German liberators," eradicated dissent and political terror. The mass recruitment of Soviet troops into the ranks of the Russian Liberation Army by General Vlasov is explained by K. Alexandrov with high-order categories: responsibility for the fate of the Motherland, hatred of Bolshevism, or personal accounts with the Soviet government. On the whole, K. Aleksandrov is inclined to romanticize the image of the “officer of the ROA”, to give him shades of chivalrous valor and reckless fearlessness in the face of the bloody Soviet repressive machine. Confirmation of this, according to the author, is an analysis of the fate of Soviet generals who remained faithful to the oath in German captivity, most of whom successfully survived the war and continued their further service after liberation. In turn, according to the author, the soldiers and officers of the ROA took on a heavier burden and were mostly ideologically motivated.

As a result of his research, the author comes to the conclusion that the phenomenon of the appearance of the ROA is not due to inhuman conditions of detention of prisoners of war in concentration camps, as evidenced by the testimonies of the majority of ROA members, but by some form of social protest of former Soviet citizens against the Bolshevik system.

Considering the fate of the highest general and officer corps of the ROA, K. Alexandrov insistently invites the reader to take their place, understand and accept the choice they made. And in this case, the example of some former officers of the Red Army, who had impeccable personal characteristics before German captivity, who managed to distinguish themselves in battles or who fell under the flywheel of Stalin's pre-war repression, can really mislead an individual reader who is not familiar with other studies of this issue.

First of all, it should be noted that this author has been a member of the People's Labor Union since 1989, created in the twenties of the last century by white emigrants to fight the Soviet regime, i.e. organizations consistently used by Polish and German intelligence, and after the Second World War, also by the intelligence services of the USA and Great Britain. At the same time, the Novaya Gazeta publication, with the support of which lectures by K. Alexandrov is being held, does not receive funding from the budget of the Russian Federation, which may indicate focused work to undermine established assessments of the results of the Great Patriotic War in order to subsequently amend educational standards. In this context, it is noteworthy that, in a number of his statements, K. Alexandrov criticizes the unified history textbook developed by the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation, because it does not reflect demographic changes in Soviet society before the German attack on the USSR (population decline as a result of collectivization), which, in his opinion, are one of the reasons for the emergence of ROA.

Commenting on the contents of the Prague Manifesto, a program document of the Congress of the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia, an organization created by Vlasov with the support of the Germans at the final stage of the war as a kind of political center for future free Russia, K. Alexandrov draws direct parallels of this document with the current Constitution of the Russian Federation, as a result of which Nazi collaborators actually attributed to the achievement of certain rights and freedoms after the collapse of the USSR.

Thus, the activities of such "historians" are detrimental to the constitutional order, creating the conditions for the further whitening and glorification of Nazi collaborators.
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  1. Mavrikiy 9 June 2020 10: 03 New
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    representatives of this new historical school.
    More precisely, schools of corrupt traitors.
    1. apro 9 June 2020 10: 09 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      More precisely, schools of corrupt traitors.

      They are not corrupt ... and not traitors ... they are the spokesmen of the current ruling class. To justify the undisguised robbery of public property. The monstrous stratification of the population is their goal.
      1. Lexus 9 June 2020 10: 27 New
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        Not, well, if the Glavpoptrest is already “ambitious” “myrrh-streaming” mosaics (not differently, according to Freud), then the new “Carlito's Way” from the “ministry of enlightenment” is not far off.
      2. Civil 9 June 2020 10: 43 New
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        75 years have passed .... no need to pull the affairs and circumstances of those years on modern relations in society. Leave the dead alone. There is no Soviet state and Soviet people who accomplished the feat for the sake of socialist conquests, and not for the sake of what we have since 1991.
        1. URAL72 9 June 2020 11: 12 New
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          I do not agree. The Soviet people still exist, as there are those who built the country of soviets. And according to the old Russian tradition, “professors” need to be put on a stake!
        2. knn54 9 June 2020 14: 27 New
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          The process was closed. But there was a "report" of Abakumov to Stalin, in particular:
          ... the accused conveyed to the investigation the words of Himmler, who prophesied that the Stalin regime would soon fall: Zhukov would become his successor in military affairs, and Zhdanov in civil matters.
          What happened to Zhdanov and Zhukov is known.
          The Prague manifesto became an ideological platform, even a symbol of the struggle against Bolshevism and Stalinism. Take root in the USSR did not work.
          Today, attempt number 2 ..
          1. Reptiloid 10 June 2020 04: 22 New
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            The author writes that the lectures are supported by the Novaya Gazeta. It’s a pity that the author didn’t write, where exactly, for whom, a lecture cycle or what? After all, this Aleksandrov has long been spreading all slander. There have been reports about him for a long time. What new has he done just now compared to what he did before, or what new responses to him.
            1. Serg65 10 June 2020 12: 28 New
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              Quote: Reptiloid
              The author writes that the lectures are supported by the Novaya Gazeta

              And one of the owners of the Newspaper Misha Gorbachev, from here and all this stink about ROA !!!
              1. Reptiloid 10 June 2020 14: 07 New
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                hi Bony would come with a scythe soon negative . To him.
                Quote: Serg65
                ..... And one of the owners of the Newspaper Misha Gorbachev, from here and all this stink about ROA !!!
          2. Sergej1972 10 June 2020 20: 13 New
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            This accused in this way could specifically discredit Zhukov and Zhdanov. Another option is the political game of Abakumov himself. The fate of Abakumov is just sadder than the fate of Zhukov and Zhdanov.
        3. paul3390 9 June 2020 20: 28 New
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          Not true. We, the citizens of the USSR, are still alive .. And while we are alive, the Soviet state is also alive .. At least in the minds and souls of people ..
        4. Doliva63 9 June 2020 22: 46 New
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          In the 60s on ARD and CDF, I remember, and these are the German TV channels, they showed - snow, thorn, and women in sheepskin coats roaring at the camera in Russian - we want to be free! I studied at the “GSVG school” then - it was printed on notebooks, I thought that the GSVG was such a country of happiness. And on the nose of his father was a replacement in the Union. And I asked my father - are we going to go into this horror? laughing He said - calm down, there isn’t this nonsense that they show on TV, but there the Urals, there polar bears roam the street. And here we are in the Urals. Hotel "Sverdlovsk". Trams rattle around the clock, on the streets a sea of ​​people, but, damn it, not a single polar bear. Father says - the absence of polar bears compensates for the presence of barbed wire. And here we are in the town. Chic house in the forest. Birds, flowers around, aromas! And after 300-400 meters - a thorn. Behind her is a post, a sentry with a gun. And the favorite children's game is the guard laughing It was a unique town - they released some toys, produced cool lights for motorists - right now, there was such a!, There was a gunpowder factory, took missiles for air defense and strategic missile forces for repair, worked with materials from 19 towns - it was the most closed, 9th territory. And in the morning, Aida Vedishcheva sang on the speakers -
          "Forest deer" is still my favorite. When they built the "imperial road" for transporting rockets with cars, I dashed off on dump trucks, graders, on skating rinks - everything that moved there. They called me "the white man of the garrison" - I was the most blond in the town.
          Damn, I drank too much, it looks like. I noticed, even when I re-write, I try to make sure that it is correct in Russian.
      3. Wolverine 9 June 2020 16: 40 New
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        Quote: apro
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        More precisely, schools of corrupt traitors.

        They are not corrupt ... and not traitors ... they are the spokesmen of the current ruling class. To justify the undisguised robbery of public property. The monstrous stratification of the population is their goal.

        I agree, of course, it will not work to shoot them, but you need to talk about it loudly and point a finger at them.
        1. LeonidL 10 June 2020 00: 42 New
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          It’s not difficult to look for new Vlasovites today, they are not conspiring, but instead they stick out, not at all ashamed of their soiled reputation of Vlasov’s traitors - these are Echo, New, Rain ... The NTS have quite officially settled in Moscow and its environs. What is surprising if books about Vlasov as a “hero” are littered with counters no less than the creations of Rezun?
          1. Reptiloid 10 June 2020 04: 47 New
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            In 2016, Aleksandrov defended Diser negative about the Vlasovites, their "" ideological struggle "" at our place in St. Petersburg at the Institute on Petrozavodskaya Street of the Petrograd Side. There were protests immediately and then. From people, scientists and organizations. Doctors decided not to issue a diploma and canceled the defense. ....it serves him right. Then he cried that some valuable notebooks for this diser had been stolen from him from a grunt. When I went somewhere. But other, not so valuable notebooks were not stolen for some reason .... somehow the thieves recognized. ....
            1. LeonidL 10 June 2020 05: 52 New
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              It is a pity that the thieves, along with notebooks, did not steal the dissertant himself!
              1. Reptiloid 10 June 2020 06: 59 New
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                This is from the series ---- I have evidence, but they cannot be shown secret. And how should one behave if the thieves had the opportunity to read exercise books from a gruntsack and choose? And do not be shy to say such nonsense?
            2. Alf
              Alf 10 June 2020 19: 30 New
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              Quote: Reptiloid
              some valuable notebooks for this diser were stolen from him from a grunt.

              It was necessary to use these "works" in the toilet and make sure that he saw them there.
              1. Sergej1972 10 June 2020 20: 15 New
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                Why should they harm them?
                1. Alf
                  Alf 10 June 2020 20: 17 New
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                  Quote: Sergej1972
                  Why should they harm them?

                  You’re right, somehow I didn’t think, my mine is ... more expensive.
    2. Insurgent 9 June 2020 10: 10 New
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      On the failure of attempts to rehabilitate traitors to the motherland

      Is it only necessary to talk about this, as about particular?

      After all, the goal of such attempts is wider,in a radical reformatting of the consciousness of Russian citizens.
      1. bya965 10 June 2020 07: 42 New
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        My country has no ideology; it is united only by Victory in the Great Patriotic War. But there is a problem, the atheistic and socialist state won, and the victorious Soviet people were not believers and did not believe in the liberal values ​​of capitalism.

        Here that the mouth of their hierarchs says the Russian Orthodox Church in the person of Cyril
        https://youtu.be/hoqNlZJZcG8
        or another metropolitan (graduate student of a historian in the USSR!)
        https://youtu.be/ayEmdXz9a9s
        Add liberals + current power with monuments to Kolchak, Mannerheim and attempts to rehabilitate strongly believing generals Krasnov and Vlasov. And a ban on the memory of Stalin.
    3. Lexus 9 June 2020 10: 14 New
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      Thus, the activities of such "historians" are detrimental to the constitutional order, creating the conditions for the further whitening and glorification of Nazi collaborators.

      You might think that the monuments / centers of Brekhunitsyn, Boreal-Blue, different tablets / busts of the muddergeyms and other bastards, historians sculpt? And the highest awards for labeled Judas, let me, do they also hang? Yes, this is directly a huge Norilsk tank in the garden of unsatisfactory. They tried so hard, and the Author all their attempts to ksushadi down the drain. It’s not good to somehow obscure the true “heroes”. winked
    4. Basil50 9 June 2020 10: 33 New
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      Moor ....
      These * schools ... * have a long history.
      The Romanovs were related in Europe with the kings, and the nobility was actively * calalized * with import nobles. but it is worth reading that in Europe they wrote about their own relatives - the tsar with the nobles and about RUSSIA and about the RUSSIAN people. Feel free to come up with steaminess.
      Today we are being rubbed about the SOVIET UNION and the imported villains, and those who hang around in RUSSIA for imported money, hoping for frank and d and t .. about, do not even resent. There comes a realization that in Europe lying about RUSSIA is a way of life, an integral part of * European values ​​*.
  2. Million 9 June 2020 10: 05 New
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    For some reason, no one in the USSR tried to rehabilitate traitors, and only with a market economy began ...
    1. apro 9 June 2020 10: 13 New
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      Quote: Million
      For some reason, no one in the USSR tried to rehabilitate traitors

      There was such a period during the times of the Khrushchev. When they rehabilitated anyone, when they granted amnesty to Vlasov and Bandera and other forest brothers.
      1. Sergej1972 10 June 2020 20: 19 New
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        Rehabilitation and amnesty are two different things. Vlasovites and Bandera were amnestied.
    2. Insurgent 9 June 2020 10: 13 New
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      Quote: Million
      For some reason, no one in the USSR tried to rehabilitate traitors, and only with a market economy began ...

      Why? Hmm what ... Apparently, the public formation that existed then had other goals ...
    3. Serg65 10 June 2020 12: 32 New
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      Quote: Million
      For some reason, no one in the USSR tried to rehabilitate traitors

      Why didn’t you try? Khrushchev's rehabilitation is an example!
  3. Old partisan 9 June 2020 10: 22 New
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    Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs.
    Systemic opposition is those parteyki except edra in the State Duma such as "communists" and others. LDPR
    Contained by the Kremlin.
    And the rest is an off-system opposition. Including socialists of the left and the extreme left. Well, probably they are traitors and support.
  4. Gardamir 9 June 2020 10: 24 New
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    a "permanent civil war" allowed whites to launch a coup in 1991.
    And now all the supporters of the white movement are heroes. By the way, they say that they have already begun to hang the Mausoleum.
    1. AU Ivanov. 9 June 2020 10: 30 New
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      In 1991, the revolution was by no means white. The coup staged a red. Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze and others like them were neither Cadets nor monarchists — they were Communists.
      1. novel66 9 June 2020 10: 38 New
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        they were traitors and the gallows would them ..
        1. AU Ivanov. 9 June 2020 10: 42 New
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          Communists should not get used to be traitors, enemies of the people. Trotsky, Kamenev, Bukharin, Vlasov ... Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Kravchuk ... The party of traitors, as it is.
          1. kjhg 9 June 2020 12: 04 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Trotsky, Kamenev, Bukharin, Vlasov ... Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Kravchuk ... The party of traitors, as it is.

            Why didn't you list the rest? Putin, Medvedev, Matvienko, Tereshkov, Sechin, Mishustin ...?
            1. Serg65 10 June 2020 12: 46 New
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              Quote: kjhg
              Why didn't you list the rest? Putin, Medvedev, Matvienko, Tereshkov, Sechin, Mishustin ...?

              Yes, and you missed many ... Kaganovich, Voroshilov, Malenkov, Khrushchev, Shelepin, Brezhnev, Scherbitsky, Andropov, Ustinov, Kryuchkov, Yakovlev, Primakov, Yazov, Pavlov, Pugo, Yanaev, Kravchuk, Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky, Yavlinsky, Kasyanov Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky, Rashkin, Platoshkin, Grudinin ...... didn’t forget whom?
        2. Serg65 10 June 2020 12: 36 New
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          Quote: novel xnumx
          they were traitors and the gallows would them ..

          In this case, it was necessary to hang up immediately after March 5, the 53rd of all the party officials!
          Great rum! hi
    2. Insurgent 9 June 2020 10: 38 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      By the way, they say that they have already begun to hang the Mausoleum.

      Checked, really so.

      It is unfortunate that Putin himself does not understand that in this way he tears away the people from himself, and among his entourage there were no people who were more or less sensible in order to warn him against such suicidal steps ...



      The mausoleum on Red Square still began to drape

      In the Russian political public left-wing social networks appeared footage from Red Square. They show how temporary structures are being erected around the Lenin mausoleum. "Preparations for the Victory Parade have begun. The most important thing is to hide the Lenin Mausoleum," writes the Communist World community. This probably means that this year the mausoleum will again be hidden by decorations during the Victory Parade. Recall, Vladimir Putin ordered a parade in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Victory on June 24 - the day of the historic parade of 1945 on Red Square.


      https://www.nakanune.ru/news/2020/06/08/22575659/

      MOSCOW, June 8 - RIA News.

      The Communist Party faction in the State Duma submitted to the lower house of parliament a draft resolution of the State Duma addressing the country's president Vladimir Putin on the inadmissibility of decorating Lenin's mausoleum on Red Square during the Victory Day parade on June 24.

      The document is published in the electronic database of the State Duma.


      "Aware of the duty of respect for the ideals of the victorious Soviet people, veterans of the Great Patriotic War, the State Duma deputies consider it necessary during the military parade on Red Square in Moscow on June 24, 2020 to commemorate the 75th anniversary of the Victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945, in order to preserve the historical authenticity of the Moscow Kremlin in the form in which it was remembered by the participants and witnesses of the legendary Victory Parade, held on June 24, 1945 in the city of Moscow, not to hide the Mausoleum of V.I. Lenin behind the drapery and not change its usual for citizens of the country "


      https://ria.ru/20200608/1572639837.html
      1. kjhg 9 June 2020 12: 11 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        It’s sad that Putin himself doesn’t understand that in this way he tears away the people from himself

        I never cease to be surprised at people like you who still believe that Putin thinks about the people. Putin with the people, and his entourage-against. Thrice ha. I can’t even imagine where he still owes us .. that you change your mind. No, in words, then of course yes, it talks about it. But in fact, he and his gang are the enemies of the people in the full sense of the word. Although, I must admit, he has acting skills that allow him to hide it.
      2. Aviator_ 10 June 2020 08: 03 New
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        Putin himself does not understand that in this way he tears away the people from himself

        And he raises the retirement age for these people, he does not really need this people.
    3. Sergey S. 9 June 2020 10: 45 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      By the way, they say that they have already begun to hang the Mausoleum.

      Fighting monuments is so easy ....
      1. Reptiloid 10 June 2020 04: 57 New
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        Quote: Sergey S.
        Quote: Gardamir
        By the way, they say that they have already begun to hang the Mausoleum.

        Fighting monuments is so easy ....

        This is some kind of absurdity. After all, everyone knows that there is a Mausoleum. Thus, it is shown that there is fear, both before the Mausoleum, and everything connected with it.
        1. Sergey S. 10 June 2020 09: 59 New
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          Quote: Reptiloid
          Thus, it is shown that there is fear, both before the Mausoleum, and everything connected with it.

          The idea is simple, but not for everyone ...
    4. Serg65 10 June 2020 12: 34 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      allowed White to launch a coup in 1991.

      The Politburo and the CPSU Central Committee were white bodies ????
      1. Sergej1972 10 June 2020 20: 22 New
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        So from and were dissolved, and the Communist Party was banned.
  5. parusnik 9 June 2020 10: 38 New
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    Thus, the activities of such "historians" are detrimental to the constitutional order, creating the conditions for the further whitening and glorification of Nazi collaborators.
    .... Maybe the Russian prosecutor’s office will read your article and bring these persons to criminal responsibility ...
    1. Alf
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      Quote: parusnik
      the prosecutor’s office of the Russian Federation will read your article and bring these persons to criminal responsibility ...

      The existence of such persons is impossible without the permission of the state.
  6. novel66 9 June 2020 10: 38 New
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    traitors - the gallows .. it always has been, and not for us to change
  7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 June 2020 10: 40 New
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    Of course, Aleksandrov’s position is bullshit. Firstly, because what the Nazis carried with them, even according to their official propaganda, was much worse than all the "horrors" of Bolshevism, and many of the white movement held this position - and did not go to cooperation with the Germans. And secondly, for some reason, the Vlasovites, before captivity, somehow did not manifest themselves for the most part by some sort of anti-advisers. It is one thing if a person was a member of some underground anti-Soviet organization, then went over to the side of the fascists, this can still be explained by ideological considerations. It’s impossible to forgive, but it’s possible to explain. And these ... Exactly what the traitors of the Motherland have nothing to say
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      1. Operator 9 June 2020 17: 37 New
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        Do you think that the Vlasovites were so dumb that they did not read Mine Kampf?
        1. Tuzik 9 June 2020 17: 47 New
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          I think they just wanted to come to power in Russia with the help of the Germans, as for example Boleslav Take in Poland with the help of the USSR became president.
          1. Operator 9 June 2020 17: 55 New
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            As with your understanding, the Germans clearly stated the elimination of the Slavs not only in the program document, but in numerous public speeches of the Führer, First Deputy Führer, Second Deputy Führer, head of the SS, head of the RSHA, etc. etc.

            But the stupid of the ROA continued to believe in some kind of power in Russia?
            1. Tuzik 9 June 2020 17: 58 New
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              They eliminated the Jews and the Communists. The rest worked for them; at the beginning of the war many prisoners were sent home.
              1. Operator 9 June 2020 17: 59 New
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                Do you understand what a ruling party’s program document is?
                1. Tuzik 9 June 2020 18: 01 New
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                  Which is not confirmed by deeds? Empty chatter.
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                    Alf 9 June 2020 21: 07 New
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                    Quote: Tuzik
                    Which is not confirmed by deeds? Empty chatter.

                    Mass executions of civilians of the Soviet Union by the SS and Wehrmacht troops is "not confirmed by deeds"?
                    1. Tuzik 9 June 2020 21: 25 New
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                      In local episodes, the leaders probably went too far, like policemen in America, but there was no purposeful destruction. In the concentration camps, Jews - in the gas chamber, the rest - to work, escaped, fucked up, work.
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                        Alf 9 June 2020 21: 25 New
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                        Quote: Tuzik
                        but there was no deliberate destruction

                        Check out the Ost plan.
                      2. Tuzik 9 June 2020 21: 33 New
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                        Because of the comment about Vlasov, which has already been rubbed? No, not interesting, I better read about tanks. tongue
                    2. Serg65 10 June 2020 12: 52 New
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                      Quote: Tuzik
                      In episodes in the field, the leaders probably went too far

                      Yes, and not in the field too, too much ... you don’t think, for example, Himler the leader in the field?
                      Quote: Tuzik
                      In the concentration camps, Jews - in the gas chamber

                      Burned only the Jews?
                    3. Serg65 10 June 2020 13: 00 New
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                      Quote: Tuzik
                      I better read about tanks

                      Better read about Bronislaw Kaminsky!
                    4. Tuzik 10 June 2020 13: 11 New
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                      Not only of course.
                      The operator wrote: "The Germans clearly declared the elimination of the Slavs"
                      They can declare and declared, but even according to prisoners:
                      "It is known that 1,836,500 people were released from captivity and returned to their homeland, at least 180,000 emigrated to other countries. In addition, 823,230 people were released from the camps by the Germans."
                      This is the destruction of the Slavs? Now compare with the Jews. They declared about their liquidation and proved by deed.
                    5. Serg65 10 June 2020 13: 59 New
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                      Quote: Tuzik
                      even by prisoners:

                      If you take the average between the Soviet and German data, 4854350 people fell, minus 1836500 released, also minus 180000 emigrants and, accordingly 823230, we get 2014624 people who died in captivity. Now we take 5270000 hijacked to work in Germany minus 2164300 dead at these works. 2014624 + 2164300 we get 4178924 dead Soviet citizens in a foreign land .... are they all Jews ????
                      Regarding those released from the camps ..... we are talking about Soviet soldiers-natives of Western Ukraine, Western Belarus and the Baltic republics who were captured in the first month of the war. The liberation of these people was purely political in nature!
                      Quote: Tuzik
                      Now compare with the Jews

                      And let's compare with the defenders of Sevastopol? Of the 80 thousand prisoners on the rocks of Khersones, only half reached the camp near Bakhchisarai! Over 60 km. 40 thousand ways far from Jews were lost !!!
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                      The Germans in the 42nd, no longer had their skeleton, they would have left the war alive. Vlasov was probably counting on a variant of the type of the 18th year, to capture the bulk of Russia with the help of the Germans, then eventually win in the civilian, while the West and the Germans would sign an agreement like Versailles, and maybe they would help him.
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                      The Germans in the 42nd, no longer had their skeleton, they would have left the war alive.

                      laughing Did Hitler tell you over a beer?
                      Quote: Tuzik
                      Vlasov was probably counting on a variant of the type of the 18th year, to capture the bulk of Russia with the help of the Germans, then eventually win in the civilian, while the West and the Germans would sign an agreement like Versailles, and maybe they would help him.

                      Vlasov hoped only to save his skin .... and only !!!
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                      Why then didn’t he want to fly away from the environment on the plane? (This is written on Wiki)
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                      Quote: Tuzik
                      Why then didn’t he want to fly away from the environment on the plane?

                      To get into the "paws of a bloody gebni" for the loss of an army? And so .. he lifted his hands ... and then you and schnapps, and bacon, and girls !!!!!
  • Avior 9 June 2020 10: 49 New
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    . Commenting on the contents of the Prague Manifesto - a program document of the Congress of the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia, ... K. Alexandrov draws direct parallels of this document with the current Constitution of the Russian Federation ....

    Interesting girls are dancing.
    An unexpected turn of the plot is parallel to the Constitution of the Russian Federation with the Vlasov manifesto.
    And not only with the Constitution.
    Comrade Stalin and the Bolsheviks, in general this manifesto, fell from the Vlasovites, of course, but not only to him.

    . ... the forces of imperialism are fighting, led by the plutocrats of England and the USA; whose greatness is built on the oppression and exploitation of other countries and peoples ..... The forces of destruction and enslavement cover their criminal goals with the slogans of the defense of freedom, democracy, culture and civilization. Under the protection of freedom they understand the conquest of foreign lands. Under the protection of democracy they understand the forcible imposition of their political system on other states. Under the protection of culture and civilization, they understand the destruction of cultural monuments and civilizations created by the thousand-year-old labor of other nations .....

    Well, the goals and objectives are written out in this manifesto, of course, for all the good versus all the bad, as usual, but you do not want to be compared with today, not only with the Constitution, when reading, they all arise by themselves
    . The following main principles:

    Equality of all peoples of Russia and their valid right to national development, self-determination and state independence.
    The approval of the national labor system, in which all the interests of the state are subordinated to the tasks of raising the welfare and development of the nation.
    Preservation of peace and the establishment of friendly relations with all countries and the comprehensive development of international cooperation.
    Extensive government activities to strengthen family and marriage. Actual equality of women.
    Elimination of forced labor and providing workers with a valid right to free labor, creating their material well-being, establishing payment for all types of labor in amounts that ensure a cultural standard of living.
    Liquidation of collective farms, free transfer of land to the private property of peasants. Freedom of forms of labor land use. Free use of the products of their own labor, the abolition of forced deliveries and the destruction of debt obligations to the Soviet government.
    Establishment of inviolable private labor property. Restoring trade, crafts, handicrafts and providing private initiative with the right and opportunity to participate in the economic life of the country.
    Providing the intelligentsia with the opportunity to freely create for the benefit of their people.
    Ensuring social justice and protecting workers from all exploitation, regardless of their origin and past activities.
    An introduction for all, without exception, a valid right to free education, medical care, leisure, and old age.
    Destruction of the regime of terror and violence. Elimination of forced relocations and mass exiles. The introduction of real freedom of religion, conscience, speech, assembly, press. Guarantee of the inviolability of the person, property and home. Equality of all before the law, independence and publicity of the court.
    The liberation of political prisoners of Bolshevism and the return to their homeland from prisons and camps of all those who were repressed for the struggle against Bolshevism. There is no revenge and persecution for those who stop the struggle for Stalin and Bolshevism, regardless of whether he led it out of conviction or forcibly.
    The restoration of the public heritage destroyed during the war - cities, villages, factories and factories at the expense of the state.
    State support of war invalids and their families.

    I doubt strongly, of course, that the majority of Vlasov’s majority was very interested in this manifesto, and whether they all read it at all, but that’s the ideology that’s been used ....
  • Boris55 9 June 2020 10: 52 New
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    On April 28, 2020, Dmitry Kiselev, in his TV program for the whole country, spoke in favor of erecting a monument to the SS man (the SS was recognized by the Nuremberg Tribunal as a criminal organization, and its members are not entitled to pardon by statute of limitations), Nazi accomplice Krasnov throughout the country and other accomplices of the Nazis. One such monument stands ... and we are indignant where the Kolisurengoy come from ...

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      One such monument stands ... and we are indignant where the Kolisurengoy come from ...

      Zhukov and Kovpak somehow do not fit into the heroes of modern Russia. The gentlemen have their own heroes - Manerheim, Krasnov, Kolchak .... Or do you still have illusions in which country we live? hi
  • vvvjak 9 June 2020 10: 57 New
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    The mass recruitment of Soviet troops into the ranks of the Russian Liberation Army by General Vlasov is explained by K. Alexandrov with high-order categories: responsibility for the fate of the Motherland, hatred of Bolshevism, or personal accounts with the Soviet government.

    According to this "theory" it can also be argued that Chikatilo is not a serial killer, pedophile, etc. (as described by "Soviet propaganda"). He is quite a "heroic fighter" with the Soviet "bloody regime", who deliberately sacrificed himself to prove to the whole world the inability of the Communist Party to protect ordinary Soviet citizens.
  • MstislavHrabr 9 June 2020 11: 11 New
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    Vlasov, Yeltsin, Chubais - thought and acted the same ...
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      Quote: MstislavHrabr
      Vlasov, Yeltsin, Chubais

      After Chubais surnames can continue ...
  • 1536 9 June 2020 11: 51 New
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    Betrayal in any form is a disgusting action of man. It is one thing if a person in a German concentration camp was turned into an animal, and this person, due to his inhuman position and fear of dying, went into the ranks of the ROA. This can be understood. You cannot forgive. Indeed, basically Vlasovites were forced to kill Communists, Jews, and only then were they accepted into the ranks of this so-called “army”. They were called "baptized," the blood of the people they killed baptized. Thus, the ROA consisted for the most part of criminals, murderers, outspoken non-humans.
    But another thing is when a person begins to urge to kill for some ideological reasons. Becomes a professional killer, a mentally disabled person. There were a minority of such in the ROA, but they determined the policy of this organization. They were KONR (Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia), where the priest Alexander Kiselev set the ideological tone (his biography is remarkable) It is the words from his "manifest" that underlie the whitening of betrayal and the existence of the ROA in our time:
    Kiselev stated: "You, the esteemed General Andrei Andreyevich, you, members of the Committee for the Salvation of the Peoples of Russia, and we all, ordinary workers of our great and long-suffering people, will unanimously and boldly engage in the holy cause of saving the Fatherland."
    When there are such "saviors" and the German occupation is not necessary. In the future, the enemies of the Russian people took advantage of these developments of the Vlasovites, destroying in them, in fact, the dream of a bright future, replacing it with the dream of sausage, money, a jeep, on which you can kill if you are a famous person and you have a lot of money. That is what Vlasov’s ideology is when the minority imposes base thoughts on the majority and indulges base passions.
    Tired of them, she was more ...
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    The photo for the article depicts from left to right: A.A. Vlasov, head of the main propaganda department of KONR G.N. Zhilenkov, SS Obergruppenfuhrer V. Krueger, Reich Minister Minister J. Goebbels. Who knows why Vlasov’s tunic without insignia? And Zhilenko with epaulets, buttonholes, chevrons?
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    The dismantling of the USSR ("geopolitical catastrophe"), the degradation of the social sphere, the surrender of the republics and allies to the geopolitical enemy for indefinite use, the establishment of a "new" financial and economic order that ensures "containment of Russia" - this is "rehabilitation".
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    Thus, the activities of such "historians" are detrimental to the constitutional order, creating the conditions for the further whitening and glorification of Nazi collaborators.
    how? if my grandfather fought, my son knows who his great-grandfathers fought for, and I hope the grandson will also know (now small). Most of our citizens have ancestors fought on our side. sent. This brain physician has an effect on those who dodge, who have not been instilled with a concept.
  • nikvic46 9 June 2020 16: 47 New
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    For some reason, no one in the USSR tried to rehabilitate traitors, and only with a market economy began ...

    Question as they say in the "top ten." It was these marketers who kept and continue to contain such publications. And so, I think, will continue to be so.
  • boris epstein 10 June 2020 07: 45 New
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    "K. Alexandrov insistently invites the reader to take their place, understand and accept the choice,"
    Yes, I do not want to take their place. Neither Vlasov, nor Zhilenkov, nor Bunyachenko were repressed by any of their relatives. In addition, Vlasov and Zhilenkov successfully advanced in the Red Army through the ranks, were members of the CPSU (b), and Vlasov was on a business trip abroad in China and had government awards. Among the pilots of the Vlasov army was even a Hero of the Soviet Union. This is also how they offended them ?! Generals Muzychenko and Karbyshev did not betray. But Karbyshev was still a general of the tsarist army. General Muzychenko, after being released from the concentration camp and checked in the filtration camp in the USSR, was reinstated in the rank, he was returned the awards and party experience.
    Together with K Aleksandrov, two more of the same brothers Tereshchuk are working. I watched 92 episodes of their "documentary" film World War II.
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    He is not a corrupt scribbler. He sensitively captures the current situation ...
  • Andrei Nikolaevich 10 June 2020 23: 01 New
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    My personal opinion is that I am a citizen of this country. I obey the laws and pay taxes. I don’t even want to hear about any kind of “rehabilitation” of the traitors of my country. My grandfather fought.
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    For me - born in the USSR - Vlasovites, Bandera were, and remain traitors, and enemies of the people's power. I think the same traitors are those who betrayed the interests of the people and threw the country at the feet of world capitalism, turning it into a raw materials appendage of the West. hi
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    I agree with Aleksandrov only in one thing: collaboration of the Great Patriotic War is an echo of the civil war. Moreover, I believe that today's civil wars (in Ukraine explicit, and in Russia and the former republics of the USSR implicit) are rooted in that civil war of 1917-1922.
    In all other respects I strongly disagree with Aleksandrov, I consider him to be as much a collaborator as all the traitors of the Great Patriotic War. Only modern.
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    And what do we have about the article "rehabilitation of Nazism"? Why is this goldfinch still not behind bars?