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On the failure of attempts to rehabilitate traitors to the motherland

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On the failure of attempts to rehabilitate traitors to the motherland

History Russia of the past century has repeatedly become the object of manipulation by researchers trying to present an "alternative" point of view on past events. Persistent attempts to belittle or completely cross out the role of the Soviet people in the victory over fascist Germany, as well as in the whole of World War II, do not stop. And, probably, it is no coincidence that the domestic "non-systemic opposition" picks up and introduces into the field of public discussion the theses that are developed by representatives of this new historical school.


An example of such an activity is the cycle of lectures by the candidate of historical sciences Kirill Alexandrov on the history of the collaboration movement of General Vlasov, which are supported by the Novaya Gazeta.

In his works, K. Alexandrov tries to prove that the entry into the service of Soviet citizens in the German army is explained by the continually ongoing civil war, during which the leadership of the USSR, up to the advent of the "German liberators," eradicated dissent and political terror. The mass recruitment of Soviet troops into the ranks of the Russian Liberation Army by General Vlasov is explained by K. Alexandrov with high-order categories: responsibility for the fate of the Motherland, hatred of Bolshevism, or personal accounts with the Soviet government. On the whole, K. Aleksandrov is inclined to romanticize the image of the “officer of the ROA”, to give him shades of chivalrous valor and reckless fearlessness in the face of the bloody Soviet repressive machine. Confirmation of this, according to the author, is an analysis of the fate of Soviet generals who remained faithful to the oath in German captivity, most of whom successfully survived the war and continued their further service after liberation. In turn, according to the author, the soldiers and officers of the ROA took on a heavier burden and were mostly ideologically motivated.

As a result of his research, the author comes to the conclusion that the phenomenon of the appearance of the ROA is not due to inhuman conditions of detention of prisoners of war in concentration camps, as evidenced by the testimonies of the majority of ROA members, but by some form of social protest of former Soviet citizens against the Bolshevik system.

Considering the fate of the highest general and officer corps of the ROA, K. Alexandrov insistently invites the reader to take their place, understand and accept the choice they made. And in this case, the example of some former officers of the Red Army, who had impeccable personal characteristics before German captivity, who managed to distinguish themselves in battles or who fell under the flywheel of Stalin's pre-war repression, can really mislead an individual reader who is not familiar with other studies of this issue.

First of all, it should be noted that this author has been a member of the People's Labor Union since 1989, created in the twenties of the last century by white emigrants to fight the Soviet regime, i.e. organizations consistently used by Polish and German intelligence, and after the Second World War, also by the intelligence services of the USA and Great Britain. At the same time, the Novaya Gazeta publication, with the support of which lectures by K. Alexandrov is being held, does not receive funding from the budget of the Russian Federation, which may indicate focused work to undermine established assessments of the results of the Great Patriotic War in order to subsequently amend educational standards. In this context, it is noteworthy that, in a number of his statements, K. Alexandrov criticizes the unified history textbook developed by the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation, because it does not reflect demographic changes in Soviet society before the German attack on the USSR (population decline as a result of collectivization), which, in his opinion, are one of the reasons for the emergence of ROA.

Commenting on the contents of the Prague Manifesto, a program document of the Congress of the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia, an organization created by Vlasov with the support of the Germans at the final stage of the war as a kind of political center for future free Russia, K. Alexandrov draws direct parallels of this document with the current Constitution of the Russian Federation, as a result of which Nazi collaborators actually attributed to the achievement of certain rights and freedoms after the collapse of the USSR.

Thus, the activities of such "historians" are detrimental to the constitutional order, creating the conditions for the further whitening and glorification of Nazi collaborators.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 9 June 2020 10: 03 New
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    representatives of this new historical school.
    More precisely, schools of corrupt traitors.
    1. apro
      apro 9 June 2020 10: 09 New
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      Quote: Mavrikiy
      More precisely, schools of corrupt traitors.

      They are not corrupt ... and not traitors ... they are the spokesmen of the current ruling class. To justify the undisguised robbery of public property. The monstrous stratification of the population is their goal.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 9 June 2020 10: 27 New
        +9
        No, well, if the "glavpoptrest" is already "headlong" "myrrh-streaming" (not otherwise, according to Freud) mosaics, then a new "Carlito's Way" from the "Ministry of Education" is not far off.
      2. Civil
        Civil 9 June 2020 10: 43 New
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        75 years have passed .... no need to pull the affairs and circumstances of those years on modern relations in society. Leave the dead alone. There is no Soviet state and Soviet people who accomplished the feat for the sake of socialist conquests, and not for the sake of what we have since 1991.
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 9 June 2020 11: 12 New
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          I disagree. The Soviet people still exist, as there are those who built the country of the Soviets. And according to the old Russian tradition, the "professor" should be put on a stake!
        2. knn54
          knn54 9 June 2020 14: 27 New
          -6
          The trial was closed. But there was a "report" from Abakumov to Stalin, in particular:
          ... the accused conveyed to the investigation the words of Himmler, who prophesied that the Stalin regime would soon fall: Zhukov would become his successor in military affairs, and Zhdanov in civil matters.
          What happened to Zhdanov and Zhukov is known.
          The Prague manifesto became an ideological platform, even a symbol of the struggle against Bolshevism and Stalinism. Take root in the USSR did not work.
          Today, attempt number 2 ..
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 10 June 2020 04: 22 New
            +2
            The author writes that the lectures are supported by the Novaya Gazeta. It’s a pity that the author didn’t write, where exactly, for whom, a lecture cycle or what? After all, this Aleksandrov has long been spreading all slander. There have been reports about him for a long time. What new has he done just now compared to what he did before, or what new responses to him.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 10 June 2020 12: 28 New
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              Quote: Reptiloid
              The author writes that the lectures are supported by the Novaya Gazeta

              And one of the owners of the Newspaper Misha Gorbachev, from here and all this stink about ROA !!!
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 10 June 2020 14: 07 New
                +1
                hi Bony would come with a scythe soon negative . To him.
                Quote: Serg65
                ..... And one of the owners of the Newspaper Misha Gorbachev, from here and all this stink about ROA !!!
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 10 June 2020 20: 13 New
            +1
            This accused in this way could specifically discredit Zhukov and Zhdanov. Another option is the political game of Abakumov himself. The fate of Abakumov is just sadder than the fate of Zhukov and Zhdanov.
        3. paul3390
          paul3390 9 June 2020 20: 28 New
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          Not true. We, the citizens of the USSR, are still alive .. And while we are alive, the Soviet state is also alive .. At least in the minds and souls of people ..
        4. Doliva63
          Doliva63 9 June 2020 22: 46 New
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          In the 60s on ARD and CDF, I remember, and these are TV channels from Germany, they showed - snow, thorns, and women in sheepskin coats roaring at the camera in Russian - we want to be free! I then studied at the "GSVG school" - as it was printed on notebooks, I thought that the GSVG is such a country of happiness. And on the nose of my father was a replacement for the Union. And I asked my father - are we going to this horror? laughing He said - calm down, there is no such nonsense that is shown on TV, but there is Ural, there polar bears roam the street. And here we are in the Urals. Hotel "Sverdlovsk". Trams are rattling around the clock, there are a lot of people on the streets, but, damn it, not a single polar bear. The father says that the absence of polar bears compensates for the presence of barbed wire. And here we are in the town. Luxurious house in the woods. Birds, flowers around, aromas! And after 300-400 meters - a thorn. Behind her is a post, a sentry with a machine gun. And the favorite child's game is the guard laughing It was a unique town - they released some toys, produced cool lights for motorists - right now, there was such a!, There was a gunpowder factory, took missiles for air defense and strategic missile forces for repair, worked with materials from 19 towns - it was the most closed, 9th territory. And in the morning, Aida Vedishcheva sang on the speakers -
          "Forest Deer" is still my favorite. When they were building the "imperial road" for the delivery of missiles by cars, I dashed off on dump trucks, graders, on rollers - everything that moved there. They called me "the whitest man in the garrison" - I was the whitest in town.
          Damn, I drank too much, it looks like. I noticed, even when I re-write, I try to make sure that it is correct in Russian.
      3. Wolverine
        Wolverine 9 June 2020 16: 40 New
        +6
        Quote: apro
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        More precisely, schools of corrupt traitors.

        They are not corrupt ... and not traitors ... they are the spokesmen of the current ruling class. To justify the undisguised robbery of public property. The monstrous stratification of the population is their goal.

        I agree, of course, it will not work to shoot them, but you need to talk about it loudly and point a finger at them.
        1. LeonidL
          LeonidL 10 June 2020 00: 42 New
          +7
          It is not difficult to search for new Vlasovites from the segrodnya, they are not conspiratorial, but rather stick out, not at all ashamed of their soiled reputation as traitors to the Vlasovites - these are Echo, Novaya, Dozhd ... NTS are quite officially based in Moscow and the surrounding area. Why be surprised if books about Vlasov as a "hero" are littered with counters no less than Rezun's creations?
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 10 June 2020 04: 47 New
            +6
            In 2016, Aleksandrov defended Diser negative about the Vlasovites, their "ideological struggle" "in our St. Petersburg Institute at the Petrozavodskaya Street of the Petrogradskaya Side. There were protests immediately and then. From people, scientists and organizations. It was decided not to issue a doctor's diploma and the defense was canceled. ....it serves him right. He then cried that some valuable notebooks for this disser had been stolen from his grunt. When I went somewhere. But other, not so valuable notebooks were not stolen for some reason .... somehow the thieves found out. ....
            1. LeonidL
              LeonidL 10 June 2020 05: 52 New
              +5
              It is a pity that the thieves, along with notebooks, did not steal the dissertant himself!
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 10 June 2020 06: 59 New
                +3
                This is from the series ---- I have evidence, but they cannot be shown secret. And how should one behave if the thieves had the opportunity to read exercise books from a gruntsack and choose? And do not be shy to say such nonsense?
            2. Alf
              Alf 10 June 2020 19: 30 New
              +2
              Quote: Reptiloid
              some valuable notebooks for this diser were stolen from him from a grunt.

              It was necessary to use these "works" in the toilet and make him see them there.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 10 June 2020 20: 15 New
                +4
                Why should they harm them?
                1. Alf
                  Alf 10 June 2020 20: 17 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Sergej1972
                  Why should they harm them?

                  You’re right, somehow I didn’t think, my mine is ... more expensive.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 9 June 2020 10: 10 New
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      On the failure of attempts to rehabilitate traitors to the motherland

      Is it only necessary to talk about this, as about particular?

      After all, the goal of such attempts is wider,in a radical reformatting of the consciousness of Russian citizens.
      1. bya965
        bya965 10 June 2020 07: 42 New
        +6
        My country has no ideology; it is united only by Victory in the Great Patriotic War. But there is a problem, the atheistic and socialist state won, and the victorious Soviet people were not believers and did not believe in the liberal values ​​of capitalism.

        Here that the mouth of their hierarchs says the Russian Orthodox Church in the person of Cyril
        https://youtu.be/hoqNlZJZcG8
        or another metropolitan (graduate student of a historian in the USSR!)
        https://youtu.be/ayEmdXz9a9s
        Add liberals + current power with monuments to Kolchak, Mannerheim and attempts to rehabilitate strongly believing generals Krasnov and Vlasov. And a ban on the memory of Stalin.
    3. Lexus
      Lexus 9 June 2020 10: 14 New
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      Thus, the activities of such "historians" are detrimental to the constitutional order, creating the conditions for the further whitening and glorification of Nazi collaborators.

      You would think that the monuments / centers to Brekhunitsyn, Bore-Blue, different plaques / busts to muddergames and other scampers, are historians sculpted? And the highest awards for marked Judas, excuse me, do they also hang? Yes, this is just a huge Norilsk tank in the garden of non-trickers. They tried so hard, and the Author kept all their efforts down the drain. It is not good to somehow shade the true "hyroev". winked
    4. Basil50
      Basil50 9 June 2020 10: 33 New
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      Moor ....
      These * schools ... * have a long history.
      The Romanovs were related in Europe with the kings, and the nobility was actively * calalized * with import nobles. but it is worth reading that in Europe they wrote about their own relatives - the tsar with the nobles and about RUSSIA and about the RUSSIAN people. Feel free to come up with steaminess.
      Today we are being rubbed about the SOVIET UNION and the imported villains, and those who hang around in RUSSIA for imported money, hoping for frank and d and t .. about, do not even resent. There comes a realization that in Europe lying about RUSSIA is a way of life, an integral part of * European values ​​*.
  2. Million
    Million 9 June 2020 10: 05 New
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    For some reason, no one in the USSR tried to rehabilitate traitors, and only with a market economy began ...
    1. apro
      apro 9 June 2020 10: 13 New
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      Quote: Million
      For some reason, no one in the USSR tried to rehabilitate traitors

      There was such a period during the times of the Khrushchev. When they rehabilitated anyone, when they granted amnesty to Vlasov and Bandera and other forest brothers.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 10 June 2020 20: 19 New
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        Rehabilitation and amnesty are two different things. Vlasovites and Bandera were amnestied.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 9 June 2020 10: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Million
      For some reason, no one in the USSR tried to rehabilitate traitors, and only with a market economy began ...

      Why? Hmm what ... Apparently, the public formation that existed then had other goals ...
    3. Serg65
      Serg65 10 June 2020 12: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Million
      For some reason, no one in the USSR tried to rehabilitate traitors

      Why didn’t you try? Khrushchev's rehabilitation is an example!
  3. Old partisan
    Old partisan 9 June 2020 10: 22 New
    -8
    Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs.
    The systemic opposition is those parties except the edra in the State Duma of the type of "communists" and so on. LDPR
    Contained by the Kremlin.
    And the rest is an off-system opposition. Including socialists of the left and the extreme left. Well, probably they are traitors and support.
  4. Gardamir
    Gardamir 9 June 2020 10: 24 New
    +9
    the "permanent civil war" allowed whites to stage a coup in 1991.
    And now all the supporters of the white movement are heroes. By the way, they say that they have already begun to hang the Mausoleum.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 9 June 2020 10: 30 New
      -17
      In 1991, the revolution was by no means white. The coup staged a red. Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze and others like them were neither Cadets nor monarchists — they were Communists.
      1. novel66
        novel66 9 June 2020 10: 38 New
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        they were traitors and the gallows would them ..
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 9 June 2020 10: 42 New
          -22
          Communists should not get used to be traitors, enemies of the people. Trotsky, Kamenev, Bukharin, Vlasov ... Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Kravchuk ... The party of traitors, as it is.
          1. kjhg
            kjhg 9 June 2020 12: 04 New
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            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Trotsky, Kamenev, Bukharin, Vlasov ... Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Kravchuk ... The party of traitors, as it is.

            Why didn't you list the rest? Putin, Medvedev, Matvienko, Tereshkov, Sechin, Mishustin ...?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 10 June 2020 12: 46 New
              -6
              Quote: kjhg
              Why didn't you list the rest? Putin, Medvedev, Matvienko, Tereshkov, Sechin, Mishustin ...?

              Yes, and you missed many ... Kaganovich, Voroshilov, Malenkov, Khrushchev, Shelepin, Brezhnev, Scherbitsky, Andropov, Ustinov, Kryuchkov, Yakovlev, Primakov, Yazov, Pavlov, Pugo, Yanaev, Kravchuk, Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky, Yavlinsky, Kasyanov Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky, Rashkin, Platoshkin, Grudinin ...... didn’t forget whom?
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 10 June 2020 12: 36 New
          -1
          Quote: novel xnumx
          they were traitors and the gallows would them ..

          In this case, it was necessary to hang up immediately after March 5, the 53rd of all the party officials!
          Great rum! hi
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 9 June 2020 10: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      By the way, they say that they have already begun to hang the Mausoleum.

      Checked, really so.

      It is unfortunate that Putin himself does not understand that in this way he tears away the people from himself, and among his entourage there were no people who were more or less sensible in order to warn him against such suicidal steps ...



      The mausoleum on Red Square still began to drape

      In Russian left-wing political publics, footage from Red Square appeared on social networks. They show how temporary structures are being erected around Lenin's mausoleum. "Preparations for the Victory Parade have begun. The most important thing is to hide the Lenin Mausoleum," writes the Communist World community. This probably means that this year the mausoleum will again be hidden by the decorations during the Victory Day parade. Recall that Vladimir Putin ordered a parade in honor of the 75th anniversary of Victory on June 24, the day of the historic 1945 parade on Red Square.


      https://www.nakanune.ru/news/2020/06/08/22575659/

      MOSCOW, June 8 - RIA News.

      The Communist Party faction in the State Duma submitted to the lower house of parliament a draft resolution of the State Duma addressing the country's president Vladimir Putin on the inadmissibility of decorating Lenin's mausoleum on Red Square during the Victory Day parade on June 24.

      The document is published in the electronic database of the State Duma.


      "Aware of the duty of respectful attitude to the ideals of the victorious Soviet people, veterans of the Great Patriotic War, the State Duma deputies consider it necessary during the June 24, 2020 military parade on Red Square in Moscow to commemorate the 75th anniversary of the Victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War. 1941-1945 in order to preserve the historical authenticity of the Moscow Kremlin in the form in which it was remembered by the participants and witnesses of the legendary Victory Parade, held on June 24, 1945 in the city of Moscow, do not hide the Lenin Mausoleum behind the drapery and not change its usual citizens of the country everyday appearance "


      https://ria.ru/20200608/1572639837.html
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 9 June 2020 12: 11 New
        +8
        Quote: Insurgent
        It’s sad that Putin himself doesn’t understand that in this way he tears away the people from himself

        I never cease to be surprised at people like you who still believe that Putin thinks about the people. Putin with the people, and his entourage-against. Thrice ha. I can’t even imagine where he still owes us .. that you change your mind. No, in words, then of course yes, it talks about it. But in fact, he and his gang are the enemies of the people in the full sense of the word. Although, I must admit, he has acting skills that allow him to hide it.
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 10 June 2020 08: 03 New
        +4
        Putin himself does not understand that in this way he tears away the people from himself

        And he raises the retirement age for these people, he does not really need this people.
    3. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 9 June 2020 10: 45 New
      +7
      Quote: Gardamir
      By the way, they say that they have already begun to hang the Mausoleum.

      Fighting monuments is so easy ....
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 10 June 2020 04: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: Sergey S.
        Quote: Gardamir
        By the way, they say that they have already begun to hang the Mausoleum.

        Fighting monuments is so easy ....

        This is some kind of absurdity. After all, everyone knows that there is a Mausoleum. Thus, it is shown that there is fear, both before the Mausoleum, and everything connected with it.
        1. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. 10 June 2020 09: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Reptiloid
          Thus, it is shown that there is fear, both before the Mausoleum, and everything connected with it.

          The idea is simple, but not for everyone ...
    4. Serg65
      Serg65 10 June 2020 12: 34 New
      -1
      Quote: Gardamir
      allowed White to launch a coup in 1991.

      The Politburo and the CPSU Central Committee were white bodies ????
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 10 June 2020 20: 22 New
        +2
        So from and were dissolved, and the Communist Party was banned.
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 9 June 2020 10: 38 New
    +3
    Thus, the activities of such "historians" are detrimental to the constitutional order, creating the conditions for the further whitening and glorification of Nazi collaborators.
    .... Maybe the Russian prosecutor’s office will read your article and bring these persons to criminal responsibility ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 9 June 2020 21: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      the prosecutor’s office of the Russian Federation will read your article and bring these persons to criminal responsibility ...

      The existence of such persons is impossible without the permission of the state.
  6. novel66
    novel66 9 June 2020 10: 38 New
    10
    traitors - the gallows .. it always has been, and not for us to change
  7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 9 June 2020 10: 40 New
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    Of course, Aleksandrov's position is bullshit. Firstly, because what the Nazis carried with them, even according to their official propaganda, is much worse than all the "horrors" of Bolshevism, and this position was adhered to by many of the white movement - and did not cooperate with the Germans. And secondly, for some reason, before captivity, the Vlasovites somehow did not manifest themselves in the mass as some kind of anti-Soviet. It's one thing if a person was a member of some underground anti-Soviet organization, then went over to the side of the Nazis, this can still be explained by ideological considerations. You cannot forgive, but you can explain. And these ... Precisely that traitors to the Motherland and there is nothing to talk about
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      1. Operator
        Operator 9 June 2020 17: 37 New
        +2
        Do you think that the Vlasovites were so stupid that they did not read "Mein Kampf"?
        1. Tuzik
          Tuzik 9 June 2020 17: 47 New
          -4
          I think they just wanted to come to power in Russia with the help of the Germans, as for example Boleslav Take in Poland with the help of the USSR became president.
          1. Operator
            Operator 9 June 2020 17: 55 New
            +6
            As with your understanding, the Germans clearly stated the elimination of the Slavs not only in the program document, but in numerous public speeches of the Führer, First Deputy Führer, Second Deputy Führer, head of the SS, head of the RSHA, etc. etc.

            But the stupid of the ROA continued to believe in some kind of power in Russia?
            1. Tuzik
              Tuzik 9 June 2020 17: 58 New
              -10
              They eliminated the Jews and the Communists. The rest worked for them; at the beginning of the war many prisoners were sent home.
              1. Operator
                Operator 9 June 2020 17: 59 New
                +5
                Do you understand what a ruling party’s program document is?
                1. Tuzik
                  Tuzik 9 June 2020 18: 01 New
                  -12
                  Which is not confirmed by deeds? Empty chatter.
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 9 June 2020 21: 07 New
                    +8
                    Quote: Tuzik
                    Which is not confirmed by deeds? Empty chatter.

                    Mass executions of civilians of the Soviet Union by the SS and the Wehrmacht is "not confirmed by deeds"?
                    1. Tuzik
                      Tuzik 9 June 2020 21: 25 New
                      -12
                      In local episodes, the leaders probably went too far, like policemen in America, but there was no purposeful destruction. In the concentration camps, Jews - in the gas chamber, the rest - to work, escaped, fucked up, work.
                      1. Alf
                        Alf 9 June 2020 21: 25 New
                        +6
                        Quote: Tuzik
                        but there was no deliberate destruction

                        Check out the Ost plan.
                      2. Tuzik
                        Tuzik 9 June 2020 21: 33 New
                        -8
                        Because of the comment about Vlasov, which has already been rubbed? No, not interesting, I better read about tanks. tongue
                    2. Serg65
                      Serg65 10 June 2020 12: 52 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Tuzik
                      In episodes in the field, the leaders probably went too far

                      Yes, and not in the field too, too much ... you don’t think, for example, Himler the leader in the field?
                      Quote: Tuzik
                      In the concentration camps, Jews - in the gas chamber

                      Burned only the Jews?
                    3. Serg65
                      Serg65 10 June 2020 13: 00 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Tuzik
                      I better read about tanks

                      Better read about Bronislaw Kaminsky!
                    4. Tuzik
                      Tuzik 10 June 2020 13: 11 New
                      -6
                      Not only of course.
                      The operator wrote: "the Germans clearly announced the elimination of the Slavs"
                      They can declare and declared, but even according to prisoners:
                      "It is known that 1,836,500 people were released from captivity and returned to their homeland, at least 180,000 more emigrated to other countries. In addition, 823,230 people were released from the camps by the Germans."
                      This is the destruction of the Slavs? Now compare with the Jews. They declared about their liquidation and proved by deed.
                    5. Serg65
                      Serg65 10 June 2020 13: 59 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Tuzik
                      even by prisoners:

                      If you take the average between the Soviet and German data, 4854350 people fell, minus 1836500 released, also minus 180000 emigrants and, accordingly 823230, we get 2014624 people who died in captivity. Now we take 5270000 hijacked to work in Germany minus 2164300 dead at these works. 2014624 + 2164300 we get 4178924 dead Soviet citizens in a foreign land .... are they all Jews ????
                      Regarding those released from the camps ..... we are talking about Soviet soldiers-natives of Western Ukraine, Western Belarus and the Baltic republics who were captured in the first month of the war. The liberation of these people was purely political in nature!
                      Quote: Tuzik
                      Now compare with the Jews

                      And let's compare with the defenders of Sevastopol? Of the 80 thousand prisoners on the rocks of Khersones, only half reached the camp near Bakhchisarai! Over 60 km. 40 thousand ways far from Jews were lost !!!
                    6. Tuzik
                      Tuzik 10 June 2020 14: 59 New
                      -3
                      The Germans in the 42nd, no longer had their skeleton, they would have left the war alive. Vlasov was probably counting on a variant of the type of the 18th year, to capture the bulk of Russia with the help of the Germans, then eventually win in the civilian, while the West and the Germans would sign an agreement like Versailles, and maybe they would help him.
                    7. Serg65
                      Serg65 10 June 2020 15: 04 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Tuzik
                      The Germans in the 42nd, no longer had their skeleton, they would have left the war alive.

                      laughing Did Hitler tell you over a beer?
                      Quote: Tuzik
                      Vlasov was probably counting on a variant of the type of the 18th year, to capture the bulk of Russia with the help of the Germans, then eventually win in the civilian, while the West and the Germans would sign an agreement like Versailles, and maybe they would help him.

                      Vlasov hoped only to save his skin .... and only !!!
                    8. Tuzik
                      Tuzik 10 June 2020 15: 07 New
                      -4
                      Why then didn’t he want to fly away from the environment on the plane? (This is written on Wiki)
                    9. Serg65
                      Serg65 11 June 2020 10: 39 New
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                      Quote: Tuzik
                      Why then didn’t he want to fly away from the environment on the plane?

                      To fall into the "clutches of the bloody gebney" for the loss of the army? And so .. raised his hands ... and then you and schnapps, and fat, and girls !!!!!
  • Avior
    Avior 9 June 2020 10: 49 New
    0
    . Commenting on the contents of the Prague Manifesto - a program document of the Congress of the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia, ... K. Alexandrov draws direct parallels of this document with the current Constitution of the Russian Federation ....

    Interesting girls are dancing.
    An unexpected turn of the plot is parallel to the Constitution of the Russian Federation with the Vlasov manifesto.
    And not only with the Constitution.
    Comrade Stalin and the Bolsheviks, in general this manifesto, fell from the Vlasovites, of course, but not only to him.

    . ... the forces of imperialism are fighting, led by the plutocrats of England and the USA; whose greatness is built on the oppression and exploitation of other countries and peoples ..... The forces of destruction and enslavement cover their criminal goals with the slogans of the defense of freedom, democracy, culture and civilization. Under the protection of freedom they understand the conquest of foreign lands. Under the protection of democracy they understand the forcible imposition of their political system on other states. Under the protection of culture and civilization, they understand the destruction of cultural monuments and civilizations created by the thousand-year-old labor of other nations .....

    Well, the goals and objectives are written out in this manifesto, of course, for all the good versus all the bad, as usual, but you do not want to be compared with today, not only with the Constitution, when reading, they all arise by themselves
    . The following main principles:

    Equality of all peoples of Russia and their valid right to national development, self-determination and state independence.
    The approval of the national labor system, in which all the interests of the state are subordinated to the tasks of raising the welfare and development of the nation.
    Preservation of peace and the establishment of friendly relations with all countries and the comprehensive development of international cooperation.
    Extensive government activities to strengthen family and marriage. Actual equality of women.
    Elimination of forced labor and providing workers with a valid right to free labor, creating their material well-being, establishing payment for all types of labor in amounts that ensure a cultural standard of living.
    Liquidation of collective farms, free transfer of land to the private property of peasants. Freedom of forms of labor land use. Free use of the products of their own labor, the abolition of forced deliveries and the destruction of debt obligations to the Soviet government.
    Establishment of inviolable private labor property. Restoring trade, crafts, handicrafts and providing private initiative with the right and opportunity to participate in the economic life of the country.
    Providing the intelligentsia with the opportunity to freely create for the benefit of their people.
    Ensuring social justice and protecting workers from all exploitation, regardless of their origin and past activities.
    An introduction for all, without exception, a valid right to free education, medical care, leisure, and old age.
    Destruction of the regime of terror and violence. Elimination of forced relocations and mass exiles. The introduction of real freedom of religion, conscience, speech, assembly, press. Guarantee of the inviolability of the person, property and home. Equality of all before the law, independence and publicity of the court.
    The liberation of political prisoners of Bolshevism and the return to their homeland from prisons and camps of all those who were repressed for the struggle against Bolshevism. There is no revenge and persecution for those who stop the struggle for Stalin and Bolshevism, regardless of whether he led it out of conviction or forcibly.
    The restoration of the public heritage destroyed during the war - cities, villages, factories and factories at the expense of the state.
    State support of war invalids and their families.

    I doubt strongly, of course, that the majority of Vlasov’s majority was very interested in this manifesto, and whether they all read it at all, but that’s the ideology that’s been used ....
  • Boris55
    Boris55 9 June 2020 10: 52 New
    +4
    On April 28, 2020, Dmitry Kiselev, in his TV program for the whole country, spoke in favor of erecting a monument to the SS man (the SS was recognized by the Nuremberg Tribunal as a criminal organization, and its members are not entitled to pardon by statute of limitations), Nazi accomplice Krasnov throughout the country and other accomplices of the Nazis. One such monument stands ... and we are indignant where the Kolisurengoy come from ...

    1. fif21
      fif21 11 June 2020 19: 21 New
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      Quote: Boris55
      One such monument stands ... and we are indignant where the Kolisurengoy come from ...

      Zhukov and Kovpak somehow do not fit into the heroes of modern Russia. The gentlemen have their own heroes - Manerheim, Krasnov, Kolchak .... Or do you still have illusions in which country we live? hi
  • vvvjak
    vvvjak 9 June 2020 10: 57 New
    +4
    The mass recruitment of Soviet troops into the ranks of the Russian Liberation Army by General Vlasov is explained by K. Alexandrov with high-order categories: responsibility for the fate of the Motherland, hatred of Bolshevism, or personal accounts with the Soviet government.

    According to this "theory", it can also be argued that Chikatilo is not a serial killer, pedophile, etc. (as described by "Soviet propaganda"). He is quite a "heroic fighter" against the Soviet "bloody regime", which deliberately sacrificed himself in order to prove to the whole world the inability of the Communist Party to protect ordinary Soviet citizens.
  • MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 9 June 2020 11: 11 New
    +7
    Vlasov, Yeltsin, Chubais - thought and acted the same ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 9 June 2020 21: 08 New
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      Quote: MstislavHrabr
      Vlasov, Yeltsin, Chubais

      After Chubais surnames can continue ...
  • 1536
    1536 9 June 2020 11: 51 New
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    Betrayal in any form is a disgusting human act. It is one thing if a person in a German concentration camp was turned into an animal, and this person, due to an inhuman situation and fear of death, went to the ranks of the ROA. This is understandable. You cannot forgive. After all, basically the Vlasovites were forced to kill communists, Jews, and only then were they accepted into the ranks of this so-called "army". They were called "baptized", baptized with the blood of the people they killed. Thus, the ROA consisted for the most part of criminals, murderers, outright nonhumans.
    But another thing is when a person begins to urge to kill for some ideological reasons. Becomes a professional killer, a mentally disabled person. There were a minority of such in the ROA, but they determined the policy of this organization. They were KONR (Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia), where the priest Alexander Kiselev set the ideological tone (his biography is remarkable). It is the words from his "manifesto" that underlie the whitewashing of betrayal and the existence of the ROA in our time:
    Kiselev stated: "You, deeply revered General Andrei Andreevich, you, members of the Committee for the Salvation of the Peoples of Russia and all of us, ordinary workers of our great and long-suffering people, will unanimously and bravely take on the holy cause of saving the Fatherland."
    When there are such "saviors" and the German occupation is not necessary. The enemies of the Russian people took advantage of these developments of the Vlasovites in the future, destroying in it, in fact, the dream of a bright future, replacing it with the dream of sausage, money, a jeep on which you can kill if you are a famous person and you have a lot of money. This is what Vlasov's ideology is, when the minority imposes base thoughts on the majority and indulges base passions.
    Tired of them, she was more ...
  • RMT
    RMT 9 June 2020 12: 41 New
    +3
    The photo for the article depicts from left to right: A.A. Vlasov, head of the main propaganda department of KONR G.N. Zhilenkov, SS Obergruppenfuhrer V. Krueger, Reich Minister Minister J. Goebbels. Who knows why Vlasov’s tunic without insignia? And Zhilenko with epaulets, buttonholes, chevrons?
  • iouris
    iouris 9 June 2020 12: 50 New
    +4
    Dismantling the USSR ("geopolitical catastrophe"), degradation of the social sphere, surrender of republics and allies for indefinite use to a geopolitical adversary, establishment of a "new" financial and economic order ensuring "containment of Russia" - this is "rehabilitation".
  • akunin
    akunin 9 June 2020 15: 10 New
    +5
    Thus, the activities of such "historians" are detrimental to the constitutional order, creating the conditions for the further whitening and glorification of Nazi collaborators.
    how? if my grandfather fought, my son knows who his great-grandfathers fought for, and I hope the grandson will also know (now small). Most of our citizens have ancestors fought on our side. sent. This brain physician has an effect on those who dodge, who have not been instilled with a concept.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 9 June 2020 16: 47 New
    +3
    Quote: Million
    For some reason, no one in the USSR tried to rehabilitate traitors, and only with a market economy began ...

    The question, as they say, is in the top ten. It was precisely these marketers that maintained and still maintain such publications, and I think this will continue to be so.
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 10 June 2020 07: 45 New
    +4
    "K. Aleksandrov persistently invites the reader to take their place, to understand and accept the choice,"
    Yes, I do not want to take their place. Neither Vlasov, nor Zhilenkov, nor Bunyachenko were repressed by any of their relatives. In addition, Vlasov and Zhilenkov successfully advanced in the Red Army through the ranks, were members of the CPSU (b), and Vlasov was on a business trip abroad in China and had government awards. Among the pilots of the Vlasov army was even a Hero of the Soviet Union. This is also how they offended them ?! Generals Muzychenko and Karbyshev did not betray. But Karbyshev was still a general of the tsarist army. General Muzychenko, after being released from the concentration camp and checked in the filtration camp in the USSR, was reinstated in the rank, he was returned the awards and party experience.
    Together with K Aleksandrov, two more brothers of the same Tereshchuk are working. I watched episode 92 of their "documentary" film World War II.
  • slasha
    slasha 10 June 2020 12: 38 New
    +1
    He is not a corrupt scribbler. He sensitively captures the current situation ...
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 10 June 2020 23: 01 New
    +1
    My personal opinion is that I am a citizen of this country. I obey the laws and pay taxes. I don’t even want to hear about any kind of “rehabilitation” of the traitors of my country. My grandfather fought.
  • fif21
    fif21 11 June 2020 19: 05 New
    +2
    For me - born in the USSR - Vlasovites, Bandera were, and remain traitors, and enemies of the people's power. I think the same traitors are those who betrayed the interests of the people and threw the country at the feet of world capitalism, turning it into a raw materials appendage of the West. hi
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 14 June 2020 17: 47 New
    0
    I agree with Aleksandrov only in one thing: collaboration of the Great Patriotic War is an echo of the civil war. Moreover, I believe that today's civil wars (in Ukraine explicit, and in Russia and the former republics of the USSR implicit) are rooted in that civil war of 1917-1922.
    In all other respects I strongly disagree with Aleksandrov, I consider him to be as much a collaborator as all the traitors of the Great Patriotic War. Only modern.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 18 June 2020 22: 07 New
    -1
    And what have we got about the article "rehabilitation of Nazism"? Why isn't this goldfinch behind bars yet?