Rifle DXL-5. Shot seven kilometers?


Rifle SVLK-14C "Sumrak" - holder of a range record of 4,2 km


Russian armory KB Integrated Systems (KBIS) continues to work on ultra-long-range high-precision rifles. Products of this company have already shown the possibility of firing at 4,2 km during the day and 1,9 km at night. Now a promising rifle complex is being created, the maximum range of which will reach the level of 6-7 km.

By the beginning of next year


The founder and head of the KBIS / Lobaev Arms Vladislav Lobaev said in an interview for RIA about the existence of a new project Newspublished June 5th. Talking about new developments and their advantages over existing samples, he mentioned a project with the preliminary name DXL-5. It is a continuation of the already well-known family, which includes the DXL-3 "Retribution" and the DXL-4 "Sevastopol" rifles.

As part of the DXL-5 project, an independent development of the rifle complex in the form of a rifle and a new cartridge is underway. Its maximum firing range will reach 6-7 km. Range of confident shooting - 3 km. Rifle systems with such characteristics are not yet available on the world market.

The technical features of the promising rifle were not disclosed; the same was true for the new cartridge. At the same time, V. Lobaev noted that the ammunition under the DXL-5 will have increased dimensions and show an increased initial bullet speed. In these parameters, it will surpass all ammunition used by Lobaev Arms brand rifles.


Possible dates of the appearance of the finished complex are named. It could have appeared only a few months later, not later than the fall - however, the pandemic and the problems associated with it make us reconsider our plans. The "premiere" of the new weapon is shifted to the beginning of 2021

New Details


On June 7, a new interview was published with V. Lobaev for the WarGonzo project. This time, the tactical and technical characteristics of the cartridge, as well as the entire complex, were raised. So, now we are considering several options for a cartridge with a different caliber and other characteristics. By the end of the year, factory tests will be completed, the results of which will determine the final appearance of the complex.

The main feature of the new cartridge will be improved energy performance. V. Lobaev recalled that the existing .408 CheyTac rifles are capable of penetrating body armor of the 6th protection class from a distance of 300 m - some variants of bullets retain such penetration over twice as long. A promising cartridge from KBIS on armor penetration will be about one and a half times better.

In terms of bullet speed and penetration characteristics, the new ammunition will surpass serial large-caliber products of 12,7 x 99 mm and 12,7 x 108 mm. Will he be able to compete with a more powerful 14,5 x 114 mm - will have to be installed during the tests.


Retribution DXL-3, another representative of the high-precision family from CBIS

A serious task is the selection of sighting devices. When shooting at 4,2 km, a March sight with a magnification of 80x was used - this product allowed effective fire on a 1x1 m shield. When increasing the range to 6-7 km, a sight up to 100 x is needed. Features of night optics for such tasks are not specified.

Rifle question


The technical appearance of the promising complex was not disclosed, but some assumptions can be made. Apparently, the new project will continue the development of ideas already tested during the creation of previous rifles. These decisions passed the necessary test and even led to record highs.

The last 4,2 km range record was set with the SVLK-14S Sumrak rifle. It is a single-shot high-precision weapon with manual reloading, produced under the ammunition of three types. Through the use of certain materials, technologies and design solutions, high accuracy and accuracy of the battle is ensured. The effective range is defined as 2,5 km or more, with the proper organization of firing.

It can be assumed that, from the point of view of the general architecture, the promising DXL-5 will not differ from Dusk or other long-range products of Lobaev Arms. We should expect the use of a traditional layout with a developed tubular receiver, hung with a rifled barrel of large relative length (caliber unknown) and a longitudinally-sliding shutter. Mandatory presence of a muzzle brake, compensating for the power of the cartridge.


SVLK-14C receives an aluminum receiver with a steel barrel and bolt. In addition, due to the increased power of the cartridges used, a reinforced bed is used. It is likely that the DXL-5 project uses the same approaches to ensure structural strength.

The DXL-5 complex, having higher energy performance, should have increased strength, which can be obtained at the cost of mass growth. “Dusk” without sight and other equipment weighs almost 10 kg, and the new rifle should be even heavier.

Cartridge specifics


Little is known about the ammunition for the DXL-5, but the announced data is of interest. Approximate ranges of individual characteristics are named, which now allows us to evaluate the capabilities of the entire complex.

It is alleged that the new cartridge in terms of bullet speed and other parameters will surpass the existing serial .408 CheyTac and 12,7 mm ammunition. For comparison, the product .408, depending on the type of bullet, gives an initial speed of 1100 m / s with a muzzle energy of more than 11 kJ. The NATO 12,7 x 99 mm and the Russian 12,7 x 108 mm are inferior to it in speed (no more than 850-950 m / s), but give energy up to 18-20 kJ.


DXL-4 "Sevastopol"

All this allows us to provide approximate characteristics of the new cartridge from CBIS. It should provide an initial speed of more than 1100 m / s and an energy of at least 15-17 kJ. The caliber remains unknown. Perhaps a pointed bullet with a diameter of 10-12 mm will be used.

Organizational Challenges


As before, the development company will conduct a full cycle of weapons testing, including with the definition of its maximum characteristics. In the latter case, shooting will take place at the indicated 6-7 km. Obviously, the organization and implementation of such firing will be a particularly difficult task, which confirms the experience of previous records.

First of all, for a new record, a landfill of appropriate sizes is needed. Also, optical means are needed that can provide observation, guidance and fixing of the results of firing at specified ranges - sight, telescopes, etc.

Of particular difficulty is the calculation of data for shooting. So, when firing from the "Dusk" at 4,2 km the bullet flew along a ballistic trajectory several hundred meters high; her path to the goal took 13 seconds. At this time, she was exposed to various internal and external factors. With an increase in the firing range, despite the increase in speed and energy, the situation will not fundamentally change - shooting and offset shots will again become a particularly difficult task.

Rifle DXL-5. Shot seven kilometers?

Ammo 12,7x99 NATO (left) and .408 CheyTac

However, the KBIS company has experience in such conditions. There is hardly any doubt about the possibility of setting a new record. The question is only the duration of preparation and the number of required shots to obtain stable record results.

Practical value


During the tests, the new DXL-5 rifle will be tested at different ranges, up to the limit. This will lead to a new record, and will also be an excellent advertisement for a promising shooting complex. However, the possibility of hitting targets at such distances will not be its only advantage.

At the training ground, it is quite possible to organize and execute a successful shot of 6 km or more. However, in a real battle, a situation with such range requirements is unlikely, and in addition, it is rarely possible to fully organize such a complex shot. However, this does not reduce the potential of a promising rifle.

For DXL-5 confident shooting at ranges of approx. 3 km. In this parameter, the rifle will surpass other modern models of domestic and foreign development. A promising cartridge with improved energy will show an increase in effective range and higher penetration characteristics. Accordingly, the DXL-5 complex will be able to fight with protected targets - at greater distances than other samples.

Thus, the main value of the developed weapon is not in simple kilometers of distance or joules of muzzle energy. A rifle complex is being created with a large margin of basic characteristics that covers all real or expected battlefield requirements. The advantages of such weapons are obvious.

Now KBIS will have to complete development work, select all the components of the complex, bring it to the test, and then make record shots. Due to known events, the DXL-5 work schedule has moved forward by several months, but the project has not been stopped. Real results will be by the beginning of next year - there is little to wait.
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  1. Deck 9 June 2020 05: 47 New
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    No, well, I understand everything, times are difficult. But how much can this jeans be?
    1. I have a comment from the editors for such questions. I also disgust the practice, when at first the NEWS is reported, and after some time the same news is presented in an “expanded” form.
    2. Leomobil 10 June 2020 18: 57 New
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      Laurels "Ilona Mask" strangle a turner self-taught with a diploma of philosopher. I want money so much that the boundaries of the rational have already been passed, and the worst thing is that he believes in it. Not true! He believes in this nonsense!
  2. Kot_Kuzya 9 June 2020 06: 04 New
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    All these firing at 2 km or more have nothing to do with the military theme. This is pure sport. In a real combat situation no one will shoot from a rifle for 2 km or more, it is easier and more efficient to cover a target with a mortar, howitzer or grenade launcher.
    1. Deck 9 June 2020 06: 19 New
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      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      This is pure sport.

      There is also a question. At competitions, Lobaev rifles are rare and not prize-winners.
      1. private person 9 June 2020 11: 24 New
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        This is pure sport.

        There is also a question. At competitions, Lobaev rifles are rare and not prize-winners.


        This probably means sport as a competition between manufacturers of this type of weapon. Who will make long-range and more accurate.
        1. Deck 9 June 2020 12: 58 New
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          This refers to sport as a competition between shooters, amateurs or professionals.
        2. blackice 10 June 2020 08: 46 New
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          In 2015, Vladislav Lobaev set a record for firing range of 3200 m. To establish a record, the Lobaev Arms SVLK-14 rifle Dusk in .408 CheyTac caliber was used.

          October 3, 2017 from the SVLK-14 "Twilight" rifle, a world record was set for the range of an accurate shot. At a range of 4210 meters, the Russian shooter Andrei Ryabinsky hit a square target 1 × 1 meter in size [29].

          On November 26, 2019, Russian Sergei Shmakov set a new world record for the night shot range. The shooter laid a group of five shots at a 60 × 60 cm target. The range to the target was 2000 meters. Passive night optics (without backlight) was used [30].

          To establish a record, a completely Russian rifle complex was used as part of the SVLK-14 "Twilight" sniper rifle from Lobaev Arms and the Daedalus night sight. The SVLK-14 “Dusk” rifle was in .408 CheyTac caliber (10,3 mm)

          And if you look at the history of production and for whom and what it produces, it will immediately become clear what kind of “sport” its products are involved in.
          1. DDZ57 10 June 2020 11: 24 New
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            But don’t write that the results were obtained with the presence of a spotter in the target area, how many days they caught the weather and how many sighting shots were.
            1. DDZ57 10 June 2020 12: 14 New
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              And what was the contrast of the target against the background of the area, how the contrast was ensured at night.
              1. Leomobil 10 June 2020 19: 15 New
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                I’ll tell you a secret - "at night, all" arrows are "sulfur" wink the main thing that would "bark" at the same time lol
            2. blackice 11 June 2020 03: 32 New
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              Someone wrote about the greatness of the sniper deuce in work?
              Read it carefully again, and then draw conclusions.
              It was about the Alabaev line of goods and what it was for.
    2. Nikolaevich I 9 June 2020 06: 38 New
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      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      All these firing at 2 km or more have nothing to do with the military theme. This is pure sport. In a real combat situation no one will shoot from a rifle for 2 km or more,

      In ipakckom gopode Mocule, kanadcky cnaypep of podpazdeleniya cpetsialnogo naznacheniya Joint Task Force 2 tochnym vyctpelom unichtozhil one sort of boevikov LIH (teppopicticheckaya opganizatsiya, zappeschonnaya in Poccii, ctpanax CHG and Evpopy) atakovavshix coldat ipakckoy apmii. It is noteworthy in this story that the shot was taken a little more than 2 miles from a distance, and From 540 meters!It is only known that the sniper used the McMillan TAC-50 rifle with an ammunition of .50 BMG (12,7 × 99 mm); At the same time, the shooter produced a strong de-modulating effect on the temperature and in fact, it interfered - they activated the fenders in the rear["Combat" a sniper shot was installed in 2009 in Afghanistan, in the Muca-Kala area. Then the corporation Craig Xappion sniper special clearance from the Great Britain, shot from the McMillan TAC-50 eliminated 2 Taliban machine guns 2 475 meters
      1. Kot_Kuzya 9 June 2020 06: 46 New
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        PR Anglo-Saxons. The phrase was especially amusing.
        . . In this case, the shooter produced a strong demoralizing effect on the temperatures and in fact, it caused the occurrence of

        Indeed, very "militant" fighters, if one killed thwarted their attack. In the film "Rzhev" the Germans at least had an uber weapon in the form of 81 mm mortars.
        1. Avior 9 June 2020 06: 59 New
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          Just wondering if the militants were planning to launch an attack from a distance of 3500 meters?
        2. Vladimir61 9 June 2020 07: 22 New
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          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          Indeed, very "militant" fighters, if one killed thwarted their attack.

          Yeah! They, like in the movies, sometimes spirits without stopping at the six-barrel "Microgan", then suddenly run up, from an accurate shot of the North American super-warriors.
          Interestingly, both striped and maple, with angelic infallibility, impose a version of the "confirmed shot". By whom? "Jehovah's Witnesses" or the spiritual forensic expert took out a bullet - with the stigma of "KK"?
          American tales in the spirit of "Rambo" and "Headless Horseman"!
          1. cat Rusich 10 June 2020 23: 56 New
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            Mine Reed "Headless Horseman" - the stigma on the pool - KKK - captain Cassius Kolhaun.
      2. Kalmar 9 June 2020 11: 15 New
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        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        It is most noteworthy in this story that the shot was a little over 2 miles away, and the name was 540 XNUMX meters!

        Overall impressive! But, as always, the details are interesting:
        1. What was the success of the shot? The previous record holder, as far as I know, indicated that he only got from the eighth shot or so.
        2. How was the hit recorded? The sniper banged, and in 3.5 km someone fell? I’m not sure that from the position of the sniper himself you can see who exactly got into the sufferer.
        3. Are there any statistics on successful / unsuccessful shots at such long distances? There is a feeling that the banal factor of luck will be too important here.
        1. Nikolaevich I 9 June 2020 13: 12 New
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          Well, remember that you did not conduct a judicial investigation and scientific and technical research involving international organizations and leading experts in the world! The purpose of the comment was to indicate the available facts ... just! request
          1. Kalmar 9 June 2020 13: 35 New
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            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Well, remember that you did not conduct a judicial investigation and scientific and technical research involving international organizations and leading experts in the world! The purpose of the comment was to indicate the available facts ... just!

            I have no complaints, I just wanted to note that the devil is, as you know, in the details. And there is a very big difference between "Snipers steadily knock down targets at ranges of 2.5 - 3 km" и "Some snipers sometimes manage to get into something (like) from 3 km from the Nth shot".
    3. Old tanker 9 June 2020 06: 41 New
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      From a grenade launcher, the maximum firing range will not allow. Even from automatic. And the rest you are right.
      1. Kot_Kuzya 9 June 2020 08: 09 New
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        The sighting range of the SPG-9 fragmentation grenade is 4500 meters.
    4. V.I.P. 9 June 2020 08: 21 New
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      The US Special Operations Command selects a machine gun (with a sight and silencer) to meet the requirements for effective firing at 2500 m. The SIG Sauer MG 338 meets these requirements and goes to the test units. (against the background of competitors, I think, they will accept him) ...
      Why do you think a rifle with a range of more than 2 km is not related to the military commissar?
      1. DDZ57 9 June 2020 08: 47 New
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        1. The new LMG-M should provide effective fire at distances of 1900-2500 m, but not specifically 2,5km.
        2. These requirements can be fulfilled only by a complex - a machine gun, a cartridge, an aiming and measuring device. And they have all this - almost mass-produced. The machine gun fires and confirms the required performance characteristics.
        Name what of the proposed Lobaev produced in the Russian Federation in series. If for a good cartridge in the Russian Federation there is no gunpowder, capsule, brass on a sleeve, a bullet and a sleeve with the required parameters for accuracy, they cannot be manufactured - ask the experts.
        1. V.I.P. 9 June 2020 11: 34 New
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          Yes, I know that .. Maybe they will start, someday)) ... So, our gunpowder is worse than Western, therefore solid-fuel rockets are gigantic in comparison with Western ones ...
        2. Kalmar 9 June 2020 11: 53 New
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          Quote: DDZ57
          1. The new LMG-M should provide effective fire at distances of 1900-2500 m, but not specifically 2,5km.

          I will add that the machine gun fires bursts, partially compensating for the dispersion of a large number of shots. Well, the goals at such distances, I think, will be group, not single.
      2. dokusib 10 June 2020 10: 21 New
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        Do not confuse the effective firing range and aiming. These are different things. The effective range is the distance at which the bullet retains its lethal energy. That in the conditions of the infantry unit using automatic weapons allows you to create a high density of fire at a much greater distance. And the aiming range is the distance at which the shooter can confidently hit the target.
    5. pmkemcity 9 June 2020 12: 31 New
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      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      All these firing at 2 km or more have nothing to do with the military theme. This is pure sport. In a real combat situation no one will shoot from a rifle for 2 km or more, it is easier and more efficient to cover a target with a mortar, howitzer or grenade launcher.

      Why should the pool be wasted in vain?

      A musical pause, comrade Krause ...
    6. AUL
      AUL 9 June 2020 13: 17 New
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      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      All these firing at 2 km or more have nothing to do with the military theme.

      In fact, rifles of this class are called antimaterial. That is, work from them is supposed not by manpower, but by radar, rocket launchers, communication centers, etc. The DRG will not drag a mortar with itself, but with the help of such a rifle to do dirty tricks - that's it!
  3. Avior 9 June 2020 06: 32 New
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    I do not see the application, except for advertising the manufacturer.
    And even that is a moot point, with this approach you can get into some kind of anti-rating of the most useless inventions
  4. Nikolaevich I 9 June 2020 06: 54 New
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    "Is there life on Mars .... is there life on Mars ... this science is not known for certain!" Surprised by the range of "sniper" shooting for several kilometers (they say, why is this necessary?), Or proving that it is ... "to nothing, there is no sense in this", up to "this is impossible!" , many probably confuse the "plug with the bottle" (!); that is, they "stop distinguishing" confident range firing and record range...! "Record range" is, indeed, sport and advertising (!) ... but, confident range ... "come in handy" for live shooting!
    1. Avior 9 June 2020 07: 05 New
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      For small arms, I know the actual or effective range.
      And in relation to this rifle, you still need to distinguish between a range of moving and stationary targets.
      1. Nikolaevich I 9 June 2020 07: 44 New
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        Quote: Avior
        For small arms, I know the actual or effective range.

        Well, in this case, the same subject, but not "in Latin"! We use the terminology "from Lobaev" ...
        1. Avior 9 June 2020 08: 37 New
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          Maybe the same, or maybe not the same.
          You never know what he puts in the term, what are the values ​​of scattering and other things.
          In technology, terminology and so on is standardized so that it can be compared and evaluated.
          And he has a clear advertisement.
          The thing is also necessary, I do not argue.
          smile
  5. rocket757 9 June 2020 06: 59 New
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    Higher, farther, stronger, faster .... this is also necessary, sometimes.
    1. Nikolaevich I 9 June 2020 07: 49 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Higher, farther, stronger, faster .... so too, sometimes

      And the developers have become more modest! Not so long ago, conversations were held in the district "reactive controlled pool with a range of up to 10 (!) Km ..."!
      1. rocket757 9 June 2020 07: 56 New
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        Perhaps they don’t want to give denyushki to empty projects ... a boom by realists, there will be more sense.
  6. DDZ57 9 June 2020 07: 21 New
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    The process of creating the next Russian miracle: finally, they probably made the promised cartridge from the beginning. bullet speed up to 2000m / s. The miracle workers are the same.
    https://topwar.ru/150236-giperzvukovoj-patron-jeffektivno-no-slozhno.html
    Hypersonic cartridge: effective, but difficult. November 26, 2018. Ryabov Kirill.
    1. abrakadabre 9 June 2020 08: 24 New
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      The process of creating another Russian miracle:
      Russian ?! The company has long gone beyond the hill. It was Russian. Not now.
      1. DDZ57 9 June 2020 08: 26 New
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        When for a long time?
        Last year I was on A2019 and was positioned as from the Russian Federation.
        And now: Russia, Kaluga region, Tarusa, Lenin street, 61
        1. abrakadabre 9 June 2020 08: 32 New
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          Has it really returned back? They seem to have been moving abroad for successful business on the whole planet for several years. And the design component, and production. Even here there was somehow information about this.
          I don’t argue, I could be wrong. Since I do not closely follow them.
  7. Undecim 9 June 2020 07: 29 New
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    During the tests, the new DXL-5 rifle will be tested at different ranges, up to the limit. This will lead to a new record, and will also be an excellent advertisement for a promising shooting complex.
    The only paragraph in the article containing useful information.
  8. sleeve 9 June 2020 08: 17 New
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    In general, beauty. Desert, steppe, mountains, city. Locations for sea use. "Long arm" with cheap compared to artillery or ATGM ammunition. Terror will not get if the ammunition is tightly controlled. In which the know-how will be like a flea in a dog. But the terror itself will get straight normally. With a 7 km record of 2-2,5 km, the average distance for a special sniper. Amen.
    1. bk0010 9 June 2020 10: 01 New
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      Quote: sleeve
      Desert, steppe, mountains, city. Locations for sea use.
      You only need to ask the target to stand still for half a minute, until the bullet reaches.
      1. sleeve 9 June 2020 15: 20 New
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        Radar antennas, launchers ... It’s all without demand. As well as automotive technology ... in the parking lot. The question is perhaps not 100% of the effectiveness of the defeat, but the availability of such a possibility. 7 km is borsch of course, but I repeat that it will move working distances away. And that means that the “bearded” camp may be under fire from a comfortable distance, losing communications, standing cars, fuel, etc. The thing is, of course, deeply specific, but there are ways to use it. The caliber I think is not 12,7. Maneuverability is already good.
    2. dokusib 10 June 2020 10: 42 New
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      What kind of know-how is there, Whose So is inflated to a machine-gun case from CORD or (more likely) KPVT. There, the ratio of the diameter to the length of the bullet for a high-precision long-range is different. The bullet is more elongated.
      1. sleeve 10 June 2020 10: 51 New
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        I read somewhere about the feathered smoothbore. Maybe they’re not going to “twist” at such a range? And what? Subcaliber arrow ... And you can disperse more. Calculate the mass line and bang bang.
        1. dokusib 10 June 2020 11: 59 New
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          Not real. It is not possible to achieve 100% symmetry in shape and weight distribution. The bullet flies for several seconds during this time, not stabilized by rotation, will fall off the trajectory. They are made longer to compensate for yaw due to a lack of manufacturing technology. Look for the same "Twilight" cartridges specially selected from a large batch. But there probably the weight of the bullet and the weight of gunpowder are guided.
          1. sleeve 10 June 2020 14: 57 New
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            A bullet, in quotation marks, naturally, there will be a drop or better spindle from a light composite. Cowl. Inside the punch element is displaced along the motion vector. The shank is just a thread. Meters so with 700 per second. Although nonsense of course. To confuse with materials. Yes, and have to disperse faster. Rave.
            1. dokusib 10 June 2020 17: 26 New
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              So. 408 CheyTac is almost spindle-shaped. She has a ratio of 1:10 to diameter and a solid monolith made of copper alloy. The bullet has a very high speed and loses it more slowly than the same fifty BMG. And at the limit for it, 3-3,5 km has more kinetic energy. Lobaev did not invent anything new. Just threw a bullet at 4 with a hook km. How this happened, you can search for videos. Looks like a circus. Pure sport without practical benefit. At seven kilometers, they’ll probably just draw a two-meter circle on the ground and put the spotter gunner next to him.
  9. Ilya Nikitich 9 June 2020 09: 56 New
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    7 kilometers? Screech ...
  10. DDZ57 9 June 2020 11: 06 New
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    The woman is probably not a specialist in shooting, but she understands that this cannot be, because it cannot be.
    Records, snipers, etc. What are we talking about.
    Another Russian steepness, memory of ancestors, mountains of corpses. But whose.
    All this has already passed.
    Again, someone wants to repeat, but now the result is more predictable.
  11. KSVK 9 June 2020 11: 16 New
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    Quote: Ilya Nikitich
    7 kilometers? Screech ...


    My dear, before you re-post nonsense, you have at least a little understanding of the issue. A bullet is not a laser beam. And in a straight line does not fly. So it is that our slimy x54th cartridge will easily throw a bullet at a kilo and a half. The main thing is to make him throw the bullet in the place chosen by the shooter. And in your opinion, the guns also do not shoot further than 4,7 km? wassat
    1. DDZ57 9 June 2020 11: 36 New
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      The bullet flies along a ballistic trajectory (almost a parabola), and the aiming goes along the optical sight, i.e. in a straight line (so it will be visible in the sight behind the horizon, but everything is possible if the target is slightly raised, because crocodiles also fly, well, and in humans the flight of thoughts (fantasies) is unlimited).
      Guns outside the direct range shoot at instruments (with the installation of angles) and preferably with a spotter. So the woman is right.
      Throw this one, and get it another.
      Throw masters in the Russian Federation, but only what comes of it, i.e. what is the result?
      1. Bad_gr 9 June 2020 12: 42 New
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        Quote: DDZ57
        but everything is possible if the target is slightly raised, because crocodiles also fly, well, and in humans the flight of thoughts (fantasies) is unlimited).

        And to assume that the shooter can shoot from a tall building, a mountain? Another question is that getting from such a distance is hardly possible.
      2. sleeve 9 June 2020 15: 22 New
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        That is, if I'm on a mountain and the distance to the target by the hypotenuse is 7 km, then I can’t shoot because the horizon? Has the world suddenly become two-dimensional?
        1. DDZ57 10 June 2020 11: 12 New
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          You try to shoot at least 3km. Look at the sight (at least in Schmidt & Bender and look at the Russian sight), what you will see in the sights at this range and how the sighting mark covers the target with a 2x1m dimension at this range. See how the target is visible on any background and into the target in disguise. See how at this range you can see through a little haze, dust, etc.
          How they influence the possibility of detection of upward flows (evaporation) from the earth. Not from a good life they put anti-tape tapes on a rifle. And there are still a bunch of factors.
          Try to look at the target at a distance of 1 km at night with an image intensifier or a bolometer, I'm not talking about shooting at night at this range.
          And only after that we can talk about shooting can be at a distance of 5 km, but not like 7 km.
          Has the world suddenly become two-dimensional?

          The world is not two-dimensional, but three-dimensional, like three-dimensional and weather profile in the shooting sector. Calculate at what height the top of the trajectory will be and look at the distribution of the values ​​and directions of the wind by altitude, temperature, pressure, humidity.
          And if you go to shoot from a hill, a house, a mountain, then ask the gunners how much time and shells they need to hit the target according to the targeted landmarks, if there are specialists from the AIR (sound technicians - who have a sound certificate for this rifle in the computer library and the computer itself will give target designation to the battery comp) gave the control unit for this landmark.
          In addition to the three-dimensionality of space, there is also a time factor.
          About shooting in the mountains, even at 3 km range, I am completely silent.
          In order to understand how the bullet is chatting on the flight path, fly along the gorge by helicopter and see how it is thrown up and down, to the right or left by air currents depending on the illumination of different parts of the mountain surface (covered with shrubs or bare), the river flowing into the gorge changes the flow of air, etc. See how the helicopter sausages at the gorge junction ...
          See which pillar of dust the muzzle will raise when shooting in the desert.
          And the magazine is no longer obtained as Murzilka, but as a Crocodile, but a topic from the cycle that you don’t need to do, and if you want to do this, do it for your hard-earned money ... etc.
          1. sleeve 10 June 2020 11: 17 New
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            Hmm ... The set of phrases is correct. I will not argue. It was the same with a hammer 5000 years ago. "There is no handle. Try using a stone to hit a wooden hit with a stone. What iron beat ?! Copper is around!" That's why she is a novation, to a new one. Well, personally. At 2 km I will not even try. No skill. ABOUT! There, with a hammer, skill was also needed.
          2. sleeve 10 June 2020 11: 23 New
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            And by the way, about the reticle, you’re right in vain. 21 century in the yard. I have a biologist friend who spoke about nanoscopes on a microscope. Disobey right
            1. DDZ57 10 June 2020 12: 03 New
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              And by the way, about the reticle, you’re right in vain.

              Not in vain.
              I didn’t see nanoscopes in the microscope, and I regularly look at the aiming marks of Zeiss, Schmitt and Knight.
              A set of phrases from me was obtained by myself and tested by myself.
              That's why she is a novation, to a new one.

              But only in the novation of shooting at 7 km is there a set of words.
      3. Ilya Nikitich 9 June 2020 20: 14 New
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        So the woman is right.

        Comrade, you apparently didn’t very carefully read the tweets of Kira YarMysh. Or did you study with her in the same group? Although judging by
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        Throw masters in the Russian Federation, but only what comes of it, i.e. what is the result?

        you studied at the "grave" ...
        1. DDZ57 10 June 2020 11: 22 New
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          It is better to study with a literate young woman than with ... ..
          And in the "grave digger" in 1937. drove my grandfather, it seems your ancestors (judging by your nickname).
          Mediocrity and loafers crushed lice. And those who were literate and capable, had their own point of view, worked or forced to work, they were pressed, they were denounced, branded at meetings, etc. and they were not considered people.
          So you are a worthy descendant, a wearer, proud of your ancestors, and continue to crush, kill, etc. lice, i.e. of people.
          1. Ilya Nikitich 10 June 2020 12: 05 New
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            Quote: DDZ57
            Better to study with a literate young woman than with

            That's for sure. Judging by Kira’s tweet, the mouse is super-literate (it doesn’t hold the olesha oval).
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            (judging by your nickname).

            And what's wrong with my nickname? In general, judging by your nickname, you are a cousin of C3PO and R2D2.
            And yes, I'm proud of my ancestors. And about
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            weevil, be proud of your ancestors, and continue to crush, kill, etc. lice, i.e. of people.

            Change the training manual already.
    2. Ilya Nikitich 9 June 2020 20: 09 New
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      Gentlemen, why are you so excited then? Or, without the remark “irony” or “humor”, is it not clear what it is?
      By the way, if someone doesn’t know, Kira YarMysh is a full-time press secretary of the novice, a graduate of MGIMO and the winner of “Clever and Clever”.
  12. Free wind 9 June 2020 11: 24 New
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    I already wrote it. Worldwide, the specifications of the new product and everything else are kept secret. They showed a new product that interested buyers, you get good money, while your competitors catch up. And then what kind of “slokhod“ Slamanskiy ”? Yes, I’ll soon be shooting for twenty kilometers. Soon I’ll start testing .. Just give me the money.
  13. Ingenegr 9 June 2020 11: 47 New
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    In terms of bullet speed and penetration characteristics, the new ammunition will surpass serial large-caliber products of 12,7 x 99 mm and 12,7 x 108 mm.

    Breakdown characteristics do not exist. There is a piercing action of a bullet. And Lobaev Arms whole-shot bullets make barriers solely due to the relatively high specific energy values. They will not be able to get closer to the penetrating action of bullets with armor-piercing cores of the .50th caliber - different physics of the process of breaking through a solid obstacle does not play in favor of a turned bullet from a relatively soft material. Concerning
    Will he be able to compete with a more powerful 14,5 x 114 mm - will have to be installed during the tests.

    nothing will have to be established during the tests due to the obviousness of the result.
    Mandatory presence of a muzzle brake, compensating for the power of the cartridge.

    The muzzle brake does not "compensate for the power of the cartridge." It reduces the recoil force of the weapon during the aftereffect.
    Thus, the main value of the developed weapon is not in simple kilometers of distance or joules of muzzle energy. A rifle complex is being created with a large margin of basic characteristics that covers all real or expected battlefield requirements.

    Stock is good and right. In this case, the range margin, but not at all according to the "main characteristics". In this case, the criterion of "necessary - not necessary" will be the economic effect - and here questions may arise.
    I would like to spend time on the study of terminology for the author and catch up a little with regard to the technical analysis of information. Still, I do not want to believe that the level of this site is only slightly higher than the Murzilka magazine.
    1. sleeve 9 June 2020 15: 29 New
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      Beautifully reasoning. The breathtaking. Threw out first a dictionary of synonyms. Since writing dry in techno means and we will not compensate for the power of the cartridge, but only the return. Well, of course I agree with you on punching calculations. You have the “material” of a bullet cartridge in your hands, I understand correctly? Since you confidently come to conclusions by reading only the “Wishlist” of the project. I used to remember and denied electricity ... Well, then the truth is yours, the nuances are full. And in vain this poster about 7km hung out. It’s going to start play-play about length-width.
  14. KSVK 9 June 2020 12: 08 New
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    Quote: DDZ57
    but everything is possible if the target is slightly raised

    You can raise the arrow. With the same result.
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    So the woman is right.

    If you carefully read what is written, and not what you want to see, then the woman appears “the only rifle with a curved bullet flight”, and not the aiming line.
  15. KSVK 9 June 2020 12: 28 New
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    Quote: Ingenegr
    In terms of bullet speed and penetration characteristics, the new ammunition will surpass serial large-caliber products of 12,7 x 99 mm and 12,7 x 108 mm.

    Breakdown characteristics do not exist. There is a piercing action of a bullet. And Lobaev Arms whole-shot bullets make barriers solely due to the relatively high specific energy values. They will not be able to get closer to the penetrating action of bullets with armor-piercing cores of the .50th caliber - different physics of the process of breaking through a solid obstacle does not play in favor of a turned bullet from a relatively soft material. Concerning
    Will he be able to compete with a more powerful 14,5 x 114 mm - will have to be installed during the tests.

    nothing will have to be established during the tests due to the obviousness of the result.


    I allow myself to disagree with you in the context of the voiced distances. Here, of course, you need to understand WHAT We will “flash” it, but a bullet-proof (from some soft alloy) bullet will be heavier than a bullet with a steel core. And it will have a much larger ballistic coefficient. So at a certain distance will bring more energy. Undoubtedly, at a certain range of distances, a bullet with a steel core will outperform the whole armored penetration. But if we shoot at the torso in a bronik, it’s not necessary to break through this bronik. It will be enough to hit the target, with sufficient energy, and that under the armor will turn into mincemeat, even if the integrity of the body armor itself is preserved. Well and still, at the indicated ranges the bullet will go at subsonic speed and the material of manufacture of the bullet itself will no longer play a decisive role.
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    Still, I do not want to believe that the level of this site is only slightly higher than the Murzilka magazine.

    Here I completely agree. yes
  16. SOUTH, 9 June 2020 16: 48 New
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    It remains to adjust the recoil device to compensate for the charge power and already a sniper gun, not a rifle.
  17. voyaka uh 10 June 2020 15: 36 New
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    This is no longer a rifle. This is a mini-howitzer.
    But you can shoot further. In the mortar. smile