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German ex-MP: Sweet talks between Putin and Merkel will not bring Russia and the West together

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In 2017, Gernot Erler left the Bundestag, and before that he was a deputy for 30 years. During the years of his political activity, he established himself as a specialist in Russia and Eastern Europe.


Erler recently gave a great interview to the German radio station Deutschlandfunk, in which the politician, among other things, discusses the complex relationship between Russia and the West.

In particular, the German deputy recalls the years when relations between Russia and the West were good, but they were good from the point of view of the West. At that time, the Russians felt humiliated. Despite all kinds of summits, meetings, smiles and handshakes, in Russia there was an opinion that the West insidiously took advantage of the weakness of the Soviet Union and, later, Russia, to achieve its goals that are harmful to the interests of our country.

In particular, a sign of treachery of Western countries was the expansion of NATO, contrary to assurances that no expansion of the North Atlantic bloc in the eastern direction will occur.

According to Erler, the last straw overflowing the patience of Russia was the preparation in 2013 of signing an association agreement with the European Union. In the Russian Federation, this document was perceived as another anti-Russian attack. According to the German deputy, the West then had completely different goals. They understood that Ukraine’s entry into the European Union is impossible, therefore, as an alternative, they proposed to Kiev to conclude an association agreement with the EU.

What this led to in the end - everyone knows. Radically-minded forces seized power in Ukraine and unleashed a civil war, Crimean residents spoke out for reunification with Russia, and relations between the Russian Federation and the West completely deteriorated.

Erler believes that Russia's current policy is aimed at destabilizing Europe, which upsets him very much. But Putin’s sweet talk with Merkel isn’t enough to establish international relations. According to the Bundestag deputy, a broad socio-political dialogue is needed at all levels, aimed at eliminating misunderstandings between Russia and Western countries. As an example, he mentions the constructive actions of the USSR in the 70s, which ultimately led to a relaxation in relations between the NATO countries and the Warsaw Pact.
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  1. Threaded screw
    Threaded screw 8 June 2020 13: 19 New
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    Erler believes that Russia's current policy is aimed at destabilizing Europe
    Is Russia destabilizing Europe ???
    As an example, he mentions the constructive actions of the USSR in the 70s, which ultimately led to detente in relations between NATO countries
    So now it’s NATO already in Ukraine and Georgia, and then what?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 8 June 2020 14: 04 New
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      Quote: Threaded screw
      So now it’s NATO already in Ukraine and Georgia, and then what?

      And then grandfather and grandmother will shake together in unison. They lay down "on the oars". Let the people of Germany decide the fate of the Angels, but it’s time for us to change the location and "sit down" in the region of the Ambarna and Daldykan rivers - to row diesel fuel from them. Together with friends and girlfriends to scoop up / disentangle their "merits" and to restore the taiga, gnawed to please "friend Si".
      1. Threaded screw
        Threaded screw 8 June 2020 14: 17 New
        -11
        "sit down" in the area of ​​the Ambarny and Daldykan rivers - to row diesel fuel from them. Together with boyfriends and girlfriends, scoop out / disentangle their "merits"
        Not in the eyebrow but in the eye, as it is.
        1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 8 June 2020 18: 42 New
          0
          not in the eye, but in the mouth of such de bill ...
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 8 June 2020 23: 42 New
            +2
            NATO itself killed Gaddafi.
            So it is NATO that is destabilizing Europe.
      2. Civil
        Civil 8 June 2020 14: 36 New
        +2
        The West treacherously took advantage of the weaknesses of the Soviet Union, and later of Russia, to achieve its goals,

        And who made the country weak, aren't the infantile inhabitants themselves? And now their grandchildren and children.
      3. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
        Aleksey Aleksandrovich 8 June 2020 21: 35 New
        0
        Quote: lexus
        but it's time for ours to change the location and "sit down" in the region of the Ambar rivers


        They forgot to ask your opinion. Although, it was said, steam was released and that’s goodhi
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 8 June 2020 14: 17 New
      +8
      Quote: Threaded screw
      Erler believes that Russia's current policy is aimed at destabilizing Europe
      Is Russia destabilizing Europe ???
      As an example, he mentions the constructive actions of the USSR in the 70s, which ultimately led to detente in relations between NATO countries
      So now it’s NATO already in Ukraine and Georgia, and then what?

      A full long interview of him look at Inosmi.

      the still FASCIST is an unfinished one, the son of a major Vermach murdered by us at 45 meters near Leipzig (he is still very offended).

      He is very proud that in Kosovo, contrary to international law, they beat Serpbia, that Germany reunited, and is outraged that Russia reunited with Crimea ....
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 8 June 2020 14: 55 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        the still FASCIST is an unfinished one, the son of a major Vermach murdered by us at 45 meters near Leipzig (he is still very offended).

        What can you say to the fact that Hitler's favorite club, Schalke 04, is now sponsored by MygazPröm? What is it like?
        1. cniza
          cniza 8 June 2020 15: 31 New
          +7
          You know, Hitler traveled to Berlin and lived there, then how is it?
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 8 June 2020 15: 33 New
            -3
            Quote: cniza
            You know, Hitler traveled to Berlin and lived there, then how is it?

            Are you sure that Stirlitz knew about this? belay
            1. cniza
              cniza 8 June 2020 15: 50 New
              +2
              Without a shadow of doubt, he knew about Vienna.
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 8 June 2020 15: 56 New
                -3
                Quote: cniza
                Without a shadow of doubt, he knew about Vienna.

                I am very sorry, but according to our information, Comrade Isaev was carrying out another task, and you confuse Stirlitz with Schroeder. Remember, Stirlitz is our, and Schroeder is German. hi
                1. cniza
                  cniza 8 June 2020 16: 04 New
                  +3
                  It depends on which side to look, the place of birth is not so important, the main thing is what I am convinced of and what you are doing.
        2. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
          Aleksey Aleksandrovich 8 June 2020 21: 39 New
          -1
          Quote: Malyuta
          gas gas


          Are you stuck on this phrase today? Or has the training manual been updated? Are you now recommended that gas exports be called that?
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 8 June 2020 21: 48 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
            Are you stuck on this phrase today? Or has the training manual been updated? Have you now been instructed to export gas this way?

            No, no, I just came up with it yesterday, because I "hack to death" from time to time
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 9 June 2020 07: 03 New
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          Quote: Malyuta
          What can you say to the fact that Hitler's favorite club, Schalke 04, is now sponsored by MygazPröm? What is it like?

          Do I hate vegetarians now? Do not ride on the autobahn?
          1. Liam
            Liam 9 June 2020 07: 08 New
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            Quote: Olgovich
            Do not ride on the autobahn?

            Well, it definitely doesn’t threaten you
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 9 June 2020 07: 26 New
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              Quote: Liam

              Well, it definitely doesn’t threaten you


              And more than a dozen thousand kilometers have already "threatened". and not only in Germany

              What is your sbch. business. by the way? hi
    3. Alexander Sosnitsky
      Alexander Sosnitsky 8 June 2020 14: 45 New
      +5
      the constructive actions of the USSR in the 70s, which eventually led to detente in relations between the NATO countries and the Warsaw Pact.

      Then the USSR disappeared from the political map of the world. Thank you for such a friendship. Better you to visit us at Kolyma
      1. credo
        credo 8 June 2020 15: 29 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Sosnitsky
        the constructive actions of the USSR in the 70s, which eventually led to detente in relations between the NATO countries and the Warsaw Pact.

        Then the USSR disappeared from the political map of the world. Thank you for such a friendship. Better you to visit us at Kolyma

        It is very rare to hear from a resident of Western Europe something positive about Russia, because their brains have been washed and washed for centuries by the local authorities and the Catholic Church on the theme that in the east of the borders of their "Light and Pure World" there is an enemy, day and night dreaming of how to destroy and conquer this very western world.
        Therefore, it is not surprising that for centuries the warriors of this "Light and Pure World" have invaded the territory of Eastern Europe, in general, and Russia, in particular, plundering and decreasing everything that somehow does not fit into the idea of ​​their justice.
        So there is nothing to be surprised when the Spanish press proudly recalls their soldiers and their heroism during the maintenance of the siege of Leningrad, or the Italians who welcome the remnants of their "heroes" who managed to take their feet out of Stalingrad, or the same Germans who calmly treat the local young Nazis , freely and serenely gathering under fascist banners and slogans in Germany itself.
        And this offspring of the former Wehrmacht soldier by fascist Germany just once again reminded us of what justice means in the representation of the next representative of the Western world. Nothing new.
        1. Alexander Sosnitsky
          Alexander Sosnitsky 8 June 2020 19: 27 New
          0
          Yes, and this is a constant in our relationship. Therefore, you need to play multi-way and catch them on their weaknesses. The most important thing. soon everyone will have nothing to eat, and the great and mighty have nowhere to rush - everything is there. During this time, it is possible to create intellectual and spiritual natural supercivilization and catch such a known weak spot. Russia is the only country that can withstand the whole world. This is its advantage without going beyond its borders. You just need to use it, time is unlimited. And do not drink like Boris the Drunk, who also created a memory center, a disgrace to the people. The Japanese understood this for a long time and became isolated on their small islands, producing all the best after 2MB. And the Russian Federation can also add territory to this, and without violence, and the technology is super, and live in pleasure. The spiritual center of the world, in contrast to the ever warlike.
  2. svp67
    svp67 8 June 2020 13: 19 New
    +5
    Erler believes that Russia's current policy is aimed at destabilizing Europe, which upsets him very much.
    And what is Western policy directed at? Especially in light of the talk about the breakup of Russia into small states ...
    1. lubesky
      lubesky 8 June 2020 15: 34 New
      +1
      So this is the norm, no? Not there it is considered that the natives of the colonized territory not only resist, but also bear some kind of reciprocal plans and measures, which is a sign of intelligence. That they cannot accept
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 8 June 2020 13: 24 New
    +7
    According to the Bundestag deputy, a broad socio-political dialogue is needed at all levels, aimed at eliminating misunderstandings between Russia and Western countries.

    A famous song ... since the days of Gorbachev.
    What prevents Germany from establishing this dialogue without setting unacceptable demands of Russia ... they have imposed sanctions against us and still talk about dialogue ... these are false identities.
    Once, with the help of Gorbachev, the Germans managed to fool us ... the second time there would be no such luck for Germany.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 8 June 2020 13: 46 New
      +1
      imposed sanctions against us and still talk about dialogue ... here are false individuals

      Well, the Germans are actually honest here. They at least soberly assess the current situation and their role in it, and they do it publicly, publicly. Of course, they do not reach practical steps where they are, but this is still much more adequate than the eternal American "Russia should"
    2. Kurare
      Kurare 8 June 2020 13: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      What prevents Germany from establishing this dialogue without exposing Russia's unacceptable demands ...

      About 40 thousand overseas soldiers with the possibility in the shortest possible time will increase in about three of their number. Although, if you look closely, Germany is almost the only one of the top 5 European countries that still has channels for a possible dialogue with Russia.
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      imposed sanctions against us and still talk about dialogue ... these are false personalities.

      "Kindergarten" von der Leyen never tired and never tired of repeating how important it is to conduct a dialogue with Russia from a position of strength. Somehow they tried to explain to her that such a dialogue is impossible, but such politicians are now in Germany / Europe
      1. Polymer
        Polymer 8 June 2020 20: 04 New
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        Quote: Kurare
        Germany is almost the only one of the top 5 European countries that still has channels for a possible dialogue with Russia.

        Not only canals, but also pipes. And they are trying to finish new ones. laughing
    3. fif21
      fif21 8 June 2020 13: 50 New
      +6
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Once with the help of Gorbachev, the Germans managed to fool us ...

      With the help of Gorbachev, party officials turned into masters, and the Germans had nothing to do with it.
      Above this traitor, hangs an article for treason. hi
  4. alexmach
    alexmach 8 June 2020 13: 33 New
    +4
    As an example, he mentions the constructive actions of the USSR in the 70s, which ultimately led to a relaxation in relations between the NATO countries and the Warsaw Pact.

    another "Russians give up?"
  5. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 8 June 2020 13: 36 New
    0
    It is unlikely that in general Russia and the West will bring something closer, and conversations between Putin and Merkel will only solve all the loot because they will conduct business.
  6. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 8 June 2020 13: 44 New
    -1
    Trump will bring Russia and Germany closer ...
    1. Raven 95
      Raven 95 8 June 2020 14: 50 New
      +7
      Does he need it?
    2. cniza
      cniza 8 June 2020 15: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Pvi1206
      Trump will bring Russia and Germany closer ...


      This is a nightmare for them, for them the benefit is a war between us and Germany.
  7. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 8 June 2020 13: 44 New
    +7
    For the Russians, the West arouses disgust at best, and in the West pumped up by the false media of the Russian Federation, they were always feared, there would definitely not be any rapprochement, but if it is profitable, they will certainly do business.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 8 June 2020 13: 45 New
    +2
    German ex-MP: Sweet talks between Putin and Merkel will not bring Russia and the West together

    But is it for us ???
    One must have strength, and friends themselves will reach for it ....
    1. cniza
      cniza 8 June 2020 15: 28 New
      +3
      For some reason this postulate is forgotten.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 June 2020 16: 53 New
        +1
        The power of the state does not combine with the selfish interests of too many! If they didn’t have a direct threat from behind the hill, they would be taken away from them altogether, they would have fished even more ... and so, they are forced to hold on to their Wishlist.
        1. cniza
          cniza 8 June 2020 17: 24 New
          +3
          So the West is helping us lol But seriously, we don’t have another option as soon as we become strong ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 8 June 2020 18: 10 New
            +1
            For us, yes, that's the only way .... for some already on a subconscious level, "confuse" the public / state with their own.
            1. cniza
              cniza 8 June 2020 18: 31 New
              +3
              Oh yes - "everything around is collective farm, everything around is mine" is a very tenacious slogan.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 8 June 2020 18: 35 New
                +1
                There are "comrades" Bendery, there are Shura Balaganov ... they have a grasping reflex, they are registered in the subcortex.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 8 June 2020 20: 53 New
                  +2
                  There the list is very long and modern Bender does not sleep at all ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 8 June 2020 20: 59 New
                    +1
                    Comrade Bender's "colleagues" are acting tycho, systemically! we can never know about them! But the rest are sometimes Caught and SING publicly, they did not interfere with the system comrades, and you can write off something on them ...
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 8 June 2020 21: 01 New
                      +2
                      Little, I would like more, but alas ...
  9. fif21
    fif21 8 June 2020 13: 45 New
    0
    This is the revenge of a smart woman for the boorish behavior of Trump. laughing Trump demands that Russia be returned to the club of sixes in the United States, and only a woman can do it. The resources spent on confrontation with Russia in no way contribute to the growth of the EU economy. No war! Yes to business! Simple and clear formula. hi
    1. dauria
      dauria 8 June 2020 14: 23 New
      0
      No war! Yes to business! Simple and clear formula.


      The formula is even simpler "war is one of the forms of business." Even from the showdown of the reketers for the collective farm market, even the struggle of the economies of countries.
      Even from the classics "Politics is a concentrated expression of economics", "War is a continuation of politics"
  10. Brturin
    Brturin 8 June 2020 13: 50 New
    0
    Erler believes that Russia's current policy is aimed at destabilizing Europe

    And "sweetheart" Trump is straight with all his heart to Europe ... it has already come to lobsters - "If the European Union does not immediately cancel this duty [on American lobsters], then we will introduce duties on their [European] cars, which will be equivalent." ..> "
  11. Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 June 2020 14: 00 New
    -2
    Still, you need to learn how to write headlines.
    Let's just say from the article that the deputy is pro-Russian, for the unification of Russia and Germany. From the heading, it seems that the deputy is against the friendship of Russia and Germany.
  12. iouris
    iouris 8 June 2020 14: 08 New
    0
    Africa cannot be colonized, but the BSSSR remains.
  13. Ramzes iv
    Ramzes iv 8 June 2020 14: 19 New
    -2
    In particular, the German deputy recalls the years when relations between Russia and the West were good, but they were good from the point of view of the West. At that time, the Russians felt humiliated. Despite all kinds of summits, meetings, smiles and handshakes, in Russia there was an opinion that the West insidiously took advantage of the weaknesses of the Soviet Union and, later, Russia, to achieve its goals that harm the interests of our country

    I like to read such statements of "Exs" from the west. They sing so nicely and correctly .. And why were the bastards silent before? negative
    They want to calm the angry Russian bear .. Well, well!
    Too late ! hi Stripping will begin soon ..
    Many liberties escaped, but some stayed .. negative
    1. cniza
      cniza 8 June 2020 15: 26 New
      +1
      They chopped Vitaly, from the word at all.
  14. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 8 June 2020 14: 21 New
    +2
    A confrontation with the West is very productive for Russia, on this path we have created a great country over and over again, but any kind of establishing relations ended in collapse. Only mutual distrust and upholding our selfish interests will lead us to mutual understanding.
    1. cniza
      cniza 8 June 2020 15: 25 New
      +1
      Somehow it is tricky, but in fact everything is correct.
  15. Junior Private
    Junior Private 8 June 2020 14: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: The same Lech

    What prevents Germany from establishing this dialogue without setting unacceptable demands of Russia ... they have imposed sanctions against us and still talk about dialogue ... these are false identities.

    It's such an old well-worn diplomatic trick. Put forward conditions / requirements that are known in advance that they will not be accepted by the other party. But then you can squeal at every corner: "We are to Russia with all our hearts, and she ...". Diplomacy in itself is not always a clean pursuit. And democratic negotiation processes are sheer lies and filth.
  16. Karaul73
    Karaul73 8 June 2020 14: 26 New
    -2
    Quote: Threaded Screw
    Erler believes that Russia's current policy is aimed at destabilizing Europe
    Is Russia destabilizing Europe ???
    As an example, he mentions the constructive actions of the USSR in the 70s, which ultimately led to detente in relations between NATO countries
    So now it’s NATO already in Ukraine and Georgia, and then what?

    Oh, you better not know. You’ll sleep badly.
  17. Operator
    Operator 8 June 2020 14: 30 New
    +1
    What kind of "constructive" dialogue is possible between the world's largest nuclear power and a pot-bellied little thing like Europe - sodomites, have gone out of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Baltic States and the Caucasus.

    And afterwards we’ll talk from the standpoint of strength as the only winners in the Cold War (taking into account the American Spring, of course).
    1. cniza
      cniza 8 June 2020 15: 24 New
      +3
      You wrapped it abruptly, but there is something in it.
  18. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 8 June 2020 14: 31 New
    +1
    To begin with, all these butts were before, and now, in fact, with the Soviet Union and the United States. Europe, although at a Yankees dance, is somehow friends with Russia, because they understand that the Yankees are far away, and Russia is close.

    And these nice conversations are nothing more than business negotiations.
    1. cniza
      cniza 8 June 2020 15: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Lord of the Sith


      And these nice conversations are nothing more than business negotiations.


      And they must go on.
  19. lubesky
    lubesky 8 June 2020 15: 07 New
    +2
    No need to be an expert to draw such conclusions. Friendship with the former Chancellor and the Italian with the West did not bring us closer. The introduction of the Chancellor to the board of directors did not bring it closer. However, this goal was not set, but the German attempt at independence in the gas issue is quite a tactical result.
    1. cniza
      cniza 8 June 2020 15: 22 New
      +1
      It is necessary to use any opportunities.
      1. lubesky
        lubesky 8 June 2020 15: 27 New
        +1
        I agree, especially in the absence of a national long-term strategy
        1. cniza
          cniza 8 June 2020 15: 48 New
          +1
          If the Germans decided and expelled the United States from their country, everything would have changed a lot.
          1. lubesky
            lubesky 8 June 2020 15: 52 New
            +1
            Firstly, it will cost enormous resources for the Germans, secondly, this will require a great willful decision by the majority of Germans, thirdly, from our rich history, we simply will not be allowed to get closer to Germany
            1. cniza
              cniza 8 June 2020 15: 55 New
              +2
              Quote: lubesky
              thirdly, from our rich history, we simply will not be allowed to get closer to Germany


              Yes, their task is to constantly pit us, if we unite with the Germans, the end is to the West, and they perfectly understand this.
  20. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 8 June 2020 15: 09 New
    0
    We still listen so carefully to the on-line demagogy from the EU, as if it was a sermon by Jesus Christ. They have not said anything relevant to us for a long time.
    1. cniza
      cniza 8 June 2020 15: 22 New
      +1
      And what is someone waiting for? In my opinion, all the points have been placed for a long time.
  21. cniza
    cniza 8 June 2020 15: 21 New
    +1
    Erler believes that Russia's current policy is aimed at destabilizing Europe, which upsets him very much.


    And was he a specialist in Russia?
  22. nobody111body
    nobody111body 8 June 2020 15: 57 New
    -1
    laughter - a coup in Ukraine began when the affairs of the Jews with Assad in Syria were inhibited; but the link Libya + Yugoslavia worked out with a bang; they destroyed Kadafi quickly; for quite some time they got muddled with a bunch of Lebanon + Afghanistan, but they grabbed Arafat and the next one among the Jews on the agenda of Ayatollah, but it’s worth it
  23. Klingon
    Klingon 8 June 2020 16: 26 New
    0
    I wonder why Germany is not offended by Italy? Rome at one time conquered all of Germany and gave it a name, making it part of its empire and the Germans - vassals
    1. tacet
      tacet 8 June 2020 17: 24 New
      +1
      1. not all - only part
      2. In the 12th century, the Germans made the Italians the Italians.
  24. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 8 June 2020 16: 41 New
    0
    In 2017, Gernot Erler left the Bundestag, and before that he was a deputy for 30 years. During the years of his political activity, he established himself as a specialist in Russia and Eastern Europe. When a German begins to talk about Russia, he turns into a fool. laughing Tyutchev: The smartest German, when he starts talking about Russia, will certainly be a fool.
  25. tacet
    tacet 8 June 2020 17: 20 New
    0
    Mr. Erler refers to the 70s, and his speeches are very reminiscent of the end of the 80s. Does he really think that we get up twice on the same rake?
  26. Normal ok
    Normal ok 8 June 2020 19: 22 New
    -2
    Erler gave a great interview to the German radio station Deutschlandfunk,

    It can be seen, like the former Chancellor Schroeder, marks a thread of a Russian company in the manager’s chair.
    1. Kuzmitsky
      8 June 2020 20: 35 New
      0
      Something he tupanul, you see. I should have given interviews on Russian Radio, not in German. They will soon notice and take to Russian managers :)