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Veterans of battles for Damansky Island will not have to return the payments received to the 75th anniversary of Victory

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The branch of the Pension Fund of Russia in the Amur Region will not demand from veterans of the hostilities on Damansky Island the return of payments that they transferred by mistake in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Victory of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War.


The decision not to bring claims to the veterans was made after the meeting of Governor Vasily Orlov with representatives of the regional branch of the FIU.

This was reported by the press service of the Amur Region Government.

The head of the region said that such errors on the part of state structures were unacceptable when calculating payments to citizens and suggested discussing options so that people would not have to give the Pension Fund the money received. In any case, veterans will not need to return payments.

In late April, the FIU made a mistake in calculating lump sums for the anniversary of the Victory over fascism. Then, along with veterans of the Great Patriotic War, more than 50 participants in the hostilities on Damansky Island received payments. In May, when the Pension Fund noticed its oversight, a notification was sent to the Daman veterans asking them to return the money paid.

Then the deputies of the Legislative Assembly of the region met with participants in the battles on Damansky and promised them to resolve the issue by discussing options with the Amur Region Government and the Pension Fund.

The Soviet-Chinese conflict on Damansky Island occurred in March 1969. It was the largest armed clash between the two countries in the entire new history.
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  1. Vlad Malkin
    Vlad Malkin 8 June 2020 11: 24 New
    26
    Let the money be returned to those who made a mistake! And for veterans this money will not be superfluous!
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 8 June 2020 11: 27 New
      22
      Right!!!!! I agree for all one hundred. In general, officials are obliged to pay for their personal mistakes either money or bunks
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 8 June 2020 11: 45 New
        22
        In late April, the FIU made a mistake in calculating lump sum benefits for the anniversary of the Victory over fascism.
        More than 50 combatants on Damansky Island received payments.

        Oh, winked It turns out there are positive aspects in our FIU. good It is necessary to develop a positive experience!
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 8 June 2020 11: 55 New
          +4
          Quote: Terenin
          it turns out there are positive points in our FIU

          More mistakes - good and different (s) wink
          1. Ramzes iv
            Ramzes iv 8 June 2020 12: 26 New
            +6
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: Terenin
            it turns out there are positive points in our FIU

            More mistakes - good and different (s) wink

            I agree ! Still, the veterans of the defeat of the Kwantung Army would be paid in September and medals "For the capture of Manchuria" and "For the capture of the Kuril Islands" .. Even posthumously! It is high time they would not be ashamed of this brilliant operation of the Soviet troops! hi
          2. novel66
            novel66 8 June 2020 12: 35 New
            +6
            trouble is all positive from mistakes lol
          3. your1970
            your1970 8 June 2020 18: 01 New
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: Terenin
            it turns out there are positive points in our FIU

            More mistakes - good and different (s) wink

            Trouble is that there are errors in this case - no ....
            And there have been lawsuits since last year - moreover, many have been challenged in the courts of 2 instances ... as I understand it, there is already an appeal to the Supreme Court ...
            The PFR simply executes court decisions, therefore there is no criminal liability for embezzlement of money from the PFR officers (in this case) ...

            The ill-conceived normative act is about one of our troubles ...
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 8 June 2020 18: 03 New
              0
              Quote: your1970
              The ill-considered normative act is one of our troubles ...

              To be honest, I am far from all these matters. And the fact that 50 veterans received a gift for Victory Day is good.

              And the money ... let them write them off, what is it there, of that money, on a regional scale?
    2. knn54
      knn54 8 June 2020 12: 01 New
      16
      There was no mistake when calculating - they, too, defended their homeland.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 8 June 2020 12: 26 New
        +3
        And the veterans got some money, and it’s not a shame for China - you understand the little thing ... bully
        1. novel66
          novel66 8 June 2020 12: 36 New
          +3
          and the Chinese, as they recall the Grad, immediately crap for themselves
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 8 June 2020 13: 01 New
            +2
            Therefore, the Chinese MLRS of all calibers significantly surpass ours in terms of firing range.
            Their Grads are naughty for 50 km (ours talked about 40 km and returned back to 20 km), and their 370 mm - 180-220 km (our 300 mm: 120 km in the imported version, and even less - 90 km )
            The only hope is that we surpass exactly. But our specialists went there and helped in something. So maybe here they are not far behind.
            Well, the Belarusian Polonaise - also launches Chinese missiles.
            https://missilery.info/missile/sr4
            https://missilery.info/missile/ar3
            1. novel66
              novel66 8 June 2020 13: 03 New
              +3
              made work on the bugs
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 8 June 2020 13: 04 New
                -1
                Yes. Very serious. And here we are definitely behind ...
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 8 June 2020 15: 16 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alex777
                  And here we are definitely behind ...

                  All that they serve is nothing more than advertising. To check this, the Chinese need to try to seize some other island. But this is unlikely. Stubbornly, however. Damansky and "Grad" they still hiccup. Then they dug up the remains of the bodies of their soldiers from a meter deep.
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 8 June 2020 18: 59 New
                    +1
                    Many who buy from them and check.
                    And so - yes. MLRS in the USSR came up with.
                    1. Revolver
                      Revolver 8 June 2020 20: 15 New
                      0
                      Yes, many people played with it then. Almost all the main participants of the Second World War had rockets, and the Naglich people had a similarity even at a time when, under the guise of the Napoleonic wars, they tried to re-capture America. This is even reflected in the US anthem: "... and the rockets red glare ...". The Germans had different Nebelwerfer series missiles and multi-barreled launchers for them, mostly towed. But to put primitive (and therefore cheap and suitable for mass production) packages of rail guides on a truck, so they quickly turned around, quickly fired, quickly slipped to another position without waiting for a response and repeated from there until there were enough missiles, they were the first to think of it and made it in the USSR.
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 8 June 2020 19: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: Alex777
          and China is not offended

          So that this island comes to the Chinese with a bone in the throat.
      2. Ramzes iv
        Ramzes iv 8 June 2020 12: 28 New
        -4
        Quote: knn54
        There was no mistake when calculating - they, too, defended their homeland.

        Most likely this liberda spread .. I didn’t even read this news, I understood why it was posted on the fan .. Damn you bastard, etc.
      3. Boris55
        Boris55 8 June 2020 12: 31 New
        -1
        Quote: knn54
        There was no mistake when calculating - they, too, defended their homeland.

        There were no errors. There is arousal of negative emotions in society.

        Remembering the past days "About the Soviet Peaceful Tractor":
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B809I4SMCR8
    3. stalki
      stalki 8 June 2020 12: 31 New
      +2
      Let the money be returned to those who made a mistake! And for veterans this money will not be superfluous!
      Yes, for good, it was necessary to remain silent and say that "it was so" winked that's what they intended. In order not to be disgraced. And those who made a mistake to thank "quietly" in a narrow circle repeat Yes, it’s good that, by divine chance, the veterans got lucky.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 June 2020 16: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Vlad Malkin
      Let the money be returned to those who made a mistake! And for veterans this money will not be superfluous!

      Officials need to be punished for not contributing Damansky Veterans to pay benefits.
    5. Maz
      Maz 8 June 2020 21: 39 New
      +2
      shame, our guys were there real fighting and died in the war
  2. ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
    ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2 8 June 2020 11: 25 New
    +5
    Well, it’s wonderful that the money will remain with the people. And the workers of the local PfR should be checked for knowledge of history.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 8 June 2020 11: 29 New
      +8
      Quote: ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2
      And the workers of the local Pfr, must be checked for knowledge of history.

      Rather, it is necessary to check there whether the current employees of the FIU department are not registered as veterans ...
      1. novel66
        novel66 8 June 2020 12: 36 New
        +1
        about! how deep it is !! good
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 8 June 2020 11: 29 New
    +1
    .
    In May, when the Pension Fund noticed its oversight, a notification was sent to the Daman veterans asking them to return the money paid.

    Great stupidity and thoughtlessness on the part of the FIU to do so.
  4. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 8 June 2020 11: 36 New
    +9
    This is some shame ...

    These are veterans. Paid - everything, the train left. Why claim money back? I have no words...
    Rear wheel drive scrovers.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 8 June 2020 16: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Why claim money back? I have no words...
      Rear wheel drive scrovers.

      And this is required from veterans who are already over 70 years old. A shame.
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    1. Same lech
      Same lech 8 June 2020 11: 48 New
      0
      I am terrified!!! Many stoke for legality but in a particular case the law in FIG !!! Unfortunately, I state the fact !!! Russia is not a state!
      but in a particular case the law in FIG !!!

      And who has violated the law? ... veterans? ... forum users? ... Or the FIU with its tricks ... in my opinion the law should be fair then this is a law and not lawlessness cleverly framed by law.
      And then after all, our guardianship began to deftly use the law to remove children from needy and poor parents ... since the family lost a roof in the house, then for guardianship this already became the reason for the removal of children from the family ... a disgrace.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 8 June 2020 11: 51 New
        -5
        That's what I'm writing about !!! As a result, those who in the Amur region are not entitled to payments will receive them, and those who in other areas will not see anything at all !!! Living in law and in justice are two different things.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 8 June 2020 11: 54 New
          +1
          Living in law and in justice are two different things.

          I disagree categorically ... the law should not be unfair ... if by law you are made a slave, you will live according to this law? ... I certainly will not.
          Law and justice are the two ends of one stick ... remove one of these concepts and the stick will become a flimsy subject ... so is the law ... without justice, it ceases to be law.
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 8 June 2020 11: 57 New
            -7
            Um ... you should remember the story !!! Ok we won’t go far !!! Is self-isolation regime legal or fair?
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 8 June 2020 12: 06 New
              +1
              Um ... you should remember the story !!! Ok we won’t go far !!! Is self-isolation regime legal or fair?

              And according to the law and justice ... so I think ... for an infected person should not infect others and must be isolated ... this is true.
              The trouble is that our society is not ready for a pandemic and does not understand the whole danger of this ... to realize this, I would recommend to many to look at what was happening in Italian cities and in the USA.
              1. Nehist
                Nehist 8 June 2020 12: 17 New
                0
                No. Are you already defined by law or by justice ?! Isolation by law is for you to read the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation !!! Not a single law, not even a legal concept, has such a thing as self-isolation.
                1. Same lech
                  Same lech 8 June 2020 12: 20 New
                  -2
                  Fit here
                  THE FEDERAL LAW

                  ABOUT PROTECTION OF POPULATIONS AND TERRITORIES
                  FROM EXTRAORDINARY SITUATIONS OF NATURAL
                  AND TECHNOGENIC CHARACTER.
                  and not the criminal code ... the president has the right to introduce additional measures to protect the population, which was done ... everything is fine here.
                  1. Nehist
                    Nehist 8 June 2020 12: 34 New
                    +1
                    Prident did not do anything! You read the law poorly
                    1. Same lech
                      Same lech 8 June 2020 12: 38 New
                      -1
                      Prident did not do anything!

                      Is it ... And what is the president’s statement about the introduction and extension of the self-isolation regime?
                      1. Nehist
                        Nehist 8 June 2020 12: 39 New
                        +3
                        You answer me what is self-isolation? !!! Where is the legal concept?
                      2. Same lech
                        Same lech 8 June 2020 12: 51 New
                        -1
                        Replace the word self-isolation with events ... that will be your legal term. hi
                      3. Kochegarkin
                        Kochegarkin 8 June 2020 15: 05 New
                        0
                        why are you yelling here? !! .... both .. off-topic comments ...
                        Nehist - what is important to you? legality or justice? or is it still a normal country? then law and justice must be used as an integral part of the control of the masses, that is, of the population. Using the example of a pension fund error - the PF made a mistake and asked to return, they didn’t return, it turned to the representative of the authorities, the representative of the authorities determined - the PF is guilty - legally - legally, who is to blame and pays - rightly - rightly, and what does the veteran have to do with it? they received. and now you offer them to give money out of your pocket? kosyachat some and others pay? if the money was transferred to my card — is it my money, or were the capitalists not teaching us how to protect their property? and it doesn’t matter that they came to me by mistake, it’s not me who is guilty of the mistake, but whoever is guilty should be paid, it’s both in law and in justice. According to the law, no one can force me to give mine, if I'm not guilty, I will prove it to you in any court.
                      4. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 8 June 2020 17: 36 New
                        +1
                        What is important to you? legality or justice?

                        For me personally, justice is the main thing .... For in any law a bunch of freaks right there finds a hole that they then actively master.
                      5. Rusticolus
                        Rusticolus 9 June 2020 07: 56 New
                        0
                        Quote: The Stoker
                        if the money was transferred to my card — is it my money, or were the capitalists not teaching us how to protect their property? and it doesn’t matter that they came to me by mistake, it’s not me who is guilty of the mistake, but whoever is guilty should pay the price, it’s both in law and in justice. According to the law, no one can force me to give mine, if I'm not guilty, I will prove it to you in any court.
                        In general, there is a very specific article for the misappropriation of another's property (money, material assets). And even if it came to you by accident or by mistake, it is still not yours until it is recognized as ownerless. And you must return it at the first request of the rightful owner. Of course, you have the right to demand payment for the storage or maintenance of this property while you have it. But just so-so you do not have the right to appropriate it, and in court, in addition to compensation, you don’t have anything to shine at all. Rather, on the contrary, you still have to prove that it came to you by mistake, and not you stole it. Such is the law, the Criminal Code in particular.
                    2. Kochegarkin
                      Kochegarkin 8 June 2020 15: 15 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Nehist
                      You answer me what is self-isolation? !!! Where is the legal concept?

                      There is no legal concept.
                      "Self-isolation" is a simplified name for voluntary isolation from society during a "emergency or threat of its occurrence", during such a period there exists or is established by self-government bodies or state bodies the procedure for the conduct of citizens on the territory of the state. Article 20.6.1 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation.
                      Federal Law No. 1-ФЗ2020 dated April 99, 1 amended the Code of Administrative Offenses, according to which administrative liability was established for violation of the law in the field of ensuring the sanitary and epidemiological well-being of the population committed during the emergency situation or when there is a threat of the spread of a dangerous disease or restrictive measures (quarantine), as well as for failure to comply with the deadline requirements of the body performing federal state sanitary and epidemiological surveillance on sanitary and epidemiological measures.


                      Well, something like this...

                      not knowing the laws does not relieve you of responsibility, because you wave rags for legality?
                    3. notingem
                      notingem 8 June 2020 22: 38 New
                      +1
                      There are also laws of the Revolution that modern fraudsters call laws not legal
                    4. Kochegarkin
                      Kochegarkin 9 June 2020 13: 46 New
                      -1
                      Well, lying on the couch everyone is bold. Have you been to the revolution for a long time? what is the experience ...
                      here I am about the same thing ... to shake the air - not toss the bags ...

                      let's live according to the laws set out in the documents
                  2. Rusticolus
                    Rusticolus 9 June 2020 08: 00 New
                    +1
                    Yes, only the quarantine specified in the law has bilateral obligations. And for some reason, invented self-isolation is only one way.
                  3. Kochegarkin
                    Kochegarkin 9 June 2020 13: 47 New
                    -1
                    Have you read the law?
                    CAO read?
                    more attentively, read, there is no emergency in our country, nor does anyone owe you anything.
                    If I’m wrong - give a quote about what you want to tell me about it.
                  4. Rusticolus
                    Rusticolus 10 June 2020 10: 28 New
                    0
                    So I am about the same. No emergency - no quarantine. And self-isolation is a filkin letter. Once, by itself ... then everyone himself determines for himself the necessary measures of isolation, because such are not spelled out anywhere in the law.
  • kjhg
    kjhg 8 June 2020 12: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    in my opinion the law should be fair then it is a law and not lawlessness cleverly framed in the law.

    This was probably the last time in the history of mankind among the Indians, and that is not a fact. Law generally has little to do with justice. Each country has its own laws, sometimes completely different. And even in the same country, laws are often rewritten exclusively for a particular person. The most recent example is constitutional amendments to nullify. There is a famous saying: Not the one who is right is right, but the one who has more rights (by law).
    If we take the topic of payments to veterans, then I have a question: Is it justifiable that only veterans of the Great Patriotic War receive payments and exclusive benefits? Veterans of Afghanistan and Chechnya deserve this less? Or, for example, is it true that a man who made only a few days of the end of the war in the army and did not participate in any battles or who was in the rear receives the same benefits as a veteran who fought from 1941 to 1945, who has many achievements, or how a soldier who fought on the front line in Afghanistan, who was injured? The answer here is not so clear.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 8 June 2020 12: 10 New
      -1
      Not the one who is right is right, but the one who has more rights (by law).

      We must strive to ensure that laws are fair, otherwise our society will constantly be in a fever of riots, revolutions and various other upheavals such as in the USA ... there is no other way ... otherwise there is an eternal war within society.
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 8 June 2020 12: 39 New
        +5
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        We must strive to ensure that laws are fair

        They can be fair only to the extent that this society itself has deserved. To deserve something, you need to fight for it, to achieve it. The slave system would still exist if there were no uprisings and wars of slaves for their freedom. With serfdom the same story. These are peasant uprisings, the Decembrist uprising, the revolution of 1905 and 1917. Only after this did serfdom finally cease to exist in Russia. And what are we doing today so that our laws and the distribution of national wealth are more equitable? Almost nothing. So don't expect justice to triumph on its own. This is utopia.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 8 June 2020 12: 54 New
          +1
          serfdom finally ceased to exist in Russia.

          I think unfortunately recourse that we are smoothly returning to the old order again ... then revolutionaries and rebels will again appear and, accordingly, all the charms of a new civil war ... a recent example with Platoshkin is vivid proof of this ... these are just flowers.
          1. kjhg
            kjhg 8 June 2020 13: 08 New
            +4
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            Unfortunately, I believe that we are gradually returning to the old order again ...

            This is inevitable in a situation where society itself does not almost resist it. But, fortunately, after any winter, sooner or later, spring comes.
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            then again revolutionaries and rebels will appear again and accordingly all the delights of a new civil war ...

            I would not like the latter very much, but it happens that it is impossible to avoid this when capital goes to the last in order to preserve the existing unfair system.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 8 June 2020 13: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        We must strive to ensure that laws are fair, otherwise our society will constantly be in a fever of riots

        Need to strive, only to whom? First of all, it is necessary to determine the essence of the laws adopted: for whom are they? The same people asked "their chosen ones" to increase their retirement age, raise VAT, establish a minimum wage in the amount of 12130 rubles for themselves and several hundred thousand for deputies and ministers. And as the people asked for top managers:

        Our society is disorganized by caste. This is a working man in the USSR who was valuable and in demand. Now the authorities claimed a stupid, obedient herd.
        Do not worry about the riots. The country is not ready for even the slightest protest. It’s not “hot” yet.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 8 June 2020 13: 11 New
          +2
          Our society is disorganized by caste. This is a working man in the USSR who was valuable and in demand.

          Look at the class composition of the State Duma ... athletes, businessmen, officials, intellectuals, doctors, professors, glamorous personalities ... there are few workers and peasants ... it’s very significant ... laws are passed accordingly.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 8 June 2020 13: 19 New
            +4
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            See class composition

            Alexei! I have seen everything in my life. But I don’t want to slurp shit at the end of it, with which they all strive to fuck me. I do not believe in the nationality of our deputies, and government decisions evoke in me only negative emotions.
  • Vlad Malkin
    Vlad Malkin 8 June 2020 11: 51 New
    +1
    Nehist (Alexander)

    In some cases, there may be exceptions! The regional leadership just applied this exception!
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 8 June 2020 11: 54 New
      0
      This is called without the law !!! The law must be one !!! And there should be no exceptions !!!
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 8 June 2020 11: 57 New
        0
        Quote: Nehist
        This is called without the law !!! The law must be one !!! And there should be no exceptions !!!

        It's Russia. Bottom level of justice. According to the law, misappropriation turned out, for which, in general, an article in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation threatens.
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 8 June 2020 12: 13 New
        +1
        This is called without the law !!! The law must be one !!! And there should be no exceptions !!!

        What do you mean ... smile but what about Serdyukov, and what about his famous figurants ... cleverly brought them out from under the blow of the LAW ... this is lawlessness and injustice.
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 8 June 2020 12: 24 New
          +4
          I don’t need to talk about Taburetkin !!! I served at this time !!! And yes, he was cleverly taken out of the accused as witnesses and just according to the LAW !!! And in fairness, I personally would have cut it
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 8 June 2020 12: 26 New
            +1
            And yes, he was cleverly taken out of the accused as witnesses and just according to the LAW !!! And in fairness, I personally would have cut it

            You see smile since the law is used to take the criminal out of punishment ... so what kind of law is this ... ... this is not the law, this is jelly and it needs to be changed and improved so that the story with Serdyukov does not happen again again.
            1. Nehist
              Nehist 8 June 2020 12: 32 New
              +3
              I’ll give you another, opposite example !!!! Colonel Budanov !!! Convicted by law !!! And in fairness he needs to erect a monument !!!
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 8 June 2020 12: 42 New
                +2
                Convicted by law !!! And in fairness he needs to erect a monument !!!

                For saving his comrades-in-arms from death, yes ... I would also erect a monument to him ... for beating a subordinate officer without serious reason, he should be punished ... this is fair and legal.
                Budanov is a sore subject for me ... a well-deserved military officer ... but he was stupidly burned down after committing a series of inexcusable acts.
                1. Nehist
                  Nehist 8 June 2020 13: 14 New
                  +4
                  Hmm ... Do you remember what he was accused of? And yes, as I gave 11 years of BC, I myself sometimes engaged in assault !!! I dare to assure you !!! For no reason, in a combat situation, no one will do such a thing !!!
                  1. Same lech
                    Same lech 8 June 2020 13: 26 New
                    +1
                    Alexander does not presume and I do not want to discuss Budanov ... it hurts in my soul.
              2. Ramzes iv
                Ramzes iv 8 June 2020 12: 49 New
                +1
                Quote: Nehist
                Colonel Budanov !!! Convicted by law !!! And in fairness he needs to erect a monument !!!

                He was killed for this .. But there is a monument! soldier
                They wanted to intimidate the real Russian officers with this, by a show trial and then by shooting ... Many were frightened, but not EVERYTHING! hi
                Quote: The same LYOKHA
                Budanov is a sore subject for me ... a well-deserved military officer ... but he was stupidly burned down after committing a series of inexcusable acts.

                Everything was dull there .. It was no accident that this topic was quickly extinguished in all the media of "our" ... Eternal memory to him! there are less and less such officers in Russia! soldier
                1. Nehist
                  Nehist 8 June 2020 13: 11 New
                  0
                  They put it out in the media ... But among people there isn’t
  • your1970
    your1970 8 June 2020 12: 05 New
    +1
    Yeah...
    Situation...
    Everyone shouts - "Give me the law !!", and right there - they demand according to the concepts ...

    Law the only way there is to keep money (2,5 million) from the person who made the payment.
    But they did not initiate a criminal case (in theory they should have) - although everyone admits that the money was paid to veterans illegally.
    Trouble is that most likely there is an incorrect wording in the payment documents ...
    Now the only option is to recover from the person who approved the documents for payment and wait 10 years for compensation within the framework of a civil lawsuit .....
    1. Nehist
      Nehist 8 June 2020 12: 11 New
      -2
      Fiercely plus! For the comment !!! And again dialectics !!! Is this legal?
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 8 June 2020 12: 15 New
      0
      Quote: your1970
      the only option is to recover from the person who approved the documents for payment and wait 10 years for compensation within the framework of a civil lawsuit .....

      Not the only one. To confer and spend this amount on a thread of expenditure. Of course, after agreement at the top. And the law will be respected, and everyone will be satisfied. Voila.
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 8 June 2020 12: 24 New
        +1
        Oh how !!! But what about the LAW?
        1. your1970
          your1970 8 June 2020 17: 01 New
          0
          there is still more fun

          2019(!!!!)
          "Over Cupid money goes gloomy
          Veterans of the conflict on Damansky turned to the courts for payments on Victory Day
          Newspaper "Kommersant" No 99 on 10.06.2019/4/XNUMX, p. XNUMX
          As Kommersant learned, participants in the events on Damansky Island in March 1969 are suing the authorities, seeking payments and compensation for non-pecuniary damage. The problem arose due to the fact that war veterans, including those awarded with orders and medals, were recognized as participants in the Great Patriotic War back in the 1980s by issuing appropriate certificates, and now the pension fund departments refuse them payments to Victory Day, citing the fact that they do not comply with the provisions of the presidential decree, and the plaintiffs themselves were not yet born during World War II.
          According to Kommersant's information, the claims of the veterans of the events in Damanskoye, which celebrated their 50th anniversary this year, were considered, in particular, by the courts of the Amur, Irkutsk, Vologda and Tomsk regions, as well as the Khabarovsk and Altai territories. The applicants demanded to declare illegal the refusal of the regional departments of the Russian Pension Fund (PFR) to assign them a one-time payment of 10 thousand rubles, which, according to the veterans, they should have received in accordance with the decree of President Vladimir Putin on Victory Day in the Great Patriotic War. war. The plaintiffs requested that the courts order the FIU to make payments. However, some of them insisted that the fund in the amount of up to 100 thousand rubles. compensated them for the moral damage caused by the initial refusal, and in addition, reimbursed the costs of lawyers. "

          The first court issued decisions on refusal of payments - the second court quashed part of the decisions. That is why there is no criminal case on overpayment - the FIU complied with the court’s decisions ..
          Now it all goes on ...
      2. your1970
        your1970 8 June 2020 12: 56 New
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        Quote: Paranoid50
        To confer and spend this amount on a thread of expenditure.

        This is the misuse of funds ...

        For understanding - warrant officer ( PFR girls) drunk ( due to a controversial regulatory framework) issued from the warehouse not to those who are entitled by law to KamAZ butter (money to veterans).
        And now the question is - can a regiment commander legal ways (so that he was not taken for sirloin!) to close this shortage ????
        You are just suggesting the option - "write oil on the previously dismissed conscripts .... Well, or ate the mice !!!!" lol
        Is this method legal ??? lol yeah ...
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 8 June 2020 13: 08 New
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          Quote: your1970
          this way ???

          There are many articles on which you can write off funds. Again, all through coordination.
          1. your1970
            your1970 8 June 2020 13: 21 New
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            Quote: Paranoid50
            Quote: your1970
            this way ???

            There are many articles on which you can write off funds. Again, all through coordination.

            If it were possible to write off the right-of-head of administrations for the misuse of funds would not infringe ... The most massive - misuse ...
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 8 June 2020 15: 43 New
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    Unfortunately, I state the fact !!! Russia is not a state!

    I wonder where you are broadcasting from. Where and what is YOUR state?
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 June 2020 11: 42 New
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    Cyril G ...
    In general, officials are obliged to pay for their personal mistakes
    If the officials. Have you seen who makes accruals in the PNF? Young girls. Without looking, they made a computer sample for veterans and ... And the fact that the regional leadership found a compromise and the fund did not take the money back suggests that the regional officials in this case were just fine fellows.
    1. your1970
      your1970 8 June 2020 12: 20 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      And the fact that the leadership of the region found a compromise solution and the fund did not take the money back suggests that the regional officials in this case are just fine fellows.

      These fellows will fly in, with any financial check, "for misuse of funds."
      Yes, yes, for the apparatus of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation, this will be the purest "inappropriate" - they have no right to just transfer money to the Pension Fund of Russia.
      Most likely - at the level of the governor of the Pension Fund of Russia it was said "Do what you want, but you cannot take money !! and I will not give you money from the budget either !!"
      The only more or less legal option is to hang on
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Young girls.
      refund of this money
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 8 June 2020 17: 18 New
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        Quote: your1970
        The only more or less legal option is to hang on
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Young girls.
        refund of this money

        For a long time, back in the 90s, in my opinion, I read a similar story. The kiosker was mistaken and sold a batch of toys at a cost ten times less (she did not write an extra zero on the price tag). In general, when this was discovered, I began to write announcements with a request to return the toys or pay extra money. All returned and paid extra, who could. Completely, sort of. And here, a negative attitude towards employees of the FIU is clearly visible. But those are toys. And how to return if someone from the database veterans has already spent money on a gift, bought something expensive there and presented it to someone? These are not toys, after all. I would advise these girls to bow to the veterans and explain the situation, instead of sending pieces of paper, since there are addresses. Well, they don’t want to, let them pay themselves to the fund. recourse
        1. your1970
          your1970 8 June 2020 17: 54 New
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          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Well, they don’t want to, let them pay themselves to the fund.
          -there is more fun, the author did not write all the information ... there the courts of two instances already made decisions - starting from last year ... my post is higher .. a difficult situation with the status of participants ...
          And I still thought - why is there no crime ??
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 8 June 2020 17: 58 New
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            Quote: your1970
            And I still thought - why is there no crime ??

            As grandfather Lenin used to say: "Formally, everything is correct, but in essence it is an outrage."
    2. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 8 June 2020 19: 14 New
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      regional officials in this case are just great.

      regional officials in this case were afraid of bullying the yellow press and violated the law, for which they must answer
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 8 June 2020 11: 43 New
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    ,
    The FIU could and would often make mistakes in favor of people ...
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 8 June 2020 19: 18 New
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      We are mistaken, and then everyone is forced to pay back. No one is outraged, everyone understands that the money was paid illegally. If a large amount is scattered for several years. This is how the law should work.
  • really
    really 8 June 2020 11: 46 New
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    For these participants over 70, pensioners, combatants, defended the country, are no different from WWII warriors, were also injured, passed the law and encouraged every year.
  • FIR FIR
    FIR FIR 8 June 2020 11: 48 New
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    received more than 50 combatants ...

    `` Poor officials, '' paid 50 military veterans money and almost shed tears. It's good that they were smart enough not to take it. You read and it becomes insulting for the state. Veterans should receive SUCH WORTHY pensions so that they do not need to cut out any payments.
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 8 June 2020 12: 53 New
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      So it is only in the Amur region. Accidentally paid? And they should pay in all areas. Or is it some kind of underparticipants or the conflict was not military?
  • iouris
    iouris 8 June 2020 11: 57 New
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    Actually, China must pay: it is now their island.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 8 June 2020 12: 14 New
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    The FIU should be closed altogether - another laying company, which is necessary only for itself. The Ministry of Finance may, in the old fashion, directly pay pensions, and not through an intermediary who plucks a lot on its contents, it is not clear why. That's where the ERROR is! And it is necessary to correct it to the Guarantor, otherwise he laments that they say that if the PFR palaces and the vehicle fleet are sold, then this will not be enough for the payment of pensions!
    So, let them continue to parasitize, since the damage inflicted will still not be returned? The logic of Vladimir Vladimirovich, a candidate for a fifth term!
    It’s time for the candidate to outline a different program, except for the rocked boat and megafantastic muddy national projects.
  • lubesky
    lubesky 8 June 2020 15: 57 New
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    Just 50 people in total. If there were more, not only would they be seized, but they would also be fined for silence about the erroneous transfer
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