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The network discusses the topic of "nationalization" of the Norilsk Nickel company

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The events that led to the spill of oil products in Norilsk and the environmental disaster were continued. One of them is reflections on the possible nationalization of Norilsk Nickel by Vladimir Potanin. The direction of the discussion is if Norilsk Nickel itself is not able to control the work of its companies and is unable to cope with an environmental disaster without the help of the Ministry of Emergencies, then the company has problems with management. Accordingly, the company could go into state ownership.


But not so simple. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that “they haven’t heard anything about this in the Kremlin” and that “there is no theme for the nationalization of Norilsk Nickel.”

In the Agitprop program, Konstantin Semin indicates that many defenders of Vladimir Potanin, the first on the Russian Forbes list, came running. In the form of protection, more than strange arguments are presented in favor of Norilsk Nickel, either about global warming, which “flooded” the permafrost at TPP-3, or about the fault of the USSR, which did something wrong “in the north”.

Konstantin Semin:

Nothing will happen to anyone in connection with the accident. Well, was there anything to Chubais after the accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya hydroelectric station?

The next issue of "Agitprop":

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  1. Lexus
    Lexus 8 June 2020 14: 57 New
    11
    The network discusses the topic of "nationalization" of the Norilsk Nickel company

    To nationalize the losses, to eliminate the consequences of the disaster for public money, and then to privatize it again? Bravo! Applause!
    In the Agitprop program, Konstantin Semin indicates that many defenders of Vladimir Potanin, the first on the Russian Forbes list, came running.

    Now paid defenders of all with the surname beginning with "p" will run into VO and start screaming that we have "hpp" for everything.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 8 June 2020 15: 05 New
      +9
      But not so simple. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said “they haven’t heard anything about this in the Kremlin”

      Not surprisingly: the Kremlin did not immediately hear about the leak of diesel fuel in Norilsk Nickel, and even that from social networks! yes
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 8 June 2020 15: 12 New
        14
        Alexander, alas, we are already accustomed to the fact that they don’t see anything from the Kremlin, they don’t hear and carry anything. Old age, apparently, they are no longer in joy.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 8 June 2020 15: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: lexus
          Alexander, alas, we are already accustomed to the fact that they don’t see anything from the Kremlin, they don’t hear and carry anything.

          But I’m wondering: whose disadvantages flew away - Potanin or the Kremlin? recourse
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 8 June 2020 15: 30 New
            +4
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            whose disadvantages are these

            From the Kremlin Potanin! recourse
          2. hydrox
            hydrox 8 June 2020 19: 39 New
            +7
            The minus will be the population.
            You are aware that the amount of costs for damages is about 2% of Potanin’s profit for 19 year. That's just lake. Pyasina (whitefish and vendace supplies for the population of the okrug and Norilsk) for 10 years will certainly not restore the ecological balance.
            By the way, it’s interesting from which lake Norilsk feeds tap water (and the water there was excellent before!)
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 8 June 2020 16: 12 New
          -3
          Quote: lexus
          Alexander, alas, we are already accustomed to the fact that they don’t see anything from the Kremlin, they don’t hear and carry anything. Old age, apparently, they are no longer in joy.

          Is that really true? Did Peskov really say these words?
          If so, then woe to us woe.
        3. tank64rus
          tank64rus 9 June 2020 15: 52 New
          +4
          It turns out that our rule of law is contrary to common sense. Well, what is visible is true.
        4. Campanella
          Campanella 9 June 2020 22: 15 New
          +2
          In their youth in the Kremlin they did not listen to anyone, they built their communism.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 8 June 2020 15: 06 New
      +7
      Exactly ! Something like that !
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 8 June 2020 15: 25 New
        10
        My picture below, of course, from the storehouse, RAO "UES" has long been safely taken away, and "a fraction" of "works" in another, no less important / profitable direction, but its relevance has only increased. The thief is still not in prison, but the whole huge country is specifically "put on the counter", with the exception of the homies, of course.
    3. Malyuta
      Malyuta 8 June 2020 15: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: lexus
      Now paid defenders of all with the surname on "p" will run into VO and start screaming that we have "hpp" for everything

      Sterkhozavisimy bunkeroman will be wondering for a long time why potanin poured 20 thousand tons of diesel fuel into the river, provided that CHP-3 runs on gas, in the sense of natural. belay
      Threat. all the same, it turns out that potanin is an American shpien? what
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 8 June 2020 15: 33 New
        -1
        Quote: Malyuta
        20 thousand tons of solariums

        So they have been flooded since the time of the seizure, and stood there until the tank flowed! belay
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 8 June 2020 19: 05 New
          +6
          Strange, but I thought that everyone is aware that standby generators are turning diesel engines ...
          Oh woe to me, woe ...
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 8 June 2020 15: 52 New
        12
        Sterkhozavisimy bunkeroman will be wondering for a long time why potanin poured 20 thousand tons of diesel fuel into the river, provided that CHP-3 runs on gas, in the sense of natural. belay
        Threat. all the same, it turns out that potanin is an American shpien?

        Colleague, who else, if not you, should know that gasdep and its 125th convoy have been driving fuel prices in Russia for a long time.))) And just like the Norilsk accident, prices, once again, went up ... You cannot deliberately think of a more convenient position for "zeroing".
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 8 June 2020 16: 11 New
          0
          Quote: lexus
          Colleague, who else, if not you, should know that gasdep and its 125th convoy have been driving fuel prices in Russia for a long time.))) And just like the Norilsk accident, prices, once again, went up ... You cannot deliberately think of a more convenient position for "zeroing".

          Thank you, Comrade! I knew that there were enemies all around, but not to the same extent belay It is a pity that dear Vladimir Vladimirovich does not know all this repeat
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 8 June 2020 17: 14 New
            +6
            It is a pity that dear Vladimir Vladimirovich does not know all this



      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 8 June 2020 16: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Malyuta
        provided that CHP-3 runs on gas, in the sense of natural.

        Downloaded at low prices? It turns out that the Arabs spoiled us all the same?
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 8 June 2020 16: 05 New
          +5
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Downloaded at low prices? It turns out that the Arabs spoiled us all the same?

          I always said that you can’t trust them and they still shit, directly into the river. Overlooked, damn it. No.
      4. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 8 June 2020 16: 03 New
        -14
        Quote: Malyuta
        Why did Potanin pour 20 thousand tons of solariums into the river, provided that CHPP-3 runs on gas, in the sense of natural

        For the gifted trolls:

        Norilsk CHP-3 runs on gas, diesel fuel is reserve for her
        Read more: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2020/06/07/razliv-topliva-na-tec-3-v-norilske-pervye-itogi-proverok-ozvuchat-v-iyune
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 11 June 2020 12: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          For especially gifted trolls:

          Golovan, don't bother people to work, their order has already been paid for! Moreover, the liberals were ordered to otmazy Patanin, and the "communists" were ordered to transfer all the arrows to Putin! Most of all, I feel sorry for the ideological, they are the easiest to cheat and lead to barricades under bullets instead of themselves .. because the same, Lexus ????
      5. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 8 June 2020 18: 59 New
        +2
        Diesel fuel is a reserve fuel for a thermal power plant in case of a gas outage. So in almost any power plant. The main fuel is gas or coal, and the backup fuel is boiler fuel oil.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 8 June 2020 19: 44 New
          +4
          In the North, in the reserve, mainly diesel generators are frosts, you know, cruel ...
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 8 June 2020 20: 16 New
            0
            How do you replace DHA with CHP? CHP is not only electricity, but also hot water.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 8 June 2020 20: 45 New
              -2
              Without electricity, you know, no accident can be fixed.
              And in order to know this, in the North you need to visit at least once and see for yourself that even the smallest independent unit there has its own emergency diesel engine.
              And God forbid, if the commission from the district finds it faulty ...
    4. RUSS
      RUSS 8 June 2020 15: 21 New
      -19
      No need to listen to the loser Semin, he was kicked out of the Russia 1 channel, now he mastered the Internet, and there he releases his non-professional videos. .
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 8 June 2020 15: 56 New
        13
        Quote: RUSS
        No need to listen to the loser Semin, he was kicked off from Russia 1

        And what is there to watch? TV series about the Khatsapet milkmaids and Petrosyan laughable panoramas?
    5. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 8 June 2020 15: 24 New
      19
      Quote: lexus
      Nationalize losses

      But do not nationalize. It is necessary to confiscate. Nornickel went to potanin through a mortgage auction. Read through theft in especially large. Simply put, Norilsk Nickel is stolen property. And the stolen goods are only confiscated, but they are not nationalized or privatized in any way.
      Quote: lexus
      for people's money to eliminate the consequences of the disaster

      It seems that seized from potanin, after its landing, is enough to eliminate a dozen of these consequences. And still will be. Plus the property of all \, without exception, whose signatures are on the papers on the privatization of Norilsk Nickel. The crime is committed by a group of persons, by prior conspiracy. So, according to the Criminal Code, everyone should sit.
      But this is if you live according to the law, and not according to the concepts of a sun-faced one, playing the role of a godfather, supervising the common fund and ruining the life of Russia according to the rules of the zone ..
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 8 June 2020 20: 37 New
        +6
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        But do not nationalize. It is necessary to confiscate. Nornickel

        Here I agree. They all grabbed it, taking advantage of the helplessness of the state and the venality of bureaucrats ...
    6. credo
      credo 8 June 2020 15: 44 New
      12
      Quote: lexus
      The network discusses the topic of "nationalization" of the Norilsk Nickel company

      To nationalize the losses, to eliminate the consequences of the disaster for public money, and then to privatize it again? Bravo! Applause!
      In the Agitprop program, Konstantin Semin indicates that many defenders of Vladimir Potanin, the first on the Russian Forbes list, came running.

      Now paid defenders of all with the surname beginning with "p" will run into VO and start screaming that we have "hpp" for everything.

      I don’t understand why it is necessary to nationalize when an environmental disaster just happened and you need to first think about something else and act differently, for example:
      - impose a ban on the withdrawal of the assets of Norilsk Nickel and its shareholders (Potanin, Abramovich and others) abroad,
      - assess the real amount of damage and transfer the case to court to recover it from the guilty legal entity and its owners,
      - to limit the use of Norilsk Nickel funds only for production activities and the elimination of damage,
      - others in the same vein of action.
      And only then offer nationalization. Maybe by that time the owners themselves would come to this thought.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 8 June 2020 15: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: credo
        - to limit the use of Norilsk Nickel funds only for production activities and the elimination of damage,

        Do you have confidence that the Nornickel is not the property of Cyprus or the Order of Malta from Bermuda?
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 8 June 2020 15: 53 New
          +4
          30,4% - the shares belonged to the president of the holding company "Olderfrey Holdings Ltd" Vladimir Potanin,
          27,8% - the company "Rusal" (UC Rusal) Oleg Deripaska,
          4,2% - Crispian Investments Ltd Roman Abramovich and Alexander Abramov
          The main shareholders of the company at the end of 2016 [17]:

          30,03% of the shares belonged to Vladimir Potanin's Interros holding,
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 8 June 2020 16: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            30,03% of the shares belonged to Vladimir Potanin's Interros holding,

            Now I don’t understand at all how our dear Vladimir Vladimirovich could be friends with such a reptile as a bourgeois and a pest? request
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 8 June 2020 16: 10 New
            +9
            The question is where all these companies are registered.
          3. Lexus
            Lexus 8 June 2020 16: 16 New
            11
            Vladimir, assets owned by shareholders may well be managed by offshore companies. Well, if funds are withdrawn for a communal apartment without any problems, then these have no difficulties at all. And there they don’t violate the main American law, because the Russian hands are short, only they get to pensioners and pimple teens.
        2. Lexus
          Lexus 8 June 2020 16: 01 New
          +1
          - impose a ban on the withdrawal of the assets of Nornickel and its shareholders (Potanin, Abramovich and others) abroad

          Do you have confidence that the Nornickel is not the property of Cyprus or the Order of Malta from Bermuda?

          Exactly! good It is very problematic to prohibit the conclusion of what has long been there.
        3. credo
          credo 8 June 2020 16: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: Malyuta
          Quote: credo
          - to limit the use of Norilsk Nickel funds only for production activities and the elimination of damage,

          Do you have confidence that the Nornickel is not the property of Cyprus or the Order of Malta from Bermuda?

          My and I think your confidence in the inevitability of punishment of the guilty should be based on the fact that any enterprise, regardless of its form of ownership and ultimate beneficiaries, operating in the territory of our homeland with you, must answer only according to Russian laws, which have priority over all laws of others countries of the world and international treaties. And the point.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 8 June 2020 19: 15 New
            -4
            Here, in particular, Putin is in a hurry to declare the priority of Russian law over foreign, but the pence in the Constitution does not want to benefit: there is nothing about either welfare or guarantees ...
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 8 June 2020 18: 10 New
        -1
        a ban on the withdrawal of the assets of Nornickel and its shareholders (Potanin, Abramovich and others) abroad,
        At the time of the general crisis, Roman Abramovich shouted heart-rendingly about himself to the whole world, having just bought at the Sotheby's auction the most famous painting by the Norwegian artist Edvard Munch "The Scream" for 120 million dollars.
    7. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 8 June 2020 16: 08 New
      -3
      Quote: lexus

      To nationalize the losses, to eliminate the consequences of the disaster for public money, and then to privatize it again? Bravo! Applause!

      So and so the Ministry of Emergencies will eliminate the consequences, not Potanin. He does not have such services.
      And since the Ministry of Emergencies, then naturally for our account. Alas.
      And nationalization makes sense only when there is no question of subsequent privatization.
      1. unaha
        unaha 8 June 2020 17: 27 New
        +3
        Why at our expense? That's why there are fines from companies that caused the damage, that's how they took $ 20,8 billion from BP to compensate for the damage to the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico in 2010.
        Well, this does not take into account all our local Russian features.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 8 June 2020 20: 46 New
          0
          Quote: unaha
          Well, this does not take into account all our local Russian features.

          Voot, the keywords are local Russian features.
          I also really want it to be the way you dream.
    8. antivirus
      antivirus 8 June 2020 16: 16 New
      -1
      How is Alexander Stalevich doing? what does he see in such an oil industry?
    9. Nikolay87
      Nikolay87 8 June 2020 20: 29 New
      -2
      Quote: lexus
      The network discusses the topic of "nationalization" of the Norilsk Nickel company

      To nationalize the losses, to eliminate the consequences of the disaster for public money, and then to privatize it again? Bravo! Applause!
      In the Agitprop program, Konstantin Semin indicates that many defenders of Vladimir Potanin, the first on the Russian Forbes list, came running.

      Now paid defenders of all with the surname beginning with "p" will run into VO and start screaming that we have "hpp" for everything.

      What is most terrible, you are right. But THIS will happen anyway, even if there are no such state of emergency, it is enough to simply become a loss-making company.
    10. DVR
      DVR 8 June 2020 23: 23 New
      +2
      Now paid defenders of all with the surname beginning with "p" will run into VO and start screaming that we have "hpp" for everything.

      Yes, indeed, what can we talk about 116-FZ, production control, those appointed by order of those responsible for the operation of the hazardous industrial facilities, the actions of Rostekhnadzor inspectors during routine inspections, diagnostics and expert examination of industrial safety, the safety management system (if the class is higher than III), and statistics on accidents at fuel and energy facilities and man-made disasters in the USSR, Russia and the world as a whole and other things. The same accidents at oil depots (including those with the instant destruction of reservoirs) from the 60s will amount to tens and hundreds of victims. Touching on this topic, saw exclusive footage.
      It is definitely impossible to protect those responsible for what happened.
      Moreover, Guilty has already been appointed.
      I propose to think more broadly, comrades, and consider the issue of placing on Blame (and his "friends") full responsibility for the Chernobyl nuclear power plant (1986), the explosion of trains near Ufa (1989, 575 people), the Kurenev tragedy (1961 year, about 1,5 people), although in 1961 he was still small, but we know what he is capable of. The list goes on and on.
      Well, who, if not he, and the oligarch’s friends could do this?
      1. DVR
        DVR 9 June 2020 01: 10 New
        +3
        Kurenev tragedy (1961, about 1,5 people)

        1.5 thousand people
      2. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 10 June 2020 12: 23 New
        +2
        Well, a clear stump. I recall a joke of the 70s:
        Early in the evening, late in the morning! Early in the evening, late in the morning! What to do?! What to do?! - Uncle Volodya, at night! - (stroking the head) - That's right, Lenya! At night!
        So we know who ran around this tank with a grinder.
    11. Yngvar
      Yngvar 9 June 2020 06: 34 New
      +4
      Under current realities:
      1. Nationalization of Norilsk Nickel is a pipe dream.
      2. Potanin will not suffer in any way, from the word at all.
      3. The guilty will be appointed from among the techies-managers, who were not given money for the repair (reconstruction, construction of a new one) of these tanks by the company's financiers-economists (the capacity is iron that it will be, so there is no point in spending on it. "let's fire!).
      4. Measures to restore the ecological balance will soon cease without normalizing, at least partially, the situation.
  2. lubesky
    lubesky 8 June 2020 15: 02 New
    +3
    If our nationalization was a real nationalization - I am for all the limbs. But in fact, we just have a redistribution and change the sign. For example, they bought a controlling stake in Sberbank - and so what? I am silent about the progressive movements in the economy, but even in the Crimea, Sberbank will not appear.
    1. unaha
      unaha 8 June 2020 17: 33 New
      +5
      And what do you see the positive aspects of nationalization? Take half a trillion rubles of debt to the budget? Take all sanctions on the export-oriented company and close its markets? Or is there confidence in improving the quality of management, the appointment of managers on the basis of competence, and not proximity?
      1. lubesky
        lubesky 8 June 2020 17: 42 New
        +1
        In short - margin control, reducing the cost of resources and energy within the country at times, leaving a high redistribution in private hands with control of the vacation margin. Give a huge impetus to the development of the economy, etc. But all this is useless without a comprehensive reform.
        1. unaha
          unaha 8 June 2020 18: 23 New
          +2
          "control of the margin, reduction of the cost of resources and energy inside the country at times" - well, we have already gone through all this ... Everyone immediately forgets about reducing costs - why, it's all cheap and you can safely pour diesel fuel into the sea, into a ravine, sell it to private traders , scrap metal is scattered everywhere and costs in kind are growing in general. It is impossible to pull only part of the economy into socialism))). All either there or here.
          1. lubesky
            lubesky 8 June 2020 18: 31 New
            -2
            But I didn’t talk about socialism and I didn’t talk about the state plan and state budget and I didn’t talk about command prices from the center. What I offer - we did not pass.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 8 June 2020 19: 22 New
              +2
              Have you not passed the privatization of the electric power industry? Strange ...
              What, has the electricity become cheaper after privatization and is it time to nationalize it back?
              And how do you feel about the cost of heat in housing and communal services?
              1. lubesky
                lubesky 8 June 2020 19: 56 New
                -2
                We are talking about the same thing, if you are commenting, read all posts
      2. lubesky
        lubesky 8 June 2020 17: 46 New
        -1
        You better comment if 2% of the population produces 40% of the planet’s minerals, as you see the situation in the country, do you think you can do without a large redistribution and nationalization of production? Or are you a supporter of the idea of ​​NOT revising privatization
        1. unaha
          unaha 8 June 2020 18: 27 New
          +3
          I’m a supporter no matter what position (even if it’s bad at the moment), but stable! That is, so that neither legislation, nor the tax system, nor political situation changes at least for a significant period of time on a historical scale. Without predictability (it is better of course that predictability be with a positive sign) in general, development is unrealistic.
      3. lubesky
        lubesky 8 June 2020 17: 51 New
        +3
        As if top management is competent now. I do not see the queue for our tops from behind the hill
        1. unaha
          unaha 8 June 2020 18: 16 New
          +2
          It is difficult to say how competent the current leaders are - I did not analyze (but yes, they can’t see the lines). However, in the case of nationalization, it probably will not get better. It is generally difficult to judge the quality of management of state corporations - they are not public, indicators are not particularly disclosed.
        2. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 10 June 2020 00: 52 New
          -1
          "top" in our realities is based on the "legally" privatized inheritance
          I did not write anything new.
          Managers from resources / production (what remains), even sports !! Apologists, answer, about really created (bridge one)
          All efficiency, as with beds in civilian hospitals, is a reduction.
          This spill, for me, has something in common with drowning, not without a well-known dock: yes, it was old) he is to blame!))
      4. lubesky
        lubesky 8 June 2020 18: 07 New
        +2
        We can’t take half a trillion rubles to the budget, but can we give out trillions to the private banking sector for support?
        1. unaha
          unaha 8 June 2020 18: 31 New
          +4
          Well, somewhere above I wrote about the features of the national economy))) We have it ... where you need to make a profit - it’s so private right away, and where to write off the losses - state-owned.
    2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 8 June 2020 23: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: lubesky
      bought a controlling stake in Sberbank - and so what?

      This is not the nationalization of the asset, but the "privatization" (from the Central Bank to the banks and further) of the part of the NWF spent on the "purchase" of the asset from itself.
      People take denyuzhku out of legal entities this way - "buying" services for their legal entity from themselves, only as from an individual (renting an office, personal car, etc.). The scheme is not tricky, it is used in large quantities. Optimization of the tax burden is called.
      1. lubesky
        lubesky 8 June 2020 23: 42 New
        -2
        I agree, I gave an example of sber - as a pseudo nationalization in my first post
  3. 210ox
    210ox 8 June 2020 15: 03 New
    +7
    Yeah. The Soviet legacy also has a resource. Especially now, when all this is mercilessly exploited by characters who have nothing to do with creation
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 8 June 2020 15: 37 New
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      have nothing to do with creation

      And yachts, more aircraft carriers, sports clubs and palaces in the warmest regions? repeat
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 8 June 2020 15: 58 New
        +1
        So they are in warm places.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 8 June 2020 16: 14 New
        +5
        Yes, even yachts the size of an aircraft carrier were not created by them, and not by us.
    2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 9 June 2020 00: 53 New
      -1
      Quote: 210ox
      The Soviet legacy also has a resource.

      Such a reservoir for 40 years is usually designed, with the specified number of filling-emptying cycles not exceeded. At the CHPP - it was hardly exceeded; this is not required there. Maybe, of course, the tank itself has worn out, but maybe the soil conditions have really changed. With changing temperatures of permafrost soils, their bearing capacity changes significantly, and permafrost is now degrading everywhere on our ball. A pile in permafrost generally bears a shear strength on the surface of freezing with soil - here the dependence is directly complete on temperature. In this case, regular geocryological monitoring is required there, which costs good money.
    3. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 10 June 2020 00: 57 New
      -1
      Quote: 210ox
      Yeah. The Soviet legacy also has a resource. Especially now, when all this is mercilessly exploited by characters who have nothing to do with creation

      These characters are called "effective manager")))))
      Nonsense unimaginable, wrapped in pathos (by the way, also management)
      ))))
      Yesterday's thimble, in the flea market, is also effective)))
      Other words, and ... voila !!!
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 8 June 2020 15: 10 New
    +1
    It seems necessary to tighten the rules, laws and so on, for resources and the environment !!! But there is a fear that this will simply increase, fill the feeding trough for corrupt officials!
    I don’t want to remind about oak laws and fake execution.
  5. codetalker
    codetalker 8 June 2020 15: 50 New
    +1
    The question, of course, is complicated. Requires expert review. Although the managerial opportunity for such a decision (nationalization) now exists. But there are no guarantees that the exact same leadership will not be lobbied through state bodies and appointed to the state enterprise. And on the other hand, good governance of the private sector can ensure the work of private organizations for the interests of the state and society. I think it’s important in this situation to restore order in the state administration of this growth. So that finally all sorts of oversight would begin to supervise, governors to work, and so on. This whole situation with Nornickel, of course, does not allow solving this problem at once, but a significant step forward can be made.
  6. lubesky
    lubesky 8 June 2020 16: 00 New
    -1
    Eh, but weakly nationalizing the entire "corporation" at once?
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 8 June 2020 16: 43 New
      +1
      And where to put top managers? Well, they are all friends-comrades themselves-you know-whom.
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 8 June 2020 19: 52 New
      +2
      Just try it!
      Well then from Russia, if the wet spot remains ...
      Their income is much larger than our defense budget.
    3. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 10 June 2020 01: 01 New
      0
      AND,..???
      Get the characters of well-known state corporations ???)))
      The question in the system, in principle, is probably
  7. credo
    credo 8 June 2020 16: 04 New
    +2
    At the current stage of the accident results, nationalization will not be a panacea, but only an additional brake on solving the problem. Let's leave it for later when the owners themselves ripen.
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 10 June 2020 01: 04 New
      -1
      Ripen to what ???
      Chessword I do not understand to what extent the leader of a monopoly, with a salary of millions, should "mature" by hand))) he is "immature" what for ???
      And then, if so, why is he there ???)))))
      It seems like not children, in terms of age
  8. fa2998
    fa2998 8 June 2020 16: 12 New
    +2
    And it is interesting this year that the management of Norilsk Nickel will "assign" bonuses of billions of rubles to themselves? Surely! They will say that we worked "as much as soap", they will appoint the culprit (from the thermal power station), and let the Emergencies Ministry and the army restore order.
    To honestly assess the cost of work to eliminate the accident. And to recover from Norilsk Nickel through the courts. With the arrest of accounts and a temporary moratorium on shares, etc.
    Well, the "friend of the president" will move from the first to the 3-5th place, Forbes, he will steal more! hi hi
  9. Prisoner
    Prisoner 8 June 2020 16: 41 New
    +4
    After hacking in the Gulf of Mexico, no one analyzed. Let them clean and restore the ecosystem. The guilty will be jailed. Then they will analyze it. And God forbid they ask for money from the budget! And God forbid they will, having taken away pensioners, state employees and other unprotected layers of the population! Then it remains to multiply two by two, EPRST!
  10. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 8 June 2020 17: 02 New
    +3
    Sooner or later, they will still be nationalized. Otherwise, the country will get the final skiff from such "effective managers" who took it for a penny, and transferred billions to the West.
    "Norilsk Nickel is one of the most profitable enterprises in the world in its sector. Low costs help. And they can be kept at a low level because the main capital investments were made even before the restructuring. The last major modernization was carried out in 1972, so wear and tear fixed assets have already exceeded 70%.
    The need for a large-scale reconstruction of Norilsk has been discussed for a long time. The plant itself, mines, thermal power plants, utilities - all this is Soviet, they began to build under Stalin, finished under Brezhnev. "

    "Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich bought the most expensive villa in Israel for $ 65 million.
    Abramovich also owns a number of other real estate in Israel, including the Barsano Hotel in Tel Aviv.

    Previously, photos of the interior of the Russian oligarch's personal plane were published on the network. He owns three planes: Boeing 737-700, Boeing 767-300 and Boeing 767-33A ER, with a total value of around £ 400 million. The latter is considered a favorite of Abramovich, he even has a nickname - "bandit". "
    https://lenta.ru/news/2020/06/02/villa
  11. Assyrian
    Assyrian 8 June 2020 17: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: credo
    My and I think your confidence in the inevitability of punishment of the guilty should be based on the fact that any enterprise, regardless of its form of ownership and ultimate beneficiaries, operating in the territory of our homeland with you, must answer only according to Russian laws, which have priority over all laws of others countries of the world and international treaties. And the point.

    Federal Law No. 116 "On industrial safety ....."
    All this is spelled out there. So tough that if God forbid ..... better hang yourself.
    And the President persuades him live to eliminate the consequences.
  12. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 8 June 2020 17: 12 New
    0
    Who will be responsible for the ecological catastrophe of the North of Russia and the Arctic on a national scale? How many more trillions of dollars will be exported from Russia by "effective owners". And how much longer will we raise the West from its knees with Russia's resources?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 8 June 2020 19: 57 New
      +3
      Pets ...
  13. Shahno
    Shahno 8 June 2020 17: 17 New
    -3
    Quote: Old Horseradish
    Sooner or later, they will still be nationalized. Otherwise, the country will get the final skiff from such "effective managers" who took it for a penny, and transferred billions to the West.
    "Norilsk Nickel is one of the most profitable enterprises in the world in its sector. Low costs help. And they can be kept at a low level because the main capital investments were made even before the restructuring. The last major modernization was carried out in 1972, so wear and tear fixed assets have already exceeded 70%.
    The need for a large-scale reconstruction of Norilsk has been discussed for a long time. The plant itself, mines, thermal power plants, utilities - all this is Soviet, they began to build under Stalin, finished under Brezhnev. "

    "Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich bought the most expensive villa in Israel for $ 65 million.
    Abramovich also owns a number of other real estate in Israel, including the Barsano Hotel in Tel Aviv.

    Previously, photos of the interior of the Russian oligarch's personal plane were published on the network. He owns three planes: Boeing 737-700, Boeing 767-300 and Boeing 767-33A ER, with a total value of around £ 400 million. The latter is considered a favorite of Abramovich, he even has a nickname - "bandit". "
    https://lenta.ru/news/2020/06/02/villa

    Last? Mr. Sterling ...
    By the way, who is it nearby?
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 9 June 2020 03: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Shahno
      who is this nearby?
      Potanin.
  14. Campanella
    Campanella 8 June 2020 17: 24 New
    0
    What can I say effective private business. One of Forbes leaders showed himself in all its glory. And what can I say to create state property is one thing, and to create a business from scratch and bring it to a high level is another.
    Apologists for an effective private business have something to think about.
  15. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 8 June 2020 17: 33 New
    +4
    at least, it is necessary to fine the owners and managers of the company ... so that the people know who the power is in the country ... otherwise it will also be clear who the power is ...
  16. Maks1995
    Maks1995 8 June 2020 17: 44 New
    0
    First, he comes up with a stupid idea "the company could go into state ownership.", And then they refute it.

    Of course, the oligarchs are inviolable. And what stir up something? For a state account, they will help to remove everything.
  17. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 8 June 2020 17: 45 New
    +5
    Yes, you forget about the environment! Why do natives and Indians need ecology? Here is Roma Abramovich! - I bought a painting for $ 120 million. Moreover, the money earned honestly!
    You ask: "Why does Old Horseradish write about Roma's painting on the Military Review?"
    One picture of Roma is almost 60 T-90 tanks. Here a whole tribe of zombies howls together when one boat is put into operation. And here is 60! tanks with one picture. So I live like this. Two tank battalions of modern T-90 tanks! And this is from one picture. And if we ply his villa in Israel there, we get a clean tank regiment. This is arithmetic!
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 8 June 2020 17: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      Yes, you forget about the environment! Why do natives and Indians need ecology? Here is Roma Abramovich! - I bought a painting for $ 120 million. Moreover, the money earned honestly!
      You ask: "Why does Old Horseradish write about Roma's painting on the Military Review?"
      One picture of Roma is almost 60 T-90 tanks. Here a whole tribe of zombies howls together when one boat is put into operation. And here is 60! tanks with one picture. So I live like this. Two tank battalions of modern T-90 tanks! And this is from one picture. And if we ply his villa in Israel there, we get a clean tank regiment. This is arithmetic!

      never doubted the gdp team.
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 8 June 2020 18: 37 New
      -6
      Quote: Old Fuck
      One picture of Roma is almost 60 T-90 tanks ... 60! tanks with one picture. So I live like this. Two tank battalions of modern T-90 tanks!

      You see, an old vegetable. Neither to you, nor even to Roma - they will not sell tanks, it is not due to you. And you look at the picture, and to what museum ... he will give a sort of ... it's me about Roma, old, not about you. Well, you, besides the old self, have nothing more for your soul. You, this, not from Latvians, an hour? wink laughing
      1. Old Horseradish
        Old Horseradish 8 June 2020 20: 20 New
        0
        Golovan, you didn’t get tired of defending Potanin, and now you fit in with my beloved Roma. Are they there that they feed you with marinated bones? Where did you get such courage for the oligarchy then? The kennel is good and the marinated bones. Explain to the people.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 9 June 2020 01: 30 New
          -2
          Quote: Old Fuck
          Explain to the people

          I don’t see the people in front of me. I see a lonely horseradish. Old.

          No more request
    3. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 10 June 2020 01: 11 New
      0
      Bitter analogies about the fleet ... (((
  18. mark1
    mark1 8 June 2020 19: 36 New
    0
    Who in the subject - why at CHPP-3 as a backup fuel for diesel fuel, why did you not like fuel oil, is it too cheap?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 8 June 2020 20: 35 New
      +1
      Diesel generators do not drive on fuel oil ...
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 8 June 2020 20: 45 New
      +6
      Quote: mark1
      Who in the subject - why at CHPP-3 as a backup fuel for diesel fuel, why did you not like fuel oil, is it too cheap?

      Firstly, the reception, storage and use of fuel oil as a backup fuel leads to the inevitable cost of steam for its heating, which reduces the overall efficiency of the station.
      Secondly, in addition to the standard cleaning procedure using filters, it is necessary to get rid of fuel oil flooding, which requires the use of special equipment and additional economic costs.
      Thirdly, the cleaning of storage tanks, as well as the direct burning of fuel oil, is accompanied by a considerable amount of pollutant emissions into the atmosphere, to reduce which the installation of additional elements is required.
      1. mark1
        mark1 8 June 2020 21: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Terenin
        storage and use of fuel oil as a backup fuel leads to the inevitable cost of steam for its heating, which reduces the overall efficiency of the station.

        Those. (in the far north) is used arktic diesel fuel? belay
        Quote: Terenin
        Secondly, in addition to the standard cleaning procedure using filters, it is necessary to get rid of fuel oil flooding, which requires the use of special equipment and additional economic costs.

        Those. diesel fuel is not flooded?
        Quote: Terenin
        Thirdly, the cleaning of storage tanks, as well as the direct burning of fuel oil, is accompanied by a considerable amount of pollutant emissions into the atmosphere, to reduce which the installation of additional elements is required.

        Yes, yes, but the fuel is reserve, i.e. all this "trouble" happens relatively (and very relatively) rarely, only in an emergency with the main fuel.
        It’s not convincing, though ... It’s been a long time since I worked at the CHPP, something may have changed without me and the solarium has become economically better than fuel oil (although even the A-92/95 will be cheaper)
  19. sagitch
    sagitch 8 June 2020 21: 09 New
    0
    I wonder what should happen to revise the results of the privatization?
    1. DNS-a42
      DNS-a42 9 June 2020 08: 04 New
      +3
      Soviet power should happen)
  20. pogis
    pogis 8 June 2020 21: 54 New
    0
    But I’m wondering how to collect from the soil and water 300 railway tanks solariums? Collected as long as 3.
  21. nikvic46
    nikvic46 9 June 2020 16: 54 New
    0
    Nationalization is out of the question. To do this, you must have a state bank. It simply is not. All banks are conditionally state-owned. If you read the charter of the Central Bank, you can see how it was independent, and remained so.
    1. aviator6768
      aviator6768 9 June 2020 21: 06 New
      0
      In the 17th, no one heard about banks at all ... They will drive the situation under that tracing paper, the Kremlin’s undergraduates ...
  22. Campanella
    Campanella 9 June 2020 22: 19 New
    -3
    All enterprises mined as a result of Chubais privatization will be returned to the state without any payments to the "owners".
    And the government should nevertheless determine the guidelines by coordinating them, and not amendments to the constitution. And already on the basis of public rather than edrosovsky consensus to adopt the Constitution.
    1. your1970
      your1970 21 July 2020 10: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Campanella
      All enterprises mined as a result of Chubais privatization will be returned to the state without any payments to the "owners".
      - it was already ... in 1918 ... after which came "war communism." This is when ayfon a diamond exchanged for a pound of lard ... ready for this?
      But this is garbage ... then the whole industry just got stuck - and the people suddenly became dissatisfied with the power that had created ITAfter that, the civil ...
      1. Campanella
        Campanella 23 July 2020 10: 39 New
        0
        You got it with 18 years!
        In the 90s, Russia did not get a stake?
        This must be done calmly, thoughtfully and methodically, and then there will be no war. When Khodorkovsky's company was requisitioned did the war happen? So don't repeat other people's nonsense here
        1. your1970
          your1970 23 July 2020 11: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Campanella
          This must be done calmly, thoughtfully and methodically, and then there will be no war.

          "Chop the cat's tail in parts?" (C) I don't remember whose ..
          The owners will sit and obediently wait until you "calmly and thoughtfully" ??? !!!!
          Banal, they will stop paying salaries and say "We paid on time, but now Putin is squeezing out our plant to Rothenberg !!!"
          And it's simple, but tasteful ... And please, another Khabarovsk. ... ... Where Furgal gave the population just school lunches and everything - and the boil for 10 days

          And if this is not a single squeeze - as with Yukos, but a massive one, then the scope of nastiness on their part will be like in 1918 + 90s together ..
          And even if all large owners are shot in a day or two, this will not save them from mass protests of the population. Just because the factories will stand up, as they did in 1918 and in the 90s ... and goodbye salary ........
          1. Campanella
            Campanella 24 July 2020 10: 10 New
            0
            Chop the tail .. applicable to all kinds of life.
            The main thing in this matter is the general ideological spirit in society and an understanding of basic things.
            You don't need to shoot anyone
            There are not so many large resource companies.
            In addition, everyone knows how in the conditions of Chubais's privatization there was a redistribution of property.
            As for sabotage, then the state is to show who is the boss, but of course, it is better to avoid this development of events by offering an alternative.
            And the mass demonstration of the people is a myth, we do not have so many factories .. Most of the people are small, medium and self-employed, and mostly managers. So, with the right hands, shocks can be avoided.
            Buying out the same resource companies at crisis prices.
            1. your1970
              your1970 24 July 2020 19: 11 New
              0
              Quote: Campanella
              Buying out the same resource companies at crisis prices.

              There is no money, even if you buy it out for 100 ... ...
              But then there will be trouble - the exchange value of these companies will immediately fall. That is, foreign investors will rush to take out with the speed of hyperlight ... Money will leave the country in an hour or two ...
              It will be the same as in 1993, when only passenger trains ran at our railway station ...
              And yes, mass demonstrations are a reality if you don't pay money anywhere for at least six months. What will happen with nationalization and the severing of economic ties ...
              And yet, I didn’t get off big, I’ll have to nationalize everything
              1. Campanella
                Campanella 24 July 2020 20: 10 New
                0
                I think in 20 years Putin could have bought everything or forced to sell it. The question is different, Putin does not need it and it is generally not clear what he needs.
                The question is not nationalization as such, but who will carry it out and why and what goals it pursues in the future.
                And here the question of political perspective immediately arises.
                After all, part of the people for socialism, and part for the market as such, and this is more dangerous than the destruction of economic ties, which I do not particularly see. We have more economic ties with China than with our industrialists.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 24 July 2020 21: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: Campanella
                  After all, part people for socialism, and some for the market as such and this is more dangerous

                  Um ... Earlier you wrote
                  Quote: Campanella
                  And the mass demonstration of the people is a myth

                  And suddenly it turns out that IT- just 1918 ...
                  Where part of the population was for the redistribution of exploiters, and part for private property ...
                  After all, we can't stop at large ones, because, for example, the land in our area belongs to 18 farmers ...
                  Six months later, the village will say, "And what difference does it make to us that you nationalized Gazprom and Russian Railways ????? If we had no work, we still haven't ??? And there was no more food ..."
                  And then what? Civil ???
                  1. Campanella
                    Campanella 24 July 2020 22: 36 New
                    0
                    Well, you talked about a social explosion when salaries are not paid and so on, but this is an ideological rift that can only work in conjunction with other things that bother people.
                    Once again, the main issue is not property as such, but what kind of society the people want to build, i.e. idea.
                    Based on this, there will be steps.
                    Again, the property of the same farmers is not a question.
                    Are you sure everyone wants to be? It is possible, for example, to organize the same collective farms as an alternative to farmers and not the fact that farmers will win this competition.
                    And the land can be recaptured through the courts, as not being effectively used. After all, it is always possible to adopt an appropriate law within the framework of political doctrine. After all, the farmers bought the shares for a penny.
                    A civil war is always a mistake of policymakers.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 24 July 2020 23: 04 New
                      0
                      You can take anything from anyone, which is what happened in 1918 and 1991 ...
                      The question of the consequences ..... Someone will wash, someone will go to cut / burn the asset ... Someone got them like that, and someone plowed them for 30 years like a Negro on plantations ...

                      You yourself say that society is extremely fragmented. In 1918, 70% of the population at least agreed and wanted to plunder the loot, but now ...
                      I think - that 50 to 50, and this is the main premise of the Civil, alas ...
                      And so what, but managers in Russia will always make mistakes, just give me the freedom ...