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Czech Republic exchanges domestic self-propelled howitzers for French

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Czech Republic exchanges domestic self-propelled howitzers for French

The Czech armed forces will adopt French 155-mm / 52 caliber CAESAR self-propelled howitzers on a wheeled chassis. This was stated by Czech Minister of Defense Lubomir Metnar. A contract for the purchase of new howitzers may be signed before the end of the year.


The Czech Ministry of Defense decided to purchase French CAESAR howitzers, which should replace the Dana 52 systems in the Czech army. It is also specified that howitzers purchased by the Czech Republic will be carried out on a Tatra T815 chassis with an 8x8 wheel arrangement manufactured by the Czech company Tatra Trucks. In total, it is planned to order 52 CAESAR artillery systems with an option for another 12 self-propelled guns. In addition, the supply of two simulators and ammunition will be included in the contract price. Deliveries are provided for the period from 2022 to 2026.

The French company Nexter Systems produces CAESAR self-propelled howitzers on three chassis: Tatra T815 (8x8), Renault (Arquus) Sherpa 10 (6x6) (the main production version) and Unimog U2450L (6x6) (for the National Guard of Saudi Arabia). The CAESAR self-propelled gun version, performed on the Tatra T815 (8x8) chassis, was first introduced in 2015, and Denmark was its first customer.


The CAESAR self-propelled howitzer, executed on the Tatra T815 (8x8) chassis, has an armored cabin and a gross weight of 32 tons, equipped with a 8 hp Tatra V410 diesel engine. Calculation reduced to three people. The installation accommodates 30 rounds of ammunition (12 more than the self-propelled guns on a 6X6 chassis).

SAU CAESAR is currently in service with France, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Thailand. At the same time, the base chassis for CAESAR self-propelled guns is Renault Trucks Defense Sherpa 5 with a 6x6 wheel arrangement, all Saudi systems were made on the Mercedes / Unimog U5000 (6x6) chassis.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 7 June 2020 16: 03 New
    +8
    Czech Republic exchanges domestic self-propelled howitzers for French
    They sailed ... how many centuries did the Czech guns serve the Austrians, Czechs and Slovaks, Germans ... and then, that was all, "blown away"?
    1. Hermann
      Hermann 7 June 2020 16: 29 New
      13
      The production where the Czechoslovak howitzers were produced Dana remained in Slovakia.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 7 June 2020 17: 10 New
        +3
        Hermann hi - as an option, buy equipment from Slovakia, or make a gun together! It’s cheaper to do than to pay uncle for the service of someone else’s equipment.
        1. Hermann
          Hermann 7 June 2020 17: 25 New
          +6
          So the Slovaks have a 155mm howitzer Zuzana, they offer it for export, in Cyprus there is. hi
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 June 2020 18: 01 New
          +7
          Quote: Thrifty
          German hi - as an option, buy equipment from Slovakia

          Will they sell?
          Slovaks work, make very adequate tools
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 7 June 2020 20: 38 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: Thrifty
            German hi - as an option, buy equipment from Slovakia

            Will they sell?
            Slovaks work, make very adequate tools

            More than. I think ours took the idea of ​​their guns as a prototype of our promising self-propelled guns.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 7 June 2020 20: 43 New
              +3
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              More than. I think ours took the idea of ​​their guns as a prototype of our promising self-propelled guns.

              "Eve"?

              There are 12 shells in an automated loading system.
              By the way, they did its unarmored three-axle version with the expectation of transportation by Hercules. Which is pretty cool. Apparently, they counted on an American order.
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 7 June 2020 22: 05 New
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                More than. I think ours took the idea of ​​their guns as a prototype of our promising self-propelled guns.

                "Eve"?

                There are 12 shells in an automated loading system.
                By the way, they did its unarmored three-axle version with the expectation of transportation by Hercules. Which is pretty cool. Apparently, they counted on an American order.

                Yes, but we want a loader and a lightly armored turret.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 8 June 2020 08: 21 New
                  +1
                  There is an automatic loader.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 7 June 2020 16: 29 New
      0
      EU and wonderful procurement rules when your own defense industry does not have preferences.
    3. knn54
      knn54 7 June 2020 17: 27 New
      +5
      “Dana” and the current Slovak “Zyuzana” have a serious drawback, the lack of the possibility of loading from the ground.
  2. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 7 June 2020 16: 04 New
    -3
    Would make such a Coalition ..
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 7 June 2020 16: 06 New
      0

      already experiencing.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 7 June 2020 16: 07 New
        +4
        This is a more complex and expensive car ...
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 7 June 2020 16: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: Zaurbek
          then a more complex and expensive car ..

          Msta S already has a chassis .. and for the army the most ideal ..
          1. svp67
            svp67 7 June 2020 16: 25 New
            +6
            Quote: dvina71
            Msta S already has a chassis .. and for the army the most ideal ..

            Alas, I don’t think so. Yes, tracked self-propelled guns, the more we need it, but now we really need to make all towed artillery self-propelled and transfer to a wheeled chassis, like the same Caesar’s ... and such a 105-mm self-propelled howitzer

            3, THREE minutes, upon arrival, deployment, short fire attack, folding and departure ...
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 7 June 2020 16: 31 New
              +3
              Quote: svp67
              wheel chassis

              Well .. ok .. The battery on the wheeled chassis got up .. let’s shoot .. let’s bum .. the 30mm bomber detached with the fugasikami and over the slope .. It seems that the damage is not great, but the wheels of that ... and quickly take your legs in any way. ., and the guard, meanwhile, sent coordinates to its arte ...
              I’m all about the fact that the army chassis should be most not susceptible to military accidents, which very often affect the outcome of a battle, as well as a battle ..
              If Che..in the Western armies it is now customary to promote combat passes .. Do we have a cheat on this? Who will be the liability?
              1. svp67
                svp67 7 June 2020 16: 44 New
                +2
                Quote: dvina71
                I’m all about the fact that the army chassis should be most not susceptible to military accidents, which very often affect the outcome of a battle, as well as a battle ..

                In this case, the security of these vehicles relies on light armor, high cross-country ability and high speed of movement on roads ..
                1. dvina71
                  dvina71 7 June 2020 16: 47 New
                  +5
                  Quote: svp67
                  high speed of movement on roads ..

                  Ie .. is this a weapon of retreat? Can you imagine the roads after processing them with a caliber of 152mm?
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 7 June 2020 16: 53 New
                    +5
                    Quote: dvina71
                    Ie .. is this a weapon of retreat?

                    Those. weapons with highly operational and maneuverable properties. And having them, you can very quickly concentrate artillery on the desired site, strike and quickly transfer to another site
                    1. dvina71
                      dvina71 7 June 2020 16: 57 New
                      +5
                      Quote: svp67
                      quickly concentrate artillery in the desired area

                      Let's say ... the necessary site is located on a hill, which is surrounded on all sides by swamps, streams and very soft soil .. lowland in a word ... the only dorgaa .. ground, which after passing the first car becomes even less passable ... ponyash track. .
                      Let's ... concentrate ..
                      1. V.I.P.
                        V.I.P. 7 June 2020 17: 32 New
                        -1
                        Well, yes, but towed howitzers in this situation, of which a breakthrough in the Russian Federation, they are better than this, yes ???)))). The fact that Kamaz is rubbish is understandable. If they did on another chassis it would be better.
                        A lot of countries produce howitzers on a wheeled chassis. And many buy them.
                        How many have sold for money, but not for thanks, tracked Msta?
                      2. dvina71
                        dvina71 7 June 2020 17: 37 New
                        +3
                        Quote: V.I.P.
                        A host of countries produces howitzers on a wheeled chassis

                        Tell me a lot of countries that over the past decades have used barreled artillery in wars .. although they would .. although they would .. equivalent to the Russian / Soviet army?
                        Look, Italy has a wheeled tank .. and?

                        Quote: V.I.P.
                        towed howitzers in this situation

                        It depends on what you tow .. you can kamaz, and you can tracked conveyor ..

                        Well, so how is it with a concentration on the hill among the swamps?
                        Or will we be Jewish .. question to question?
                      3. L-39NG
                        L-39NG 7 June 2020 17: 52 New
                        +1
                        CAESAR shot in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Mali. Saudi Arabia also took advantage.
                      4. dvina71
                        dvina71 7 June 2020 18: 04 New
                        +2
                        Quote: L-39NG
                        CAESAR shot

                        Shot ... how much? Battery? Division?
                        So for a second ... in Afghanistan, 443 artillery and mortar units were lost. And more than 2k units were withdrawn from Afghanistan .., they also left the Afghans worn out ..
                        In order to isolate and retain enemy gangs in certain areas, to exclude their maneuver, and also to prevent possible assistance to militants from outside, the regiment used fire blocking. For this purpose, barrage and concentrated fire was planned and conducted on the likely routes of maneuvers of the illegal armed formations and the approach of their reinforcements.

                        In particular, it was precisely this method of conducting artillery fire that was used in the area of ​​the Komsomolskoye settlement from March 4 to 19, 2001.

                        forces artillery regiment ..
                        But about the load on the regiment ..
                        For the entire time of the fighting as part of the combined group of troops (forces), the regiment completed over one and a half thousand fire tasks, spending about fifty thousand shells on it. It turns out that each barrel guiding on average fired from 2 to 3 thousand shells
                      5. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 7 June 2020 18: 36 New
                        +4
                        Quote: L-39NG
                        CAESAR shot in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Mali. Saudi Arabia also took advantage.

                        That's for sure, shot.
                        For example, in Afghanistan, how many were there? Four or six?

                        By the way, Caesar is not particularly suitable for use in local conflicts; he is a "old model" system when there is a pronounced line of contact.
                    2. svp67
                      svp67 7 June 2020 21: 03 New
                      0
                      Quote: dvina71
                      Well, so how is it with a concentration on the hill among the swamps?

                      The answer has already been given to you ... There is nothing complicated and beyond natural in this
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 7 June 2020 17: 47 New
                    +3
                    Quote: V.I.P.
                    Well, yes, but towed howitzers in this situation, of which a breakthrough in the Russian Federation, they are better than this, yes ???))))

                    It is intended.
                    Even much simpler "cornflowers" sometimes are robust.
                    And there were a lot of approaches to the guns firing at the preliminary roll of the barrel. But not one came to the series.
                  3. svp67
                    svp67 7 June 2020 21: 08 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Spade
                    And there were a lot of approaches to the guns firing at the preliminary roll of the barrel. But not one came to the series.

                    Well, God bless them, that we cannot find other systems, the same NONA, PAT ... yes Hyacinth, MSTA ... any system can be taken as a basis, but abandon the heavy, in this case unnecessary armored turret , which will greatly change the weight of the system, in the direction of its reduction
                  4. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 8 June 2020 08: 16 New
                    +1
                    Quote: svp67
                    but abandon the heavy, in this case unnecessary armored turret, which will greatly change the weight of the system, in the direction of its reduction

                    ..and limit the capabilities of the system.
                    By making it much more vulnerable to art. enemy fire.
                  5. svp67
                    svp67 8 June 2020 10: 10 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Spade
                    By making it much more vulnerable to art. enemy fire.

                    How? Do you think that the KamAZ wheeled chassis is able to withstand it. That is, this wheeled self-propelled gun will be destroyed in any situation, whether it has an armored turret or not, but so, without such a "dead load" it will increase speed and passability.
                  6. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 8 June 2020 11: 44 New
                    +1
                    Quote: svp67
                    Do you think that the KamAZ wheeled chassis is able to withstand it.

                    No.
                    A more adequate chassis.
                  7. svp67
                    svp67 8 June 2020 12: 29 New
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    No.

                    Then what is the argument about the armored tower? On this particular chassis it is not needed ...
                    Quote: Spade
                    A more adequate chassis.

                    Now, if it appears, then we'll see ...
                  8. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 8 June 2020 12: 32 New
                    +1
                    Quote: svp67
                    Now, if it appears, then we'll see ...

                    laughing
                    At the moment, it is not a fact that self-propelled guns on a wheeled chassis will appear at all
                  9. svp67
                    svp67 8 June 2020 12: 38 New
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    At the moment, it is not a fact that self-propelled guns on a wheeled chassis will appear at all

                    Here I am more prone to that fact. In our country, especially in recent years, they have begun to follow more “global” trends than to ask their own.
                    So, I’m more confident in their appearance, if only for the purpose of selling abroad, and for this she must be in our army
    2. nekromonger
      nekromonger 8 June 2020 00: 08 New
      +1
      everything is right, they are again preparing for the past war.
    3. saigon
      saigon 8 June 2020 06: 16 New
      0
      Well, towed ones have one advantage - cheaper.
      Mobility is certainly beautiful, but only if we take into account the road where it was decided to drive, all the artillery on wheels is not correct.
  3. svp67
    svp67 7 June 2020 21: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: dvina71
    Let's ... concentrate ..

    Milman, have you heard anything about the engineering troops and equipment that they have on the equipment. During any operation, the chief of the engineering service is tasked with preparing various access roads, roads, and column roads. This time. Respond to yourself for what technique it is easier to prepare such tracks for tracked forty-wheeled vehicles or twenty-ton wheeled vehicles? These are two. And yet, you somehow peculiarly understand the meaning of concentrating artillery to solve the necessary fire missions. This does not mean to drive her on one heel, so that a fire strike would come from there. This means that there can be many such “heels”, the main thing is that with them the firing range of a particular system would allow this task to be completed, and then the start task with its officers, they calculate the start and end time of the fire and all the initial data for the fire ...
    So that there will be a specific task, to solve it, we will decide how and where to concentrate artillery. They did, we know.
  4. dvina71
    dvina71 7 June 2020 21: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    Milman, have you heard anything about the engineering troops and equipment that they have on the equipment

    Sweetheart ... how does engineering support combine with very fast concentration in a particular area?
  5. svp67
    svp67 7 June 2020 21: 11 New
    -2
    Quote: dvina71
    Sweetheart ... how does engineering support combine with very fast concentration in a particular area?

    And so the man is that any action is prepared and practiced in advance, if you think like a movie Chapai, then these are your problems, any military operation is being prepared. The artillery strike, for the sake of the artillery strike is not carried out, it pursues certain tasks and goals.
  6. dvina71
    dvina71 7 June 2020 22: 03 New
    -1
    Quote: svp67
    And so the man

    Well, she’s already good .. you look like my wife .. when she feels that there are no arguments in the dispute .. begins to bustle and sculpt a hunchback)))
    Preparing for a quick focus in a certain area in advance ... seriously?
    Already during the Great Patriotic War, it became clear .. any hint of the presence of artillery immediately becomes the object of close attention ... they built false positions, carefully concealed the real ones ... For this they put artillery on the chassis .. so that where the position was there. ., and the tracked chassis has a higher passability ..
  7. svp67
    svp67 8 June 2020 10: 15 New
    0
    Quote: dvina71
    That's why they put artillery on the chassis ..,

    You do not even live in the 20th, but in the 19th century ... They put artillery on a caterpillar chassis so that it could go right behind the tank units and support them with fire, since the towed vehicle simply did not have time to do it.
    Quote: dvina71
    Well, good already .. you look like my wife ..

    Do we know each other ...? I have no sisters, no ... Strange you are.
    Would you like me to compare you with anyone? But turn this comparison will not be in your favor, even my cat is more competent in those issues that he is trying to solve ...
    Quote: dvina71
    the crawler chassis has a higher passability ..

    Yes, but wheeled chassis have made a huge leap forward in this, and besides, they are much cheaper. Can you answer why, with all the positive qualities of tracked self-propelled guns, they did not rearm all artillery on them? I will tell you that because of the high price, both production and operation.
    But and last, show those where I deny the need to have tracked self-propelled guns, I started this whole conversation with the fact that now there was a need to transfer TOWED artillery to a wheeled self-propelled chassis, of different payloads from light to heavy, the main thing is to increase the speed of their maneuvering
  8. Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 9 June 2020 15: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    there was a need to transfer the towed artillery to a wheeled self-propelled chassis of various carrying capacities from light to heavy, the main thing is to increase the speed of their maneuvering

    I support this opinion. Namely "TOWED artillery",
    rather than adapting what was being done under the tracked chassis. Variants of the "CAESAR" type are a completely viable system, but to sculpt a tower from a caterpillar "coalition" on the KAMAZ chassis, I think a dead end branch.
  9. svp67
    svp67 9 June 2020 16: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Bad_gr
    but to sculpt a tower from a caterpillar "coalition" on the KAMAZ chassis, I think, a dead end branch.

    We have already discussed this with Lopatov, and in terms of this basic chassis, he agrees too ...
  10. svp67
    svp67 7 June 2020 21: 05 New
    0
    Quote: dvina71
    track understand ..

    And about gaty, fascin you had to hear something? And I strongly doubt that within a radius of a dozen kilometers it will be impossible to collect sites and dirt tracks ... You are like a child, by God ...
  11. dvina71
    dvina71 7 June 2020 21: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    And about gaty, fascin you had to hear something?

    Oh .. don’t tell me about how to move on soft ground .. It's difficult and slow .. Again the same question .. How does this fit with a very fast concentration?
    There is no question for me how this will be done by the equipment on the caterpillar highway .. but the unit load of the wheeled chassis will be several times greater. Which naturally affects the passability .. And drag an engineering battalion behind each division .. for what?
  12. svp67
    svp67 7 June 2020 21: 17 New
    0
    Quote: dvina71
    How does this combine with very fast concentration?

    How strange you are. This allows you to get there quickly and without getting stuck.
    Quote: dvina71
    And to drag an engineering battalion behind each division .. for what?

    You are somehow strange. Apart from wheeled divisions, in any part of another completely different wheeled vehicles, these roads, in particular, will be built for it ... without this, there will be no timely transportation of material resources
    Quote: dvina71
    how the technique will do on the caterpillar highway ..,

    I know from experience that in such a terrain, without preliminary preparation, she will do no better, or even worse. If the truck can still be pulled out with the same tank, then the caterpillar equipment often has to be pulled out with the deployment of chain hoists, which is quite a long time.
  13. dvina71
    dvina71 7 June 2020 21: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    This allows you to get there quickly and without getting stuck.

    Where? Where is there? Tatara. 4 axles. 8 wheels .. Dan's weight is 52 - 30t .. 4 tons per wheel .. and the contact spot is several times smaller than that of a crawler chassis .. YOU are arguing with obvious things .. caterpillar chassis .., with equal weight. I'm not talking about the maximum angles of slopes and the maximum angles of elevation ...

    Quote: svp67
    You are somehow strange. In addition to wheeled divisions, in any part is completely different other wheeled vehicles, these roads, in particular, will be built for it ...

    You are not? We are talking about combat use .. in the context of counter-battery combat. And you propose to lay to the gati positions ..
    Obviously, the caterpillar chassis gives a greater choice of firing positions .. and less tied to the conditions of the area .., which means it increases survival ..
    Quote: svp67
    If the truck can still be pulled out with the same tank,

    A truck weighing 30t .. you don’t pull out any tank yet .. only a winch system with many blocks .., work for several hours ... Good mobility .. and a log like a goose will not help ..
  14. svp67
    svp67 8 June 2020 10: 20 New
    0
    Quote: dvina71
    We are talking about combat use .. in the context of counter-battery combat.

    You pour smart words, not even fully understanding their meaning ... but you heard about the artillery preparation of the offensive, advancement, accompaniment of the offensive and advancement in depth, as well as about fire obstruction of advancement and deployment ... and so on and so forth?
  15. Grits
    Grits 8 June 2020 02: 29 New
    0
    Quote: dvina71
    Let's say ... the necessary site is located on a hill, which is surrounded on all sides by swamps, streams and very soft soil .. lowland in a word ... the only dorgaa .. ground, which after passing the first car becomes even less passable ... ponyash track. .
    Let's ... concentrate ..

    So, you need to have two types of vehicles in the artillery unit - wheeled and tracked. And depending on the task, choose one or another type of machine.
    Based on your introductory note, I would naturally choose tracks. And on wheels held it until the moment when you can quickly push artillery along the track, hit and knock back.
  16. dvina71
    dvina71 8 June 2020 17: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Gritsa
    So, you need to have two types of vehicles in the artillery unit - wheeled and tracked. AND

    I think not on a wheeled ... too defective, from a military point of view, chassis. There is a special caterpillar dt-10 and dt-30 .. the cost is at the level of 8x8 wheeled chassis ... but ... At least the road, at least the swamp, at least the crossing .. no means at hand and engineering support ... In fact .. point I poked it on the map and moved out there ... Arctic airplanes were installed on them ..., you can put 152mm, the carrying capacity and size of the platform allow.
  • pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 8 June 2020 04: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Those. weapons with highly operational and maneuverable properties. And having them, you can very quickly concentrate artillery on the desired site, strike and quickly transfer to another site

    Artillery is, first of all, a "maneuver by fire" and not a "maneuver by wheels".
    1. svp67
      svp67 8 June 2020 10: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: pmkemcity
      Artillery is, first of all, a "maneuver by fire" and not a "maneuver by wheels".

      Now, without the "quick maneuver by wheels" function, artillery is becoming DISPOSABLE, which means it is not needed. Means of armed struggle on the battlefield made a sharp leap forward in the field of attack ...
  • Klingon
    Klingon 7 June 2020 19: 54 New
    +1
    and if the counter rotate 30mm subcaliber? or both? after all, in cannons on the tops, selective nutrition and the type of ammunition can be chosen, and the tower of that and the caterpillar will be ragged .. so what is it ..
    and in general, if VERTUKHA arrives, then according to custom it will crash first with NURSES, who will bother out of a 30mm bundle there? and (or) ATGM will launch .. or did you play DCS on Apache? laughing
  • lucul
    lucul 7 June 2020 20: 51 New
    0
    Well .. ok .. The battery on the wheeled chassis got up .. accelerated .. let's shoot .. Then bam .. 30mm anti-shatter gun detached and over the slope ..

    Do you think the wars in the 21st century will continue to be trenches? ))) After all, under the trench wars, the towed artillery was designed ....
    War of the future is war of drones. It’s like tank wedges for the 30-40s, and some people emphasized cavalry in those years.
    The analogy is direct .....
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 7 June 2020 21: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: lucul
      After all, it was under the trench wars that towed artillery was designed ....

      Yes? Something tells me that there wasn’t four of a kind .. in large numbers they went to each other .., and the artillery was already towed in the wagon train ..
      Quote: lucul
      War of the future is war of drones

      While the basis of the computing complex is on-off computers .. there will be no drone wars ..
      Maybe some place will be taken by remotely controlled systems, but the reaction time .. under the serious influence of air defense .., starting with the same MANPADS and detection stations .. some UAVs will not go into battle .. and everything will return to the good old barrel artillery when performing precision strikes and MLRS in the area ..
      Quote: lucul
      This is like tank wedges for the 30-40s, and some people emphasized cavalry in those years .....

      Actually ... the cavalry took part in the Berlin operation ... we must not focus, but competently apply the available means ..
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 7 June 2020 17: 44 New
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    and such a 105 mm self-propelled howitzer

    The Americans abandoned it, because it is expensive, difficult and unreliable. Gave India as a bonus on the M777 laughing
    Together with the 155 Brutus of a similar design
  • Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin 7 June 2020 17: 47 New
    +4
    I’ll tell you, as a mortar to the gunner, the departure is too long. Shooting, the position must be left much faster laughing
  • nedgen
    nedgen 7 June 2020 17: 59 New
    +2
    Can't Americans understand what a normal semi-automatic shutter could not do? And a unitar for a howitzer is not such a blessing. Cannot be varied by charges
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 June 2020 18: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: nedgen
      And a unitar for a howitzer is not such a blessing.

      There is no unitary. The charge is variable.
      Just at first they put a shell into the shell, and then they send it to the gun.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 June 2020 20: 15 New
      +2

      Here it is clearly visible.
      Pay attention to the axis of the projectile and the axis of the sleeve. They do not match.
      1. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 8 June 2020 05: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        Here it is clearly visible.

        Sorry for the tactless question - what kind of footcloths do they tear from shells and throw to the ground?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 June 2020 08: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: pmkemcity
          Sorry for the tactless question - what kind of footcloths do they tear from shells and throw to the ground?

          This is the additional charges in the bags.
          Apparently, they control the accuracy of manning the charge in this way - the gun commander detaches the footcloths.
          And then the gifted fighter will leave an extra bunch in the sleeve, and the shell will fly away not into the "boiler" of the training ground, but with a flight to the farmer’s land. Which just will not be happy.
          1. pmkemcity
            pmkemcity 8 June 2020 10: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            This is the additional charges in the bags.

            He throws them to the ground. There is sand, dirt, all kinds of straw ... Then it “forgets” and leaves, to the delight of the children, or is it all used somehow?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 8 June 2020 12: 04 New
              +3
              Quote: pmkemcity
              He throws them to the ground. There is sand, dirt, all kinds of straw ... Then it “forgets” and leaves, to the delight of the children, or is it all used somehow?

              They don’t know.

              They usually burn us so playful little hands do not get there. Not just kids.

              Although it should be returned with capping and sleeves
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  • APASUS
    APASUS 7 June 2020 18: 31 New
    0
    Quote: svp67
    3, THREE minutes, on arrival, deployment, short fire raid, folding and departure.

    This is if you make a provocation, come to shell the market for example, and since the crew is not protected at all, in combat conditions one response shell is enough to put this tricky crew
  • Klingon
    Klingon 7 June 2020 19: 48 New
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    so it's not even a howitzer but a 105mm mortar !? only loading from the breech
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 June 2020 20: 13 New
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      Quote: Klingon
      so it's not even a howitzer but a 105mm mortar !?

      ??
      Howitzer.

      This is a very cool, expensive and complex tool.
      A shot from which occurs during the roll of the barrel. That is, returning it after a rollback. Thus, the recoil energy is partially utilized. That allows you to install the howitzer on light chassis.
      It is somewhat similar to Cornflower, but it is not the trunk assembly that is moving there, but only a massive shutter. And still the system is complicated.
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 7 June 2020 23: 16 New
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        Thanks, I didn’t. thought about the mortar because of the short barrel
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 7 June 2020 16: 04 New
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    The Czech armed forces will adopt the French CAESAR 155-mm / 52 caliber self-propelled howitzers on a wheeled chassis. This was stated by Czech Minister of Defense Lubomir Metnar.
    And the wind is in their back. But if you still have a loan from France for the acquisition, then "do what you like with it" request repeatSuch a sky is blue .... Another 100 years with its national howitzers in the Tatras would have lurked, and sho?
    And sho Lithuanian cinema seem to us? Ah, they are now in NATA responsible for the wipes, well, you always want to eat.
  • Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 7 June 2020 16: 05 New
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    But the Czech Republic, once ranked among the top five in arms exports.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 7 June 2020 16: 22 New
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      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      But the Czech Republic, once ranked among the top five in arms exports.

      I’ll tell you a terrible secret, only no, no .... It will always be there, because Skoda arms factories are a forge of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, 150 years ago, the organization of 1859, and the continuation of affairs,
      In 1899, a joint-stock company emerged from an ever-expanding enterprise, and in the period before the First World War, the Skoda plant became the largest arms factory in Austria-Hungary.
      Maybe the gold of the Republic of Ingushetia has contributed to the development ... But it is not for nothing that the Poles "Tesinsky volost" cleaned their paws.
      1. Ravil_Asnafovich
        Ravil_Asnafovich 7 June 2020 16: 38 New
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        So sure, but not for long am .
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 7 June 2020 17: 35 New
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          Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
          So sure, but not for long am .

          So sure, but not yet evening. Americans can give the whole Czechs to the Poles, without Munich. recourse Watch your hands. recoursethe circus is still the same and although the magician is drunk, there are enough firecrackers in his pants. request
      2. L-39NG
        L-39NG 7 June 2020 17: 38 New
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        Regarding gold, you ask the commissars who used the gold for the free passage home, and Admiral Kolchak not only encouraged his army with beautiful promises. And also, in 2010, the Mir submarines found on the bottom of Lake Baikal, at a depth of 420 meters, shiny objects similar to gold bullion.
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 7 June 2020 17: 43 New
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          Quote: L-39NG
          Regarding gold, you ask the commissioners

          These commissars have long been in the land, and you seem to have exclusive info. Only for God's sake do not share. Let the sweet grains of omniscience give you exclusive pleasure. repeat
    2. L-39NG
      L-39NG 7 June 2020 17: 26 New
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      Not the Czech Republic, but Czechoslovakia. After the division into the Czech Republic and Slovakia, the company that produced the artillery systems remained in Slovakia. They offer modernization and caliber change by 155 mm, but the French barrel’s potential turned out to be large and the price is lower than that of the new Slovak ZUZANA. The Frenchman has a longer range, 42 km standard HE EFRB and 55 km special shells. A wide range of projectiles used, for example BONUS Mk II (Nexter Systems). France will supply the trunks, the rest will be both assembly and assembly will be done in the Czech Republic.
      And the export of military material is such that it’s a sin to complain.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 7 June 2020 18: 23 New
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        Quote: L-39NG
        than the new Slovak ZUZANA

        You do not seem to own the information.
        Their new system is called "Eva", it is cheaper than the French and is one generation ahead of it, being an analogue of the Scandinavian self-propelled guns "Archer"
        1. L-39NG
          L-39NG 7 June 2020 21: 09 New
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          There are no orders for Eve, because it exists only as a working demonstrator. Since 2015, it has been shown at exhibitions and this is limited to this. Slovakia itself cannot take them into service. They take Zuzana 2. Production of a limited series will be more expensive than buying trunks in France and picking up CAESAR SA in the Czech Republic, in addition, this is not the first joint development of Nexter Systems and Tatra Trucks. There is such cuttlefish - Titus.
          1. pmkemcity
            pmkemcity 8 June 2020 05: 10 New
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            Quote: L-39NG
            Limited edition production will be more expensive than buying trunks in France

            It will be like with the Indians - "reckoned, wept."
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 8 June 2020 08: 20 New
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            Quote: L-39NG
            There are no orders for Eve, because it exists only as a working demonstrator.

            ..because they are clearly purposefully spread rot.
            Otherwise, how to explain the complete lack of interest in the latest generation of cheap self-propelled guns?
            1. L-39NG
              L-39NG 8 June 2020 10: 34 New
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              Based on the modern concept of artillery "fired and escaped" - within 90-100 seconds after the first shot, the SAO must withdraw from the firing position and move away at least 300 meters from the firing position. Otherwise, the art will be destroyed by the return. by fire. "EVA" loses in rate of fire. PzH 2000, 20 shots in 120 seconds. Archer FH77BW, 20 shots in 120 seconds. Caesar, 18 shots in 120 seconds. "EVA", 10 shots in 120 seconds. And due to the fact that there are enough orders for Caesar-Tatra, not only for the army of the Czech Republic, but more than half of the production will be in Czech plants - we won’t stay in the loser.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 8 June 2020 12: 01 New
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                Quote: L-39NG
                Based on the modern concept of artillery "shot and fled"

                ... the most common American 155 mm gun has no right to life.

                Quote: L-39NG
                "EVA" loses in rate of fire. PzH 2000

                However, ahead of her generation.

                Quote: L-39NG
                PzH 2000, 20 shots in 120 seconds.

                Game.
                After this, the barrel is definitely a replacement

                Quote: L-39NG
                Caesar, 18 shots in 120 seconds.

                Similarly.
                In addition, the soldiers will quickly get tired. For the "Caesar" loading is completely manual.

                Eva is one or two generations ahead of the aforementioned self-propelled guns.
                Her “classmates” are “Archer”, German “Donar” / AGM / RCH 155; US Cruiser, NLOS-C and XM1299; Russian 2С35 "Coalition-SV"
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 7 June 2020 16: 11 New
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    There was only one question left: the Czechs have nowhere to put money or who the French had to put?
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 7 June 2020 16: 22 New
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    The Czechs change their orientation again ... What

    Joy.)))
  • aviator6768
    aviator6768 7 June 2020 17: 06 New
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    Happen. God forbid .... We will stand at the forefront - trunks. ammunition, engines .... And "we will buy everything and bring everything to us" - this is to the Custodians with the Maginot line ... two weeks and no COUNTRY ...
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 7 June 2020 21: 11 New
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      "... If tomorrow is a campaign, if tomorrow is a war ..." - the Czech Republic will join NATO, or Uncle Sam will defend or the Czechs will surrender, they will not get used to, the experience of 1938-39 and 1968. The barrel’s resources will be enough for the entire war (unless of course the Centennial or thousands of shells are fired per day), the engine will “survive” the barrel and count or hit directly - then the “finish”, the production of ammunition is a separate topic, if you are not a “single-field warrior” "the ammunition will be brought or the war will end earlier than the BC. France did not spend ammunition, the soldiers did not end - the war ended in the heads of the generals and marshals of the General Staff of France (De Gaulle exception), and the resource of barrels was not exhausted and the ammunition did not end ...
  • Strashila
    Strashila 7 June 2020 17: 59 New
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    "Calculation reduced to three people," cool, but on the splash screen video ... six.
  • Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 7 June 2020 18: 24 New
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    Excuse me, but when are capitalists interested in the “invisible hand of the market” and democracy, such “anachronisms” as decency, success and development of their own industry and patriotism are of interest? The French gave someone a paw, they decided to accept the French self-propelled guns. Were there comparisons during test times? By accuracy, range, ease of maintenance, the speed of deployment and collapse of positions, rate of fire? If there were then they don’t write about the results. Do you think the official cares about his own, Czech factories, workers, etc.? They gave him a paw, or there they arranged a son for a consultant somewhere and emo do not care for everything else. These are capitalism, market relations and democracy. And this happens EVERYWHERE, not only in India or the Czech Republic. In the USA it’s the same. With the same shooter. In the tests XM8, XK416 and SCAR-L, they gave M4 as a god a turtle. So what? The guys from COLT brought in someone who needed, arranged someone as a “consultant” and that’s all, ours went into battle with the M4, which incidentally has FOUR times more delays than the XK416 and SCAR and 6 times more than the XM8. They tried to say that they say "the troops are familiar with the ergonomics of the M4," but the ergonomics of the XK416 are the same. But all the same, it’s not the tests that decide, but which of the arms companies has “donated” various “respected people” for re-election. This is CAPITALISM. This is "market relations"; this is the "free hand of the market."
    1. Grits
      Grits 8 June 2020 04: 24 New
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      Quote: Baron Pardus
      The guys from COLT brought to whom it was necessary, they arranged for someone a “consultant” and that’s all, ours went into battle with the M4

      Interesting, and YOURS is who? And against whom did they go into battle?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 June 2020 18: 28 New
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    That's right, it's time to close Czech factories, the sixes are not supposed to have their own production.
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  • pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 8 June 2020 04: 47 New
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    Calculation reduced to three people

    And at the end of the video, even the seventh in the frame lit up?
  • 1536
    1536 8 June 2020 08: 04 New
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    Again, these Czech Poles are leading Europe to war.
  • pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 8 June 2020 10: 33 New
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    Quote: svp67
    Now, without the "quick maneuver by wheels" function, artillery is becoming DISPOSABLE, which means it is not needed.

    It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines. In conditions of general massacre, there will be such chaos that it is towed artillery, which can survive the artillery strike "over the squares", that will be the most tenacious. In addition, it can be towed by inexpensive labor soldier