In the West, alarmed by the news of the Russian network for the collection of space debris: the reason is identified


In the West they met with alarm news, which testifies to the readiness to implement Russia’s space debris mitigation program. Information on the Roscosmos patented device for orbiting garbage collection was distributed today in a number of Russian media.


According to the latest information, we are talking about a special network in the form of a cone, which is located in a sliding frame. The top of this cone is fixed to the profile spacecraft. The network has a coarse-grained structure, which allows you to "pick up" relatively large fragments of the so-called space debris when in a certain orbit. An important aspect is that it is planned to use satellites that can work in an automated mode to work with the “junk” network. Bloggers called this project "string bag for space debris."

Why are these reports alarming in the West?


The fact is that North American experts express concerns about the "dual purpose" of the space network. In particular, it is suspected that if an error occurs during the maneuvering of satellites with a network, spacecraft — for example, NASA satellites or the US military department — may fall into this huge space “net”. It is also stated that such a technology "can be used consciously to counter the activities of satellites."

It should be noted that such accusations against Russia often sound. So, relatively recently in the West they said that Russia was going to use a combat laser "to disable satellites of the United States and other NATO countries." They are trying to make the same accusations against the promising Russian air defense system S-500 "Prometheus". Allegedly, its main purpose is to “shoot down satellites”.

If you combine all these suspicions and accusations together, it turns out that Russia is going to literally "clean up" outer space from the satellites of Western countries - "to shoot down and immediately collect it into the garbage bag."
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    1. Ilya-spb 7 June 2020 14: 43 New
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      I’ll tell you more: in the American satellite you can find copper, silver, gold and other values.

      So, half a liter is enough) find and hand over)
      1. Tatyana 7 June 2020 15: 36 New
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        In the West, alarmed by the news of the Russian network for the collection of space debris: the reason is identified

        Actually, I was “amused” by all this kipish raised in the West against the Russian Federation.

        Firstly. Why does Russia need this? This is really a big question for other space countries!
        Second. "PLEASURE" is in itself very expensive. What then will be the profitability of this business project for the Russian Federation? For example, orders from the Russian Federation from other countries for the capture of "space debris" will be?
        And thirdly. Does the Russian Federation already have money for the implementation of this whole business project? Nabiulin will give money for this?
        Otherwise, all this is just PR.

        But the most important thing. Idea ahead of time In principle, voicing would be useless. Competitors can get ahead.
        1. cniza 7 June 2020 17: 29 New
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          Quote: Tatiana
          Does the Russian Federation already have money for the implementation of this whole business project? Nabiulin will give money for this?


          And what side is Nabiulina here?
          1. Tatyana 7 June 2020 17: 41 New
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            And what side is Nabiulina here?

            You ask a strange question.
            By what BOKOM in the Federal Law "On the Central Bank of Russia" does the Central Bank of Russia relate to the Government of the Russian Federation (and therefore to the RF Ministry of Defense and to Roskosmos), the same "BOKOM" to the MO and Roscosmos refers to Nabiulina, who heads the Central Bank of Russia .
            And Nabiulina always has her own position.
            1. cniza 7 June 2020 18: 10 New
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              Here read:

              A key element of the legal status of the Bank of Russia is the principle of independence, which is manifested primarily in the fact that the Bank of Russia acts as a special public law institution with the exclusive right to issue money and organize money circulation.[/ b] It is not a public authority [b]At the same time, his powers by their legal nature relate to the functions of state power, since their implementation involves the application of measures of state coercion. The functions and powers provided for by the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)” are performed by the Bank of Russia independently of federal state authorities, state authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local governments. The independence of the status of the Bank of Russia is reflected in Article 75 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, as well as in Articles 1 and 2 of the Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)”.
              1. Tatyana 7 June 2020 21: 39 New
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                Respected! Here on the website, we have analyzed dozens of times what the CBR is. You apparently missed it. Namely.

                After ratification of the Bialowieza Accords, Russia turned into a colony of a unipolar world led by Washington. One of the most important instruments for managing Russia as a colony was the new credit and financial system (CFS) of Russia.

                On December 20, 1991, the State Bank of the USSR was abolished. All assets, liabilities and property of the USSR State Bank on the territory of the RSFSR were transferred to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. A few months later, the Central Bank of the RSFSR (Bank of Russia) was renamed the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia).
                The very first version of the law "On the Central Bank of the RSFSR (Bank of Russia)" was adopted on December 2, 1990 of the year, after Yeltsin B.N. by a huge margin, he won the election and became the first president of Russia, and after six months of his presidency he signed Federal Law No. 1990-02.12.1990 of 394. The law was modified and supplemented, but in general its essence was preserved.
                The betrayal of the national sovereignty of the Russian Federation in the field of finance was laid down and reinforced in its very Constitution of the Russian Federation of December 12 1993, which was compiled under the EBN under the patronage of Washington.
                Officially, the authors of this colonial Constitution of the Russian Federation from the 1993 of the year were: Sergei Shakhrai, Anatoly Sobchak, Sergey Sergeyevich Alekseev and the Constitutional Meeting of the Russian Federation.
                The Constitution of the Russian Federation from 1993 of the year only consolidated the colonial position of the Russian Federation in this matter.
                As a result, we have colonial legislation in the country, which, it seems, is impossible under comprador power to abolish in any way peacefully.
                1. Tatyana 7 June 2020 21: 46 New
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                  Quote: cniza
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                  This is also information for you.

                  If we talk about the criminal activities of the Central Bank of Russia in respect of compliance with its national sovereignty, then all this follows from Russian legislation. For instance.
                  First of all, from the Constitution of the Russian Federation, Article 15, paragraph 4. Etc.
                  Constitution of the Russian Federation Article 15:
                  4. The generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system.
                  If an international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes rules other than those provided by law, then the rules of the international treaty apply.
                  Those. if the Central Bank in Russia is offended by a bad Government, it goes somewhere “beyond the hill” and begins to complain to the international court there. And the international court of law takes precedence over our Russian one.
                  Federal Law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation Article 7:
                  The Bank of Russia, on matters within its competence by this Federal Law and other federal laws, issues normative acts binding on federal bodies of state power, bodies of state power of subjects of the Russian Federation and local authorities, all legal entities and individuals in the form of instructions, provisions and instructions .
                  The rules for preparing regulations of the Bank of Russia are established by the Bank of Russia independently.
                  If the Central Bank decides to collect all metal money from all over the country, it can issue such a decree and everyone will be required to comply with it.
                  Federal Law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation Article 21:
                  The Bank of Russia and the Government of the Russian Federation inform each other about proposed actions of national importance, coordinate their policies, and hold regular mutual consultations.
                  Reminds an agreement between two countries.
                  The Bank of Russia advises the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation on a schedule for the issue of government securities of the Russian Federation and repayment of the state debt of the Russian Federation, taking into account their impact on the state of the banking system of the Russian Federation and the priorities of a unified monetary policy.
                  As we see, the Central Bank does not belong to the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, and he only advises him.
                  Federal Law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation Article 22:
                  The Bank of Russia is not entitled to provide loans to the Government of the Russian Federation to finance the deficit of the federal budget, the Bank of Russia is not entitled to provide loans to finance the deficits of budgets of state extra-budgetary funds, budgets of constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local budgets.
                  If the state does not have enough money, it cannot take it from the Central Bank. The state may go bankrupt when the basements of the Central Bank are clogged with gold and currency.
                  But the law does not say that the Central Bank cannot lend to other states.
                  Federal Law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation Article 23:
                  Federal budget funds and funds of state extra-budgetary funds are stored in the Bank of Russia, unless otherwise provided by federal laws.
                  The Central Bank is independent, not liable for obligations, but all state money goes to it.
                  The powers of the Bank of Russia to service the state debt of the Russian Federation are determined by federal laws. The Bank of Russia and the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, if necessary, conclude agreements on the above operations on behalf of the Government of the Russian Federation.
                  If the Government of the Russian Federation wants to do something in the financial sector, but it itself cannot. Because the money is all in the Central Bank, and he disposes of it. The government asks the Ministry of Finance to conclude an agreement with the Central Bank and only when they agree do they begin to work together. And if you don’t agree?
                  1. poquello 8 June 2020 00: 53 New
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                    Quote: Tatiana
                    If the Government of the Russian Federation wants to do something in the financial sector, but it itself cannot. Because the money is all in the Central Bank, and he disposes of it. The government asks the Ministry of Finance to conclude an agreement with the Central Bank and only when they agree do they begin to work together. And if you don’t agree?

                    You would finish with the history of the CPSU, the Central Bank regulates emissions and the money in circulation belongs to whom they belong.
                    1. Tatyana 8 June 2020 01: 26 New
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                      Quote: poquello
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      If the Government of the Russian Federation wants to do something in the financial sector, but it itself cannot. Because the money is all in the Central Bank, and he disposes of it. The government asks the Ministry of Finance to conclude an agreement with the Central Bank and only when they agree do they begin to work together. And if you don’t agree?

                      You would finish with the history of the CPSU, the Central Bank regulates emissions and the money in circulation belongs to whom they belong.
                      You are completely wrong.

                      Remember the recent sale Sberbank The Central Bank of the Russian Federation to the Government of the Russian Federation, which, unlike most state-owned banks, historically belonged to the Central Bank, and not to the government.
                      Even according to the Ministry of Finance, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which owned a controlling stake in Sberbank 50% + 1 share, unnaturally combined the roles of the SHAREHOLDER (private owner), the REGULATOR and the SUPERVISORY BODY.

                      So the Central Bank of the Russian Federation was also a private owner. And we must assume that the Central Bank of the Russian Federation also owns shares of other banks in the Russian Federation. Sberbank was simply the largest. And there is VTB, etc.
                      1. poquello 8 June 2020 15: 02 New
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        You are completely wrong.

                        Remember the recent sale of Sberbank by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation to the government of the Russian Federation, which, unlike most state banks, historically belonged to the Central Bank, and not to the government.
                        Even according to the Ministry of Finance, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which owned a controlling stake in Sberbank 50% + 1 share, unnatural in a way combined the roles of SHAREHOLDER (private owner), REGULATOR and SUPERVISORY BODY.

                        those with the Central Bank limit the rights of a private person in view of its functions as a regulator
                      2. Tatyana 8 June 2020 15: 36 New
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                        Quote: poquello
                        those with the Central Bank limit the rights of a private person in view of its functions as a regulator

                        the Russian regulator, ultimately tied to a foreign regulator - the US Federal Reserve.
                        But it is not so simple. The State Duma of the Russian Federation is full of deputies - lobbyists of the Central Bank of Russia.
                      3. poquello 8 June 2020 15: 43 New
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Quote: poquello
                        those with the Central Bank limit the rights of a private person in view of its functions as a regulator

                        the Russian regulator tied in a bed account to a foreign regulator - at the US Federal Reserve.
                        But it is not so simple. The State Duma of the Russian Federation is full of deputies - lobbyists of the Central Bank of Russia.

                        correctly tied, the Fed is the dollar, and the dollar has not yet been leaked is the world settlement currency, and yet I think that there is a merit of the Central Bank in that the country is calculated in rubles, not dollars, as in the 90s
                      4. Tatyana 8 June 2020 15: 52 New
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                        Quote: poquello
                        correctly tied, the Fed is the dollar, and the dollar has not yet been leaked is the world settlement currency, and yet I think that there is a merit of the Central Bank in that the country is calculated in rubles, not dollars, as in the 90s

                        The system of dependence on the US Federal Reserve in Russia is such that economists and analysts say that, in essence, the rubles under the existing Russian law, which the US special services wrote to us under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, are essentially just the same dollars, only “repainted”. At the same time, rubles only create the appearance among Russians that the Russian Federation is supposedly a sovereign independent national state.
                        The manifestation of sovereignty in a country is laid deeper.
                      5. poquello 8 June 2020 15: 58 New
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Rubles only create the appearance among Russians that the Russian Federation is supposedly a sovereign independent national state.
                        The manifestation of sovereignty in a country is laid deeper.

                        Now, if we ignore the current assessment of the ruble, which country is more sovereign - with “repainted” or with cu?
                      6. Tatyana 8 June 2020 16: 00 New
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                        Quote: poquello
                        Now, if we ignore the current assessment of the ruble, which country is more sovereign - with “repainted” or with cu?

                        In my opinion, this is China - China.
                      7. poquello 8 June 2020 16: 08 New
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                        Quote: poquello
                        Now, if we ignore the current assessment of the ruble, which country is more sovereign - with “repainted” or with cu?

                        In my opinion, this is China - China.

                        China has its own problems

                        money that at the request of the left heel of the CCP change their weight lose in confidence
                      8. Tatyana 8 June 2020 16: 31 New
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                        It is important that the national currency of China is provided by the growth of national industry and the production of its goods. They do not have a raw economy.
                        It is the PRC that can collapse a foreign economy, while other countries the Chinese economy is not very good.
                      9. SOF
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        One of the most important instruments for managing Russia as a colony is the new credit and financial system (CFS) of Russia

                        ... how much empty text flavored with left-handed radical agitation ..... wassat
                        .... question ..... if Nabiullina, as an agent of the influence of the Fed on comprador power ( wassat ) able to simply not give money ..... laughing ... then how did you manage the comprador authorities, contrary to the will of their owners ( wassat ), Poseidons, daggers and overexposures to cut? ..... Oh yes, .... and also, cursed (comprador authorities), .... dared their owners to put the wheels in the ATS (and many more where) to set up. ......................without money...........
                      10. Tatyana 9 June 2020 09: 30 New
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                        .... question ..... if Nabiullina, as an agent of the Fed’s influence on comprador’s power () is able to simply not give money, ..... ... then how did the comprador’s authorities manage, contrary to the will of their owners ( ), Poseidons, daggers and overexposures to cut? ..... Oh yes, .... and also, cursed (comprador authorities), .... dared their owners to put the wheels in the ATS (and many more where) to set up. ......................without money.........

                        This is done through commercial banks - for interest at an exorbitant price!

                        Federal Law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation Article 22:
                        The Bank of Russia is not entitled to provide loans to the Government of the Russian Federation to finance the deficit of the federal budget, the Bank of Russia is not entitled to provide loans to finance the deficits of budgets of state extra-budgetary funds, budgets of constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local budgets.
                        If the state does not have enough money, it cannot take it from the Central Bank. The state may go bankrupt when the basements of the Central Bank are clogged with gold and currency.
                        But the law does not say that the Central Bank cannot lend to other states.
                        Federal Law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation Article 23:
                        Federal budget funds and funds of state extra-budgetary funds are stored in the Bank of Russia, unless otherwise provided by federal laws.
                        The Central Bank is independent, not liable for obligations, but all state money goes to it.
                        The powers of the Bank of Russia to service the state debt of the Russian Federation are determined by federal laws. The Bank of Russia and the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, if necessary, conclude agreements on the above operations on behalf of the Government of the Russian Federation.
                        If the Government of the Russian Federation wants to do something in the financial sector, but it itself cannot. Because the money is all in the Central Bank, and he disposes of it. The government asks the Ministry of Finance to conclude an agreement with the Central Bank and only when they agree do they begin to work together. And if you don’t agree?
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 June 2020 05: 12 New
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    A specialist’s question, what is in the current Constitution of the Russian Federation - colonial?
    Regards, Kote!
    1. Tatyana 8 June 2020 12: 52 New
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      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
      A specialist’s question, what is in the current Constitution of the Russian Federation - colonial?

      And you are an expert in what - in what area of ​​the industry and in what specialization? Lawyer, economist, financier?
      Do you also have the citizenship of which country?
      It's just to make me understand you better.
      1. Ramzes iv 8 June 2020 12: 56 New
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        Quote: Tatiana
        Do you also have the citizenship of which country?
        It's just to make me understand you better.

        Ask the right questions, our clever Tatyana !!! love
        Usually they go away from such questions and begin to dodge or really lie, which immediately becomes clear .. hi
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 June 2020 14: 46 New
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        That is, as a real woman, instead of answering the essence of the question, you are “throwing beads” !!! love
        “Girl, what a wonderful day? Young man, can I rummage in your shorts pockets, suddenly you are hiding a wedding ring ”!!! laughing
        In order: Russian citizenship, a diploma of higher professional education, jurisprudence, qualification "lawyer-specialist"!
        Until 2012, service at the State Institute, last position - deputy head of the faculty.
        Now, the second question is, what is the 1993 Constitution colonial?
        1. Tatyana 8 June 2020 15: 24 New
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          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Now, the second question is, what is the 1993 Constitution colonial?
          Don’t you know ?! Ai-ya-yay! With such a status !!!
          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          In order: Russian citizenship, diploma of higher professional education, jurisprudence, qualification “lawyer-specialist”! Until 2012, service at a state institute, last position - deputy head of the faculty.
          Must know.
          What about the faculty? What subject was taught?
          Who are you now?
          It’s just from a sociological point of view that it’s amazing why such a discussed problem in society has bypassed you as a professional lawyer.
        2. Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 June 2020 16: 30 New
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          Quote: Tatiana
          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Now, the second question is, what is the 1993 Constitution colonial?
          Don’t you know ?! Ai-ya-yay! With such a status !!!
          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          In order: Russian citizenship, diploma of higher professional education, jurisprudence, qualification “lawyer-specialist”! Until 2012, service at a state institute, last position - deputy head of the faculty.
          Must know.
          What about the faculty? What subject was taught?
          Who are you now?
          It’s just from a sociological point of view that it’s amazing why such a discussed problem in society has bypassed you as a professional lawyer.

          That is, instead of the specific facts of “COLONIALITY” - “Garbage from under a broom” !!!
          "The girl where your Maman is - I am a natural blonde" !!!
          Eh, I was hoping to play around at a higher level of debate !!! Compare the conclusions of Alekseev, the theses of Tarasov and Faizrakhmanov!
          Talk about different approaches to this problem in different law schools! Well, pull a little Moscow, which is frankly weak in its positions on this issue. And in the end zilch, the opponent was blown away!
          All the best!
          Ps I forgot to answer - a block of state law disciplines!
        3. Tatyana 8 June 2020 16: 49 New
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          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Forgot to answer - the block of state law disciplines!

          And I have a management financial, economic and administrative education in entrepreneurship and commercial activity. And the laws excite me almost exclusively - from the point of view of partnerships in market-production relations - income, profit and loss, as well as respect for the sovereignty of our country and state in the international arena.
          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Eh, I was hoping to play around at a higher level of debate !!! Compare the conclusions of Alekseev, the theses of Tarasov and Faizrakhmanov!

          Do you mean that same Alekseev, who in 1993 signed the Russian Federation’s Pro-American Constitution?
          Dispute in personal correspondence.
        4. Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 June 2020 19: 51 New
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          With all due respect, Tatyana!
          And I have a managerial financial, economic and administrative education in entrepreneurship and commercial activity

          That is - nothing about!
          1. You can clearly rewrite from a diploma!
          Type of vocational education.
          Specialty.
          Qualification.
          Profile.

          2. Without slogans jammed by neophytes. I would say tougher, but you are a lady! Explain in three main positions what you consider to be the coloniality of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. It is advisable with examples from the domestic history of the state and law or modern legal systems of foreign countries.

          3. What needs to be done to eliminate is the institution of “Coloniality” in our legal system.

          4. Alekseev teacher D.A. Yagofarova, from whom I had the honor of studying. The first gave introductory lectures to our stream on Theory of State and Law. By the way, Alekseev was a supporter of a slightly different formation of the institute of checks and balances, but the Moscow School won. Well, the last, especially for “managers”, Our 1993 Constitution basically took provisions from the French, and not the main US law! Take, read, compare and make sure.
          However, the American Tracing-Paper was thrown in by journalists, with the filing of Hochma !!! Well, there are jokes in our midst, the latter really had to make excuses to the administration and students! But the department was not selected. But the effect of the bomb and the result of "sickle in coca" to the deputies of the State Duma, with the rule of international law !!!
          Good evening!
        5. Tatyana 8 June 2020 21: 02 New
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          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          “American tracing paper” was thrown in by journalists, with the filing of Hochma !!!

          Let Yeltsin and Gorbachev protect you!
          You still say that there was no bunch of traitors-liberals in the "Bialowieza Forest" prudently 6 km directly on a military helicopter from the Belarusian border to the West! That they didn’t shoot the Supreme Council in Moscow in 1993! And much more!
          How old are you now? I’m just wondering - for the sake of sociology - where do statements like yours come from. What age are Russians inherent in?
          Our 1993 Constitution basically took provisions from the French, and not the basic law of the United States! Take, read, compare and make sure.
          Honestly, in the historical copy plan, I do not care much about where the 1993 Constitution of the Russian Federation was written off and why the Masonic Constitution of France formed the basis of the 1993 bourgeois Russian constitution in favor of the US Federal Reserve. I am worried about the situation in the country.
          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Type of vocational education. Specialty. Qualification. Profile.
          The second highest from 2000.
          Manager of financial, economic and administrative divisions.
          Department "Entrepreneurship and commercial activity".
        6. Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 June 2020 13: 32 New
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          You smiled at my slippers, attributing love to Gorbachev, EBN and his gop company !!! laughing
          You are not a relative of V. Zhirinovsky - “Mom is Russian, Dad is a lawyer”!
          I will not go deep in an assessment of people with two or more higher educations, if softly - low! And about the first you did not unsubscribe so !!!!
          Summing up the conclusions of our discussion. You could not answer my first question (about the coloniality of the Constitution of the Russian Federation)! Thus, in spite of the slogan nature and hysterical style of material presentation, you did not “give birth” to any concrete fact other than “manure on the fan”. Alas, sadly, I was deceived !!! But he confirmed his confidence in the low quality of higher professional education in the specialty "management"! Thank you sincerely for this !!!
          Regards, Kote!
        7. Tatyana 9 June 2020 14: 20 New
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          From the ill-educated troll I hear all this!
          Why should I believe you, who you are, if you yourself ask arrogant questions unprofessional?
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          Quote: Tatiana
          From the ill-educated troll I hear all this!

          Tatyana, excuse me ... have you ever seen at least one educated troll? laughing
        9. Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 June 2020 17: 58 New
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          Dear Jack, good evening! Do I look like a troll? For almost three years, I commented on your posts, you have repeatedly - mine on a branch of history!
          I have known Tatyana for more than five years! Responding to her comment, I regretfully realized that I was communicating with a person with the slogan !!! Some memoranda, declarations and pearls worn down to holes !!! Moreover, he did not receive a specific answer to his question !!!
          Sadness, however !!!
          With sincere respect, always your Vlad!
        10. Golovan Jack 9 June 2020 19: 40 New
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          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Responding to her comment, I regretfully realized that I was communicating with a person with the slogan !!!

          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          I have known Tatyana for more than five years!

          It’s sad that it took you so long to realize the obvious request

          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Dear Jack, good evening! Do I look like a troll?

          No. They say I look like a troll. But this is usually said by characters whose opinion is to me ... repeat

          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          With sincere respect, always your Vlad!

          Mutually. Kotische, I didn’t quarrel with you ... otherwise the banter was addressed mainly to Tatyana. At that moment I was amused by the very possibility of existence, as she put it,

          Quote: Golovan Jack
          educated troll

          Exactly so request
        11. Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 June 2020 20: 51 New
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          Noticed!
          Regards, Vlad!
        12. Tatyana 9 June 2020 21: 47 New
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          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Kotische, I didn’t quarrel with you ... otherwise the banter was addressed mainly to Tatyana. At that moment I was amused by the very possibility of existence, as she put it, Quote: Golovan Jack
          educated troll
          Exactly so

          Jack! Well, you, like a troll, at least you didn’t write me tricks, like Kote pane Kohanka! And they themselves asked me in a correspondence for a reciprocal truce!
          I remember everything, I have a good memory!
          And on working with a computer at my request to advise me, you also helped me once without any argument, of which I was also very grateful to you.
          Therefore, you are a more educated troll, but Kote Pan Kokhanka is not.

          I liked your banter - I love humor - but now you have betrayed me. Therefore, in vain, I immediately at that time put the very first “+” on your comment. And even upset that you rolled up the cons.
          And now I'm sorry. Traitors cannot be encouraged - never!
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 June 2020 18: 17 New
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    Quote: Tatiana
    From the ill-educated troll I hear all this!
    Why should I believe you, who you are, if you yourself ask arrogant questions unprofessional?

    I repeat my question, Tatyana, to your thesis!
    As a result, we have colonial legislation in the country, which, it seems, is impossible under comprador power to abolish in any way peacefully.

    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    A specialist’s question, what is in the current Constitution of the Russian Federation - colonial?
    Regards, Kote!


    Poor Tatyana, is there no answer in the training manual? laughing
    Three days we are pouring from empty to empty !!! And the curators do not answer your pleas !!! But you were scrolling to the end of it (the training manual), on the penultimate page it is prescribed to declare your opponent, a troll, on the last - a bot !!!
    Previously, there was another block in it to indicate non-traditional sexual orientations !!! But tolerance has reached a training manual, 15 years ago they removed it !!!
    In principle, what I was counting on ....

    Well, the last point, in our dialogue with you!
    I’m not a troll, I’m a mental kitty that catches the mice and rats in the subfield!
    Sadness on the rat You do not pull!
    Regards, Kote !!!
    P.S. When the curators respond, write in a personal !!!
  • Cetron 7 June 2020 18: 38 New
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    Her position is in the US Federal Reserve. If allowed, then this venture is a waste of money, if not, then it's worth it!
  • cradle 8 June 2020 09: 11 New
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    After July 1, ECN will have only one known pose in relation to GDP.
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      After July 1, ECN will have only one known pose in relation to GDP.

      Excuse me, but what, are any changes in the laws planned?
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        Forgive me, yes.
  • storm 7 June 2020 18: 04 New
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    Space debris, and these are mainly metals, can be used in the future as raw materials for the construction of the lunar station.
    This is more profitable than carrying metal from the ground ....
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      Quote: assault
      Space debris, and these are mainly metals, can be used in the future as raw materials for the construction of the lunar station.
      This is more profitable than carrying metal from the ground ....

      Well, yes, only on the moon will it be necessary to first build a maaaalenky metallurgical plant to work with scrap metal.
    2. Ilya-spb 7 June 2020 18: 59 New
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      But a good idea! We urgently need to patent
    3. hydrox 7 June 2020 19: 07 New
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      Space debris is primarily American (and EU!) Spy satellites, non-included satellites, spent their communications and other UFOs hanging around there since the 60s.
      There is a lot of garbage, but there is no one to clean :: a reusable truck with a pair of unmanned robots will help to clean the space ... laughing
      If someone thinks that this good can be turned into scrap metal, he’s mistaken: scrap will stink (plum) of plutonium from power sources.
      1. hydrox 7 June 2020 19: 34 New
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        "Any approaching smallest war requires cleansing the operational space from enemy agents: a big war requires not only global cleansing, but also the identification and neutralization of the elements of the fifth column" (С meaning, but I don’t remember where)
      2. nPuBaTuP 7 June 2020 21: 06 New
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        will stink (fonit) strongly plutonium from power sources

        Hardly plutonium .... but the background will be
        1. hydrox 7 June 2020 21: 46 New
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          It is Pu-238 or, perhaps, U-232 - the rest is even more expensive.
          1. nPuBaTuP 8 June 2020 04: 56 New
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            and Nuka give an example using plutonium or uranium in RTGs ..... bolder .... do not be shy
            1. hydrox 8 June 2020 06: 39 New
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              Do not be shy, Vicki is open for you, and I do not have time physics for you to read vigorously - my students are sick!
      3. Insurgent 9 June 2020 15: 24 New
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        Quote: hydrox
        If someone thinks that this good can be turned into scrap metal, he’s mistaken: scrap will stink (plum) of plutonium from power sources.


        It remains only to add that without the presence of a background from isotope power sources, the collected “space debris” will be radioactive due to cosmic radiation.

        Radiation belts

        Earth's radiation belts are magnetosphere regions in which high-energy charged particles accumulate. The inner belt consists mainly of protons, the outer - of electrons. In 2012, NASA satellite opened another belt, which is located between two well-known.

    4. Filxnumx 8 June 2020 00: 11 New
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      This is more profitable than carrying metal from the ground ....

      Are you aware of the radiation embrittlement of metal? The metal will have to be recycled. And it is not clear what will be cheaper: To carry from the Earth or build a plant on the moon.
  • nznz 7 June 2020 19: 44 New
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    the trash will be removed at the whim of someone about. Today, a space station works in our space and the garbage threatens it in the first place. Such a piece will come, voila, the evacuation of the crew ... and the station into the ocean.
  • dedusik 8 June 2020 19: 03 New
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    Quote: Tatiana

    But the most important thing. Idea ahead of time In principle, voicing would be useless. Competitors can get ahead.


    Why ahead of time - they patented and voiced.
  • DED_peer_DED 7 June 2020 18: 56 New
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    I’ll tell you more: in the American satellite you can find copper, silver, gold and other values.

    No horseradish there. Read the rates. And to compare the prices of our spare parts. :)
    Search on Google, the third line from the top by the phrase "pass parts for dragmet."
    And for example, the "value" of enemy boards:

    1. Ilya-spb 7 June 2020 19: 00 New
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      How is it there is nothing? And the case? And spraying on solar panels? And the wiring? What about the winding?
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        Quote: Ilya-spb
        How is it there is nothing?

        To sit with the bros is normal and that’s not enough. Do not forget the rates for admission :)
      2. DED_peer_DED 7 June 2020 20: 12 New
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        Here is the real "Gold Bearer", in principle, at the expense of the precious metal, it only works (tolerantly) and has never been accepted into service, but has served for a long time -

  • SHURUM -BURUM 7 June 2020 20: 30 New
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    Rumors are greatly exaggerated. First, a space elevator is near each receiving point, so that not a gram of metal is lost.
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    Roscosmos reports that the Vtorchermet satellite is preparing to launch. It is designed to receive non-ferrous scrap from astro cosmonauts. For Americans, discounts - for each satellite delivered double price
  • Vol4ara 7 June 2020 14: 51 New
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    What worries me most about this news is the following phrase: "... Russia's readiness to implement the program ..." that is, it wasn’t ready before, but now it’s okay? For example, I have a willingness to become a millionaire
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      Quote: Vol4ara
      that is, before there was no readiness, but now, oops, did it appear?

      I was assured here just a few days ago that our country has no problems with space debris. recourse Now then it turns out it turns out? Or ours decided to import the components for Glonass in such a way? And what, broken satellites are gathered up, docked to the ISS, there will be something for our cosmonauts to do. It will be repaired, and it is not necessary to launch it from Mother Earth.
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      Quote: Vol4ara
      that is, before there was no readiness, but now, oops, did it appear?

      Previously, there were no sanctions and spare parts for their satellites could be bought without any problems. And now they can’t finish Glonass-K and start it. We'll have to capture alien satellites in orbit and disassemble them on radio components. laughing
      1. Dmitry Donskoy 7 June 2020 17: 19 New
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        Rogozin opened a reception center for ferrous and non-ferrous metal.
        1. Ilya-spb 7 June 2020 19: 01 New
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          Collects on a trampoline?)))
      2. Filxnumx 8 June 2020 00: 21 New
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        satellites in orbit

        But nothing that they are already buzzing? Not all satellites hang in orbits below the Van Allen belt.
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          Quote: Fil743
          But nothing that they are already buzzing? Not all satellites hang in orbits below the Van Allen belt.

          It seems that that radiation does not accumulate in objects. Only radiation, as in x-ray machines. They turned it off, the radiation stopped and there was no background.
  • Mavrikiy 7 June 2020 14: 03 New
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    In the West, alarmed by the news of the Russian network for the collection of space debris: the reason is identified
    Yes, it is clear: technological know-how leaks. repeatNeed to share.
  • letinant 7 June 2020 14: 07 New
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    The size of the satellite for satellite Internet, which Mask has almost passed to the Pentagon, is small, as far as I remember. How many of them will fit into the network?
    1. svp67 7 June 2020 14: 39 New
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      Quote: letinant
      How many of them will fit into the network?

      Exactly in volume ...
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        Quote: svp67
        Quote: letinant
        How many of them will fit into the network?

        Exactly in volume ...

        That is, if it is less than the mesh, then exactly zero
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          That is, if it is less than the mesh, then exactly zero

          Not a fact, there you can create an electromagnetic field to attract
  • Smolin 7 June 2020 14: 10 New
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    Everything that flies in orbit with an unknown purpose can be considered garbage. It’s quite logical. Let these objects first declare their rights, by whom and why they are in what state of operability they are. Then we decide whether it is garbage or not.
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      Quote: Smolin
      Everything that flies in orbit with unknown goal - can be considered garbage.

      And sometimes it’s what flies with a “known” purpose. wassat
  • Mountain shooter 7 June 2020 14: 11 New
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    There is a lot of garbage in orbits. Someone has to clean the orbits? It makes no sense to shoot them, fragments will fly apart more and more unpredictably. And so - he collected a large pile, sent a tug with a nuclear power plant, and sent this pile to the lower layers. Everything will burn there without a trace ...
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      There is a lot of garbage in orbits. Someone has to clean the orbits? It makes no sense to shoot them, fragments will fly apart more and more unpredictably. And so - he collected a large pile, sent a tug with a nuclear power plant, and sent this pile to the lower layers. Everything will burn there without a trace ...

      What about the tug?
      1. Mountain shooter 7 June 2020 15: 04 New
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        What about the tug?

        And this is a big secret ... At the Moscow Aviation Institute, a 50 kW plasma rocket engine is being tested. And in Rosatom, a nuclear reactor, compact. Megawatt class. There will be a tug, IMHO. The problem with the tugs with the nuclear power plant is that it is extremely dangerous to start it with a “running” reactor ... While the reactor was not working, the radioactivity of its filling is practically zero ... But he should start ...
        1. hydrox 7 June 2020 19: 20 New
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          Yes, it doesn’t hurt expensively and this nuclear truck costs :: The more eyes and ears it takes off its orbits, the lower the cost per kg it will cost us and the more damage it will inflict on our enemies (liberals call them “partners” laughing ).
          Just burn it in the lower layers is not necessary, otherwise there will be a planetary screen for radio waves.
          It’s better, of course, to give the truck a second space, and then let its engine work sparingly, to stall somewhere beyond Uranus
        2. Disant 9 June 2020 00: 08 New
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          collected a large pile, sent a tug with a nuclear power plant, and sent this pile to the lower layers

          in the USSR, a satellite with a nuclear battery crashed into Canada with a bunch of debris - you barely paid and forgot, and you gathered a whole reactor in orbits up and down to drive over our heads for years. The tug is for other transportations - the Earth-Moon, the Moon - Mars, the Moon - satellites of other planets.
    2. Maikcg 7 June 2020 15: 02 New
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      The tug will slow down for a long time, and then it will not have time to accelerate, so as not to burn out with the string bag, because with non-chemical engines the count will go into hundreds of turns, economically, but the kapets are slow. So what needs to be done with a crossbow, with the impulse of a "shot" the string bag is braked, and the collector is accelerated. Or evaporate with a laser, and then Peresvet is just in stock. laughing
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        Quote: MaikCG
        The tug will slow down for a long time, and then it will not have time to accelerate, so as not to burn out with the string bag, because with non-chemical engines the count will go into hundreds of turns, economically, but the kapets are slow. So what needs to be done with a crossbow, with the impulse of a "shot" the string bag is braked, and the collector is accelerated. Or evaporate with a laser, and then Peresvet is just in stock. laughing

        Here I am about the same, a good device for flying to Neptune (not the one at the bottom), or even to the Alpha Centauri, but not spinning around the Earth
    3. Polite Moose 7 June 2020 16: 33 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      There is a lot of garbage in orbits. Someone has to clean the orbits?

      And this is much more pragmatic than the construction of bases on the moon and a manned flight to Mars.
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      The Japanese are going to launch a similar satellite soon.
  • Thrifty 7 June 2020 14: 14 New
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    But is it possible to send this west with their phobias to a butterfly farm to catch? fool negative
    1. Vasyan1971 7 June 2020 14: 27 New
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      to catch butterflies on a farm

      And we have a different net. laughing
      we are talking about a special network in the form of a cone, which is located in a sliding frame.
  • 16112014nk 7 June 2020 14: 18 New
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    Garbage collection is a profitable business. Especially space.
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      Quote: 16112014nk
      Garbage collection is a profitable business. Especially space.

      And immediately - in color. Bonanza!
    2. Terenin 7 June 2020 15: 49 New
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      Garbage collection is a profitable business. Especially space.

      Everything is correct. Waste in the housing system is the most profitable area of ​​activity. And they won’t squeeze in there ...
  • Gennady Fomkin 7 June 2020 14: 21 New
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    laughing Well, you can "accidentally" catch something wrong good laughing
    1. Thrifty 7 June 2020 14: 24 New
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      Sometimes, it’s not only possible, but also necessary good
  • Errr 7 June 2020 14: 23 New
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    A string bag for space debris ??? Maybe, nevertheless, for the comic? smile
    Debris of a cosmic scale is actually such "informational" exhausts of a certain "number of Russian media."
  • Lord of the Sith 7 June 2020 14: 24 New
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    The photo is more likely an American device.

    And why be surprised, our satellites are dual-use or more))
    Western, by the way, too.
  • Aleksandre 7 June 2020 14: 24 New
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    "... the mismatch of intellectual reactions to stimuli indicates the presence of dementia in patients with schizophrenia, although in a peculiar way."
    (c) https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenic dementia
  • Vasyan1971 7 June 2020 14: 25 New
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    Well yes. They worried about their spies.
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      everything is in order with the spies, they are afraid as if someone had drilled holes in their companions
  • silberwolf88 7 June 2020 14: 29 New
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    the topic is very good debris of different sizes and origin becomes larger ... all orbital objects at risk ... especially habitable ... and now if such a thing in the same orbit and trajectory works ... it can significantly reduce the risk of an accident
  • Pvi1206 7 June 2020 14: 31 New
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    time to throw garbage ... and time to collect it ...
  • knn54 7 June 2020 14: 32 New
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    Roskosmosklining, however.
    And if there is a patent, then introduce any dream of any author.
  • KVU-NSVD 7 June 2020 14: 39 New
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    in order to increase the catch of acromic networks, I prolahush choke with dynamite ...
  • shinobi 7 June 2020 14: 39 New
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    The hat is on the thief! They don’t mumble about this. angry
  • Raven 95 7 June 2020 14: 41 New
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    The fact is that North American experts express concerns about the "dual purpose" of the space network

    It would be strange if the military were not interested in such a development.
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    Information on the Roscosmos patented device for orbiting garbage collection was distributed today in a number of Russian media.

    Different garbage happens ...))) That's the panic started in the west!
    The main mask does not catch laughing wassat
  • A. Privalov 7 June 2020 15: 24 New
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    Information about patented The Roscosmosom device for orbiting garbage collection was distributed today in a number of Russian media.

    From the patent to the embodiment, the way, oh, which is not close. And knowing with whom we are dealing, so in general the event is not a fact that will take place. Well, the journalists need to fill in the bands with something, that’s what they are doing, because they don’t understand what they’re talking about.
    For example, for comparison, the speed of aircraft is about 1000 km / h, the ISS in a geostationary orbit revolves around the Earth at a speed of more than 28 164 km / h. Debris flies at about the same speed. You still have to catch up with such a thing, equalize the speed, capture it in the grid, and adjust all the parameters in accordance with the increased mass ... In short, he is still hemorrhoids. belay
    And what to do with the wreckage of Israeli satellites, which generally fly the other way? It’s like catching a butterfly net on an expressway with an oncoming lane.laughing fellow
    1. asv363 7 June 2020 17: 17 New
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      ISS in geostationary orbit

      The ISS is not in geostationary orbit, rather from 350 to 400 km. Whether they raised it above 400, to be honest, I don’t remember.
      1. A. Privalov 7 June 2020 18: 58 New
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        The ISS is not in geostationary orbit, rather from 350 to 400 km. Whether they raised it above 400, to be honest, I don’t remember.

        You are right, I was wrong. This is not a geostationary orbit. Here is the latest data. hi
  • Brigadier 7 June 2020 15: 36 New
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    A couple - the three of NASA’s modern satellites that completely “accidentally” hit our “string bag” will not hurt us. laughing lol tongue
  • Viktor Alekseev 7 June 2020 16: 03 New
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    Collect spare parts for Roskosmos!
  • Maks1995 7 June 2020 16: 19 New
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    And, again, some invented "experts" are anonymous.
    names, degrees, publications?

    A real, simply educated person will understand that one virtual patent does not mean anything ... without money, samples, etc.
    One Microsoft damn them knows how many patents a day, wrote ...
  • Old partisan 7 June 2020 16: 38 New
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    We knit networks !!!
    Rogozin and son.
  • opus 7 June 2020 16: 50 New
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    Quote: anonymous author
    In the West, alarmed by the news of the Russian network for the collection of space debris: the reason is identified

    belay
    Run, already the pants lose from fear.
    How everything is recognizable
    1. The author has not identified himself.
    2. did not give a link to the patent (yes figs with it), the author did not understand the essence. Photo of the “wrong satellite”
    3.link to sources
    Quote: anonymous author
    The fact is that North American experts express concerns about the "dual purpose" of the space network

    hid again.

    the news appeared on 07.06.2020/3/00 at XNUMX:XNUMX a.m. Moscow time at RIA Novosti

    and in the "west" already trembling?
    fool
    and the author squeezed an article
    You can search ALL ROSPATENT
    https://rupto.ru/ru
    There is no net for rubbish in Rospatent. RIA Novosti published the news, with a link to its news, that is, a cyclic fake, fufloitsyn.
    and rushed <next follows the word forbidden by consumer protection> over the bumps ...
    WE WOULD LIKE TO GATHER YOURSELF IN HIS COUNTRY AND NEW ZONES OF DEATH DO NOT DO.

  • cniza 7 June 2020 17: 03 New
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    It is also stated that such a technology "can be used deliberately to counter the activities of satellites."


    Whatever we say, you will still think in your own way, so guess your health.
  • G. Georgiev 7 June 2020 17: 07 New
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    They don’t need to worry. In Russia, there are only projects that last for years due to the heavy, conservative bureaucracy. Even China is ahead of Russia. After the 89th year of Russian cosmonautics, there is nothing new and significant.
  • NordUral 7 June 2020 17: 17 New
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    Yes, and to collect satellites especially impudent. What did you want?
  • Ros 56 7 June 2020 18: 26 New
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    Everything is correct, it is necessary to restore order in space, especially since there is enough rubbish there. That's just the problem with the delivery of scrap metal. fellow lol
  • Plastmaster 7 June 2020 18: 32 New
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    The idea is chic and correct. Now the main thing is to come up with prices for the garbage that does not need to be collected.
  • APASUS 7 June 2020 18: 38 New
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    It is necessary not only to catch this garbage, but also to dispose of it directly in orbit ................ if anything comes across
  • veritas 7 June 2020 18: 40 New
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    Judging by the news, the West is constantly experiencing a sense of concern with our projects. But we still have their projections, so there’s nothing to worry about.
  • Pavel57 7 June 2020 18: 43 New
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    There isn’t enough debris in space networks.
  • Traktoris 7 June 2020 18: 47 New
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    Long overdue!
    Collect all broken satellites, all space debris and solar remelting!
    Then evaporate, collect the super powder and use the resins and this super powder and the 3D printer to print a new giant station. Which move to the orbit of the moon or Mars and use as an intermediate base! If you calculate how much garbage there, you can probably build hundreds of such bases. And no need to spend fuel. And the materials are appropriate, the best ones and it’s not necessary to recycle much, all exceptional metals, heaps of solar batteries, and you can probably get fuel. Something like that!!!
  • evgen1221 7 June 2020 18: 59 New
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    Well, if not a star about the net, then it’s a mile away. Yatsenyuk to us in Roscosmos settled chtoli?
  • Prisoner 7 June 2020 19: 36 New
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    Well, "catch fish big and small." winked
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    I hope the network is also cesium.
  • iouris 7 June 2020 21: 23 New
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    Garbage reform however ... in the Russian Federation and over the Russian Federation.
  • Patriot228 7 June 2020 22: 00 New
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    Most of all I like such articles: “WAKE IN THE WEST”, “IN THE WEST ALREADY”, “WEST WIGGLED”. And where are the links to how the West shuddered, trembled, frightened. And that somewhere there a patent was registered, it’s a common practice, for the money spent on different R&D and R&D it is necessary to report here and register. Waiting for the product! When it works, then it comes.
  • Cossack 471 7 June 2020 22: 52 New
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    But if you give this net (for free. How we love to do it) to Americans or Europeans. then it will immediately become democratic and safe
  • segduda 7 June 2020 23: 03 New
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    HA! Cool! The NATO satellite clap and immediately into the string bag! And such, we were not chapels, there was no satellite there)))))))))))))))))
  • KJIETyc 8 June 2020 00: 50 New
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    Quote: Cetron
    Her position is in the US Federal Reserve. If allowed, then this venture is a waste of money, if not, then it's worth it!

    Drink valerian. In your delirium, it turns out that the Fed itself is sponsoring the creation of the SSBN and other Vanguards with daggers that will slightly fry the Fed?
  • sen
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    But the fact that Japan is also doing a satellite to collect space "debris" does not disturb the West?
    https://ria.ru/20200606/1572570729.html?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews
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      who knows, maybe on the Japanese military review they also "draw the image of an external enemy"
  • Nitarius 8 June 2020 06: 01 New
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    scrap metal collectors will be happy))))
  • ruivit1988 8 June 2020 06: 43 New
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    Ragozin, if you listen to him, he will not tell you that. So the West is worried in vain, because we can’t realize something like this.
  • Suslin 8 June 2020 08: 04 New
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    Of course, how to bring the NATO contingent closer to the borders of Russia is to protect the orphans and the wretched, and how to collect garbage is to infringe on the power of all NATO and the USA. Let them endure and howl mournfully!
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    Russia will come - it will restore order! laughing
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    yeah, understand, this garbage collector will remove from orbit everything that is not declared in the list
  • Tamara Seliverstova 9 June 2020 04: 38 New
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    Good device. Space as well as the Arctic must be cleaned of debris. And what our opponents scream there should bother us a little.