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In Ukraine, the number of Pantsir-C1 air defense missile systems destroyed by Turkey was calculated

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In Ukraine, the number of Pantsir-C1 air defense missile systems destroyed by Turkey was calculated

Recently, "more than 20" Russian-made Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile-cannon systems (ZRPK) were destroyed in Syria and Libya. This statement was made by the Ukrainian resource Defense Express, citing its own sources.


It is alleged that in Syria 8 shells were destroyed, and in Libya - 15. i.e. a total of 23 anti-aircraft systems. It is emphasized that most of the Russian systems were destroyed by Turkish drones Bayraktar TB2 and Anka-S. However, the resource writes, it is not exactly known how many complexes were destroyed permanently, and how many can be restored.

The reason for the success of Turkish weapons the agency calls the use of drones by the Turks as part of the swarm and the work of Turkish radio monitoring and electronic jamming stations. It is these two components that helped the Turks “suppress” Russian air defense in Syria and Libya.

At the same time, Ukrainian experts argue that all reports of the Syrian and Libyan press about the loss of dozens of Turkish drones in these regions are a lie.

For our part, we note that this is not the first praise by the Ukrainian Defense Express agency of Turkish drones and “trampling the Russian” advertised Pantsir anti-aircraft systems into the mud. ZRPK "Shell-C2" of Russian production. Well, Ukraine could not buy bad drones from Turkey, because the Ukrainian army is armed with all the best.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 7 June 2020 06: 46
    23
    In fact, how many drones were destroyed and the "Shell" lost?
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 7 June 2020 06: 53
      26
      In fact, how many drones were destroyed and the "Shell" lost?
      I think that we cannot wait for comments on this topic from the Ministry of Defense. Here the question is different. Who sits at the "Pantsir" consoles. And to what extent this "who" is qualified. This is how the fact of low discipline in the troops of both Syria and Libya takes place. Nobody argues with this for a long time.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 June 2020 08: 25
        15
        Quote: NDR-791
        So there is a fact of low discipline in the troops of Syria and Libya.

        And not the ability to use the complexes. It is enough to see how the same Syrians leave the complex without cover, or alone in the open field. Under such conditions, any air defense system can be crushed by a large number of drones. And this is not an indicator of the quality of air defense systems, but an indicator of INABILITY to use the complex and UNDERSTANDING of how all this should be. Plus, low preparation of the calculations themselves.
        1. Ravil_Asnafovich
          Ravil_Asnafovich 7 June 2020 10: 32
          +5
          Right, and when did they know how to fight?
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 7 June 2020 11: 11
            20
            The armor is not a "front edge machine", the fact that it is used as a military air defense system, while violating all conceivable and inconceivable tactical standards and methods of using air defense systems leads to losses. In essence, the wheeled chassis of both Kamaz and MAN is unsuitable for front-line combat operations. Nevertheless, it took the Turks a year and more than two dozen lost drones (14 this year and some more last year, but not a little) to neutralize the threat. Turkish UAVs have been deployed in Libya since last spring. And have been falling since last summer. Carapaces have proven to be effective. Further, the Haftarites loved a certain number, and most of them in a non-combat manner (in a shelter like an industrial building made of metal structures, in a shelter of a reinforced concrete hangar, when transporting on a trailer) due to their slovenliness. If the Shells showed their inefficiency, the Turks would not purposefully strain themselves, engage in the destruction of the Khaftar Shells. Of the advantages of the participation of the shell in the war, it can be noted that the shortcomings revealed during the combat use will be taken into account and eliminated in the next upgrades of the complex. In reality, there is no alternative for a real war on the market. The buyer would rather choose a well-fought complex rather than a paper tiger.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 7 June 2020 11: 50
              10
              In Libya and Syria, the Pantsyri fight with the old avionics.

              Compare the purely outwardly radar

              United Arab Emirates

              Syrian

              Our
              And most importantly, of course, Armor is not military air defense, but for the defense of objects in the depths of defense. It is used precisely as a military
              1. opus
                opus 7 June 2020 13: 07
                +3
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Armor with an old avionics.

                belay
                Avionics, in the general sense, is avionics in avionics
                Avionics decided to designate the entire complex of electronic equipment that is installed on board aircraft. Very often in parallel with the word "avionics" the abbreviation avionics is used, which stands for avionics.

                fool
                this term has no relation to air defense systems
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Compare the purely outwardly radar

                compared and clean ... and dirty, but "outwardly" kaneshna.
                1. UAE -MAN SX45 (8x8), as the chassis is many times better than KamAZ-6560
                2. Syria and the UAE in sand camouflage, ours is not
                if you're talking about a hexagonal HEADLIGHT, then Syria also has "like ours"


                3. "our"
                with RLM SOC S-band
                Russian Aerospace Forces - 42 units 96K6
                UAE -50 units 96K6
                Syria - 36 complexes 96K6
                ====================================
                YOU see the differences?

                Quote: Cyril G ...
                And most importantly, of course, Armor is not military air defense, but for the defense of objects in the depths of defense. It is used precisely as a military

                otpyat standard otpazka No. 2 (No. 1 Arabs' crooked hands)
                1. Where are the troops and military columns on the march?
                2. Development of the ZRPK on the ROC "Roman" by order of the USSR Air Defense began in June 1990 as an air defense missile defense system of the Air Defense Forces - pThe use of air defense systems as a short-range air defense system was supposed to cover the positions of the S-300V and S-300 air defense systems, as well as to cover troops.

                The purpose of the modernized complex is near air defense of stationary objects (including long-range air defense systems) from air attack
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 7 June 2020 13: 38
                  +2
                  you're talking about a hexagonal HEADLIGHT, then Syria also has "like ours"

                  Did they shine on the "Libyan Front"?
                  it was supposed to use air defense systems as a short-range air defense system to cover positions

                  And?
                  YOU see the differences?

                  In SOC, do you see any fundamental differences?
                  how the chassis is many times better than KamAZ-6560

                  Maybe it’s not about them but the RES of the complex.
                  this term has no relation to air defense systems

                  I am happy for you, next time I will be more precise with the terms
                  1. opus
                    opus 7 June 2020 13: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    Did they shine on the "Libyan Front"?

                    no
                    What? They did not "shine" on the Yemeni front either. How does the shape of the PAR cloth (hexagon or rectangle) affect combat effectiveness?
                    And?

                    I just want to say / write "horse in a coat"
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    And most importantly of course The armor is not military air defense,

                    Quote: opus
                    . Development of ZRPK on the ROC "Roman" by order of the USSR Air Defense began in June 1990 as an air defense missile defense system of the Air Defense Forces - it was supposed to use the ZRPK as ***** as well to cover troops.

                    repeat:
                    - where there are "troops" that need to be accompanied on the march
                    - 96K6 was originally developed on TTZ as a "military air defense"
                    - what do you mean by
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    military air defense

                    ?
                    wheels interfere?
                    Well so "OSA-AKM" to help you
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    In SOC, do you see any fundamental differences?

                    I do not see . I do not determine the performance characteristics.
                    if you read it, then

                    1RS1-1Е
                    Azimuth viewing angles:
                    - 60 hail
                    - 360 grad with mechanical rotation
                    Viewing angles by elevation - 60 degrees
                    Range of detection and target designation:
                    - 15 km (high-speed small-sized target during tests at the Kapustin Yar test site)
                    - 26 km (Mi-8 helicopter during tests at the Kapustin Yar training ground)
                    - 27 km (small-sized E95 target during tests at the Kapustin Yar test site)
                    - 32-38 km (target with EPR 2 sq.m according to various sources)
                    - 50 km (MiG-29 during tests at the Kapustin Yar test site)


                    RLM SOC S from TsKBA
                    Target detection / tracking range with RCS 1m.kv:> 40 km;
                    Number of simultaneously tracked targets:> 40;
                    Detected targets flight altitude: from 5 m to 20 km;
                    Radial speeds: 30-1200 m / s;
                    Overload during maneuver: 10g;

                    Viewing area:
                    azimuth (due to electromechanical scanning): 0-360 °;
                    azimuth (due to electronic scanning, in sector mode): 90 °;
                    elevation (due to electronic scanning): 0-60 °;

                    Viewing time: 4 sec;
                    Weight RLM SOC: 950 kg.

                    How does it help against Turkish UAVs hanging over the head
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    I'm happy for you,

                    What do I mean?
            2. Yezhov
              Yezhov 7 June 2020 12: 39
              +1
              Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
              The armor is not a "front edge machine", the fact that it is used as a military air defense system, while violating all conceivable and inconceivable tactical standards and methods of using air defense systems leads to losses.

              Thanks Alistarch, I also thought about it right away hi The carapace, like the S-300-400, is one of the echelons of the layered defense of air defense .. Separately, they are less effective ..
              Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
              The buyer would rather choose a well-fledged complex, rather than a paper tiger.

              And rightly so !!
              1. opus
                opus 7 June 2020 14: 16
                +2
                Quote: Yezhov
                The shell, like C-300 -400 one of the editions of layered defense

                belay
                look here

                <Home <Structure <Armed Forces of the Russian Federation <Ground Forces <Armament Air Defense Forces

                see


                Quote: Yezhov
                And rightly so !!

                the buyer has already chosen

                Algeria - 38 Pantsir-S1E complexes
                Iraq - 24 units, as of 2018
                Iran: 10 Pantsir-S1E complexes, as of 2012
                UAE - 50 units 96K6, as of 2018
                Oman: up to 12 Pantsir-S1E complexes, as of 2012
                Syria - 36 96K6 complexes and 700 9M311 units delivered from Russia between 2008 and 2011. Supply is carried out under the contract of 2006, which provides for the supply of up to 50 complexes 96K6
                Ethiopia Ethiopia - may be in service as of 2019
                Serbia - Under the contract, Belgrade will receive one battery out of six Pantsire-C1 air defense missile systems

                Possible deliveries
                Brazil: 3 Pantsir-S1E and 75 9M331 missiles were selected for delivery from Russia, the first deliveries are expected in 2016.
                Equatorial Guinea - a contract has been signed for the supply of two Pantsir-C1 complexes, ammunition and logistics for them
              2. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 7 June 2020 14: 48
                +2
                The carapace, like the S-300-400, is one of the echelons of the layered defense of air defense .. Separately, they are less effective ..

                Much less effective. The system must fight. And what happened in Libya? The armor was apparently smeared on the entire front with a thin layer and apparently fought in solitary confinement without any organized interaction and VZOI.
          2. Rostov Papa
            Rostov Papa 7 June 2020 11: 35
            13
            Made such a statement Ukrainian resource Defense Express

            News from the garbage ...
            1. major147
              major147 7 June 2020 11: 49
              11
              Quote: Rostov Dad
              Made such a statement Ukrainian resource Defense Express

              News from the garbage ...

              And how they grunt cheerfully when the Turks began to use their tanks in Syria with the "shield-protection" Zaslon ". And how abruptly the fun ended when their" Zaslon "was full of holes. repeat
            2. Albert1988
              Albert1988 7 June 2020 16: 46
              +3
              And how many "knocked out armatures" they once counted in the Donbas ...
              I'm even surprised that there were only "more than 20" shells - they could immediately count "all that is" how destroyed fellow
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      3. opus
        opus 7 June 2020 12: 46
        -4
        Quote: NDR-791
        Here the question is different. Who sits at the "Pantsir" consoles. And to what extent this "who" is qualified.

        standard excuse since July 19, 1981, and maybe even since 1967
        Here is the question:
        - who taught and how they taught those who sit at the "Pantsirey" consoles
        And also the question behind the combat control post of Bayraktar TB2 and Anka-S is the same (essentially) chuchundriks (mentality, genetic code) as the Libyans / Syrians. The Syrians are still the most intelligent of these.
        The Turks, let’s say so special, are not distinguished by quick thinking. This is what Suvorov proved.
        T.ch.
        Quote: NDR-791
        I think that comments on this topic from the MO can not wait for us

        good
        Quote: NEXUS
        Under such conditions, any air defense system can be crushed by a large number of drones.

        This is not the point.
        when they designed the Armor about "a large number of drones" on the battlefield, they did not even suspect.
        Time passed, the technology changed - the carapace remained on the sidelines.
        But the Russian Defense Ministry does not want to admit this.
        And not only with the Shell we have problems
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 7 June 2020 14: 39
          +4
          standard excuse since July 19, 1981, and maybe even since 1967


          This is not an excuse, but reality. Take and compare the number of aircraft shot down by the United States and their lackeys by the Vietnamese from 65 to 74 years .. and Israeli aircraft shot down by the commonwealth of Arab states, so to speak, exactly in the same period from 67 to 73 .... As a result, "theirs" Arabs are nothing better than "our Arabs". Proven brilliantly by the Saudis these days ....
          The shell remained on the sidelines.
          But the Russian Defense Ministry does not want to admit this.

          There are no fundamental and insoluble problems here .... They are working on a new small missile defense system, improving the complex's RES. It has always been and always will be. The only thing about the Pantsyr is the doubt on the artillery side.
          - the effectiveness of fire for small missiles such as Delilah and other small and high-speed targets.
          1. opus
            opus 7 June 2020 14: 51
            0
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Take and compare the number of downed planes of the United States and their lackeys by the Vietnamese from 65 to 74 .. and

            What should I "take" if this is my reference book?
            Have you read it yourself?
            Well take a look

            We read carefully: the number of aircraft, the number of shot missiles, the result of firing
            Threat. Israel just has less aviation than the United States

            I and Libya can see if


            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Proven brilliantly by the Saudis these days ....

            the Israelis.
            They are now bending anyone on the BV: both Persians and Arabs and Syrians. And ours cannot cope with them.
            Oh yes
            Operation Rimon 20 (Operation Pomegranate) July 30, 1970 ...
            there are not Egyptians, not Syrians
            4 or 5 Soviet MiG-21 fighters piloted by Soviet pilots were shot down by Israeli F-4 Phantom and Mirage III fighters.


            In the battle of July 30, 1970, the following were killed:

            Zhuravlev Vladimir Alexandrovich - captain, senior pilot. He was awarded (posthumously) the Order of the Red Banner and the Egyptian Order of the Star of Military Valor.
            Yurchenko Nikolay Petrovich - captain, flight commander. He was awarded (posthumously) the Order of the Red Banner and the Egyptian Order of the Star of Military Valor.
            Yakovlev Evgeny Gerasimovich - captain, flight commander. He was awarded (posthumously) the Order of the Red Banner and the Egyptian Order of the Star of Military Valor.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 7 June 2020 15: 00
              +2
              Operation Rimon 20 (Operation Pomegranate) July 30, 1970 ...
              there are not Egyptians, not Syrians
              4 or 5 Soviet MiG-21 fighters piloted by Soviet pilots were shot down by Israeli F-4 Phantom and Mirage III fighters.


              And what conclusions should have been made? And what did you do in reality? Do not forget that the opponents of Soviet pilots were pilots with experience in modern air battles. Today no one has such an experience at all.

              We read carefully: the number of aircraft, the number of shot missiles, the result of firing


              Well, even from your table it’s obvious that the Arabs shoot worse, not to mention the numbers shot down require verification ...

              Have you read it yourself?


              I even read it, quite a while ago, more than a quarter century ago. Scrolling not so long ago ...
              1. opus
                opus 7 June 2020 15: 03
                0
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                not to mention that the numbers of those shot down require verification ...

                yep
                check here
            2. poquello
              poquello 7 June 2020 22: 57
              +3
              Quote: opus
              What should I "take" if this is my reference book?
              Have you read it yourself?
              Well take a look

              well, if some "genius" doped to take out an average rocket in the hospital - so we will)))))))))))))))))))))))) Consider that the missiles were launched until they were shot down))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))), but seriously, it is very stupid to draw conclusions from such statistics, because in the same Vietnam the picture of the first use of missiles and subsequent ones is completely different, the skill of opponents directly affects the result of such statistics in terms of ability assess the distance to the target or danger,
              1. opus
                opus 8 June 2020 10: 51
                0
                Quote: poquello
                well, if some "genius" has drilled a medium rocket out of the hospital - so we will))))))))))))))))

                This "genius" is so to himself.



                I understand, not authority for all.
                You are quietly talking to yourself beautifully.
                more important
                Quote: poquello
                )))))))))))))))) with


                Quote: poquello
                but seriously, it’s very stupid to draw conclusions from such statistics,

                but where are there all sorts of major generals and colonels, members of the database including, to you, able to recognize the term
                Quote: poquello
                hospital average rocket

                1. poquello
                  poquello 8 June 2020 14: 42
                  0
                  Quote: opus
                  but where are there all sorts of major generals and colonels, members of the database including, to you, able to recognize the term
                  Quote: poquello
                  hospital average rocket


                  vot, they started up the table out of context, that is, they put all generals as a "genius")))))))
                  "The effectiveness of firing in difficult conditions depends on the level of training of combat crews ..."
        2. poquello
          poquello 7 June 2020 22: 41
          +4
          Quote: opus
          when they designed the Armor about "a large number of drones" on the battlefield, they did not even suspect.
          Time passed, the technology changed - the carapace remained on the sidelines.

          detection - more than 40 targets, tracking - 3, and how much? ))))))))))))))))))))
          1. opus
            opus 7 June 2020 22: 55
            -1
            Quote: poquello
            detection - more than 40 targets, tracking - 3, and how much? ))))))))))))))))))))

            "goals", but are we talking about "drones"?
            or about aerial target E95M

            EPR with a Luneberg lens, sq.m - 7,5 (HERE IN THIS OPTION?)

            ERP with a corner reflector, sq.m - 1 ... 1,5
            Without means of increasing the EPR, sq.m - 0,15.
            and not 3 but 4 now, but according to TTZ -2


            The target elevation angle is up to 60 degrees.
            here is the "drone and used"
            1. poquello
              poquello 7 June 2020 23: 31
              +3
              Quote: opus
              The target elevation angle is up to 60 degrees.
              here is the "drone and used"

              ) Yes, this is not visible there, the first was in a hurry somewhere, the second was standing in the barn, the third was put into a twist
              1. opus
                opus 8 June 2020 11: 03
                0
                Quote: poquello
                the third shallow figula in the twist planted

                Yes, everything is known.
                1. Syrians (Libyans, Egyptians) are prevented from dancing eggs
                2. Jews, Turks, Hondurans have combat experience, we (Syrians, Iraqis, etc.) do not
                3. the sun shone in the eyes
                4. badly ate combat crew or did not sleep.
                5. and so on and so
                Repetition% the concept "Shell" is a concept of past wars, pre-dron, pre-Igil
                / but this is purely my opinion, essno
                1. poquello
                  poquello 8 June 2020 14: 52
                  0
                  Quote: opus
                  the concept of "Shell" is the concept of past wars, pre-dron, pre-Igil
                  /but this is purely my opinionessno

                  it pleases, because in my humble opinion there are no such statistics on the shell
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 7 June 2020 08: 10
      12
      I think our MO knows for sure. And how much was lost, and how, how much and what was shot down ... In Syria, we can say that they packed a lot of Turkish UAVs, so Erdogan had to "surrender" his positions and agree to a lot ... And the M5 was cleared, and the M4 on the big throughout ... If their UAVs continued to rampage in the Syrian sky, the negotiations would not work ... With Libya, everything is not clear. It looks like the general has poorly trained crews. And the technology in the hands of the savage is just scrap metal.
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 7 June 2020 08: 19
        14
        Ukrainians have always been strong in counting. During the war in the Donbass, they won dozens of Russian airborne divisions.

        I agree with the Mountain shooter - the political result is important.

        And ... drones are not a panacea for fighting. No matter how they are advertised.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 7 June 2020 08: 22
          14
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          Ukrainians have always been strong in counting.

          Yes I remember. The Buryat armored cavalry simply mowed oblique ... And the poor Pskov paratroopers - well, without an account ... Armata - and those ... Checker - r-time ... And the tower down! wassat
          1. 4ekist
            4ekist 7 June 2020 10: 45
            +9
            "Ukrainians have always been strong in counting."

            that's for sure . in the heads of calculators, the transfer of rubles into coupons and back to hryvnias, then to zloty and dollars. with the calculations everything is in order, buy-sell.
            1. major147
              major147 7 June 2020 11: 53
              +6
              Quote: 4ekist
              buy Sell.

              When there is no one left for sale, other people's profits will be counted fellow
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 7 June 2020 08: 27
          +8
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          drones are not a panacea for fighting. No matter how they are advertised.

          It depends on the nature of the database. yes
          For example, Turkish UAVs massively and intensively involved in Libya, to a large extent determined the retreat of Haftar’s troops ...

          And in the SAR, before the deployment of the normal air defense system, UAVs posed a significant threat to Assad’s forces.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 7 June 2020 13: 00
            +2
            And in the ATS, before the deployment of the normal air defense system, UAVs posed a significant threat to Assad’s forces

            Well, Syria, by the way, is very revealing in this regard. It looks like they really were able to give a serious rebuff to the Turks and their proxies. I don’t know how and on which front.
        3. Terenin
          Terenin 7 June 2020 10: 15
          12
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          Ukrainians have always been strong in counting. During the war in the Donbass, they won dozens of Russian airborne divisions.
          I agree with the Mountain shooter - the political result is important.
          And ... drones are not a panacea for fighting. No matter how they are advertised.

          winked well, what else to do in the country, how not to count other people's "kopecks" when, after the declaration of independence ... (since 1991), the economy collapsed by 40%.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 7 June 2020 10: 41
            11
            Quote: Terenin
            well, what else to do in the country, how not to count other people's "kopecks" when, after the declaration of independence ... (since 1991), the economy collapsed by 40%.

            The taming "experts" are unaware that war is going on in Libya and Syria and the loss of equipment is inevitable. It would be better to explain the dill how they stuck one of the six purchased Turkish Bayraktars into the black soil, without any interception by electronic warfare means and fire impact from the Shells and other air defense systems. That would be more interesting.
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 7 June 2020 11: 15
              11
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              It would be better if dill explained how they thrust one of the six purchased Turkish Bayraktars into chernozems without any interception by electronic warfare and fire from the shells and other air defense systems.

              Well, what do you want request if they have a former party activist and the highest security official - the secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Turchinov, when he shipped the first “Bayraktar” APUs, he said in all seriousness about the performance characteristics of the drone:
              “This new shock unmanned system takes our unmanned aircraft to a whole new level. Bayraktar TB2 can conduct reconnaissance of enemy combat positions located at a distance of up to 4000 km »
              laughing
            2. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 7 June 2020 11: 57
              +2
              Khayklam Bayraktars cost 69 million bucks. The delivery set includes 6 UAVs, 200 ASA, and a control complex.
            3. major147
              major147 7 June 2020 12: 07
              +2
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              they stuck one of six purchased Turkish Bayraktars into chernozems,

              And this is about 10 million "green American". "the price includes a set of spare parts, service support and personnel training."
              Those. how these "chubak" do not teach ..... the result on the face wassat
        4. 4ekist
          4ekist 7 June 2020 10: 35
          +5
          They would talk about the masterpiece of Ukrvoenprom M120-15 “Hammer” - a mortar of 120 mm caliber.
          On July 25, 2016, during the firing at the Shirok Lan LAN firing range in the Mykolayiv region, the Molot mortar exploded (as a result of which 1 soldier died and 8 were injured), this is the first known case of this type of mortar detonation [8].
          On July 6, 2018, during the exercises at the Rivne training ground, the Molot mortar exploded, as a result of which 3 were killed and 9 wounded in the 128th separate mountain rifle brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
      2. Mitroha
        Mitroha 7 June 2020 10: 15
        +5
        Ukrainian experts

        Umm. Is it someone related to picking berries in Europe? Or do banned girls of easy virtue miss counting?
      3. major147
        major147 7 June 2020 12: 16
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        I think our MO knows for sure.


        Wikipedia!
        During the Turkish operation "Spring Shield" (spring 2020), 8 units were declared destroyed by Turkish drones. ZRPK "Shell"; the statement is disputed (according to the statement of the Russian Ministry of Defense, there were only four such air defense systems in the Idlib zone, two of them were damaged as a result of an air strike). [88]
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    4. Terenin
      Terenin 7 June 2020 10: 41
      +8
      Quote: 210ox
      In fact, how many drones were destroyed and the "Shell" lost?

      hi
      In fact, there is a video of the destruction of two "Pantsir", but the appearance of these machines is different: one of them is not on the KamAZ chassis, like those that were exported to Syria, but on the MAN chassis, like those that were supplied to the UAE and presumably can be used in Libya. Perhaps one of the videos was filmed in Libya during the destruction of such a "Shell" and, for political reasons, was passed off as Syrian.
      Let's just say: the Syrian army lost from one to two "Shell". The Turkish side lost one large attack drone, which was shot down, another large drone either fell for technical reasons, or was "planted" by some Russian electronic warfare equipment, because there are no signs of damage in the air. Two medium Turkish drones were also shot down.
      For money it is quite comparable winked : 4 drones and 1–2 "Pantsir" combat vehicles.
      1. major147
        major147 7 June 2020 12: 10
        +2
        Quote: Terenin
        Turkish side lost

        Wikipedia!
        Losses
        According to Lostarmour [10], a website that tracks aircraft and armored vehicle losses based on photographic evidence, at least 14 Bayraktar TB2s are confirmed to be destroyed as of May 15, 2020.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 7 June 2020 12: 17
          +5
          Quote: major147
          Quote: Terenin
          Turkish side lost

          Wikipedia!
          Losses
          According to Lostarmour [10], a website that tracks aircraft and armored vehicle losses based on photographic evidence, at least 14 Bayraktar TB2s are confirmed to be destroyed as of May 15, 2020.

          Sergei hi honestly i don't mind laughing
          1. major147
            major147 7 June 2020 12: 19
            +1
            Quote: Terenin
            Sergey, to be honest, I do not mind

            Believe it or not believe Wikipedia is everyone's business. As one of the sources of information drinks hi
    5. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 7 June 2020 11: 42
      +3
      On Pantsyryam not exactly.
      For Syria, damage to 1 Armor with a photo in Idlib has been confirmed so far ...
      For Libya, the question. Probably 4-7 units of armor need to understand the photo
      Now for the Turkish drones. -18 Bayraktarov and 2 Anki lost at Aviation Safety Network with photos of the crash site.
    6. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 7 June 2020 16: 43
      0
      Everything is clear, except for one. What is Bandera ekperd, so worried about the Turks? Wants to earn money on advertising? And what does he even understand in this?
    7. Alexey from Perm
      Alexey from Perm 7 June 2020 17: 53
      0
      at you will not be told, otherwise it will turn out that the Turks and dill didn’t lie))
  2. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 7 June 2020 06: 50
    0
    After eating, the vodka counted ??? And probably it was tripled in the eyes ??? Or did it quadruple?
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 7 June 2020 08: 55
      +2
      Syria and Libya were destroyed "more than 20" anti-aircraft missile-gun systems (ZRPK) "Pantsir-S1"
      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      After eating, the vodka counted ??? And probably it was tripled in the eyes ??? Or did it quadruple?

      Yes, that’s why they didn’t finish the line: Buy SAM only from Khokhlostan! Rollback and no delivery guarantee! And why problems for themselves and people. repeat
  3. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 7 June 2020 06: 50
    +6
    information war in the face of hostilities ... in war as in war ... if this is true, then negative experience is also useful ...
  4. Fungus
    Fungus 7 June 2020 06: 52
    +6
    Almost all the shells are lost in movement, on trawls and in various hangars. That is, in an unfolded position. Although only a couple were caught and fooled by the Shell. Conclusion: The extremely clumsy use of air defense by the Libyans and Syrians.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 7 June 2020 09: 15
      -2
      Quote: Fungus
      Almost all the shells are lost in movement, on trawls and in various hangars. That is, in an unfolded position. Although only a couple were caught and fooled by the Shell. Conclusion: The extremely clumsy use of air defense by the Libyans and Syrians.

      Apparently we teach them very poorly.
    2. Ingenegr
      Ingenegr 7 June 2020 10: 16
      +4
      Conclusion - impenetrable shields do not exist. Another thesis - there is no "absolute" sword.
      Everything goes astray and destroyed. Life is not a computer game.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 June 2020 06: 52
    14
    ... Ukrainian resource Defense Express, citing its own sources.
    Well, if the sources are "own" then of course. Who will doubt the Ukrainian sources who "never lie"? This is about the downed Turkish UAVs they can lie, but about the dozens (something modest) of the destroyed "Shells" the ultimate truth. By the way, all the media went around the photos of "Shell" and more than two dozen well, no matter how typed. Some of the losses were due to the fault of those using this technique. Can you count how much and what Ukrainian was destroyed in the boilers in the Donbass? Maybe after counting the (correct) brains at least a little into place?
  6. Hagen
    Hagen 7 June 2020 06: 53
    +1
    However, the resource writes, it is not exactly known how many complexes were destroyed permanently, and how many can be restored.

    This is the most important caveat ... And there is still no substantive analysis of situations of destruction of objects, if any. Apparently, the gossip of dishwashers from a soap factory somewhere near Zhitomir was used as "their own sources". laughing
  7. Fedorov
    Fedorov 7 June 2020 07: 05
    0
    the use of unmanned aerial vehicles by the Turks as part of the swarm and the operation of Turkish radio technical monitoring and electronic suppression stations. It was these two components that helped the Turks to "suppress" the Russian air defense system in Syria and Libya.

    Russia has a war with Turkey according to the version of Khokhlostan. Well, do not rams write this.
    1. cniza
      cniza 7 June 2020 12: 20
      +1
      And the main thing for them is to shit Russia, which in fact does not bother them.
      1. kit88
        kit88 7 June 2020 13: 33
        +7
        All the same, the question arises, is Ukraine finally "cut off"? Or not quite yet?
        Here are published data from a survey of the Kiev International Institute of Sociology, where society splits into two approximately equal parts.

        According to the survey, 46,1% of Ukrainians said the country was falling apart. At the same time, 40,8% - mainly residents of the west and the center - believe that Ukraine "stitches together as a country and follows the path of unification."

        47,3% of respondents are sure that Ukraine, although slowly, is turning into a modern state. However, for 46%, life in the country is becoming increasingly unbearable.

        49,1% believe that the main thing now is to develop the country's economy, 29,6% disagree with them and primarily want to “win the war”. Moreover, almost half - 48,8% - of Ukrainians favor negotiations with Russia and representatives of the republics of Donbass. Another 35,1% say that it is impossible to make concessions.

        55,5% of respondents voted for a full transition to the Ukrainian language, 29,8% want Russian to become the second official language


        It is possible to write off Ukraine early. And the comrades in the Kremlin responsible for making decisions need to work tirelessly in this direction.
        1. cniza
          cniza 7 June 2020 16: 57
          +1
          How much can you trust these studies, and a more stable state can also be destroyed, they decide what will happen next not in Kiev, this is the whole problem.
  8. Thrifty
    Thrifty 7 June 2020 07: 11
    +4
    Gentlemen - comrades administrators VO! You put the phrase "uk-Roin experts" in quotation marks like mine! There every gopher in the field is an agronomist, and every flea commands a pack of dogs! Then the phrase "sofa experts" should generally be written in large letters! hi
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 7 June 2020 10: 08
      +1
      YOU are in vain trying to explain something to these "admins". I got the feeling that the "admins" on VO-gazers are from the central and western regions of the outskirts.
  9. Strashila
    Strashila 7 June 2020 07: 12
    -2
    "The agency calls the use of drones in a swarm by the Turks and the work of Turkish radio-technical monitoring and electronic suppression stations as the reason for the success of Turkish weapons." Such a quantitative experience of application in real combat conditions of our time, what other complex in the world can boast of it. It remains an open question who is using them and how.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 7 June 2020 07: 58
      +2
      A swarm of drones has nothing to do with Turkey now.

      They are quite a single-acting pair. This is not a swarm. Roy (or his likeness) tried to make Israel in large raids on the bases of Syria. Where cheap kamikaze drones were massively used to break through and destroy air defense, to push the missile launcher into the gap that appeared.



      By the way, the next WingLong near Syria was caught by the Sparrow. Nevertheless, the Turks established air defense forces of the Navy and promptly support the advanced forces, even in Sirte. Which, however, failed to be taken from the attack of Toyota yesterday. The rearguards knocked them out, and judging by the morning reports, Haftar decided to defend the city after talking with Sisi.

      Here is the battered toyotr that was torn in Sirte.
      https://twitter.com/Leo58883/status/1269438393827627010

      However, now they have rolled back to 5-10km. And they are waiting for the approach of the main forces. Today tomorrow they will try to take the airport and Sirte itself.

      The map is a bit outdated but clear. The inhabited west of Libya is completely under the PNS.
  10. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 7 June 2020 07: 21
    +7
    The number of victories grows in direct proportion to the growth of the propaganda motivation of commentators. I personally haven't seen twenty photos of different destroyed Shells - a couple of at most ... And the big question is what the crews did in those "battles"
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 7 June 2020 09: 41
      -6
      You can count the other way around: how many shells are left?
      In the Tripoli area there were many of them. More than 10 for sure.
      The whole area is lost. The trophies captured one whole.
      One was seen retreating along with the Wagner PMC machines.
      That is, approximately 10 pieces were destroyed.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 7 June 2020 09: 48
        +8
        Quote: voyaka uh
        In the Tripoli area there were many of them. More than 10 for sure.

        Where does the data come from? OBS?
        . The trophies captured one whole.
        One was seen retreating
        Agree
        That is, approximately 10 pieces were destroyed.
        And the conclusion from the category of owl and globe
        You can count the other way around:
        It can be considered as anything, only without material evidence it is impossible to count.
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 7 June 2020 12: 05
        +1
        You do not explain your math. I took 10, subtracted 1, received the remainder 9. How is it? You got the rest - 0, all 10 were killed.
        1. poquello
          poquello 8 June 2020 00: 07
          +3
          Quote: Cyril G ...
          You do not explain your math. I took 10, subtracted 1, received the remainder 9. How is it? You got the rest - 0, all 10 were killed.

          well this is an old method of counting
          - A cup of coffee - 12, it turned out - 50, total - 300.
          - What does it mean - “succeeded”? Do you know how to count?
          - Well ... So it didn’t work out ...
      3. cniza
        cniza 7 June 2020 12: 18
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh

        One was seen retreating along with the Wagner PMC machines.


        Without irony, how can I confirm the information about the Wagner PMC machines and what is their peculiarity that they are so classified?
      4. user1212
        user1212 7 June 2020 12: 37
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        One was seen retreating along with the Wagner PMC machines

        But Mozart's PMC covering them did not light up. Beethoven’s PMCs still covered them from the air, all of them being contract soldiers of an armored airmobile brigade of horse-drawn submarines laughing
  11. DVR
    DVR 7 June 2020 07: 36
    +7
    All they have to do is count.
    They will not be able to produce anything with all their will.
    1. cniza
      cniza 7 June 2020 12: 14
      0
      They like to consider, especially that of their neighbor, theirs is not very good and nothing.
  12. Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 7 June 2020 08: 24
    +4
    Again kaklov aggravation? By the way, why so little? Why 23, not 230, or is there 2300?
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 7 June 2020 10: 05
      +2
      230 or is there 2300?
      For chubaty, the "0" key does not print. So they were "modest" ..
      1. cniza
        cniza 7 June 2020 12: 13
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        230 or is there 2300?
        For chubaty, the "0" key does not print. So they were "modest" ..


        They sunk into them from frequent use.
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 7 June 2020 12: 14
          0
          Quite possible. Sorry, I didn’t think ...)
  13. Demagogue
    Demagogue 7 June 2020 08: 45
    10 th
    Shell-s1 against small targets with its Pfar seems to be untenable. It is necessary to send the shell-cm with afar to compensate for the negative PR.
    1. Yok Migarek
      Yok Migarek 7 June 2020 09: 32
      0
      Here's a look at the "ineffective" work of the Shell:
      https://youtu.be/8JeDP7ObbFg
      1. Demagogue
        Demagogue 7 June 2020 09: 35
        11 th
        And what is it for? In order for the target to fire, it must be seen again. At Bayraktar, the Turks reduced the EPR very significantly. Only radars with afar give good resolution for such small-sized targets.
        1. Yok Migarek
          Yok Migarek 7 June 2020 09: 56
          +1
          How did they shoot drones without seeing the target?
          1. Demagogue
            Demagogue 7 June 2020 10: 00
            -4
            From a gun point-blank? Well yes. But who told you that the drones were from the same RPM as Bayraktar? And the drones did not launch their missiles on the Shells, like Bayraktar.
            If the Shell-s1 was so good, why did they start changing radars on it? And on the corvettes the same radar was replaced.
            You are in the sect of non-witnesses of modern electronics there are absolutely wonderful guys. Lay out a crooked video as proof of work
            complex))))
          2. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 9 June 2020 16: 40
            0
            Your interlocutor, in principle, does not understand what AFAR is (so somewhere I heard a smart word laughing ), how such a radar works, and what is the problem and the catch in general.
      2. loki565
        loki565 7 June 2020 10: 11
        +3
        Here's a look at the "ineffective" work of the Shell:
        https://youtu.be/8JeDP7ObbFg

        When they stop posting the game Arma3 ???))) And even in the game it's not a shell but a phalanx)))
        1. Yok Migarek
          Yok Migarek 7 June 2020 22: 13
          +1
          Quote: loki565
          Here's a look at the "ineffective" work of the Shell:
          https://youtu.be/8JeDP7ObbFg

          When they stop posting the game Arma3 ???))) And even in the game it's not a shell but a phalanx)))

          Yes, sorry! Really cartoon. I am ashamed! I just don’t play toys ... I bought a beautiful picture.
    2. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 7 June 2020 10: 13
      +1
      Quote: Demagogue
      It is necessary to send the shell-cm with afar to compensate for the negative PR.

      Who needs? Who sent them there at all?
      1. Demagogue
        Demagogue 7 June 2020 10: 18
        -5
        Arabs sent. But that is no longer important. To improve export prospects, it is necessary to prove the work of a UAV with a low EPR))
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 7 June 2020 10: 22
          +3
          Why should I care about the further fate of the sold instrument, especially if it is used incorrectly by a third party?
          1. Demagogue
            Demagogue 7 June 2020 10: 27
            -5
            You shouldn't. You do not sell military equipment. And our state must prove the viability of its air defense and warfare systems. There have already been questions in Syria. The Turks used the koral reb system, and we used ours. The Turks studied the possibilities of overcoming our reb and air defense. And it turned out. We need to draw conclusions.
            1. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 7 June 2020 10: 37
              +2
              Quote: Demagogue
              You shouldn't.

              Do not pretend. You perfectly understood that it was not about me personally.
              Quote: Demagogue
              And our state must prove the viability of its air defense and warfare systems.

              It proved it before the sale, otherwise it would not have been. Who is to blame for the fact that the technique in the hands of the savage is iron? Incompetent use of equipment is not a fact of its discrimination.
              A burning example:

              1. Demagogue
                Demagogue 7 June 2020 10: 55
                -6
                It’s more complicated. Shell-s1 is out of date. Probably interference was also involved. Afar radar has an lpi mode that allows you to detect targets without spotting the radar. For air defense, where everything is on the same platform, this is important. Old radars were apparently calculated by work easily and then carried out complexes. Plus, afar is much higher noise immunity. So it’s not only the operators of the equipment. Plus, there might be no Haftar jamming stations.
                1. Vasyan1971
                  Vasyan1971 7 June 2020 11: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: Demagogue
                  It’s more complicated.

                  And therefore
                  Quote: Demagogue
                  need a shell-cm with afar send
                  ? Not even sell, to send! For the sake of
                  Quote: Demagogue
                  improving export prospects
                  ! Yeah! For whose sake? For what? To be shot there directly on the trailer or in an open field on a hill. And why? Because somewhere in Ukraine, did someone write?
                  That's for sure - demagoguery.
                  1. Demagogue
                    Demagogue 7 June 2020 11: 29
                    -8
                    What does Ukraine have to do with it? Shooting on a trailer is our other problem. There is nothing to answer the shock of Turkish UAVs. Loss of initiative in the air. They hang in the air constantly and quickly can move forward and strike at the identified target. But Haftar needs to raise aviation, and this time and moment is lost. We see the war of the future here.
                    And sending shells from afar will pay off if they can hold back the drones. But the most important thing: we will know the real capabilities of the complex and have the best practices to combat modern UAVs. Isn't it obvious?
                    And what has this Ukraine been given to you? Only bots write about it on both sides. Are you a bot
                    1. Vasyan1971
                      Vasyan1971 7 June 2020 11: 42
                      +3
                      Quote: Demagogue
                      What does Ukraine have to do with it?

                      Quote: Demagogue
                      And what has this Ukraine been given to you? Only bots write about it on both sides.

                      Because the trigger was:
                      In Ukraine, the number of Pantsir-C1 air defense missile systems destroyed by Turkey was calculated

                      Refresh your memory, return to the top of the publication page. wassat
                      Quote: Demagogue
                      Shooting on a trailer is our other problem.

                      This is the problem of the barmaley, so substitute that all sorts of different ones then stand up for free deliveries of the latest air defense developments for free and uninvited, like
                      Quote: Demagogue
                      And sending shells with afar will pay off

                      Especially
                      Quote: Demagogue
                      if they can hold back the drones
                      in the hands of inadequate and incompetent characters. Yeah.
                      Quote: Demagogue
                      Isn't it obvious?

                      By no means.
                      However, you can chip in with friends and send a couple, grateful natives. To the glory of the triumph of Russian weapons.
                      Quote: Demagogue
                      Are you a bot

                      Himself so! lol In addition - a demagogue. wassat
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                      2. Vasyan1971
                        Vasyan1971 7 June 2020 12: 15
                        +2
                        Quote: Demagogue
                        If you follow your logic, then you are a monkey, and I would say that it’s not quite humanoid))

                        Three "Ha!" I knew that in the absence of normal arguments, nothing else will be left for you but a drain into attempts at insults. laughing I followed exactly your logic.
                        Quote: Demagogue
                        Are you a bot
                        laughing
                        Quote: Demagogue
                        My memory is fresh, I have never mentioned the word Ukraine.

                        What for? It is in the title of the article that served as the impetus for your reasoning.
                        Quote: Demagogue
                        The Arabs pay the lion's share there. If they pay for sending new shells, then what would not be.

                        So in that case, refer to the Arabic version of VO and advise similar tips there.
                        Quote: Demagogue
                        But the most important thing: we will know the real capabilities of the complex and have the best practices to combat modern UAVs. Isn't it obvious?

                        Quote: Demagogue
                        To improve export prospects, it is necessary to prove the work of a UAV with a low EPR))

                        Quote: Demagogue
                        It is necessary to send the shell-cm with afar to compensate for the negative PR.

                        Here the Arabs will be delighted when a demagogue offers them to compensate for negative PR and to improve the export prospects of Russian weapons, it is not weak, so, to fork out. wassat
                        And who will actually sell exactly what you offer to them? wassat
                  2. Disant
                    Disant 7 June 2020 13: 29
                    0
                    Shooting on a trailer is our other problem ..... We see the war of the future here
                    ??
                    what’s talking about - present at least one video of the destroyed shell in a battle with a working radar - after all, all the killings were recorded from a gunner
              2. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 7 June 2020 12: 15
                0

                наш

                Syrian

                United Arab Emirates

                Ours is already a new SOC, it can be seen .... LPI mode very much cuts the detection range and is applicable only against older systems. For example, Pastels with new software, after 2014, they completely discover LPI
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 June 2020 08: 52
    +5
    It would be better if we counted how many planes the banderlogs lost without any shells.
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 7 June 2020 09: 20
    +1
    "According to the known contracts, the price of one Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system for export deliveries ranges from 13,15 to 14,67 million US dollars."
    "The Ukrainian side still signed a contract worth $ 69 million. The delivery will include six Bayraktar TB2 UAVs, two ground control stations and 200 guided missiles (apparently, Roketsan MAM-L). The price also includes a set of spare parts, service support and training. personnel. "
    Compare and evaluate yourself.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 7 June 2020 09: 41
    +4
    Well, for some nkbrvtyevs, each destroyed "Pantsir" anti-aircraft complex produced by the Russian Federation is their personal gain. lol
    1. cniza
      cniza 7 June 2020 12: 10
      +2
      Moreover, it is not possible to check ...
  • certero
    certero 7 June 2020 09: 49
    +2
    And why the heck do we need to know what the Ukrainians considered there? They can’t write anything but nonsense.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 7 June 2020 10: 26
      +8
      Quote: certero
      And why the heck do we need to know what the Ukrainians considered there?

      So there are more than half of them here on the site yes

      Quote: certero
      They can’t write anything but nonsense.

      for their own, they are lying ... otherwise, if you tell the truth then ...
      In a word, in Ukraine, some people lie, others believe, and they call it - understanding winked
      1. cniza
        cniza 7 June 2020 12: 09
        +4
        So there are more than half of them here on the site


        What is the truth there are so many of them? belay Greetings! hi
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 7 June 2020 12: 14
          +4
          Quote: cniza
          So there are more than half of them here on the site


          What is the truth there are so many of them? belay Greetings! hi

          Do not worry stop less than on Maidan yes ...till
          Welcome hi
          1. cniza
            cniza 7 June 2020 12: 28
            +2
            Well, thank God, and Maidan on V.O. will not work ...
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 7 June 2020 13: 17
              +4
              Quote: cniza
              Well, thank God, and Maidan on V.O. will not work ...

              Everything will depend on the policies of the copyright holders of this website. winked
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 7 June 2020 10: 02
    +1
    Competent publication and expert opinion, it's interesting to find out. But after the word "Ukrainian .." a picture is presented: a forelock ragul, sitting in a pigsty, in an embroidered shirt, under the melodic grunting of a pig, writes his "competent opinion" on a smartphone.
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 7 June 2020 10: 10
    +5
    How gracefully Russian-made air defense in the crooked hands of the aborigines turned into "Russian air defense in Syria and Libya." wassat Not a brotherly classic!
  • Moor_Zeek
    Moor_Zeek 7 June 2020 10: 14
    +1
    Interestingly, the Armor was destroyed, and not some Buki laughing
    Turkish expensive drones, and not some artillery there laughing

    Well, then what MUST conclude after this information? laughing laughing laughing
  • Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich 7 June 2020 10: 39
    +1
    Gentlemen, when you put a minus, at least justify, otherwise I don’t know you are faceless, I’m not a seer, you can write at least in a personal letter, I don’t bite, and whoever doesn’t understand jokes, it’s not for me, it's for a psychiatrist hi .
  • Asad
    Asad 7 June 2020 10: 46
    +5
    37 years ago, he served as a radar operator, well, they put me in a shell that I will navoyu? They will pick up the basmachi on the announcement, then they lose the air defense systems!
  • Amadeus Ivanov
    Amadeus Ivanov 7 June 2020 10: 55
    +1
    And also, as the Ukrainian media say, thousands of Kalashnikovs were captured by Russian enemies ....
  • iouris
    iouris 7 June 2020 11: 25
    +1
    Only in Ukraine "experts" and "know how to count"? For several years you have been shown a certain Vyacheslav Nikolaevich as an "expert in Ukraine".
  • cniza
    cniza 7 June 2020 12: 06
    +3
    It was these two components that helped the Turks to "suppress" the Russian air defense system in Syria and Libya.


    Even so, in which there is great doubt, this is not Russian air defense ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 7 June 2020 12: 32
      +1
      Air defense is such a broad concept ... but even pulling it on Syria is problematic (except for the Khmeimim base), we will not talk about Libya at all, because there is nothing to talk about.
      1. cniza
        cniza 7 June 2020 12: 33
        +2
        Especially about some Shells ... hi
  • rocket757
    rocket757 7 June 2020 12: 27
    +1
    Mathematics, logic after the jumpers ... this is nonsense, incompatible.
    1. cniza
      cniza 7 June 2020 12: 34
      +2
      But they really want to spoil us, that’s why they philosophize than not getting there.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 7 June 2020 13: 11
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        here they philosophize than not getting.

        it’s too loud, there’s nothing to philosophize there, there are no convolutions in that nogogu-mogul, only bubbles.
        1. cniza
          cniza 7 June 2020 16: 53
          +2
          I suspect that goglya - the grave is already completely lost and there is no one to blow bubbles ...
  • Guards turn
    Guards turn 7 June 2020 12: 52
    +1
    The Baltic Fleet will receive four new ships armed with Shells. The Baltic Fleet in the near future will receive a series of six small missile ships with Caliber cruise missiles, four of which will be armed with the Panzir-M naval anti-aircraft missile and gun systems.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 7 June 2020 13: 08
      0
      We have a comprehensive, full-fledged air defense, "Pantsir" on the ship, this is the last line, just in case.
      It is different from the mobile version.
  • kit88
    kit88 7 June 2020 13: 16
    +8
    It is clear that all their data can be safely divided by 10.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 7 June 2020 13: 32
      +1
      This data / information from the area of ​​hostilities should be DIVIDED by .... "information from dill" can be overwritten safely, there is NO INFORMATION THERE.
  • huntsman650
    huntsman650 7 June 2020 16: 51
    0
    Everyone is good in their place. The carapace is good for combating CR. The range is not enough for drones. In the division there was a Dirk, the Sea Shell, never knocked anything. It did not reach him, everyone shot down Daggers (Thor). And the course parameter for the target is not enough for him.
    All about the shortcomings https://yandex.ru/turbo/s/bmpd.livejournal.com/197121.html
  • Baloo
    Baloo 7 June 2020 21: 24
    0
    Can official banderlog comments be trusted? I somehow trust Pogrebinsky more,
    Mikhail Pogrebinsky
    Thursday
    The Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Aleksey Danilov said that the Russian Federation is an artificial entity and will fall apart sooner or later. This was stated by Danilov in an interview with one of the Ukrainian TV channels.

    "I clearly realized to myself that in the state in which the Russian Federation is, it is an artificial formation. I cannot understand what relation Ichkeria has to the Russian Federation - is Russia? What relation do other peoples have to the Russian Federation? It is an artificial formation, which in its time was collected in the same way under machine guns. No one there voluntarily entered there, this is a combined territory that will sooner or later fall apart. We also understand that this will not happen as quickly as we would like it to be, but what it is will be in our lifetime - this is 100% ", - he said.
    He "clearly realized for himself" - well, you know - clearly and realized! DB
    So with the armor, but still the article looks superficial.
  • MA3UTA
    MA3UTA 8 June 2020 02: 15
    0
    Propaganda on both sides of the barricades should carefully declare the enormous damage to the enemy, and their modest losses.

    All information about losses. Clearly and in fact.

    https://lostarmour.info/syria/
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 8 June 2020 04: 18
    +1
    - "This statement was made by the Ukrainian resource Defense Express with reference to its own sources" - of course, the regional committee was in advance !!! There is a good joke about "pants" on this topic! "Armor" then what ???! if the leadership has camel drivers.
    1. Torak
      Torak 9 June 2020 19: 08
      0
      Oh well! Everything is just the same. Already 122 shells have been destroyed. Watch and enjoy. Like little girls ....
      https://twitter.com/i/status/1270249418579759104
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 8 June 2020 08: 03
    +1
    Is there video evidence for so many goals? I saw a chopped video in the comments there are only three and all are not on alert.
    1. Torak
      Torak 9 June 2020 19: 08
      0
      Well, you really, here it is! Everything is as it is. Already 122 shells have been destroyed. Watch and enjoy. Like little girls ....
      https://twitter.com/i/status/1270249418579759104
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 8 June 2020 10: 41
    -1
    Striking weapons will always have great tactical superiority over defensive weapons.
  • Sergey10789
    Sergey10789 8 June 2020 16: 59
    0
    The funny thing is that in a parallel branch, in all seriousness, people are discussing the reason why the S-300 are "silent" in Syria
    1. Torak
      Torak 9 June 2020 19: 07
      0
      What is there to discuss? There is only one reason - state treason.
      1. Sergey10789
        Sergey10789 9 June 2020 19: 22
        +1
        What are you talking about?))) Who cheated on whom?)
  • remal
    remal 9 June 2020 04: 27
    0
    To put Carapace-M on tracks, on a platform like Uranus-9. An interesting car would be to guard the bases. Laser defense is now more relevant.
  • Torak
    Torak 9 June 2020 18: 59
    0
    Oh well! Everything is just the same. Already 122 shells have been destroyed. Watch and enjoy. Like little girls ....
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1270249418579759104
    1. Sergey10789
      Sergey10789 9 June 2020 19: 32
      +1
      And where is 122?))) I saw one!)
      1. Torak
        Torak 9 June 2020 20: 48
        0
        That was the irony. Like, on the contrary, everything. By the way, you can see from the instruments that they spotted the Turk for a long time, but did not strain and impressively shot down at a distance of 3 km. EW campaign works and does not see the Turks Patsyr.
    2. Sergey10789
      Sergey10789 9 June 2020 19: 44
      0
      And they don’t rejoice like children))) probably not just they were given the destruction ...
      1. Torak
        Torak 9 June 2020 20: 54
        0
        Just simple. Veli was very long and impressively shot down right under his nose. Surely the Turks were blinded by EW