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“Russian SAMs are incompetent”: Chinese media urge to take systems from China

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Chinese media have recently focused on criticizing the Russian S-300 and S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems located in Syria, pointing to their inability to provide air defense for the country. According to publications from the Middle Kingdom, they should be replaced by a more "competent" FD-2000 system from China. “Competent”, as stated, in terms of detecting and characterizing a target.


The Vietnamese drew attention to these materials appearing in the Chinese press. news Portal Soha. According to him, over the past ten years, the PRC has been carrying out phased replacement of air defense systems of Russian origin. The latest creation created as part of this process is the HQ-9B long-range air defense system.

The Chinese constantly boast that the HQ-9 computer-electronic system is superior to the S-300 of Russia

- indicates Soha.

According to the Vietnamese publication, in 2015, about a quarter of Chinese “anti-aircraft guns” were of Russian origin, but now their number is only about 10%. If earlier, at the time of its appearance, HQ-9 was a system significantly inferior to analogues from the Russian Federation, then after 10 years of development and modernization (including through the “export” of technologies from Russia and the USA), it is, according to experts from China has clear advantages.

According to Soha, the HQ-9 radar is clearly copied from the S-300 systems. At the same time, the warhead of the Chinese complex has a lot in common with the American Patriot. FD-2000 is an export version of this complex. Its range is up to 300 km, the radar sees the targets at a similar distance. This station already worked in Syria: Type 120 was captured by rebels in 2013.

According to Chinese media, the S-300 and S-400 showed "complete incompetence" in Syria. In this regard, Damascus needs to pay close attention to the FD-2000. According to the Vietnamese publication, this information campaign, which began at the end of 2019, is taking place against the background of the lack of foreign orders. Despite the fact that Turkey, Egypt and Iraq expressed interest in the FD-2000, contracts with these countries have not been concluded.

Although the HQ-9 has not yet been tested in combat, the Chinese are still trying to promote that their system is superior to the S-300 and S-400 of Russia.

- notes the Vietnamese edition of Soha.

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  1. svp67
    svp67 6 June 2020 08: 43 New
    26
    Yes, yes ... Peru at one time was "bought" by Chinese advertising, very sorry after that ...
    1. Uncle Izya
      Uncle Izya 6 June 2020 10: 27 New
      -2
      What did they buy Chinese tanks?
      1. svp67
        svp67 6 June 2020 12: 15 New
        +5
        Quote: Uncle Izya
        What did they buy Chinese tanks?

        No, Chinese air defense radars
        1. Uncle Izya
          Uncle Izya 6 June 2020 20: 38 New
          +3
          And in electronics, the Chinese made a breakthrough, scanners will start releasing for 28 nanometer electronics with 90 nm, a jump
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 6 June 2020 12: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, yes ... Peru at one time was "bought" by Chinese advertising, very sorry after that ...

      Well, actually, a good thing doesn't need advertising. repeat On this bought not Peru, but sold out officials of Peru. And they are not the last, for their number is a legion. angry
  2. letinant
    letinant 6 June 2020 08: 46 New
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    Oh, I have these Chinese experts and the Chinese media. However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased. Bouncers.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 6 June 2020 08: 57 New
      +6
      Quote: letinant
      Oh, I have these Chinese experts and the Chinese media. However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased. Bouncers.

      It seems the Chinese are already all and sundry trolls.
      Although the HQ-9 has not yet been tested in combat, the Chinese are still trying to promote that their system is superior to the S-300 and S-400 of Russia.
      - notes Vietnamese edition Soha.

      But actually, the black leg will break: Soha, Sohu .... belay
    2. major147
      major147 6 June 2020 09: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: letinant
      Oh, these Chinese experts and the Chinese media. However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased.

      HQ-9 radars are clearly copied from the S-300 systems.

      Guess why three times! lol
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 8 June 2020 00: 18 New
        0
        Quote: major147
        Quote: letinant
        Oh, these Chinese experts and the Chinese media. However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased.

        HQ-9 radars are clearly copied from the S-300 systems.

        Guess why three times! lol

        Yes, then, that fairy tales about technology are needed only to squeeze the Russian presence in Syria. For the sake of the pro-Chinese Iranians. which of course will be on the "most advanced" Chinese technology.
    3. Tusv
      Tusv 6 June 2020 10: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: letinant
      However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased. Bouncers.

      And a ballistic target simulator at a distance of 210 they were hit by an export rocket, which is not possible, according to Wikipedia bully There was enthusiasm about this. Let them try to repeat their HQ-9B. BUT!!! Someone needs to vtyuhivat something. Moreover, we took away the contract for the Turkish missile defense in the most implicit manner. Tender then, the Chinese won
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 6 June 2020 10: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: letinant
      Oh, I have these Chinese experts and the Chinese media. However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased. Bouncers.

      So bought to gut! Just knowing their methods, WHY was it to sell them such a small amount ?!
    5. Dikson
      Dikson 6 June 2020 12: 54 New
      +1
      They bought it in order to take it apart and make it ... Again .. against the backdrop of the Syrian and Libyan "intercepts" ... The reputation of our air defense systems was not badly affected .. Israeli rockets fly through the S-300 and the Armor? Fly .. Here you have an offer from our Chinese brothers did not take long to wait ..
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 6 June 2020 15: 13 New
        +1
        Are you sure you are flying through?
        Do you know what the S-400 destruction range is for a cruise missile crawling near the ground?
      2. Sergey10789
        Sergey10789 6 June 2020 16: 03 New
        -2
        What ???? And since when is the S-300 obliged to shoot cruise missiles and aircraft? As far as I know, anti-air defense effectively "works" only in the system. Putting the S-300 division without a lower “link” will not be of any use. Again, the fighter, attack aircraft, helicopters and non-ballistic missiles from the S-300 will NEVER fire - this is not her level.
        In general, to consider some kind of system as a unit and evaluate its effectiveness as a unit is pretty stupid. It is not for nothing that at each level of the staff structure there are funds: MANPADS are in the interests of the battalion, in the interests of the regiment these are some “Tunguzks” and “Pantsyrs”, in the Torah and Beech divisions, etc. S-300 in Syria without full ones below standing links, just a pathos reminder to someone there: "Guys, we set up a radar like a radar, and, as if cho, we see you all ..." and nothing more.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 6 June 2020 17: 16 New
          +7
          Quote: Sergey10789
          Again, the fighter, attack aircraft, helicopters and non-ballistic missiles from the S-300 will NEVER fire - this is not her level.

          Seriously???
          C-300B It is a front-line air defense system and was intended for the destruction of ground and aviation ballistic missiles (type SRAM), cruise missiles, strategic and tactical aircraft, barring active jammers, combat helicopters in the conditions of massive use of these air attack weapons, in difficult air and jamming situations , when conducting concealed troops maneuvering hostilities.

          S-300P / PT / PM / PMU (1/2) It is intended for the defense of administrative and industrial facilities, stationary command posts, headquarters and military bases against attacks by strategic and tactical aircraft, as well as strategic cruise and aeroballistic missiles.

          The main problem in Syria is not the inability to lower everything that flies from the sky and does not overeat at the request "friend / foe", but the lack of an order for this action from the Kremlin.
          1. Sergey10789
            Sergey10789 6 June 2020 18: 22 New
            -6
            Just say one thing: are all Wikipedia experts like you here? Or are you unique? “Front-line” - this does not mean that it is at the front, right at the front line. This means that it acts in the interests of the front! Actually, you yourself answered your question why the s-300 is intended. Actually, it’s possible to go for a bunny with KPV and NSV. But why?)
        2. letinant
          letinant 6 June 2020 19: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: Sergey10789
          What ???? And since when is the S-300 obliged to shoot cruise missiles and aircraft? As far as I know, anti-air defense effectively "works" only in the system. Putting the S-300 division without a lower “link” will not be of any use. Again, the fighter, attack aircraft, helicopters and non-ballistic missiles from the S-300 will NEVER fire - this is not her level.
          In general, to consider some kind of system as a unit and evaluate its effectiveness as a unit is pretty stupid. It is not for nothing that at each level of the staff structure there are funds: MANPADS are in the interests of the battalion, in the interests of the regiment these are some “Tunguzks” and “Pantsyrs”, in the Torah and Beech divisions, etc. S-300 in Syria without full ones below standing links, just a pathos reminder to someone there: "Guys, we set up a radar like a radar, and, as if cho, we see you all ..." and nothing more.

          What kind of billiard is this? How do you get such knowledge about the S-300? This is not a missile defense system but an air defense system! I served on the S-300 and I can tell you with confidence that all of the above goals, plus cruise missiles, are targets of this complex. Small radius complexes are intended for firing at suddenly appearing targets. And the S-300, for targets located at medium and long distances. Why they do not shoot in Syria, then there is no order.
          1. Sergey10789
            Sergey10789 6 June 2020 21: 41 New
            -3
          2. Sergey10789
            Sergey10789 6 June 2020 21: 46 New
            -3
            And they do not shoot because one shot and the entire division of the STAR ...
            1. Dikson
              Dikson 6 June 2020 22: 00 New
              +5
              Listen .. But it’s not even the performance characteristics of these complexes, and not whether there is an order for their work or not .. There were loud statements and reports about the deployment in Syria? There were. Israel even calmed down for a while .. As a result of what? And in the end - that there is this S-300, that it is not .. And this is just that reason for the Chinese to speak with their proposals .. And the hype around the Shell .. Yes, these specialists will figure out what worked there and what stood off or to those who shot back ... So, they picked up a key to the Shell .. And you can break spears about improper use or force majeure for any length of time .. - there is only one result in the war. Who hit the target, he won. And the Chinese have every right to use this result in order to advertise their goods .. Like any other seller ..
          3. Sergey10789
            Sergey10789 7 June 2020 09: 14 New
            -2
            Bileberd ???? Bileberd ????
    6. iouris
      iouris 6 June 2020 14: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: letinant
      However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased.

      Those officials who sell single samples to China can be considered Chinese agents. Theft of military technology would cost China more.
      1. letinant
        letinant 6 June 2020 19: 57 New
        0
        Quote: iouris
        Quote: letinant
        However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased.

        Those officials who sell single samples to China can be considered Chinese agents. Theft of military technology would cost China more.

        Do you know what a regiment kit is? These are several divisions, a command post, support systems. The regimental set can close the territory of almost any region. This is definitely not a single purchase.
    7. 4ekist
      4ekist 6 June 2020 18: 32 New
      +2
      Their principle is this: buy-copy - and try to do better.
  3. prior
    prior 6 June 2020 08: 50 New
    +9
    It wasn’t a bobbin,
    The wrong person was sitting in the cockpit ....
    The point is not in technology, but in the decisions of members in high offices ...
  4. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 6 June 2020 08: 57 New
    +6
    And where did the Chinese air defense systems confirm their competence?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 6 June 2020 09: 03 New
      -19
      Well, where are the Russians. Multi-defense against drones with Ali Express? And then, there the Torah is insured mainly so that, God forbid, does not fall into the territory, it is better to throw an additional Tor, so that it will surely fall apart.

      Israel is bombing wherever it wants - the S-300, Buki and others are not a hindrance to it.
      Turkey as a whole completed the task. And the UAV began to fall only when the Bukee drove up. Even the Syrians claimed 20 shot down by beeches.

      In Libya, everything is bad. Another shell in the hangar banged.


      But in Libya - Haftar decided to surpass even the Saudis. He left more than 50 tanks and self-propelled guns at the bases.





      So you can kill any modern air defense system. wink For there are almost no real wars with air defense. Or the shock side has overwhelming advantages, the level of 100-200 MFI4 / 4 + against S-200/125.
      1. The popuas
        The popuas 6 June 2020 09: 17 New
        20
        And what do you offer on drones with s400 wassat ... and the sidebar stuck sideways to the article fool
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 6 June 2020 09: 21 New
          -23
          Haftar suddenly has a Shell and not only on Manah.
          The answer is about air defense, not about the HQ-9. Simply, if you take HQ-9 / S-300 / S-400, then these systems are united by one thing = ZERO PARTICIPATION IN BATTLES. Again, standing in Hmeimim on the DB is the same as standing on the Indian border in the DB, working in mountainous terrain and being ready for direct combat use on Indian planes, which also fly there and simulate attacks (as well as Chinese Indians )
          1. The popuas
            The popuas 6 June 2020 09: 25 New
            22
            They forgot about the havtar well, now we’ll study this passage ... Well, where are the Russians? Multi-defense from drones with Ali Express? .... drones shot down? Shot down ... the article is about long-range defense systems, I ask the question again! Do you offer drones to work with 300 s400, if yes, then I have bad news for you fool
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 6 June 2020 09: 30 New
              -18
              Well, what about the F-16 or strike ammunition? You yourself know who - strike wherever they want, including attacks on the neighboring base, where the S-300 stood. And zero activity wink .

              Therefore, I repeat again:
              HQ-9 / S-300 / S-400 - then these systems are united by one = ZERO PARTICIPATION IN BATTLES
              1. The popuas
                The popuas 6 June 2020 09: 32 New
                16
                You tell me about drones with AliExpress, answer that you’re spinning like a pan laughing
                1. donavi49
                  donavi49 6 June 2020 09: 37 New
                  -19
                  Well, where are the Russians. Multi-defense against drones with Ali Express? And then, there the Torah is insured mainly so that, God forbid, does not fall into the territory, it is better to throw an additional Tor, so that it will surely fall apart.


                  So - it’s generally written in negative. Thor's rocket stands like an entire attacking swarm of drones.

                  Initially, I wrote this at this end:

                  So you can kill any modern air defense system. wink For there are almost no real wars with air defense. Or the shock side has overwhelming advantages, the level of 100-200 MFI4 / 4 + against S-200/125.


                  Assuming that standing in the multi-layered air defense of Khmeimim as a whole is not much different from standing in Rostov and does not differ in any way from the standing of Chinese air defense in the hot zone of the current Indo-Chinese disputes. Where the air forces of both countries actively maneuver and simulate attacks.

                  That is, the original, to which I replied:
                  And where did the Chinese air defense systems confirm their competence?


                  It can also be addressed to the S-300, S-400 and generally any modern SAM. This is not a reason to purchase and reanimate the heroic S-75 - which crammed more aircraft than all other air defense systems combined worldwide wassat .
                  1. loki565
                    loki565 6 June 2020 09: 48 New
                    19
                    So - it’s generally written in negative. Thor's rocket stands like an entire attacking swarm of drones
                    Well, the iron dome resists missiles made from gas cylinders and sometimes misses them, although the system is not cheap
                  2. Tusv
                    Tusv 6 June 2020 10: 52 New
                    12
                    Quote: donavi49
                    Assuming that standing in the multi-layered air defense of Khmeimim as a whole is not much different from standing in Rostov

                    Even as they differ. Work with Our control goals. Jam sophisticated. So it is not known to whom it is now easier. In Khmeinim or in Rostov. With a reservation. In Rostov, half a year, and in Khmeinim every day.
                    This is not a reason to purchase and reanimate the heroic S-75 - which crammed more aircraft than all other air defense systems combined worldwide

                    Of course. They will bomb the S-75s. And with the S-400s they will say that of course we will kill, but we will not risk it. And by the way, the Israeli comrades tearfully ask not to use the S-300 donated to the Syrians. And yes. We are not at war with Israel
                    1. Vitaly gusin
                      Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 11: 44 New
                      -10
                      Quote: Tusv
                      And by the way, the Israeli comrades tearfully ask not to use the S-300 donated to the Syrians.

                      And where can I read about tearful requests?
                      1. Tusv
                        Tusv 6 June 2020 12: 22 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        And where can I read about tearful requests?

                        Sometimes the lack of news speaks truer than the news itself.
                        Judge for yourself. There is news about the supply of the S-300, we won’t give the news about until we teach Syrian calculations - there is, the Bi-bi "registered" in Moscow - there is. But the fact that they transferred the Syrian calculations no. And be sure. This news would be trumpeted by everyone
                      2. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 12: 50 New
                        -7
                        Quote: Tusv
                        Judge for yourself. There is news about the supply of S-300, news about it until we teach Syrian calculations we will not transmit - there is

                        And there is the same
                        Sergei Shoigu said in a special appeal, broadcast on air He said that the S-300 air defense system, capable of intercepting air attack weapons at a distance of over 250 km and hitting several targets at the same time, would be delivered to the Syrian armed forces within two weeks. To ensure centralized control of all Syrian air defense forces and means, monitoring of the air situation and operational target designation, command posts of the Syrian air defense units and military units will be equipped with automated control systems. In addition, in the areas adjacent to Syria over the Mediterranean Sea, radio-electronic suppression of satellite navigation, airborne radars and communication systems of foreign military aircraft attacking objects in Syrian territory will be applied. “We are convinced that the implementation of these measures will cool the“ hotheads ”
                        Quote: Tusv
                        BB Bi "registered" in Moscow - is.

                        But what they are talking about we don’t know, not me and not you.
                        Maybe he explained that after the first shot of the S-300, the same fate awaits as other air defense systems.
                        And this is MINUS marketing (more serious than me)
                        [
                        Quote: Tusv
                        But the fact that they transferred the Syrian calculations no. And be sure. This news would be trumpeted by everyone

                        But who asked whom and what they trumpeted.
                        The head of the Russian NSS, Nikolai Patrushev, who visited Jerusalem, said Israeli strikes (or ascribed to Israel attacks) in Syria are "undesirable." In other words, he did not say that Israel must completely abandon such actions, but made it clear that such should be infrequent and directed, so that Russian servicemen are not under attack. Including those engaged in providing air defense in Syria.
                        It was in June-July, 2019, as stated, that Russian military advisers were supposed to complete the training of Syrians in the management of S-300 complexes and give them control over them. That is, to remove their specialists from combat duty and withdraw them from the zone of a possible strike by the Israeli Air Force.
                      3. Tusv
                        Tusv 6 June 2020 13: 03 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        It was in June-July, 2019, as stated, that Russian military advisers were supposed to complete the training of Syrians in managing S-300 complexes and transfer control over them to them.

                        What am I talking about? They should have, but did not pass. Well, try to dunk the S-300 when the Air Defense Major of the Russian Federation sits on the DKP Guard. War
                      4. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 13: 45 New
                        -6
                        Quote: Tusv
                        They should have, but did not pass.

                        Can I read?
                        Quote: Tusv
                        Well, try to dunk the S-300 when the Air Defense Major of the Russian Federation sits on the DKP Guard.

                        If he shoots he will get back. And they sat, and shot, and perished, but no one started the war, and it was the USSR, they understood that any war could quickly grow into the World War and God forbid the latter.
                      5. Tusv
                        Tusv 6 June 2020 13: 50 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                        If he shoots he will get back. And they sat, and shot, and died, but no one started the war, and it was the USSR

                        Wow, how many 125 native shot Israeli mirages. Israel fought with Syria and Egypt. They have reconciled with Egypt, but they still will not see Syria fiercely
                      6. Vitaly gusin
                        Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 14: 11 New
                        -6
                        Quote: Tusv
                        Wow, how many 125 native shot Israeli mirages.

                        No problem, write how many and I will write how many instants per one mirage.
                        Quote: Tusv
                        and Syria fiercely will not see until now

                        Maybe something like a turn, they wanted to make peace and give the Golan, so they wanted, and part of Keneret. And what is Syria today? And who to hate?
              2. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 13: 50 New
                -8
                Quote: Tusv
                Sometimes the lack of news speaks truer than the news itself.

                I regret it, but I'm not Wanda and not Messing. You're lucky.
              3. Tusv
                Tusv 6 June 2020 13: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                I regret it, but I'm not Wanda and not Messing. You're lucky.

                Remember the movie “Battle for Moscow” and the dialogue between Zhukov and Stalin?
                Do you know von Bock's plans? I don’t know von Bock’s plans, but in this situation he will do so, and not otherwise
                Everything is very simple
              4. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 14: 15 New
                -6
                Quote: Tusv
                Everything is very simple

                I don’t know about you, but I’m neither the first nor the second. But in any case THEY used the same INFORMATION.
            2. Dikson
              Dikson 6 June 2020 14: 39 New
              +1
              Wang was called this blind grandmother .. And WANDA is a fish from the movie of the same name :)
            3. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 14: 52 New
              -3
              Quote: Dikson
              Wang was called this blind grandmother .. And WANDA is a fish from the movie of the same name :)

              Thank. Eyed good
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 6 June 2020 13: 03 New
    +4
    Quote: donavi49
    Well, what about the F-16 or strike ammunition? You yourself know who - strike wherever they want, including attacks on the neighboring base, where the S-300 stood. And zero activity

    Did the F-16 strike from Syrian airspace?
  • Sergey10789
    Sergey10789 6 June 2020 16: 09 New
    -2
    Well, here you are wrong. F-16 is not a c-300 level. S-300 and the like, it is still breaking through the first five lines of defense enemy bombers .... Well, or ballistic missiles .... Well, not at all any mosquitoes like f-16 ...
  • zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 6 June 2020 10: 05 New
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    Kind Maxim. And Donavi is in many ways right and doesn’t negotiate much. Thanks to not courage (sometimes I would call cowardice) we drive ourselves under the baseboard. In Syria there are C 300 and 400. But only radars are used. Donavi fellow citizens do not leave their they do what they want and how they want (it’s a fact) and they smear us with shit. Ours themselves don’t want to give the Syrians any. What conclusions can be drawn from this? Our complexes sucks, since the Russians can’t bring down insolent gears ( potential customers can think about this?) Well, on the account of Haftar Donavi, too, is right (also mean-spirited), we no longer need to sell equipment to anyone from greed, but selectively and with severe restrictions. Haftarovtsy and our shells did not just cheat us, substituting destruction, they will probably throw them soon when the ashtray is full (these assholes will even break the glass device and cut themselves). We already with our air defense systems sold to anyone hit the same level as the mattresses in Saudi Arabia when Pe triots cool crap on Titomir))))
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 6 June 2020 10: 13 New
      -10
      it’s no longer necessary to sell equipment to anyone from greed, but selectively and with severe restrictions


      Well, that would not work here.
      In the early 00s, the developer of the complex did not have the means to fine-tune. Only a purchase guarantee from the UAE, as well as financing in the amount of $ 120 million of development by the UAE, saved the Shell from eternal parking in the backyard in the form of prototype demonstrators.



      The same thing happened with the Tiger. If the UAE had not entered the project, then there would have been no Tiger, and the army would have traveled everywhere in UAZ even today.
      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 6 June 2020 11: 23 New
        -4
        Good Donavi, when you are not politicized, it’s nice to talk with you, otherwise it’s just emotions. You’re trying to pull the globe onto the Tiger account. Jordanians to the Emirates, Emirates to Gaziks with 60 Lyamas for development. And then no one needed the Tiger (Arabs started to cut their own) Gaziki were able to shove this junk of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Well, instead of “Bear” and “Wolf” we got this squalor. By “Shell” I can object to you at the level “And Red Square is visible from our window”))))))) I was not interested, to be honest, I’ll search laughing an incentive has appeared.
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          6 June 2020 15: 46 New
          +1
          What? The tiger is a Humvee, which we did not have offspring. And he is in any way better than the UAZ-469.
          1. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 16 June 2020 17: 20 New
            0
            For your information, there were several prototypes - Bear, Wolf, Scorpio. At least the latter with the possibility of modular protection. Kamaz sold his Tiger. I, at least at least at the first SPM with kamens, rolled, so I have an idea. And the first ham (also not happy) drove through the country.
      2. V.I.P.
        V.I.P. 6 June 2020 11: 39 New
        -4
        KM-SAM forgot the Korean counterpart of the Vityaz air defense system. Jointly developed, only they had it in the army since 2017 .... BMP-3 was purchased by the UAE, if it hadn’t been for them, the plant would have been closed a long time ago due to the lack of orders.
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 12: 00 New
      -6
      Quote: zadorin1974
      .In Syria, there are C 300 and 400. But only radars are used. Donavi fellow citizens do what they want and how they want (without leaving their Lebanese and airspace) (this is a fact)

      This is a convenient excuse for those who do not know the map. Strikes are carried out throughout the territory where the need arises.
      If you had to read that on 4.06.20 unidentified aircraft struck the enterprise with Iranian-made missiles and, as always, it says that it was from Lebanese territory. Do not think that in Israel they work according to the pattern that you write about all the time.
      All eggs are not put in one basket.
      1. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 6 June 2020 12: 13 New
        +4
        Vitaly, what kind of nation are you like? You are talking about one thing, you are talking about something else. I’m not talking about the actions of the aviation of your country (and don’t need to la that you fly into Syria), I mean that our VESS !!! !! shoot down your planes and do not give the Syrians. By this they question the capabilities of the C 300-400. All the same, it’s hard when there are fifteen boloboles on one adequate.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 12: 22 New
          -4
          Quote: zadorin1974
          Vitaly, what kind of nation are you like?

          Wow! I am alone, this is a whole nation. Thank. But about you, I can’t write such a thing.
          Donavi fellow citizens do not leave their Lebanese and airspace what they want and how they want (this is a fact) while we are also smeared with shit
          You wrote it.
          1. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 6 June 2020 13: 41 New
            0
            And what did Vitaly want to say about? Of course I wrote, and?
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 6 June 2020 12: 32 New
        +1
        You again decided to forget that the Syrian air defense system was destroyed by the word in general. And it’s good if the detection tools control about 30 percent of the territory and then at high altitudes. And as for your missile defense systems, I’ll immediately say the LCD is not designed even for a single volley of Grad.
    3. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 6 June 2020 12: 29 New
      +3
      We didn’t sell Haftar Pantsiri, by the way.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 6 June 2020 09: 29 New
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    Quote: donavi49
    Israel is bombing wherever it wants - the S-300, Buki and others are not a hindrance to it.

    I am wildly sorry, but the Russian Federation is at war with Israel in order to land their fighters? As for the Syrians, the question is very acute qualifications of these grief air defense.
    Quote: donavi49
    And the UAV began to fall only when the Bukee drove up. Even the Syrians claimed 20 shot down by beeches.

    And on the new modification of BEECH, which brought in, what calculations were there?
    Quote: donavi49
    In Libya, everything is bad. Another shell in the hangar banged.

    This you also attribute to the lack of the Shell, as I understand it ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 6 June 2020 09: 42 New
      -11
      1) So what is the difference from the question I answered?
      And where did the Chinese air defense systems confirm their competence?


      Ok, I’ll transfer the question to another plane:
      And where did the Russian air defense systems confirm their competence?

      2) Well, this is a great mystery. Probably experienced guys were removed from Damascus. There are good Syrians on Buk-M1.

      3) Well, this is the public relations of the complex for export. Now it will be very difficult to sell. For the entire Internet is littered with burnt Carapace and their shooting from drones. Plus sanctions. That is, it will be very difficult for the government / president to push through the contract decision.
      1. yfast
        yfast 6 June 2020 10: 55 New
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        To fill up the Internet with burned and broken Bayraktars, it is advisable to lay out the remains in one place, put a couple of Shells nearby, and make a bunch of pictures. And there will be advertising for Bayraktaram and Shells. If Haftar has such a rabble that loses air defense in storage, then this is an advertisement for Havtar and his rabble, but not the Shell.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 6 June 2020 19: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: yfast
          If Haftar has such a rabble

          Arabs they are such arabs.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 6 June 2020 11: 06 New
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        donavi49 Do not get into the bottle, there is no bottom. wink
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 6 June 2020 11: 51 New
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          laughing It’s unfortunate that this comment can only be checked out once.
      3. Tusv
        Tusv 6 June 2020 11: 20 New
        0
        Quote: = donavi49
        And where did the Russian air defense systems confirm their competence?

        And what is the name of the native Paramilitary in NATO? Inaccessibility Zone. A2 / AD - There are two to hell. A trifle, but nice
      4. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 6 June 2020 12: 39 New
        +5
        The debris of the Bayraktarov, by the way, is more than the Armor, but it costs not much less. Ukrainians bought from the Turks a set of control stations, 6 Bayraktarov, 200 TSA for 69 million bucks.
      5. vicvladol
        vicvladol 6 June 2020 13: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        And where did the Russian air defense systems confirm their competence?


        Of course, they don’t tell us everything, and this is absolutely correct. But (including here) the following information passed:
        https://riafan.ru/834662-tartus-rossiiskie-sily-pvo-vypolnili-zapusk-rakety-s-300-v-napravlenii-sredizemnomorya
        Start С300 "in the direction of the Mediterranean Sea." There were no official confirmations. But "An unverified commentator said that an S-300 missile allegedly shot down an unmanned aerial vehicle over the Mediterranean."
        Immediately after that, there was a message from the Americans about the loss of a drone. Naturally, somewhere in the States. There were no photos / videos from the crash site. I will not search for a link, sorry.
        Maybe these 2 events are not connected in any way, but many then agreed that there is a chance of a connection.
        Officially recognize that "We shot down" and "We were shot down" neither to us nor was it reason.
      6. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 6 June 2020 13: 28 New
        +3
        Ok, I’ll transfer the question to another plane:
        And where did the Russian air defense systems confirm their competence?


        The answer is also in a different plane.
        The competence of the Russian air defense system, including the fact that your side works very very very very carefully in places where our people in crews could potentially be.

        Well, this is the public relations of the complex for export. Now it will be very difficult to sell.


        Faster than none. This is almost a workhorse of war. A little more time will pass and it will become like "Shilka". How many shilka do not destroy, they still take. So it is here. Bad radar - put it better, again bad radar - another upgrade. Nobody can offer anything yet. Well, there are no burned other weapons of this class from the battlefields on the Internet. But there are no downed planes or intercepted missiles by other means. Conclusion: there are "bad" Shells and nothing more.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 6 June 2020 15: 17 New
          +1
          Offhand from the Turks 5 Bayraktar in Idlib and 17 Bayraktar and 2 Anki in Lebanon were shot down. Photos of debris take place at Aviation Security Network
    2. major147
      major147 6 June 2020 10: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: NEXUS
      Quote: donavi49
      Israel is bombing wherever it wants - the S-300, Buki and others are not a hindrance to it.

      So they also "naughty" from the territory of other states. They will bring them down over Lebanon - the stink will be !!!
    3. Torak
      Torak 6 June 2020 11: 51 New
      +5
      How many characters are brainwashed with the most primitive propaganda. Where did you see the Shell in the hangar? Where did you see the destroyed s-300? The photo showed the wreckage of just the S-200 destroyed; it drafts when, where and by whom!
    4. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 6 June 2020 12: 37 New
      0
      Russia is at war with Israel to land their fighters?


      I’ve been trying many times to get an answer from this Israeli eee colleague. SILENT. YOU UNDERSTAND. And given that no one remembers how the supply of Syria is organized, this is all the more surprising.

      to the Syrians, so here the question is very acute qualifications of these grief air defense officers.

      I believe Assad and K. Hel Khavir does not take bites seriously, given that they have problems and are more serious ....
      This you also attribute to the lack of the Shell, as I understand it ...

      Who would doubt bgggg ...
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 14: 03 New
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        Quote: Cyril G ...
        I believe Assad and K. Hel Khavir does not take bites seriously, given that they have problems and are more serious ....

        Already perceives, before yes thought that with the help of the ksir he will correct the situation, but he has lost part of his air defense. You know that there is a warning system between Hel Khavir and the videoconferencing system and each time a request is sent to convey to Syria that each launch in the direction of the aircraft, the installation that fired, will be destroyed. At first they did not believe, but now they believed.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 6 June 2020 15: 11 New
          +2
          I know in the course - exactly one ancient S-200 radar and one S-200 launcher were destroyed, exchanged for Sufa. A good exchange in general ....

          Already perceives


          And by the way, I don’t think so, because he has much more serious problems.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 15: 26 New
            -2
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            I know in the course - exactly one ancient S-200 radar and one S-200 launcher were destroyed, exchanged for Sufa. A good exchange in general ....

            And you decided that this will pass?
            In response, on the same day, Jewish state aircraft attacked Iranian targets in Syria and destroyed Iranian unmanned aerial vehicle control point.
            Israeli planes then hit on 12 positions in Syria, including eight Syrian, among which - three air defense batteries, and also hit four Iranian military targets
            Saturday strike on targets in Syria became Israeli Air Force's largest operation against Syrian air defense systems since the First Lebanon War 1982 (also known as the military operation "Peace of Galilee" - approx. TASS).
            20 November 2019, 02: 51
            The report said that among the targets were air-to-ground missiles, headquarters, weapons depots and military bases. The attack was carried out in response to the launch of missiles by Iranian forces from Syria on November 19. During the attack, the Syrian air defense tried to shell Israeli aircraft. Several Syrian air defense batteries were destroyed.
            I can continue.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 6 June 2020 15: 32 New
              +2
              on 12 positions in Syria, including eight Syrian, among which - three air defense batteries, and also hit four Iranian military targets

              ***
              During the attack, the Syrian air defense tried to shell Israeli aircraft. Several Syrian air defense batteries were destroyed.


              "Pescho ischo, there is nothing to spare their basurmans !!"
              I can continue.

              Of course. This is so interesting to me! A photo confirmation will be ??? And then, paradoxically, you always accuse Arabs of lies, but are you invited to take a word about your successes? Do not make me laugh like that.
              Several Syrian air defense batteries were destroyed.

              Yes, by the way, do you know what an air defense missile battery is, the destruction of which you boasted of?
              As a minimum, if we are talking about Buka - 6 combat vehicles, and another dozen and a half offhand support vehicles?
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 18: 38 New
                -1
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                Of course. This is so interesting to me! A photo confirmation will be ???

                IDF, strikes in Syria were the answer to the last missile attack on the Golan Heights. The Iron Dome air defense system shot down 4 missiles flying in the direction of Israeli settlements.
                As a result of the launch of 40 Delilah cruise missiles, they were destroyed six Syrian air defense systems, and, as the sources indicate, one of them was set Russia ZRPK "Shell-S".
                It is known that one of the cruise missiles destroyed anti-aircraft self-propelled installation "Shilka".
                Israeli rockets destroyed at least two radars, the S-75 air defense system and several more air defense systems in one of the areas near Damascus.

                And if you want photos, you can contact the Israeli Defense Ministry or attaché in Moscow
                Mr. Herman Giltman - Military Attache
                Tel: (495) 660 27 16
                Tel: (495) 660 27 00 (797)
                Fax: (495) 660 27 86
                [email protected]
                [email protected]
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 6 June 2020 20: 13 New
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                  And if you want photos, you can contact the Israeli Defense Ministry or attaché in Moscow
                  Mr. Herman Giltman - Military Attache


                  You are already repeating, for the umpteenth time. So to answer specific questions, the indicator is near the baseboard level. You can’t do it like that! Blatantly brash!
                  So. That is, you have no evidence. Solid boltology. Yes Hel Khavir is no longer a cake. I got you damned political correctness .... laughing
                  In total, with a certain probability, I’m already playing for you. We can talk about the inconvenience of the S-200 launcher, the U-S-200 radar, and the possible damage of 2 Armor for the last couple of years .... I cancel your request for five as unconfirmed.
                  1. Vitaly gusin
                    Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 21: 01 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    Yes Hel Khavir is no longer a cake.

                    And not even cookies.
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    You are already repeating, for the umpteenth time. So to answer specific questions, the indicator is near the baseboard level.

                    I hung the address where you can address with your questions, but the answer will be approximately the same.
                    Here is an excerpt from the interview.
                    Dmitry Dubov: Is there any connection between this statement and the fact that air strikes were fired in the sky over Damascus and on the Syrian-Lebanese border, for which Israel never claimed responsibility?

                    Avigdor Lieberman: According to my guesses, all these air strikes were carried out by the Air Force of Liechtenstein and Monaco.
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    You can’t do it like that! Blatantly brash!

                    And in that tone, you can have a conversation with your chairman of the collective farm.
                  2. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 7 June 2020 11: 28 New
                    -1
                    And in that tone, you can have a conversation with your chairman of the collective farm.


                    So do not lie. Do propaganda too ...
                    I hung the address where you can address with your questions, but the answer will be approximately the same.

                    This is equal, on the one hand, to a polite message in three letters, which in general is not surprising, on the other hand, to your complete discharge, because you are broadcasting "successes" that have not been confirmed eeeee ..
  • Torak
    Torak 6 June 2020 11: 46 New
    +5
    Enchanting freak! And where did you see the Pantsyr?
  • Sergey10789
    Sergey10789 6 June 2020 16: 06 New
    0
    Bro !!!! 5 points and shake my hand!)))))
  • Grits
    Grits 6 June 2020 13: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
    And where did the Chinese air defense systems confirm their competence?

    However, the S-300 and S-400 are also not confirmed anywhere.
    After all, they said that the silence of our systems in Syria will lead to the fact that the sunset of their vaunted glory and PR will begin. This time has come.
    1. Sergey10789
      Sergey10789 6 June 2020 18: 44 New
      -1
      And for what purposes in Syria should they "Talk" ?!
      1. Grits
        Grits 7 June 2020 01: 30 New
        -1
        Quote: Sergey10789
        And for what purposes in Syria should they "Talk"?

        For those that threaten the Syrian Arab Republic and facilities located on its sovereign territory
        1. Sergey10789
          Sergey10789 7 June 2020 14: 12 New
          -1
          Everything that flies there and carries a threat to the ATS are goals for the means of the regimental, well, at best divisional air defense. How can you not understand this?))) The S-300/400 will never shoot at sparrows like a fighter or attack aircraft. In such complexes, the tactical role of a different plan. Nobody “Hyacinth” or “Peony” or even “Msta-S” rolls to the front edge to destroy enemy tanks in a direct fire. Why??? Because they have a different tactical role. So why do you demand from a complex that has a completely different role to perform tasks that arrows, needles, tungusks, armor, tori and beeches should perform?
          1. Grits
            Grits 7 June 2020 14: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Sergey10789
            S-300/400 will never shoot at sparrows like a fighter or attack aircraft.

            You want to say that the S-300 is there in order not to launch a strategic bomber like B-52 or B-1 in Syria? And not going to exchange for less. Well, maybe even on an intercontinental ballistic missile come down ... Yes, you're a joker.
            1. Sergey10789
              Sergey10789 8 June 2020 12: 32 New
              0
              I can be a joker either. Yes, only you are probably familiar with the specifics of the use of forces and weapons in general and with air defense only from comments on a similar resource.
              Well, okay, I’ll tell you why the S-300 is there. She stands there for a show. Well, a little bit for observation. And she will remain silent there until she is taken away from there!)))) Because no one will exchange such a complex for 6 aircraft of the fighter type ... Well, ideally, for 12 aircraft, according to the number of ready-to-launch rockets. But in reality, after the first launch, the same fighters will take it apart by screws without even entering Syrian airspace, because the S-300 is worthless without a full-fledged lower-level division, regiment and battalion air defense units. But these links are not in Syria!)))
  • APASUS
    APASUS 6 June 2020 09: 01 New
    +6
    China is copying the manner in which its weapons are advertised in the United States. And in full this image is all around manure, and the Chinese is the best! However, China was also invited to Syria with super-air defense weapons and the Chinese have something to do there, but something did not grow together ......... or may be afraid of another Peruvian incident
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 6 June 2020 09: 18 New
      -8
      So why should they climb into Syria? On their agenda, in addition to returning the Chinese island to the arms of the central government, there is still a tough cut with the Indians. Where at the altitudes of 4000m + - the Chinese are trying to overcome the land, in small steps. If it grows from sticks to something more, then air defense will work there. He also has a strategic friend and ally, Pakistan, where he has already sold his HQ-16 air defense (Buk with vertical launch from Calm and on a wheelbase). Well, Africa, where arms sales are growing. Also, Central Asia - where sales are also rapidly growing:
      Turkmens have already bought HQ-9 and a bunch of different things.

      Uzbeks bought HQ-9 and a bunch of different things.

      Kazakhstan bought Y-8F - 4 units and possibly 2-4 more (and they are also staring at the new Y-20 for airborne and transportation).

      1. APASUS
        APASUS 6 June 2020 10: 45 New
        +7
        Quote: donavi49
        So why should they climb into Syria? On their agenda, in addition to returning the Chinese island to the arms of the central government, there is still a tough cut with the Indians.

        On their agenda, first of all, the emergence of China not as a factory producing cheap consumer goods, but as a world power. And in Syria there was an opportunity to prove that you can really confront in a fighting clash, test equipment and utilize the Uyghurs fighting on the motley side for one groupings.
      2. businessv
        businessv 6 June 2020 13: 18 New
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        as well as they stare at the new Y-20 for airborne and transportation
        It's so funny to see a bunch of first-aid kits on the plane instead of parachutes! Flyers, this is not in your address! drinks
    2. Torak
      Torak 6 June 2020 11: 56 New
      +2
      Exactly! And how much I'm interested in military developments: the United States has traditionally inflated its performance characteristics by at least 30%, while the USSR has underestimated them by the same amount. And traditionally during the presentation, explosives are laid in the target. In short, a deception in everything! And I remember how about 8 years ago the United States and China officially announced the creation of a traction-free engine!)))))
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 6 June 2020 09: 06 New
    +9
    The Chinese are using not only our mistakes, but also obsessive-aggressive pseudo-marketing, and they are passing off their massive copy-paste as a military panacea! There is only its own paint and name, the filling is the same illegally illegal, or licensed from all over the world, but it’s an ambition, as if they really created something outstanding!
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 6 June 2020 09: 15 New
      +3
      Unfortunately, the buyer has its own interests. And first of all, buy cheaper.
    2. V.I.P.
      V.I.P. 6 June 2020 09: 29 New
      -13
      Well, they and their development in the military-industrial complex is full. The destroyers analogue of Aegis rivet like pies. But in the Russian Federation this is not and never will be. MLRS with a range of 120 to 450 km. Is there such a thing in the Russian Federation? Attack drones and their ammunition. Does the Russian Federation have this? ATGM with a shot-forgot system and a blow to the roof, is there in the Russian Federation? Tanks protect against ATGMs or from an enemy tank using a laser mounted on the tank (burns out the sights and retina of the gunner’s eyes) is there in the Russian Federation ?? laughing
      Well, a bunch of components of radio electronics from China and Asian countries to "our not having analogues" laughing . Only they comply with sanctions and do not sell military elements, but only cheap civilian electronics ....
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 6 June 2020 09: 35 New
        10
        VIP, and where are the Chinese tanks fighting? Our won around the world, and copy-paste from your beloved China, it seems like he was not in any military operations and was closely noticed!
        1. V.I.P.
          V.I.P. 6 June 2020 09: 51 New
          -8
          Well, if something fights where, then about the "having no analogy" let's remember. A bunch of our weapons have never fought. Or see how it burns .....
          .Chinese MANPADS and ATGMs in Syria hit targets. Percussion drones in Libya use ..
          Tanks to whom they pass? Pakistan, Bangladesh. Who are they fighting with?
          And they sell their various systems to Algeria, the UAE, Saudi Arabia and South America .. These countries pay money and can choose what they consider to be of high quality.
          The former republics of the USSR buy a lot of things from them, and not in the Russian Federation. And for the money, and not on credit, which you do not need to give, because they will write off, like the Russian Federation.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 6 June 2020 11: 16 New
            -1
            Quote: V.I.P.
            Well, if something fights where, then about the "not having analogous world" let's remember. A bunch of our weapons never fought. Or see how it burns ......
            Excuse me, are you talking about Zircon, Vanguard, Relight and engineer hyperboloid Garin verb? wink
            1. V.I.P.
              V.I.P. 6 June 2020 11: 28 New
              -6
              Varshavyanka drowned at least one goal? S-300/400 shot down a plane? Su-30/34/35 airplanes and Mi-28, Ka-52 helicopters attacked targets with a normal air defense system, or maybe they shot down planes in air battles?)
              Maybe there were such counter-fights of T-90 with Merkava 4, Leclerc, Leopard 2A6 / 7, Abrams 3 versions, (with uranium armor and BOPS from uranium), the Korean Panther.
              All countries manufacturers praise their own, that would sell. And what in reality will show only the battle. But better not. Well nafik world wars) ....
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 6 June 2020 11: 32 New
                -3
                Do you want to unleash the Third World? She is the last ..
              2. Tusv
                Tusv 6 June 2020 12: 40 New
                +3
                Quote: V.I.P.
                Su-30/34/35 aircraft and Mi-28, Ka-52 helicopters attacked targets with a normal air defense system

                Georgia was normal. Families of the dead pilots will not be allowed to lie. And we demonstrated there how Soviet air defense, but with NATO standards, is being destroyed. brand new EW, long-range HARMs on brand new Duckling
              3. Interlocutor
                Interlocutor 6 June 2020 13: 34 New
                +2
                Varshavyanka drowned at least one goal?


                And what, at least one submarine, of some country, drowned some purpose?
                Tell us?
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 6 June 2020 15: 19 New
                  +1
                  After 1945, the Pakistani "Frenchwoman" was an Indian frigate. The British submarine drowned the Argentine cruiser. And someone drowned the South Korean corvette with a torpedo.
                2. PPD
                  PPD 6 June 2020 16: 57 New
                  +1
                  Kostroma nuclear submarine dumped the American submarine Button Rouge. wink
                  A tsyfir flaunts quite legitimately on the wheelhouse
                  1. Revolver
                    Revolver 6 June 2020 20: 09 New
                    0
                    Quote: PPD
                    Kostroma nuclear submarine dumped the American submarine Button Rouge. wink
                    A tsyfir flaunts quite legitimately on the wheelhouse

                    When the Kursk died, someone somewhere claimed that on the sonars there, the American nuclear submarine was lit up, well, essno a little like the machinations of American imperialism.
                    And in order to send the American nuclear submarine to the landfill, it’s enough a painter without brains. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Miami_(SSN-755)
                    Or say that he is supposedly a valiant undercover Russian intelligence agent?
          2. Charik
            Charik 6 June 2020 11: 45 New
            -1
            choose-what is cheaper-quality here is zero
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 6 June 2020 11: 47 New
        -1
        Quote: V.I.P.
        in the Russian Federation this is not and will not be. MLRS with a range of 120 to 450 km. Is there such a thing in the Russian Federation?

        Dude, washing his pants, he said: "You can’t trust anyone, not even yourself. I just wanted to fart," but you believe in Wikipedia. For that wiki. The Chinese exceeded the range of work on a ballistic target 2 times not on their HQ-9B, but on Our S-400
        1. V.I.P.
          V.I.P. 6 June 2020 12: 41 New
          -4
          They tested the polonaise for 200 km, now the Chinese give them a rocket for 350 km ..
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 6 June 2020 12: 49 New
            -1
            Quote: V.I.P.
            They tested the polonaise for 200 km, now the Chinese give them a rocket for 350 km ..

            And cheat, do we still have to queue up for a Chinese miracle weapon? No. Iskander will somehow be more reliable when it comes to operational tactical
            1. V.I.P.
              V.I.P. 6 June 2020 13: 18 New
              -1
              We stand in line, we buy microelectronics from them, the engines for the ships were bought from the Chinese (it seems now from the Koreans). Glass for optics from China, filler for filter boxes of gas mask from China. But the Chinese only sell civilian electronics to us and the engines were civilian. They comply with the embargo on the supply of military products to us)))
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 6 June 2020 13: 37 New
                -1
                Quote: V.I.P.
                We stand in line, we buy microelectronics from them, the engines for the ships were bought from the Chinese (it seems now from the Koreans).

                It was like at an interview .. People advertised that they produce computers. I ask. Is everyone all? No, Chinese memory for cheaper at times.
                And in civilian ship engines, as it is, Finns still prefer it, and the steering columns of a Swede. When will the White Stone be completed. Maybe then the Koreans will buy
                1. V.I.P.
                  V.I.P. 6 June 2020 14: 19 New
                  -4
                  DOOSAN engines for RTOs are being purchased. Chinese do not go
              2. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 7 June 2020 22: 11 New
                0
                MTU-type diesel engines purchased for Buyans are quite put on the ships of the Navy of China, and at the same time on the first Buyan with Ketai diesels they still had to bring to mind 3 three years ...
      3. businessv
        businessv 6 June 2020 13: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: V.I.P.
        The destroyers analogue of Aegis rivet like pies.

        You yourself are not funny? They are analogues of iPhones and iPads, like rivets and pies, so what ?! Their analogue of appearance is not at all analogous to functionality! This requires brains and development experience, not stupid copying. 450 MLRS range where used?
      4. businessv
        businessv 6 June 2020 13: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: V.I.P.
        The destroyers analogue of Aegis rivet like pies.

        You yourself are not funny? They are analogues of iPhones and iPads, like rivets and pies, so what ?! Their analogue of appearance is not at all analogous to functionality! This requires brains and development experience, not stupid copying. 450 MLRS range what is called where it was used? WS-3 - 200 km maximum. Do not throw fakes like pies, it will be right!
        1. V.I.P.
          V.I.P. 6 June 2020 14: 31 New
          -3
          MLRS WS-2D 400 km ..... You are not funny, civilian electronic components are bought for Russian military products, they are shoved everywhere and written "has no analogues" ......... Where was it used ???? And where was the S-400 used, the Mace. Terminator, etc.?))))
          1. businessv
            businessv 6 June 2020 16: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: V.I.P.
            where the S-400 was used, the Mace. Terminator etc

            S-400 are used even in Turkey. The terminator is running in Syria, and it is better not to see the use of the Mace to anyone! Write nonsense again
            civilian electronic components are bought for Russian military products, they are shoved everywhere and written "has no analogues"
            In your opinion, it turns out that crystals for military equipment should be different from crystals for civilian ?! Think what you write, please! Ordering electronics with the specified TX is not a problem, and no one asks where it will be used!hi
            1. V.I.P.
              V.I.P. 6 June 2020 16: 24 New
              -2
              Disassemble Soviet army equipment, look. Then look at civilian products. Reliability and durability are different.
              1. businessv
                businessv 10 June 2020 16: 18 New
                0
                Quote: V.I.P.
                Reliability and durability are different.

                These parameters were different in the Union because the military industry was a separate industry, where all the best went! Now there is no such difference as, indeed, the Union itself, to my great regret.
          2. Interlocutor
            Interlocutor 6 June 2020 16: 57 New
            +1
            And where was the S-400 used, the Mace. Terminator etc?


            Are you sick? Mace to use? Use your head on a wooden mace.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 6 June 2020 20: 00 New
      0
      Here is the Chinese "ally" of Russia. And here, in VO, a lot of people are ready to fit in for the Chinese and throw minuses to all who are not fans of China.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 June 2020 09: 09 New
    +1
    laughing The Bialyar comrades are trying, supplying the uncle Xiao's skillful pens with the developments of the Russian military-industrial complex laughing
  • rocket757
    rocket757 6 June 2020 09: 13 New
    +4
    And duck quack, quack, quack .... tf-u, frogs qua, qua, qua!
    One thing is obvious, the Chinese are ready to get in everywhere and they have plenty of soap.
  • mark1
    mark1 6 June 2020 09: 24 New
    +5
    Well, what would you expect if they never fired from the S-300/400, it’s hard to come up with better discrediting measures. Soon the queue of the spitters will line up, and after that they will begin to show in comedies. We need an urgent demonstration flogging of the Israeli Air Force (of course, the Syrians should be "to blame" for everything)
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 June 2020 09: 47 New
    -3
    Quote: mark1
    Well, what would you expect if they never fired from the S-300/400, it’s hard to come up with better discrediting measures. Soon the queue of the spitters will line up, and after that they will begin to show in comedies. We need an urgent demonstration flogging of the Israeli Air Force (of course, the Syrians should be "to blame" for everything)

    Shot on Israeli Air Force aircraft? laughing Joker you are my friend, they are partners laughing
  • Fedorov
    Fedorov 6 June 2020 10: 05 New
    +2
    And why calluses to rub on Claudia from these fake stuffing. Business wabble - that's all. Specialists already understand that the S-400 is better off, "China simply doesn’t have a school for building air defense systems, at least for now. But this is not one decade, however.
  • lelik613
    lelik613 6 June 2020 10: 07 New
    -4
    The Chinese are ... the Chinese. But! Cyprus conducted intensive intercept exercises with Israel dear Russians S-300 Tsakhalov aircraft and avoiding interception. Draw your own conclusions. And don't talk about export cuts. Trained on dogs, practiced on rams ...
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 6 June 2020 12: 53 New
      0
      Export trimming fact. I can specifically say on Osa-M / ME. our Wasp had 1 everyday frequent, 8 letters, wartime, the export 1 daily and 2 letters, + a lot of simplifications.
      1. lelik613
        lelik613 7 June 2020 06: 29 New
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        Which does not refute the benefits of combat training and learning "partner" technology live.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 7 June 2020 11: 23 New
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          No, of course, but it probably doesn’t give a full deal ...
  • DVR
    DVR 6 June 2020 10: 08 New
    +2
    And a completely incomprehensible video at the end. ? Operational, training ground, district, army, convoy, march, platform, anti-aircraft missile, complex, ... Something like S-125 ... Then it looks like S-300 (400), the launch of a rocket, and this is clearly not complex FD-2000
    1. DVR
      DVR 6 June 2020 10: 30 New
      -1
      Soryan, after a stormy Friday I'm drowning)
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 6 June 2020 10: 25 New
    +7
    Russian air defense systems are incompetent ": Chinese media call for taking systems from China

    That is why the Chinese bought the C300 and C400 and put them in the Beijing Military District to protect their capital.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 June 2020 10: 48 New
    +3
    they should be replaced by a more "competent" FD-2000 system from China. "Competent", as stated, in terms of detection and characterization of the target.
    Replacing Russian systems with your own is, of course, the full right of the Chinese, but why so loudly and obsessively praise your swamp in which you yourself have not yet fully mastered it?
    1. Yezhov
      Yezhov 6 June 2020 10: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Replacing Russian systems with your own is, of course, the full right of the Chinese, but why it is so loud and intrusive to praise your swamp in which they themselves have not yet fully mastered

      Show off ! China hasn’t fought normally yet and they’re not listening to Russians in vain ..
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 6 June 2020 11: 00 New
    +3
    Purely Chinese chip, they could not tear, but they can criticize, so they will.
  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 6 June 2020 11: 16 New
    +2
    Since when did the Vietnamese become experts in armaments, what difference does it make
  • fn34440
    fn34440 6 June 2020 11: 19 New
    -1
    The scandal surrounding satellite imagery, on which, experts say, the detection and guidance of the S-300 air defense system at the US training ground, once again showed that the interest of Americans in Russian weapons has not gone away. The surge of interest in the S-300 complexes was first recorded in 2010. Then the Israeli Air Force first conducted exercises in conjunction with the Armed Forces of Greece. S-300PMU-1 missiles arrived in Greece in 1996, and at the time of delivery and military alert, their effectiveness was (and still remains) much higher than any foreign counterparts.
    And in China, our Ukrainian partners sold all the technical documentation of the production of these complexes. Even under Kuchma.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 6 June 2020 11: 35 New
      0
      And in China, our Ukrainian partners sold all the technical documentation of the production of these complexes. Even under Kuchma.


      Well, and also S-300PMU / 2 from Russia for reverse engineering + package (service and maintenance in China - all the equipment for this).

      However, we can go further Calm-1 - which is on Grigorovich and Co. The complex actually died, because the Indians said we won’t give money, and the beam of norms + was already negotiating for Barak at that time. The Navy said - we won’t give money, we have a Redoubt. As a result, the Chinese financed the development, acquired rights, launched the production of a large series for frigates 054A, as well as modernized old destroyers. And they crashed a marine complex like the HQ-16. Now it competes with Buk and S-350 in the market.



  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 June 2020 11: 26 New
    +2
    The Chinese are ... the Chinese. But! Cyprus conducted intensive intercept exercises with Israel dear Russians S-300 Tsakhalov aircraft and avoiding interception. Draw your own conclusions. And don't talk about export cuts. Trained on dogs, practiced on rams ... [/ quote]
    Rams? wassat In October, special forces of the National Guard of the Republic of Cyprus flew to a two-week training exercise in Israel. Their main topics were urban warfare and tactical planning. The exercises were held in the Negev desert at the largest training base in the entire Middle East “Tseelim”, which is known for creating a complete imitation of the Arab city: loudspeakers from time to time hear the calls of the muezzin to prayer, Arabic music, the sounds of gunfire and explosions. The purpose of all this is to create an atmosphere as close as possible to hostilities. Where is the air defense? wassat
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 June 2020 11: 32 New
    -1
    https://youtu.be/PmMpkS2VD-Y laughing
  • 501Legion
    501Legion 6 June 2020 11: 48 New
    +2
    hahaha they are inadequate, or just praise their little interesting copy. Israeli planes and allies did not shoot down the Sisrian s300 because they were not corny to allow uncles from Moscow to work on these goals. it is first necessary to free the territory, gain strength, and then arrange disassembly with the neighbors.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 15: 10 New
      -4
      Quote: 501Legion
      gain strength and then arrange disassembly with the neighbors.

      So they already tried FOUR SEVEN to arrange a showdown, how did it end?
  • regdan
    regdan 6 June 2020 11: 48 New
    -6
    I support the Chinese. For all the time, not a single Israeli aircraft was shot down in Syria. Although the illegally educated Israel has repeatedly framed Russia.
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 12: 07 New
    -4
    Quote: mark1
    Need an urgent demonstration flogging of the Israeli Air Force

    But it doesn’t work like Gogol’s "Non-commissioned widow carved herself”
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 6 June 2020 12: 55 New
    0
    “Russian SAMs are incompetent”: Chinese media urge to take systems from China
    Well, if the Chinese media said, then fool or we’ll turn on the head.
    Although the HQ-9 has not yet been tested in combat, the Chinese are still trying to promote that their system is superior to the S-300 and S-400 of Russia.
    Smart before deciding, he will propose: "Friends, sit in your super-duper and under the bombs, and then with balloons, or that under the remaining arm, maybe an interview will come across your unworthy Chinese media." repeat Success guaranteed. repeat
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  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 6 June 2020 13: 36 New
    -2
    Quote: Cyril G ...
    And as for your missile defense systems, I’ll immediately say the LCD is not designed even for a single volley of Grad.

    Everyone can be wrong.
    . Regarding the interception percentage, the last round was particularly successful - more than 90% of the success was launched against missiles launched in the direction of populated areas (the Iron Dome system can ignore missiles heading into uninhabited areas and does not try to intercept them).
    This high percentage was maintained even when the enemy fired a massive volley from less than 117 missiles in one hour (mainly in the direction of the city of Ashdod). The reason for the relatively large number of missiles that landed in populated areas was the huge number of missiles launched from the Gaza Strip - at least 690 launches in 36 hours (for comparison, on the day of the peak During the second Lebanon war in 2006, Hezbollah fired about 300 missiles )
    Index 10% failure rate was reflected in 35 missiles, which were supposed to be intercepted, but were not. By the way, when many years ago the Directorate of Defense Research and Development (DDR & D) IMOD sent a request for the development of a missile interception system, the requirements indicated success only 70%.
    You need to read ALL and not just what you like.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 6 June 2020 15: 22 New
      -2
      Have you written this to say anything?
      - I repeat, I said for the inability to stop the volley of one PU Grad. This is not true?
      1. Professor
        Professor 6 June 2020 20: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        Have you written this to say anything?
        - I repeat, I said for the inability to stop the volley of one PU Grad. This is not true?

        There was a volley of one PU Grad and the LCD missed that volley? It looks like I missed such an interesting event. Remind me when this happened?
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 7 June 2020 11: 30 New
          -1
          And you look at how many target channels come out, and estimate on your fingers the probability of a PC being hit by one missile defense. What is the problem?
          LCD is a purely anti-terrorist device ... It is specifically needed especially in Israel and nowhere else
          1. Professor
            Professor 11 June 2020 19: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: Cyril G ...
            And you look at how many target channels come out, and estimate on your fingers the probability of a PC being hit by one missile defense. What is the problem?

            There was a volley of one PU Grad and the LCD missed that volley?

            Quote: Cyril G ...
            LCD is a purely anti-terrorist device ... It is specifically needed especially in Israel and nowhere else

            And why did the foreign customer buy the LCD if it was "specifically purely in Israel and nowhere else"?
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 11 June 2020 20: 26 New
              -1
              There was a volley of one PU Grad and the LCD missed that volley?

              No, but the niche weapon is purely, and imprisoned for the war with the local savages who fill the water pipes with gunpowder that fly anywhere. LCD weapons are purely anti-terrorism. A volley of modern MLRS is 40 missiles that fly quite accurately. For its interception, even with a declared probability of 0.8, a minimum of 50 anti-ballistic missiles is needed. In reality, of course, everything will be much sadder ... For 20 bucks, the price of a shot of a missile with an ARGSN - do not make me laugh. American AiM-000 with ARGSN costs 120 million 1 thousand bucks.

              And why did the foreign customer buy the LCD if it was "specifically purely in Israel and nowhere else"?

              Azerbaijanis? So the question is, think for the same. And they have oil, they will find money for missiles.
              1. Professor
                Professor 11 June 2020 20: 35 New
                +3
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                No, but

                That is your statement "said for the inability to stop the volley of one PU Grad " nothing more than a figment of your imagination? A volley of how many missiles is capable of intercepting an LCD battery?
                How many intercepted in battle?

                Quote: Cyril G ...
                the niche weapon is purely, and imprisoned for war with the local savages, who fill the water pipes with gunpowder, which fly anywhere.

                "water pipes, that fly anywhere"intercepting is much more difficult than regular Grad shells whose trajectory is easier to calculate and predict. However, the LCD copes with both of them. Intercepted mortar shells ..

                Quote: Cyril G ...
                A volley of modern MLRS is 40 missiles that fly quite accurately. For its interception, even with a declared probability of 0.8, a minimum of 50 anti-ballistic missiles is needed. In reality, of course, everything will be much sadder ... For 20 bucks, the price of a shot of a SAM with an ARGS - don't make me laugh. American AiM-000 with ARGSN costs 120 million 1 thousand bucks.

                You do not count our money. It's not beautiful.

                And why did the foreign customer buy the LCD if it was "specifically purely in Israel and nowhere else"?
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 11 June 2020 20: 53 New
                  -1
                  And why did the foreign customer buy the LCD if it was "specifically purely in Israel and nowhere else"?


                  Means for similar conditions. Considering who the buyer is, I see a likely application scheme. We will see what comes of this.

                  "water pipes that fly anywhere" is much more difficult to intercept


                  It is much easier with them, because they can be selected and stupid not to shoot at them ...

                  nothing more than a figment of your imagination? A volley of how many missiles is capable of intercepting an LCD battery? How many intercepted in battle?


                  Should I take this as a collision? Or did you decide to portray an examiner? I expressed my opinion. Are you free to agree or not.
                  Initially, I did not ask my interlocutor for the first time on this topic. Therefore, I said that the effectiveness of the LCD question is dubious. All the same, you still don’t know the performance characteristics of the LCD, such as the number and type of simultaneously tracked and fired targets, the principles of guidance, but nothing in fact other than the number of missile defense on the launcher. Based on the stated successes, it is extremely difficult to draw any conclusions.
                  And I consider official statistics to be any lie. Yours including.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 11 June 2020 21: 02 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    Means for similar conditions. Considering who the buyer is, I see options for application.

                    Hence not "specifically purely in the conditions of Israel and nowhere else." So let's write it down. good

                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    It is much easier with them, because they can be selected and stupid not to shoot at them ...

                    Why not shoot? They are stuffed with explosives and they kill as much as regular ammunition. Unfortunately, real people died from Kasamov. Tracking water pipes is harder as you wrote "fly anywhere"And the PCO is yours"fly accurately enough"and accordingly track them harder. Do not find?

                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    Should I take this as a collision?

                    Not at all. This is a statement of fact.

                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    I expressed my opinion. Are you free to agree or not. You still do not know the performance characteristics of the LCD, such as the number and type of simultaneously tracked and fired targets, the principles of guidance, but nothing in fact other than the number of missile defense on the launcher. Based on the stated successes, it is extremely difficult to draw any conclusions.

                    Nevertheless, without any information, you draw these conclusions: "said for the inability to stop the volley of one PU Grad".

                    Quote: Cyril G ...
                    And I consider official statistics to be any lie. Yours including.

                    I absolutely agree with you on this and therefore ask the question: "A volley of how many missiles is capable of intercepting an LCD battery?
                    How many intercepted in battle?
                    "
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 11 June 2020 22: 01 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Professor
                      Not at all. This is a statement of fact.

                      Ok hit
                      Quote: Professor
                      doing: "said for the inability to stop the volley of one PU Grad."

                      Well, your individual fellow tribesmen, for some reason, allow themselves to scum everything, why can't I question your officialdom embroidered with white thread? You understand to do efficiently and cheaply, which one of the words is superfluous. For example, I brought you the price of RVV. A missile guidance system is always expensive.
                      Today, the most expensive missiles are missiles with ARGSN + RK, in the region of one million one hundred - one million two hundred thousand bucks.
                      Missiles with IKGSN will be two times cheaper.
                      Once in two or three cheaper missiles with IKGSN will be missiles with radio command telecontrol. SAM with a vertical launch ANS like Thor will cost a little more. Guided missile launchers will cost a little cheaper, as in Pantsyr.
                      What is the approximate price of the Pantsyrev missile launcher? There is nowhere simpler than that. Israel announced the price of SAM missiles in 20 thousand bucks. Well?

                      "A volley of how many missiles can intercept an LCD battery?

                      I repeat my answer - a volley of 40 Grad missiles reaching the skewers of the LCD will not completely stop, part of the missiles will hit the target. Will arrange such an answer?
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 12 June 2020 08: 32 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        Ok hit

                        No way. You draw conclusions without any information at all. This is a fact, not a collision.

                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        Well, your individual fellow tribesmen, for some reason, allow themselves to scum everything, why can't I question your officialdom embroidered with white thread? You understand to do efficiently and cheaply, which one of the words is superfluous. For example, I brought you the price of RVV. A missile guidance system is always expensive.

                        We are not discussing my compatriots, but the SAM SAM. The price of Tamir was officially announced, but you decided not to believe official reports.

                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        Today, the most expensive missiles are missiles with ARGSN + RK, in the region of one million one hundred - one million two hundred thousand bucks.
                        Missiles with IKGSN will be two times cheaper.
                        Once in two or three cheaper missiles with IKGSN will be missiles with radio command telecontrol. SAM with a vertical launch ANS like Thor will cost a little more. Guided missile launchers will cost a little cheaper, as in Pantsyr.
                        What is the approximate price of the Pantsyrev missile launcher? There is nowhere simpler than that. Israel announced the price of SAM missiles in 20 thousand bucks. Well?

                        The price of Tamir is not interesting to me, we are not discussing it, but "the inability to stop the volley of one PU Grad." In another thread, we will discuss the price. You will be very surprised that the Shell shell is more expensive than Tamir. But that is a different topic.

                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        I repeat my answer - a volley of 40 Grad missiles reaching the skewers of the LCD will not completely stop, part of the missiles will hit the target. Will arrange such an answer?

                        Will arrange. This answer demonstrates that you do not have any information about the ability of the LCD to reflect at least one volley of MLRS. You did not answer the second part of my question.
                        How many intercepted in battle?
                      2. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 12 June 2020 08: 42 New
                        -1
                        The price of Tamir is not interesting to me, we are not discussing it, but "the inability to stop the volley of one PU Grad."

                        What are you trying to discuss with me, and it’s not even interesting, you haven’t given essentially a single figure, and not a single adequate judgment on the issue. LCD yes interests me for a long time.
                        This is a fact, not a collision.

                        I clarify this is a dumb collision.
                        You will be very surprised that the Shell shell is more expensive than Tamir.

                        I will not be surprised, FOR I WILL CONSIDER INDEPENDENT LIES.
                        This answer demonstrates that you do not have any information about the ability of the LCD to reflect at least one volley of MLRS.

                        I have at least once taught the device of an air defense system in principle, so that I can draw certain conclusions based on extremely fragmentary information, which in this case is practically absent. At least by the method of analogies and comparisons. Since you diligently reject any of my questions, why do you think you have at least some right to ask them to me?
                        My assumption is that it will not be able to stop the “Shish kebab” salvo from 40 full-time LCD missiles. Loosen yes.
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 12 June 2020 08: 49 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        I clarify this is a dumb collision.

                        Think of it as you want, but you have not refuted the fact of not having information on the topic under discussion.

                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        I will not be surprised, FOR I WILL CONSIDER INDEPENDENT LIES.

                        So your officials who reported the amount of the contract and the number of missiles lied. Well, or my calculator is lying. As I have already downloaded this is another topic.

                        Quote: Cyril G ...
                        Since you diligently reject any of my questions, why do you think you have at least some right to ask them to me?

                        I will answer your questions after you answer mine that I asked first. It is not proper to answer a question with a question and translate the topic of conversation.
                        How many intercepted in battle?
  • Fidel
    Fidel 6 June 2020 14: 13 New
    0
    It’s not even funny ... A nation that faithfully copies literally everything that is used around the world (is it a good thing, is the third question) comes up with such splashes. What is going on with this world?)
    1. Adepton
      Adepton 6 June 2020 14: 30 New
      -2
      Quote: Fidel
      It’s not even funny ... A nation that faithfully copies literally all that exists around the whole world

      Well you do not tell Chinese civilization gave the world gunpowder and silk, etc.
      No need to belittle them too much
      A nation is efficient and organized! And now it’s especially not always possible to say “fu Chinese fake, like in the 90s” .. Not bad, they began to do things for the electronics too!
      The United States threw them everything and are now trying to take it away ..
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 6 June 2020 14: 14 New
    +1
    Those. if the systems are not used, for completely different reasons, are they "incompetent"?)))
    This is very funny))

    I propose that the Chinese deploy their air defense systems in Syria on their own behalf, to prove their "competence". Then we'll see))
  • Old26
    Old26 6 June 2020 14: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: yfast
    To fill up the Internet with burned and broken Bayraktars, it is advisable to lay out the remains in one place, put a couple of Shells nearby, and make a bunch of pictures. And there will be advertising for Bayraktaram and Shells. If Haftar has such a rabble that loses air defense in storage, then this is an advertisement for Havtar and his rabble, but not the Shell.

    You are to some extent right. This is a characteristic of the "squinting anti-aircraft gunners". But the only thing is that when we sell a small amount of anti-aircraft weapons to someone, we forget that in addition to aviation, missiles, a drone, this side (which has our own air defense systems) is opposed by such heavy artillery as the media of our opponents (rivals, competitors) .. Even without fighting in the ranks of supporters or opponents of Havtar, she fulfills her mission. He is doing everything to show in a negative light the actions of our air defense systems. And it doesn't matter to them who is at the controls. The result is important to them. And the result in Libya, alas, is the burnt “Armor”. And I think that they have cast very serious forces on the coverage of this problem. We, unlike the Western media, do not carry out such "propaganda work" against their technology as they do against ours. We must pay tribute, they ate this dog. Where necessary, "shade." where it is necessary to "drown out". We sometimes act very straightforwardly, without a “twinkle”.
    You mentioned the possibility of holding a “photo session” with downed Turkish drones and “shells”. The idea is good. But the people of Havtar did not think of this, but there seems to be nobody to tell. But the "other side" is using this situation at 100%
    Or take the conflict of Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Good or bad, but the Saudi air defense system performs its function. The way and not with 100% probability, but nonetheless. We take a single hundred percent success of the same Yemenis, such as a blow to an oil refinery and exploit it. And the Western media are thinner. Without denying the mistakes of the American air defense / missile defense system, which is in service with the KSA, they nevertheless try to use the successes to the maximum. Here you can see the wreckage of Yemeni missiles.

    Another option. Fortunately, so far only hypothetical. We have delivered to Iran EMNIP 4 S-300 divisions. True, they “tear up” this set and they have the same station in Bushehr guarded by one division. And with a serious raid, this division will be "taken out". And believe me, in the Western press there will be a mass of photographs of the broken S-300s and an article in which the red line will pass the thought, “look, the Russian air defense system is capable of nothing”.
    And this is a thought that is regularly communicated not only to the electorate, but also to those who decide on purchases as a result of which will result in the purchase not of our complexes, but the same state or Chinese in general, as less expensive. After all, comrade Donavi correctly wrote. Neither the S-300, nor the S-400 nor the Chinese clones participated in the hostilities. And the one who makes the decision most often draws his conclusions not only on the basis of the information he has, but sometimes on the basis of the prevailing propaganda situation. And “they won’t understand you” if you buy S-300 or S-400 while all the media will be full of photos of broken Russian complexes ...
  • Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 6 June 2020 14: 38 New
    0
    They are China, fakes are their destiny ... I myself live next to these ...
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 6 June 2020 14: 39 New
    0
    All of the Chinese best is just something they both bought and purchased. Yes, they’re masters.
  • iouris
    iouris 6 June 2020 14: 55 New
    0
    And how can one refute it?
  • vmo
    vmo 6 June 2020 16: 13 New
    -2
    some countries have already bought this advertisement and do not bite but gnaw their elbows, but pozno, people be vigilant; advertising is evil; they advertise what they cannot push.
  • Old26
    Old26 6 June 2020 18: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: vmo
    some countries have already bought this ad and don’t bite, but nibble, but

    And who bites his elbows, buying a Chinese air defense system? What about the phrase

    Quote: vmo
    people be vigilant; advertising is evil; they advertise what they cannot push.

    The phrase is a masterpiece. Not only is advertising an engine of commerce, it’s also your phrase that they buy what they cannot push - a masterpiece. So, by your logic, the advertising of our S-300, S-400, S-350, "Shell", and "Tor" complexes suggests that we cannot push them in, therefore, are we advertising? So what?
  • rotfuks
    rotfuks 6 June 2020 19: 05 New
    0
    Russian air defense systems are incompetent ... ... ... ???? The Chinese did not come up with anything new in such statements. This is an all-American technology of denigrating competitors before vparivat your product. A kind of marketing ploy. In order to promote their iPhone to the masses, Americans regularly launch lawsuits with Samsung and Hawey. In order to promote the Tesla electric car to the masses, the Americans cleaned the market from German cars by starting a “diesel scandal”. . The Americans, in order to promote their liquefied gas to the masses, declared sanctions to all participants in Nord Stream 2. In this regard, talking about the free market and the WTO or the EU are just intricate chatter.
  • Yuri Kharitonov
    Yuri Kharitonov 6 June 2020 21: 08 New
    0
    And there are no friends in the business.
  • Dron_sk
    Dron_sk 7 June 2020 02: 36 New
    +2
    Buyers of American airplanes and air defense do not create such plagiarism, because they know that they will fall under sanctions and lawsuits, it will turn out to be more expensive. And the Chinese are not afraid of copying everything of ours, and then they try to grab a piece of the pie from those who endowed them with the same technologies ... Damn allies. Indians fingers bend. The S-400 Turks study and then use this knowledge against us in Syria. Ungrateful business is to sell weapons to such countries.
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 7 June 2020 17: 07 New
    -2
    Israel, israel. Only 560 per 120 km. and stink ... Put the Hurricanes division and close the question of flights forever. Gouging into the trash and all ...
  • Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 7 June 2020 18: 59 New
    0
    This has never happened, and here it is again. Chinese friends praise their weapons and pour mud on Russian, fearing competition
  • G. Georgiev
    G. Georgiev 7 June 2020 21: 02 New
    -2
    YES ! S-300 and S-400 are ineffective. Russia is in Syria, not to protect its base, but to protect the state of Syria. I also urge Russia to buy Chinese air defense systems for its army. Unfortunately, this is a reality.