“Russian SAMs are incompetent”: Chinese media urge to take systems from China

Chinese media have recently focused on criticizing the Russian S-300 and S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems located in Syria, pointing to their inability to provide air defense for the country. According to publications from the Middle Kingdom, they should be replaced by a more "competent" FD-2000 system from China. “Competent”, as stated, in terms of detecting and characterizing a target.

The Vietnamese drew attention to these materials appearing in the Chinese press. news Portal Soha. According to him, over the past ten years, the PRC has been carrying out phased replacement of air defense systems of Russian origin. The latest creation created as part of this process is the HQ-9B long-range air defense system.

The Chinese constantly boast that the HQ-9 computer-electronic system is superior to the S-300 of Russia

- indicates Soha.

According to the Vietnamese publication, in 2015, about a quarter of Chinese “anti-aircraft guns” were of Russian origin, but now their number is only about 10%. If earlier, at the time of its appearance, HQ-9 was a system significantly inferior to analogues from the Russian Federation, then after 10 years of development and modernization (including through the “export” of technologies from Russia and the USA), it is, according to experts from China has clear advantages.

According to Soha, the HQ-9 radar is clearly copied from the S-300 systems. At the same time, the warhead of the Chinese complex has a lot in common with the American Patriot. FD-2000 is an export version of this complex. Its range is up to 300 km, the radar sees the targets at a similar distance. This station already worked in Syria: Type 120 was captured by rebels in 2013.

According to Chinese media, the S-300 and S-400 showed "complete incompetence" in Syria. In this regard, Damascus needs to pay close attention to the FD-2000. According to the Vietnamese publication, this information campaign, which began at the end of 2019, is taking place against the background of the lack of foreign orders. Despite the fact that Turkey, Egypt and Iraq expressed interest in the FD-2000, contracts with these countries have not been concluded.

Although the HQ-9 has not yet been tested in combat, the Chinese are still trying to promote that their system is superior to the S-300 and S-400 of Russia.

- notes the Vietnamese edition of Soha.

Comments

[svp67]

Yes, yes ... Peru at one time "bought" into Chinese advertising, after that it was very sorry ...

[Uncle Izya]

What did they buy Chinese tanks?

[svp67]

Quote: Uncle Izya

What did they buy Chinese tanks?

No, Chinese air defense radars

[Uncle Izya]

And in electronics, the Chinese made a breakthrough, scanners will start releasing for 28 nanometer electronics with 90 nm, a jump

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: svp67

Yes, yes ... Peru at one time "bought" into Chinese advertising, after that it was very sorry ...

Well, actually, a good thing doesn't need advertising. On this bought not Peru, but sold out officials of Peru. And they are not the last, for their number is a legion.

[letinant]

Oh, I have these Chinese experts and the Chinese media. However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased. Bouncers.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: letinant

Oh, I have these Chinese experts and the Chinese media. However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased. Bouncers.

It seems the Chinese are already all and sundry trolls.

Although the HQ-9 has not yet been tested in combat, the Chinese are still trying to promote that their system is superior to the S-300 and S-400 of Russia.
- notes Vietnamese edition soha.

But actually, the black leg will break: Soha, Sohu ....

[major147]

Quote: letinant

Oh, these Chinese experts and the Chinese media. However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased.

HQ-9 radars are clearly copied from the S-300 systems.

Guess why three times!

[Normal ok]

Quote: major147

Quote: letinant

Oh, these Chinese experts and the Chinese media. However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased.

HQ-9 radars are clearly copied from the S-300 systems.

Guess why three times!

And then, that tales about technology are needed only in order to squeeze the Russian presence in Syria. For the sake of the pro-Chinese Iranians. which of course will be on the "most advanced" Chinese technology.

[Tusv]

Quote: letinant

However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased. Bouncers.

And a ballistic target simulator at a distance of 210 they were hit by an export rocket, which is not possible, according to Wikipedia There was enthusiasm about this. Let them try to repeat their HQ-9B. BUT!!! Someone needs to vtyuhivat something. Moreover, we took away the contract for the Turkish missile defense in the most implicit manner. Tender then, the Chinese won

[Starover_Z]

Quote: letinant

Oh, I have these Chinese experts and the Chinese media. However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased. Bouncers.

So bought to gut! Just knowing their methods, WHY was it to sell them such a small amount ?!

[Dikson]

We bought it in order to take it apart by cogs and make our own ... Again ... against the background of the Syrian and Libyan "interceptions" ... The reputation of our air defense systems was not weakly damaged .. Are Israeli missiles flying through the S-300 and Armor? They fly .. Here's an offer from our Chinese brothers was not long in coming ..

[Cyril G ...]

Are you sure you are flying through?
Do you know what the S-400 destruction range is for a cruise missile crawling near the ground?

[Sergey10789]

What ???? And since when has the S-300 been obliged to fire at cruise missiles and aircraft? As far as I know, anti-air defense effectively "works" only in the system. Putting the S-300 battalion without a lower "link" will be useless. Again, the S-300 will NEVER be fired at fighters, attack aircraft, helicopters and non-ballistic missiles - this is not her level.
In general, it is rather stupid to consider some system as a unit and evaluate its effectiveness as a unit. It is not for nothing that each level of the staff structure has its own means: in the interests of the battalion there are MANPADS, in the interests of the regiment it is some kind of "Tunguzka" and "Pantsyri", in the division torah and beeches, etc. S-300 in Syria without full-fledged below standing links - just a pretentious reminder to someone there: "Guys, we put a radar here, and, as if cho, we see all of you ..." and nothing more.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Sergey10789

Again, the fighter, attack aircraft, helicopters and non-ballistic missiles from the S-300 will NEVER fire - this is not her level.

Seriously???

C-300B It is a front-line air defense system and was intended for the destruction of ground and aviation ballistic missiles (type SRAM), cruise missiles, strategic and tactical aircraft, barring active jammers, combat helicopters in the conditions of massive use of these air attack weapons, in difficult air and jamming situations , when conducting concealed troops maneuvering hostilities.

S-300P / PT / PM / PMU (1/2) It is intended for the defense of administrative and industrial facilities, stationary command posts, headquarters and military bases against attacks by strategic and tactical aircraft, as well as strategic cruise and aeroballistic missiles.

The main problem in Syria is not the impossibility to bring down from the sky everything that flies and does not speak to the request of "friend or foe", but the lack of an order for this action from the Kremlin.

[Sergey10789]

Just say one thing: are there all wikipedia experts like you? Or are you only unique? "Frontline" does not mean that it is at the front, right at the forefront. This means that she is acting in the interests of the front! Actually, you yourself have answered your own question, what the s-300 is intended for. Actually, this is how you can go to the bunny with the CPV and NSV. But why?)

[letinant]

Quote: Sergey10789

What ???? And since when has the S-300 been obliged to fire at cruise missiles and aircraft? As far as I know, anti-air defense effectively "works" only in the system. Putting the S-300 battalion without a lower "link" will be useless. Again, the S-300 will NEVER be fired at fighters, attack aircraft, helicopters and non-ballistic missiles - this is not her level.
In general, it is rather stupid to consider some system as a unit and evaluate its effectiveness as a unit. It is not for nothing that each level of the staff structure has its own means: in the interests of the battalion there are MANPADS, in the interests of the regiment it is some kind of "Tunguzka" and "Pantsyri", in the division torah and beeches, etc. S-300 in Syria without full-fledged below standing links - just a pretentious reminder to someone there: "Guys, we put a radar here, and, as if cho, we see all of you ..." and nothing more.

What kind of billiard is this? How do you get such knowledge about the S-300? This is not a missile defense system but an air defense system! I served on the S-300 and I can tell you with confidence that all of the above goals, plus cruise missiles, are targets of this complex. Small radius complexes are intended for firing at suddenly appearing targets. And the S-300, for targets located at medium and long distances. Why they do not shoot in Syria, then there is no order.

[Sergey10789]

[Sergey10789]

And they do not shoot because one shot and the whole ZVEZDA division ...

[Dikson]

Listen .. But it’s not even the performance characteristics of these complexes, and not whether there is an order for their work or not .. There were loud statements and reports about the deployment in Syria? There were. Israel even calmed down for a while .. As a result of what? And in the end - that there is this S-300, that it is not .. And this is just that reason for the Chinese to speak with their proposals .. And the hype around the Shell .. Yes, these specialists will figure out what worked there and what stood off or to those who shot back ... So, they picked up a key to the Shell .. And you can break spears about improper use or force majeure for any length of time .. - there is only one result in the war. Who hit the target, he won. And the Chinese have every right to use this result in order to advertise their goods .. Like any other seller ..

[Sergey10789]

Bileberd ???? Bileberd ????

[iouris]

Quote: letinant

However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased.

Those officials who sell single samples to China can be considered Chinese agents. Theft of military technology would cost China more.

[letinant]

Quote: iouris

Quote: letinant

However, two regimental sets of S-400 purchased.

Those officials who sell single samples to China can be considered Chinese agents. Theft of military technology would cost China more.

Do you know what a regiment kit is? These are several divisions, a command post, support systems. The regimental set can close the territory of almost any region. This is definitely not a single purchase.

[4ekist]

Their principle is this: buy-copy - and try to do better.

[prior]

It wasn’t a bobbin,
The wrong person was sitting in the cockpit ....
The point is not in technology, but in the decisions of members in high offices ...

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

And where did the Chinese air defense systems confirm their competence?

[donavi49]

Well, where are the Russians. Multi-defense against drones with Ali Express? And then, there the Torah is insured mainly so that, God forbid, does not fall into the territory, it is better to throw an additional Tor, so that it will surely fall apart.

Israel is bombing wherever it wants - the S-300, Buki and others are not a hindrance to it.
Turkey as a whole completed the task. And the UAV began to fall only when the Bukee drove up. Even the Syrians claimed 20 shot down by beeches.

In Libya, everything is bad. Another shell in the hangar banged.

But in Libya - Haftar decided to surpass even the Saudis. He left more than 50 tanks and self-propelled guns at the bases.

So you can kill any modern air defense system. For there are almost no real wars with air defense. Or the shock side has overwhelming advantages, the level of 100-200 MFI4 / 4 + against S-200/125.

[The popuas]

And what do you offer on drones with s400 ... and the sidebar stuck sideways to the article

[donavi49]

Haftar suddenly has a Shell and not only on Manah.
The answer is about air defense, not about the HQ-9. Simply, if you take HQ-9 / S-300 / S-400, then these systems are united by one thing = ZERO PARTICIPATION IN BATTLES. Again, standing in Hmeimim on the DB is the same as standing on the Indian border in the DB, working in mountainous terrain and being ready for direct combat use on Indian planes, which also fly there and simulate attacks (as well as Chinese Indians )

[The popuas]

They forgot about the havtar well, now we’ll study this passage ... Well, where are the Russians? Multi-defense from drones with Ali Express? .... drones shot down? Shot down ... the article is about long-range defense systems, I ask the question again! Do you offer drones to work with 300 s400, if yes, then I have bad news for you

[donavi49]

Well, what about the F-16 or strike ammunition? You yourself know who - strike wherever they want, including attacks on the neighboring base, where the S-300 stood. And zero activity .

Therefore, I repeat again:
HQ-9 / S-300 / S-400 - then these systems are united by one = ZERO PARTICIPATION IN BATTLES

[The popuas]

You tell me about drones with AliExpress, answer that you’re spinning like a pan

[donavi49]

Well, where are the Russians. Multi-defense against drones with Ali Express? And then, there the Torah is insured mainly so that, God forbid, does not fall into the territory, it is better to throw an additional Tor, so that it will surely fall apart.

So - it’s generally written in negative. Thor's rocket stands like an entire attacking swarm of drones.

Initially, I wrote this at this end:

So you can kill any modern air defense system. For there are almost no real wars with air defense. Or the shock side has overwhelming advantages, the level of 100-200 MFI4 / 4 + against S-200/125.

Assuming that standing in the multi-layered air defense of Khmeimim as a whole is not much different from standing in Rostov and does not differ in any way from the standing of Chinese air defense in the hot zone of the current Indo-Chinese disputes. Where the air forces of both countries actively maneuver and simulate attacks.

That is, the original, to which I replied:

And where did the Chinese air defense systems confirm their competence?

It can also be addressed to the S-300, S-400 and generally any modern SAM. This is not a reason to purchase and reanimate the heroic S-75 - which crammed more aircraft than all other air defense systems combined worldwide .

[loki565]

So - it’s generally written in negative. Thor's rocket stands like an entire attacking swarm of drones

Well, the iron dome resists missiles made from gas cylinders and sometimes misses them, although the system is not cheap

[Tusv]

Quote: donavi49

Assuming that standing in the multi-layered air defense of Khmeimim as a whole is not much different from standing in Rostov

Even as they differ. Work with Our control goals. Jam sophisticated. So it is not known to whom it is now easier. In Khmeinim or in Rostov. With a reservation. In Rostov, half a year, and in Khmeinim every day.

This is not a reason to purchase and reanimate the heroic S-75 - which crammed more aircraft than all other air defense systems combined worldwide

Of course. They will bomb the S-75s. And with the S-400s they will say that of course we will kill, but we will not risk it. And by the way, the Israeli comrades tearfully ask not to use the S-300 donated to the Syrians. And yes. We are not at war with Israel

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tusv

And by the way, the Israeli comrades tearfully ask not to use the S-300 donated to the Syrians.

And where can I read about tearful requests?

[Tusv]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

And where can I read about tearful requests?

Sometimes the lack of news speaks truer than the news itself.
Judge for yourself. There is news about the delivery of the S-300, there is news about until we teach the Sirian calculations - there is, BB "registered" in Moscow - there is. But what was transferred to the Syrian calculations is not present. And rest assured. This news would be trumpeted by all and sundry

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tusv

Judge for yourself. There is news about the supply of S-300, news about it until we teach Syrian calculations we will not transmit - there is

And there is the same
Sergei Shoigu said in a special appeal, broadcast on air He said that the S-300 air defense system, capable of intercepting air attack weapons at a distance of over 250 km and hitting several targets at the same time, would be delivered to the Syrian armed forces within two weeks. To ensure centralized control of all Syrian air defense forces and means, monitoring of the air situation and operational target designation, command posts of the Syrian air defense units and military units will be equipped with automated control systems. In addition, in the areas adjacent to Syria over the Mediterranean Sea, radio-electronic suppression of satellite navigation, airborne radars and communication systems of foreign military aircraft attacking objects in Syrian territory will be applied. “We are convinced that the implementation of these measures will cool the“ hot heads ”

Quote: Tusv

BB "registered" in Moscow - is.

But what they are talking about we don’t know, not me and not you.
Maybe he explained that after the first shot of the S-300, the same fate awaits as other air defense systems.
And this is MINUS marketing (more serious than me)
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Quote: Tusv

But the fact that they transferred the Syrian calculations no. And be sure. This news would be trumpeted by everyone

But who asked whom and what they trumpeted.
The head of the Russian NSS, Nikolai Patrushev, who visited Jerusalem, said Israeli strikes (or ascribed to Israel attacks) on Syria "undesirable". In other words, he did not say that Israel is obliged to completely abandon such actions, but made it clear that such should be infrequent and directed, so that Russian servicemen are not under attack. Including those engaged in providing air defense in Syria.
It was in June-July, 2019, as stated, that Russian military advisers were supposed to complete the training of Syrians in the management of S-300 complexes and give them control over them. That is, to remove their specialists from combat duty and withdraw them from the zone of a possible strike by the Israeli Air Force.

[Tusv]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

It was in June-July, 2019, as stated, that Russian military advisers were supposed to complete the training of Syrians in managing S-300 complexes and transfer control over them to them.

What am I talking about? They should have, but did not pass. Well, try to dunk the S-300 when the Air Defense Major of the Russian Federation sits on the DKP Guard. War

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tusv

They should have, but did not pass.

Can I read?

Quote: Tusv

Well, try to dunk the S-300 when the Air Defense Major of the Russian Federation sits on the DKP Guard.

If he shoots he will get back. And they sat, and shot, and perished, but no one started the war, and it was the USSR, they understood that any war could quickly grow into the World War and God forbid the latter.

[Tusv]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

If he shoots he will get back. And they sat, and shot, and died, but no one started the war, and it was the USSR

Wow, how many 125 native shot Israeli mirages. Israel fought with Syria and Egypt. They have reconciled with Egypt, but they still will not see Syria fiercely

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tusv

Wow, how many 125 native shot Israeli mirages.

No problem, write how many and I will write how many instants per one mirage.

Quote: Tusv

and Syria fiercely will not see until now

Maybe something like a turn, they wanted to make peace and give the Golan, so they wanted, and part of Keneret. And what is Syria today? And who to hate?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tusv

Sometimes the lack of news speaks truer than the news itself.

I regret it, but I'm not Wanda and not Messing. You're lucky.

[Tusv]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

I regret it, but I'm not Wanda and not Messing. You're lucky.

Remember the film "Battle for Moscow" and Zhukov's dialogue with Stalin?
Do you know von Bock's plans? I don’t know von Bock’s plans, but in this situation he will do so, and not otherwise
Everything is very simple

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tusv

Everything is very simple

I don’t know about you, but I’m neither the first nor the second. But in any case THEY used the same INFORMATION.

[Dikson]

Wang was called this blind grandmother .. And WANDA is a fish from the movie of the same name :)

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Dikson

Wang was called this blind grandmother .. And WANDA is a fish from the movie of the same name :)

Thank. Eyed

[Fitter65]

Quote: donavi49

Well, what about the F-16 or strike ammunition? You yourself know who - strike wherever they want, including attacks on the neighboring base, where the S-300 stood. And zero activity

Did the F-16 strike from Syrian airspace?

[Sergey10789]

Well, here you are wrong. F-16 is not a c-300 level. S-300 and the like, it is still breaking through the first five lines of defense enemy bombers .... Well, or ballistic missiles .... Well, not at all any mosquitoes like f-16 ...

[zadorin1974]

Kind Maxim. And Donavi is in many ways right and doesn’t negotiate much. Thanks to not courage (sometimes I would call cowardice) we drive ourselves under the baseboard. In Syria there are C 300 and 400. But only radars are used. Donavi fellow citizens do not leave their they do what they want and how they want (it’s a fact) and they smear us with shit. Ours themselves don’t want to give the Syrians any. What conclusions can be drawn from this? Our complexes sucks, since the Russians can’t bring down insolent gears ( potential customers can think about this?) Well, on the account of Haftar Donavi, too, is right (also mean-spirited), we no longer need to sell equipment to anyone from greed, but selectively and with severe restrictions. Haftarovtsy and our shells did not just cheat us, substituting destruction, they will probably throw them soon when the ashtray is full (these assholes will even break the glass device and cut themselves). We already with our air defense systems sold to anyone hit the same level as the mattresses in Saudi Arabia when Pe triots cool crap on Titomir))))

[donavi49]

it’s no longer necessary to sell equipment to anyone from greed, but selectively and with severe restrictions

Well, that would not work here.
In the early 00s, the developer of the complex did not have the means to fine-tune. Only a purchase guarantee from the UAE, as well as financing in the amount of $ 120 million of development by the UAE, saved the Shell from eternal parking in the backyard in the form of prototype demonstrators.

The same thing happened with the Tiger. If the UAE had not entered the project, then there would have been no Tiger, and the army would have traveled everywhere in UAZ even today.

[zadorin1974]

Good Donavi! When you are not politicized, it is pleasant to communicate with you, otherwise only emotions. At the expense of "Tiger" you are trying to pull the globe. Jordanians to the Emirates, the Emirates to Gaziks with 60 lamas for development. And then nobody needed the Tiger (the Arabs began to cut their own). and "Wolf" we got this squalor. On "Shell" I can argue with you at the level "And from our window Red Square is visible"))))))) I was not interested, to be honest, I will look an incentive has appeared.

[Eugene-Eugene]

What? The tiger is a Humvee, which we did not have offspring. And he is in any way better than the UAZ-469.

[zadorin1974]

For your information, there were several prototypes - Bear, Wolf, Scorpio. At least the latter with the possibility of modular protection. Kamaz sold his Tiger. I, at least at least at the first SPM with kamens, rolled, so I have an idea. And the first ham (also not happy) drove through the country.

[V.I.P.]

KM-SAM forgot the Korean counterpart of the Vityaz air defense system. Jointly developed, only they had it in the army since 2017 .... BMP-3 was purchased by the UAE, if it hadn’t been for them, the plant would have been closed a long time ago due to the lack of orders.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: zadorin1974

.In Syria, there are C 300 and 400. But only radars are used. Donavi fellow citizens do what they want and how they want (without leaving their Lebanese and airspace) (this is a fact)

This is a convenient excuse for those who do not know the map. Strikes are carried out throughout the territory where the need arises.
If you had to read that on 4.06.20 unidentified aircraft struck the enterprise with Iranian-made missiles and, as always, it says that it was from Lebanese territory. Do not think that in Israel they work according to the pattern that you write about all the time.
All eggs are not put in one basket.

[zadorin1974]

Vitaly, what kind of nation are you like? You are talking about one thing, you are talking about something else. I’m not talking about the actions of the aviation of your country (and don’t need to la that you fly into Syria), I mean that our VESS !!! !! shoot down your planes and do not give the Syrians. By this they question the capabilities of the C 300-400. All the same, it’s hard when there are fifteen boloboles on one adequate.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: zadorin1974

Vitaly, what kind of nation are you like?

Wow! I am alone, this is a whole nation. Thank. But about you, I can’t write such a thing.
Donavi fellow citizens do not leave their Lebanese and airspace what they want and how they want (this is a fact) while we are also smeared with shit
You wrote it.

[zadorin1974]

And what did Vitaly want to say about? Of course I wrote, and?

[Cyril G ...]

You again decided to forget that the Syrian air defense system was destroyed by the word in general. And it’s good if the detection tools control about 30 percent of the territory and then at high altitudes. And as for your missile defense systems, I’ll immediately say the LCD is not designed even for a single volley of Grad.

[Cyril G ...]

We didn’t sell Haftar Pantsiri, by the way.

[NEXUS]

Quote: donavi49

Israel is bombing wherever it wants - the S-300, Buki and others are not a hindrance to it.

I am wildly sorry, but the Russian Federation is at war with Israel in order to land their fighters? As for the Syrians, the question is very acute qualifications of these grief air defense.

Quote: donavi49

And the UAV began to fall only when the Bukee drove up. Even the Syrians claimed 20 shot down by beeches.

And on the new modification of BEECH, which brought in, what calculations were there?

Quote: donavi49

In Libya, everything is bad. Another shell in the hangar banged.

This you also attribute to the lack of the Shell, as I understand it ...

[donavi49]

1) So what is the difference from the question I answered?

And where did the Chinese air defense systems confirm their competence?

Ok, I’ll transfer the question to another plane:
And where did the Russian air defense systems confirm their competence?

2) Well, this is a great mystery. Probably experienced guys were removed from Damascus. There are good Syrians on Buk-M1.

3) Well, this is the public relations of the complex for export. Now it will be very difficult to sell. For the entire Internet is littered with burnt Carapace and their shooting from drones. Plus sanctions. That is, it will be very difficult for the government / president to push through the contract decision.

[yfast]

To fill up the Internet with burned and broken Bayraktars, it is advisable to lay out the remains in one place, put a couple of Shells nearby, and make a bunch of pictures. And there will be advertising for Bayraktaram and Shells. If Haftar has such a rabble that loses air defense in storage, then this is an advertisement for Havtar and his rabble, but not the Shell.

[Revolver]

Quote: yfast

If Haftar has such a rabble

Arabs they are such arabs.

[sabakina]

donavi49 Do not get into the bottle, there is no bottom.

[Tusv]

It’s unfortunate that this comment can only be checked out once.

[Tusv]

Quote: = donavi49

And where did the Russian air defense systems confirm their competence?

And what is the name of the native Paramilitary in NATO? Inaccessibility Zone. A2 / AD - There are two to hell. A trifle, but nice

[Cyril G ...]

The debris of the Bayraktarov, by the way, is more than the Armor, but it costs not much less. Ukrainians bought from the Turks a set of control stations, 6 Bayraktarov, 200 TSA for 69 million bucks.

[vicvladol]

Quote: donavi49

And where did the Russian air defense systems confirm their competence?

Of course, they don’t tell us everything, and this is absolutely correct. But (including here) the following information passed:
https://riafan.ru/834662-tartus-rossiiskie-sily-pvo-vypolnili-zapusk-rakety-s-300-v-napravlenii-sredizemnomorya
Launch of S300 "in the direction of the Mediterranean Sea". There was no official confirmation. But "An unverified commentator reported that an S-300 missile allegedly shot down an unmanned aerial vehicle over the Mediterranean."
Immediately after that, there was a message from the Americans about the loss of a drone. Naturally, somewhere in the States. There were no photos / videos from the crash site. I will not search for a link, sorry.
Maybe these 2 events are not connected in any way, but many then agreed that there is a chance of a connection.
They had no reason to officially admit that “We shot down” and “We were shot down”.

[Interlocutor]

Ok, I’ll transfer the question to another plane:
And where did the Russian air defense systems confirm their competence?

The answer is also in a different plane.
The competence of the Russian air defense system, including the fact that your side works very very very very carefully in places where our people in crews could potentially be.

Well, this is the public relations of the complex for export. Now it will be very difficult to sell.

The fastest way is not. This is practically the workhorse of the war. A little more time will pass and she will become like "Shilka". No matter how much shilka you destroy, they still take it. So it is here. A bad radar - we will put it better, again a bad radar - another upgrade. Nobody can offer anything yet. Well, there are no other burned options for weapons of this class from the battlefields on the Internet. But there are no downed planes and intercepted missiles by other means. Conclusion: there are "bad" Shells and nothing else.

[Cyril G ...]

Offhand from the Turks 5 Bayraktar in Idlib and 17 Bayraktar and 2 Anki in Lebanon were shot down. Photos of debris take place at Aviation Security Network

[major147]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: donavi49
Israel is bombing wherever it wants - the S-300, Buki and others are not a hindrance to it.

So they also "smack" from the territory of other states. They will shoot them down over Lebanon - they will stink !!!

[Tuesday]

How many characters are brainwashed with the most primitive propaganda. Where did you see the Shell in the hangar? Where did you see the destroyed s-300? The photo showed the wreckage of just the S-200 destroyed; it drafts when, where and by whom!

[Cyril G ...]

Russia is at war with Israel to land their fighters?

I’ve been trying many times to get an answer from this Israeli eee colleague. SILENT. YOU UNDERSTAND. And given that no one remembers how the supply of Syria is organized, this is all the more surprising.

to the Syrians, so here the question is very acute qualifications of these grief air defense officers.

I believe Assad and K. Hel Khavir does not take bites seriously, given that they have problems and are more serious ....

This you also attribute to the lack of the Shell, as I understand it ...

Who would doubt bgggg ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

I believe Assad and K. Hel Khavir does not take bites seriously, given that they have problems and are more serious ....

Already perceives, before yes thought that with the help of the ksir he will correct the situation, but he has lost part of his air defense. You know that there is a warning system between Hel Khavir and the videoconferencing system and each time a request is sent to convey to Syria that each launch in the direction of the aircraft, the installation that fired, will be destroyed. At first they did not believe, but now they believed.

[Cyril G ...]

I know in the course - exactly one ancient S-200 radar and one S-200 launcher were destroyed, exchanged for Sufa. A good exchange in general ....

Already perceives

And by the way, I don’t think so, because he has much more serious problems.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

I know in the course - exactly one ancient S-200 radar and one S-200 launcher were destroyed, exchanged for Sufa. A good exchange in general ....

And you decided that this will pass?
In response, on the same day, Jewish state aircraft attacked Iranian targets in Syria and destroyed Iranian unmanned aerial vehicle control point.
Israeli planes then hit on 12 positions in Syria, including eight Syrian, among which - three air defense batteries, and also hit four Iranian military targets
Saturday strike on targets in Syria became Israeli Air Force's largest operation against Syrian air defense systems since the First Lebanon War 1982 (also known as the military operation "Peace for Galilee" - approx. TASS).
20 November 2019, 02: 51
The report said the targets included air-to-ground missiles, headquarters, weapons depots and military bases. The attack was carried out in response to a missile launch by Iranian forces from Syria on November 19. During the attack, the Syrian air defense tried to shell Israeli aircraft. Several Syrian air defense batteries were destroyed.
I can continue.

[Cyril G ...]

on 12 positions in Syria, including eight Syrian, among which - three air defense batteries, and also hit four Iranian military targets

***

During the attack, the Syrian air defense tried to shell Israeli aircraft. Several Syrian air defense batteries were destroyed.

"Peshi ischo, there is nothing to feel sorry for their bassoons!"

I can continue.

Of course. This is so interesting to me! A photo confirmation will be ??? And then, paradoxically, you always accuse Arabs of lies, but are you invited to take a word about your successes? Do not make me laugh like that.

Several Syrian air defense batteries were destroyed.

Yes, by the way, do you know what an air defense missile battery is, the destruction of which you boasted of?
As a minimum, if we are talking about Buka - 6 combat vehicles, and another dozen and a half offhand support vehicles?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Of course. This is so interesting to me! A photo confirmation will be ???

IDF, strikes in Syria were the answer to the last missile attack on the Golan Heights. The Iron Dome air defense system shot down 4 missiles flying in the direction of Israeli settlements.
As a result of the launch of 40 Delilah cruise missiles, they were destroyed six Syrian air defense systems, and, as the sources indicate, one of them was set Russia ZRPK "Shell-S".
It is known that one of the cruise missiles destroyed anti-aircraft self-propelled installation "Shilka".
Israeli rockets destroyed at least two radars, the S-75 air defense system and several more air defense systems in one of the areas near Damascus.

And if you want photos, you can contact the Israeli Defense Ministry or attaché in Moscow
Mr. Herman Giltman - Military Attache
Tel: [phone]
Tel: [phone] (797)
Fax: [phone]
[email protected]
[email protected]

[Cyril G ...]

And if you want photos, you can contact the Israeli Defense Ministry or attaché in Moscow
Mr. Herman Giltman - Military Attache

You are already repeating, for the umpteenth time. So to answer specific questions, the indicator is near the baseboard level. You can’t do it like that! Blatantly brash!
So. That is, you have no evidence. Solid boltology. Yes Hel Khavir is no longer a cake. I got you damned political correctness ....
In total, with a certain probability, I’m already playing for you. We can talk about the inconvenience of the S-200 launcher, the U-S-200 radar, and the possible damage of 2 Armor for the last couple of years .... I cancel your request for five as unconfirmed.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Yes Hel Khavir is no longer a cake.

And not even cookies.

Quote: Cyril G ...

You are already repeating, for the umpteenth time. So to answer specific questions, the indicator is near the baseboard level.

I hung the address where you can address with your questions, but the answer will be approximately the same.
Here is an excerpt from the interview.
Dmitry Dubov: Is there any connection between this statement and the fact that air strikes were fired in the sky over Damascus and on the Syrian-Lebanese border, for which Israel never claimed responsibility?

Avigdor Lieberman: According to my guesses, all these air strikes were carried out by the Air Force of Liechtenstein and Monaco.

Quote: Cyril G ...

You can’t do it like that! Blatantly brash!

And in that tone, you can have a conversation with your chairman of the collective farm.

[Cyril G ...]

And in that tone, you can have a conversation with your chairman of the collective farm.

So do not lie. Do propaganda too ...

I hung the address where you can address with your questions, but the answer will be approximately the same.

On the one hand, this is equal to polite sending in three letters, which in general is not surprising, on the other hand, to your complete drain, because you broadcast unconfirmed, uh, "successes" ..

[Tuesday]

Enchanting freak! And where did you see the Pantsyr?

[Sergey10789]

Bro !!!! 5 points and shake my hand!)))))

[Grits]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

And where did the Chinese air defense systems confirm their competence?

However, the S-300 and S-400 are also not confirmed anywhere.
After all, they said that the silence of our systems in Syria will lead to the fact that the sunset of their vaunted glory and PR will begin. This time has come.

[Sergey10789]

And for what purposes in Syria they should "Talk" ?!

[Grits]

Quote: Sergey10789

And for what purposes in Syria they should "Talk"?

For those that threaten the Syrian Arab Republic and facilities located on its sovereign territory

[Sergey10789]

Everything that flies there and carries the threat of the SAR are targets for the means of the regimental, well, at best, divisional air defense. How can you not understand this?))) S-300/400 will never shoot at sparrows such as a fighter or attack aircraft. Such complexes have a different tactical role. Nobody rolls out "Hyacinth" or "Peony" or even "Msta-S" to the front edge to destroy enemy tanks in direct fire. Why??? Because their tactical role is different, so why do you demand from the complex, which has a completely different role, to perform the tasks that arrows, needles, tunguska, armor, tori and beeches should perform?

[Grits]

Quote: Sergey10789

S-300/400 will never shoot at sparrows like a fighter or attack aircraft.

You want to say that the S-300 is there in order not to launch a strategic bomber like B-52 or B-1 in Syria? And not going to exchange for less. Well, maybe even on an intercontinental ballistic missile come down ... Yes, you're a joker.

[Sergey10789]

I can be a joker either. Yes, only you are probably familiar with the specifics of the use of forces and weapons in general and with air defense only from comments on a similar resource.
Well, okay, I'll tell you why the S-300 is there. She stands there for show-off. Well, a little bit for observation. And she will be silent there until she is removed from there!)))) Because no one will exchange such a complex for 6 fighter-type aircraft ... Well, ideally, for 12 aircraft, according to the number of ready-to-launch aircraft missiles. And in reality, after the very first launch, the same fighters will disassemble it by cogs without even entering the airspace of Syria, because this S-300 is worth a penny without a full-fledged subordinate divisional, regimental and battalion air defense units. And there are no such links in Syria!)))

[APASUS]

China is copying the manner in which its weapons are advertised in the United States. And in full this image is all around manure, and the Chinese is the best! However, China was also invited to Syria with super-air defense weapons and the Chinese have something to do there, but something did not grow together ......... or may be afraid of another Peruvian incident

[donavi49]

So why should they climb into Syria? On their agenda, in addition to returning the Chinese island to the arms of the central government, there is still a tough cut with the Indians. Where at the altitudes of 4000m + - the Chinese are trying to overcome the land, in small steps. If it grows from sticks to something more, then air defense will work there. He also has a strategic friend and ally, Pakistan, where he has already sold his HQ-16 air defense (Buk with vertical launch from Calm and on a wheelbase). Well, Africa, where arms sales are growing. Also, Central Asia - where sales are also rapidly growing:
Turkmens have already bought HQ-9 and a bunch of different things.

Uzbeks bought HQ-9 and a bunch of different things.

Kazakhstan bought Y-8F - 4 units and possibly 2-4 more (and they are also staring at the new Y-20 for airborne and transportation).

[APASUS]

Quote: donavi49

So why should they climb into Syria? On their agenda, in addition to returning the Chinese island to the arms of the central government, there is still a tough cut with the Indians.

On their agenda, first of all, the emergence of China not as a factory producing cheap consumer goods, but as a world power. And in Syria there was an opportunity to prove that you can really confront in a fighting clash, test equipment and utilize the Uyghurs fighting on the motley side for one groupings.

[businessv]

Quote: donavi49

as well as they stare at the new Y-20 for airborne and transportation

It's so funny to see a bunch of first-aid kits on the plane instead of parachutes! Flyers, this is not in your address!

[Tuesday]

Exactly! And how much I'm interested in military developments: the United States has traditionally inflated its performance characteristics by at least 30%, while the USSR has underestimated them by the same amount. And traditionally during the presentation, explosives are laid in the target. In short, a deception in everything! And I remember how about 8 years ago the United States and China officially announced the creation of a traction-free engine!)))))

[Thrifty]

The Chinese are using not only our mistakes, but also obsessive-aggressive pseudo-marketing, and they are passing off their massive copy-paste as a military panacea! There is only its own paint and name, the filling is the same illegally illegal, or licensed from all over the world, but it’s an ambition, as if they really created something outstanding!

[rocket757]

Unfortunately, the buyer has its own interests. And first of all, buy cheaper.

[V.I.P.]

Well, they and their development in the military-industrial complex is full. The destroyers analogue of Aegis rivet like pies. But in the Russian Federation this is not and never will be. MLRS with a range of 120 to 450 km. Is there such a thing in the Russian Federation? Attack drones and their ammunition. Does the Russian Federation have this? ATGM with a shot-forgot system and a blow to the roof, is there in the Russian Federation? Tanks protect against ATGMs or from an enemy tank using a laser mounted on the tank (burns out the sights and retina of the gunner’s eyes) is there in the Russian Federation ??
Well, a bunch of radio electronics components from China and Asia for "our unparalleled" . Only they comply with sanctions and do not sell military elements, but only cheap civilian electronics ....

[Thrifty]

VIP, and where are the Chinese tanks fighting? Our won around the world, and copy-paste from your beloved China, it seems like he was not in any military operations and was closely noticed!

[V.I.P.]

Well, if something is at war where, then let's remember about "those who do not have an analogue world". A lot of our weapons have not fought anywhere. Or how it burns, let's see ...
.Chinese MANPADS and ATGMs in Syria hit targets. Percussion drones in Libya use ..
Tanks to whom they pass? Pakistan, Bangladesh. Who are they fighting with?
And they sell their various systems to Algeria, the UAE, Saudi Arabia and South America .. These countries pay money and can choose what they consider to be of high quality.
The former republics of the USSR buy a lot of things from them, and not in the Russian Federation. And for the money, and not on credit, which you do not need to give, because they will write off, like the Russian Federation.

[sabakina]

Quote: V.I.P.

Well, if something is at war where, then let's remember about "those who do not have an analogue world". A bunch of our weapons never fought. Or see how it burns ......

Excuse me, are you talking about Zircon, Vanguard, Relight and engineer hyperboloid Garin verb?

[V.I.P.]

Varshavyanka drowned at least one goal? S-300/400 shot down a plane? Su-30/34/35 airplanes and Mi-28, Ka-52 helicopters attacked targets with a normal air defense system, or maybe they shot down planes in air battles?)
Maybe there were such counter-fights of T-90 with Merkava 4, Leclerc, Leopard 2A6 / 7, Abrams 3 versions, (with uranium armor and BOPS from uranium), the Korean Panther.
All countries manufacturers praise their own, that would sell. And what in reality will show only the battle. But better not. Well nafik world wars) ....

[sabakina]

Do you want to unleash the Third World? She is the last ..

[Tusv]

Quote: V.I.P.

Su-30/34/35 aircraft and Mi-28, Ka-52 helicopters attacked targets with a normal air defense system

Georgia was normal. Families of the dead pilots will not be allowed to lie. And we demonstrated there how Soviet air defense, but with NATO standards, is being destroyed. brand new EW, long-range HARMs on brand new Duckling

[Interlocutor]

Varshavyanka drowned at least one goal?

And what, at least one submarine, of some country, drowned some purpose?
Tell us?

[Cyril G ...]

After 1945 Pakistani "Frenchwoman" - Indian frigate. The British nuclear submarine sank the Argentine cruiser. And someone drowned a South Korean corvette with a torpedo.

[PPD]

Kostroma nuclear submarine dumped the American submarine Button Rouge.
A tsyfir flaunts quite legitimately on the wheelhouse

[Revolver]

Quote: PPD

Kostroma nuclear submarine dumped the American submarine Button Rouge.
A tsyfir flaunts quite legitimately on the wheelhouse

When the Kursk was killed, someone somewhere claimed that an American nuclear submarine had been spotted on the sonars nearby, well, it’s just the intrigues of American imperialism.
And in order to send the American nuclear submarine to the landfill, it’s enough a painter without brains. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Miami_(SSN-755)
Or say that he is supposedly a valiant undercover Russian intelligence agent?

[Charik]

choose-what is cheaper-quality here is zero

[Tusv]

Quote: V.I.P.

in the Russian Federation this is not and will not be. MLRS with a range of 120 to 450 km. Is there such a thing in the Russian Federation?

The dude, washing his pants, said: "You can't trust anyone, not even yourself. Because he just wanted to fart," and you believe in Wikipedia. On that wiki. The Chinese exceeded the range of work on a ballistic target 2 times not on their HQ-9B, but on Our S-400

[V.I.P.]

They tested the polonaise for 200 km, now the Chinese give them a rocket for 350 km ..

[Tusv]

Quote: V.I.P.

They tested the polonaise for 200 km, now the Chinese give them a rocket for 350 km ..

And cheat, do we still have to queue up for a Chinese miracle weapon? No. Iskander will somehow be more reliable when it comes to operational tactical

[V.I.P.]

We stand in line, we buy microelectronics from them, the engines for the ships were bought from the Chinese (it seems now from the Koreans). Glass for optics from China, filler for filter boxes of gas mask from China. But the Chinese only sell civilian electronics to us and the engines were civilian. They comply with the embargo on the supply of military products to us)))

[Tusv]

Quote: V.I.P.

We stand in line, we buy microelectronics from them, the engines for the ships were bought from the Chinese (it seems now from the Koreans).

It was like at an interview .. People advertised that they produce computers. I ask. Is everyone all? No, Chinese memory for cheaper at times.
And in civilian ship engines, as it is, Finns still prefer it, and the steering columns of a Swede. When will the White Stone be completed. Maybe then the Koreans will buy

[V.I.P.]

DOOSAN engines for RTOs are being purchased. Chinese do not go

[Cyril G ...]

MTU-type diesel engines purchased for Buyans are quite put on the ships of the Navy of China, and at the same time on the first Buyan with Ketai diesels they still had to bring to mind 3 three years ...

[businessv]

Quote: V.I.P.

The destroyers analogue of Aegis rivet like pies.

You yourself are not funny? They are analogues of iPhones and iPads, like rivets and pies, so what ?! Their analogue of appearance is not at all analogous to functionality! This requires brains and development experience, not stupid copying. 450 MLRS range where used?

[businessv]

Quote: V.I.P.

The destroyers analogue of Aegis rivet like pies.

You yourself are not funny? They are analogues of iPhones and iPads, like rivets and pies, so what ?! Their analogue of appearance is not at all analogous to functionality! This requires brains and development experience, not stupid copying. 450 MLRS range what is called where it was used? WS-3 - 200 km maximum. Do not throw fakes like pies, it will be right!

[V.I.P.]

MLRS WS-2D 400 km ..... It's not funny for you, civilian electronic components are purchased for Russian military products, they are shoved everywhere and written "has no analogues" ......... Where was it used ???? And where the S-400 was used, Bulava. Terminator, etc?))))

[businessv]

Quote: V.I.P.

where the S-400 was used, the Mace. Terminator etc

S-400 are used even in Turkey. The terminator is running in Syria, and it is better not to see the use of the Mace to anyone! Write nonsense again

civilian electronic components are purchased for Russian military products, they shove them everywhere and write "has no analogues"

In your opinion, it turns out that crystals for military equipment should be different from crystals for civilian ?! Think what you write, please! Ordering electronics with the specified TX is not a problem, and no one asks where it will be used!

[V.I.P.]

Disassemble Soviet army equipment, look. Then look at civilian products. Reliability and durability are different.

[businessv]

Quote: V.I.P.

Reliability and durability are different.

These parameters were different in the Union because the military industry was a separate industry, where all the best went! Now there is no such difference as, indeed, the Union itself, to my great regret.

[Interlocutor]

And where was the S-400 used, the Mace. Terminator etc?

Are you sick? Mace to use? Use your head on a wooden mace.

[Revolver]

This is such an "ally" of Russia, the Chinese. And here on VO a bunch of people are ready to fit in for the Chinese and throw minuses at all who are not fans of China.

[Gennady Fomkin]

The Bialyar comrades are trying, supplying the uncle Xiao's skillful pens with the developments of the Russian military-industrial complex

[rocket757]

And duck quack, quack, quack .... tf-u, frogs qua, qua, qua!
One thing is obvious, the Chinese are ready to get in everywhere and they have plenty of soap.

[mark1]

Well, what could have been expected if the S-300/400 were never fired upon, it is difficult to think of better measures to discredit. Soon a line of spitters will line up, and after that they will start showing in comedies. An urgent demonstration flogging of the Israeli Air Force is needed (of course, the Syrians should be "to blame" for everything)

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: mark1

Well, what could have been expected if the S-300/400 were never fired upon, it is difficult to think of better measures to discredit. Soon a line of spitters will line up, and after that they will start showing in comedies. An urgent demonstration flogging of the Israeli Air Force is needed (of course, the Syrians should be "to blame" for everything)

Shot on Israeli Air Force aircraft? Joker you are my friend, they are partners

[Fedorov]

And why rub the corns on the clave from these fake stuffing. Business wablo - that's all. Specialists already understand that there is no better S-400, "China simply does not have a school of air defense systems, at least for now. And this is not a dozen years.

[lelik613]

The Chinese are ... the Chinese. But! Cyprus conducted intensive intercept exercises with Israel dear Russians S-300 Tsakhalov aircraft and avoiding interception. Draw your own conclusions. And don't talk about export cuts. Trained on dogs, practiced on rams ...

[Cyril G ...]

Export trimming fact. I can specifically say on Osa-M / ME. our Wasp had 1 everyday frequent, 8 letters, wartime, the export 1 daily and 2 letters, + a lot of simplifications.

[lelik613]

That does not disprove the benefits of combat training and the study of "partner" technology live.

[Cyril G ...]

No, of course, but it probably doesn’t give a full deal ...

[DVR]

And a completely incomprehensible video at the end. ? Operational, training ground, district, army, convoy, march, platform, anti-aircraft missile, complex, ... Something like S-125 ... Then it looks like S-300 (400), the launch of a rocket, and this is clearly not complex FD-2000

[DVR]

Soryan, after a stormy Friday I'm drowning)

[Doccor18]

Russian air defense systems are incompetent ": Chinese media call for taking systems from China

That is why the Chinese bought the C300 and C400 and put them in the Beijing Military District to protect their capital.

[rotmistr60]

they should be replaced by a more "competent" FD-2000 system from China. "Competent", as stated, in terms of detection and characterization of the target.

Replacing Russian systems with your own is, of course, the full right of the Chinese, but why so loudly and obsessively praise your swamp in which you yourself have not yet fully mastered it?

[Yezhov]

Quote: rotmistr60

Replacing Russian systems with your own is, of course, the full right of the Chinese, but why it is so loud and intrusive to praise your swamp in which they themselves have not yet fully mastered

Show off ! China hasn’t fought normally yet and they’re not listening to Russians in vain ..

[nov_tech.vrn]

Purely Chinese chip, they could not tear, but they can criticize, so they will.

[rotkiv04]

Since when did the Vietnamese become experts in armaments, what difference does it make

[fn34440]

The scandal surrounding satellite imagery, on which, experts say, the detection and guidance of the S-300 air defense system at the US training ground, once again showed that the interest of Americans in Russian weapons has not gone away. The surge of interest in the S-300 complexes was first recorded in 2010. Then the Israeli Air Force first conducted exercises in conjunction with the Armed Forces of Greece. S-300PMU-1 missiles arrived in Greece in 1996, and at the time of delivery and military alert, their effectiveness was (and still remains) much higher than any foreign counterparts.
And in China, our Ukrainian partners sold all the technical documentation of the production of these complexes. Even under Kuchma.

[donavi49]

And in China, our Ukrainian partners sold all the technical documentation of the production of these complexes. Even under Kuchma.

Well, and also S-300PMU / 2 from Russia for reverse engineering + package (service and maintenance in China - all the equipment for this).

However, we can go further Calm-1 - which is on Grigorovich and Co. The complex actually died, because the Indians said we won’t give money, and the beam of norms + was already negotiating for Barak at that time. The Navy said - we won’t give money, we have a Redoubt. As a result, the Chinese financed the development, acquired rights, launched the production of a large series for frigates 054A, as well as modernized old destroyers. And they crashed a marine complex like the HQ-16. Now it competes with Buk and S-350 in the market.

[Gennady Fomkin]

The Chinese are ... the Chinese. But! Cyprus conducted intensive intercept exercises with Israel dear Russians S-300 Tsakhalov aircraft and avoiding interception. Draw your own conclusions. And don't talk about export cuts. Trained on dogs, practiced on rams ... [/ quote]
Rams? In October, special forces of the National Guard of the Republic of Cyprus flew to a two-week training exercise in Israel. Their main topics were urban warfare and tactical planning. The exercises were held in the Negev desert at the largest training base in the entire Middle East “Tseelim”, which is known for creating a complete imitation of the Arab city: loudspeakers from time to time hear the calls of the muezzin to prayer, Arabic music, the sounds of gunfire and explosions. The purpose of all this is to create an atmosphere as close as possible to hostilities. Where is the air defense?

[Gennady Fomkin]

https://youtu.be/PmMpkS2VD-Y

[501 Legion]

hahaha they are inadequate, or just praise their little interesting copy. Israeli planes and allies did not shoot down the Sisrian s300 because they were not corny to allow uncles from Moscow to work on these goals. it is first necessary to free the territory, gain strength, and then arrange disassembly with the neighbors.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: 501Legion

gain strength and then arrange disassembly with the neighbors.

So they already tried FOUR SEVEN to arrange a showdown, how did it end?

[regdan]

I support the Chinese. For all the time, not a single Israeli aircraft was shot down in Syria. Although the illegally educated Israel has repeatedly framed Russia.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: mark1

Need an urgent demonstration flogging of the Israeli Air Force

But it doesn’t work like Gogol’s "Non-commissioned widow carved herself”

[Mavrikiy]

“Russian SAMs are incompetent”: Chinese media urge to take systems from China

Well, if the Chinese media said, then or we’ll turn on the head.

Although the HQ-9 has not yet been tested in combat, the Chinese are still trying to promote that their system is superior to the S-300 and S-400 of Russia.

Smart, before deciding, will suggest: "Friends, sit in your super-duper and under the bombs, and then with balloons, or that under the rest, perhaps, an interview with your unwanted Chinese media will fall." Success guaranteed.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

And as for your missile defense systems, I’ll immediately say the LCD is not designed even for a single volley of Grad.

Everyone can be wrong.
. Regarding the interception percentage, the last round was particularly successful - more than 90% of the success was launched against missiles launched in the direction of populated areas (the Iron Dome system can ignore missiles heading into uninhabited areas and does not try to intercept them).
This high percentage was maintained even when the enemy fired a massive volley from less than 117 missiles in one hour (mainly in the direction of the city of Ashdod). The reason for the relatively large number of missiles that landed in populated areas was the huge number of missiles launched from the Gaza Strip - at least 690 launches in 36 hours (for comparison, on the day of the peak During the second Lebanon war in 2006, Hezbollah fired about 300 missiles )
Index 10% failure rate was reflected in 35 missiles that were supposed to be intercepted but were not. By the way, when many years ago the Directorate of Defense Research and Development (DDR & D) IMOD sent a request to develop a missile interception system, the requirements indicated only 70% success.
You need to read ALL and not just what you like.

[Cyril G ...]

Have you written this to say anything?
- I repeat, I said for the inability to stop the volley of one PU Grad. This is not true?

[Professor]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Have you written this to say anything?
- I repeat, I said for the inability to stop the volley of one PU Grad. This is not true?

There was a volley of one PU Grad and the LCD missed that volley? It looks like I missed such an interesting event. Remind me when this happened?

[Cyril G ...]

And you look at how many target channels come out, and estimate on your fingers the probability of a PC being hit by one missile defense. What is the problem?
LCD is a purely anti-terrorist device ... It is specifically needed especially in Israel and nowhere else

[Professor]

Quote: Cyril G ...

And you look at how many target channels come out, and estimate on your fingers the probability of a PC being hit by one missile defense. What is the problem?

There was a volley of one PU Grad and the LCD missed that volley?

Quote: Cyril G ...

LCD is a purely anti-terrorist device ... It is specifically needed especially in Israel and nowhere else

And why did a foreign client buy the residential complex if it is "specifically, especially in the conditions of Israel and nowhere else"?

[Cyril G ...]

There was a volley of one PU Grad and the LCD missed that volley?

No, but the niche weapon is purely, and imprisoned for the war with the local savages who fill the water pipes with gunpowder that fly anywhere. LCD weapons are purely anti-terrorism. A volley of modern MLRS is 40 missiles that fly quite accurately. For its interception, even with a declared probability of 0.8, a minimum of 50 anti-ballistic missiles is needed. In reality, of course, everything will be much sadder ... For 20 bucks, the price of a shot of a missile with an ARGSN - do not make me laugh. American AiM-000 with ARGSN costs 120 million 1 thousand bucks.

And why did a foreign client buy the residential complex if it is "specifically, especially in the conditions of Israel and nowhere else"?

Azerbaijanis? So the question is, think for the same. And they have oil, they will find money for missiles.

[Professor]

Quote: Cyril G ...

No, but

That is, your statement "said for the inability to stop a salvo of one PU Grad " nothing more than a figment of your imagination? A volley of how many missiles is capable of intercepting an LCD battery?
How many intercepted in battle?

Quote: Cyril G ...

the niche weapon is purely, and imprisoned for war with the local savages, who fill the water pipes with gunpowder, which fly anywhere.

"water pipes, that fly anywhere"It is much more difficult to intercept the trajectory of which it is easier to calculate and predict the trajectory of which the trajectory of the Grad projectile is much more difficult to intercept. However, the ZhK copes with both of them. It also intercepted mortar shells ..

Quote: Cyril G ...

A volley of modern MLRS is 40 missiles that fly quite accurately. For its interception, even with a declared probability of 0.8, a minimum of 50 anti-ballistic missiles is needed. In reality, of course, everything will be much sadder ... For 20 bucks, the price of a shot of a SAM with an ARGS - don't make me laugh. American AiM-000 with ARGSN costs 120 million 1 thousand bucks.

You do not count our money. It's not beautiful.

And why did a foreign client buy the residential complex if it is "specifically, especially in the conditions of Israel and nowhere else"?

[Cyril G ...]

And why did a foreign client buy the residential complex if it is "specifically, especially in the conditions of Israel and nowhere else"?

Means for similar conditions. Considering who the buyer is, I see a likely application scheme. We will see what comes of this.

"water pipes that go anywhere" are much more difficult to intercept

It is much easier with them, because they can be selected and stupid not to shoot at them ...

nothing more than a figment of your imagination? A volley of how many missiles is capable of intercepting an LCD battery? How many intercepted in battle?

Should I take this as a collision? Or did you decide to portray an examiner? I expressed my opinion. Are you free to agree or not.
Initially, I did not ask my interlocutor for the first time on this topic. Therefore, I said that the effectiveness of the LCD question is dubious. All the same, you still don’t know the performance characteristics of the LCD, such as the number and type of simultaneously tracked and fired targets, the principles of guidance, but nothing in fact other than the number of missile defense on the launcher. Based on the stated successes, it is extremely difficult to draw any conclusions.
And I consider official statistics to be any lie. Yours including.

[Professor]

Quote: Cyril G ...

Means for similar conditions. Considering who the buyer is, I see options for application.

Hence not "specifically, especially in the conditions of Israel and nowhere else." So we will write it down.

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It is much easier with them, because they can be selected and stupid not to shoot at them ...

Why not shoot? They are filled with explosives and they kill as well as regular ammunition. Unfortunately, real people died from Kasams. Water pipes are harder to track as you wrote "fly anywhere", And according to your RSO"fly accurately enough"and accordingly it's harder to track them. Don't you think?

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Should I take this as a collision?

Not at all. This is a statement of fact.

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I expressed my opinion. Are you free to agree or not. You still do not know the performance characteristics of the LCD, such as the number and type of simultaneously tracked and fired targets, the principles of guidance, but nothing in fact other than the number of missile defense on the launcher. Based on the stated successes, it is extremely difficult to draw any conclusions.

And nevertheless, without having any information, you draw these conclusions: "said for the inability to stop the volley of one PU Grad".

Quote: Cyril G ...

And I consider official statistics to be any lie. Yours including.

I absolutely agree with you on this and therefore I ask the question: "A volley of how many missiles is capable of intercepting an LCD battery?
How many intercepted in battle?"

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: professor

Not at all. This is a statement of fact.

Ok hit

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do: "said for the inability to stop a salvo of one PU Grad."

Well, your individual fellow tribesmen, for some reason, allow themselves to scum everything, why can't I question your officialdom embroidered with white thread? You understand to do efficiently and cheaply, which one of the words is superfluous. For example, I brought you the price of RVV. A missile guidance system is always expensive.
Today, the most expensive missiles are missiles with ARGSN + RK, in the region of one million one hundred - one million two hundred thousand bucks.
Missiles with IKGSN will be two times cheaper.
Once in two or three cheaper missiles with IKGSN will be missiles with radio command telecontrol. SAM with a vertical launch ANS like Thor will cost a little more. Guided missile launchers will cost a little cheaper, as in Pantsyr.
What is the approximate price of the Pantsyrev missile launcher? There is nowhere simpler than that. Israel announced the price of SAM missiles in 20 thousand bucks. Well?

"How many missiles can the LCD battery intercept?"

I repeat my answer - a volley of 40 Grad missiles reaching the skewers of the LCD will not completely stop, part of the missiles will hit the target. Will arrange such an answer?

[Professor]

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Ok hit

No way. You draw conclusions without any information at all. This is a fact, not a collision.

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Well, your individual fellow tribesmen, for some reason, allow themselves to scum everything, why can't I question your officialdom embroidered with white thread? You understand to do efficiently and cheaply, which one of the words is superfluous. For example, I brought you the price of RVV. A missile guidance system is always expensive.

We are not discussing my compatriots, but the SAM SAM. The price of Tamir was officially announced, but you decided not to believe official reports.

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Today, the most expensive missiles are missiles with ARGSN + RK, in the region of one million one hundred - one million two hundred thousand bucks.
Missiles with IKGSN will be two times cheaper.
Once in two or three cheaper missiles with IKGSN will be missiles with radio command telecontrol. SAM with a vertical launch ANS like Thor will cost a little more. Guided missile launchers will cost a little cheaper, as in Pantsyr.
What is the approximate price of the Pantsyrev missile launcher? There is nowhere simpler than that. Israel announced the price of SAM missiles in 20 thousand bucks. Well?

Tamir's price is not interesting to me, we are not discussing it, but "the inability to stop a salvo of one Grad launcher". In another thread, we will discuss the price. You will be very surprised that the Shell rocket comes out more expensive than Tamir. But that's another topic.

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I repeat my answer - a volley of 40 Grad missiles reaching the skewers of the LCD will not completely stop, part of the missiles will hit the target. Will arrange such an answer?

Will arrange. This answer demonstrates that you do not have any information about the ability of the LCD to reflect at least one volley of MLRS. You did not answer the second part of my question.
How many intercepted in battle?

[Cyril G ...]

Tamir's price is not interesting to me, we are not discussing it, but "the inability to stop a salvo of one Grad launcher".

What are you trying to discuss with me, and it’s not even interesting, you haven’t given essentially a single figure, and not a single adequate judgment on the issue. LCD yes interests me for a long time.

This is a fact, not a collision.

I clarify this is a dumb collision.

You will be very surprised that the Shell shell is more expensive than Tamir.

I will not be surprised, FOR I WILL CONSIDER INDEPENDENT LIES.

This answer demonstrates that you do not have any information about the ability of the LCD to reflect at least one volley of MLRS.

I have at least once taught the device of an air defense system in principle, so that I can draw certain conclusions based on extremely fragmentary information, which in this case is practically absent. At least by the method of analogies and comparisons. Since you diligently reject any of my questions, why do you think you have at least some right to ask them to me?
My assumption is that a volley of 40 standard missiles will not be able to stop the "Shashlik". Relax yes.

[Professor]

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I clarify this is a dumb collision.

Think of it as you want, but you have not refuted the fact of not having information on the topic under discussion.

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I will not be surprised, FOR I WILL CONSIDER INDEPENDENT LIES.

So your officials who reported the amount of the contract and the number of missiles lied. Well, or my calculator is lying. As I have already downloaded this is another topic.

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Since you diligently reject any of my questions, why do you think you have at least some right to ask them to me?

I will answer your questions after you answer mine that I asked first. It is not proper to answer a question with a question and translate the topic of conversation.
How many intercepted in battle?

[Fidel]

It’s not even funny ... A nation that faithfully copies literally everything that is used around the world (is it a good thing, is the third question) comes up with such splashes. What is going on with this world?)

[Adepton]

Quote: Fidel

It’s not even funny ... A nation that faithfully copies literally all that exists around the whole world

Well you do not tell Chinese civilization gave the world gunpowder and silk, etc.
No need to belittle them too much
The nation is efficient and organized! And now it is not always possible to say especially "Fu is a Chinese fake, like in the 90s" .. It’s not bad they began to make things for electronics!
The United States threw them everything and are now trying to take it away ..

[Lord of the Sith]

Those. if the systems are not used, for completely different reasons, are they "incompetent"?)))
This is very funny))

I suggest that the Chinese deploy their SAM systems in Syria on their own behalf, to prove their "competence." Then we'll see))

[Old26]

Quote: yfast

To fill up the Internet with burned and broken Bayraktars, it is advisable to lay out the remains in one place, put a couple of Shells nearby, and make a bunch of pictures. And there will be advertising for Bayraktaram and Shells. If Haftar has such a rabble that loses air defense in storage, then this is an advertisement for Havtar and his rabble, but not the Shell.

You are right to some extent. This is the characteristic of "cross-handed anti-aircraft gunners". But the only thing is that when we sell a small amount of air defense systems to someone, we forget that in addition to aviation, missiles, drone this side (which has our air defense systems) is opposed by such heavy artillery as the media of our opponents (rivals, competitors) .. Even without fighting in the ranks of supporters or opponents of Khavtar, she fulfills her mission. He does everything to show the actions of our air defense systems in a negative light. And they don't care who is "at the consoles". The result is important to them. And the result in Libya, alas, is the burned "Armor". And I think that they have thrown very serious efforts to cover this problem. We, unlike the Western media, do not carry out such "propaganda work" against their technology as they are against ours. We must pay tribute, they ate the dog on this. Where necessary "set off". where necessary "extinguish". We sometimes act in a very straightforward manner, without a "spark".
You mentioned the opportunity to hold a "photo session" with downed Turkish drones and "shells". The idea is good. But the people of Khavtar did not think of this before, and there seems to be no one to prompt. But the "other side" is using this situation 100%
Or take the conflict of Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Good or bad, but the Saudi air defense system performs its function. The way and not with 100% probability, but nonetheless. We take a single hundred percent success of the same Yemenis, such as a blow to an oil refinery and exploit it. And the Western media are thinner. Without denying the mistakes of the American air defense / missile defense system, which is in service with the KSA, they nevertheless try to use the successes to the maximum. Here you can see the wreckage of Yemeni missiles.

Another option. Fortunately, so far only hypothetical. We supplied Iran EMNIP with 4 S-300 divisions. True, they "ripped apart" this kit and they have one division guarding the same station in Bushehr. And in case of a serious raid, this division will be "taken out". And believe me, in the Western press there will be a lot of photographs of the crashed S-300 and an article, the red line in which will be the thought, "Look, the Russian air defense system is not capable of anything."
And this idea, which is regularly conveyed not only to the electorate, but also to those who make a purchasing decision, as a result, will lead to the fact that they will not buy our complexes, but the same US or even Chinese ones, as less expensive. After all, comrade Donavi wrote correctly. Neither the S-300, nor the S-400, nor the Chinese clones took part in the hostilities. And the one who makes the decision most often draws his conclusions not only on the basis of the information he has, but sometimes on the basis of the current propaganda situation. And "they won't understand you" if you buy an S-300 or S-400 while all the media will be replete with photographs of broken Russian complexes ...

[Slipper 2]

They are China, fakes are their destiny ... I myself live next to these ...

[Knell wardenheart]

All of the Chinese best is just something they both bought and purchased. Yes, they’re masters.

[iouris]

And how can one refute it?

[vmo]

some countries have already bought this advertisement and do not bite but gnaw their elbows, but pozno, people be vigilant; advertising is evil; they advertise what they cannot push.

[Old26]

Quote: vmo

some countries have already bought this ad and don’t bite, but nibble, but

And who bites his elbows, buying a Chinese air defense system? What about the phrase

Quote: vmo

people be vigilant; advertising is evil; they advertise what they cannot push.

The phrase is masterful. Not only is advertising the engine of commerce, but also your phrase that they buy what they cannot push is a masterpiece. So, according to your logic, the advertisement of our complexes S-300, S-400, S-350, Pantsir, Tor says that we cannot push them, that is why we advertise? So what?

[rotfuks]

Russian air defense systems are incompetent ... ... ... ???? The Chinese did not come up with anything new in such statements. This is an all-American technology of denigrating competitors before vparivat your product. A kind of marketing ploy. In order to promote their iPhone to the masses, Americans regularly launch lawsuits with Samsung and Hawey. In order to promote the Tesla electric car to the masses, the Americans cleaned the market from German cars by starting a “diesel scandal”. . The Americans, in order to promote their liquefied gas to the masses, declared sanctions to all participants in Nord Stream 2. In this regard, talking about the free market and the WTO or the EU are just intricate chatter.

[Yuri Kharitonov]

And there are no friends in the business.

[Dron_sk]

Buyers of American airplanes and air defense do not create such plagiarism, because they know that they will fall under sanctions and lawsuits, it will turn out to be more expensive. And the Chinese are not afraid of copying everything of ours, and then they try to grab a piece of the pie from those who endowed them with the same technologies ... Damn allies. Indians fingers bend. The S-400 Turks study and then use this knowledge against us in Syria. Ungrateful business is to sell weapons to such countries.

[Dzafdet]

Israel, israel. Only 560 per 120 km. and stink ... Put the Hurricanes division and close the question of flights forever. Gouging into the trash and all ...

[carnifexx]

This has never happened, and here it is again. Chinese friends praise their weapons and pour mud on Russian, fearing competition

[G. Georgiev]

YES ! S-300 and S-400 are ineffective. Russia is in Syria, not to protect its base, but to protect the state of Syria. I also urge Russia to buy Chinese air defense systems for its army. Unfortunately, this is a reality.