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Do you need this parade? And if needed, then when?

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Is a parade necessary in a pandemic?

Yes, it doesn’t matter when, but a parade is necessary - 58 (11.86%)
11.86%
It was necessary to spend May 9 - 142 (29.04%)
29.04%
You can spend June 24, when there was the first parade - 114 (23.31%)
23.31%
May be held on September 2 for the sake of health security - 27 (5.52%)
5.52%
No, in modern conditions the parade does not need to be held - 134 (27.4%)
27.4%
I don’t know, I didn’t decide - 14 (2.86%)
2.86%

We are all (or almost all) in anticipation. June 24 is declared the day of the Victory Parade, and in connection with this fact several questions arise.


On the one hand, it seems like the whole country is in an incomprehensible position of self-isolation, and even burdened in some cities by a mask regime. It’s funny to observe, by the way, how people frantically pull out of their pockets (mainly) these dirty rags, which used to be masks, before boarding a minibus. And clings to itself.

But now this is not about that. Now we are talking about figures and facts.

But the facts are such that the commander of the parade, that is, the person who directs the preparation and is responsible for holding the parade, the commander-in-chief of the ground forces, Army General Oleg Salyukov, voiced figures and plans in an interview with Red Star.

“Military parades will be held in 28 cities, including nine hero cities and 19 cities, where the headquarters of military districts, fleets, combined arms armies, the Caspian are deployed flotillaarmy corps.
In total, over 177 thousand military personnel and more than 4,5 thousand weapons and military equipment are involved in the festivities. ”

However, a week later, Defense Minister Shoigu announced slightly different figures at a board of the Ministry of Defense. This was written by the same “Red Star”, “Moskovsky Komsomolets” and many other publications.

And Shoigu coincided only with the number of cities where parades will be held. The number of participants has tripled.

“It is planned to attract 64 thousand people, 1 pieces of equipment and 850 aircraft. "About 511 thousand people will be involved in the parade on Red Square, including more than 14 pupils of pre-university educational institutions and Unarmeans."

And here the first question arises: which figure is correct? Why did the number of participants suddenly decrease?

The reason is this: nevertheless, the Ministry of Defense realized that such a quantity of personnel in ceremonial calculations would certainly and unequivocally provoke the very second wave of diseases that we were told about.

After all, 177 thousand people are actually one sixth of all the armed forces and one fifth of the ground forces. It's a lot. In case of infection - prohibitively much.

So the comrade defense minister decided to reduce the number of participants.

This is quite expected and quite logical. But here in Shoigu's quotes lies another inconsistency, which I consider necessary to voice.

"Only military personnel who are immune to the coronavirus COVID-19 or who do not have symptoms of an infectious disease will participate in the parade."

However, it is no longer a secret that COVID-19 may well pass without symptoms. This is a fact that cannot be turned away.

In the same speech, Shoigu announced the figure:
“... since the beginning of March, 6,5 thousand people have been infected in the armed forces”
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This is the first part, that is, those who have been ill. In fact, 10% of the declared amount. Everything is clear with them, I have no questions. The question is for the remaining 90%, in which no symptoms were found. How are they with them? Is the critical mass too high? And if there are at least a small number of infected people in these almost 60 people?

With immunity (with the exception of patients who have it really), everything is complicated. And it’s not entirely clear. Especially - with the army and cadets.

And with the number of ill. Given how we are dealing with honest coverage of the topic, the figure of 6,5 thousand people openly raises doubts.

Apparently, not just me.

Perhaps this is precisely why the head of the military-medical department of the Ministry of Defense Dmitry Trishkin said in his report that more than 2 thousand beds were reserved for participants in the parade in military hospitals. In Moscow.

Let me remind you that 14 people will take part in the parade in Moscow.

With the help of the most elementary calculations, it can be said that the Ministry of Defense and the Military Medical Department plan that every seventh will fall ill.

Not so bad ...

As far as one can understand, this is only in Moscow. That is, in the worst case scenario, every seventh of the participants will get sick.

Meanwhile, if you look at the statistics that are published daily, you can joyfully say that in Moscow there really is a certain decrease in the incidence.



But, for example, about Voronezh, where they also promised an unprecedented parade, you can’t say the same at all.


And here the third question arises: how will the parade be held?

The stands in which people will sit / stand staggered, wearing masks and gloves?

Ceremonial masks?

And really, here in our city a mask regime is declared. And in crowded places, they are required to wear masks.

Do you need this parade? And if needed, then when?

And the ceremonial calculation is an unsafe distance and everything else.

Or immediately in gas masks?


In any case, somehow everything looks strange. Especially in light of the extension of this strange regime. Somewhere it was extended until June 15, somewhere up to 21, and somewhere (in Novosibirsk) - up to 30.

Of course, you can take and declare that the coronavirus is defeated, self-isolation is removed, and parades are held as if nothing had happened. And announce this number that way on the 22nd. And all questions are removed.

But how much will it be right, truthful and justified?

Is it worth the parade, which may well give this new wave of disease, that? Having burnt yourself at completely incomprehensible events on May 9 with flights of planes somewhere above the city and fireworks somewhere outside the city, you start to look at all this from a slightly different angle.

In any case, we cannot compare with Belarusians. They had a parade, was held on May 9, honor and respect.


What do we have? Everything is strange and incomprehensible here. Is everything that was hitherto not so serious, and the parade must be held at all costs, or ...?

And how serious are you? And is he really needed now, this parade? When on one side of the scale the health of citizens (real), and on the other ... It is difficult to say what's on the other.

It is clear that to cancel this mode anyway. July 1 is just around the corner. Everything goes to him, but even for the sake of such a necessary event, it would be nice to think through everything well. So that it doesn’t come out as always.
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  1. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 6 June 2020 15: 08 New
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    Could and transfer to the next year, it is not critical. The air parade was quite enough. I watched last year’s parade on TV on May 9th.
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 6 June 2020 15: 23 New
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      Yes, what is the air parade without the symbols of Victory, only the tricolor was smoked incomprehensibly in honor of something. I mean Moscow. Lukashenko didn’t hide in the bunkers, well done!
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 6 June 2020 15: 34 New
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        Quote: Pilot
        Lukashenko didn’t hide in the bunkers, well done!

        This is Lukashenko.
        He quickly understands various opposition figures.
        And we would have hysterical for a very long time on the topic "Putin exposed the drug to mortal danger"
        1. Pilot
          Pilot 6 June 2020 15: 40 New
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          Quote: Spade
          Quote: Pilot
          Lukashenko didn’t hide in the bunkers, well done!

          This is Lukashenko.
          He quickly understands various opposition figures.
          And we would have hysterical for a very long time on the topic "Putin exposed the drug to mortal danger"

          Do you want to say that Putin May 9 from Navalny, Gozman and other Sables hid in the bunker? belay Silenus nullified)) wassat
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 6 June 2020 15: 43 New
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            Quote: Pilot
            Do you want to say that Putin May 9 from Navalny, Gozman and other Sables hid in the bunker? belay Silenus nullified))

            In which, damn it, bunker?
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 6 June 2020 15: 57 New
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              To be honest, May 9 has already passed - and in a sense, in anticipation of the Victory Parade in the Russian Federation, I have already "burned out" a little.
              In principle, I was mentally impressed by the magnificent 75th anniversary Victory Parade in R. Belarus.
              And the continuous military salute with numerous salvos and the sky that did not fade for 4 minutes from the fireworks in St. Petersburg also pleased me.
              We also remembered the dead relatives in WWII.

              But with coronavirus we will have to live for a long time - 2 years, no less.
              Therefore, as the local authorities decide - let it be so!
              I believe that in this regard and in such an important matter, the local authorities are more aware.

              In principle - in the political plan - the Victory Parade, of course, is needed. But it must be carried out, unambiguously, with minimal risks and losses.
              1. Matroskin
                Matroskin 6 June 2020 17: 33 New
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                Politically? Maybe just in terms of PR? What does the leadership of Russia have to do with the Victory of the Soviet Union, with a cowardly draped mausoleum, forgotten red banners, stars, a sickle and a hammer, thoughtlessly and shamelessly exchanged for new old tricolor flags, imperial eagles and St. George ribbons, commemorative medals of imperial mints, icons with images . They have no victories, except for enriching the Forbes list, and speculative nature suggests that it would be nice to use and monetize the memory of the people about the Victory.
                1. Alexga
                  Alexga 6 June 2020 18: 09 New
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                  It has its specific name - Hypocrisy. To create their new state on anti-Sovietism, to take the symbols of the Republic of Ingushetia, with which future winners mortally fought, To appropriate the Victory in the War, modestly forgetting what they were doing in 1991. This is the renaming of cities, this is the cemetery of the removed monuments in Gorky Park. And then laugh at x.ohl when they themselves did the same thing. And now it’s hard for a grandson to explain why the center of the Sverdlovsk region is a city called Yekaterinburg, ridiculous! Well, this is not my country, although my homeland.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 6 June 2020 18: 44 New
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                    Quote: Matroskin
                    Politically? Maybe just in terms of PR? What does the leadership of Russia have to do with the Victory of the Soviet Union, with a cowardly draped mausoleum, forgotten red banners, stars, a sickle and a hammer, thoughtlessly and shamelessly exchanged for new old tricolor flags, imperial eagles and St. George ribbons, commemorative medals of imperial mints, icons with images . They have no victories, except for enriching the Forbes list, and speculative nature suggests that it would be nice to use and monetize the memory of the people about the Victory.

                    First of all. The Russian Federation on the international debts of the USSR is the successor of the USSR. There is no getting anywhere.
                    Second. Let me remind you of one case.
                    Once under Yeltsin, when Luzhkov was mayor of Moscow and when the celebration of Victory Day in Russia under Yeltsin was banned, an unauthorized procession was organized on May 9 in Moscow with a rally in the center of Moscow, in which WWII veterans took part.
                    Riot police, during a march on the way to the rally site, drove the demonstrators into a fenced-in dead end and began to beat protesters. One of the veterans of the Second World War at the same time - from what he saw - died of a heart attack.

                    As a result of this, a political scandal arose in the Russian Federation, and Luzhkov was called to report on this incident to a meeting of the State Duma of the Russian Federation. And what did Luzhkov say in response to the indignation of the deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation?
                    Luzhkov laughed from the rostrum in the eyes of the deputies and said: “Why are you outraged ?! I’ll give it a PRIZE too! ”

                    And now, even though the Lenin Mausoleum is being draped, Victory Parades are being held in Moscow. This is a shift!
                    And for the rest, the time will come - and the people will figure it out with power! The main thing at the same time is that the Russians, as such, should not be lost to the Russians geopolitically.
                    I don’t have time for everything.
                    1. Revival
                      Revival 6 June 2020 19: 08 New
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                      True, life may not be enough for such "shifts", but this is a trifle, right?
                    2. Matroskin
                      Matroskin 6 June 2020 20: 23 New
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                      Tatiana, debt continuity is so ironic. The Victory Parade is not a shift, but, I repeat, speculation with a reformatting of the meaning thereof. "We are Russians! God is with us!" (Solovyov even has such a book), the fascist philosopher Ilyin, the year and the monument to Solzhenitsyn are the main paradigm of the state. propaganda. We are Americans! God with us! We are British! God with us! The Germans over there on the belt buckles used to love to write Gott mit uns too. It is so pleasant for people to believe in their own exclusivity, to blame external forces and not to like guest workers (ostarbeiters). To be honest, the prospects for the future of Russia are depressing, and most citizens do not know what fascism is and are confused.
                  2. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 6 June 2020 23: 34 New
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                    Who is Sverdlov and who is Catherine the Great? Dwarf compared to a giantess. And yes - cities should bear historical names, and not be renamed for market reasons. Therefore, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg and it would not hurt to return to Krasnodar the original name - Ekaterinodar.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 02: 11 New
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                      Quote: AS Ivanov.
                      and it would not hurt to return to Krasnodar the original name - Ekaterinodar.

                      Good. May the name Stalinogorsk be returned to our city. repeat
                      1. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 7 June 2020 04: 18 New
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                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        May the name Stalinogorsk be returned to our city.

                        I am for! I was born in Leningrad and have a medal. My grandparents were born in St. Petersburg. It is the city of my ancestors and mine. I am for the historical name hi
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 05: 12 New
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                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        I am for!

                        For Democrats, trousers will burst from exertion if the name Stalinogorsk is returned to the city. What kind of Stalinogorsk? Beaver ... laughing And my parents were born in Stalinogorsk. yes
                      3. tank64rus
                        tank64rus 8 June 2020 11: 41 New
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                        It is one thing to rename Volgograd to Stalingrad in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Victory!
                  3. Mikhail m
                    Mikhail m 12 June 2020 16: 18 New
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                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    May the name Stalinogorsk be returned to our city.

                    And why not Beaver, as it was originally? And Volgograd in Tsaritsyn, whom he was 400 years old? By the way, the name has nothing to do with kings.
                  4. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 12 June 2020 19: 58 New
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                    Quote: Mikhail M
                    And why not Beaver, as it was originally?

                    Name of Count Bobrinsky? No I do not want.
          2. Hagen
            Hagen 6 June 2020 20: 56 New
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            Quote: Matroskin
            What does the leadership of Russia have to do with the Victory of the Soviet Union, with the cowardly draped mausoleum, forgotten red banners

            Then tell me, what did the Red Army have to do with Suvorov and Kutuzov, whose orders were awarded in that war for special merits? Mausoleum draped? So today, the Communists are out of work. Another party in power. Leninists profiled their authority among the people, is it really not clear? Nevertheless, the country, even under the tricolor banner, is alive, and judging by the reaction of the world bourgeoisie, it is capable of causing him quite a bit of trouble.
            Quote: Matroskin
            They have no victories

            Well, it depends on how you look at it .... Maybe you just don't see something? And who is "they"? Didn't you and I choose them from among our fellow citizens and gave them power over themselves?
            1. Matroskin
              Matroskin 6 June 2020 22: 09 New
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              Quote: Hagen
              Then tell me what the Red Army had to do with Suvorov and Kutuzov.

              Under the command of Suvorov and Kutuzov, yesterday's peasants fought. The workers 'and peasants' Red Army is the full name.
              Quote: Hagen
              Leninists profiled their authority among the people, is it really not clear?

              I do not agree. I think very many do not agree with you.
              Quote: Hagen
              the country is still alive under the three-color banner

              Great diagnosis.
              Quote: Hagen
              Well this is how to look ....

              An urgent annual parade in honor of this.
              Quote: Hagen
              Didn’t we choose them from our fellow citizens and give them power over us?

              Not me. I do not like skinners and careerists.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 6 June 2020 22: 29 New
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                Quote: Matroskin
                Under the command of Suvorov and Kutuzov, yesterday's peasants fought.

                Today we are the direct heirs of those who fought in WWII. GDP is the father. Why are you denying his legacy? Because he renounced the CPSU? But the CPSU itself was very fluidly tackled. Who is to blame?
                Quote: Matroskin
                I do not agree. I think very many do not agree with you.

                The results of 1991 are proof of this. You speak only words, but the CPSU has lost power in practice. Who is right? I think not you ... What does it matter that you disagree? The weight of those "many" on which you rely, in the 2016 elections took 9,33%, in 2011 it was 19,19%. This is the diagnosis.
                Quote: Matroskin
                I do not like skinners and careerists.

                Obviously, "non-self-seekers" do not enjoy, except for you, the trust of other people.
                By the way, both Suvorov and Kutuzov, and many after them led the army under the three-color flag, and quite successfully defended the interests of feudal and capitalist imperial Russia.
                1. freddyk
                  freddyk 7 June 2020 00: 03 New
                  +9
                  . GDP is the father. Why are you denying his legacy? Because he renounced the CPSU?


                  IMHO, GDP did not renounce the CPSU, but the working people, to whom he swore an oath. And he also betrayed the work of his father.
                2. Hagen
                  Hagen 7 June 2020 06: 41 New
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                  Quote: freddyk
                  IMHO, the GDP was not denied by the CPSU, but by the working people, to whom he swore an oath

                  These are just your thoughts, immature, like a first grader .... You yourself, without realizing it, slide into the positions of traitors and our opponents. Yes, they are the ones who underlie any convenient pretext for putting pressure on Russia and, in particular, on GDP, not bothering with evidence, and speculating on the existing difficulties in the country. And you just sing along to them. No wonder they argue that if you can’t conquer a country, you must decompose it from the inside. Here are your statements - the fruit of this corruption. And most importantly - trying to depose the current government, you did not bother with the proposal to replace it. Indeed, why? They have already provided for this replacement, they just don’t show it to you. But if you pick up these current ones (it suddenly turns out), then they will expose the figures they need. Your opinion will not interest them. One thing is good, today it is unlikely that you will succeed. Behind you, there is nothing other than words in the kitchen and on the Internet. You will not go for real action either under the red flag or under the white ribbons. No abilities ...
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 02: 14 New
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                Quote: Hagen
                GDP is the father. Why are you denying his legacy? Because he renounced the CPSU?

                Who, GDP? Yes, he saved a membership card.
              3. Roman123567
                Roman123567 8 June 2020 14: 19 New
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                GDP is the father.
                Fig, this is a joke ..))
                Such fathers are at least deprived of parental rights .. but in a good way, they are imprisoned for mocking children ..
              4. Hagen
                Hagen 8 June 2020 15: 56 New
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                Quote: Roman123567
                GDP is the father.

                An annoying typo from a smartphone. It meant "VVP has a father participant ..." The wording of the phrase was crooked. Sorry ...
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 6 June 2020 22: 41 New
        +4
        where are the red banners forgotten? all the formations carry their banners with all the regalia and the names all remain. The Victory Banner is always the first to be delivered. have you ever looked at the parade normally ?! include last year's for example and see. Listen to the 2nd Guards Motorized Rifle Taman Order of the October Revolution, the Red Banner, the Order of Suvorov Division. The 4th Guards Tank Kantemirov Order of Lenin, the Red Banner Division. you are carrying some kind of nonsense ... everyone has red banners with sickles and hammers. nothing changed, neither the name nor the battle flags. how to endure them and endure every year !!!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 02: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: carstorm 11
          all have red banners with sickles and hammers.

          How is it?
        2. Matroskin
          Matroskin 7 June 2020 02: 36 New
          -1
          The monument to the worker and collective farmer is also in place and pavilions with the arms of the Union republics.
          Norilsk Mining and Metallurgical Combine of the Order of the October Revolution, Lenin and the Red Banner of Labor. How does this relate to reality?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 02: 57 New
            +4
            Quote: Matroskin
            The monument to the worker and collective farmer is also in place and pavilions with the arms of the Union republics.

            So they are recognized as objects of cultural heritage. This is not the Moskva swimming pool. And not a monument to Dzerzhinsky.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 03: 48 New
              +2
              Oh, the minusers showed up again. laughing In the mid-90s, Komsomolskaya Pravda journalists got hooked, sat on the porch and began to collect money for the restoration of the Moskva swimming pool. The Cossacks threatened to beat them, and they shouted: "Yes, we collect for beer ..."
      3. Siberia
        Siberia 7 June 2020 09: 44 New
        +2
        It's simple. Under the current conditions, this parade is just a way to "cling" to the victories of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers ... And, so to speak, to raise the feeling of patriotism of the people before the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation (which, by the way, the current government does not observe - although this is the main and basic country law). And since the current government has nothing to boast of any success (there are only some "pseudo-victories" - like the fact that our economy has felt the bottom or we have reached a plateau of coronavirus disease, etc.), it is only because of this that they are going to conduct this unnecessary parade. There is in the calendar the date of the parade, already familiar to everyone - May 9. Here is May 9, 2021 and spend it once this year did not work!
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 7 June 2020 08: 05 New
      +1
      But with coronavirus we will have to live for a long time - 2 years, no less.
      Therefore, as the local authorities decide - let it be so!
      I believe that in this regard and in such an important matter, the local authorities are more aware.
      And let's resolve local authorities do not remove the self-isolation regime at all (what an idiotic word), and we will "fight the coronavirus" for the rest of our lives (while selling masks to the people from our own mask factories, or leading the redistribution or destruction of entire industries). And people will get used to going to the store with a pass and walking three times a week on a schedule ........... beauty. And the Victory Parade ................. It is better not to hold the parade at all, you never know what, ...... War, epidemic, snowstorm, Space black holes ... (C).
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  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 6 June 2020 19: 30 New
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    Not "Wolfschanze" yet, but not over yet?
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  • olegactor
    olegactor 6 June 2020 17: 33 New
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    Do you want to say that Putin May 9 from Navalny, Gozman and other Sables hid in the bunker? belay Silenus nullified)) wassat


    it’s not clear from whom and where ... but a big tantrum with this cove ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 June 2020 18: 12 New
      0
      Quote: olegactor
      but a big tantrum with this cove ...

      Have you ever seen CoVi19 patients?
      1. Old partisan
        Old partisan 6 June 2020 18: 39 New
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        And you had to see patients with oncology at the last stage. And open-stage tuberculosis infarction stroke insects ????
        So you don’t need to scare people with a cove. Which is sick in the country less than 0,5% of the population.
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 June 2020 18: 50 New
          +9
          Quote: Old partisan
          And you had to see patients with oncology at the last stage. And open-stage tuberculosis infarction stroke insects ????

          Yes, I had to. Grandmother and mother died of oncology. Strokes and heart attacks, I saw the same thing, I have been living for a long time, everything happened in my relatives.
          And even "lucky" to see how people who completely deny CoVid begin to whine quietly, when in two days out of 30 people 5 fell ill and 9 had suspicion, they are waiting for test results, praying ... So that I have already seen a lot.
          Yes, I have already been diagnosed with antibodies, it seems that I had been ill with this scourge "asymptomatically", in quarantine, fortunately, the same patients were at the entrance
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 6 June 2020 19: 34 New
            +4
            Sorry, but then you have to understand ...
            Personally, I believe that covid is not a sentence yet. I have "burned out" from oncology for half a year, and my mother-in-law exactly FOR A MONTH! She was a physician and understood all those slippery phrases with which she was calmed. And covid ... In my understanding - pneumonia. From which tens of thousands die every year. But there is a chance. This is not cancer, not AIDS, not end-stage hepatitis ...
            1. svp67
              svp67 6 June 2020 20: 11 New
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              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              In my understanding - pneumonia.

              As I already understood, not quite, but often. This virus greatly exacerbates all the chronic diseases that you already have ... And it’s kind of strange ... He can choose one from the group that will be very sick, and the rest ????? In one organization, one employee and a person who came to them for clarification fell ill, and the remaining 12 - nothing ...
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              But there is a chance

              Everyone has a chance, even those who get cancer. Nevertheless, this virus is not a legend, it exists, and as I understand it, he began his journey in our world before it was discovered in Wuhan. In that year, starting in the summer, there was so much pneumonia, especially among children and the elderly ... if not when.
          2. nerd.su
            nerd.su 6 June 2020 20: 36 New
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            Quote: svp67
            how people completely denying CoVid begin to whimper quietly when in two days out of 30 people 5 got sick and 9 had suspicion

            But do not deny it. You need to understand that he is and in severe form it is scary to get sick. But since there are asymptomatic patients, it is no worse than the flu. The plague also has an asymptomatic form, but from it a person without any symptoms in three days turns from living to dead. And when a huge number of asymptomatic or mild colds, and mortality less than 1%, then this is not an epidemic even ...
        2. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 7 June 2020 04: 23 New
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          Quote: Old partisan
          And you had to see patients with oncology at the last stage. And open-stage tuberculosis infarction stroke insects ????

          I have two heart attacks. Mother-in-law died of a third. wife's sister from oncology at 54. What's next?
      2. olegactor
        olegactor 7 June 2020 10: 34 New
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        Have you ever seen CoVi19 patients?

        Now I live in the Kuban in Novorossiysk and count up .... I haven’t seen one ... and the city infection is half empty .... in November-December 2019 there were several times more flu patients ... but this insanity was not
        1. svp67
          svp67 7 June 2020 11: 25 New
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          Quote: olegactor
          Now I live in the Kuban in Novorossiysk and estimate .... I have not seen one ... and the city infection is half empty ....

          Judging by the general statistics, there are only 70 cases recorded there ... Rejoice. And in our country only every day, within two and a half, three hundred is registered, it has come to the point that if earlier patients from the whole region were taken to Burg, now on the contrary, patients from Burg are taken to district clinics ...
          1. olegactor
            olegactor 7 June 2020 13: 34 New
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            Judging by the general statistics, there are only 70 cases recorded there ... Rejoice. And in our country only every day, within two and a half, three hundred is registered, it has come to the point that if earlier patients from the whole region were taken to Burg, now on the contrary, patients from Burg are taken to district clinics ...

            and cho now all like dogs in masks and at home ..... there are even mattresses already in crowds running around the streets
            1. svp67
              svp67 7 June 2020 14: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: olegactor
              and cho now all like dogs in masks

              And NOT WHAT ... you don’t want to be a dog in the muzzle, don’t be him, but consider yourself a person responsible not only for yourself, but also for those around you who may not have the same level of health as you and don’t want to let others down , the same simple store workers, then there’s nothing complicated to have a medical mask with you
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  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 6 June 2020 16: 01 New
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    Quote: Spade
    And we would have hysterical for a very long time on the topic "Putin exposed the drug to mortal danger"

    Worse than everyone did, it's hard to come up with. In absolute terms, third place. For the sick, 100.000 have already overtaken the Germans, the French, and we will definitely overtake the Italians. Not unambiguously, but most likely the Spaniards and possibly the British.
    And the question. And whom and from whom did they insulate the cancellation of the parade? Soldiers? And they do not live in our barracks? And in five-star hotels? In the rooms, where is 1 soldier’s pug 100 squares each? And the distance from door to door is 20 meters? And they do not get into operation from the beginning of April? And go for breakfast / dinner alone? Or does the parade traditionally end with a massive soldier sweep, with people kissing the gums?
    The cancellation of the parade is a dirty PR. Putin does not sleep, Putin cares about the people and the army. Already caviar in the throat with a stake rises, at the guarantor, from the worries for the daraghs scattered.
    1. gurzuf
      gurzuf 6 June 2020 16: 35 New
      -2
      So we "overtook the Germans, French, and unambiguously Italians" in terms of population.
      1. Revival
        Revival 6 June 2020 19: 11 New
        +1
        You probably didn’t "notice" in Lannan Shi’s comment about “100.000 cases”.
        Or just wrote just what to write?
        1. gurzuf
          gurzuf 6 June 2020 21: 02 New
          +2
          Any number of sick people is not good. It's even worse when they make some kind of championship out of it and at the same time distribute it to the "prize" places. And about 100.000, I want to note that if our people followed the recommendations of doctors at least in terms of protecting only themselves, I think that this figure would not be so frightening.
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 6 June 2020 17: 54 New
      -23
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Already caviar in the throat gets a stake ...

      You? Well, alright, even if it’s not, a disease, but here what exactly is a stake - for some reason I readily believe wink

      I don’t comment on other nonsense - behind his dense nonsense, illiteracy request
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 7 June 2020 04: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Well, okay, even if it’s not, it’s a disease, but here’s what exactly is a stake - for some reason I willingly believe

        I've always been interested recourse Is this partner stuck or is your throat blocked? what
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 6 June 2020 18: 11 New
      +4
      Pity your finger, from which you suck your canoe. Dry to hell. winked
    4. svp67
      svp67 6 June 2020 18: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      And whom and from whom did they insulate the cancellation of the parade? Soldiers?

      Did it ever occur to you that they are people, and that they are also susceptible to this disease, and that by May 9, 2020, it would not have been possible to maintain the composition of the "boxes" that had been training for so many days? And what kind of parade would it be?
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 6 June 2020 19: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        by May 9, 2020 it would not have been possible to keep that composition of the "boxes"

        Again. Where do the soldiers live during the service? In the barracks? Or in mansions, strictly one by one? Where do they eat? In canteens? Or in separate rooms of the restaurant? How do they move? Are we building? Or at a "socially safe distance"? Contacts in those same boxes are no closer than during a regular service. Or are you confusing the Russian army with the Makhnovist gang? And do you think that instead of passing in separate boxes a crowd of anarchists will tumble down, in which horses, people and penguins will mix?
        You either remove the cross, and dissolve the army home, for self-isolation, or put on your pants, and do not invent nonsense. The fact that during the parade, fighters of different units will be, from some sort of a fright, in one unorganized heap.
        The cancellation of the parade is commonplace for the Russian government imburde. Not bearing any semantic load. Except how to show that very activity. But the fact that for the sake of this very embargo on Victory Day was abused ... Vile.
        PS
        Although I did not serve, due to the fact that the girls were not being called up, I get the impression that at least a quarter of the writers here were bought by the military on sale. For in all seriousness, to argue that living in the barracks, walking in line, and eating in the dining room resting on the elbow of a neighbor is extremely anti-virus, and going through exactly the same system that they get up several times a day is a direct road to a pandemic ... Here either served solely in their own fantasies, or a complete lack of conceptual thinking.
        Dixi
        1. svp67
          svp67 6 June 2020 20: 20 New
          14
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Where do soldiers live during the service?

          In different ways, conscripts in barracks, contract soldiers in service dormitories and ordinary houses
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          The cancellation of the parade is commonplace for the Russian government imburde.

          A forced measure, in connection with the occurrence of foci of the disease among the participants in the parade.
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          and do not invent nonsense.

          You have BAD in your head. Do you know where they live in preparation for the parade? Where do they eat? You don’t even know that our army is already almost half CONTRACT and that among the participants in the parade there are many officers who are students of the Academies, and not just ordinary and sergeant personnel, and they must also study, in addition to shagistics, and this means contacting with teachers
          It is now full of rapid tests and laboratories have opened a lot, but at the time of preparation this was in short supply. And even now, in the event of a focus of the disease, the entire unit is immediately isolated, and then they begin checking who is sick, who is already ill, who is at risk ...
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Although I didn’t serve

          That is why "fuck up" BOTH ... Do not meddle in those questions in which you do not have a complete idea.
        2. gurzuf
          gurzuf 6 June 2020 21: 14 New
          +3
          I'm sorry! Doesn't the parade on K. square provide for a gathering of spectators (who do not live in barracks and who are not under the control of officers, foremen and a medical battalion) or should it be held in front of "empty stands?
        3. Andrey K
          Andrey K 7 June 2020 10: 35 New
          +7
          This is what you swung: both the pandemic, and the abomination of the "outrage", and the Russian authorities have managed to hack ...
          They walked up to the heap with a dirty boot to colleagues: they had no idea and served in fantasies ...
          Madame, I agree that many did not serve and have no idea about combat training, but many of the colleagues present pulled the strap ...
          You, a being absolutely far from the army service, manage to talk about how you live in the barracks, how your elbows rest against the dining room (you've seen enough films from the Soviet past), well, in the sense of those who did not have time to sell the military, well, those whom you call "soldier's pugs "...
          But wouldn’t you go to teach your own kind in a solarium or where else ...
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 7 June 2020 13: 36 New
            +4
            Quote: Andrey K
            This is what you swung: both the pandemic, and the abomination of the "outrage", and the Russian authorities have managed to hack ...
            They walked up to the heap with a dirty boot to colleagues: they had no idea and served in fantasies ...

            So this, more "flowers" winked judging by the posts, this married couple of Ukrainian journalists still has a set of favorite terms, expressions and verbal turns in order to curtail dissent, like am :
            ...- Russia - the gas station of the civilized world! And even then - second-rate! Look at Qatar, the UAE and Saudi Arabia !;
            -Inflation!;
            -This can only be in Russia !;
            -All the best minds of Russia have long left it or are already going to !;
            -We must realize our criminal past in order to calmly go into the future ...;
            -It would be better to give this money to pensioners, teachers and doctors;
            - "Normal countries" ...
        4. Mouse
          Mouse 7 June 2020 10: 59 New
          +4
          Disgustingly

          Vile to read your comments ...
          The site administration policy is not clear ...
          The more such riffraffers, the higher the rating? recourse And as a result denyuzhkov, as you know, they do not smell ...
        5. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 7 June 2020 19: 16 New
          -4
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Although I didn’t serve, due to the fact that the girls weren’t being called up, I get the impression that at least a quarter of the writers wrote here, the soldiers got on sale

          They won’t even sell it to you there. I repeat: stop flogging nonsense.

          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Where do soldiers live during the service? Where do they eat? How do they get around?

          Life in the location of the treble and away (at the rehearsal of the parade, for example) - are very different. I mean - at times, and whenever possible control over personnel (including his precious health), and if possible correctly, without a crowd, organize food ... about showers and personal hygiene, I just keep quiet ... for obviousness, for those who soldier didn’t, but honestly earned.

          Quote: Lannan Shi
          and to pass in exactly the same order that they get up several times a day is a direct road to a pandemic ...

          The funny thing is that during rehearsals - they don't "get up several times a day" in this system, they actually live in it. With short breaks for sleep and meals ... feel the difference wink

          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Here either served solely in their own fantasies, or a complete lack of conceptual thinking

          Yeah, so where am I, for example - who served, with the two higher ones, who is working now (quite successfully) - before the young emancipate, a specialist in jerking, who spits bile here in all directions ... there, of course, structurally-conceptual thinking - on height just out of reach laughing
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 6 June 2020 19: 21 New
        -6
        Quote: svp67
        And what kind of parade would it be?

        No sooner had they announced the Victory Parade and the Immortal Regiment, when "our" liberals immediately revived. And, of course, now there is an opportunity to belittle our Victory not once a year, but several times.

        So, with a new force, this choir of dirty boys (in the photo not all), with sing-alongs on sites ...
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 6 June 2020 22: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Terenin
          dirty boys choir

          Judging by the number of cons, this whole choir ... grazes here winked
        2. kot28.ru
          kot28.ru 7 June 2020 14: 09 New
          -1
          In the photo, candidates for the construction of a bridge to Yakutsk ??? wink
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 7 June 2020 15: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: kot28.ru
            In the photo, candidates for the construction of a bridge to Yakutsk ??? wink

            Preferably, on its lower structures ...
    5. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 6 June 2020 19: 37 New
      +2
      Interesting ... I used to be with you in "counter", but now I recognize sound thoughts and conclusions. Did you change or me?)
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 6 June 2020 22: 41 New
        +8
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Did you change this or me?)

        hi
        God works in mysterious ways
    6. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 June 2020 19: 37 New
      +7
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      already ahead of the Germans, the French, and definitely overtake the Italians.

      Eat a cap if not overtaken? laughing
      By the way, lying is not good, the French are not overtaken.
    7. svp67
      svp67 6 June 2020 20: 38 New
      13
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Worse than everyone did, it's hard to come up with.

      Judging by the USA and Brazil - CAN
    8. DVR
      DVR 6 June 2020 22: 30 New
      +6
      Worse than everyone did, it's hard to come up with. In absolute terms, third place. For the sick, 100.000 have already overtaken the Germans, the French, and we will definitely overtake the Italians.

      Of course, the death rate from COVID, and in absolute terms including What did you keep silent about these numbers in comparison with the countries you mentioned?
    9. aviator6768
      aviator6768 6 June 2020 23: 43 New
      -9
      Who are you talking about "soldiers"? Many people think about tin toys (others simply DID NOT SEE) .... On the topic - in 41, millions died and held a parade, but here they were afraid of the Sobyanins ... I repeat - Old Man is beautiful! Ours is a weakling!
    10. your1970
      your1970 7 June 2020 00: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      And the question. And whom and from whom did they insulate the cancellation of the parade? Soldiers?
      and on Friday the chief epidemiologist of Sweden blurted out - that it turns out they went WRONG way and that it was necessary to isolate itself, like the rest of Europe. Now the pen will wash and okay ....
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 6 June 2020 22: 31 New
    -1
    Quote: Spade
    And we would have hysterical for a very long time on the topic "Putin exposed the drug to mortal danger"

    Lukashenko, Putin, Shoigu ... like little children, by God. You citizens take a look at what Gref and Peskov (not the same) do and all this liberalism is pro-Western with the formation of our children. And also open your eyes and finally get stupid, because the law on the UNIVERSAL REGISTER was adopted. That is, there will not be Vasya Pupkins, Ivanov Sidorovs, but there will be numbers, as in Auschwitz. And all this information database, for all of us, given the current realities, any bandit, prince, etc. can get in the passage for 30 pieces of silver.
    I’m sitting here about Putin and the Parade ... GUYS WAKE UP!
    1. aviator6768
      aviator6768 6 June 2020 23: 45 New
      -6
      Dear friend, it will be necessary - "we will replay everything" (as the Transfigurations used to say the next morning after Catherine's enthronement) ... In 17, NOBODY stopped, no one ... Let them sit in the palaces and shake, we have nothing to fear .. ...
    2. your1970
      your1970 7 June 2020 00: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      UNIVERSAL REGISTER. That is, there will not be Vasya Pupkins, Ivanov Sidorovs, but there will be numbers, as in Auschwitz. And all this information database, for all of us, given the current realities, any bandit, prince, etc. can get in the passage for 30 pieces of silver.
      I’m sitting here about Putin and the Parade ... GUYS WAKE UP!

      - I often visit citizens at work. I come to the address - he is not there, the neighbors say "but he has not lived here for 10 years." I am writing a request to the police - the police replies that he is registered at this address. And that's it .....
      No one can say now - where is the person .... is he alive or long ago dead ... no one at all ...
      In my opinion - this is very scary ....
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 June 2020 16: 58 New
    -4
    Quote: Pilot
    Lukashenko didn’t hide in the bunkers, well done!

    Do not specify the number of cases per 1000 inhabitants of this young man?
    1. Pilot
      Pilot 6 June 2020 17: 11 New
      -1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Quote: Pilot
      Lukashenko didn’t hide in the bunkers, well done!

      Do not specify the number of cases per 1000 inhabitants of this young man?

      Did Yandex and Google leave you for self-isolation from you, or has it already passed away from the crown?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 6 June 2020 17: 43 New
        -4
        because he asked that you are talking nonsense, maybe you just don’t know the data and the fact that in Belarus the situation with the virus is about two times worse than in the Russian Federation?
        1. SaLaR
          SaLaR 6 June 2020 18: 07 New
          -3
          which is not enough there .. only in TWO .. write at 20 or even at 30 .... as Goebels said, the more nonsense the more they believe in him
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 June 2020 19: 00 New
            -7
            learn how to count and then you’ll be clever, count on 100 thousand people and you’ll see, but stupidly compare the sick, provided that in Belarus lives half as much idiocy than in Moscow
            1. SaLaR
              SaLaR 6 June 2020 19: 06 New
              -15
              Holy Coronovirus poooooooo .....))))
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 6 June 2020 19: 25 New
                +5
                God forbid that your loved ones are not hurt, because you will not cringe, but cry
                1. SaLaR
                  SaLaR 6 June 2020 19: 27 New
                  -8
                  everyone lives a normal life ... they don’t hide in bunkers
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 6 June 2020 19: 42 New
                +6
                Quote: SaLaR
                Holy Coronovirus poooooooo .....))))

                What, it was considered, but the spirit is not enough to admit a mistake?
        2. nerd.su
          nerd.su 6 June 2020 21: 59 New
          +4
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          in Belarus, the situation with the virus is about two times worse than in the Russian Federation

          Well, in Belarus the population density is 5,6 times higher than in Russia. In Moscow, the population density is 305 times higher than in the Perm Territory, and the situation with coronovirus is 19 times worse. This is despite the fact that the declared restrictive measures in Moscow are steeper. And in Belarus, there are almost no restrictions and the population density is 5 times higher, and the situation is only two times worse. And mortality, by the way, in Belarus is 2 times less than ours.
          So do not scare us with numbers here, we ourselves can count. We screwed up in assessing the situation and in vain burdened the economy.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 6 June 2020 22: 21 New
            -1
            Quote: bot.su
            Well, in Belarus the population density is 5,6 times higher than in Russia. In Moscow, the population density is 305 times higher than in the Perm Territory,

            the population density of Moscow is 100 times higher than in Belarus, let's compare Belarus with Moscow
            Quote: bot.su
            . And mortality, by the way, in Belarus is 2 times less than ours.

            excuse me, but the mortality figures are easy for everyone to say left, the real mortality can be found out either at the end or you need to consider it completely differently besides in the Russian Federation 12 lyam tests are done and in Belarus 600 thousand
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 7 June 2020 09: 11 New
              -4
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              the population density of Moscow is 100 times higher than in Belarus, let's compare Belarus with Moscow

              It is necessary to compare equal units. The population density of Minsk is higher than the population density in Moscow. So they need to be compared. I didn’t find statistics on Minsk on the fly, but, let’s say, Minsk is half of all cases from Belarus. Then the situation in Minsk is again better than in Moscow. Well, whatever one may say, Lukashenko made the right decision.

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Sorry, but the numbers of lethality are softly speaking for everyone on the left,

              Well, they are not left, they are not final. But so far this is the case.
              There is a question of confidence in statistics. But for now, we use what we have, otherwise what can we talk about ?. More or less real data will not be earlier than in a year, if we recall this dispute then, it will be possible to resume ...
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 7 June 2020 10: 22 New
                +3
                Quote: bot.su
                Minsk population density higher than population density in Moscow

                not significantly 4800 and 5400 but at the same time a significant difference in numbers is almost six times without eight
                Quote: bot.su
                Minsk is half of all cases from Belarus. Then the situation in Minsk is again better than in Moscow.

                why don’t you take into account the number of samples, because you can don’t check at all and then there will be ZERO incidence
                Quote: bot.su
                Well, they are not left, they are not final

                truth for the sake of the left, mortality is considered based on the number of patients on the day of death, but it is necessary on the day of illness
                1. nerd.su
                  nerd.su 7 June 2020 11: 23 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  not significantly 4800 and 5400

                  Different sources call slightly different numbers, but the order is, yes. So what, which is insignificant. this does not refute the situation as a whole.

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  why don’t you take into account the number of samples, because you can don’t check at all and then there will be ZERO incidence

                  Let us not blame Belarusians for such a tough fraud. Now, if you round off, in Belarus 60 tests per 1000 people, we have 82 per thousand. This is in line with economic opportunities. We have large enterprises covering our shift workers with one hundred percent testing, and Moscow is not stingy. As a result, we have higher data on asymptomatic patients. For good, only pneumonia from the coronavirus should be considered.

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  truth for the sake of the left, mortality is considered based on the number of patients on the day of death, but it is necessary on the day of illness

                  Well, I think the current mortality rate.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 7 June 2020 12: 28 New
                    0
                    Quote: bot.su
                    Let us not blame Belarusians for such a tough fraud.

                    I don’t blame, I compare the numbers, only you are disingenuous again, you are averaging over the country and then let us already have tests in Moscow and Minsk and it turns out that oh, what a big difference
                    Quote: bot.su
                    Well, I think the current mortality rate.

                    since just not the current, the current one will be higher than the one shown
          2. your1970
            your1970 7 June 2020 00: 36 New
            -1
            Quote: bot.su
            We screwed up in assessing the situation and in vain burdened the economy.

            and on Friday the chief epidemiologist of Sweden blurted out - that it turns out they went WRONG the way and what it was necessary to isolate, like the rest of Europe. Now the pens will wash and okay .... they did not load the economy ....
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 7 June 2020 09: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: your1970
              and on Friday the chief epidemiologist of Sweden blurted out that they turned out to go the WRONG way and that they had to isolate themselves

              This is not the main Swedish epidemiologist blurted out, but the journalists made such headlines. To which the chief Swedish epidemiologist said that his words very distorted.
              1. your1970
                your1970 7 June 2020 15: 18 New
                -1
                Quote: bot.su
                This is not the main Swedish epidemiologist blurted out, but the journalists made such headlines.
                -Let's learn to express itself clearly ....
                “Immediately after the worldwide interview for Radio Sweden, Tegnell publicly denounced the misinterpretation of his words: in fact, saying that Sweden would have chosen something in between the rest of Europe and the current scenario if all the features of the disease were known in advance, he allegedly did not mean that the current strategy is bad and he admits mistakes. But, saying this in the neighborhood with the phrase that the Swedish strategy has the potential for improvement, it is not clear what interpretation he expected.
                His words and subsequent accusations of journalists of misinterpretation look as if he had blundered too much and is now getting out. Although, as many have already noted, he said earlier that his strategy is imperfect and there is always an opportunity to do better. In this light, his words seem to be a kind of a marker of honesty - after all, people who claim that they did everything in the best way are undoubtedly dissembling, if only for the reason that we do not yet know what will give the best final result. "
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 7 June 2020 10: 24 New
            -3
            Quote: bot.su
            We screwed up in assessing the situation and in vain burdened the economy.

            we screwed up the softness of measures, it was necessary toughly and immediately, the economic result would be either the same or less, but the virus would be orders of magnitude smaller, we let the virus creep in trying to save air travel and tourism, as a result, all this one collapsed but still and did not reach the result
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 7 June 2020 17: 25 New
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              we screwed up the softness of measures, it was necessary toughly and immediately, the result in the economy would be either the same or less

              Well, except that the borders are closed, and all returning to the quarantine barracks for a month. And that’s all, no mass self-isolation. And then people are the third month without a salary. Who is not lucky to work on a budget. Well, at least they began to slowly finish with this idiocy.

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              we let the creep crawl while trying to save air travel and tourism, as a result all of this all collapsed but still did not achieve a result

              Coronavirus is not a plague. A large incubation period, a huge number of asymptomatic patients and a mild form make tough measures poorly effective. Influenza in Russia is not treated with universal quarantine. For it is pointless. With Kovid the same story. He will not go anywhere and in the following years they will make a diagnosis of acute respiratory viral infections and no mass testing and universal self-isolation. Is that a crowd of masked idiots.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 7 June 2020 20: 02 New
                -1
                Quote: bot.su
                Well, maybe close the borders, and all returning to the quarantine barrack for a month. And that’s it, no mass isolation

                in the mind this is done
                Quote: bot.su
                Coronavirus is not a plague. A large incubation period, a huge number of asymptomatic patients and a mild form make tough measures poorly effective.

                still how effective 3 weeks for all who have arrived from abroad
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 6 June 2020 19: 48 New
        +8
        Quote: Pilot
        Yandex and Google have left you in isolation

        And from you?
        Belarus per 1 million population of 4593 cases, Russia - 2843 cases
    2. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 6 June 2020 20: 19 New
      +2
      If you believe the site of the University of Hopkins:
      belarus
      Incidence rate: 505,34 per 100,000 people
      There, however, per 100 incidence is considered
  • Ilya-spb
    Ilya-spb 6 June 2020 15: 23 New
    +4
    The parade should be held on June 24. On the 75th anniversary.

    A parade is needed. This is a memory. This is a union of people. The people need him.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 6 June 2020 15: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Ilya-spb
      The parade should be held on June 24. On the 75th anniversary.

      This is a parade in honor of the parade. If you couldn’t spend May 9, you should postpone it to next year. The Japanese and those moved to the 2021 Olympics, and huge amounts of money have already been spent on its preparation. The Olympic village, which is designed for more than 10 thousand athletes, can create the most problems. It was supposed to be converted into luxury apartments, many of which are already sold out. The owners were supposed to move there this year.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 June 2020 19: 30 New
        +7
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        This is a parade in honor of the parade.

        Quote: knn54
        This is our story, a tribute to millions of lives ...

        Our story, say? In our history, on the day of the declaration of unconditional surrender, soldiers of the Red Army saluted from all types of weapons. It is very correct to hold a festive salute on this day, thereby noting the glory of the Soviet soldier and weapons, paying tribute to a joyful event. A very popular event is the passage of the Immortal regiment. A parade of military equipment in Moscow, symbolizing (???) the military power of the country, can be timed to coincide with the parade on November 7, 1941, and the parade on June 24, 1945.
        The best tribute to the millions who died for the freedom of the motherland, for the happiness of the people is the exemplary content of war memorials and burials and the worthy life of their descendants. It is for this that our relatives fought and died.
        I see it like that.
    2. knn54
      knn54 6 June 2020 15: 36 New
      +7
      This is our story, a tribute to millions of lives ...
      Anniversary of the FIRST Victory Parade.
    3. iouris
      iouris 6 June 2020 15: 50 New
      -5
      Quote: Ilya-spb
      On the 75th anniversary.

      A tradition has already taken shape: a parade to mark the anniversary of the parade.
      Quote: Ilya-spb
      This is a union of people. The people need him.

      A parade is a demonstration of symbols (to the people, the unification of people ...). See for yourself.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 6 June 2020 22: 58 New
        0
        See for yourself.
        The military in the muzzles?
        1. iouris
          iouris 7 June 2020 11: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Gardamir
          The military in the muzzles?

          Not military, but symbols of victory.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 7 June 2020 12: 53 New
            -1
            Is the muzzle a symbol of victory?
            1. 72jora72
              72jora72 7 June 2020 15: 06 New
              0
              Is the muzzle a symbol of victory?
              and Sobyanin his prophet .....
  • Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 6 June 2020 15: 30 New
    -18
    Any attempt to discuss the need for a Parade is Vlasov's nonsense.
    1. The parade is an obligatory annual element of the life of the winning country!
    2. June 24 - though a forced, but a good choice, especially in the anniversary year.
    3. I propose to fully trust the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Shoigu in organizing the safe preparation and holding of the Parade.

    With Great Victory !!!
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 6 June 2020 15: 38 New
      12
      Quote: Valery Valery
      . The parade is an obligatory annual element of the life of the winning country!

      The country of the winner has not existed for 30 years. And the parades were held in the USSR in 1945, 1965, 1985 and 1990. Only 4 times. And now, parades are held every year.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 6 June 2020 15: 47 New
        -1
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        And now, parades are held every year.

        Because they refused the parades on November 7th.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 6 June 2020 17: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: Spade
          Because they refused the parades on November 7th.

          Who refused? Yolkin.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 6 June 2020 19: 49 New
            -6
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Who refused? Yolkin.

            The communists. The collapsed USSR.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 6 June 2020 20: 00 New
              -2
              Quote: Spade
              The communists. The collapsed USSR.

              Lopatov, but you were not a communist?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 6 June 2020 20: 01 New
                -1
                laughing
                Of course not.
                I eliminated the consequences of their decisions.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 6 June 2020 20: 04 New
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  I eliminated the consequences of their decisions.

                  What is it like? Can you explain?
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 6 June 2020 20: 11 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    What is it like? Can you explain?

                    He fought.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 6 June 2020 20: 13 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Spade
                      He fought.

                      Shovels, are you kidding me?
                    2. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 6 June 2020 20: 15 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Shovels, are you kidding me?

                      Who's talking about stupid warrant officers?

                      Do you really need so many brains to understand that wars in the post-Soviet space are the consequences of the collapse of the USSR. And not only in the post-Soviet

                      But the Communists ruined the USSR.
                    3. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 6 June 2020 20: 28 New
                      -5
                      Quote: Spade
                      war in the post-Soviet space, the consequences of the collapse of the USSR.

                      Chechnya Dudaev requested for the oil distillation at Euro prices. Our offended.
                    4. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 6 June 2020 20: 37 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Chechnya Dudaev requested for the oil distillation at Euro prices. Our offended.

                      Well, of course.
                      It has begun.
                      The communist Dudaev has nothing to do with it.
                    5. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 6 June 2020 20: 40 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Spade
                      The communist Dudaev has nothing to do with it.

                      Air Force General Dudaev.
                    6. Ruslan67
                      Ruslan67 7 June 2020 04: 33 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Mordvin 3

                      Air Force General Dudaev.

                      yes But the one who forgot about her rank with the smell of oil answered for everything am
                    7. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 05: 04 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      But the one who forgot about her rank with the smell of oil answered for everything

                      Dudayev wanted to pump oil at world prices. Our oligarchs did not understand this. Is he insolent? Figs would have brought in the troops to establish a "constitutional order". IMHO.
  • 210ox
    210ox 6 June 2020 20: 01 New
    +2
    So they had written on party cards .. But were they Communists?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 June 2020 20: 17 New
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      But were they communists?

      If they had party cards that party comrades did not select, definitely the Communists.
      1. Matroskin
        Matroskin 6 June 2020 20: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: 210ox
        But were they communists?

        If they had party cards that party comrades did not select, definitely the Communists.

        But were they bikers?
        If they had Harleys and black jackets, which their subculture comrades did not select, definitely bikers.
        Awesome logic! Reliable, damn it, like a Swiss watch.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 June 2020 08: 22 New
          +4
          Quote: Matroskin
          Awesome logic! Reliable, damn it, like a Swiss watch.

          Конечно.
          If the party comrades did not expel them from the party, then they considered them to be real communists. Who are you to deny this decision?
          1. Matroskin
            Matroskin 7 June 2020 16: 45 New
            -1
            Quote: Spade
            Who are you,

            So the classics from Ilf and Petrov drove up. Panikovsky’s arguments are also iron, as is your logic.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 7 June 2020 18: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: Matroskin
            So the classics from Ilf and Petrov drove up.

            What are you nodding at Ilf and Petrov?
            If party comrades did not deprive Yeltsin of a party membership card, then they considered him a communist. Fact? Reinforced concrete

            And you at least dodge, at least remember Fadeeva with Krylov, but it will remain a fact
          3. Matroskin
            Matroskin 8 June 2020 11: 48 New
            -1
            I repeat. You have a sick logic. If an officer or group thereof betrayed the homeland, are other officers and soldiers traitors? Smear one paint all. However, to justify your own, you are doing everything right.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 6 June 2020 23: 01 New
    +1
    definitely communists.
    How are you talking about the president
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 6 June 2020 23: 40 New
    -8
    Holding a parade in honor of the October Revolution, which split the country is a dubious action.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 6 June 2020 15: 41 New
    13
    Quote: Valery Valery
    2. June 24 - though a forced, but a good choice, especially in the anniversary year.

    Absolutely unsuccessful.
    Putin with a parade nobly burst, reinforced concrete fact.

    Already at the very beginning of the year, it became clear that it would not be possible to hold the celebrations at the declared level with the invitation of a bunch of guests. Neither May 9, nor June 24, nor September 3 (by the way, where does the universal humanity on September 2 come from in the article, maybe it is worth abandoning May 9 in favor of 8?

    After that, it was necessary to make a strong-willed decision - a safe parade.
    9 May
    With parade payments in quarantine, without spectators, without guests from abroad, without minors, without academy officers.
    Nothing terrible would have happened.

    But he began to stir up ... As a result, and "big event" will not come out. and on May 9 there was an embarrassment.
    1. aviator6768
      aviator6768 7 June 2020 16: 01 New
      0
      But he began to stir up ... As a result, and "big event" will not come out. and on May 9 there was an embarrassment. [/ quote]
      That's right, just not to "stir up", but - got scared .... IMHO, even the pension reform is a smaller drawdown of the image ...
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 7 June 2020 18: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: aviator6768
        That's right, just not "stir up", but - frightened

        laughing
        Why "scared"?
        What will happen if some Macron doesn’t come to Moscow?

        laughing laughing laughing
  • Overlock
    Overlock 6 June 2020 20: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: Valery Valery
    Any attempt to discuss the need for a Parade is Vlasov's nonsense.
    1. The parade is an obligatory annual element of the life of the winning country!
    2. June 24 - though a forced, but a good choice, especially in the anniversary year.
    3. I propose to fully trust the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Shoigu in organizing the safe preparation and holding of the Parade.

    With Great Victory !!!

    Kremlin plywood sheathe? Will you carry portraits of Stalin? Toasts for the CPSU (b) will you proclaim? And what would be the Victory without them!
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 6 June 2020 23: 43 New
      -10
      There would be victory without them. The people fought for their existence, for their land, for their wives of children and mothers. As, however, he fought in all the times of the existence of Russia.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 7 June 2020 09: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        There would be victory without them.

        it's funny.
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        The people fought for their existence, for their land, for their wives of children and mothers.

        people without ideology, organization, just a crowd. Remember the first years of the war, there is no organization and all defeat
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 7 June 2020 11: 09 New
          +5
          The initial period of the war, just went on with the dominance of ideology. Only later did they guess to appeal to the patriotic feelings of the people. Remember Simonov's most powerful poem "Kill a Fascist" No ideology, no guiding role - kill a fascist, otherwise he will destroy your home, your family. This poem was more powerful than political chatter.
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  • Svarog
    Svarog 6 June 2020 16: 00 New
    +9
    Quote: Bashkirkhan
    Could carry over to the next year

    In general, the authorities demonstrate some kind of convulsive, not calculated actions that contradict each other. If the virus is not dangerous and is the same as the flu, then why isolation and other prohibitions? But we know that it is dangerous (we’ve been broadcasted for two months from all the irons) and many die, then another question arises, why do we need a parade?
    For the sake of the parade, which is also being held out of time, is the government ready to risk the lives of people?
    The absurdity, which lately has been increasingly being introduced by the authorities into everyday life, is just going through the roof ..
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 6 June 2020 23: 03 New
      -1
      For the sake of the parade, which is also being held out of time, is the government ready to risk the lives of people?
      But Putin’s regiment will go in a month
  • Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 6 June 2020 15: 14 New
    -1
    They spent in Belarus in due time, and there is no sharp increase - no matter how many prophesied. The neighbors marked the significant date with dignity. But our throwing by dates, numbers and the number of participants looks small.
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 6 June 2020 15: 25 New
      +6
      In Belarus, there could not have been any sharp increase in the incidence. Because they did not have any restrictive measures before and after that. No way the parade did not affect the epidemic process
      1. 210ox
        210ox 6 June 2020 18: 52 New
        +4
        I know the data for the Smolensk region and neighboring Vitebsk. They are very similar. Only in the Smolensk region the regime is tough, and in Vitebsk (Belarus) there are virtually no quarantine measures. Why?
        1. g_ae
          g_ae 6 June 2020 19: 15 New
          +4
          I went last week to Vitebsk. It seems people are already tired and spat on the coronovirus. The masks of the people are very few, in transport, in shops full of people, and Vitebsk was one of the epicenters. And today I was at Komarovka in Minsk, people like in pre-viral times, the saleswomen had chin masks, most of them without masks. Something like this.
        2. Oleg Zorin
          Oleg Zorin 6 June 2020 20: 27 New
          -2
          Data on the Vitebsk region, please. According to Smolenskaya I have
          1. g_ae
            g_ae 6 June 2020 21: 04 New
            +2
            Well, here offhand. Specially not looking. It’s possible here. Buy another search, they certainly will not hide there.
            https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.tut.by/amp/society/686355.html
            No, people get sick, and quite a lot. But at least I don't see any sense in "self-isolation". You have to live somehow. The vaccine does not shine in the foreseeable future, and whether it will be at all doubtful. At least corpses are not lying under the fences and the bones of the dog are not being smashed, as some people think.
            1. g_ae
              g_ae 6 June 2020 21: 37 New
              0
              In any case, at my plant in Minsk, all possible measures were taken back in March. Mask mode, sanitizers, remote control, if possible, extended work mode to reduce employee contacts, temperature measurement, set meals in containers, tracking contacts of sick people. A bunch of instructions and orders of signatures. Do you want to "self-isolate"? No problem. On vacation. Or at your own expense, please, no problem. What else?
              1. g_ae
                g_ae 6 June 2020 22: 22 New
                +4
                By the way, it's funny that in the "last dictatorship of Europe" the rights and freedoms of citizens were respected.
                And no one likes to admit mistakes.
                1. g_ae
                  g_ae 6 June 2020 23: 02 New
                  0
                  Oh, I can't resist! Hearing about trust or distrust in someone's data from a country where officials learn about an environmental disaster in controlled territory from social networks is at least funny. And so yes. They never lie so much as during elections, during the war, after fishing. Well, now during the "type" of epidemic.
          2. 210ox
            210ox 8 June 2020 07: 01 New
            0
            2900 sick. This is six days ago. I could be wrong, plus or minus 50 people. My brother works there as a doctor. This is quite a lot for a thousand people. There lives in the region somewhere 1 million 300 thousand. And here for example with in the Krasnodar Territory 4200 cases, but for 6 million people.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 June 2020 15: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Sergey-8848
      and no sharp increase - no,

      Very, very controversial.
      1. Oleg Zorin
        Oleg Zorin 6 June 2020 15: 55 New
        -1
        I will listen with interest
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 6 June 2020 15: 59 New
          +7
          Are you sure that Lukashenko admits his mistake, if there was a surge in incidence?
          Hahaha.
          1. Oleg Zorin
            Oleg Zorin 6 June 2020 16: 22 New
            +4
            Yes, I’ll laugh with you here.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 6 June 2020 17: 45 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            if a surge in incidence has taken place?

            We had a place to be.
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 6 June 2020 17: 02 New
      -1
      Quote: Sergey-8848
      They spent in Belarus in due time, and there is no sharp increase.

      What are you? !!
      still not?
      and in numbers poorly voiced?
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 6 June 2020 15: 15 New
    12
    Let's start with the fact that "a testicle is dear to Christ's day." That is, the parade should certainly have been held on May 9. Further, I'm honestly surprised that Roman believes in the virus scam. Restrictions were introduced to pick off their own affairs, some of them big, and some of them smaller, like Sobyanin's looting with masks and gloves. I'm just sure that not the longest time will pass, and this world scam will be revealed, though first you need to "invent" and sell a vaccine. Now, even with a fracture, they will be diagnosed with a "crown".
    1. depressant
      depressant 6 June 2020 16: 08 New
      -3
      Since the 90s, a great many films have been filmed about the virus. Hollywood scriptwriters catch any socio-political and scientific idea, and directors immediately display it on the screen. And not only in Hollywood. In particular, "Virus (2016)" directly begins with the words "... it is assumed that the Chinese authorities are hiding the truth, increased control is organized at the entrance to the country (USA) ..." And then about the quarantine that saves the population from the coronavirus. Is this not a scenario-tip to the American military to unleash a new type of war? Or on the part of US politicians, in order to declare China guilty a priori, making the culprit of the epidemic recognizable to the mass consciousness. After all, you can't catch the one who started by the hand. And what - to be exposed to the blow?
      I am for holding the parade on the 24th. Yes, it's dangerous. But in war as in war. Otherwise, it will look like a final surrender to the enemy, like our complete rout. In the mass consciousness.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 6 June 2020 16: 18 New
        +5
        Quote: depressant
        Yes, it's dangerous. But in war as in war.

        Lyudmila Yakovlevna. What's the danger? Well, just do arithmetic. Find the average mortality data in any of the countries over the past years and see now. The flu turned out to be very beneficial to the world community. This, like our sanctions, is a convenient and safe, and most importantly a profitable and timely trench. On this occasion I will add. For two jobs I had to visit the most "hot" places in terms of infection, I treated it as I am, skeptical. I am healthy, my wife is healthy, my colleagues are healthy. Which is what I wish for you.
        1. depressant
          depressant 6 June 2020 18: 21 New
          +3
          My colleague, I’m not so much about the danger of the virus, although he, I will insist, is dangerous, like any infection of this kind, but about the danger of refusing the parade. And so they stepped over on May 9, but it was necessary then. And the same thing can happen that the next year some kind of virus starts, is put off again, and the idea that this parade is not so obligatory, that it’s a whim that requires expenses, is better for medicines, etc. Meanwhile, any army, any people are strong in their traditions. Here I am talking about.
        2. your1970
          your1970 7 June 2020 00: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: lis-ik
          I am skeptical. I am healthy, my wife is healthy,
          -already wrote, a former colleague died. He was not sick with anything, 50 with a penny, burned out in a week from pneumonia ..

          "Russian peasant until the thunder breaks out, he does not cross himself" © I don’t remember whose
      2. DVR
        DVR 6 June 2020 22: 53 New
        +5
        Is this not a hint scenario for the American military to start a new type of war?

        I think that the same "center of influence" dictates to Hollywood what to shoot, and the military what to do.
        1. depressant
          depressant 6 June 2020 23: 31 New
          -1
          DVR, certainly it is. Neuro-linguistic programming of the population with the help of Hollywood, and the military - also an order. Both watch movies. Better to see once than hear a hundred times. The Russians in most of their films are disgusting. A potential adversary, namely us, should look like this only. So that on occasion there is no pity for us.
          1. DVR
            DVR 6 June 2020 23: 43 New
            +3
            The Russians in most of their films are disgusting.

            Quite right, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. And not only in films. It was these techniques that were used at one time to the residents of Serbia, now it is relevant to the residents of Donbass. All this rhetoric "Lugandonians", "Colorado" and so on is used to "dehumanize" the region, i.e. not people live there, they can be killed - there is nothing wrong with that. But what is there, if you dig, then not only Nazi Germany used such methods, here you can reach the slave owners. As they say, nothing in this world changes. Of course, the term "dehumanization" has a slightly different meaning, but in this context it is also used. In both meanings, these are very unsightly phenomena and processes.
  • Uh Neuhov
    Uh Neuhov 6 June 2020 15: 19 New
    -8
    The military is not for show. The army will be better invisible, but very effective in the conduct of hostilities. Cancel the parade altogether.
    1. tagil
      tagil 6 June 2020 15: 47 New
      +5
      The parade is not held for the parade. If I recall a bad memory, this is VICTORY PARADE.
      1. Matroskin
        Matroskin 6 June 2020 17: 43 New
        +5
        Victory Parade over whom? What would our Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army have done with the capitalist government and "responsible businessmen" in 1945?
        1. your1970
          your1970 7 June 2020 00: 49 New
          0
          Quote: Matroskin
          Victory Parade over whom? What would our Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army have done with the capitalist government and "responsible businessmen" in 1945?
          -A that did the Soviet army in 1991 with the collapsed Union? It all, without exception - changed the oath .....
          1. Matroskin
            Matroskin 7 June 2020 01: 45 New
            -5
            Oh yeah! The 90s must be remembered. Confusion and reeling. Danger of appearing in uniform on the street. Heated by the media hatred of the military. Slop public organizations from nowhere. Clashes in the Union republics. Sabotage and mess at the top.
        2. ZAV69
          ZAV69 7 June 2020 01: 43 New
          +1
          At 45, it would no longer be the Red Army but the Soviet Army. But the capitalist government and responsible businessmen in the year 45 ..... Nonsense is not necessary to write.
          1. Matroskin
            Matroskin 7 June 2020 01: 52 New
            -2
            What is nonsense from? But what happened to the governments and capitalists of eastern Europe? For the USSR, the main enemy was the capitalists, who now rule the country.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 02: 07 New
            -2
            Quote: ZAV69
            At 45, it would no longer be the Red Army but the Soviet Army.

            The Soviet Army (SA) is the official name of the main part of the Armed Forces of the USSR (except for the Navy, Civil Defense Forces, border and internal troops). Until February 25, 1946, it was called the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army (Red Army, Red Army).

            46th year, please note.
        3. tagil
          tagil 7 June 2020 07: 46 New
          +2
          Victory Parade of whom over whom?
          OVER ALIENS. I don’t see any reason to talk further.
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  • Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin 6 June 2020 15: 21 New
    -3
    In my opinion, on May 9, the main emphasis should be placed on the memory of the dead, participants in the war, and home front workers. The atmosphere of this day should cause frost on the skin from the realization of the size of the sacrifices suffered by our people. It will also be useful for raising the patriotic feelings of youth. But a military parade, as a symbol of the might of the army, I would have held on February 23 or June 12. And not only this year, but always. Maybe the Lord himself told us this year. I will read the pros and cons with interest
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 6 June 2020 15: 30 New
      +4
      It is better to celebrate the memory of the fallen on June 22, on the day the war begins - this is the day of sorrow. And May 9th is a celebration of the winners. Therefore - a parade and fireworks.
      1. Oleg Zorin
        Oleg Zorin 6 June 2020 15: 41 New
        -1
        There is a reason, but on June 22.06.1941, XNUMX all inconceivable (!) Victims were still ahead.
    2. kjhg
      kjhg 6 June 2020 16: 43 New
      +5
      Quote: Oleg Zorin
      But a military parade, as a symbol of the might of the army, I would have held on February 23

      There is some sense in this. Not in honor of victory in one war, although in the worst in our history, but a parade in honor of the defenders of the Fatherland. Accordingly, the theme of the parade should change. We must pay tribute to those who fell in other wars, victories, not forgetting about the losses. Although, perhaps, in February the parade will not look so spectacular, but these are trifles. And May 9 is a day of remembrance for veterans who died in battles of the Red Army, rear workers, etc. On this day, I consider it appropriate to march the Immortal Regiment with photographs of my relatives who participated in the Second World War.
      But we are all so used to the May 9 parades, so most of the population will be against it.
      Quote: Oleg Zorin
      or June 12

      In no case! This is a rainy day for our country - the day of the collapse of the USSR.
  • sagitch
    sagitch 6 June 2020 15: 23 New
    +4
    Everything is fine. According to the script, 45 years later, exactly 75 years later. The parade will lift your spirits and strengthen your immunity!
    1. Revival
      Revival 6 June 2020 18: 56 New
      -3
      Well then, I think, banners should also be thrown to the mausoleum since everything is so symbolic
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 6 June 2020 15: 23 New
    +3
    Personally, I already watched the parade. May 9 as it should be. And I have nothing to do with an extra day off to three without detention in June in the Russian Railways. In addition, there’s also a holiday of someone’s independence from someone.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 6 June 2020 15: 29 New
    +6
    The parade is held on June 24! Do not try to nail up Lenin's mausoleum with plywood! Zadolbali drape him ... This is also a symbol of Victory.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 6 June 2020 15: 59 New
      12
      Then the portrait of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief should be on the mausoleum of the story .. Comrade Stalin ..
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 6 June 2020 16: 56 New
        10
        Do not try to nail up Lenin's mausoleum with plywood! Zadolbali drape him ... This is also a symbol of Victory.
        Quote: paul3390
        Then the portrait of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief should be on the mausoleum of the story .. Comrade Stalin ..

        Your suggestions for the current oligarchic regime are comparable to revolutionary calls. Think for yourself how they can allow the memory of the rulers who devoted their whole life to the struggle against bourgeoisie such as the current government?
      2. 210ox
        210ox 6 June 2020 16: 57 New
        +8
        And why not hang portraits of Stalin, marshals, the commander of the fronts ..
        1. Alf
          Alf 6 June 2020 17: 52 New
          +9
          Quote: 210ox
          And why not hang portraits of Stalin, marshals, the commander of the fronts ..

          Then the stars will have to be returned to the towers, and the flag is red, and the coat of arms. And this is for the ruling authorities as a sickle on a pager.
      3. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 6 June 2020 17: 15 New
        +4
        Portrait of Stalin will look good good
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 6 June 2020 17: 41 New
          +6
          And so that passing troops would honor him ...
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 6 June 2020 20: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Tank jacket
          A portrait of Stalin will look good ...

          ... in the hands of Putin!
  • Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 6 June 2020 15: 30 New
    +5
    From the point of view of a soldier of military service, I would have walked in the front box on May 9th. I am 1,86 m tall, in full dress for May 1999, I was identified as the right-wing in the first line. But, canceled, and sent on a business trip to the North Caucasus. However, if I were 19-20 years old now, if I had been offered to go through the Red Square in a ceremonial box, I would have no doubt that despite the coronavirus I would have passed.
    But, from the father's point of view, having gone through the dashing 90s, serving in the Caucasus since '99, he would not have sent his son to this "batch". While he is undersized.
    I think it would be better to hold the parade in the first days of September, just the day of victory over Japan falls on the beginning of September, the 3rd ...
    Maybe this infection will subside
  • Asad
    Asad 6 June 2020 15: 45 New
    +5
    In Novosibirsk, the situation with the coronovirus is getting worse, it seems to me better to transfer, as they say, away from sin!
    1. 210ox
      210ox 6 June 2020 16: 59 New
      -2
      And in the Krasnodar Territory and around it, too, no glory to God. But the season is opened in half with sin. I think that by July 1, the coronovirus will be canceled .... Well, they were mistaken. It happens to everyone.. what
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 6 June 2020 17: 32 New
        +2
        Kondratyev extended measures until June 21
        1. 210ox
          210ox 6 June 2020 17: 58 New
          -1
          Yes, I know, no worse than yours. Because I live there.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 6 June 2020 18: 25 New
            +2
            Near the Legislative Assembly or across from Belini? laughing Just kidding, in fact, I myself will learn everything from the Internet))
            1. 210ox
              210ox 6 June 2020 18: 34 New
              -2
              Yes, in the village, in White Clay.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 6 June 2020 18: 39 New
                +2
                I know where you live))
                An hour from Tikhoretsk
                1. DVR
                  DVR 6 June 2020 23: 01 New
                  +3
                  I know where you live))
                  An hour from Tikhoretsk

                  Oh, fellow countrymen, I work near Zhukov Square)
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 6 June 2020 23: 56 New
                    +3
                    Not the opposite? )))
                    1. DVR
                      DVR 6 June 2020 23: 59 New
                      +2
                      No, I'm not from the administration of the region)
      2. Azis
        Azis 6 June 2020 18: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        coronovirus will be canceled ...
        A good and capacious phrase expressing the whole essence of this pandemic.
  • Old partisan
    Old partisan 6 June 2020 15: 48 New
    +5
    Good spoon for dinner.
    Old Russian saying.
    You can hold a parade in honor of the end of Russian-Japanese 1905. Or victory over the Tatars on the occasion of the conquest of Kazan.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 6 June 2020 16: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Old partisan
      Or victory over the Tatars on the occasion of the conquest of Kazan.

      Yeah. Offer to spend more in Kazan. Then get Lyuley for Ivan the Terrible.
    2. Alf
      Alf 6 June 2020 17: 53 New
      +8
      Quote: Old partisan
      You can hold a parade in honor of the end of Russian-Japanese 1905. Or victory over the Tatars on the occasion of the conquest of Kazan.

      And best of all over the Polovtsy and Pechenegs ..
      1. 210ox
        210ox 6 June 2020 20: 15 New
        +2
        This is what I think. But we also won the Golden Horde in the end ... However, our leader kept silent about this. Probably not to offend these with transport at a rally in Kazan. By the way, the situation with the Islamic radicals is very tense in the Volga region.
      2. Oleg Zorin
        Oleg Zorin 6 June 2020 20: 36 New
        +1
        When will there be a parade in honor of the victory over the Sechenegs?
        1. Alf
          Alf 6 June 2020 21: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: Oleg Zorin
          When will there be a parade in honor of the victory over the Sechenegs?

          When the electorate has absolutely nothing to distract from the problems.
  • certero
    certero 6 June 2020 15: 48 New
    -3
    And I would like to see another parade. In which real combat units, which are ready right now to go into battle, will be held not in a ceremonial step, but in normal marching.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 6 June 2020 17: 33 New
      0
      Other traditions.
    2. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 7 June 2020 14: 38 New
      0
      You doubt that warriors minting a step on Red Square can fight ??? In vain. However, to each his own, and his own, not to everyone. hi
      1. certero
        certero 8 June 2020 04: 21 New
        0
        The military, minting a step, learned to mint it for several months instead of combat training. Given the fact that they now serve 1 year, this is too a waste of time.
  • Million
    Million 6 June 2020 15: 55 New
    +2
    Some emotions in the comments ...
    And if you think about it: this is the Victory Parade of the USSR State, which is no longer there, and the current state has not yet defeated anyone, except perhaps its own people ....
  • Wertgan
    Wertgan 6 June 2020 16: 05 New
    -4
    Elegantly and fully in the style of Roman Skomorokhov! Under the guise of reasoning about things connected with patriotism, ideas of national betrayal are presented.
    1. codetalker
      codetalker 6 June 2020 16: 39 New
      -10
      I used to think that the Russophobian segment on this resource is represented by some authors. I looked at the “vote” - I realized, also by many visitors.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 6 June 2020 18: 11 New
        +6
        What do you want. People live in the country and see what is happening. And this is not a Russophobic tendency, but an attempt at criticism, for by and large we cannot change anything. Legal methods. I personally want the parade to be held on May 9. This is the day with which the Victory is associated.
        1. codetalker
          codetalker 6 June 2020 18: 29 New
          -3
          There is criticism - it is useful, I welcome it. There are attempts to form an information basis for the destruction of my homeland, which are committed under any ideological sauce, including in the format of "patriotic righteous anger." Unfortunately, this article and many others on this portal belong to the second category. EVERY adult should be able to distinguish one from another (especially if he considers himself a patriot). For this, the people should not only see (we were all born with eyes), but also UNDERSTAND what they saw or what they showed him.
          The fact that a particular author publishes several Russophobic “booklets” per week was understandable before. Very upset by the results of the "vote".
          It became clear that a third of visitors do not understand anything.
          All those who pressed the button “the parade is not needed at all” do not even understand the basic principles of state and public administration. If you draw a parallel with mathematics, they do not know that 2 * 2 = 4. What do you think, if a third of the country's population does not know how to count and write and read, will such a country develop well?
          It remains to be hoped that the results of this “vote” do not reflect the real situation in the whole society.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 6 June 2020 18: 41 New
            +6
            A third of the population .. And let's not by article, but by our environment we will go through our close relatives and colleagues at work. Over the past two years, government support has fallen dramatically. We used to have EP members at work — even asked to vote accordingly. Now they are not visible and not heard. Sometimes they make excuses. In the technical department, where I work without exception, everything against Putin became. Why's that? From the fact that the country must have reached great heights. Will you call them Russophobes?
            1. codetalker
              codetalker 6 June 2020 19: 05 New
              -4
              If they believe that we do not need to hold a victory parade, they are Russophobes. The truth in reality. I don’t know what they have SPECIFIC claims to Putin, so I can’t tell you anything. About EP. Party officials sitting on the neck of Russia. And if earlier its dominance was conditional and necessary, now it is time for her to rest. Just something alternatives are not particularly visible. But this is a matter of time.
          2. DVR
            DVR 6 June 2020 23: 10 New
            +2
            They said very well, "in the top ten". Unfortunately, this is the reality. Even such illustrative examples as what happened in our neighbors do not teach anything. Nobody wants to think that as a result of the imbalance and demolition of the existing (far from perfect) political system, there will be an end to everything, complete and irreversible.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 6 June 2020 17: 06 New
      +9
      And I believe that patriotism should be brought up and signed by real deeds. What would people live in the country was comfortable. That people would be proud of their state. What is not observed now.
      1. kot28.ru
        kot28.ru 7 June 2020 14: 47 New
        +2
        Well, the fact that an economic and information war is being waged against Russia, do not you understand? Yes, there are enough thieves, like idiots. But this is not a reason to surrender the country to the mercy of the next "liberators", which the Europeans considered themselves to be during the Great Patriotic War. Then and now the scum are. I hope you are not one of those.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 8 June 2020 07: 12 New
          0
          Some kind of war is waged against our country all the time. When "hot", when "cold" as now. Of course, we will defend the country, each in his place. Unfortunately, it is not entirely clear how the youth will behave. I hope that in the right direction.
    3. Overlock
      Overlock 6 June 2020 20: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: WertGan
      Under the guise of reasoning about things connected with patriotism, ideas of national betrayal are presented.

      maybe a good idea?
  • Sgt.
    Sgt. 6 June 2020 16: 05 New
    11
    Putin needs a parade to raise the fallen rating. That's all
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 June 2020 16: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Sergeant
      Putin needs a parade to raise the fallen rating. That's all

      ??
      Then he would have to spend it on May 9th.
      Like a heroic Lukashenko.
      1. Sgt.
        Sgt. 6 June 2020 16: 15 New
        +4
        He is an elderly man and was afraid to become infected. He was not in a mask
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 6 June 2020 16: 48 New
          -2
          More likely, the GDP was either infected by the covid or was ill. Both Peskov and Mishustin - the people with whom he had close contact almost every day - became ill.
        2. Pilot
          Pilot 6 June 2020 16: 58 New
          +9
          Well, if the Supreme Commander is so shaking for his health, then the trouble is for the country. Lukashenko is 65 years old, also elderly already, but has a Faberge. Actually, it would not hurt to legislatively limit the president’s age, if you’re old then retire, you don’t refer to age here.
          1. kjhg
            kjhg 6 June 2020 18: 16 New
            +9
            Quote: Pilot
            Actually, it would not hurt to legislatively limit the president’s age, if you’re old then retire, you don’t refer to age here.

            After 60, 70, the human brain is clearly not getting any better. But who will introduce such restrictions if the majority of deputies are elderly people? And these restrictions, as we see, are easily removed for the sake of the political whims of the head of state. The Constitution of the country wrote in black and white that no one has the right to hold a presidential post for more than two terms. But Putin first added the word contract. Then he increased the presidential term from 4 to 6 years. And now, in general, he wrote down in the Constitution that he resets to zero. Thus, he completely devalued himself, and the Constitution, and all existing power. The global destructive value of this step for the fate of the country cannot be overestimated. Therefore, no restrictions in our country guarantee their implementation. The main limiter and guarantor of the authorities' observance of the law and common sense should be an active civil society, which at such moments should take to the streets and demand that the authorities comply with civilized norms of behavior, and not arrange clowning, as is happening now.
        3. 210ox
          210ox 6 June 2020 18: 04 New
          +5
          How old is he .... Well, by setting it came retirement age. Him. So it would not hurt to go fishing in Altai. With a naked torso. Demonstrate that in 70, a person can plow like .. a fisherman. With the subsequent introduction of pension legislation. what Oh, I’m chago .. I’m throwing an idea ..
      2. 210ox
        210ox 6 June 2020 17: 14 New
        +8
        Yes, he himself (Putin) does not know what to do. Starts to slowly move away from problems, shifting to other shoulders. Maybe this is right in a state with strong power and economy, but not with us. Even Tamp (the red-headed nonsense) was furious from the governors and, as the Commander-in-Chief, brought in an army to disperse the protesters. And this one hung everything on the weak governors. Look at the Uss of Krasnoyarsk, helplessly shaking hands, or at the Kondratyev-philologist, Klitschko bitten .. And people see this.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 6 June 2020 19: 55 New
          -1
          Quote: 210ox
          Yes, he himself (Putin) does not know what to do.

          He knows how.
          As soon as he stepped aside a little, the hysteria immediately began "why does not He rule the country"

          Finally, he began to do right, as befits the head of state.
          And immediately a bunch of jambs crawled out, because manual control of everything and all this in the long run is very bad
          It is enough to recall the scandalous payments to doctors.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 6 June 2020 20: 26 New
            +3
            Well, he himself created this system for twenty years. That subordinates look at him in the mouth or invent and change it under their Wishlist. In general, it infuriates me how many drones have bred around medicine and education.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 6 June 2020 20: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: 210ox
              In general, it infuriates me how many drones have bred around medicine and education.

              Only there?
              laughing

              Quote: 210ox
              Well, he himself created this system for twenty years.

              He is not a "builder", he is a "fireman"
              Therefore, he did not create a system; it itself developed with his connivance.
  • Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 6 June 2020 16: 12 New
    0
    Parade - YES !!! Pandemics - NO !!! - Everyone can understand in his own way. I am firmly convinced that this Parade is needed, although not a supporter of annual parades .... In 1941, the fascismovirus pandemic was much more dangerous than the coronovirus pandemic, but the parade took place. Some will propose a parade on November 7, I am against. Parade 1941 - parade of DEFENDERS, parade June 24, 1945 - parade of WINNERS. I am the heir to this victory, I am proud of those who went to battle from Red Square in 41 when the outcome of the war was not known, but I also remember who threw the standards of the defeated enemy to the ground in 45. That is why the world must remember how the wars end, and generations of Russians should remember, despite the tales from the pro-Western false historians who won this war.
  • Guazdilla
    Guazdilla 6 June 2020 16: 14 New
    -2
    No parades are necessary in principle.
    Victory Day is a celebration of peace. All conquered.
    A rare boxer will wave his hands after the fight, especially the one that won.
    The fact that immediately after the war they did not celebrate anything on May 9 is already talking about something.
    Of course, in a patriotic frenzy I want to fish in troubled waters, but our fathers and grandfathers did not give anyone any right to sell this sacred memory for them of the Victory.
    1. Vitaly Tsymbal
      Vitaly Tsymbal 6 June 2020 17: 07 New
      0
      Let's cancel ... then, under these words of yours, we’ll refuse altogether, and then someone from an alternative reality suddenly remembers that his distant ancestor was a Vlasovite or Bandera or a white Cossack model of 42 years old and that they fought not against Hitler, but against Stalin, and then parades
      "under the Banderovites" .... only then do not cry that your great-grandson will be afraid and silent in a rag (or in a pandemic mask) when the freaks will zig and beat the old people, for the fact that they will talk about their relatives defeating fascism 20 century ... Although if you are from Ukraine, then I can understand you, and if from Russia, then I feel sorry for you ...
      1. Guazdilla
        Guazdilla 6 June 2020 17: 28 New
        +1
        Old Horseradish just below wrote everything, about which I wanted. Our fathers and grandfathers then marched for their homeland, for Stalin. Although under the homeland everyone meant its own piece, but it fit into this general concept. Let us now give everyone the right to decide whether those concepts of the Motherland are laid out with the ideas that we have now and most importantly with its most “honored” representatives in the person of: Usmanov, Friedman, Vekselberg, Mikhelson, Khachaturov, Deripaska, Khan, Makhmudov , Gutseriev, Kerimov, Aven, Skoch, Iliev, Nisanov, Abramovich, Miller, etc.
        1. Vitaly Tsymbal
          Vitaly Tsymbal 6 June 2020 19: 27 New
          +2
          Who - who least of all needs this parade - is the "honored" representatives represented by such as: Usmanov, Fridman, Vekselberg, Mikhelson, Khachaturov, Deripaska, Khan, Makhmudov, Gutseriev, Kerimov, Aven, Skoch, Iliev, Nisanov, Abramovich , Miller, etc. They have only loot and profit in their heads - although they do not shout that the parade is not needed, they fully support you and all the "opponents" of the parades. I don't know where you live and how old you are, but I want to tell you about my first parade I saw. It was in Vladivostok in the early 60s, my father brought me to the embankment and showed me the ships, and the sailors and marines showed me disembarking with shooting. I was then about five or six years old and I saw that WE were the strongest warriors in the USSR, televisions were rare then ... Then I saw a lot about heroism in films, read in books about our military power, many of which were forgotten, and I still remember the first parade ... Parades are not needed by adults, parades are needed by the younger generation ...
          1. Guazdilla
            Guazdilla 6 June 2020 19: 41 New
            -3
            And the red flags were not observed?)))
          2. Guazdilla
            Guazdilla 6 June 2020 20: 07 New
            -1
            The above gentlemen are very important taxpayers. They don’t need parades, they don’t need them. The main thing is that the servants defend them bablishly. I am not against the parades, but only against when they are arranged out of topic. The new government has merits, so let it arrange something in honor of these achievements.
            Yes, and rightly then let him show his tricolor.
    2. DVR
      DVR 6 June 2020 23: 19 New
      +4
      but our fathers and grandfathers

      You don't speak for everyone. It is your fathers and grandfathers who consider the parade to be "trade in the sacred memory of Victory for them." And our fathers and grandfathers do not think so. Vlasov smells emanating from you.
  • alone
    alone 6 June 2020 16: 24 New
    +2
    Honestly, if you decide that the parade will take place, then it will take place.

    Two figures alarm me: 2000 beds and 800 Suvorovites .. Maybe all the same, at least these 800 teenagers were removed from the parade. It's a pity if someone picks up an infection
    1. 210ox
      210ox 6 June 2020 17: 20 New
      +3
      Quite right, decided and will hold. The question is different. We should not be proud of the parades alone. A wonderful and strong country economically and politically.
  • businessv
    businessv 6 June 2020 16: 29 New
    +3
    Everything goes to him, but even for the sake of such a necessary event, it would be nice to think through everything well. So that it doesn’t come out as always.
    But how do you think it all up? But Father thought it out, everything went perfectly. And then think, don’t think, and on May 9th they already noted, they watched the salutes, there will be a parade or not, IMHO it’s not important anymore - foreign guests are unlikely to come to him, but we have already seen and know everything. Another thing is that the first Victory Parade was held on June 24, this is not just an action, but a symbol, so maybe you should think about making it permanent that day, in order to somehow save face?
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf 6 June 2020 16: 37 New
    +1
    I believe that it is possible or not to carry out, medical specialists should decide. But if you can, then I - FOR.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 6 June 2020 16: 45 New
    +5
    On that day, June 24, another parade took place in 1945 ... Soviet soldiers threw banners of a defeated Nazi Germany to the Lenin Mausoleum ... But what is this parade like? ... A veneered masked mausoleum and great-grandchildren masked .... Of course, with health it’s not worth the risk .... you never know ... God forbid someone else sneezes ...
    1. gurzuf
      gurzuf 6 June 2020 20: 58 New
      0
      "Of course, health is not worth risking .... you never know ... God forbid someone else sneezes ..." These words would be heard by those who are now torn and have already come to rest in Crimea, Sochi, Anapa. But, I suppose you will not pay attention to them. It is not the power that drives them to the south by force.
  • Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin 6 June 2020 16: 46 New
    -1
    Quote: businessv
    the first Victory Parade was held on June 24, this is not just an action, but a symbol, so maybe you should think about making it permanent on this day

    I also like this idea more
  • peter1v
    peter1v 6 June 2020 16: 46 New
    +1
    KG / AM
    He worries about soldiers articulating in the fresh air. And the fact that they live in the barracks does not bother him. A typical adherent of the coronovirus, without convolutions, even from a cap. White ticket.
  • mark1
    mark1 6 June 2020 16: 50 New
    +3
    The parade on the 24th is needed, everything fits in, but by his previous actions Putin has driven himself into a situation where he will not go anywhere he will be "disapproved" even if money is thrown out of windows and vodka is poured at every corner.
    1. Harry cuper
      Harry cuper 6 June 2020 16: 56 New
      0
      And - personally! laughing
  • LeonidL
    LeonidL 6 June 2020 16: 50 New
    -3
    "It is clear that this regime will have to be canceled anyway. July 1 is not far off, as it were. Everything is moving towards it, but even for the sake of such a necessary event it would be nice to think over everything well. So that it does not work out as usual." - It’s good to think it over, or even better to voice something concrete, and not the usual throwing of a Russian intellectual. What exactly is needed and how is it needed? Any suggestions? By the way, the whole article has a vector - "do not carry out", well, as always, "doubts, unreliability, everyone lies ... everyone dies", "And with the number of people who have been ill. Considering how we deal with honest coverage of the topic, the figure is 6,5 thousand people are openly in doubt. " - The last statement of the author somehow very accurately correlates with the screams of the opposition, always screaming "everything is lost," and benefactors and well-wishers from beyond the hills.
    It seems to me personally that there is time before the date of the meeting and a balanced decision can be made on a specific situation. Moreover, the author does not take into account the fact that two new strong anticoid preparations have already been developed and will be used. Perhaps military doctors will be able to finish testing the vaccine. Then the vaccines can be done first of all to the participants of the parade. Doubts about the presence of the Cadets and Nakhimov’s (children and youths of school age) at the parade are well-founded; the parade can be held without them.
    I repeat once again - the article does not show either a clear position of the author "to carry out - not to carry out", nor does it give specific proposals on the topic "if carried out, then what to do in order to carry out without contamination", cancellation ".
  • Fungus
    Fungus 6 June 2020 16: 50 New
    -7
    A parade is definitely needed. We are waiting for June 24th.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 6 June 2020 16: 56 New
    +5
    Pomp with world leaders and our media, telling about the fact that "it was not possible to isolate Russia" - it did not work. The holiday also did not work out because of self-isolation. A shift to mid-summer - 10 days after the abolition of quarantine measures and most likely for a period of warm and sunny weather - is even more dubious from the point of view of publicity and expediency.
    It's hard to say which of all these decisions would be less stupid, we are really stuck between the circumstances and "should"
  • Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 6 June 2020 17: 00 New
    +8
    In the news every day on a bucket of slops to Ukraine and Belarus. There is a civil war in Donbass. Constant reports on tens of tons of gold that float to London. The oligarch Potanin, thanks to "effective leadership", staged an ecological catastrophe on a national scale. Residents of Norilsk after 21 thousand tons of diesel fuel hit the water bodies is not clear how they will survive. What damage is done to their health?
    Etc. Everyday.
    As for the parade: where is the Soviet Union that won this victory together with the United States and England? Where are the Soviet people who won this victory?
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 6 June 2020 17: 00 New
    +2
    Voted. Hit the majority. It seems reasonable to me. After the vote, somehow there is nothing to write.
  • A.TOR
    A.TOR 6 June 2020 17: 08 New
    +3
    The main thing is the life of people. Life, health and safety.
    No parade is worth the life of even one person, a veteran, just an adult or a child.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 6 June 2020 17: 18 New
    -1
    people need at least one positive event from the government ....
    1. Guazdilla
      Guazdilla 6 June 2020 18: 17 New
      +5
      Everything has already been crushed, privatized and monetized.
      The brands Moskovskaya, Stolichnaya, Krasny Oktyabr, Bolshevichka, Rot Front, etc. were sold.
      But most sacred, it is not for sale. It belongs to each one a little, the happiness of that Great Victory. Therefore, for you it will be packaged strictly according to the norm. Sit down in front of the TV or, who's luckier, take a seat near Red Square, but just immediately and immediately don't forget how to express your will.
  • Ether
    Ether 6 June 2020 18: 05 New
    +1
    Definitely for the parade. The only thing with the date is not clear, it cannot be transferred to the next year, they can come up with some kind of "horse flu".
  • yasvet
    yasvet 6 June 2020 18: 34 New
    -5
    Do not forget from which structure the USSR is the supreme, which means the transfer to June 24 was at least calculated, and the parade will be held with due diligence, albeit with a somewhat limited number of participants.

    And if you think about it: this is the Victory Parade of the USSR state, which is already gone,


    “Russia is both de jure and de facto the legal successor of the Soviet Union.” (C)
    And also the state-successor of the USSR.
    1. Old Horseradish
      Old Horseradish 6 June 2020 19: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: yasvet
      And also the state-successor of the USSR.


      Was there an oligarchic system in the USSR? Then you can write that the political bureau is the successors of the Imperial Romanov dynasty. You, logically, probably had a count.
  • Tomich3
    Tomich3 6 June 2020 18: 48 New
    +1
    May 9 is a day of remembrance, then everyone celebrated, and not by order of the authorities. May 9 is not a day of parades.
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 23: 10 New
      -3
      Quote: Tomic3
      May 9 is a day of remembrance,


      alas, this is not the point. For some reason, the parade has become a measure of the quality of the system. More precisely, one person, if you understand what / who I mean) The idiocy of loyalty, the endless search for the Master, the servile peeping into the mouth of power, the dull nostalgic murmur, the blunt blowing of steam into the whistle "let's arrange October 17th for you !!", and etc, etc. Such is the "spectacular" atmosphere Era ... Demanding to hold a parade .... Demanding the cancellation of the parade ... Pretentious hysteria, sarcastic mockery ... Patriots, cynics ...

      Memory, it turns out, needs pompous decorations, loud bravura music, jubilant extras, a loud response to "enemies", wiping the nose of an eventual adversary, and some other husk. Such is the brace.

      The memory you are talking about is something intimate. But - much more, it seems to me, than all these "march-march" in the squares, plywood Reichstag and churches of the whole army.

      Sorry, this is my opinion.
  • yasvet
    yasvet 6 June 2020 19: 38 New
    -2
    Was there an oligarchic system in the USSR? Then you can write that the political bureau is the successors of the Imperial Romanov dynasty. You, logically, probably had a count.

    The history of the state is necessary, if not to know, then at least to study, and not to distribute Coke from right to left)).
    Y. Vorontsov, Liaison Representative to the United Nations and the UN Security Council:
    "..... We have had a good cooperation with leading Western countries, and first of all with the United States. American lawyers suggested to us a very good legal option, according to which disputes about what belongs to the Russian Federation and what does not become They suggested that in our statement on the change of the country's name, as we said at the time, it should be indicated that the Russian Federation is the successor of the Soviet Union, "Vorontsov recalled.

    The successor country automatically received all the rights and obligations of the predecessor, because it was legally the same object of international law. The recognition of Russia as the successor of the USSR turned the procedure into the UN from a big geopolitical problem into a simple change of the plate ..
    1. Old Horseradish
      Old Horseradish 6 June 2020 20: 13 New
      -1
      Quote: yasvet
      American lawyers have told us a very good legal option, according to which disputes about what belongs to the Russian Federation and what does not, have become pointless

      Bravo! American lawyers - yes! These are great specialists, and historians, and professionals, and filibusters in one bottle. Why are you writing from the state of Florida? In embrace with your American lawyers?
  • Old26
    Old26 6 June 2020 20: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
    Parade - YES !!! Pandemics - NO !!! - Everyone can understand in his own way. I am firmly convinced that this Parade is needed, although not a supporter of annual parades .... In 1941, the fascismovirus pandemic was much more dangerous than the coronovirus pandemic, but the parade took place. Some will propose a parade on November 7, I am against. Parade 1941 - parade of DEFENDERS, parade June 24, 1945 - parade of WINNERS. I am the heir to this victory, I am proud of those who went to battle from Red Square in 41 when the outcome of the war was not known, but I also remember who threw the standards of the defeated enemy to the ground in 45. That is why the world must remember how the wars end, and generations of Russians should remember, despite the tales from the pro-Western false historians who won this war.

    Well said, countryman !!! And the most interesting thing is that the veterans were not opposed to the parade transfer, although the same attitude to the coronovirus is different. But how many copies on this topic are broken on the Internet - do not count. Earlier this week, the administration of the Industrial District, where I live, called my father and asked if he would go to the parade and who would accompany him. They wrote down him and his granddaughter (my daughter). Both the father and the daughter have no negativity about the fact that the parade will be on June 24 ...
    After all, the main thing is not what day the parade will be. The main thing is that the veterans are not forgotten on other days ...
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 6 June 2020 22: 37 New
    -3
    Still, what is there with Belarus after the parade? And if the parade is masked, then this is not a parade but a carnival.
  • Roman 4912
    Roman 4912 6 June 2020 22: 56 New
    -4
    I can’t understand in any way. They defeated Germany and got scared, it was they scared, of some kind of virus. And now the question is when to hold the parade. If you did not spend May 9, then June 24.
    Why 10 years ago no one was afraid of SARS, bird flu?
  • acetophenon
    acetophenon 6 June 2020 23: 41 New
    +1
    I would be glad if I were postponed to September 2 or 3. And even try to explain why. But I do not see much point in this. The leaders there decided without me - well, so the flag in their hands. And a drum with sticks. You know nowhere. what
  • Guazdilla
    Guazdilla 7 June 2020 01: 42 New
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    Is a parade necessary in a pandemic?

    Not just one suspicion crept in that something was wrong with the pandemic? So Onishchenko says that much more people get sick and die from the annual epidemics of influenza.
    Listen to Mikhalkov with Prokopenko, conspiracy theories in their classical concentration on secrets, and believe.
    From a rational point of view, explain everything - this requires the help of specialists. There is one suitable thought to explain the unusual occurring around. But advice is needed.
    The essence of the assumption is as follows.
    There are forces of good - it is we, ordinary people, ours which are no governments. And there are forces of evil: terrorists, all kinds, radicals, well, in general, destructive forces. The forces of good are in solidarity with each other through the governments of their peoples. At some higher forum, with the participation of the special services of these countries, it is understood that everyone needs to take some proactive measures to prevent future manifestations of violence and the spread of chaos in society, including on a global scale. Take, for example, anti-ball players. Everywhere situations of the same type: mobile groups with hidden faces appear, organize pogroms, provocations and quickly disappear in the future. A similar situation with religious extremists. It is impossible to identify a person in any way in order to prevent an attack due to camouflaged persons. So it was on the Maidan, on all color revolutions. Dead end? And here the enemy of all mankind appears coronovirus. WHO outlines the primary measures to combat it. Everyone needs to wear masks. The governments of all, or almost all countries, support this measure. And here it is worth taking a closer look at the consequences of this action. You put on a mask and without fail provide information about yourself. After that, standing monitors in the subway or somewhere else register and identify your appearance in the mask. That is, higher incognito is now debunked forever. And far it’s all a matter of technology. Your positive characteristics in case of emergency do not make you or the same respectable people suspect. Thus, the circle of suspects is sharply narrowed and the system of visual identification gives an accurate tip to a suspicious uninfected object. Well, and if it was still once identified, it is even better (not for the object of course).
    In general, the coronovirus parade is completely no obstacle. And the fact that the number of cases by July 1 will approach half a million, this only confirms.
    1. Guazdilla
      Guazdilla 8 June 2020 10: 57 New
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      As soon as the means of visual identification were working in transport and institutions, a mask mode was introduced. During this time, an exhaustive base was collected.
  • And why do you need
    And why do you need 7 June 2020 04: 52 New
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    It was more logical to arrange a parade on the day of the end of World War II.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 7 June 2020 08: 06 New
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      This is OUR VICTORY and WE celebrate it on June 24, as our great ancestors, and not as those who cling to or try to appropriate our VICTORY to themselves! Like "... and we plowed ..."! :
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 7 June 2020 12: 19 New
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        Quote: kartalovkolya
        WE celebrate it on June 24, as our great ancestors


        stop talking nonsense. Great ancestors celebrated on May 9th. Well, they chose June 24 as an alternative date - why do weave lace about the "great ancestors"?
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 7 June 2020 08: 00 New
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    What is it about? The decision has been made, the order has been given, and all these "analytical opuses" resemble yet another attempt to cast a "shadow on the fence"! Who do you work for, where is your parachute buried?
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 7 June 2020 08: 37 New
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    In order not to set the flood I will write - PARADE is necessary. And who wrote such an article?
    Roman Skomorokhov
    EVERYTHING is clear from where the breeze blows.
  • Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 7 June 2020 08: 49 New
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    We’ll hide Vladimir Ilyich again behind the plywood. We’re ashamed of what we’ve done to the country. And a parade will take place under the merchant and trade flag of Vlasov. But then our marshal generals will color up. Self-love and vanity will amuse and at the same time beating money.
  • Thompson
    Thompson 7 June 2020 10: 06 New
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    As always, I recognize the author by one title of the article ... I read the title. second at a thought ... down ... OH!
    And this topic was given to you ... get busy
  • Yan Yanin
    Yan Yanin 7 June 2020 10: 34 New
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    What difference does it make if Putin will score the Mausoleum before the parade, Platoshkina decided to score earlier. This Soviet holiday and it will be banned!
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      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 7 June 2020 12: 57 New
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        Quote: Super
        Our Victory Parade is like a bone in the throat of the West ...


        Spit West on the parade and on our bustle around it. The West has problems for tonsils.
        The parade is exclusively our internal fetish.
        1. fif21
          fif21 8 June 2020 09: 50 New
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          Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
          The parade is exclusively our internal fetish.

          The parade is the creation of an illusion among the people that traitors and traitors who seized power in the USSR by a coup are not traitors at all, but rather patriots of Russia. wassat hi
  • Oleg1
    Oleg1 7 June 2020 17: 57 New
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    But does the author of the article, who recently wrote the word VICTORY, have the moral right to even discuss the topic of celebrating Victory Day? I think he does not have such a right ....
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 7 June 2020 19: 15 New
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    "What do we have? Everything is strange and incomprehensible here. Is everything that has been so far not so serious, and the parade must be held at any cost, or ...?"
    To hold a parade at any cost, immediately not.
    Now is not the forty-first year. And the enemy does not stand near Moscau.
    Therefore, it is necessary to save the fighters. They may still come in handy however.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 7 June 2020 19: 22 New
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      Quote: Benzorez
      Now is not the forty-first year. And the enemy does not stand near Moscau.
      Therefore, it is necessary to save the fighters. They may still come in handy however.

      Now the enemy is in Moscow!