ZVO reinforced the first tank army with a motorized rifle brigade

1th Guards tank The Red Banner Army of the Western Military District is reinforced by the Sevastopol Guards Red Banner Motorized Rifle Brigade deployed in the Novomoskovsk Administrative District of Moscow. This was reported by the press service of ZVO.

The Separate Guards Motorized Rifle Sevastopol Red Banner Brigade named after the 60th anniversary of the USSR became part of the Guards Tank Red Banner Army of the Western Military District to fulfill tasks (...) in the western strategic direction

- said in a statement.

It is noted that this year the brigade will take part in a bilateral tactical and special training jointly with a separate tank brigade at the Mulino training ground. The brigade is armed with the T-90A, BTR-82A, BMP-3, 9A34 Strela-10 SAM and 2S6M Tunguska ZSU.

Recall that the first ZVO tank army was recreated in 2014. It includes, in particular, the Taman motorized rifle and Kantemirov tank divisions, the 6th tank brigade, and the missile brigade in the Ivanovo region. The army headquarters is in Bakovka (Moscow region)

Comments

[ccsr]

The 1st Guards Tank Red Banner Army of the Western Military District is reinforced by the Guards Sevastopol Red Banner Motorized Rifle Brigade,

It is good that the process has begun, because it needs to be brought up to a five-division structure in peacetime in order to justify the administrative apparatus of the army, and so that it is possible to conduct normal army exercises. And the content of the parts of the support will be justified i.e. 1 Guards TA brought to the level that it was in the GSVG with headquarters in Dresden.

[Sergei 777]

The level of the GSVG army is still very far away.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Bravo

Bravo to the level of GSVG, even though it’s far

Do you really think it's witty to write meaningless comments? Are you a graphomaniac?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Bravo

Bravo to the level of GSVG, even though it’s far

You that slonkatsa kicked?

. mockingbird australian ....

[FIR FIR]

Well, they really found something to compare .... The GSVG included how many tank divisions, motorized rifle ...

[113262a]

There are no parts that were in the GSVG! There was no cantemation, no Tamanka. There are no Guards heavy 70 regiments, 23 armored, 95 armored, and 9 TD in total.

[ccsr]

Quote: 113262

There are no parts that were in the GSVG!

So this is an association, that is why there may not be a permanent composition, and moreover, the number of divisions can change at different times. By the way, this army, already in the GSVG, did not transfer a four-division structure, because at first they began to withdraw from the reduction of army structures. In this case, it is indicative that the two brigades are practically the composition of the division, and there, if they introduce one more division, we will get a full-fledged army. This is very important, because we don’t need the cropped parts at all now - it’s a waste of money, and it’s good that our commanders understand this. That is why we can only welcome the creation of full-fledged peacetime armies - this will allow us to optimize maintenance costs and increase the combat readiness of formations and formations.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Sergey 777

GSVG

On the one hand, it is incorrect to compare a join with a join. But when, instead of the first, essentially only the second remains - from this there is no escape.

[Sergei 777]

To begin with, the Army is also an association of troops. And I did not compare the entire GSVG with 1 Guards that. I compared the Army as part of the GSVG with the Army as part of the current WEST

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Sergey 777

The army is also a union of troops

This is when the army does not resemble a corps more than an army

[ccsr]

Quote: Sergey 777

I compared the Army as part of the GSVG with the Army as part of the current WEST

And I compared, and I see that it is still smaller in numbers than the Soviet army in the GSVG, but the tendency to increase it by introducing another brigade tells me that they will not stop there. That is why I am glad of this, and I believe that this is the right direction for the construction of our associations.

[a.hamster55]

About 1 Guards. I can’t say TA, but 3 TAs in the GSVG did not show themselves very much .... When lifting, one-third did not come out or did not reach. Then they searched for a week with turntables and organized an evacuation. Fraud is solid for the money of the people.

[Sergei 777]

More ? Didn’t come out you mean by alarm? In what years?

[a.hamster55]

A year of commercials in 84-85. What kind of a schoolgirl were because they drove us two days earlier. And then in the middle of the night a column of 3 TA headquarters arrived, covering the ZKP — they drove cars expensively in full darkness, docked butterflies, and only once was the rattle and mothers. But the security of the commandment we profiled, although we were 200 measures away from them and the fire was burning around the clock. Enti grenadiers came running only for dinner, and that’s because our fighter threw raw firewood. And with the tanks came out a complete embarrassment. Part did not go on alarm, part became on the way and for some reason the crews are not full ...

[ccsr]

Quote: a.hamster55

About 1 Guards. I can’t say TA, but 3 TA in the GSVG did not show itself very well

Yes, stop bending, because both the 3rd and 8th Armies were considered the most prepared for battles at the border, and there were more tanks in 3 OA than in the tank armies, and it was called the Combined Arms, and not the Tank.

Quote: a.hamster55

When lifting a third did not come out or did not reach.

Do not fantasize, because I don’t remember in five years that at least once the whole army was raised, because NATO had to be notified of large-scale exercises. As a rule, those who participate in exercises are raised, and even then sometimes not the whole connection. Or for the purpose of verification, and even then not everyone is raised, that's why not a single army was completely raised, as far as I remember.

Quote: a.hamster55

Fraud is solid for the money of the people.

No need to lie - since we studied at the GSVG, nowhere else in the USSR did this happen. That is why any division from the GSVG, in a collision with an equivalent division from our districts, would simply smear it, if only because it was fully equipped and its coordination of actions was higher than even in our court divisions such as "taman" and "cantemirovka". And the tank regiments of cover in general blocked all the standards, whenever they were raised - I saw it myself.

And then in the middle of the night a column of 3 TA headquarters arrived, to cover the ZKP - it’s expensive to look at cars in full darkness, ....
And with the tanks came out a complete embarrassment. Part did not go on alarm, part became on the way and for some reason the crews are not full ...

You do not seem to know how army KShUs are conducted without raising troops, which can simply be involved for the purpose of checking before leaving the park and deploying in marching columns.
As for the "incomplete" crews, this could not be, because the group was staffed according to peacetime states, and only during a short period of changing conscriptions did untrained fighters appear. But as a rule, as many decreased from the group, the same amount immediately arrived, so there could not be a shortage of l / s. On the contrary, it was allowed to keep an excess number of servicemen in excess of the staff for several days.

[a.hamster55]

Well, it means ento was an optical illusion of health. And ento tanks were not on German roads, but inflatable mock-ups. What he saw, about what he said.

[ccsr]

Quote: a.hamster55

And ento tanks were not on German roads, but inflatable mock-ups. What he saw, about what he said.

Yes, you most likely saw a tank company elongated in a marching column, after the battalion left the boxes with the beginning of the command and control station, and they waited for the team to return to the park. By the way, our tanks didn’t enter German roads - do not la-la, they could only be transported at MAZs.

[113262a]

Why? Your humble servant personally participated in SHIELD-84, and these were the exercises of the WHOLE Warsaw Pact at three training grounds only in the Northern Military Command, the main action was in Magdeburg, involving all the armed forces (I didn’t see the Baltic Fleet, I won’t say it!) _ I’m not understaffed it might be that they introduced the ensigns by tank commanders, especially on the T-80, but gradually, we first transferred 70 regiments, and in the 85s and 23. After the training, the ensigns came, but painfully arrogant, of our call, but few of tank crews. Because of this, there could be a mess, bullfight in our opinion!

[ccsr]

Quote: 113262

Why? Your humble servant personally participated in SHIELD-84, and these were the teachings of the whole Warsaw Pact

These are unique exercises on the scale of the armed forces of different countries, which were attended by senior military leaders, politicians, foreign observers, which is why they can not be compared with planned army exercises, which took place at least a couple of times every year in each GSVG army.

Quote: 113262

Prapora come after training,

The group had several specialized trainings for warrant officers - this was reasonable, because soldiers from the group were taken there, and they had an idea about the theater of war, which is important.

Quote: 113262

Short crews could not be

You yourself understood that a friend made a slight catch up, that their tank was not equipped - this simply could not be in the GSVG.

[Doliva63]

"Do not fantasize, because I do not remember in five years that at least once the ENTIRE army was raised, because NATO had to be notified about large-scale exercises."
In 88, it seems, the entire 20 GvOA was raised. And NATO members were - everything was as it should be. Next - Dresden, because I remember after our exercises "march" 110 km. into their territory. And they were there too.
Have you seen "Barut Glade", when all the drivers of the 20th army at one time performed 500 km. March? During the day it is a collapse on the roads (which were called "routes", not autobahns), and at night - a fantastic sight worthy of a Lucas movie! I still have pictures, black and white, though, but they were taken with a "star" filter (I was shooting for the VSA Practice, it seems): when later, in civilian life, I showed my friends, no one understood what it was; after the explanation, everyone's eyes popped out of their orbits - nichrenase! In reality, few people imagine what kind of power the GSVG possessed. Actually, world peace kept on it. Well, for her, dear!

[ccsr]

Quote: Doliva63

In 88th, it seems, they lifted the entire 20 GuoAA. And the NATO were - all as expected.

Most likely they raised the combat units, and the support units most likely partially, and they played up from the RPM, imitating violent activity. This happened - I do not deny it. The whole trouble is that there were not enough training grounds for such exercises, so they tried to approach this matter wisely.

Quote: Doliva63

During the day it is a collapse on the roads (which were called "routes", not autobahns), and at night - a fantastic sight worthy of a Lucas movie!

It was because of this that they tried to limit the exercises, because after that there were troubles, and then complaints about the group of troops were sent through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Well, then our bosses got hit on the head, that's why, if you remember, there was such a signal in winter "Stop the car" for the whole group, if it was snowing or there was ice.

Quote: Doliva63

In reality, few imagine how powerful the GSVG was.

Yes, it was the most powerful group of ground forces in peacetime - even the Americans didn’t.

Quote: Doliva63

Well, for her, dear!

I agree - you can be proud of the group, we will never have such a thing.

[chenia]

Quote: ccsr

with headquarters in Dresden.

And the headquarters of the Group in Wünsdorf. The people there are familiar. not much surprised, maybe even happy.

[Finches]

But the most important thing, even if the army is only in the name, but they returned the sacred idea of ​​succession of the Victory People - look at the photo - 27th Guards Motorized Rifle Sevastopol Red Banner Brigade named after the 60th anniversary of the USSR! A young soldier and officer does not even know what the USSR is, but at the genetic level they will feel what the 27th Guards Motorized Rifle Sevastopol Red Banner Brigade means! They will go and carry out a combat mission for their homeland! Even if it is necessary to die ...
As the soldiers of the Polosukhin division, they died on the Borodino field in 41 under the banners of the Russian army of Kutuzov in 1812!
In another way, great-grandfathers will feel ashamed ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Finches

A young soldier and officer - does not even know what the USSR is, at the genetic level he will feel what the 27th guards motorized rifle Sevastopol Red Banner Brigade means!

And what is that?

[Finches]

And that means ...

[a.hamster55]

In order to have continuity, it was necessary to feed soldiers on the students' apprenticeships, and not to leave them for a week in a faulty tank without food and water. And just ... the memories that survived.

[Finches]

Poor fellow .... And in the barracks there was no clean linen and heating in the winter ...!

[a.hamster55]

You are talking about continuity, so that generation still fiercely hates the fathers of commanders and calls names very badly.

[Finches]

Do you claim for the whole generation?

[a.hamster55]

And you talk informally over a glass in the garages, but not for long until the showdown begins. You will learn a lot about officers ensigns impartial.

[Finches]

Yes, what does it have to do with .... I’m talking about a sacred idea, but you’re talking about how they offended you there!

[a.hamster55]

I’m not offended because there was a weapon and ammunition, and so that the soldiers did not starve, they had to go to crime and shoot German roe deer for the boiler at night. And this is the ball era of the developed socialism ... Shame!

[Finches]

I believe! Also, to get food for themselves, the poor soldiers of the Soviet Army cooked kirzachi when it wasn’t a season for roe deer .... You are not Ukrainian, by any chance?

[a.hamster55]

No, I’m not a Ukrainian, but I graduated from a military school in Kharkov - I think it influenced.

[Finches]

I don’t think anything! I am simply surprised ...

[a.hamster55]

Here I am for 27 years and 10 months in calendar terms, or 32 preferential AMAZED!

[Finches]

So I am surprised - I have a little less on the calendars - 26, but still I consider my service in the army - from ordinary military service to the command of a separate military unit ... the best years of my life! And my language will not turn to say, despite the difficulties, human injustice ... that our Army is a complete negative! It means groaning yourself, your life, your fellow soldiers ... Okay! It's empty! Count as you please!

[Doliva63]

Quote: Finches

So I am surprised - I have a little less on the calendars - 26, but still I consider my service in the army - from ordinary military service to the command of a separate military unit ... the best years of my life! And my language will not turn to say, despite the difficulties, human injustice ... that our Army is a complete negative! It means groaning yourself, your life, your fellow soldiers ... Okay! It's empty! Count as you please!

A colleague, we have similar biographies - I started as a fighter in training at Novgorod, and ended up as a unit commander in Chita. Once they transferred to me the senior ensign, who was my sergeant major in my youth. He said to the soldiers: "It's useless to argue with this commander - my upbringing"

[Finches]

And I started at Chita - n.p. Gerbil!

[ccsr]

Quote: Doliva63

Once, the senior warrant officer who was my foreman in my youth was transferred to me.

This is indeed a very rare event for military service - I have never encountered anything like it. Although I remember how the chief of faculty respected our foreman, they served together in the same unit, and have known each other since ancient times.

[Doliva63]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: Doliva63

Once, the senior warrant officer who was my foreman in my youth was transferred to me.

This is indeed a very rare event for military service - I have never encountered anything like it. Although I remember how the chief of faculty respected our foreman, they served together in the same unit, and have known each other since ancient times.

It’s not at all clear how he transferred to us from the Air Force! I did not delve into. He got involved and quickly. But here is the liquor with the fighters after the exclusion from the lists of the part drank, and with it - never.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: a.hamster55

I’m not offended because there was a weapon and ammunition, and so that the soldiers did not starve, they had to go to crime and shoot German roe deer for the boiler at night. And this is the ball era of the developed socialism ... Shame!

I think based on what you read - you’re a shitty officer, since you fed your subordinates in this way.
Worried about your career, if you haven’t reported what is happening?

[a.hamster55]

On the contrary, the crews of the Malinsky turntables thanked and invited them to visit the Union. They flew whole days with black colonels, collected information about the abandoned equipment 3 TA. But they somehow forgot to feed them. So I had to get out. About this I should have reported to the command? Or you refused hungry and so 11 days!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: a.hamster55

invited to visit the Union. They flew whole days with black colonels, collected information about the abandoned equipment 3 TA. But they somehow forgot to feed them. So I had to get out.

Wait a minute, you said -

Quote: a.hamster55

I’m not offended because there was a weapon and ammunition, and so that the soldiers did not starve, they had to go to crime,

So whom did you feed with German roe deer? His subordinates "soldiers" or other people's helicopter pilots whom someone "forgot" to feed?

[ccsr]

Quote: a.hamster55

On the contrary, the crews of the Malinsky turntables thanked and invited them to visit the Union.

And how could these helicopter pilots be there if it was a court helicopter regiment from the Moscow Region? The group had its own army aviation control and there were enough helicopter regiments - something doesn’t fit here, especially since group helicopters know everything better.

Quote: a.hamster55

They flew whole days with black colonels, collected information about the abandoned equipment 3 TA.

Nafig they needed this equipment, especially since they didn’t throw it anywhere, but took it to tank repair plants for cutting. Most likely they hung noodles on your ears, and they worked out completely different questions that you were not supposed to know about.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: a.hamster55

I’m not offended

And so it seems. You talk about the problems of someone specific at some specific exercises, and you offend the whole generation against the entire command staff. Only a person blinded by personal insult can be so stupid to extrapolate.

[a.hamster55]

I repeat, I'm not outraged! I calmly receive three well-deserved pensions and I have enough. It’s just that not everyone wants to express a negative, and this is bad and will lead to bad. I sometimes ask modern commanders about some nuances and confuse them and I don’t know if they are trying to figure it out. Very serious questions by the way.

[Doliva63]

Quote: a.hamster55

I’m not offended because there was a weapon and ammunition, and so that the soldiers did not starve, they had to go to crime and shoot German roe deer for the boiler at night. And this is the ball era of the developed socialism ... Shame!

This is when and where was it? I remember, comrade officers hunted, it was, and the goat went to the table on the table, we only had to indulge in beer. I served in the Group in 2 armies - such that what you are telling, I can’t imagine. Our officers threw themselves off to buy a shower cabin in the barracks. Therefore, it is interesting - where could this be?

[ccsr]

Quote: a.hamster55

In order to have continuity, it was necessary to feed soldiers on the students' apprenticeships, and not to leave them for a week in a faulty tank without food and water.

Firstly, in the GSVG the soldiers were fed better than in the Union - this will be confirmed by anyone who served there.
Secondly, if your crew consisted of gouges, who do not even have water, then I do not wonder why your tank broke and got stuck.
Thirdly, if you couldn’t get mushrooms in Germany for food, then you are worthless as fighters, but you are still telling something about roe deer. They were quietly killed to prepare a delicacy, and not because of hunger, but at the same time it was always fraught with an investigation if the German foresters noticed this.
And to shoot a roe deer using PBS is generally a trifling matter - they even went out to the roads without fear of people.
It seems you only have bad memories left - but this is your problem, not the Soviet Army.

[a.hamster55]

I have only good memories, but armored people felt sorry for them humanly. Products were given to us for 7 days + a little took from the house + alarming brands. And in the end, they stayed for 11 days, and the crew of the turntables fed each day. So roe deer, mushrooms and potatoes from the German field went with a bang. And it was also a pity that NS 3 TA was very glum at evening meetings. Once he even visited us - he did not disdain to drink a seagull from a fire.

[ccsr]

Quote: a.hamster55

Products were given to us for 7 days + a little took from the house + alarming brands. And in the end, they stayed for 11 days, and the crew of the turntables fed each day.

Yes, it was impossible to physically starve in Germany - during our exercises, some warrant officers also managed to catch fish quietly, always brought fruit from the curbs, and you can always fly to a neighboring village with the permission of the commander. Why keep secret - even dabbled in alcohol sometimes, especially when they called into some hole in the mountains.

Quote: a.hamster55

So roe deer, mushrooms and potatoes from the German field went with a bang.

So what kind of hunger can we talk about if all this was at hand? Well, why didn’t the capon put in the piston for your rear pilots because I didn’t have time to get and give them additional dry packs, I don’t know - maybe I just didn’t expect the exercises to drag out, although he had to foresee this option as well.

[carstorm 11]

why returned? all formations and units retained their regalia and names and were not touched by them, like their banners. it’s just that nobody pays attention to it.

[storm]

This is all fantasy !!!
With a total number of ground forces of 400 thousand people. in 12 combined arms armies there can be an average of 30 thousand men.
These are two "cut divisions":
- tank consisting of two tank and two motorized rifle regiments
- Motorized rifle division consisting of one tank regiment and two motorized rifle regiments.
- missile brigade OTRK Iskander
- artillery regiment / brigade
- air defense regiment / brigade
what is the point in the transition from brigades to divisions probably only Shoigu knows ...
It was much more logical and easier to switch from another "hodgepodge" to a single composition of mechanized brigades consisting of:
- three tank battalions.
- Three motorized rifle battalions.
- two divisions of barrel artillery (Msta-S)
- MLRS Tornado-G division
- three air defense divisions
- parts of collateral
those. that "tail" for which motorized rifle brigades were jokingly called "anti-aircraft artillery" would correspond to the strengthened "head".
The number of the new brigade would be 6 thousand people. at the same time, it would have retained its efficiency and mobility, in contrast to unnecessarily "bulky" divisions with incomprehensible structures and composition.

[ccsr]

Quote: assault

what is the point in the transition from brigades to divisions probably only Shoigu knows ...

This is not only known to Shoigu, but it is clear to any military professional that the division is more prepared for operations in a combat situation, if only because it has much more support units and rear reserves that allow the unit to be on stand-alone support for up to 15 days.

Quote: assault

The number of the new brigade would be 6 thousand people. at the same time, it would have retained its efficiency and mobility, in contrast to unnecessarily "bulky" divisions with incomprehensible structures and composition.

This is a delusion, though because if it is required to perform tasks with a limited number of troops, the division will instantly pick up any grouping, but the brigade, if the task is more complicated, will not cope with it. Do not think that "bulkiness" depends on the number of troops - combat units from either a brigade or a division will require the same time for loading and transportation, because they have the same standards for loading battalions.

[GRIGORIY76]

He served in this unit. HF 61899. That is still a passage yard, continuous negativity.

[GRIGORIY76]

Duck yes. The part is guards, and the soldiers and officers call it a "sanatorium" among themselves.

[svp67]

They know how to keep the SECRET in us ... they learned from partners. The full open name on the wall of the house is 27 divisions of the Main Directorate of Maritime Security, structural subordination is in the press ...

[GRIGORIY76]

In the photo barracks # 2. 200 m from her residential high-rise. The whole part, including the fleet of equipment at a glance.

[Interlocutor]

They know how to keep the SECRET in us ... they learned from partners. The full open name on the wall of the house is 27 divisions of the Main Directorate of Maritime Security, structural subordination is in the press ...

Not that word.

[chenia]

Quote: svp67

They know how to keep the SECRET in us ... they learned from partners.

Yeah. We were seriously taught to keep our mouths shut. Although at ceremonial events (among civilians) no one regiment number on the banner was sealed.

[Cat]

The secret was (more precisely, it was considered) the correspondence of the full name to the number in / h, and even then - not always and not everywhere. For example, I happened to see signs at the checkpoint: "KGB administration <...> in the XXX region" - and below "military unit XXXX".
But individually, they were not secret.

[TatarinSSSR]

You live in the 21st century, no one and for nothing need to look out for something from the balcony. There are technologies that allow you to learn everything about the part. When our nuclear submarine missile carrier strategist moves away from the wall on a campaign, the USA already knows almost everything - from the name and rank of commander and all officers on board, to their addresses and family composition. on training creeps out to the deployment area or to the training ground. Not to mention satellites and other garbage - you don’t know much in your smartphone. You are being tracked even when it is turned off.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

You live in the 21st century

For example, a Ukrainian, a pedophile who earned by selling information on the deployment of units and formations of the RF Armed Forces, despite 21 years with his companions and other stray people, still found his client, as investigators later found out.
https://meduza.io/feature/2018/08/02/kto-dast-pravilnyy-otvet-tot-poluchit-10-let

[TatarinSSSR]

You are like little, by golly

[Pvi1206]

Getting ready ...

[Furious bambr]

It used to be a district subordination. Now there will be 10 times more people checking

[TatarinSSSR]

Here is such news to my liking) Not that I am for a bloated army, I am for a sufficiently powerful, well-equipped Russian army. The new brigade is very useful in our time in this direction.

[knn54]

The first and only in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

[Lara Croft]

Your affairs are wonderful, dear edition ... according to WIKI this court 27th guards. SMBr. (Mosrengen) for several years included in the 1st Guards. TA ....

[Cat]

Yes. Judging by pedagogy, this team did not know where to stick at all - they created it as an exemplary SV, then in the KGB, sweats in the SV, then in the airborne forces, then again in the SV

[carstorm 11]

and there is. but there are procedures for transferring subordination, which is quite a long time. and until they are passed through in fact in the Moscow Region they are in no hurry to officially announce this. that this gain will be Shoigu on the selector indicated several years ago. see and stuck in the wiki then.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: carstorm 11

that this gain will be Shoigu on the selector indicated several years ago. see and stuck in the wiki then.

Is this the transcript of Defense Minister’s conference calls on strengthening the union — open source? But what about Japanese and other spies? Or did they know this even before the conference call?

[carstorm 11]

Yes. open. selector results even in the news print. it’s just an open part but a closed part. they are talking about amplification, not to us, but to neighbors what they would think.

[Adepton]

Create a tank fist in the western direction of Russia? Well, God forbid that this did not stop