Another project 20380 corvette for Pacific Fleet sent to the delivery base

Built at the Amur Shipyard in Komsomolsk-on-Amur for the Pacific fleet corvette of project 20380 "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov" sent to the delivery base in Vladivostok. This was announced by the city resource komcity.ru.

According to the resource, the new corvette, loaded onto the Zeya transport floating dock, went to Vladivostok on June 3, 2020. The float dock was brought to the water area with the help of tugboats, along the Amur River “Zeya” you will only go during daylight hours. It is noted that the transportation of the corvette was postponed several times due to bad weather conditions.

It is reported that at the delivery base, the corvette will undergo mooring tests, verification of all systems and weapons. The act of technical readiness of the ship for the settlement of the crew was signed on May 29, the official settlement of the team on the corvette is scheduled for June 25.

The corvette of project 20380 “Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov” was laid in Komsomolsk-on-Amur on July 22, 2015, on September 12, 2019 it was removed from the boathouse to the outfitting and transport-launch floating dock, and on October 21, 2019 it was physically launched from the dock. On May 25, 2020, it was introduced into the Zeya transport floating dock for transportation to Vladivostok. The commissioning of the Pacific Fleet is scheduled for the end of this year.

Project 20380 corvettes are classified as 2nd-class multipurpose combat surface ships of the near sea zone. At the same time, NATO considers project 20380 too large for corvettes, and defines them as frigates. Project 20380 was developed by the Almaz design bureau.

Comments

[Atlant-1164]

7 feet under the keel .. "Aldar Tsydenzhapov"!

[Sky strike fighter]

I am joining. 7 feet under the keel of the new corvette.
I apologize for something off topic, but the news is important and also related to the Far East.

JSC "Industrial Technologies" (Severodvinsk), by order of TsENKI, completed the manufacture and testing of the product "Launch table with a set of gas lining and gas reflector." Shipment preparations are currently underway.
“A giant launch pad for Angara weighing more than 2 thousand tons is leaving from Severodvinsk in the Arkhangelsk region ... Already in July, the Barents universal cargo ship will launch along the Northern Sea Route with a launch pad and a vacuum installation complex for the Vostochny cosmodrome manned program,” a film about the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome hosted by TsENKI.
Having passed the Northern Sea Route, a vessel with oversized cargo will enter the port of Sovetskaya Gavan, where the launch pad and the vacuum installation complex will be loaded onto barges and delivered to the Vostochny Cosmodrome by September by the Amur and Zeya rivers.

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/133123/

[ANDREY MIKHAILOV_2]

One news is wonderful another

[Grits]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Having passed the Northern Sea Route, a vessel with oversized cargo will enter the port of Sovetskaya Gavan, where the launch pad and the vacuum installation complex will be loaded onto barges and delivered to the Vostochny Cosmodrome by September by the Amur and Zeya rivers.

By September - this means pulling along the rivers will be at the very peak of the passage of the Far Eastern typhoons and floods.
It's a shame that on the shore of Zeya you still have to disassemble for a further transportation a few dozen kilometers. - on the ground.

[Far East]

(The rivers will be at the very peak of the Far Eastern typhoons and floods.) No, you're wrong. it is sausage now, until the beginning of November you can safely.

[Grits]

Quote: Far East

No, you are wrong. it is sausage now, until the beginning of November you can dare

For 11 years I have been working in the Civil Defense and Emergency Situations system in Primorye and I know what I'm talking about. And participated in the aftermath of many floods. If you are a Far East, then you should know that it is from the end of July to the beginning of September that the typhoons and floods season falls.

[Far East]

(For 11 years I have been working in the civil defense system in Primorye and I know what I'm talking about.) And? I have been living on the coast of the Tatar Strait for more than forty years, went to the seas, worked on tankers, served the Okhotsk Sea expeditions. and, change the weather, I know the local very well! do not equal Primorsky kr. with the coast of the Tatar Strait! ALREADY I KNOW WHAT I'm TALKING ABOUT. "you are our lifeguard"

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Atlant-1164

7 feet under the keel .. "Aldar Tsydenzhapov"!

I don’t understand one thing - why was it transferred to the building base at the Zeya dock?

[alexmach]

1. probably not enough depth of the Amur channel.
2. Well, he has not yet passed even mooring trials.
3. in the article

The act of technical readiness of the ship for the settlement of the crew was signed on May 29, the official settlement of the team on the corvette is scheduled for June 25

How else should they overtake him without a crew?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: alexmach

How else should they overtake him without a crew?

As usual - in tow.

[alexmach]

Well then depth. The dock has already been mentioned somewhere that it is necessary for launching ships built at the NEA.

[Bashkirkhan]

20380 are the most deep-seated surface ships that have ever been built there. The leaders of the project 38 had a draft of 4,2 meters, the destroyers of the project 7 - generally only 3,1 meters, and at 20380, due to the bulb with the hull, the draft was as much as 7,6 meters, he would simply demolish it when he tried to go from the factory to the sea.

[Ryazan87]

Admiral Gorshkov could tell a lot of interesting things about towing warships from Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: alexmach

How else should they overtake him without a crew?

As usual - in tow.

It seems that the towed ship (vessel) should also have a minimum crew. Or am I missing something in towing?
Py.Sy. Don't kick too much. He did not participate in towing except for aircraft, "Moskvich" and "Zhiguli".

[petrol cutter]

"It seems that the towed ship (vessel) should also have a minimum crew."
Actually, yes. We call it (in common people) - a distillation team.
If there is no full-time crew.
And so, team members must be present at the new building. They arrive at the factory in the final stages of construction. Take the ship, participate in its trials.
Oh! I climbed into the jungle already ... In general, somehow ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Piramidon

Or am I missing something in towing?

Here we are in equal positions.

Quote: Petrol cutter

Actually, yes. We call it (in common people) - a distillation team.

Therefore, I thank you and alexmach and Benzoreza for clarification.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: alexmach

probably not enough depth of the Amur channel

Here is the reason and the main, many shallows. The fact that the corvette of project 20380 creeps into the transport and launch floating dock of project 17571 Zeya of the Amur Shipbuilding Plant, which was originally intended for receiving nuclear submarines with dock masses of up to 7820 tons from the shore stocks of the shipyard and launching them on water, is a gift of fate.
Photo of a Project 971 submarine at the Zeya floating dock. It is impossible to say for sure what kind of boat it is - it is either K-263 "Barnaul" or K-322 "Kashalot". Both of these boats were transported from Kamchatka to Bolshoi Kamen and Komsomolsk on the Amur, respectively. The transportation was carried out in 2002-2003. Both boats were not repaired and were excluded from the fleet.

[petrol cutter]

"2. well, he hasn't even passed the mooring tests yet.
3. in the article
The act of technical readiness of the ship for the settlement of the crew was signed on May 29, the official settlement of the team on the corvette is scheduled for June 25

How else should they overtake it without a crew? "
I allow myself to disagree (although I may be wrong). I spread my understanding of events purely.
Most likely he passed the mooring tests. How without this? .. How else would they put him in the PD ?!
Further. The actual settlement of a full-fledged crew does not correlate with the transportation of the order to the front desk. For these events, the entire personnel of the ship on board is not needed at all. The crew is partially present. The main activities and responsibilities lie with the team transporting this vessel to its destination.

[Fitter65]

Quote: alexmach

1. probably not enough depth of the Amur channel.
2. Well, he has not yet passed even mooring trials.

A common occurrence for the Komsomol plant. Submarines are also lowered in the dock

[mmaxx]

People here poke in the face with incompetence and erudition, but they have no idea that from Komsomolsk all ships and submarines are similarly withdrawn

[alexmach]

People here poke in the face with incompetence and erudition

Yes, you need to be calmer with each other and also with each, especially ordinary news

[mmaxx]

They stuck me out. You see, I don’t like Soviet admirals!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I don’t understand one thing - why was it transferred to the building base at the Zeya dock?

So historically.
Shipbuilding on the Amur is limited by the Amur fairways. Therefore, they build on the Amur "as much as possible" and then drag them to Vladivostok for completion. Such a procedure is not unusual - in the same way "in two stages" they built, for example, the Potemkin EDR in Nikolaev, and then in Sevastopol.
The main problem with this two-step process is the weather during the crossing. In 1937, while being towed, the Pacific Fleet lost its first "seven" - the EM "Resolute" was thrown by a storm on the stones and broke. Kuznetsov and Gorshkov barely managed to evade responsibility.

[Cyril G ...]

Mr. Ivanov-Oktyabrsky, being a member of the commission, actively demanded that Sergei Georgievich lean against the wall ..... Then there were strange relations with the Soviet admirals ....

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Alexey RA

Shipbuilding on the Amur is limited by the Amur channels

Thank you Alex

[blackice]

And I am worried about something else. Previously, the delivery base was the Vostok ZSO. Now this plant has not existed since 2012. There were no other delivery bases. It turns out that only in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky?

[mmaxx]

Good name. Not that the famous "great" admirals are not clear to whom.

[Ryazan87]

Have you decided to boast about ignorance? You did it.

[mmaxx]

Let's be calmer. Emotionless.
Boast of knowledge. Give the names of all Soviet admiral ships on the list. Let's talk about each. There we determine the erudition.
Names of ships with Russian admirals can not show. There are plenty to choose from.
Although I even have an admin. Makarov raises questions. It would be nice to name some PSS or hydrograph by his name. It'll be cool. And to serve on the newest ship with the name of the admiral of the deceased due to his own incompetence ..., well, somehow strange. That's when he was a lieutenant, that's another matter. In general, the figure is bright, significant, but not for how his name is used now.

[Piramidon]

Quote: mmaxx

Good name. Not that the famous "great" admirals are not clear to whom.

If you do not know them, then this is only from a lack of erudition. No need to flaunt your illiteracy.
Py.Sy. By the way, almost always, one of the VO users uploads a brief biography and the merits of the person in whose honor the ship is named. But you don’t need it. Stick your main comment.

[mmaxx]

In order for your name to be named on board for service in peacetime, something very important must be done. Here is "Nikolai Chiker". This name. I understand everything with him. But this, green trees, a sea tug. And the whole bunch of BODs with the names of understandable admirals .... Isn't it too much? A ship of the first rank ...

[mmaxx]

And further. Who are you talking about? Also to stick a comment?

[Grits]

Quote: mmaxx

Good name. Not that the famous "great" admirals are not clear to whom.

If a simple sailor was awarded the great title to be inscribed on board the ship, along with the great admirals, knowing his feat was serious. Read at your leisure.

[mmaxx]

Which of the Soviet admirals became "great"? Let's go through the list? We will not touch the Russians. In my opinion, the names that can be written on board are Kuznetsov and Gorshkov.
And all sorts of Tributs, Oktyabrsky, Fokins and all sorts of others (I won’t get into directories), I'm sorry here.

[mmaxx]

Yes. And everything is clear to me about Tsydenzhapov. On the contrary, I believe that he is worthy of more than many admirals. He fulfilled his sailor duty.
And according to the admirals: to whom much has been given, much will be asked. And here the questions begin.

[mmaxx]

And there are no complaints to the name of Tsydenzhapov in my comment. Learn to read. Minusators. I would say it more correctly. Banyat.

[FIR FIR]

Which next? This project has been living and developing for 20 years.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: FIR FIR

Which next? This project is 20 years old and lives develops.

Well, the trouble is more that it just DOES NOT DEVELOP, but really, -

Quote: Demagogue

2/3 of the cost of Gorshkov this boat.

over roads, as for a corvette (!), and a citizen who noticed that -

Quote: Starshina

Five years old corvette build is complete ....

in my opinion, absolutely right (!).
Another big question is whether the MF RLK Zaslon will allow the implementation of the Reduta air defense missile system at full range (?!)but 12 cells (!), ammunition about nothing !!. Initially, it was necessary to enter there not 12 Reduta cells (and the sea of ​​electronics that made the project prohibitively expensive) but even better 24 Calm-1 cells, and it would probably be cheaper.

Quote: Demagogue

Just rive them fast

sorry Andrey, but far from fast (!), and here, -

Quote: Demagogue

but the price is clearly overpriced.

I can no longer disagree with you

[Doccor18]

Good news. Seven feet under the keel of the corvette. And the eternal memory of the real Hero Aldar Tsydenzhapov.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Bravo

Bravo good news about seven feet under the keel

Excuse me at all in yourself?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Quote: Bravo

Bravo good news about seven feet under the keel

Excuse me at all in yourself?

This is a nearby troll. Specially brings here present to the polemic with him. Well, such perverted masochists like it when it is watered with slops. What he achieves with his typy inserts. Judge for yourself, can a MENTALLY normal person, spread such crap? Sick person.

[Demagogue]

2/3 of the cost of Gorshkov this boat. They just rivet them quickly, but the price is clearly overpriced.

[Sky strike fighter]

The fleet is generally the most expensive type of force. It is always expensive to build. Again, the seaworthiness of project 22380 is not bad. In addition, 22350 will not be built much, but a fleet is needed.

Corvettes of project 20380, if in a simple way, then small patrol ships - the project of multipurpose ships of the 3rd rank of the near sea zone. Their purpose:

Actions in the near sea zone of the state, combat against surface ships and submarines of the enemy;
Artillery support for amphibious assault during naval amphibious operations by launching missile and artillery attacks on ships and ships at sea and bases;
Patrolling the area of ​​responsibility for the blockade.

Due to the fact that the first ships of the project did not leave the Baltic Sea for a long time, rumors began to circulate about the insufficient seaworthiness of these ships. But after the summer change of command of the Baltic Fleet, it became clear that long-distance cruises are within the power of these ships. And the corvettes proved this by their voyages beyond the Danish straits - the Boikiy and Savvy corvettes successfully completed a three-month "cruise" in the North Atlantic, the Mediterranean Sea and the Indian Ocean.

https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/vse_o_korvetah_proekta_20380_i_ih_modifikaciyah.html

[Demagogue]

Not tired of copy-paste then))

[Sky strike fighter]

So they don’t say later that I came up with something. And then there’s a lot of those who constantly need to prove something. They ask for a reference to confirm the information, so you have to copy it ahead of schedule.

[ApJlekuHo]

To be honest, I’m tired of these mediocrity, generally read on VO, because until recently there was somehow a normal resource, and here they were shit, homosexuals from God ..

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

In addition, 22350 will not be built much

sorry, but explain

[FIR FIR]

This "boat" with a displacement of over 2.000 tons. Permanently based in the hangar of a heavy multipurpose helicopter. With stationary air defense systems and long-range missile systems. As for the price, the hull costs no more than 12% of the cost of a modern ship, the rest is "stuffing" ...

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: FIR FIR

This "boat" with a displacement of over 2.000 tons. Permanently based in the hangar of a heavy multipurpose helicopter. With stationary air defense systems and long-range missile systems. As for the price, the hull costs no more than 12% of the cost of a modern ship, the rest is "stuffing" ...

For the sake of fairness, it must be said that the KR Caliber is available only for 20385. Project 20385 - modernization of 20380. Ammunition of the Redut anti-aircraft missile system has been increased from 12 to 16 cells. The Kh-35 "Uran" anti-ship missiles have been replaced with 8 Caliber-NK missiles.

[Demagogue]

"Long-range air defense system" there bullshit with Doppler radar against afar on pot. Gus minotaur against the vignette is also earth and sky. There is no displacement for normal operation of the helicopter while rolling. And so everything is great.

[Sky strike fighter]

"Long-range air defense system" there bullshit with Doppler radar against afar on pot.

There is a new multifunctional radar barrier.

New radar stations with three stationary canvases in the form of an experiment will be installed on two project 20380 corvettes - Aldar Tsydenzhapov and Rezky.

On old ship radars, the radar picture is interrupted due to the fact that the transmit-receive unit rotates. The new technology is much more efficient - it enables military radar operators to receive an accurate and continuous picture on the station’s screens. Thanks to such abilities, the radar allows you to confidently and at a much greater distance to detect and identify low-flying and small-sized targets. New radars will also be “farther” than their predecessors.

Such features of the stations will allow air defense systems to confidently fight cruise missiles, which fly most of the way to the target at low altitude. The detection efficiency of small drones that are often lost among radar “noise” —the interference caused by the atmosphere or the enemy — will also increase.

https://iz.ru/903506/aleksei-ramm-bogdan-stepovoi/bit-pervym-novye-korvety-poluchat-unikalnye-radary

[Demagogue]

There Pfar Furke stands. If 60x technology is new to you ... With it, Shell in Libya has already excelled.
But Barrier went not far from there. Afar, which 1m2 epr detects 75 km, is something. Stealth with 20380 only Ols
will see in general.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Demagogue

"Long-range air defense system" there bullshit with Doppler radar against afar on pot. Gus minotaur against the vignette is also earth and sky. There is no displacement for normal operation of the helicopter while rolling. And so everything is great.

agree (!).
In general, in order to bring military shipbuilding to a new level, it is perhaps necessary to do three things at first.
1) - to intensify the work with the "Zvezda-Reducer", on a more rhythmic release of the PO55P gearboxes !!, in order to be able to increase the 22350.1 series, and the speed of building these frigates.
2) - Kolomna highlight his curator (Beria. L.P., preferably) to activate, control the targeted use of funds, and as quickly as possible launch into mass production the promising 16SD-500 (!)... Then, having created from it a "quadruple GEM" (by analogy with DDA-12000), equip her with the main new escort TFR (a cross between the project "Thunder" 12441 (according to its VI, about 3000 tons), etc. 11664 (on the design and layout of weapons systems) ...
3) - Remove from the "Sharp-witted" power plant, send to the "Kronstadt plant" or "Metalist-Samara" (made on the basis of one of these enterprises) - center for offshore gas turbine engine building and gear assembly !!. There, disassemble the power plant (including gearboxes) to the cogs, and learn how to create a similar power plant !!!. This will be, firstly, the experience of creating its own gas turbine power plant in 72000 hp. (!). Secondly, there is an opinion that it is easier to create gearboxes for identical (pairs of engines among themselves) than for different types of turbines (or diesel engines), because they initially give the same rotation speed (!). (this is also important for paragraph 2)..).
Thus, after 2-3-4 years, USC may have a real opportunity to release immediately (parallel) three types of power plant, for combat ships of the main classes (!), various VI: let's say a quad diesel from 16SD-500, for VI ships of about 3000 t, the second "Gorshkovskaya" for fr. 22350.1, and the third for EM at 6500-7500 t. (!). So for example, Chinese EM 052D? drags (diesel-gas-turbine) power plants in 65000 hp, not 72000 (!).
Such is the opinion ...

[Local from the Volga]

Samara metalhead, what are you talking about! there they couldn’t even make a center of competence for cameras! He is dead!

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: FIR FIR

With stationary air defense systems and long-range missiles

why are you posting stupidity?

[mmaxx]

For me, this is how ours finally realized that the need for a helicopter on such ships is very good. And it costs a lot.

[avg]

Quote: Demagogue

2/3 of the cost of Gorshkov this boat. They just rivet them quickly, but the price is clearly overpriced.

One-room apartment is also about 2/3 of the three-room apartment, because there is a complete set of infrastructure.

[Arthur 85]

H'm. Well, one must think, two "Auroras" cost as one "Suvorov" (I give an example from RI, because you have a White Guard on your avatar). Does this mean that Auroras are not needed, and the fleet should consist exclusively of EBR?

[bayard]

Quote: Arthur 85

Well, one must think, two "Auroras"

Sorry, but a very bad example. This type of cruiser was disabled from birth and its combat value has always tended to zero (except in October 1917. ). Now, if you mentioned "Bogatyr", "Askold" or at worst "Novik", then of course - yes.
And from the actual news itself, it is already encouraging that this ship was built only 5 years. It means that the Amur Shipyard comes to life, goes to the pace (until it comes out - such ships can be built in 3 - 3,5 years). Give him God and MO order for the expected ANOTHER 10 such corvettes.

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: bayard

Give him God and MO order for the expected ANOTHER 10 such corvettes

Gd will give, it can work out with a contract for a series of project 20380 corvettes. Pacific Fleet needs them very much.

[Arthur 85]

Yes, of course, I am in favor of any replenishment for the Navy: from aircraft carriers to patrol boats, just Aurora first came to mind (and by the way, she survived under Tsushima, which is kind of a fact in her biography). Bogatyr, this is an armored cruiser, two of these will cost more than the Suvorov. I don’t remember what he was about Askold.
God forbid, of course, but, given that the Dreadnought was built a year ... In general, there is much to strive for.

[bayard]

Quote: Arthur 85

Bogatyr, this is an armored cruiser, two of these will cost more than the Suvorov.

"Suvorov" in a complete set cost at least 15 million rubles. , "Bogatyr" was conditionally armored - weapons at the level of "Varyag" and the same "Askold" - 12 x 6 "guns. It cost about 6 million rubles. But the speed - 24,3 knots, and" Askold " generally 24,5 - 24 knots.
"Novik" cost in general some 2 million rubles.
And all this with excellent German quality (all three cruisers were built in Germany), in contrast to the problematic "Varyag" in terms of boilers and the "Bayan", which had a poor speed.
And the time of construction of the "dreadnought" does not include the time of its construction (and it went) before the official laying (several months), and the indicated time is the time of construction BEFORE launching. Finishing the building afloat and finishing up to the moment of delivery took significantly longer than building on the slipway before the descent.
But the pace of construction at that time was really impressive. We only reached such a speed of construction (on the slipway) by 1905, and even then for a serial ship - "Slava" (the last of the "Borodino" type) was built quite at the English pace ... but was late for the war.

[Arthur 85]

So he was wrong. But still, I think, Nissin + Kassuga were more expensive than Mikasa. I just wanted to say that small ships are also needed.
I read about the Dreadnought. There they also "unscrewed" the towers from some battleship. That is, they used the reserve for its construction. But all the same, in those days, these ships were baked like pies.

[bayard]

Quote: Arthur 85

But still, I think, Nissin + Kassuga were more expensive than Mikasa.

I think about the same. The displacement of the Mikasa was 15 tons, and the Garribaldi-class cruiser was 000 tons each. And at that time the price of the ship was calculated based on VI. In addition, the sale of these cruisers could be at a discount - because the main customer refused them. And in terms of speed, they significantly lagged behind the terms of reference, having a speed of 7 knots according to the project, in reality they did not give out more than 500 - 20 knots. Therefore, they gave them to the squadron of battleships, because in the Kamimura squadron they could not keep the squadron speed.

[Demagogue]

What ebras are there? Ebro in modern conditions is at least udk / light aircraft carrier. Battleship.
Pots frigate. In many fleets, all that are below the frigate are just watchtowers / mine loaders / hunters for pl.
Corvette guard should be cheap. Karakurt with a minotaur is cheap, but it's a miracle with ancient electronics, it's complete garbage. Invest in obsolete technology, crank up a missile system that is not particularly needed for this boat. I drank the usual one.

[Arthur 85]

But in the United States or Brazil, some do not saw? Is it really so? Or remember RI, Alexey Alexandrovich did not saw?

[Demagogue]

We discussed a specific ship, not the lynching of blacks in America.
This particular pointless drank.

In RI sawed of course, sawed everywhere. But at the same time, the first ranks were built, not the destroyers. Since the time of RI, we have not built a single full-fledged battleship, neither battleships, nor aircraft carriers. Maximum cruisers and light aircraft carriers.

[Arthur 85]

Well, why, and the Eagles with the Glories?

[Demagogue]

Eagles to put it mildly on a battleship do not pull. Even before WWII, they were dead by tonnage in comparison with new battleships. Less Sevastopol, which was built in the Republic of Ingushetia before the PMV. Glory is very small.

According to their capabilities, the Eagles in the era of aviation supremacy at sea also never pulled. Aircraft is the main means of warfare at sea, everything else is just an auxiliary function. The maximum role of the auxiliary ship in the warrant. Ulyanovsk was closest to the battleship. But it was not built. It finally came to the USSR that there were enough senseless piles of scrap metal to rivet, but it was already in the spring and the Christmas tree could be brought back to the forest.

[Arthur 85]

As they say, I want to find fault, and not what. True, if the USSR had completed the satellite control system, then the Granites could be regarded as a swarm of disposable UAVs, and the Eagles would become quasi-aircraft carriers, but ... If so.

[Demagogue]

The USSR lost everything in the late 70s, when the Americans broke away electronically. And now everything depends on her darling only. Gorshkov in this regard is our only achievement. Modern frigate. Not without flaws, but the Gorshkovs only need to be built. And the corvettes are cheap with minotaurs, a lot. It is possible without a sight, it is not needed there. And we are building an incomprehensible zoo. It would be cheaper to invest heavily in the production of engines than to build meaningless barges with calibers for which there is no tsu. Ideal Corvette Swedish Visby. Subtle, with water cannons, with excellent gus. Cheap. But cheap is not profitable to build. So the brains are powdered by the authorities and the layman with the number of caliber and missile launchers installed on the corvette. And why is it all there, no one analyzes. The main force on the sea is airplanes, but the fleet does not have them. Neither drills from afar, nor helicopters and planes are modern, nor stealth drummers. And everything is fine.

[starshina]

Five years old corvette build is complete ....

[petrol cutter]

Will you build faster ?! Drawings in your hands! ..

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Petrol cutter

Will you build faster ?! Drawings in your hands !.

my respect, uv. Vitaly, but in the USSR, the BOD 1155 (with a much larger VI, and at that time modern weapon systems) was still built ?! Fact, don't you find ?!

[bayard]

Greetings to Vladimir.
And yet 5 years, this is already progress in comparison with previous dates, especially for the Amur Shipyard. If there is an order for another 10 such corvettes, then you look, and will be released for 3 - 3,5 years.
I’m scared to guess at a higher pace - I wouldn’t jinx it.

[petrol cutter]

"Fact, don't you think ?!"
Of course I find. I even found those times a little.
Do you understand what the matter is? It's hard to explain, you have to "cook" in this kitchen. When building a ship, any collective (simple workers at shipbuildings) is strongly interested in the maximum speed of its construction. After all, this is a salary!
But! I am back after seventeen years of hiatus in this industry. And what do I see ?! Systemically / not systemically, but labor collectives on the "ground" cannot accelerate. Constant supply disruptions to everything. From metal to tools. Constant "mess" in the drawings. People did the job, then the changes came! Now it's all cut out and done over again. The team has a question - who will pay for this? ...
Oh ... I can talk for hours across the depths of our depths ....

[petrol cutter]

Interesting photo. I see this for the first time.

[Bashkirkhan]

Here is another photo of "Aldar Tsydenzhapov" from a quadrocopter.

[Bashkirkhan]

In general, you can watch the video.

[Aleksandr123]

"NATO considers Project 20380 too large for corvettes, and defines them as frigates."
Yeah, the adversaries were scared. And our frigates will seem to them cruisers!

[Escobar]

Scared? Are you seriously? Or are you one of the jingoistic patriots? Rather, to knock out money to "repel the growing Russian threat"

[Orca]

Quote: Gritsa

on the bank of Zeya, you still have to disassemble for a further transportation so a few tens of kilometers. - on the ground.

Hmm ... you have to definitely do something. There are 3 bridges in Blagoveshchensk: 2 automobile - through the Amur to China, and through Zeya directly from Blagoveshchensk to the left bank of the river and one railway bridge through Zeya just above Blagoveshchensk. The channel of the Amur River above Khabarovsk, and Zeya above Blagoveshchensk, has such sharp turns and turns that such a load of barges can be lifted at least to the town of Svobodny, from which it still needs to be delivered to Vostochny, to which there are still several tens of kilometers from Svobodny ., only over large water. But then other questions come up to their full height - will there be a barge under bridges in the Blagoveshchensk area during a possible seasonal flood, and will there be this very flood that provides the necessary water level, or rather, the required river depth, to guide this barge. And by the way, somewhere on the bank of Zeya, it’s hardly possible to disassemble the platform for its further transportation by land, except in the Amur backwater in Blagoveshchensk, or in Svobodny - only there it is possible to fit a more or less suitable technique to the river.
Threat. I live here, in the Far East, and therefore I know some of its subtleties and fatnesses.