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Ram and boarding during the Second World War

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With the lightning-fast developing technologies of the XNUMXth century during the construction of ships, various tactical methods of naval battles of bygone centuries on the eve of World War II seemed to be long gone. Boarding, ram, extremely close range of fire contact ... But, as shown история, in order to achieve their goal, the warring parties were ready for anything, and the last boarding using cold weapons, and the battering ram also fell not at the time of the sailing fleet and pirates.


One of the first and most famous episodes of World War II was the incident with the ship "Altmark".

In February 1940, the German tanker Altmark entered neutral Norwegian waters. He transported 299 British prisoners of war captured from British merchant ships in the Atlantic, crew members sunk by the German raider Admiral Graf Spee. Chased on the heels by British destroyers, he tried to take refuge in the Jössing Fjord in southwestern Norway.

Ram and boarding during the Second World War

The British, suggesting that the ship would carry British prisoners, demanded that the Norwegians search the ship. Fearing to risk their neutral status, the Norwegians reluctantly agreed. On the morning of February 14, the Altmark was stopped by a Norwegian patrol torpedo boat. A Norwegian officer boarded with the intention of searching the ship. He was led to the bridge, and the German captain Heinrich Dau assured that the ship was an unarmed tanker. The Norwegian officer was satisfied with what was said and left the ship. This action is understandable in the context of that time. Norway was a neutral country, although it knew the assumption that Altmark was transporting British prisoners, therefore violating its neutrality, it was also afraid of an invasion from Germany and therefore did not want to aggravate relations.

On February 16, 1940, the destroyer "Cossack" (HMS Cossack), under the command of Captain 1st Rank Philip Vian, following the order of the First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill, entered the Jössingfjord, thereby violating the territorial waters of Norway. The prize crew from the ship (HMS Cossack), armed with boarding sabers and bayonets, landed on the Altmark.


As a result of a short skirmish, seven German team members were killed and five wounded, the prisoners were released. This was the last recorded use of this type of weapon in the Royal Navy boarding operation.

The Altmark team was left on board. During the attack, Altmark tried to ram the Cossack, but ran aground, and subsequently was able to independently reach the German port.

The Altmark incident was definitely a violation of Norway’s neutrality in both the UK and Germany. Neutral countries could no longer be sure of their integrity in the ensuing war. The British were encouraged by decisive action, while Hitler was furious and ordered that plans for Operation Weatherbung (the invasion of Scandinavia) be accelerated.

The Altmark, renamed the Uckermark on 6 August 1940, continued to be used as an auxiliary and supply vessel. November 30, 1942, while in the port of Yokohama, as a result of a spark during repair work in the fuel tanks, there was an explosion that tore the Uckermark apart. As a result of the catastrophe, 53 crew members were killed, "Tor" and "Nanjing", standing next to each other, were damaged and sank. The surviving members of the Ukkermarka crew went home on the Kriegsmarine's auxiliary vessel Doggerbank. On March 3, 1943, the Doggerbank was mistakenly attacked by the German submarine U-43 and sank. Only one (out of 365) people on board survived.

The destroyer "Cossack" (HMS Cossack) on October 23, 1941 was damaged by a torpedo explosion after the attack of the German submarine U-563. As a result of the explosion, the bow of the ship was torn off, the captain and 158 members of the destroyer crew were killed. On October 25, a tugboat leaving Gibraltar took the Cossack in tow, but as a result of a storm on October 27, 1941, the Cossack sank in the Atlantic west of Gibraltar.


Altmark in the Yossing Fjord

The naval battle at Cape Matapan is little known in Russia, although in the West it is one of the most famous clashes at sea in World War II.

On March 28, 1941, the Pola, a heavy cruiser of the Royal Italian Navy, was damaged by a torpedo of an English torpedo bomber during the battle and lost its course.


"Paula"

At night, the British destroyer Hevok fired a lighting projectile and found a cruiser standing idle, swaying slightly on a weak wave. Soon, the Greyhound and the Griffin joined the Havok, then the destroyer JMS (HMS Jervis) came up to the board of the Paula. The Jervis prize team landed on the Pola, having met no resistance from the Italians.

This situation can be called boarding at a stretch, but as it was, it was.


Jervis

The Jervis took 258 people out of more than 1000 crew members, including the captain, off the Pola, the rest jumped overboard after the cruiser got hit by a torpedo in the boiler room. According to the British, the cruiser did not have “a shadow of order and discipline”, a considerable part of the prisoners was drunk, officers' cabins were looted by sailors, the deck “littered with personal belongings and bottles.” These allegations of the British were later refuted by Italians and were called "British propaganda."

Regretfully abandoning the idea of ​​towing a ship, the cruiser was sunk by two torpedoes.

The destroyer "Jervis" (HMS Jervis) during his career went through the whole war. Fights accompanied by convoys, Sirte, landing in Sicily, battles in the Aegean Sea, landing at Anzio, landing in Normandy. He was seriously injured several times, but none of the crew members died or was injured in battle.

The battle on a stormy night on November 1, 1943 between the American destroyer Bori (DD-215 Borie) and the German submarine U-405 in the waters of the North Atlantic is described in the article “The Battle in the Atlantic. A ram in the night ”, where during the battle a ram was also used, small arms, knives and even shell shells.

But the battle between the Buckley destroyer (DE-51USS Buckley) and the U-66 submarine, when the submarine crew, seemingly in a hopeless situation, only miraculously did not capture the ship, was more unusual.

By May 6, 1944, for nine patrols on account of U-66, a large ocean-going German submarine of type IX-C, there were thirty-three sunk vessels (200 gross). The boat left on its tenth and final expedition on January 021, 16 under the command of Lieutenant Gerhard Seehausen.


"U-66"

Together with U-66, three more boats went on a hike. The group’s goal is to disrupt the enemy’s marine communications off the coast of West Africa. In 1944, the Allies practically deprived the boat commanders of the opportunity not only to open an account in the campaign, but also to reach the place of patrol. The times of brilliant successes of the wolf packs have long passed. Improved radar design, increased maritime composition aviation, multiple anti-submarine search and strike groups - all this critically complicated the life of German submariners in the Atlantic, which a couple of years ago was almost their undivided estate.

At one o'clock in the morning of May 1, the acoustics of the Block Island escort aircraft carrier (CVE-21 USS “Block Island”), who led the US Navy tactical group 21.11 (TG 21.11), again detected the signal from U-66. A torpedo bomber Grumman TBF Avenger flew up from the deck of the escort in the night sky, which made radar contact and attacked the boat with depth charges. Bombs fell by, the ships of the group TG 21.11 began the pursuit of U-66, which lasted five days.

In the daytime, the submarine barely crawled underwater on electric motors, and with the onset of darkness made attempts to break away in the water position. But by the evening of May 5, the fuel reserves were completely exhausted, the batteries were almost exhausted, and I had to float up. A mark appeared on the radar screens of TG 21.11 ships, but the contact immediately disappeared. It was U-66, which also detected the enemy and immediately went to the depths. At 2 a.m. on May 6, the boat nevertheless surfaced again.

At 02:16, the Avenger reconnaissance aircraft, equipped with radar, made contact again. The boat was on the surface about 20 miles from the Buckley. Data from the aircraft was transmitted over the radio, pointing the destroyer at the target. It was decided not to open fire until the very last moment.


Buckley

Suddenly, three red rockets fired from the U-66 suddenly flashed in the sky. Was this a challenge, or did Seehausen still hope that it was the U-188, which he had been waiting for a few days ago for refueling? Lieutenant Commander B. M. Abel, captain of the Buckley, did not have time to think.

At 03:20, having opened fire from the bow guns, the destroyer set off in pursuit. German submariners immediately returned fire and, squeezing the remaining fuel, tried to leave. The very first salvo of the bow-mounted 76-mm Buckley guns hit the target. Fixed hit in the starboard side under the cabin of the boat and instead of installing 105-mm guns. The return fire of the anti-aircraft machine guns of the submarine was dense, but tracer shells passed over the heads of the destroyer personnel. Fire from the deck gun of the submarine damaged the Buckley chimney. The personnel reported on the torpedo track, passing on the starboard side. 20-mm and 40-mm destroyer shells tore the cabin of the submarine. The fire from the submarine was weakened, with the exception of intermittent short bursts. The U-66 quickly maneuvered at a speed of about 19 knots, obviously trying to fire another torpedo from the stern guns, but without making any attempt to dive.

At some point, the Buckley and the U-66 caught up, walking in parallel courses. American commandants firing at a distance of only 20 yards, the boat is fired from the bow to the stern of 20 mm and 40 mm machine gun fire at point blank range. Then Abel ordered the helmsman to put the steering wheel on board.

The situation repeats, as in the case of Bori and U-405. The submarine and the ship firmly interlocked. But the crew of the U-66 were quick. Having got out of the hatches and stuck around the wheelhouse, they opened fire from machine guns and pistols. At some point, the sailors on the Buckley were forced to hide. And then the Americans were literally dumbfounded by surprise. The assault group of the submarine, shaking their weapons, climbed aboard the destroyer in an attempt to board it!

"Stand By to Repel Boarders!" ("Standing in places, reflecting boarding!") - Abel commanded. The team seemed to emerge from the clubs of gunpowder smoke of previous centuries. Everything that was at hand went into action: knives, shell shells and even coffee mugs. Finally, having received rifles and hand grenades, the destroyer team manages to fight off the submariners, captivating five. Hand grenades flew from the Buckley deck, one of which explodes in the open hatch of the submarine’s conning tower. By this time, the bow of the destroyer had slid off the deck of the boat. The submarine turns to the left, and then sharply jerked to the right to ram the destroyer. The hull of the ship shuddered in shock. The Buckley turned away a little, and then again went straight onto the boat. Three direct hits from 76-mm guns in the wheelhouse. The submarine disappears beneath the surface of the water with an open conning tower hatch and fire blazing from it, apparently completely abandoned and out of control. At 03:39 a deep, deep underwater explosion was heard, followed by smaller explosions. U-66 finally sank. Over the next three hours, the Buckley moved slowly around the area, collecting a total of thirty-six surviving submariners, including four officers.


At midnight on May 7, the damaged Buckley retired to New York, where it underwent repairs until June 14, 1944.


Buckley Team

The Buckley destroyer (DE-51USS Buckley) went through the entire war. He participated in the sinking of the German U-879 submarine on April 19, 1945, was expelled from the US Navy in 1968 and sold for scrap in July 1969.

On August 28, 1942, in the Caribbean, the Canadian Oakville Corvette (HMCS Oakville) rammed a U-94 submarine three times.


U-94

Due to the damage caused by the bombardment from the Catalina plane, which covered the TAW-15 convoy from the air, ramming and shelling from Oakville, the commander of the submarine, Lieutenant Otto Ites, assessing the situation as hopeless, ordered the crew to leave the boat. Canadians even landed on a boat in an attempt to capture code tables and Enigma, but did not succeed.


Oakville captain Clarence King in December 1942 was awarded the Order of Outstanding Merit for the sinking of U-94. A World War I veteran, Clarence King already had the Outstanding Merit Cross after serving on trap vessels for submarines. In 1944, he participated in the sinking of four other German submarines: U-845, U-448, U-311 and U-247, and was re-awarded the Cross for Outstanding Merits.


Oakville Corvette

Otto Ites was held captive by the Americans until the spring of 1946. He continued his service in the Bundesmarin (Federal Republic of Germany). He retired in 1977 with the rank of rear admiral.

History has preserved many cases of successful ramming by the forces of the USSR Navy during the Second World War.

On December 8, 1944, at 22 pm, the Zhivuchiy destroyer destroyer under the command of H. D. Ryabchenko (Northern Fleet) discovered a submarine in the area of ​​Porchnichy Bay by radar. Increasing the stroke to 45 knots, he began to approach her. Two torpedoes were fired at the attacking destroyer from the submarine. From them, "Tenacious" managed to evade, and then rammed the boat with a bow, breaking through its sturdy hull from the port side. Having reversed, opened artillery fire. After the boat began to sink, three series of depth bombs were dropped from the destroyer. As a result of a combined strike (ram, artillery, depth charges), the enemy boat U-24 was sunk. But the main role in this was played by a successfully executed ram.
(CVMA, f. 11, d. 23129, l. 120-121.)


In the sinking of U-387, not everything is clear. In Soviet historical writings, the death of U-387 was attributed to the destroyer Zhivuchiy (3rd rank captain ND Ryabchenko). The British believe that they sunk the boat with depth charges from the HMS Bamborough Castle corvette. Perhaps N.D. Ryabchenko attacked U-1163, which was in the same square and was also attacked in time by almost a minute per minute, as in the episode with U-387.

Be that as it may, N.D. Ryabchenko was awarded the Order of Nakhimov, II degree, for attacking a submarine.



The U-578 submarine received serious damage as a result of the ram. On November 25, 1941, the patrol ship Breeze, under the command of Lieutenant V. A. Kireev, while on patrol, found an enemy submarine marching on the surface and attacked it.


“A Bold Ram at Sea,” Pravda newspaper, December 5, 1941

Although the "battering ram" and "boarding" seem terribly old and out of date, but as history shows, they are still used during sea battles.

Based on:
Roscoe Theodore. In the battle with the "wolf packs." US destroyers: war in the Atlantic.
weapons-world.ru
pomnivoinu.ru
uboatarchive.net
navalmatters.wordpress.com
en.wikipedia.org
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  1. Comrade
    Comrade 7 June 2020 05: 17 New
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    The article is interesting and informative, thanks!
    It may be worth mentioning a few French ships, since crew members of British warships took part in their capture. For example, the group to capture the world's largest submarine "Surcouf" included British officers from the submarines "Thames" and "Rorqual".
    The British seized the battleship Courbet in Portsmouth on July 1940, XNUMX, the next day in Plymouth the turn of the battleship Paris, the counter-destroyer Le Triomphant and the destroyer Mistral arrived. The capture groups were mixed, except for the marines and soldiers, the British included there their sailors from warships.
    Some French ships in Canadian ports were also raided by the British and captured.

    According to the British, the cruiser did not have “a shadow of order and discipline”, a considerable part of the prisoners was drunk, officers' cabins were looted by sailors, the deck “littered with personal belongings and bottles.” These allegations of the British were later refuted by Italians and were called "British propaganda."

    It is possible that this is black PR, the British will become. In the First World War, they accused the commander of the German cruiser "Emden" that after the battle at Penang he gave the order to shoot the captured sailors from the sunken French fighter "Mousquet", although in fact the Germans saved their lives and specifically looked for a merchant ship. where the prisoners could be transferred.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 7 June 2020 07: 07 New
      +8
      It is possible that this is a black PR, the British will

      You know, but I quite believe that everything was exactly as described. You can imagine at least for a second a similar situation with the heavy cruiser of any other of the powers participating in this war. I can not. The destroyer boarded a heavy cruiser! And he, having fully operational airborne armament, allowed him to approach his side. Nonsense!

      PS About the fact that the British accused von Müller of war crimes from you for the first time, I read exactly the opposite: the First Lord of the Admiralty ordered not to take away personal weapons from the commander and officers of "Emden".
      1. bubalik
        7 June 2020 14: 17 New
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        Sea Cat (Constantine)

        ,,, looking at these pictures, were they really held captive or were they made for propaganda purposes?
        ,,, the crew of U-352 in captivity. South Carolina, 1942

        1. Comrade
          Comrade 7 June 2020 17: 48 New
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          Quote: bubalik
          But looking at these pictures, were they really held captive or were they made for propaganda purposes? crew of U-352 in captivity. South Carolina, 1942

          Judging by some details, this is a hospital, not a prisoner of war camp.
          In the camps, there was no question of American waiters; German and Italian prisoners of war were involved, judging by numerous photographs, in various works.
          Judging by their flowering appearance, they were fed well.
          In the photo - the issuance of food allowances. On the left, a representative of the camp administration, according to the list, supplies food to prisoners. The bread is magnificent, well baked. On the shelves of canned food, including pineapple slices.


          General view of one of the prisoner of war camps in Texas.
          1. bubalik
            7 June 2020 17: 58 New
            +4
            Judging by some details, this is a hospital,

            ,,, they are based on Charleston
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 7 June 2020 17: 52 New
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          I really don’t think the statement. If the Americans decided to make an advertisement for themselves, then at the table with the Germans there would certainly be some kind of congressman or senator, and as a side dish, of course, girls from the strip show. wink
          1. bubalik
            7 June 2020 17: 58 New
            +5
            And how do you like it
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 7 June 2020 18: 32 New
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              As I understand it, this is the deck of a "civilian steamer", not a battleship. On the left buoy, the name of the vessel ODENVALD and the home port of GAMBURG (obviously), on the right buoy, no matter how I tried, I could not read anything.
              It looks like a prize team of American sailors aboard the captured trophy. And it was a tradition not only among them, but also among the Germans to hang flags of sunken (or captured) enemy ships. So there is nothing surprising, let alone "seditious" in this photo.
              1. bubalik
                7 June 2020 18: 36 New
                +5
                then the deck of the "civilian steamer"

                ships ODENVALD

                prize crew of American sailors on board the captured trophy

                Hats off, bravo hi
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          2. Phil77
            Phil77 7 June 2020 18: 37 New
            +4
            Quote: Sea Cat
            girls from strip show.

            Good evening, Konstantin! Only these are cheerleaders, not strippers! There is a difference.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 7 June 2020 18: 43 New
              +1
              Only cheerleaders, not strippers! There is a difference.

              There is no bed, I agree! laughing

              American standard.
            2. Alf
              Alf 7 June 2020 20: 43 New
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              Quote: Phil77
              Only these are cheerleaders, not strippers!

              Who cares ? laughing
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 8 June 2020 13: 23 New
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                Insignificant. Cheerleaders have the task of entertaining the audience during the break of a sporting event with a perky, mischievous dance. And strippers strip as a rule a slow dance. Well, you probably saw it? laughing
                1. Alf
                  Alf 8 June 2020 20: 51 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Phil77
                  Well, you probably saw it?

                  Saw, of course. The second is more interested. laughing
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 10 June 2020 20: 27 New
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                    Ha ha ha ha! I won’t hide me either! good
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 10 June 2020 20: 54 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Phil77
                      Ha ha ha ha! I won’t hide me either! good

                      Mine periodically suits this, it is impossible to resist. good
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 10 June 2020 21: 00 New
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                        And why not? Beautiful! The beauty of the female body, it's ...... it's just BEAUTIFUL! tongue
                      2. Alf
                        Alf 10 June 2020 21: 03 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Phil77
                        And why not? Beautiful! The beauty of the female body, it's ...... it's just BEAUTIFUL! tongue

                        Yes, you can’t argue against Mother Nature.
    2. Comrade
      Comrade 7 June 2020 17: 27 New
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      Quote: Sea Cat
      About the fact that the British accused von Muller of war crimes I hear from you for the first time

      The fact that the Allies accused von Muller of shooting French prisoners of war was written by Gary Staff, a famous Australian explorer of the history of World War I at sea.
      This is not about official accusations from the leadership of the allied fleets, but about hysteria in the media of England and France about the actions of the cruiser "Emden".
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 7 June 2020 17: 32 New
        +2
        It is ..... about hysteria in the media of England and France ...

        Well then everything is clear - the press, it is for that the press ... laughing
  2. Civil
    Civil 8 June 2020 08: 14 New
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    Article fire! No one wanted to give in. The Italian cruiser certainly could not tow.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 7 June 2020 05: 56 New
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    Thank you for the article hi but the torpedo cannot be "fired from the stern guns", as you say in your text! There is no weapon in the world capable of shooting torpedoes, a torpedo tube is enough for this hi !
    1. bubalik
      7 June 2020 07: 32 New
      +9
      one torpedo from stern guns
      hi ,, you are right of course from torpedo tubes yes
  • Catfish
    Catfish 7 June 2020 06: 18 New
    +3
    Sergey, good morning and best wishes! hi
    I am very glad that you again pleased us with your work, Thank you! fellow
    Again, I slept overnight and already decided to go to bed, went to the side, and then a meeting with you.
    Now, until I read it, I will not lie down. smile
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 7 June 2020 09: 11 New
      +2
      * Night-time hunting and entertainment for the representatives of the cat tribe ... * laughing laughing laughing Hi Konstantin!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 7 June 2020 17: 34 New
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        Hello, Sergey! Good morning, at least for me. laughing
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 7 June 2020 06: 58 New
    0
    think about the Motherland before, and then about yourself ... words from a song ...
  • Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 7 June 2020 07: 41 New
    +3
    Although the "battering ram" and "boarding" seem terribly old and out of date, but as history shows, they are still used during sea battles.

    And not only during the battle.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 7 June 2020 17: 43 New
      +1
      My friend served at our SKR just at that time. After the demobilization, he told the details of this meeting.
      1. Saxahorse
        Saxahorse 8 June 2020 22: 45 New
        +2
        For such cases, it was necessary to keep a pair of "Svetlans", meet dear guests. That would be where their armor belt would come in handy :))
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 7 June 2020 08: 23 New
    +5
    Great feature article!
    Thank you, Sergey!
    1. bubalik
      7 June 2020 08: 59 New
      +5
      Anton hi In fact, there were much more such situations, for all participants in the war. The above cases are the most famous.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 7 June 2020 09: 13 New
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        Hi Sergey! Thank you. I read it with great interest. I liked the article. hi
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 7 June 2020 09: 16 New
        +4
        In any case, those studies that you conduct are very interesting! And the documents given in the comments, and even more so!
        described in the article “Struggle in the Atlantic. Ram in the night
        I caught my eye. Perhaps it makes sense to ask about the mechanism for allocating links to your own articles? For, as far as I remember, the indicated material required considerable efforts.
      3. Phil77
        Phil77 7 June 2020 09: 17 New
        +5
        Yes, I had a question about the incident with Lieutenant Kireev. After two hits in the hull of the boat, he went to ram. Why? Are there any details of this battle? hi
        1. bubalik
          7 June 2020 09: 36 New
          +5
          SKR-25 "Breeze" (RT-58 "Spartak")

          Sergey, here are the details of the battle.
          http://history-doc.ru/pervyj-taran/
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 7 June 2020 09: 45 New
            +4
            Yeah, thanks! I went and read it.
            He still had time to choose where to hit!
            But the boat, he still did not sink. Lucky submariners!
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 7 June 2020 09: 47 New
            +4
            But if he had under the command * Olympic *, the U-578 would certainly have been full * kirdyk *! laughing
            1. bubalik
              7 June 2020 10: 13 New
              +7
              On January 29, 1943, the Japanese submarine I-1 was sunk and wrecked by the New Zealand sea trawlers Kiwi and Moa in shallow water in Kamimbo Bay, Guadalcanal, during Operation Ke. A submarine weighing 2135 tons, two minesweepers of 607 tons each.

              Three times rammed Kiwi with its hull drifting I-1. The I-1 commander with the calculation of a 120-mm deck gun took the battle with the approaching New Zealand corvettes Kiwi and Moa. As a result of the battle, all those on deck I-1 died, the mortally wounded commander Sakamoto fell overboard and drowned. His deputy in the darkness of night threatened the enemy belay a saber removed from its sheath.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 7 June 2020 10: 51 New
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                Quote: bubalik
                His deputy in the darkness of night threatened an enemy pulled from its scabbard

                I think my friend Nikolai will be pleased with the Japanese samurai’s presence! laughing soldier
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 7 June 2020 17: 40 New
                +2
                the deputy in the darkness of night threatened the belay opponent with a saber pulled out of its scabbard.

                Yeah, as in that joke: "... with a bare heel on a checker."
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 7 June 2020 10: 28 New
    +7
    I immediately remembered the film "Caravan PQ-17" and an episode from it with a Soviet sea hunter going to ram a German submarine, and in fact a tug ... Always in this place goosebumps ..
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 7 June 2020 10: 43 New
      +4
      Right! I also remembered this episode! hi
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 7 June 2020 11: 21 New
    +5
    Great article! Thank! More like that ..
  • Tests
    Tests 8 June 2020 14: 03 New
    +5
    bubalik (Sergey), dear, enormous thanks for the article! In the morning my wife and I went once again to receive a referral for a blood test, but they spent only almost 2 hours on the analysis itself, a mess in the 3rd polyclinic of the city hospital 2 in Severodvinsk, our cards were lost somewhere once again, although now the city hospital 2 is covid hospital. Hungry and angry I came home, drank coffee and turned on my laptop - your article, like a shock dose of antibiotics on my covid lungs - got great pleasure from the article and comments. My Soviet childhood was spent in the closed Severodvinsk and I did not learn English at school because of stupidity, thought that he would never be useful to me. At the institute, they forced me to learn the language a little, but, unfortunately, I don't read fluently, I don't know much about history. Friends, I learn a lot from the comments, thank you everyone! In my Soviet childhood, there was a set of artistic postcards about the exploits of the Northern Fleet in the Great Patriotic War, on the front side there were reshoots of oil paintings painted, and on the back - a description of the feat. One postcard was dedicated to the ramming of the submarine SKRom "Breeze".
    Sergey and all dear commentators! Maybe someone somewhere read about the transportation of people and goods across the White Sea during the 1942 navigation from Arkhangelsk to the Murmansk region and Karelia on boats "Kawasaki", I will be glad to receive any information.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 8 June 2020 14: 23 New
    +3
    I discovered the article by accident late last night, or rather, today. To be honest, I don’t really understand why Sergei is always printed on Opinions, probably on purpose to annoy me, but I look into this section once a year according to my behest.
    Sergey, an excellent article, interesting and, as it were, sound. I don’t know, to be honest, whether all the information in it is verified and reliable, but I don’t want to check, I won’t; let it remain as it is. smile
    And with the place of publication of articles, something needs to be done.
    Thank you very much for the material.
    1. bubalik
      8 June 2020 14: 36 New
      +3
      hi
      Is all the information in it verified and reliable
      ,,, come up with so much, I don’t have enough imagination wassat
      “... Any story should be written on the basis of archival documents, and the deeper the researcher enters the archival world, the wider the coverage of sources, the more perfect the technique, the closer it will be to the truth. I’m not a classic positivist, I’m just trying to adhere to the principle: “there is no source, there is no history” ... ”.
      E.V. Starostin yes
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 8 June 2020 16: 50 New
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        Quote: bubalik
        come up with so much, I don’t have enough imagination

        This is no offense. For example, Ryzhov has recently been issuing materials that are in great need of checks, rechecks and clarifications. It is his materials that should be published in the "Opinions" section, since they do not even pretend to be objective. This author has lost my trust and, willy-nilly, I transfer my attitude towards him and others. No offense. smile hi
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 8 June 2020 20: 00 New
      +2
      Ha, your articles were also posted on "mnyuha"!
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 8 June 2020 22: 07 New
        0
        Let it be a shame to him who laid them out, and not to the one who wrote them. smile
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 8 June 2020 22: 29 New
          +3
          However, the same people spread the texts of Kharaluzhny, and are not ashamed ... Why? How do I deserve such feces?
    3. bubalik
      8 June 2020 22: 32 New
      +2
      publishing articles you need to do something.
      ,,, heading, "Looking for talents"? laughing
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 8 June 2020 22: 56 New
        +4
        Sergey, it’s real, if I, in drunken delirium, wrote what Kharaluzhny writes, reading the next morning, hanged myself in shame from the deed, ordered the place of my burial to be covered with bleach so that even after a thousand years, the Moon seemed a cozy place , compared to my grave.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 8 June 2020 23: 45 New
          +1
          Not too harsh, Anton?
          It seems to me that, in any case, in the last article, Kharaluzhny did not write anything like that. Just re-copied a couple of articles from Wiki. Although, I am not too familiar with the work of this author, perhaps he has something to be ashamed of.
          But sprinkle bleach over the grave is in any case too much. Maximum, a week from shame to quench, without drying out, then a week to get out of a tailspin, a week to relax in nature, then change your nickname and continue to live on, taking into account previous mistakes. smile
          1. bubalik
            8 June 2020 23: 59 New
            +2
            Not too harsh
            ,,, he respects the disinfection rules in connection with the virus sad
            ,, Doctor, what is very, very effective, but so that bleach does not eat out ?, laughing
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 9 June 2020 08: 21 New
            +1
            Not too much, Michael! At least in connection with your opinion on the placement of articles.
        2. Liam
          Liam 8 June 2020 23: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Sergey, it’s real, if I, in drunken delirium, wrote what Kharaluzhny writes, reading the next morning, hanged myself in shame from the deed, ordered the place of my burial to be covered with bleach so that even after a thousand years, the Moon seemed a cozy place , compared to my grave.

          And Solovyov sell the villa on the island of Komo and settle as a hermit in Kolyma?)
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 9 June 2020 00: 04 New
            +1
            Well, if we move to this steppe, then we must certainly start not with Solovyov ...
            1. Liam
              Liam 9 June 2020 00: 06 New
              +2
              And with whom? This is simply the most recognizable representative of the category.
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 9 June 2020 00: 18 New
                +1
                I would start ... with Navalny, for example. Venediktov is not a bad candidate and, in general, Echo's regular visitors are worthy of the withdrawal of their villas and a trip to the Kolyma. This is if it’s about politics, which bothers me a little, simply because I understand that changing specific persons in the box will not change anything, and I don’t feel personal dislike for any of them. Another thing is Prokopenko, for example. Remove it from the box and show instead the program "Obvious-Incredible" or the newsreel "I want to know everything." That would be a good thing.
                1. bubalik
                  9 June 2020 00: 27 New
                  +3
                  Prokopenko

                  ,,, most likely, there was an attempt to become like National Geographic, well, at least what IHMO first issues.
                2. Liam
                  Liam 9 June 2020 00: 33 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Trilobite Master
                  from Navalny, for example

                  And what did he not please you with? So that lifts the veil of property secrets of the patriots in power?)
                  He’s a politician by the way .. and we’re kind of talking about propagandists.
                  And, as far as I know, it does not take much airtime on the first channels)
                  1. Trilobite Master
                    Trilobite Master 9 June 2020 11: 31 New
                    +1
                    In general, they do not care for me. Navalny is the first to come to mind, probably because of his political pedophilia. You can believe him or anyone, hate Solovyov or anyone, if you see the difference in them. In no way do I want to disturb you. laughing
                  2. fighter angel
                    fighter angel 9 June 2020 12: 41 New
                    +2
                    Pretending to be a fool? This scum basement of veterans and honored people offends, his hamsters upload pictures of the Nazis to the Immortal Regiment, and you, like that monkey: "I don't know, I haven't seen, I haven't heard" ???
                    Anal does not want to tell about his "property secrets" ???
                    How does daughter teach in USA?
                    How does he have an apartment in the center of Moscow, and pays 240.000 per month for it ???
                    How do you travel abroad 8 times a year and stop at all in cheap hotels?
                    I personally am far from the delight and adoration of our current government, but I don’t want to see this anal abomination near my state!
  • Revolver
    Revolver 8 June 2020 20: 52 New
    +3
    In 1956 there was a battle of the Israeli destroyers Eilat and Jaffa with the Egyptian Ibrahim al-Aval. The Jews first immobilized him with shelling, and then, when the Arabs lowered the flag, they landed a boarding team. Later, the ship became part of the Israeli Navy under the name Haifa, thereby increasing their open sea forces by exactly 50%. At the moment, this is the last in the history of the capture of an enemy warship as a prize.
    1. bubalik
      8 June 2020 21: 19 New
      +3
      Thanks for the information. yes
      Interestingly, in such cases you will learn a lot. For example, why in Egypt they celebrate the day of the Navy on October 21 repeat
      And the ships from the beginning of their service, brothers can say smile military campaigns of VM, but fate later spread.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 8 June 2020 22: 18 New
        +3
        The latest history of this region is still waiting for its unbiased descriptor ...
        1. bubalik
          8 June 2020 22: 25 New
          +2
          the history of this region

          ,,, which in the comments will necessarily go, as usual, into the plane of politics, crying No.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 8 June 2020 23: 22 New
            +2
            I agree. Yes, and alas.
  • Obliterator
    Obliterator 8 June 2020 21: 55 New
    +2
    Yeah, try to pick up the destroyer in the water position, and then take it on board - it is necessary to have steel eggs. And the sailors with U-66 they clearly were. This whole story would well deserve a film about heroism, if they were not sailors of the 3rd Reich.
    I was still very surprised that the British somehow managed to give the name Cossack to their warship. However, the crew fully justified the name of their ship with their cold steel boarding.
    1. bubalik
      8 June 2020 22: 20 New
      +4
      And the sailors with U-66, they clearly were
      ,,, the chance is still illusory, the minimum number of hand-held small arms on board. You can say they went hand-to-hand, but the Buckley crew had weapons in their guns too !!! So they fought back whatever they came across until they brought the weapon onto the deck.
      1. Obliterator
        Obliterator 9 June 2020 00: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: bubalik
        We could say they went hand-to-hand, but the Buckley crew had weapons in their guns too !!!

        Moreover, the destroyer is also stupidly three times more people than on a submarine. But you could just surrender. But historians do not write articles about those who surrender ...