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PNS took Tarhuna, Haftar forces retreat from Tripolitania

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The situation in Libya remains extremely tense. The PNS and LNA troops are fighting fiercely in Tripolitania (western part of the country). But luck stopped smiling for Marshal Haftaru: his units retreat, freeing entire cities and losing expensive military equipment.


Haftar's army leaves military equipment


Sources close to the PNS report on the ongoing retreat of units of the Libyan National Army, Marshal Haftar from Tripoli. Apparently, the recent loss of the strategically important Al-Watiyah air base inflicted a very serious blow on Haftar's positions in Tripolitania. So, the troops of the Government of National Accord Faiz Saraj took the city of Tarhun. This was reported by Al-Jazeera, as well as a number of sources in social networks focused on PNS Sarajah.

Recall that the city of Tarhuna is located in the municipality of El Margab, 80 kilometers south of Tripoli. Before the war, the population of the city was about 296 thousand people. According to many analysts, the capture of Tarhuna allows us to talk about the completion of the unsuccessful operation of the Haftar troops to storm Tripoli.

Loyal to Marshal, the Libyan National Army no longer threatens the capital. Moreover, after Tarhuna, hostilities will inevitably move further to Sirte and Bani Walid.

In addition to the retreat, troops loyal to the marshal also lose expensive military equipment. So, on a page on Twitter there was a video of towing a Russian-made Mi-24 helicopter, which, according to the opponents of the marshal, was captured the day before from the troops loyal to him.


Also on Twitter are photographs of the Russian-made Mi-35 helicopter and artillery that were used to defend the airport captured from Haftar.


Mi-35 helicopter, as insurgents claim, captured from Haftar’s troops


And here is the captured weapons of the Libyan national army.


Haftar’s failures are attributed to Turkey’s active involvement in the hostilities in Libya, which not only helps the Sarajah government with arms, but also sent both Syrian radical fighters and Turkish regular troops to North Africa. Opponents of Haftar argue that on the side of the marshal, Russians are fighting from the so-called Wagner PMC, however, these allegations lack concrete evidence.

Meanwhile, representatives of the Government of National Accord make triumphant statements. So, the Minister of Internal Affairs of the PNS, Fathi Bashagha, said that the retreat of Haftar from Tripoli will be the “beginning of the end” of the entire project of the Marshal. He also called on the cities and territories under the control of the Libyan National Army to rebel against the Haftar government.


Which way will the Haftar patrons choose?


However, talking about a clear victory for the PNS is still very premature. Much will depend on how effective help Marshal will receive from his patrons. The PNS managed to beat Haftar thanks to the fundamental difference in the nature of support: while the UAE, Egypt, Greece, and Russia provided metered and hidden assistance to Haftar, Turkey openly and demonstratively intervened in the conflict on the side of Faiz Saraj. If the patrons of Haftar will now choose the same strategy, then the success of the PNS may be a thing of the past.

However, the support from the same France, which was given to Haftaru, may also cease. For example, the German analyst W. Lacher sees the Russian military presence in Libya as a much greater threat to the European Union, including France, than the Turkish intervention to support the regime in Tripoli.


In any case, current events show: the marshal not only failed to take Tripoli, but the presence of his troops in all of Tripolitania was also questioned. If they are completely ousted from this region, then the split in Libya into actually separate territories, “quasi-states,” will be fixed for an indefinite period.

That is, there will be a “somalization” of Libya: supporters of Faiz Saraj, supported by Turkey, will keep power in Tripolitania, and Khalifa Haftar, who uses the help of neighboring Egypt, will keep power in Cyrenaica. But there is also a huge southern Libyan province of Fezzan, which generally has its own layouts, depending on the relationship between the tribes of the Arabs, Bedouins, Tuaregs and Tuba.

Finally, as VO has already reported in previous materials, there is the likelihood of a new leader appearing who can be opposed to the regime in Tripoli. After all, Haftar, after all, is an old man and sooner or later, but the opposition of the PNS should have a younger leader, albeit without such an impressive military experience and track record.

Here's what happens, meanwhile, in the vicinity of Tripoli:
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  1. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 5 June 2020 12: 43 New
    -29
    Our retreat.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 5 June 2020 12: 48 New
      13
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Our retreat.

      "Ours" - who is this?
      1. Civil
        Civil 5 June 2020 13: 50 New
        -2
        Haftaru time to gather in Rostov (((
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 5 June 2020 14: 51 New
          +2
          Haftar has oil, a bunch of sponsors, military assistance from the emirates and the Egyptians and a common border with Egypt. It’s too early for him in Rostov. And besides, it is more logical then in Cairo or Dubai. request
          Arks do not like the Turks much, since they are far away from Tripoli, the Turks will have to be much more difficult. Plus, the PNS, and especially the Misurat gangs, do not like to become Turkish vassals, they can even buck up. Again, the supply of the Turkish contingent is by sea. The supply line is not so wide.
          Haftar put everything on a quick take of Tripoli and naturally lost, but Sirte still behind him.
          1. businessv
            businessv 5 June 2020 22: 05 New
            +3
            Quote: g1v2
            Haftar put everything on a quick take of Tripoli and naturally lost, but Sirte still behind him.
            Since serving in the SA, there has been a persistent rejection of the Arabs leaving technology upon retreat! Both Arab habits and my rejection remain unchanged, unfortunately! The technique is very a pity!
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 6 June 2020 23: 08 New
              0
              Quote: businessv
              Both Arab habits and my rejection remain unchanged

              Arabs they are such arabs.
        2. alone
          alone 5 June 2020 16: 44 New
          +6
          Quote: Civil
          Haftaru time to gather in Rostov (((

          Hawtar is a US citizen .. Don't worry about him .. Are you opening a museum in Rostov called "Losers"?
          1. businessv
            businessv 5 June 2020 22: 09 New
            0
            Quote: lonely
            Havtar is a US citizen ..

            Interesting statement! Where did the information come from?
        3. Pardus
          Pardus 5 June 2020 22: 04 New
          0
          Normally, Haftar will have everything. He will win if he is helped by the Arab world.
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 5 June 2020 13: 55 New
        -10
        "Ours" - who is this?


        You were born yesterday?

        Here is who -


        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 5 June 2020 14: 35 New
          +8
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          You were born yesterday?

          Here is who -

          Well, both Havtar and Saraj came to Moscow. Russia acted as a mediator in the negotiations between them.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 5 June 2020 14: 45 New
            -6
            Saraj came for negotiations, and Haftar came much more often.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 5 June 2020 14: 47 New
              +5
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              and Haftar arrives much more often

              Maybe he goes to our clinic for procedures. laughing
        2. Volodin
          Volodin 5 June 2020 14: 42 New
          +9
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Here is who -

          Then this one on the left is also "ours"? By your logic ...



          I arrived in Moscow - that's it, they signed up for "our" ... some kind of kindergarten ...
      3. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus 5 June 2020 16: 11 New
        -1
        "Ours" - who is this?

        Yes so ...
        -NONE!
        What about airplanes?
        -What planes flew by, threw in the parking lot at the nearest entrance to the local metro, which would be more convenient to get to the center.
        Maybe enough, and then some kind of kindergarten.
        Opponents of Haftar argue that on the side of the marshal, Russians are fighting from the so-called Wagner PMC, however, these allegations lack concrete evidence.

        Yeah, they "fascists" shove Russian rubles into their pockets, and then shoot "for a purpose," just to denigrate innocent Russia, which is, firstly, from another continent and secondly, of course, not in business. And after all, they are not lazy to find exchangers with rubles in the Libyan deserts.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 5 June 2020 12: 49 New
      +7
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Our retreat.

      And how do you like? We decided to support Haftar, so support him with an open visor, including with the help of your own aircraft. Otherwise, with such an opponent as Turkey, your protégé will not cope. On the other hand, all the rumors about the support of Haftar from the Russian Federation are possible, and then Ankara’s victory in Turkey should worry Cairo, not Moscow.
      1. Gorecc
        Gorecc 5 June 2020 13: 06 New
        +7
        Ankara's victory in Turkey should not disturb Cairo wink
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 5 June 2020 14: 22 New
          +4
          Quote: Gorecc
          Ankara's victory in Turkey should not disturb Cairo wink

          5: 0. good
        2. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin 5 June 2020 14: 38 New
          +3
          Hazy but interesting. Egypt was first de facto, and then more and more de jure separated from the Ottoman Empire throughout the 1911th century. He gained independence from the hands of proud Britons and took part in the conquest of Anglo-Egyptian Sudan. But the Italo-Turkish war of 12-100 quickly ended with the tearing away of Libya, which the Brilliant Porta had still somehow held back. Everyone before the WWII believed that the Balkans - the powder magazine of Europe and somehow did not notice that at first it was blazing in Libya. So Libya is more than XNUMX years old, if not Turkey, but the Turks, apparently, do not mind replaying this matter. Explicitly, without excessive formalism. So Cairo probably still has reason to worry. Haftar is probably a more pleasant neighbor for him than Saraj.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 5 June 2020 13: 21 New
        0
        As soon as more or less incapable of formation, Haftar retreated. Despite the availability of aviation ....
      3. seti
        seti 5 June 2020 13: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Our retreat.

        And how do you like? We decided to support Haftar, so support him with an open visor, including with the help of your own aircraft. Otherwise, with such an opponent as Turkey, your protégé will not cope.

        Are you always Jewish? It is clear that you do not need Russian VKS with bases at your side. So under the guise it was still possible to squeeze something from the Syrian neighbor .. And if the Russian Federation gets involved in the massacre in Libya, then this is only to your advantage.
        Of course, the Russian Federation in Libya has its own interests, but to say that the bet is made only on Haftar is the top of idiocy.
      4. neri73-r
        neri73-r 5 June 2020 13: 26 New
        +7
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        And how do you like? We decided to support Haftar, so support him with an open visor, including with the help of your own aircraft.

        Are you talking about France or the UAE, maybe Italy, or Egypt? tongue
      5. Trevis
        Trevis 5 June 2020 13: 37 New
        0
        Where are your proteges?
      6. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 5 June 2020 14: 04 New
        -9
        We decided to support Haftar, so support him with an open visor, including with the help of your own aircraft.


        We ourselves will decide here how it is more convenient for us to do so.

        We cannot fight for Haftar openly now. Of course, if we need a Turk, we will unwind all their proxies like God’s tortoise, but the consequences of breaking off relations with Turkey will be very unfavorable and offset the full benefit of the victory, for which we still have to pay with money and blood of our fighters.

        I hope Egypt will not stand aside and support Haftar, well, we will not stand aside.
      7. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 June 2020 14: 54 New
        +8
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        And how do you like? We decided to support Haftar, so support him with an open visor, including with the help of your own aircraft.

        Well, we all know, and some even saw who and whom they supported in Libya when they removed Gaddafi. And only Russia has nothing to do with then and now. Of course, Israel had big claims against Libya and wish them well for you special wishes, for in 1945 the Libyan Muslim rioters killed hundreds of Jews and destroyed their houses, shops and synagogues; British occupation forces were indifferent spectators, and about 30 thousand Jews had to abandon their homes and flee the country. I am sorry for your people.
      8. businessv
        businessv 5 June 2020 22: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        then Ankara’s victory in Turkey should worry Cairo, not Moscow.
        Interesting passage! Ankara, while losing to Turkey? I don’t know how Moscow reacts to this, but I'm really worried! soldier
    3. Far East
      Far East 5 June 2020 12: 49 New
      10
      (Ours are retreating.) OURS is WHO? maybe YOUR wassat
      1. really
        really 5 June 2020 15: 51 New
        0
        We change yours to ours, ours to yours, in general, whoever won, he won so that he lost, and the loser won, or vice versa. winked
        1. Far East
          Far East 6 June 2020 01: 21 New
          0
          It's time to go home, otherwise mom is worried. lol
          1. really
            really 6 June 2020 12: 13 New
            0
            Moms would hardly have allowed war wink
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    5. TatarinSSSR
      TatarinSSSR 5 June 2020 13: 13 New
      10
      It doesn’t matter to Russia who will win in Libya - in any case, it does not benefit from it. Peace in Libya with any winner now - this means cheap and high-quality oil to the market. Which is generally not good. It is important for Russia that the massacre there lasts a long time and Libya falls apart into two sub-states, with an ever-smoldering conflict. And pulled over the forces of Turkey and the militants from Idlib.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 5 June 2020 13: 22 New
        -12
        If there are no benefits for the Russian Federation, then what are we doing there? I don’t understand.
        1. TatarinSSSR
          TatarinSSSR 5 June 2020 13: 25 New
          -4
          We planted weapons and mercenaries so that the massacre continued and as long as possible. The global oil market needs a break. And cheap Libyan oil is now not at all useful in the market. Secondly, many militants from the Syrian Idlib are now grinding there. It's good. The Syrians now also need to strengthen their troops, clear the rear, restore the weapons rolled out by Turkish UAVs.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 5 June 2020 13: 26 New
            -8
            Then there is a benefit .... if someone pays for it.
            1. TatarinSSSR
              TatarinSSSR 5 June 2020 13: 27 New
              0
              Pay the UAE, Qatar and others.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 5 June 2020 13: 31 New
                -2
                Then, I am calm.
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              2. alone
                alone 5 June 2020 16: 47 New
                +2
                Quote: TatarinSSSR
                Qatar and others.

                Qatar is an ally of the PNS ..
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 5 June 2020 14: 37 New
            0
            Quote: TatarinSSSR
            We threw up weapons and mercenaries

            If only you personally.
          3. syndicalist
            syndicalist 5 June 2020 20: 46 New
            0
            Quote: TatarinSSSR
            We threw up weapons and mercenaries so that the slaughter continued

            Quote: TatarinSSSR
            Secondly, many militants from the Syrian Idlib are now grinding there. It's good.

            The fact that our mercenaries grind there, is this also apparently good?
            1. TatarinSSSR
              TatarinSSSR 6 June 2020 21: 25 New
              +1
              That's why they are mercenaries. Or should they fight only where it is impossible to die? And secondly, they were recently taken out of there. They have done their job.
        2. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 5 June 2020 14: 21 New
          -11
          Everything is very simple. Libya will either remain our ally if Haftar defeats or becomes our enemy if the supporters of Tripoli win.

          In the modern world, there is a war for zones of influence, and this is primarily markets.

          We will win - we sell billions of dollars of arms to Libya, we supply billions of dollars of industrial equipment, we sell billions of dollars of grain and food. Sales of our products are growing - our production is growing, money is going into our economy, we are developing.

          They win - we lose the sales market and an ally, and this will ultimately lead to the fact that due to the lost sales market we lose hundreds of billions of dollars in the long run. We sell weapons less for export, it is more expensive for us to manufacture it, we won’t earn on export and we will make it more expensive for ourselves.

          Moreover, Libya is likely to become another source of terrorism, which will already be thrown back through Turkey to Syria. There are a lot of beggars in Libya now, and there will be even more, for the promise of a regular salary, many will fight against the Syrian government, and this will result in losses for people and equipment for us and for Syria and will greatly slow down the restoration of Syria.

          Russia needs victory over terrorism and peace in Syria and Libya as quickly as possible, and the West, on the contrary, the more blood the better. If the Assad government falls, then we will have to remove our fleet and planes from Syria, which will lead to the fact that our entire Black Sea Fleet will actually be locked in the Black Sea, which is shot from the coast of Turkey as a target field, and our ships will be targets. And the West, including Israel and Turkey, also profit from the land and resources of Syria.

          We need a base in Syria with access to the Mediterranean Sea for defense, even a couple of Warsaw women in the Mediterranean can level any AUG, and covered by several frigates and the coastal air defense system is a formidable force, and if we are locked in the Black Sea, our bases in Sevastopol and Novorossiysk will simply be tilled by the Tomahawks so that no ship there can refuel any more and replenish the b / c.

          In general, this is the situation. Either we are them, or they are us.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 5 June 2020 15: 25 New
            +1
            Then I do not understand our passivity. Turks are more understandable and effective.
            1. really
              really 5 June 2020 15: 56 New
              0
              You are more careful with the word passivity, otherwise they’ll think it over, and you will remain guilty.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 5 June 2020 16: 01 New
                +1
                These are the problems of those who understand.
            2. businessv
              businessv 5 June 2020 22: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Turks are more understandable and effective.

              We cannot understandly act because it is not effective when the enemy understands everything! The zagulisty and incomprehensible, the better! This is the motto of our power! It even seems to me that even they don’t understand how to proceed further! This is irony, colleague! Seriously, we with Turkey, even in Syria, cannot openly and fully fight, not like in Libya. Too much resources and military equipment are needed for this.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 5 June 2020 23: 40 New
                0
                We can act as you like., The main result
          2. TatarinSSSR
            TatarinSSSR 5 June 2020 15: 27 New
            +2
            Libya does not have these "billions" of yours now. Libya does not exist as a country at all. There are two groups and there are tribes. And a bunch of neighbors eager to take control of Libya's oil fields. Libyan oil should be controlled by Moscow and El-Riyadh, then oil prices will be stabilized. But there are other neighbors, including Turkey - against this, they need cheap world oil. Therefore, do not tell tales about the billions in earnings of Russia for the sale of something there to Libya. And no one will let Haftar win. Do not mislead people.
          3. Harry cuper
            Harry cuper 5 June 2020 18: 29 New
            +1
            Haftar, US citizen and CIA agent will become an ally of Russia ?! Are you seriously?
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 5 June 2020 14: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          If there are no benefits for the Russian Federation, then what are we doing there?

          So tell us who this "we" is and what you are doing there.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 5 June 2020 15: 26 New
            -3
            We are the Russian state .. and make up our property.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 5 June 2020 16: 15 New
              -1
              Quote: Zaurbek
              We are the Russian state .. and make up our property.

              Well, where are you, in Libya, saw the presence of the Russian state?
            2. Revolver
              Revolver 6 June 2020 23: 17 New
              0
              Quote: Zaurbek
              We are the Russian state .. and make up our property.

              It the former Russian property was paid in full by the UAE. So now the Emirates will have to buy a replacement, and unlike Assad, the Emirates really pay in money, not in loans, which are then written off.
        4. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 5 June 2020 15: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: Zaurbek
          If there are no benefits for the Russian Federation, then what are we doing there?

          I didn’t hear that the Russian military was present there.
      2. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 5 June 2020 15: 05 New
        0
        And for me, the 2 normal states of Tripolitania and Cyrenaica are so normal ... Maybe it will be better ?!
      3. really
        really 5 June 2020 15: 53 New
        0
        Then you need to start with Iran and Saudi Arabia.
  2. Husit
    Husit 5 June 2020 12: 45 New
    +1
    Sooner rejoice and as many pictures at once, as when Gaddafi was soaked ... Do not believe the Danians giving gifts to you!
    It’s time to finally understand ..
  3. knn54
    knn54 5 June 2020 12: 46 New
    +3
    So the assault on Tripoli ended.
    1. Grits
      Grits 5 June 2020 14: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: knn54
      So the assault on Tripoli ended.

      Which lasted more than a year. In the Middle Ages, sieges of cities in such terms were. And then the assault ...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 June 2020 15: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      So the assault on Tripoli ended.

      Yes, it’s not quite over, they’ll be fighting for a long time. Saraj and Haftar will leave, others will come, the Arab world cannot be calm.
  4. pereselenec
    pereselenec 5 June 2020 12: 54 New
    +2
    Everything was clear even when the bayraktars burned their shells.
    1. Grits
      Grits 5 June 2020 14: 44 New
      -2
      Quote: pereselenec
      Everything was clear when the bayraktars burned the shell

      Unfortunately, we must admit that the tractors plowed the shell. For the umpteenth time. Does anyone make conclusions?
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  6. Break through
    Break through 5 June 2020 12: 56 New
    -2
    Haftar has problems with tactics. There are no problems with weapons. And if there is no normal tactics, then a good weapon will not help. Wait and see.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 5 June 2020 13: 22 New
      +7
      Problems with the organization, like all Arabs .....
      1. really
        really 5 June 2020 15: 58 New
        0
        On the other hand are almost the same
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 5 June 2020 16: 03 New
          +2
          On the other hand, the Turks entered and the balance was upset.
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 5 June 2020 14: 26 New
      +1
      Haftar has problems with the stamina of soldiers. As soon as they feel the edge or the initiative of the enemy, fleeing throwing expensive equipment and weapons. On the other hand, but thanks to Turkey, there are more of them and they have good air support.

      Ours still won’t give birth to a normal strike UAV, everyone makes some crafts for schoolchildren or immediately makes a monster of 20 tons to break through air defense.

      Well, you can’t do it yourself - copy, there are so many Bayraktars built up so that you can collect a few integers.

      Simple and working solutions in our army do not take root, everything only comes through rivers of blood.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 5 June 2020 16: 03 New
        -1
        Orion direct competitor
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 5 June 2020 16: 18 New
          +2
          Where is he Orion ?! Where is the guided weapon for him ?! And the Bayraktars, there they are, are bombing our allies in Syria and Libya.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 5 June 2020 18: 38 New
            0
            Serial no ..... but nothing prevents us from bombing, like the Syrians. Su24m has not been canceled and our intelligence too. What prevents to bomb everything on the territory of Idlib? Definitely not the presence of Orion.
      2. really
        really 5 June 2020 16: 14 New
        0
        For Russia, it’s more logical to do what they think, in the Moscow Region, as necessary. And small drones for small operations
    3. pereselenec
      pereselenec 5 June 2020 15: 16 New
      -3
      Quote: Break through
      Haftar has problems with tactics.


      It is a pity that all specialists in military tactics who could help Haftar, Assad and LDNR defeat the enemies are already busy sitting in comments on the VO.
      1. really
        really 5 June 2020 16: 00 New
        +1
        First analysis (s) and only then forward.
  7. 013Azer
    013Azer 5 June 2020 12: 57 New
    -7
    Turkey, which not only helps the government of Saraj with weapons, but also sent to North Africa both the fighters of the Syrian radical forces and the Turkish regular army. Opponents of Haftar argue that on the side of the marshal, Russians are fighting from the so-called Wagner PMC, however, these allegations lack concrete evidence.


    "The fact that Turkey has mercenaries there is NOT devoid of evidence, but the fact that Haftar has mercenaries (Wagner) is devoid of any evidence! It is not disputed!"

    Who would doubt that ..))
  8. KURT330
    KURT330 5 June 2020 12: 57 New
    -1
    [/ quote] The situation in Libya remains extremely tense. [quote]

    It depends on who she is tense ...
  9. KURT330
    KURT330 5 June 2020 13: 00 New
    +2
    [/ quote] The troops of the PNS and the LAA are fighting fierce [quote]

    What other fierce ones? "People in Slippers" took Tarhuna in just an hour.
    Apparently the "godfathers" of Haftar did not intercede for him.
  10. Gorecc
    Gorecc 5 June 2020 13: 01 New
    +3
    Much will depend on how effective help Marshal will receive from his patrons. The PNS managed to beat Haftar thanks to the fundamental difference in the nature of support: while the UAE, Egypt, Greece, and Russia provided metered and hidden assistance to Haftar, Turkey openly and demonstratively intervened in the conflict on the side of Faiz Saraj. If the patrons of Haftar now choose the same strategy, then the success of the PNS may be a thing of the past


    I have to disagree with the author ... who, as I understand it, wants to convince us that Haftar supposedly received insufficient foreign support, but this contradicts the facts .. On the contrary, under the leadership of Haftar, Lna received more substantial support than the PNS, which essentially only Turks support .
    Lna received from her foreign sponsors — shock drones, air defense systems, RSZOs, tanks, attack helicopters, and much more. Also, let's not forget that Haftar had military aircraft, which is not any, but what about the PCS? some Turkish drones, and even the air defense systems are a little special ... Also, foreign mercenaries fought on the side of Haftar, who apparently were paid for by the UAE and Ksa.
    So to say that Haftar received insufficient support is a misconception. Even before the Turks intervened in this conflict (I note at the invitation of the official UN-recognized Libyan government of national accord), Haftaru received very broad and generous support from foreign sponsors, mainly the UAE, Egypt and Ks. But the pseudo Marshal still could not squeeze Tripoli and squandered everything ..
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 5 June 2020 13: 14 New
      +3
      Well, if "ours" are helped, then this is the norm. But if the enemies were helped, then this is all a blatant intervention.

      The same Armor, Chinese UAVs, a bunch of planes from Egypt. For example, the MiG-21 Haftar was not even painted, so they fly in Egyptian.



      Again, in the last days, 4-5 Ramses were captured, also from Egypt.

      1. Volodin
        Volodin 5 June 2020 13: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        a bunch of planes from Egypt.

        A "bunch" of planes - how much is approximately? And then almost every comment on Libya contains the same 4-5 MiGs, including the Egyptian monument ...
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 5 June 2020 13: 37 New
          +4
          A bunch of it is unclear. The monument is Egypt, an example of the traditional coloring of the MiG-21 in Egypt.

          Here's a photo:





          There are 26, 18, 01 and 3-4 without numbers. Up to a dozen with photos only, and probably more wink . It’s quite a support. Given that the other side, even the unfortunate Mirage could not be repaired, they bombed him.
  11. KURT330
    KURT330 5 June 2020 13: 04 New
    -5
    [/ quote] Which path will the Haftar patrons choose? [quote]

    The question is not for us ..
  12. donavi49
    donavi49 5 June 2020 13: 09 New
    +1
    more interesting trophies
    Anti-dron gun against the background of a pumped T-55 with DZ. An extremely rare guest in Libya.

    A bunch of different tanks. Some were abandoned in the parking lots, others were on the roads (they were apparently broken, stalled and thrown stupidly).


    1. Volodin
      Volodin 5 June 2020 13: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: donavi49
      A bunch of different tanks. Some were abandoned in the parking lots, others were on the roads (they were apparently broken, stalled and thrown stupidly).

      Again "heap".
      And they "broke and deafened", apparently, immediately in the column, judging by the photo on the road.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 5 June 2020 13: 40 New
        +4
        Yes. the Grads also broke - one dragged the other, and then the tractor died and they were thrown.


        Well, really sense to deny. Photos and videos have already been poured a lot.


        1. Volodin
          Volodin 5 June 2020 13: 50 New
          +4
          Tanks go in a column, because the first one needs to drag the rest. There is no tractor on the go. Not a technical park, but some kind of cemetery ...
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  13. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 5 June 2020 13: 09 New
    +2
    Then there will be Halivia and Falivia. And everyone will be fine. Russia added fuel to the fire, throwing weapons and mercenaries into this cauldron to divert Turkish forces from Syria and force it to transfer crowds of combat-ready militants from Idlib to help the PNS, giving a serious respite to the Syrian military. Assad’s main task now in Syria is to establish strong control in the rear of his troops, in settlements and industrial areas, and control of roads and crossings. As well as the struggle of special services with hidden cells of gangs. It doesn’t matter to Russia who will win in Libya - in any case, it does not benefit from it. In the case of peace in Libya, Libyan oil will rush to the world market at a low price and for Russia (for the oligarchs of Rosneft) this is bad.
  14. pardonov
    pardonov 5 June 2020 13: 14 New
    -4
    even the Turks can’t resist both in Libya and in Syria Idlib slowed down. M Wagnerites washed away. That’s just five percent of NATO.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 5 June 2020 13: 36 New
      +7
      The case when it is important to emphasize why they are so worried about "Wagnerians" and about "we cannot resist even the Turks"
  15. Karaul73
    Karaul73 5 June 2020 13: 15 New
    -2
    Quote: Far East
    (Ours are retreating.) OURS is WHO? maybe YOUR wassat

    The moment of truth has come. It is necessary either to openly support the vacationers to Havtar, or to leave. The Turks will not stop halfway.
  16. KURT330
    KURT330 5 June 2020 13: 16 New
    -4
    [/ quote] The PNS managed to beat Haftar thanks to the fundamental difference in the nature of support: if the UAE, Egypt, Greece, Russia provided Haftar dosed и hidden help, Turkey openly and defiantly intervened in the conflict on the side of Faiz Saraj. [quote]

    These two words, in general, were killed. The author, so articles are not written. Where is the sequence of thought? Did the Turks provide unlimited help? Here put on the scales the budgets of the listed countries (UAE, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Greece, Russia, France) and Turkey. Funny chesslovo!
  17. donavi49
    donavi49 5 June 2020 13: 21 New
    +2
    By the way, about the helicopter - probably by coloring and number 2.
    How the heat trap block and the identification mark on the first helicopter, which they took at the helicopter base, along with citizen Augusti circled above.


    Like a helicopter that rolled along the road:


    Plus, apparently different numbers 6 and 8 in the room.
    1. novel66
      novel66 5 June 2020 13: 29 New
      +2
      mi-35 is an export version of mi-24
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        1. novel66
          novel66 5 June 2020 14: 32 New
          -2
          Well, for his own, it will be fatter
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      2. Grits
        Grits 5 June 2020 14: 58 New
        0
        Quote: novel xnumx
        mi-35 is an export version of mi-24

        The Mi-35 is the Mi-35. He took all sorts of options. By the way, in the Mi-35, the tail rotor should be X-shaped.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 5 June 2020 15: 16 New
          +1
          Mi-25 is an export Mi-24 with a phalanx.
          Mi-35 is an export Mi-24 with Sturm.
          Mi-35P is an export Mi-24P with Sturm.
          Mi-35M is a new board for export and native MO.
          1. novel66
            novel66 5 June 2020 15: 59 New
            -2
            that's it, and then they start here
  18. Seal
    Seal 5 June 2020 13: 25 New
    0
    I see no reason to panic. For almost a year now, Turkey has been actively pumping barmales from Idlib, where we transported from all of Syria to Libya several years ago, that is, the process of exporting barmales from Idlib, organized by Turkey, for disposal to Libya is underway.
    But for the process of exporting barmalei to Libya to go smoothly, barmalei must see their prospects in Libya. And the prospects are bright. Barmalei should not understand that they are disposed of for disposal. Otherwise they will not go. They need to show the carrot. It is necessary to show that they have a chance of victory, it is necessary to show that Haftar is retreating.
    1. KURT330
      KURT330 5 June 2020 13: 36 New
      -2
      Hello Petrovich! It's been a while since you were seen. I always read your opinions with interest.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 June 2020 13: 56 New
      +1
      "the process of exporting barmaley from Idlib for disposal to Libya organized by Turkey" ///
      ----
      They just didn’t recycle them, but they recycle their opponents. Defeated
      along with the regular army of Turkey, Marshal Haftar.
      And, most likely, they will return to Idlib with a new combat experience.
      Have you thought about such a Turkish plan?
      1. novel66
        novel66 5 June 2020 14: 33 New
        -1
        bomb on the march - what can it be
    3. Grits
      Grits 5 June 2020 15: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Seal
      For almost a year now, Turkey has been actively pumping barmaleis from Idlib,

      And to us that from the fact that the barmalei fly to Libya? Even Syria is already on the drum. Because everyone perfectly understands that there will be no war in Idlib anymore. Neither Assad, nor even Russia will wet the barmalei in Idlib. The train left - Turkey finally took this province to itself. Therefore, he can afford to transfer the honor of his bandits to another front without fears and threats to himself.
  19. KURT330
    KURT330 5 June 2020 13: 28 New
    -2
    Quote: Zaurbek
    then what are we doing there?

    Question of the century!
  20. Normal ok
    Normal ok 5 June 2020 13: 39 New
    0
    . After all, Haftar, after all, is an old man and sooner or later, but the opposition of the PNS should have a younger leader,

    The various regimes of the third world countries have one thing in common - power is never given to a “successor”. Even up to 70, even up to 80 years. Otherwise they will kill you.
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  22. raki-uzo
    raki-uzo 5 June 2020 13: 56 New
    0
    An amazing turn in this conflict! A week ago, news from Libya was presented to readers with a completely different sauce. So at least here with Russia we will not cut each other's nerves. Does Russia prefer to see Western influence on the policies of official Libya. It is not in her hand. And the impostor field marshal of the whole galaxy lost his stars.
    1. MMX
      MMX 5 June 2020 15: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: raki-uzo
      An amazing turn in this conflict! A week ago, news from Libya was presented to readers with a completely different sauce. So at least here with Russia we will not cut each other's nerves. Does Russia prefer to see Western influence on the policies of official Libya. It is not in her hand. And the impostor field marshal of the whole galaxy lost his stars.


      And who is aware of the struggle under the carpet ?? None.
      For a day, representatives of the PNS rushed to Moscow. The question is, why?
  23. Operator
    Operator 5 June 2020 14: 10 New
    -1
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    We decided to support Haftar, so support him with an open visor, including with the help of your Sun.

    We are for peace (and not some kind of suckers like Italy, France and Turkey) - we support both Haftara and the PNS bully
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      1. Operator
        Operator 5 June 2020 14: 45 New
        -5
        You will scream bravo after the winner transfers us to the concession of Libyan oil and gas.
  24. 013Azer
    013Azer 5 June 2020 14: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Operator

    We are for peace (and not some suckers like Italy, France and Turkey) bully


    Is there really room for such comments? And direct plus ..
    (Or speaking of "Loch" did you mean "Botox Loch", grandfather, who is the only "Loch" now on all fronts?)
    1. Operator
      Operator 5 June 2020 14: 47 New
      0
      Suckers are those who bet only on one horse.
    2. MMX
      MMX 5 June 2020 15: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: 013Azer
      Quote: Operator

      We are for peace (and not some suckers like Italy, France and Turkey) bully


      Is there really room for such comments? And direct plus ..
      (Or speaking of "Loch" did you mean "Botox Loch", grandfather, who is the only "Loch" now on all fronts?)


      Who are you?
  25. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 5 June 2020 14: 47 New
    -1
    Well, what can I say? ... Haftar took part in the overthrow of Gaddafi ...
  26. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 5 June 2020 15: 05 New
    -1
    But what about a tank strike on the flank? crying
  27. donavi49
    donavi49 5 June 2020 15: 19 New
    +4
    Judging by the latest news BeniWalid left LNA too. The mayor is preparing a meeting of the PNS, the local city police took under guard the abandoned materiel and the airport.

    PNS flies by Toyota in the evening will go into the city. If this is not a cunning plan with an ambush, then the leap is a record for those scales of war.
    1. Harry cuper
      Harry cuper 5 June 2020 18: 50 New
      +1
      I wonder why they minus you, out of frustration or what?
    2. sevryuk
      sevryuk 6 June 2020 17: 49 New
      0
      Again "expired ... polymers"? Is that something to eat? Oops, good people!
  28. Seal
    Seal 5 June 2020 15: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Gritsa
    The train left
    Did you leave? Exactly at 07:40? wink Wait and see. hi
    Yes. And further. Haftar is not the case. He is not a gift either. No wonder 20 years lived in the United States. Everything else now in Libya, Mr. Marshall is clearly shown that he must give way to younger and more firmly focused on Russia.
    1. Alexandr Sharapov
      Alexandr Sharapov 5 June 2020 17: 01 New
      +2
      "More recently, the former" our "Beni Walid in the Libyan Misrata, came under the control of the PNS.

      Old grandfather Haftar, imagining himself a new lion of Libya, giving high-profile names for his military operations, like the "Dragon Claw", essentially looks like an "Spectacled cobra."

      During the week that the northern Vikings took on the regrouping / transfer of forces and the change of l / s - the mighty (according to Haftar) LNA handed over the Airport with tanks, equipment (on video), Grads and tons of ammunition ... "
      Fisherman - Cart
  29. alone
    alone 5 June 2020 17: 03 New
    +1
    Strategically, Havtar lost when he was unable to take Tripoli in a year, having complete technical superiority .. And now when the front collapsed and the troops began to retreat randomly (otherwise it would not be called), the province of Fezzana comes to the fore..But there too, Havtar things aren’t so hot .. He managed to quarrel with both Tuareg and Tubu .. The Janjars from Sudan, who are the enemies of the African race, joined Havtar ... The Janjars killed all black people in a row and indiscriminately .. So, given that Fezzana - these are deserts and semi-deserts, as well as the logistics there are not ramified, and the PNS can agree with these nationalities, Rather, Libya will be divided into Tripolitania-Fezzana under the PNS, and Cyrenaica under the House of Representatives .. Havtar will most likely be removed from Libya .. His ambitions are sole power cost him dearly ... Leader general in Libya is disadvantageous to anyone
  30. alone
    alone 5 June 2020 19: 04 New
    0
    We have just received materials from social networks that depict footage of the withdrawal of Havtar’s forces from Beni-Valid .. And also announced the capture of a large settlement of Urban, near the city of Giryan .. If this goes so, then the capture of Sirte and further progress to Benghazi is quite real .. And there is a direct road from Sirte to Jufra
  31. donavi49
    donavi49 5 June 2020 20: 21 New
    +2
    Declared epic trophies:
    - 5 T-55 tanks
    - 2 T-62 tanks
    - 2 BMPs
    - 8 Palmaria 155 mm self-propelled howitzers
    - two 2S3 Akatsiya 152.4 mm self-propelled howitzers
    - BM-21 Grad launchers
    - Humvees
    - Pantheras
    - Cougar MRAP

    And cars of pictures.



    1. donavi49
      donavi49 5 June 2020 20: 24 New
      +3
      another shell burned out, well, at least they didn’t captivate.


      The most epic loot of this war. laughing



      Even Kasad made a post wink
      https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/5923072.html
  32. 013Azer
    013Azer 5 June 2020 20: 34 New
    0
    Quote: lonely
    We have just received materials from social networks that depict footage of the withdrawal of Havtar’s forces from Beni-Valid .. And also announced the capture of a large settlement of Urban, near the city of Giryan .. If this goes so, then the capture of Sirte and further progress to Benghazi is quite real .. And there is a direct road from Sirte to Jufra

    Right. Today, I just thought that in order to return the entire west of the country from terrorists, we must urgently take Beni Walida from the terrorists. And there are the nearest desert and semi-desert territories, there is nothing to do with the infantry of the official government, especially with the support of UAVs from the air.

    Soon, there will be a powerful trap for the forces of the UAE, Cairo, the Kremlin. Turkey has several surprises in this regard. Be patient.
  33. 013Azer
    013Azer 5 June 2020 22: 40 New
    +1
    I will post these 2 pictures as a question in the show "Where is the logic?" Azamat Musagaliev.


    What common?
  34. Angrybeard
    Angrybeard 6 June 2020 08: 08 New
    0
    What is there to discuss. Arab army. Against Turkish units. They will snore and throw everything at any skucher.
  35. sevryuk
    sevryuk 6 June 2020 17: 45 New
    0
    Quote: TatarinSSSR
    The Syrians now also need to strengthen their troops, clear the rear, restore the weapons rolled out by Turkish UAVs.

    Well, yes, yes - with 100kg bombs you can do it all!
  36. spectr
    spectr 6 June 2020 18: 55 New
    0
    Previously, PNS were buried, and now LNA. But most likely the Turks sent specialists, carried out reconnaissance, drew up a plan and, in accordance with it, transferred forces and equipment and carried out the operation. The main effect of surprise has already passed, so how will it develop further FIG knows.