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From the recollections of the Soviet tanker who fought on the German Tiger

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During the Great Patriotic War, the German military used Soviet captured equipment, Soviet soldiers and officers used German captured equipment. Nothing unusual - everyday life of war. In this regard, it is interesting how the soldiers fighting against each other spoke out about weapons and enemy military equipment.


The material on the YouTube channel Alexnott presents the testimonies of a Soviet tanker who got the opportunity to fly the German "Tiger". This armored vehicle was produced for tank troops of the Wehrmacht in the period from 1942 to 1944. In total, the German industry produced 1355 Tiger tanks, which were actively used, including on the Eastern Front.

By the time it became possible to control the Tiger tank, the Soviet tanker was a T-34 driver and fought for about 2 years.

During this time he changed three tanks, burned more than once. Received during this time the Order of the Patriotic War of the 1st degree and the Order of the Red Star. It was considered an experienced mechanical driver.

The tankman talks about how he was called to the battalion commander, who reported on the formation of the crew for the German trophy "Tiger". It turned out that German tankers “planted” the tank in a deep funnel.

Read more about the opinion expressed by the Soviet tanker about the German Tiger, about how he fought on this tank:

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  1. Civil
    Civil 5 June 2020 12: 39
    14
    It is a pity in the form of a retelling, it would be interesting to read directly .... but time is running out. And there are no more of them in the ranks ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 5 June 2020 16: 14
      23
      in the photo there is a "four" ...
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      2. Alexander Moiseev
        Alexander Moiseev 6 June 2020 07: 48
        -5
        This is a PZ-VI A "Tiger" with an 88mm anti-aircraft gun.
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 10: 08
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Moiseev
          This is a PZ-VI A "Tiger" with an 88mm anti-aircraft gun.


          where have you considered the "tiger with anti-aircraft gun", expert?
          1. ua1osm
            ua1osm 31 July 2020 13: 22
            0
            In the upper photo there is a modernized T-4, in the second photo there is a real tiger, it is twice as large.
            The tiger's gun is a modernized FLAK - 8,8 cm - FLUGABWEHRKANONE - literally translated as anti-aircraft (anti-aircraft) gun. Every kindergartner in Russia knows about this, and you are still in the kids?
        2. Bacha
          Bacha 8 June 2020 08: 28
          +1
          It’s enough to look at the rollers. Remember how they look like a tiger?
        3. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 29 July 2020 21: 10
          +1
          And where did you find the Tiger there? At least look at the tower, and at the same time at the 75mm cannon.
          To hell with him with a tower and a cannon, look at the rollers.
          Don't be smart if you don't understand anything.
        4. naGua
          naGua 30 July 2020 17: 20
          0
          Possibly Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. J Only embarrassed by the presence on the frontal vertical sheet in the center of the headlights with a slotted filter. He's usually on the left along the way. However, they could rearrange.
  2. Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 5 June 2020 12: 58
    +9
    Curious. It is interesting that the "Tiger" turned out to be more harmful to the economy of the Reich, because the car is incredibly complex and expensive, while it is very unreliable and difficult to maintain. It had a huge percentage of non-combat losses (about 50%).
    1. novel66
      novel66 5 June 2020 13: 10
      15
      the panthers have even more, they specifically broke
      1. svp67
        svp67 5 June 2020 15: 29
        +6
        Quote: Carnifexx
        It is interesting that the "Tiger" turned out to be more harmful to the economy of the Reich, because the car is incredibly complex and expensive, while it is very unreliable and difficult to maintain.

        Quote: novel xnumx
        the panthers have even more, they specifically broke

        Military equipment and the army in general, not to mention the conduct of military operations, is generally a very costly "part of the budget." And therefore it is necessary to compare not just monetary costs, but also their effectiveness. How effective was the Tiger or Panther tank. And I can tell you that these were very effective combat vehicles. And if you really understand, then in the price-efficiency ratio, they significantly surpassed the FAU-1 or FAU-2. Another question is that the Germans threw them into battle undeformed, but this is their grief ...
        And yet, an interesting photo of the captured "Panzer-4" with our soldiers, at first this modification of the "four" was confused with the "Tiger", and then, in order not to rewrite the reports, it was even called the "Tiger Type 4" tank
        1. novel66
          novel66 5 June 2020 15: 58
          0
          and here I would argue! a tiger type 4 is nothing more than a pz-4h with a long gun!
          1. svp67
            svp67 5 June 2020 16: 39
            +3
            Quote: novel xnumx
            and here I would argue! tiger type 4 is nothing more than a pz-4h with a long

            And in the photo at the beginning of the article?
            1. novel66
              novel66 5 June 2020 17: 11
              -2
              read Zemulin
              1. svp67
                svp67 5 June 2020 19: 22
                +8
                Quote: novel xnumx
                read Zemulin

                Thank you, a good chronicler of the Battle of Kursk, it’s doing a good job, but I’d better look and read the Soviet photo album based on the results of the Battle of Kursk ...


                1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                  Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 19: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: svp67
                  but I’d better look and read the Soviet photo album


                  yeah .... "TIGER heavy tank"))
                2. novel66
                  novel66 5 June 2020 20: 32
                  +3
                  and the result? although yes, the pictures are heart pleasing
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 5 June 2020 20: 33
                    14
                    Quote: novel xnumx
                    and the result?

                    The tanks are destroyed, but these are not Tigers, but Pz-4
                    1. novel66
                      novel66 5 June 2020 20: 51
                      0
                      Tanks destroyed

                      And this is the main point!!!!
                    2. Dr. Frankenstucker
                      Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 22: 18
                      +1
                      Yes, the 3rd Tank Regiment of the 2nd Panzerdivisia, where the tigers came from) Although yes, after the Eastern Front, in France 2 AP received 507 TTBs. All those who were not finished off in Russia were rasshrecheny in the Falezsky bag.
                      1. Real Vugluskr
                        Real Vugluskr 6 June 2020 18: 21
                        +1
                        Well, the photographer didn’t guess to google :)))
                      2. Dr. Frankenstucker
                        Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 21: 06
                        0
                        Yes to the photographer claims and no - a colorful portfolio, requiem of the Citadel)
              2. Edvid
                Edvid 6 June 2020 23: 39
                -1
                In the middle is clearly not "Tiger". The tiger does not have rollers supporting the caterpillar; it has disc rollers.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 7 June 2020 05: 22
                  +3
                  Quote: Edvid
                  The tiger has no tracks supporting the caterpillar, it has disc rollers.

                  Are there any side hatches in the tower?
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  3. ser56
    ser56 5 June 2020 13: 48
    +4
    Quote: Carnifexx
    ... It is interesting that the "Tiger" was more harmful to the economy of the Reich

    it's still Guderian noted ...
  4. Free wind
    Free wind 5 June 2020 14: 21
    +5
    Someone from Carius. fascist tanker, in the book "Tigers in the Mud" noted the high reliability, ease of maintenance and repair of the Tiger. The book is not anti-Soviet, not propagandistic. in contrast to the ardent anti-Soviet Rudel, it was written without insults and with respect for Soviet tankmen.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 5 June 2020 15: 01
      +5
      Quote: Free Wind
      noted the high reliability, ease of maintenance and repair of the Tiger.

      Yeah. It’s immediately obvious that it was not he who fumbled around the tank. yes Winter ... Less than ten after a thaw ... The chassis turned into a petrified monolith ... The task of the crew: to change the third inner skating rink ... wassat
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 5 June 2020 15: 29
        +7
        Any normal water fur won't throw a car in the mud. He will try to clean the hodovka from dirt, and the commander and crew will help in this. This applies to ours, it is now so, on tractors, and on cars the same. . You can’t clean it, the rollers freeze tightly, when you move the rollers they cannot scroll, the bandages grind like emery, 50-100 meters and the tank without bandages.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 5 June 2020 16: 12
          +1
          Quote: Free Wind
          Any normal water fur won't throw a car in the mud.

          So yes, but a person assumes, but ... In a word, real conditions are often far from ideal. yes hi
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 18: 31
          0
          Quote: Free Wind
          Any normal water fur won't throw a car in the mud.

          Of course he won’t give up. Otherwise, a tribunal. yes
        3. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 19: 06
          +1
          Quote: Free Wind
          Any normal water fur won't throw a car in the mud.


          I’m interested in something else - why did the crew violate the instructions for undermining the car when it was impossible to evacuate it from the air defense?
          It was strictly observed until the end of the war. Even in the Halb pot.
      2. ager1751
        ager1751 6 June 2020 15: 34
        0
        Well, they’ll change, what’s the problem?
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 5 June 2020 15: 27
      +2
      I read the book of Carius and I agree with you. hi
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 18: 42
        +1
        Quote: Sea Cat
        I read the book of Carius and I agree with you.

        My grandfather was a mechanical instructor at BT. Throw the car - the tribunal.
        1. Edvid
          Edvid 6 June 2020 23: 34
          +1
          The same Carius writes, as in 44g. with several tigers he destroyed a convoy of thirty Soviet T-34 tanks and several IS-2s. At the same time, one IS-2 was thrown by the Soviet crew in perfect working order and with full ammunition ... Carius first saw this tank. He was very impressed with the caliber of the gun ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 01: 58
            +1
            Quote: Edvid
            The same Carius writes, as in 44g.

            My grandfather was captured in the 42nd. The Germans ambushed the entire tank battalion from an ambush.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 7 June 2020 16: 43
              0
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              My grandfather was captured in the 42nd. The Germans ambushed the entire tank battalion from an ambush.

              Volodya, the truth of the war is bloody, cruel and clumsy ... My grandfather, Ovsyannikov Demyan Mikhailovich, was in the 2nd Guards Assault Army as part of a tank landing. They jumped directly from the armor into the trenches of the 1st line and led melee to capture them.
              But what the tankers remember about the "Tigers" ...
              From the memoirs of a veteran of the 63rd Guards. Tank Brigade of the Ural Volunteer Tank Corps
              N.Ya. Zheleznova:
              "... taking advantage of the fact that we have 76-mm cannons, which can take their armor in the forehead only from 500 meters, they stood in an open place. But try to come. He will burn you 1200-1500 meters away! They were arrogant! in essence, while the 85-mm cannon was not there, we, like hares, ran from the "tigers" and looked for an opportunity, as it were, to wriggle out and slam him into the side. It was hard. If you see that there is a "tiger" and begins to "baptize" you, then, while driving the barrel horizontally, you can still sit in the tank, as soon as you started driving vertically - you better jump out! You will burn! It was not like that with me, but the guys jumped out.
              Well, when the T-34-85 appeared, it was already possible to go one-on-one here ... "

              (M. Baryatinsky "Tigers" in battle ". Moscow, Yauza Eksmo, 2012, p.19)
              And yet, our grandfathers broke the ridge of the fascist reptile! And to all of Europe, who dutifully labored as a goalkeeper! Tolerasts, filthy collaborators who now demolish monuments to soldiers of the liberators ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 17: 27
                0
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                Well, when the T-34-85 appeared, it was already possible to go one-on-one here ... "

                I do not argue. But because of this, the T 34-85 was thrown into the heat. Despite the fact that other tanks tried to save a little. All the same, German aht-aht was better than our 85th. It's a shame, but a fact.
                1. EvilLion
                  EvilLion 9 June 2020 08: 43
                  0
                  Yes, it is no better, just unlike the 85 mm, she was lucky to be the "miracle weapon of the last hope." And when the Germans had heavy tanks, the Red Army could cope with them simply at the expense of mass. In particular, a real random with a penetration, much more fun than the VBR, and the first loss of a "tiger" from the fire of a 76 mm T-34 cannon occurred back in 1942, although it is believed that Soviet 76 mm BBHami did not penetrate 80 mm sides.
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 5 June 2020 13: 22
    +1
    It was necessary to remove the gun and make on its basis your own with such characteristics
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 5 June 2020 14: 06
      +6
      The Soviet anti-aircraft gun of 85 mm caliber has a common German ancestor with their guns .. It can be said a cousin of the German anti-aircraft gun, well, and the granddaughter of the Tiger Cannon. The Soviet, captured anti-aircraft guns, the Germans drilled barrels under 88 mm, and used on their anti-aircraft guns, maybe tanks.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 5 June 2020 15: 29
        +1
        The Soviet, captured anti-aircraft guns, the Germans drilled trunks under 88 mm
        and affectionately called her "Russian klystyr". (S. Dieter Nool. "The Adventures of Werner Holt").
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 12: 04
          0
          Quote: Sea Cat
          and affectionately called her "Russian klystyr"


          I don't remember, I think I read from Werner Müller that our K-3 (7,62 / 8,8 cm Flak M 31 (r)) was called by Luftwaffe artillerymen "Gilzorvanets" (Hülsenreiser) and "kickers".
      2. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 12: 06
        -1
        Quote: Free Wind
        maybe tanks.


        not used. Yuzali by appointment in the Luftwaffe.
    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 8 June 2020 14: 56
      +1
      "... It was necessary to remove the cannon and make on its basis our own with such characteristics
      ..."
      - easy to say ...
      A front sight is not only dimensions and drawings,
      This is Yes and STEEL COMPOSITION,
      and also - TECHNOLOGY of their processing and assembly order ...
      ..
      So it’s better to do YOURSELF - under ALREADY DEVELOPED
      materials and technologies.

      and this is the materiel.
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 9 June 2020 08: 50
      +1
      Even in WoT, you can find the so-called. D-5T-85BM, as the top gun on the T-34-85 with a playable penetration of 144 mm. In reality, this contraption is unlikely to stand on the T-34-85, since it was an analogue of 88/71. The gun was tested on KV, but did not go into production for some reason. At the same time, the D-25T not only surpasses 88/71 times and a half in muzzle energy, but also contrary to the widespread misconception caused, among other things, by the need to somehow balance this monster in the computer. games, had similar accuracy. So the "gloomy Teutonic genius" against the background of simple Russian clubs, causes only laughter.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 5 June 2020 13: 40
    +2
    Yesterday there was a publication about the engine repair of the Panther, Tiger. Judging by the photos, I would not say that this is some kind of tricked-out unit. Here are four carburetors, it is probably difficult to adjust and synchronize, and there is nothing particularly terrible, although it is not visible how the intake manifolds are arranged, if they are all connected to each other, then this is not a problem. With many malfunctions, the car remained mobile, and the ability to fight, repair will wait. This also applies to our tanks. I recall one story. Tankers have their last classes before graduation. Teacher, so you got acquainted with the device of the tank, are there any questions? Do you have any questions, cadet? Cadet, everything is clear, only it is not clear, but where is the horse? The neighbor from the back is pushing, and whispers, ask why the hat is talking. smile
  • Blue fox
    Blue fox 5 June 2020 14: 50
    +8
    Personally, I have a feeling from the video as from the majority of pseudo-military "smart" articles on military topics on Yandex-Zen. The author did not name whose memories these were and where he found this information from. In addition, the text is composed in general, competently, but somehow lubovly, in fact, with a listing of the main shortcomings of the Tiger (some are very, very controversial in reality, for example, the time of the full turn of the tower) and its advantages with pulling up the "storyline" under it.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 5 June 2020 15: 41
      +2
      Indeed, some words raise questions, the radio operator prompts the way, leaning out of the driver’s hatch. So the tank commander should direct the actions of the driver, not the radio operator .. The slow rotation of the tower is compensated by the actions of the driver, but this requires coherence of the crew and a competent commander. And here is the crew: mechanic, radio operator, gunner. And where are the rest, at least where is the commander.
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 18: 37
        +3
        Quote: Free Wind
        And here is the crew: mechanic, radio operator, gunner. And where are the rest, at least where is the commander.


        in a real episode, which the author took for his composition, the crew consisted of six people.
        Mekhvod foreman Vasily Kilevnik by that time had been at war for three years and had two Red Stars.
        Of course, 28 GTB did not lead a tiger from a good life - by that time, 7 T-34s and 5 T-70s remained on the brigade.
    2. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 18: 03
      +3
      Quote: Blue Fox
      Personally, I have a feeling from the video as from the majority of pseudo-war "smart" articles

      agree. This is the author's speculations, passed off for persuasiveness as the "memories" of a "tanker". There are tons of this junk on the net.
    3. Zug
      Zug 6 June 2020 11: 57
      +1
      Turning the Tiger Tower with full deposition of the turn pedal is 1 minute; the slowest move is 1 hour
      1. Tuzik
        Tuzik 11 June 2020 05: 32
        -1
        Quote: Zug
        Turning the Tiger Tower with full deposition of the turn pedal is 1 minute; the slowest move is 1 hour

        And how many in the thirty-four?
    4. ager1751
      ager1751 6 June 2020 15: 40
      +1
      I agree. I never understood why a slow turn is bad. The self-propelled guns did not have a turn at all. In addition, the tiger could quickly tighten the hull. Rather fictional memory.
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 20: 53
        +1
        Quote: ager1751
        Rather fictional memory.


        huh! This is already a separate genre - shkolota studies materiel on the wargaming site, composes "memories", putting them in the mouth of a fictional "veteran" for convincingness, sculpts a video on his knee, reading off-screen text in a nasal pubertal voice ...
        Ugh, in short. No value.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 9 June 2020 08: 54
        +1
        Self-propelled guns go in the second echelon, while changing the direction of attack of a self-propelled battery of WWII times is impossible. About the do-it-yourself hull is not even funny. Less in comp. play games.
  • seagull
    seagull 5 June 2020 15: 03
    +4
    The first photo is not "Tiger".
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 5 June 2020 15: 21
      +1
      Right Panzer 4 ...
    2. Errr
      Errr 5 June 2020 17: 58
      +1
      Quote: seagull
      The first photo is not "Tiger".
      That's right. This photo captures Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.J.
  • 113262a
    113262a 5 June 2020 16: 22
    +7
    Grandfather said that somehow they captured the German Rimbat. (Or how they have it there!) It is on the repair of armored vehicles. Amazed by the huge number of special tools and even a mobile film studio, there is a movie camera, and a developing and a movie camera! The Germans filmed all the rational suggestions of their techies and, again, showed staff training films on car repairs, shared their experience! A few kungs with trailers are just different ways and pullers, each under its own number, clean and tidy. The find was reported UP, but by the time the commission arrived, some of the goodness had been stolen by our kulibins. By the way, in the case of damage, the same Fritz’s inner rollers were changed within 15 minutes using the same special tool. That is, the repair process was thought out even at the design stage of the nodes.
    1. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 8 June 2020 15: 11
      0
      "... By the way, in case of damage, the same inner rollers of the Fritzes were changed within 15 minutes using the same special tool
      ..."
      - That tank stood in the FIELD (mine, grenade, PTR)
      The crew got out "on the armor" - and AUUUUuuuu, remba-aat !!!!

      - smiled.
      8-))

      "... Several boxes with trailers are just different fittings and pullers, each with its own number, clean and tidy.
      ..."
      - Nuuu - here is one of the "kungs"
      - aviation chopped off, stuck in a ditch, drowned at the crossing, was blown up by a mine, lagged behind due to a malfunction
      and where are those "numbers of pullers" and "special tools" to look for
      .....
      - How many Germans do not fight - but nothing changes in the govov of staff theoreticians.
      as Leo Tolstoy wrote there:
      Die erste Kolonne marschiert, die zweite Kolonne marschiert ... (di erste coponne marshiert, di zweite coponne marshiert)
      The first column is marching, the second column is marching ... From the novel "War and Peace" (1868) by L. I. Tolstoy (1828-1910). The words of the German general in the Russian service Pfuel, who in the novel draws up a plan for the 1812 campaign against Napoleon and reads out some of his provisions to the Russian military leaders
      Tolstoy made his hero and his reasoning a symbol of the formulaic Prussian military tactics, which are predominantly "paper" in nature and completely ignore the creative nature of the conduct of hostilities. This phrase, in which the columns march in a "prescribed order", is usually quoted in German (so as General Pful and Leo Tolstoy expressed it) as an ironic commentary on someone's purely abstract, speculative plan, which does not take into account reality and looks more like a list of good wishes than a serious program of action.

      - It’s purely written in paper, but they forgot about GVAS - how to walk on them.
      1. 113262a
        113262a 10 June 2020 12: 41
        +1
        Duc, after undermining a mine, even if the crew is alive, the lever of the rollers is bending, and again, REMBAAAAT! Because without autogen, to remove it in a clean field even on the same T-80 and 72 is IMPOSSIBLE! And the Germans simply dragged the wrecked cars to the rear and repaired CORRECTLY!
  • Dr. Frankenstucker
    Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 18: 24
    +2
    The case of the capture of a serviceable tiger 507 Schw.Abt, stuck in a crater, took place on December 27.12.1943, 28, Belorussian Front, 39 GTB of the XNUMXth Army, near the village of Sinyavki. Obviously, based on this story, the comrade blinded his "memories". So to speak, "based on real events"
    But not "four more", but five more, besides him - the trophy crew consisted of six people.
    The name of the driver is well known - Guard foreman Kylevnik.
    The crew "mastered" the car in two days, painted over the crosses and wrote "tiger".
    The first battle was on 06.01.1944/34/70, together with one T-XNUMX and one T-XNUMX, entered the village of Sinyavki, where they dug in cars and held the village for two days.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 9 June 2020 08: 56
      +2
      And write "YOUR OWN !!!" he could not?
  • Yurij Alekseev
    Yurij Alekseev 5 June 2020 19: 34
    10 th
    Actually it was not welcomed in the Red Army, and then the Soviet, the use of captured weapons and equipment in battles .. Like, so as not to praise the enemy’s weapons ..
    But there have been isolated cases ..
    I'm talking about equipment .. And weapons .. So it was necessary to fight something .. And many had to get it in battle ..
    It was .. Everything was .. And everything happened .. And seven with one screw with three rounds went on the attack .. Everything was ..
    But for some reason we don’t want to remember about these life lessons ..
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 22: 33
      19
      Quote: Yurij Alekseev
      But there have been isolated cases ..


      what nafig, "single" ??
      Guard Captain Panin fought on "shtuga" for two (!) years, from March 43 until the end of the war!
      in the 18th Army 4 UV, the “Separate Army Battalion of Trophy Tanks” was formed with 15 Hungarian vehicles.
      Read about the battles in the Balaton area - you will be very surprised by the fact that 3 UV plugged holes in the materiel with trophy "naskhorns" and "hummels" in order to hold back the counterstrike of the 6th SS TD!
      etc.

      no need to carry pathetic game, study the materiel.
    2. shoroh
      shoroh 6 June 2020 09: 18
      +6
      Do not carry nonsense about seven with one rifle, seen Mikhalkov apparently with his weary sun. In the USSR there was an abundance of means of warfare, industry ensured the continuous supply of weapons and ammunition to the front, and it was the superiority of Soviet industry over German that made the main contribution to the Victory! All these stories about one rifle for three works in the period of the 90s.
    3. waleri
      waleri 6 June 2020 09: 58
      0
      Hello! Everything was! I agree, this is life in all its diversity! So far, our Katyushas have not been fried, the Americans have shot at ours! father said, since then, I do not believe in the virtue of the Americans and the Anglo-Saxons! Good luck to all of us! So I think
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 12: 38
        0
        Quote: waleri
        So far, our Katyushas have not been fried, the Americans have shot at ours!


        it is when?
        1. Hwostatij
          Hwostatij 6 June 2020 17: 29
          +1
          In parallel reality, obviously
          1. Dr. Frankenstucker
            Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 21: 58
            -4
            Quote: Hwostatij
            In parallel reality, obviously


            quieter, quieter, otherwise the friend will publish on VO "memories" ..... laughing
        2. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 8 June 2020 15: 41
          0
          And this is when Zhukov’s troops came into contact with American troops
          (Montgomery, if not mistaken).
          - They drive the fascists - on the one hand, ours, and on the other hand, Americans.
          Everyone feels: they will meet soon. Possible misunderstandings must be prevented.
          - Representatives of the allied command gathered, identified signs for the designation of troops
          (this, by the way, then red flags tied to the towers of tanks
          - as an identification mark for the allies - well, like, not fascists ...)
          And our people began to notice that, sort of like the Nazis were no longer in front of us,
          The sounds of the shots are not quite the same, the shape is not the same color - but they shoot no worse than the Nazis.
          - Report to Zhukov - that, like, sort of - as if we were no longer fighting the Germans.
          - He asks: Negotiated identification signals are given? - Served!
          Are red flags above the tanks? - Exhibited!
          The trouble is that - on the other side - they DO NOT notice.
          .
          So, they don’t notice ?!
          - Well, WE WILL NOT ALSO BE MISSED.
          ORDER:
          - To fight as if it were fascists in front of you !.
          .
          - And in one day - the front went 20 kilometers to the west.
          .
          - And OH MIRACLE!
          The next day - "on the other side" and flags above the tanks, and that's it.
          identification signals - everyone SEEED - well, like "suddenly saw the light" ...
          - ABOUT! Rus, Rus, comrade! Friendship chewing gum!

          As they say - nothing personal - just operational comparisons of the fighting efficiency of the troops
          - within the framework of assessing the feasibility of the planned Churchill operation: "Unthinkable"

          Py Sy.
          I think I heard this story on the radio
          in the memoirs of some veteran - even before the start of perestroika.
          - But then the "patriots" cleaned everything up well.
          - In any case, in modern "networks" SUCH memoirs
          I did not find.
          8- (
          1. Dr. Frankenstucker
            Dr. Frankenstucker 8 June 2020 16: 51
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            Yes, you can suck up "memories" a lot. There would be a finger.
            Quote: tikhonov66
            - within the framework of assessing the feasibility of the planned Churchill operation: "Unthinkable"

            thanks, laughed.

            Dreamers with "memories" got divorced ...
    4. Zug
      Zug 6 June 2020 12: 02
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      There were several repair plants for the repair of captured equipment. And about shooting and ammunition, yes. There was a huge front but the commanders are different everywhere. Somewhere they allowed it, they forbade it somewhere.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 9 June 2020 09: 03
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        For the sake of one tank, which may also become the cause of friendly fire, not everyone will bother. Again, sensible people need to be allocated, where to get them. Although such an interesting case is known when the brigade on the T-70 intercepted the T-34-85 from the Germans. And willingly took it to herself. Not to search now on the whole front for those mongrels that the Germans had fallen in love with.
    5. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 8 June 2020 15: 17
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      "... But for some reason we no longer want to remember about these life lessons.
      ..."
      - You are "FOR US" - DO NOT NEED!
      You are more and more about YOURSELF, about YOURSELF all-how to write more ...
      And "WE" - We still REMEMBER !!!

      We passed - we walked half the world with you ...
      - If necessary, repeat!
      Soldiers on the road, on the road, on the road.
    6. EvilLion
      EvilLion 9 June 2020 08: 59
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      For example, the "panthers" were equipped with the best tankers and were used as an anti-tank weapon, fortunately with a breakdown they have even better than the bunker 88/56.

      And already Pz-III and its derivatives which compiled the operating instructions and were printed at printing houses.

      And seven with one screw with three rounds went on the attack .. Everything was ..


      In Berlin, the 45th. This was often the case with the Volksturm. But you spit on grandfathers further. Where do you just come from ...
      1. Barmal
        Barmal 10 June 2020 00: 28
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        Sorry, the finger on the minus slipped instead of the plus. With me two
    7. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      Kuzmich Sibiryakov 10 August 2020 00: 49
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      Quote: Yurij Alekseev
      Actually it was not welcomed in the Red Army, and then the Soviet, the use of captured weapons and equipment in battles .. Like, so as not to praise the enemy’s weapons ..
      But there have been isolated cases ..
      I'm talking about equipment .. And weapons .. So it was necessary to fight something .. And many had to get it in battle ..
      It was .. Everything was .. And everything happened .. And seven with one screw with three rounds went on the attack .. Everything was ..
      But for some reason we don’t want to remember about these life lessons ..

      Another heresy. The warriors who had tasted the present knew perfectly well who and what was fighting against him. My father-in-law, a forty-five artilleryman, a foreman, a gun commander, carried MG-42 with him. And, he says, he saved the crew many times. They put them in front, there was no cover. They brushed it off with this machine. And the trophyers trying to take away, he drove away with the pistol that was supposed to him. And, he says, half the war I saw one dream - they put a sight on his little fluff, like the Germans. He saw many of them. And when they put it (it seems, I don’t remember exactly 5 times, but I’m too lazy to look for it on the internet), he said that, x ... now you’ll take me. He fought from Moscow to Mudanjiang, going to Königsberg on the way. Rest in peace.
  • Dr. Frankenstucker
    Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 22: 35
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    [quote = Dr. Frankenshtuzer] [quote = Yurij Alekseev] But there have been a few cases .. [/ quote]

    what nafig, "single" ??
    Guard Captain Panin fought on "shtuga" for two (!) years, from March 43 until the end of the war!
    in the 18th Army 4 UV, the “Separate Army Battalion of Trophy Tanks” was formed with 15 Hungarian vehicles.
    Read about the battles in the Balaton area - you will be very surprised by the fact that 3 UV plugged holes in the materiel with trophy "naskhorns" and "hummels" in order to hold back the counterstrike of the 6th SS TD!
    etc.

    no need to carry pathetic game about

    [quote] Type, so as not to praise the enemy’s weapons [/ quote]

    study the materiel.
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      Kuzmich Sibiryakov 10 August 2020 01: 00
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      Quote: Dr. Frankenshtuzer
      no need to carry pathetic game about

      Like, so as not to praise the enemy's weapons

      Type of speech is not a warrior, but a commissar who sat through the whole war at meetings and in smoking rooms.
  • Edgar
    Edgar 6 June 2020 15: 22
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    Obviously, there are different tanks in the photo and in the story. In the photo there are Red Army soldiers on the "four" (PzKpfw IV), this can be determined by the type of road wheels. And the video tells about the tank "with a staggered arrangement of rollers", which were, namely, the "Tiger" PzKpfw VI.
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 15: 31
      +1
      Yes, this is a no brainer. Well, there is no original photo of a tiger with red stars, what to do)
      1. Edgar
        Edgar 6 June 2020 17: 02
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        Not all hedgehogs.))
  • Tests
    Tests 6 June 2020 19: 45
    +1
    Yurij Alekseev (Yurij Alekseev), dear, actually the Germans fought much better than the Russians, their generals and officers - all with education and combat experience, soldiers - pros with combat experience, equipment never left on the battlefield, never surrendered , So?
    How did it happen that yesterday's collective farmer, my beloved grandmother, one of the younger brothers - Ivan Georgievich Testov, received the medal "For Courage" during the storming of the "impregnable fortress" of Koenigsberg as part of the 75th separate artillery division of special power, which was armed with 4 captured guns 211- mm K-38? And there were four such divisions in the Red Army: 7; sixteen; 16; 75, a total of 105 captured guns. In addition to the 16th, another 75 beat the Nazis at the front, which means there were shells (105kg each). The 120 t cannons were disassembled into 25,3 carts during transportation, there were no wheels, towing was not very convenient, but ... And representatives of the Nordic race surrendered not only in Stalingrad and Belarus, but also defending their "impregnable fortresses". Here is the award list for the grandmother's brother from the "Feat of the People": http://podvignaroda.mil.ru/?#id=3&tab=navDetailDocument
  • gregoryivanov
    gregoryivanov 7 June 2020 04: 44
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    author! Kill the apsten! If I needed to watch the video, I would have found it on YouTube even without you.
  • totsamyitip
    totsamyitip 7 June 2020 08: 45
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    It looks like all fours) A tiger phobia is a terrible thing, but the tank is excellent in skillful hands, as Vitka Vitman showed))) And so I saw only one photo of the Tiger with Soviet machine guns;)

    https://ru-artillery.livejournal.com/382496.html
    1. technarj
      technarj 29 July 2020 16: 18
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      Excellent - if you stand in defense as a PT. And on the offensive, through the swamp? And the cruising range at one gas station? Etc., including reliability.

      Remind me how many Germans were in 41m - and ours in 44m? If there were the main tank Tiger - no matter how many km. were they able to drive?
  • Bystryag
    Bystryag 30 July 2020 02: 38
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    Complete freedom of imagination and no censorship, in the photo the tank T-4. Tigers were difficult to operate even for the Germans. When the tank was abandoned, the hydraulic gun guidance drive was disabled. Even if a serviceable tank with ammunition was received, it could be effectively used in defense by qualified people of whom there were not many. Therefore, they were quickly melted in Chelyabinsk into our tanks.
    And it was not safe to drive around the front edge with crosses on the armor.
  • misti1973
    misti1973 22 August 2020 19: 20
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    In the first photo pz.
  • Alexander Moiseev
    Alexander Moiseev 7 September 2020 13: 07
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    The bottom photo shows "Tiger-1". And on the top - "Panzer-4". Everything is clearly visible on the rollers.