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From the recollections of the Soviet tanker who fought on the German Tiger

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During the Great Patriotic War, the German military used Soviet captured equipment, Soviet soldiers and officers used German captured equipment. Nothing unusual - everyday life of war. In this regard, it is interesting how the soldiers fighting against each other spoke out about weapons and enemy military equipment.


The material on the YouTube channel Alexnott presents the testimonies of a Soviet tanker who got the opportunity to fly the German "Tiger". This armored vehicle was produced for tank troops of the Wehrmacht in the period from 1942 to 1944. In total, the German industry produced 1355 Tiger tanks, which were actively used, including on the Eastern Front.

By the time it became possible to control the Tiger tank, the Soviet tanker was a T-34 driver and fought for about 2 years.

During this time he changed three tanks, burned more than once. Received during this time the Order of the Patriotic War of the 1st degree and the Order of the Red Star. It was considered an experienced mechanical driver.

The tankman talks about how he was called to the battalion commander, who reported on the formation of the crew for the German trophy "Tiger". It turned out that German tankers “planted” the tank in a deep funnel.

Read more about the opinion expressed by the Soviet tanker about the German Tiger, about how he fought on this tank:

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  1. Civil
    Civil 5 June 2020 12: 39 New
    14
    It is a pity in the form of a retelling, it would be interesting to read directly .... but time is running out. And there are no more of them in the ranks ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 5 June 2020 16: 14 New
      23
      in the photo the "four" ...
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      2. Alexander Moiseev
        Alexander Moiseev 6 June 2020 07: 48 New
        -5
        This is the PZ-VI A Tiger with a 88mm anti-aircraft gun.
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 10: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Moiseev
          This is the PZ-VI A Tiger with a 88mm anti-aircraft gun.


          where did you consider the "tiger with anti-aircraft guns", expert?
          1. ua1osm
            ua1osm 31 July 2020 13: 22 New
            0
            In the upper photo there is a modernized T-4, in the second photo there is a real tiger, it is twice as large.
            The tiger's gun is a modernized FLAK - 8,8 cm - FLUGABWEHRKANONE - literally translated as anti-aircraft (anti-aircraft) gun. Every kindergartner in Russia knows about this, and you are still in the kids?
        2. Bacha
          Bacha 8 June 2020 08: 28 New
          +1
          It’s enough to look at the rollers. Remember how they look like a tiger?
        3. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 29 July 2020 21: 10 New
          +1
          And where did you find the Tiger there? At least look at the tower, and at the same time at the 75mm cannon.
          To hell with him with a tower and a cannon, look at the rollers.
          Don't be smart if you don't understand anything.
        4. naGua
          naGua 30 July 2020 17: 20 New
          0
          Possibly Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. J Only embarrassed by the presence on the frontal vertical sheet in the center of the headlights with a slotted filter. He's usually on the left along the way. However, they could rearrange.
  2. Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 5 June 2020 12: 58 New
    +9
    Curious. It is interesting that the Tiger turned out to be more harmful to the economy of the Reich, because the car is incredibly complex and expensive, while it is not very reliable and difficult to maintain. It had a huge percentage of non-combat losses (about 50%).
    1. novel66
      novel66 5 June 2020 13: 10 New
      15
      the panthers have even more, they specifically broke
      1. svp67
        svp67 5 June 2020 15: 29 New
        +6
        Quote: Carnifexx
        It is interesting that the Tiger turned out to be more harmful to the economy of the Reich, because the car is incredibly complicated and expensive, while it is not very reliable and difficult to maintain.

        Quote: novel xnumx
        the panthers have even more, they specifically broke

        In general, military equipment and the army, not to mention the conduct of hostilities, are generally a very expensive “part of the budget”. And therefore it is necessary to compare not just cash costs, but also their effectiveness. How effective was the Tiger or Panther tank. And I will tell you that these were very effective fighting vehicles. And if you already understand, then in the price-effectiveness ratio they significantly exceeded the FAU-1 or FAU-2. Another question is that the Germans threw them into battle unclaimed, but this is their grief ...
        And yet, an interesting photo of the captured Panzer 4 with our fighters, at first it was this modification of the Quartet that was confused with the Tiger, and then, in order not to rewrite the reports, they even called it the Tiger Type 4 tank
        1. novel66
          novel66 5 June 2020 15: 58 New
          0
          and here I would argue! a tiger type 4 is nothing more than a pz-4h with a long gun!
          1. svp67
            svp67 5 June 2020 16: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: novel xnumx
            and here I would argue! tiger type 4 is nothing more than a pz-4h with a long

            And in the photo at the beginning of the article?
            1. novel66
              novel66 5 June 2020 17: 11 New
              -2
              read Zemulin
              1. svp67
                svp67 5 June 2020 19: 22 New
                +8
                Quote: novel xnumx
                read Zemulin

                Thank you, a good chronicler of the Battle of Kursk, it’s doing a good job, but I’d better look and read the Soviet photo album based on the results of the Battle of Kursk ...


                1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                  Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 19: 28 New
                  +2
                  Quote: svp67
                  but I’d better look and read the Soviet photo album


                  yeah .... "TIGER heavy tank"))
                2. novel66
                  novel66 5 June 2020 20: 32 New
                  +3
                  and the result? although yes, the pictures are heart pleasing
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 5 June 2020 20: 33 New
                    14
                    Quote: novel xnumx
                    and the result?

                    Tanks destroyed, but this is not the "Tigers", namely Pz-4
                    1. novel66
                      novel66 5 June 2020 20: 51 New
                      0
                      Tanks destroyed

                      And this is the main point!!!!
                    2. Dr. Frankenstucker
                      Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 22: 18 New
                      +1
                      Yes, the 3rd Tank Regiment of the 2nd Panzerdivisia, where the tigers came from) Although yes, after the Eastern Front, in France 2 AP received 507 TTBs. All those who were not finished off in Russia were rasshrecheny in the Falezsky bag.
                      1. Real Vugluskr
                        Real Vugluskr 6 June 2020 18: 21 New
                        +1
                        Well, the photographer didn’t guess to google :)))
                      2. Dr. Frankenstucker
                        Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 21: 06 New
                        0
                        Yes to the photographer claims and no - a colorful portfolio, requiem of the Citadel)
              2. Edvid
                Edvid 6 June 2020 23: 39 New
                -1
                In the middle, obviously not the Tiger. The tiger has no tracks supporting the caterpillar, it has disc rollers.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 7 June 2020 05: 22 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Edvid
                  The tiger has no tracks supporting the caterpillar, it has disc rollers.

                  Are there any side hatches in the tower?
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  3. ser56
    ser56 5 June 2020 13: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: Carnifexx
    . Interestingly, the "Tiger" was more harmful to the economy of the Reich

    it's still Guderian noted ...
  4. Free wind
    Free wind 5 June 2020 14: 21 New
    +5
    Someone from the carious. Nazi tanker, in the book "Tigers in the mud" noted the high reliability, ease of maintenance and repair of the Tiger. The book is not anti-Soviet, not propaganda. unlike the ardent anti-adviser of the rudel, it was written without insults and with respect to Soviet tankers.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 5 June 2020 15: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: Free Wind
      noted the high reliability, ease of maintenance and repair of the Tiger.

      Yeah. It’s immediately obvious that it was not he who fumbled around the tank. yes Winter ... Less than ten after a thaw ... The chassis turned into a petrified monolith ... The task of the crew: to change the third inner skating rink ... wassat
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 5 June 2020 15: 29 New
        +7
        Any normal water fur won't throw a car in the mud. He will try to clean the hodovka from dirt, and the commander and crew will help in this. This applies to ours, it is now so, on tractors, and on cars the same. . You can’t clean it, the rollers freeze tightly, when you move the rollers they cannot scroll, the bandages grind like emery, 50-100 meters and the tank without bandages.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 5 June 2020 16: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Free Wind
          Any normal water fur won't throw a car in the mud.

          So yes, but a person assumes, but ... In a word, real conditions are often far from ideal. yes hi
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 18: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Free Wind
          Any normal water fur won't throw a car in the mud.

          Of course he won’t give up. Otherwise, a tribunal. yes
        3. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 19: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Free Wind
          Any normal water fur won't throw a car in the mud.


          I’m interested in something else - why did the crew violate the instructions for undermining the car when it was impossible to evacuate it from the air defense?
          It was strictly observed until the end of the war. Even in the Halb pot.
      2. ager1751
        ager1751 6 June 2020 15: 34 New
        0
        Well, they’ll change, what’s the problem?
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 5 June 2020 15: 27 New
      +2
      I read the book of Carius and I agree with you. hi
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 18: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Sea Cat
        I read the book of Carius and I agree with you.

        My grandfather was a mechanical instructor at BT. Throw the car - the tribunal.
        1. Edvid
          Edvid 6 June 2020 23: 34 New
          +1
          The same Carius writes, as in 44g. with several tigers he destroyed a convoy of thirty Soviet T-34 tanks and several IS-2s. At the same time, one IS-2 was thrown by the Soviet crew in perfect working order and with full ammunition ... Carius first saw this tank. He was very impressed with the caliber of the gun ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 01: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Edvid
            The same Carius writes, as in 44g.

            My grandfather was captured in the 42nd. The Germans ambushed the entire tank battalion from an ambush.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 7 June 2020 16: 43 New
              0
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              My grandfather was captured in the 42nd. The Germans ambushed the entire tank battalion from an ambush.

              Volodya, the truth of the war is bloody, cruel and clumsy ... My grandfather, Ovsyannikov Demyan Mikhailovich, was in the 2nd Guards Assault Army as part of a tank landing. They jumped directly from the armor into the trenches of the 1st line and led melee to capture them.
              But what tankers recall about the Tigers ...
              From the memoirs of a veteran of the 63rd Guards. Tank Brigade of the Ural Volunteer Tank Corps
              N.Ya. Zheleznova:
              "... taking advantage of the fact that we have 76-mm guns that can take their armor from only 500 meters on the forehead, they stood in the open. But try to come in. He will burn you for 1200-1500 meters! They were arrogant! essentially, while the 85-mm gun was gone, we, like hares, ran from the “tigers” and looked for an opportunity to turn out and slap him on board. It was hard. If you see that a tiger is standing at a distance of 800-1000 meters and begins to "baptize" you, while you are driving horizontally, you can still sit in the tank, as soon as you begin to drive vertically - you better jump out! Burn out! This was not with me, but the guys jumped out.
              Well, when the T-34-85 appeared, it was already possible to go one on one ... "

              (M. Baryatinsky “Tigers in battle”. Moscow, Yauza Eksmo, 2012, p. 19)
              And yet, our grandfathers broke the ridge of the fascist reptile! And to all of Europe, who dutifully labored as a goalkeeper! Tolerasts, filthy collaborators who now demolish monuments to soldiers of the liberators ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 7 June 2020 17: 27 New
                0
                Quote: BoA KAA
                Well, when the T-34-85 appeared, it was already possible to go one on one ... "

                I do not argue. But because of this, the T 34-85 was thrown into the heat. Despite the fact that other tanks tried to save a little. All the same, German aht-aht was better than our 85th. It's a shame, but a fact.
                1. EvilLion
                  EvilLion 9 June 2020 08: 43 New
                  0
                  Yes, it’s no better, it’s just, unlike 85 mm, it’s lucky to be a “miracle weapon of last hope”. And when the Germans appeared heavy tanks, the Red Army could cope with them simply due to mass. In particular, a real random penetration, which is much more fun than VBR, and the first loss of a “tiger” from the fire of a 76 mm T-34 gun occurred in 1942, although it is believed that the Soviet 76 mm BBhs did not penetrate 80 mm sides.
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 5 June 2020 13: 22 New
    +1
    It was necessary to remove the gun and make on its basis your own with such characteristics
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 5 June 2020 14: 06 New
      +6
      The Soviet anti-aircraft gun of 85 mm caliber has a common German ancestor with their guns .. It can be said a cousin of the German anti-aircraft gun, well, and the granddaughter of the Tiger Cannon. The Soviet, captured anti-aircraft guns, the Germans drilled barrels under 88 mm, and used on their anti-aircraft guns, maybe tanks.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 5 June 2020 15: 29 New
        +1
        The Soviet, captured anti-aircraft guns, the Germans drilled trunks under 88 mm
        and affectionately called her "Russian Klystir." (S. Dieter Noole. "The Adventures of Werner Holt").
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 12: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Sea Cat
          and affectionately called her "Russian Klystir"


          I don’t remember, it seems, I read from Werner Müller that our K-3 (7,62 / 8,8 cm Flak M 31 (r)) gunners called the Luftwaffe “Gilsorvanets” (Hülsenraiser) and “Brykun”.
      2. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 12: 06 New
        -1
        Quote: Free Wind
        maybe tanks.


        not used. Yuzali by appointment in the Luftwaffe.
    2. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 8 June 2020 14: 56 New
      +1
      "... It was necessary to remove the gun and make on its basis your own with such characteristics
      ... "
      - easy to say ...
      A front sight is not only dimensions and drawings,
      This is Yes and STEEL COMPOSITION,
      and also - TECHNOLOGY of their processing and assembly order ...
      ..
      So it’s better to do YOURSELF - under ALREADY DEVELOPED
      materials and technologies.

      and this is the materiel.
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion 9 June 2020 08: 50 New
      +1
      Even in WoT you can meet the so-called. D-5T-85BM, as a top gun on the T-34-85 with a game penetration of 144 mm. In reality, this contraption would hardly have stood on the T-34-85, since it was an analogue of 88/71. The gun was tested on HF, but did not go into the series for some reason. At the same time, the D-25T not only surpasses 88/71 times one and a half times in muzzle energy, but also contrary to a widespread misconception caused, among other things, by the need to somehow balance this monster in a computer. games, had similar accuracy to it. So the “gloomy Teutonic genius” against the background of simple Russian clubs causes only laughter.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 5 June 2020 13: 40 New
    +2
    Yesterday there was a publication about the engine repair of the Panther, Tiger. Judging by the photos, I would not say that this is some kind of tricked-out unit. Here are four carburetors, it is probably difficult to adjust and synchronize, and there is nothing particularly terrible, although it is not visible how the intake manifolds are arranged, if they are all connected to each other, then this is not a problem. With many malfunctions, the car remained mobile, and the ability to fight, repair will wait. This also applies to our tanks. I recall one story. Tankers have their last classes before graduation. Teacher, so you got acquainted with the device of the tank, are there any questions? Do you have any questions, cadet? Cadet, everything is clear, only it is not clear, but where is the horse? The neighbor from the back is pushing, and whispers, ask why the hat is talking. smile
  • Blue fox
    Blue fox 5 June 2020 14: 50 New
    +8
    Personally, I feel from the video as from most pseudo-war smart articles on military topics on Yandex Zen. The author never named whose memories they were and where he found this information from. In addition, the text was generally composed correctly, but somehow misleading, in fact, listing the main shortcomings of the Tiger (some are very, very controversial in reality, for example, the time the tower was completely rotated) and its advantages with pulling up the “story” line under it.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 5 June 2020 15: 41 New
      +2
      Indeed, some words raise questions, the radio operator prompts the way, leaning out of the driver’s hatch. So the tank commander should direct the actions of the driver, not the radio operator .. The slow rotation of the tower is compensated by the actions of the driver, but this requires coherence of the crew and a competent commander. And here is the crew: mechanic, radio operator, gunner. And where are the rest, at least where is the commander.
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 18: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: Free Wind
        And here is the crew: mechanic, radio operator, gunner. And where are the rest, at least where is the commander.


        in a real episode, which the author took for his composition, the crew consisted of six people.
        Mekhvod foreman Vasily Kilevnik by that time had been at war for three years and had two Red Stars.
        Of course, 28 GTB did not lead a tiger from a good life - by that time, 7 T-34s and 5 T-70s remained on the brigade.
    2. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 18: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Blue Fox
      Personally, I feel from the video as from most pseudo-war smart articles

      in solidarity. These are the author’s brains, issued for persuasiveness for the “memories” of a certain “tanker”. This junk in the network tons.
    3. Train
      Train 6 June 2020 11: 57 New
      +1
      Turning the Tiger Tower with full deposition of the turn pedal is 1 minute; the slowest move is 1 hour
      1. Tuzik
        Tuzik 11 June 2020 05: 32 New
        -1
        Quote: Zug
        Turning the Tiger Tower with full deposition of the turn pedal is 1 minute; the slowest move is 1 hour

        And how many in the thirty-four?
    4. ager1751
      ager1751 6 June 2020 15: 40 New
      +1
      I agree. I never understood why a slow turn is bad. The self-propelled guns did not have a turn at all. In addition, the tiger could quickly tighten the hull. Rather fictional memory.
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 20: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: ager1751
        Rather fictional memory.


        huh! This is a separate genre - a shkolota studies the materiel on the wargaming website, composes "memories", to convincingly put them into the lips of a fictional "veteran", sculpts a video on his knee, reading a nasal puberty voice with an off-screen text ....
        Ugh, in short. No value.
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 9 June 2020 08: 54 New
        +1
        Self-propelled guns go in the second echelon, while changing the direction of attack of a self-propelled battery of WWII times is impossible. About the do-it-yourself hull is not even funny. Less in comp. play games.
  • seagull
    seagull 5 June 2020 15: 03 New
    +4
    The first photo is not "Tiger".
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 5 June 2020 15: 21 New
      +1
      Right Panzer 4 ...
    2. Errr
      Errr 5 June 2020 17: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: seagull
      The first photo is not "Tiger".
      That's right. This photo captures Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.J.
  • 113262a
    113262a 5 June 2020 16: 22 New
    +7
    Grandfather said that somehow they captured the German Rimbat. (Or how they have it there!) It is on the repair of armored vehicles. Amazed by the huge number of special tools and even a mobile film studio, there is a movie camera, and a developing and a movie camera! The Germans filmed all the rational suggestions of their techies and, again, showed staff training films on car repairs, shared their experience! A few kungs with trailers are just different ways and pullers, each under its own number, clean and tidy. The find was reported UP, but by the time the commission arrived, some of the goodness had been stolen by our kulibins. By the way, in the case of damage, the same Fritz’s inner rollers were changed within 15 minutes using the same special tool. That is, the repair process was thought out even at the design stage of the nodes.
    1. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 8 June 2020 15: 11 New
      0
      "... By the way, in the case of damage, the same Fritz’s inner rollers were changed within 15 minutes using the same special tool
      ... "
      - That tank stood in the FIELD (mine, grenade, PTR)
      The crew got out "on the armor" - and AUUUUuuuuu, Remba-aat !!!!

      - smiled.
      8-))

      "... A few kungs with trailers are just different ways and pullers, each with its own number, clean and tidy.
      ... "
      - Nuuu - this is one of the "kungs"
      - aviation chopped off, stuck in a ditch, drowned at the crossing, was blown up by a mine, lagged behind due to a malfunction
      and where are those "puller numbers" and "special tools" to look for
      .....
      - How many Germans do not fight - but nothing changes in the govov of staff theoreticians.
      as Leo Tolstoy wrote there:
      Die erste Kolonne marschiert, die zweite Kolonne marschiert ... (di erste coponne marshiert, di zweite coponne marshiert)
      The first column is marching, the second column is marching ... From the novel "War and Peace" (1868) by L. I. Tolstoy (1828-1910). The words of the German general in the Russian service of Pful, who in the novel draws up the plan of the campaign of 1812 against Napoleon and read out his separate provisions to the Russian military leaders
      Tolstoy made his hero and his reasoning a symbol of the template Prussian military tactics, which are mostly “paper” in nature and completely ignore the creative nature of warfare. This phrase, in which the columns march in the “prescribed order”, is usually quoted in German (so as General Pful expressed in L.N. Tolstoy) as an ironic commentary on someone’s purely abstract, speculative plan that does not take into account reality and looks more like a list of good wishes than a serious program of action.

      - It’s purely written in paper, but they forgot about GVAS - how to walk on them.
      1. 113262a
        113262a 10 June 2020 12: 41 New
        +1
        Duc, after undermining a mine, even if the crew is alive, the lever of the rollers is bending, and again, REMBAAAAT! Because without autogen, to remove it in a clean field even on the same T-80 and 72 is IMPOSSIBLE! And the Germans simply dragged the wrecked cars to the rear and repaired CORRECTLY!
  • Dr. Frankenstucker
    Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 18: 24 New
    +2
    The case of the capture of a working tiger of the 507th Schw.Abt, which was stuck in a funnel, took place on 27.12.1943/28/39, the Belorussian Front, XNUMX GTB of the XNUMXth Army, near the village of Sinyavki. Obviously, based on this story, the comrade blinded his "memories." So to speak, "based on real events"
    But not just “four more,” but five more, except for him - the trophy crew consisted of six people.
    The name of the driver is well known - Guard foreman Kylevnik.
    The crew “mastered” the car in two days, painted over the crosses and wrote “tiger”.
    The first battle was on 06.01.1944/34/70, together with one T-XNUMX and one T-XNUMX, entered the village of Sinyavki, where they dug in cars and held the village for two days.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 9 June 2020 08: 56 New
      +2
      And write "YOURS !!!" he could not?
  • Yurij Alekseev
    Yurij Alekseev 5 June 2020 19: 34 New
    -10
    Actually it was not welcomed in the Red Army, and then the Soviet, the use of captured weapons and equipment in battles .. Like, so as not to praise the enemy’s weapons ..
    But there have been isolated cases ..
    I'm talking about equipment .. And weapons .. So it was necessary to fight something .. And many had to get it in battle ..
    It was .. Everything was .. And everything happened .. And seven with one screw with three rounds went on the attack .. Everything was ..
    But for some reason we don’t want to remember about these life lessons ..
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 22: 33 New
      19
      Quote: Yurij Alekseev
      But there have been isolated cases ..


      what, nafig, "single" ??
      Guard Captain Panin fought on the "stew" for two (!) years, from March 43rd until the end of the war!
      in the 18th Army 4 UV, the “Separate Army Battalion of Trophy Tanks” was formed with 15 Hungarian vehicles.
      Read about the battles in the Balaton area - you will be very surprised by the fact that 3 UVs plugged holes in the materiel with trophy “nashhorns” and “hummers” in order to deter the counterattack of the 6th SS TD!
      etc.

      no need to carry pathetic game, study the materiel.
    2. shoroh
      shoroh 6 June 2020 09: 18 New
      +6
      Do not carry nonsense about seven with one rifle, seen Mikhalkov apparently with his weary sun. In the USSR there was an abundance of means of warfare, industry ensured the continuous supply of weapons and ammunition to the front, and it was the superiority of Soviet industry over German that made the main contribution to the Victory! All these stories about one rifle for three works in the period of the 90s.
    3. waleri
      waleri 6 June 2020 09: 58 New
      0
      Hello! Everything was! I agree, this is life in all its diversity! So far, our Katyushas have not been fried, the Americans have shot at ours! father said, since then, I do not believe in the virtue of the Americans and the Anglo-Saxons! Good luck to all of us! So I think
      1. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 12: 38 New
        0
        Quote: waleri
        So far, our Katyushas have not been fried, the Americans have shot at ours!


        it is when?
        1. Hwostatij
          Hwostatij 6 June 2020 17: 29 New
          +1
          In parallel reality, obviously
          1. Dr. Frankenstucker
            Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 21: 58 New
            -4
            Quote: Hwostatij
            In parallel reality, obviously


            quieter, quieter, otherwise the comrade will publish "memoirs" on VO ..... laughing
        2. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 8 June 2020 15: 41 New
          0
          And this is when Zhukov’s troops came into contact with American troops
          (Montgomery, if not mistaken).
          - They drive the fascists - on the one hand, ours, and on the other hand, Americans.
          Everyone feels: they will meet soon. Possible misunderstandings must be prevented.
          - Representatives of the allied command gathered, identified signs for the designation of troops
          (this, by the way, then red flags tied to the towers of tanks
          - as an identification mark for the allies - well, like, not fascists ...)
          And our people began to notice that, sort of like the Nazis were no longer in front of us,
          The sounds of the shots are not quite the same, the shape is not the same color - but they shoot no worse than the Nazis.
          - Report to Zhukov - that, like, sort of - as if we were no longer fighting the Germans.
          - He asks: Negotiated identification signals are given? - Served!
          Are red flags above the tanks? - Exhibited!
          The trouble is that - on the other side - they DO NOT notice.
          .
          So, they don’t notice ?!
          - Well, WE WILL NOT ALSO BE MISSED.
          ORDER:
          - To fight as if it were fascists in front of you !.
          .
          - And in one day - the front went 20 kilometers to the west.
          .
          - And OH MIRACLE!
          The next day - "from the other side" and the flags above the tanks, and that's it
          identification signals - all-all Saw - well, like "suddenly seen" ...
          - ABOUT! Rus, Rus, comrade! Friendship chewing gum!

          As they say - nothing personal - just operational comparisons of the fighting efficiency of the troops
          - as part of an assessment of the feasibility of Churchill’s proposed operation: “The Unthinkable”

          Py Sy.
          I think I heard this story on the radio
          in the memoirs of some veteran - even before the start of perestroika.
          - But then the “patriots” cleaned everything well.
          - In any case, in modern "networks" SUCH memoirs
          I did not find.
          8- (
          1. Dr. Frankenstucker
            Dr. Frankenstucker 8 June 2020 16: 51 New
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            Yes, you can use a lot of "memories". There would be a finger.
            Quote: tikhonov66
            - as part of an assessment of the feasibility of Churchill’s proposed operation: “The Unthinkable”

            thanks, laughed.

            Fantazyorov with "memories" divorced ...
    4. Train
      Train 6 June 2020 12: 02 New
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      There were several repair plants for the repair of captured equipment. And about shooting and ammunition, yes. There was a huge front but the commanders are different everywhere. Somewhere they allowed it, they forbade it somewhere.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 9 June 2020 09: 03 New
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        For the sake of one tank, which may also become the cause of friendly fire, not everyone will bother. Again, sensible people need to be allocated, where to get them. Although such an interesting case is known when the brigade on the T-70 intercepted the T-34-85 from the Germans. And willingly took it to herself. Not to search now on the whole front for those mongrels that the Germans had fallen in love with.
    5. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 8 June 2020 15: 17 New
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      "... But for some reason we don’t want to remember about these life lessons.
      ... "
      - You are "FOR US" - DO NOT!
      You are more and more about YOURSELF, about YOURSELF all-how to write more ...
      And "WE" - We still REMEMBER something else !!!

      We passed - we walked half the world with you ...
      - If necessary, repeat!
      Soldiers on the road, on the road, on the road.
    6. EvilLion
      EvilLion 9 June 2020 08: 59 New
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      For example, the “panthers” were equipped with the best tankers and were used as anti-tank weapons, since they have even better breakdowns than the DOTboy 88/56.

      And already Pz-III and its derivatives which compiled the operating instructions and were printed at printing houses.

      And seven with one screw with three rounds went on the attack .. Everything was ..


      In Berlin, the 45th. This was often the case with the Volksturm. But you spit on grandfathers further. Where do you just come from ...
      1. Barmal
        Barmal 10 June 2020 00: 28 New
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        Sorry, the finger on the minus slipped instead of the plus. With me two
    7. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      Kuzmich Sibiryakov 10 August 2020 00: 49 New
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      Quote: Yurij Alekseev
      Actually it was not welcomed in the Red Army, and then the Soviet, the use of captured weapons and equipment in battles .. Like, so as not to praise the enemy’s weapons ..
      But there have been isolated cases ..
      I'm talking about equipment .. And weapons .. So it was necessary to fight something .. And many had to get it in battle ..
      It was .. Everything was .. And everything happened .. And seven with one screw with three rounds went on the attack .. Everything was ..
      But for some reason we don’t want to remember about these life lessons ..

      Another heresy. The warriors who had tasted the present knew perfectly well who and what was fighting against him. My father-in-law, a forty-five artilleryman, a foreman, a gun commander, carried MG-42 with him. And, he says, he saved the crew many times. They put them in front, there was no cover. They brushed it off with this machine. And the trophyers trying to take away, he drove away with the pistol that was supposed to him. And, he says, half the war I saw one dream - they put a sight on his little fluff, like the Germans. He saw many of them. And when they put it (it seems, I don’t remember exactly 5 times, but I’m too lazy to look for it on the internet), he said that, x ... now you’ll take me. He fought from Moscow to Mudanjiang, going to Königsberg on the way. Rest in peace.
  • Dr. Frankenstucker
    Dr. Frankenstucker 5 June 2020 22: 35 New
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    [quote = Dr. Frankenstucker] [quote = Yurij Alekseev] But there were isolated cases .. [/ quote]

    what, nafig, "single" ??
    Guard Captain Panin fought on the "stew" for two (!) years, from March 43rd until the end of the war!
    in the 18th Army 4 UV, the “Separate Army Battalion of Trophy Tanks” was formed with 15 Hungarian vehicles.
    Read about the battles in the Balaton area - you will be very surprised by the fact that 3 UVs plugged holes in the materiel with trophy “nashhorns” and “hummers” in order to deter the counterattack of the 6th SS TD!
    etc.

    no need to carry pathetic game about

    [quote] Type, so as not to praise the enemy’s weapons [/ quote]

    study the materiel.
    1. Kuzmich Sibiryakov
      Kuzmich Sibiryakov 10 August 2020 01: 00 New
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      Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
      no need to carry pathetic game about

      Like, so as not to praise the enemy's weapons

      Type of speech is not a warrior, but a commissar who sat through the whole war at meetings and in smoking rooms.
  • Edgar
    Edgar 6 June 2020 15: 22 New
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    Obviously, there are different tanks in the photo and in the story. In the photo, the Red Army on the "four" (PzKpfw IV), this can be determined by the type of road wheels. And the video tells about the tank “with a checkerboard arrangement of rinks”, which, exactly, were the “Tiger” PzKpfw VI.
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 6 June 2020 15: 31 New
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      Yes, this is a no brainer. Well, there is no original photo of a tiger with red stars, what to do)
      1. Edgar
        Edgar 6 June 2020 17: 02 New
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        Not all hedgehogs.))
  • Tests
    Tests 6 June 2020 19: 45 New
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    Yurij Alekseev (Yurij Alekseev), dear, actually the Germans fought much better than the Russians, their generals and officers - all with education and combat experience, soldiers - pros with combat experience, equipment never left on the battlefield, never surrendered , So?
    How did it happen that yesterday the collective farmer, my beloved grandmother, one of the younger brothers - Testov Ivan Georgievich received the medal "For Courage" during the assault on the "impregnable fortress" Koenigsberg as part of the 75th separate artillery battalion of special power, which was armed with 4 trophy guns 211- mm K-38? And there were four such divisions in the Red Army: 7; sixteen; 16; 75, total 105 trophy guns. In addition to the 16th, another 75 hit Nazis at the front, which means there were shells (105kg each). The cannons of 120 tons were transported into 25,3 carts, there were no wheels, towing is not very convenient, but ... Representatives of the Nordic race surrendered not only in Stalingrad and Belarus, but also defending their "impregnable fortresses". Here's the “Feat of the People” award sheet for my grandmother’s brother: http://podvignaroda.mil.ru/?#id=3&tab=navDetailDocument
  • gregoryivanov
    gregoryivanov 7 June 2020 04: 44 New
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    author! Kill the apsten! If I needed to watch the video, I would have found it on YouTube even without you.
  • totsamyitip
    totsamyitip 7 June 2020 08: 45 New
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    It looks like all fours) A tiger phobia is a terrible thing, but the tank is excellent in skillful hands, as Vitka Vitman showed))) And so I saw only one photo of the Tiger with Soviet machine guns;)

    https://ru-artillery.livejournal.com/382496.html
    1. technarj
      technarj 29 July 2020 16: 18 New
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      Excellent - if you stand in defense as a PT. And on the offensive, through the swamp? And the cruising range at one gas station? Etc., including reliability.

      Remind me how many Germans were in 41m - and ours in 44m? If there were the main tank Tiger - no matter how many km. were they able to drive?
  • Bystryag
    Bystryag 30 July 2020 02: 38 New
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    Complete freedom of imagination and no censorship, in the photo the tank T-4. Tigers were difficult to operate even for the Germans. When the tank was abandoned, the hydraulic gun guidance drive was disabled. Even if a serviceable tank with ammunition was received, it could be effectively used in defense by qualified people of whom there were not many. Therefore, they were quickly melted in Chelyabinsk into our tanks.
    And it was not safe to drive around the front edge with crosses on the armor.
  • misti1973
    misti1973 22 August 2020 19: 20 New
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    In the first photo pz.
  • Alexander Moiseev
    Alexander Moiseev 7 September 2020 13: 07 New
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    The bottom photo shows "Tiger-1". And on the top - "Panzer-4". Everything is clearly visible on the rollers.