Ukraine received the right to repair the Il-78 Air Force of Pakistan

Ukrainian and Pakistani media reported that the state-owned company Ukrspetsexport won a tender for the repair of a Pakistani Air Force Il-78 refueling aircraft. The total amount that Pakistan intends to pay to a Ukrainian company for the repair of an air tanker is about $ 30 million.

The amount is very large for repair work. That is why some Pakistani experts believe that the Ukrainian side was chosen to implement the tender because of the "significant corruption component."

According to the latest information, the repair will be carried out by specialists of NARZ - Nikolaev Aircraft Repair Plant, which is part of the state company Ukrspetsexport.

It is added that the Ukrainian company also intends to get the opportunity to repair two more Pakistani aviation refuellers. In Islamabad, they say that the possible signing of a contract for this repair will depend on how the first contract is fulfilled by the Ukrainian side.

The signing of the contract took place after the visit to Pakistan by the commander of the Ukrainian Air Force, General Sergey Drozdov. This visit was made by Mr. Drozdov in March of this year.

Today, Il-78 aircraft are part of the aviation of a number of countries. As of 2016, there were 4 such tankers in the Pakistani Air Force. In addition to the Russian Federation and Pakistan, the Il-78 is used in India, China, and Algeria. At one time, the United States of America decided to buy such aircraft from Ukraine.

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[aleksr2005]

Well, yes, the damned scoop does not allow the decommunists to die of hunger.

[vkl.47]

Pakistan risks a lot. Raguli there nuts.

[TermNachTer]

Will the engines be repaired? If yes. then where will they get the spare parts?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Raguli level - pig breeding. And not higher.

[Civil]

And from what such, but does Ukraine have the right to such repairs?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Civil

And from what such, but does Ukraine have the right to such repairs?

And where did this right go? Since Soviet times, NARZ has been repairing aircraft manufactured in the USSR.

[avg]

Quote: Piramidon

And where did this right go? Since Soviet times, NARZ has been repairing aircraft manufactured in the USSR.

That is how it is, but all intellectual property rights are held by KB Yul'yushin. I think that if sensible lawyers took up this case, then Pakistan would have problems with extending the airworthiness period.

[Looking for]

reason absolutely correctly. The enterprise-developer can cover the activities of any enterprise in its products.

[ancient]

Quote: avg

then Pakistan would have problems extending its shelf life.

For the military ... no matter ... they are not subject to the "citizens" rules.

[Professor]

Quote: avg

That is how it is, but all intellectual property rights are held by KB Yul'yushin.

What are the "rights"? Patents (if issued) are only valid for 25 years. So Ukrainians have the same rights as the Ilyushin people. This is ce la vie.

Quote: avg

I think that if sensible lawyers took up this case, then Pakistan would have problems with extending the airworthiness period.

Sensible lawyers will never make fun of themselves.

[APASUS]

Quote: professor

What are the "rights"? Patents (if issued) are only valid for 25 years. So Ukrainians have the same rights as the Ilyushin people. This is ce la vie.

Something is not heard that the Ukrainians are repairing the F-16, for example

[Professor]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: professor

What are the "rights"? Patents (if issued) are only valid for 25 years. So Ukrainians have the same rights as the Ilyushin people. This is ce la vie.

Something is not heard that the Ukrainians are repairing the F-16, for example

Because they don’t know how, CEP.

Quote: VO3A

But what about the Ruslans?

Same. RF repairs them.

[VO3A]

But what about the Ruslans?

[opus]

Quote: avg

That is how it is, but all intellectual property rights are held by KB Yul'yushin.

and who encroached on intellectual property?
1. These are "Ukrainian" IL-76

In the mid-to-late 2000s, Pakistan Air Force (PAF) purchased its four IL-78s. from surplus stocks in Ukraine. The first IL-78 was delivered to Paxistan in December 2009.
The second was delivered in 2010, and the third tanker in February 2011. Fourth - no data
Now they are

2. Snapshot of the Pakistani Air Force Il-78 tanker at the 360th aircraft repair plant in Ryazan -2017

Looks like the price or quality did not suit.
Although it was almost the first military-technical cooperation of the Russian Federation and Pakistan

[ancient]

Quote: Piramidon

And where did this right go? Since Soviet times, NARZ has been repairing aircraft manufactured in the USSR.

Write everything correctly, but do not take into account the aspect that the Union no longer exists ... and for a very long time, and during this time the Design Bureau has developed and "issued" a bunch of all kinds of bulletins (strength and operational), without which the aircraft already becomes on time ... " by plane " (only if under the "black flag", somewhere in Africa, or "warriors" who have no money, but ... want to).
Therefore, the military board is "driven" for repairs.
Well, everything is clear with the engines, they are .. "ridden", but with everything else ....

[Looking for]

when the D-30 engines were "ridny" for Ukraine ??????

[ancient]

Quote: Seeker

when the D-30 engines were "ridny" for Ukraine

Confused with D-18T ... getting old

[knn54]

The Pakistan Air Force purchased four Il-78 aircraft from Ukraine’s surplus stocks — there were 409 aircraft of this type in the 21th Aviation Regiment of refueling aircraft. The first plane arrived in Pakistan in December 2009. Equipped with UPAZ refueling kits, the aircraft were used to refuel the Mirage fighter squadrons upgraded with the Retrofit Strike Element (ROSE) program.
The program also provides for the modernization of aircraft.

[ancient]

Quote: knn54

The program also provides for the modernization of aircraft.

Modernization (that is, periodic maintenance) and REPAIR ... this ..two big differences, as they say in Odessa.
Where will RCC be obtained? "Kanibalit" Melitopol side?

[TermNachTer]

There is nothing to disassemble in Melitopol, there are five aircraft left, in a flying condition. In Zaporozhye, on "Mayak" there are about 20, but there are only gliders, no filling.

[iouris]

Quote: Civil

But is Ukraine entitled to such repairs?

The "successor state" of the USSR retained only the debt of the USSR, and the population pays for it.

[Looking for]

the "laws of operation" of aircraft do not depend on the form of the social system of the state.

[ancient]

Quote: Seeker

"laws of exploitation"

Yes, but they depend on belonging to .. "departments", which is why An-124s belonging to 235 VTAP fly everywhere on our "affairs", but Volgo-Dnepr .. has problems if .. "they do not solve "from KB" Antonova ".

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Bravo

Bravo Ukraine receiving the right to repair the Il-78 Pakistan Air Force

Did they give a bribe or something? Did the history of the Croatian Mig-21 teach nothing to anyone? Although what does Ukraine have to do with IL? Maybe we should repair aircraft An all over the world, since Ukraine can repair our IL, then why can’t we repair aircraft An ?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Ukraine can repair our IL, then why can’t we repair An aircraft?

You do not understand something else.

[bobba94]

In 2006, Ukraine signed a contract for the supply of 4 Il-78s (tankers) to the Pakistani Air Force. For the period from 2009 to 2011, all Il-78s were transferred to the Pakistani Air Force. In short, it was all "before our era". Then there was a well-established cooperation between the Nikolaev aircraft repair plant and the Ulyanovsk aircraft building (Aviastar), there were no problems with the delivery and replacement of components, then they jointly carried out certain types of aircraft repair. What now ?

[TermNachTer]

In Lutsk, they tried to repair the D - 30, but as far as possible without the supply of components from Russia, one can only guess.

[Rzzz]

According to "complex" schemes, you can buy spare parts for anything.
Our somehow buy parts for the D-18t.

[TermNachTer]

D - 18 repairs only Zaporozhye. Engines call in regularly through Germany.

[aviator6768]

They just took and bought the necessary ZiPs, and everything else (up to the engines themselves). Generally I do not see ANY problems with the repair of Ukraine .... What is fuss about?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Bravo

Bravo to Pakistan, which gave Ukraine the right to repair the IL-78 of its Air Force

Quote: Bravo

Bravo Il-78 Pakistan Air Force entitled to be repaired in Ukraine

Are you a parrot?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Are you a parrot?

No, he is a horse and a troll. Such is his job.

[loki565]

Bot broke

[tarakan]

He "bot" multiplied

[rotmistr60]

Bravo ... Bravo ... Bravo ...

Jammed or something. Moderators, help a disease that has stuck.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: rotmistr60

Jammed or something. Moderators, help a disease that has stuck.

His finger is stuck in the button, probably ...

[rotmistr60]

So the fat probably ate instead of rubbing a finger.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: rotmistr60

So the fat probably ate instead of rubbing a finger.

Who HAD EATED?

[tarakan]

Chips on Claudia scattered

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Bravo

Bravo to moderators helping painful ones who are stuck

Self-critical, you think to yourself.

[Odessa Greek]

They can’t do new ones, well, let them at least try to fix it)

[Sky strike fighter]

That's exactly what they will try.

the repair will be carried out by specialists of NARZ - Nikolaev Aircraft Repair Plant, which is part of the state-owned company Ukrspetsexport.

To be honest, this is the first time I've heard of such people. Horns and Hooves will try to fix the IL-78. Good luck.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

To be honest, this is the first time I've heard of such people. Horns and Hooves will try to fix the IL-78. Good luck.

On account of "Horns and Hooves" you are wrong. Nikolaev ARZ has been repairing heavy aircraft for 50 years. We drove our Tu-95RTs and Tu-114 there back in the 70s - 80s for repairs.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Don't be overwhelmed, colleague. He's from the funeral team. The one who is ready to "bury" everything and everyone, including common sense.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Don't be overwhelmed, colleague. He's from the funeral team. The one who is ready to "bury" everything and everyone, including common sense.

Do you want to say that everything is fine in Ukraine? From the "funeral" team, this is usually from the current Ukrainian government.

The Ukrainian shipyard "Ocean" (Nikolaev) is literally dismantled for metal. Verkhovna Rada deputy Anna Skorokhod drew attention to the critical situation with reference to a letter from some concerned persons.
The $ 15 million blacksmith shop was completely cut in two days, they said. The roof and the pipeline are currently being "removed".

Another week - and there will not have to do anything at all, except to unroot the cable from the ground! Moreover, the fence plates will remain with the rails! And then - I doubt it - Skorokhod is quoting a letter in his Telegram channel.

https://m.tsargrad.tv/news/ostanutsja-zabor-i-relsy-krupnejshij-ukrainskij-sudostroitelnyj-zavod-razbirajut-na-metall_257209

One of the dismissed employees of the plant Lena Detochka posted on Facebook a management order dated May 12, 2020 with the following text:

“I am an employee of UMTO GP NPKG“ ZORIA ”-“ MASHPROEKT ”with a salary of 7500 UAH [19990 rubles, approx. Author]. I, according to this order, fall under the reduction. Newly arrived new executives with a salary of 100 hryvnias [000 rubles, author's note] and more made mass layoffs, instead of looking for new opportunities to increase sales and create new jobs, ”she wrote.

For the first time, massive reductions at Zorya-Mashproekt (part of the Ukroboronprom concern) were reported in October 2019. Then the new leaders set a goal to reduce the number of enterprises by 5 thousand people, primarily pensioners and support workers.

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/stapel/na-ukrainskom-turbinnom-gigante-nachalis-sokrasceniia-5ecbea4e6fe9405a2b3a16d6

The Ukrainian enterprise of the rocket and space industry "Yuzhmash" is in a deep crisis due to the lack of government orders, said the company’s director general Sergey Voight.

“The main problem is the lack of government procurement. Yuzhmash never participated in the implementation of state programs in the field of industrial policy. We can work everywhere, even in the nuclear industry, but we did not get there. We are not executors of the state defense order. From 2014 to the present day, unfortunately, we have not received a single defense order, ”he said in an interview with Strana.
Voight emphasized that after Brazil refused Cyclone-4 programs, Yuzhmash did not have a single “really functioning national space program”.
He noted that there is no state support for involving Yuzhmash in international cooperation in the production of rocket and space technology - there are "ours" abroad, Ukraine is simply not allowed there.

https://m.vz.ru/news/2020/6/1/1042549.html

[The leader of the Redskins]

I want to say that everything is not as bad as they sometimes try to present to us.

[Sky strike fighter]

Seriously? List some of the good, since everything is not so bad. How do you feel about the examples I gave above? What is your attitude to what is happening there?

[The leader of the Redskins]

From the last thing that came to mind, in aviation - 5 (!) Were laid on Antonov’s GP, including for Peru, An 178 aircraft.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

From the last thing that came to mind, in aviation - 5 (!) Were laid on Antonov’s GP, including for Peru, An 178 aircraft.

Five serial An-178? And what is not necessary to test at least the first prototype? Immediately a series without tests?

SE “Antonov” has fully completed the design work on the replacement of components of Russian production by Ukrainian and Western analogues, the necessary design documentation has been prepared. Partially purchased new equipment for installation on the An-178. Work is underway on the conversion of a prototype of this aircraft.

Content Source: https://naukatehnika.com/an-178-pereoborudovanie-opytnogo-obrazca.html

[The leader of the Redskins]

178 has long been certified and adopted! What year were you late?

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

178 has long been certified and adopted! What year were you late?

It was certified with a considerable percentage of Russian components. After replacing them with Ukrainian and Western counterparts, the An-178 will have to be re-certified as well as tested. This is a standard procedure. Since when replacing so many components, this is actually a different aircraft and it needs to be re-tested.

and adopted!

Adopted the only experienced An-178? Usually only serial models are adopted. You have mixed something up.

[TermNachTer]

The Motor Sich pilots "talked with the Antonov testers. Reviews for An - 178 are extremely negative. Due to the 3 - m. Insert behind the center section, it has a very strong rear alignment. Takeoff and landing, even when empty, require exceptional attention and very good aerobatic skills With a full load - a very dangerous attraction.

[TermNachTer]

Yeah, it's actually much worse. To the above, I can add that NPO Iskra is also on the verge of stopping.

[Looking for]

For the sake of fairness, they have considerable experience. But given the anti-Russian policy of Kiev and the Russian "roots" of the product. It is possible to arrange a "cheerful life" for NARZ

[venik]

Quote: Odessa Greek

They can’t do new ones, well, let them at least try to fix it)

========
Yeah! For Croats MiG-21 already "fixed".......
Now ush-sh-shai pakam is being "repaired" ......

[aszzz888]

Ukrainian and Pakistani media reported that the state-owned company Ukrspetsexport won a tender for the repair of a Pakistani Air Force Il-78 refueling aircraft.

That's all, Khan of the 78th Pakistan. He will no longer fly.

[donavi49]

The future tanker plane for Pakistan has already risen into the sky. Therefore, it is not critical. And there, another service and Pakistan in cooperation will collect such (and freight).

In general, China has now decided to actively promote the Y-20 in different versions (even those that are not yet in the iron, for example, heavy AWACS).

"The Y-20 cargo plane has options such as Y-20 air tanker and AWACS aircraft. I believe people will see our Y-20 tanker in the not too distant future"People's Liberation Army's (PLA) Western Theater Command's commander, Teng Hui, told CCTV on Monday.

Formerly chief designer of the Y-20 aircraft Tan changghong repeatedly hinted at the development of such aircraft options.

“The Y-20 is an excellent base platform for developing different versions due to its large size and flight duration. Other options are possible, including electronic warfare aircraft.".

[Stas157]

Quote: donavi49

Y-20 is Y-20 excellent base platform for developing different versions due to its large size and flight duration.

Larger sizes also mean increased mass. And the mass of the Y-20 glider is not heavy for the D-30KP-2 engines on which it flies?

For comparison: Y-20 is empty weight: ~ 100 kg, against an empty weight of IL-000 of 76 tons.

[Mountain shooter]

Kickbacks, tackles ... The normal way of doing business is VNA. The repair result is not predictable ... because the money received = work done ...

[ZaDedov]

Everyone knows Ukraine = corruption

[Normal ok]

Quote: ZaDedov

Everyone knows Ukraine = corruption

And the Russian authorities are innocence itself

[Prisoner]

Let's hope that in Ukraine there are still standing aviation experts for the happiness of Pakistani pilots and their relatives.

[Vasyan1971]

The amount is very large for repair work ...
is about $ 30 million.

Good thing. Good luck.
https://youtu.be/NHL5olh1ovI

[svp67]

There are already many questions ...
- why is our KLA silent? Ukrainians so yell at the whole of Ivanovo when we repair and modernize Ana
- How will India react to this, and will it continue cooperation with Ukraine?

[Rubi0]

so where are the declarations of CB Il that they do not recognize the repair as Antonovtsy did?

[Lord of the Sith]

Nikolaev aircraft repair plant - "NARP"
"NARZ" - Novosibirsk Aircraft Repair Plant.

In general, the Ukrainian plant is still breathing, repairing aircraft. What they do there for Pakistani aircraft, however, is not clear))

[huntsman650]

Deceive, to say the least. Sorry for the airplane)))

[ZaharoFF]

This is a Soviet plane! Decommunize him! They still live at the expense of a more developed state, which is no longer there and spit on it, they wipe their feet.
Pakistanis are, of course, risky people. Trusting "these" aircraft repairs is provoking a potential plane crash.

[tarabar]

The Pakistanis apparently do not read newspapers and do not watch TVs, apparently they have not heard about the planes of their neighbors lost in Ukraine. They also went into repair and did not return.

[Normal ok]

Quote from tarabar

The Pakistanis apparently do not read newspapers and do not watch TVs, apparently they have not heard about the planes of their neighbors lost in Ukraine. They also went into repair and did not return.

They definitely don’t watch the Russian media For ... They are guided by adequate data from other sources.
PS. You have the 1st brain channel along the way.

[tarakan]

Without politics, in (in) Ukraine, in addition to ushlepoks, normal proletarians live, for them a contract means work and salary.

[Normal ok]

Quote: tarakan

Without politics, in (in) Ukraine, in addition to ushlepoks, normal proletarians live, for them a contract means work and salary.

I know that the trend towards correcting grammatical errors in VO has passed. Well, this is already too much ... "Proletarii".

[tarakan]

I am not Russian, I was born and live in the Baltic

[tarakan]

Does meaning matter to you, or grammar?

[mlad]

Ukraine is not under Western sanctions and can, for example, establish a new Western avionics, maybe Pakistani pecked at this?

[protos187]

Well, I don’t know if it will take off after the repair, but at least the Pakistani side could get the chassis off the plane.

[Holgerton]

If you carefully read the news on the signed contract, then $ 30 million is not the cost of repairing ONE IL-78, but THREE, and the end of the contract is the repair of one IL-78 with an option for two more.
And now there’s a turn, there is no corruption and the news about Ukraine loses its meaning.

[akarfoxhound]

At one time, these "handy" decommunizers, having won the tender, repaired 12 former Yemeni MiG-21s to the Croats at the Odessa ARZ, so that as many as 2 aircraft were able to take off from the customer, the rest was beautifully painted scrap. The boards were delivered to the Croats "by land", they did not get there on their own. The final is enchanting !!!

[silverwolf88]

we’ll see where they will get components for replacement ... but with a large number of them ... the resource will not last forever ... and of course there will remain questions about the quality of the service rendered ... we’ll see how the equipment will fly after the Nikolaev craftsmen ... I don’t think that they have a lot of experience in a similar technique ...

[Ros 56]

When failures go, or worse, it crashes, let the Pakistanis not be surprised.

[Karaul73]

Quote: ancient

Quote: Piramidon

And where did this right go? Since Soviet times, NARZ has been repairing aircraft manufactured in the USSR.

Write everything correctly, but do not take into account the aspect that the Union no longer exists ... and for a very long time, and during this time the Design Bureau has developed and "issued" a bunch of all kinds of bulletins (strength and operational), without which the aircraft already becomes on time ... " by plane " (only if under the "black flag", somewhere in Africa, or "warriors" who have no money, but ... want to).
Therefore, the military board is "driven" for repairs.
Well, everything is clear with the engines, they are .. "ridden", but with everything else ....

The board is military. So they want to do that. Russia is doing the same with its military An 124.

[gurzuf]

Before, Pakistan should consult with the Croats who were not careful to repair their MiGs with Nenko.

[av58]

Yes, let them repair and upgrade. Packs after this will lose the support of the developer and manufacturer.

[Reserve buildbat]

And on what basis will the "chernozem crested" Russian planes be repaired? How did the gentlemen allow themselves? So maybe Russia, as the copyright holder, should prohibit the use of aircraft that are not repaired in Russia? And at the same time to file a claim for counterfeit, and after repair at the first controversial moment (accident, failure of departure, etc.) to demand from the skakuas billions in compensation for copyright infringement and damage to reputation.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Well, if they "repair" them like tanks, then yes

[Arthur 85]

One was lost, the other was broken ...

[Cristall]

According to news for 2019 - nikolayevets repaired and modernized the next IL APU

State Enterprise "Nikolaev Aviation Repair Plant" NARP "will hand over to the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine the second in 2019 updated heavy military transport aircraft Il-76MD.
About this, as reported by TsTS, writes the League, referring to ArmyInform.
In the course of modernization, additional equipment for flights on international routes was installed on the aircraft, as well as a new digital flight control system (on-board device for recording flight parameters), due to which the quality of flight information analysis will be improved.
Also, the plant replaced the electrical wiring of IL-76MD, air-oxygen pipelines and rubber parts.

The sides are flying. Perhaps such an update (budget) will be this time.
The enterprise is 80 years old, was founded on September 29, 1939 on the basis of aircraft repair shops at the Glavsevmorput pilot school
the plant mastered:
repair of Su-24 aircraft of all modifications
current repair with extension of the resource of An-12, Il-76MD, Il-76TD, Il-78 aircraft
Avionics repair of An-12, An-24, An-26, Su-24, Il-76, Tu-22M3, Tu-142MK aircraft
repair with extension of the resource of aircraft engines D-30KP, D-30KP-2 [1]
overhaul of auxiliary power units TA-6A, TA-6B, AI-8, aircraft engines M-14B26 and M-14P
During 2009, the plant performed repairs with the extension of the resource of two Il-76 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force
During 2010, the plant performed repairs with the extension of the resource of two Il-76 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force
Regularly repairs Ilya. So the former Ukrainian / now Pakistani Ilya will not be the first time to visit Nikolaev.