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The network discusses the Japanese publication of the "need to return" the South Kuril Islands

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The network is actively discussing an article by a Japanese journalist on the Wedge Infinity resource dedicated to the Kuril Islands. The journalist, who is also a political scientist, Yukio Kashiyama criticized the "excessively soft" position of the official authorities of Japan regarding the South Kuril Islands, called the "northern territories" in Japan.


According to Kashiyama, official Tokyo, in a version of the so-called Blue Book (diplomatic strategy of the state) published last month, did not indicate which islands of the Kuril ridge “extend Japanese sovereignty”.

Recall that in the Blue Book, the Japanese Foreign Ministry again returned to the wording of "Japanese sovereignty over the northern territories."

According to Kashiyama, "it is necessary to demand" the return of not two, but four islands - Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai.

Kashiyama said that he considers the talk of "the possible return of the two islands" to be "erroneous."

Japanese political scientist:

If you show weakness on this issue, then other countries to which Japan also has territorial issues will think that Japan is ready to abandon its lands.

The case in point is South Korea and China.

Meanwhile, the publication caused a mixed reaction in Japan itself. Readers of the media noted that if publications of this nature appear in the press on behalf of major political scientists, this will lead to damage in Japanese-Russian relations.

Recall that they intend to amend the Constitution of the Russian Federation to ban the alienation of territories (water areas). In this regard, the question arises, why under the current legislation it is “impossible” to consider the question of the prohibition of this kind of alienation? ..
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  1. Finches
    Finches 5 June 2020 06: 18 New
    25
    After reading, I somehow remembered myself:

    "Thick dew has fallen on the grass,
    Fogs fell wide.
    That night, the samurai decided
    Cross the border by the river.

    Tanks rushed, raising the wind,
    There was a formidable armor.
    And samurai flew to the ground,
    Under the pressure of steel and fire. "
    laughing
    1. The black
      The black 5 June 2020 06: 36 New
      34
      Samurai zadolbali child enthusiast something for something with us to change, exchange !!!!
      I propose to exchange FIVE Kuril Islands for the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Okinawa, Kyushu and Shikoku !!!!! We won’t even take money for this exchange winked..
      ...... or another proposal, Russia transfers Japan to Irina Hakamada, with the goal of strengthening Japanese democracy, human rights and universal values. In return, Japan recognizes Crimea as Russian territory and lifts sanctions. As a bonus, you can send the Japanese a good telescope - the Japanese prime minister will look at the Kuril Islands when he wants. laughing You can still send a jar of good Vaseline ....... laughingJapanese, choose! bully
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 5 June 2020 07: 37 New
        +6
        The bloating of nationalism is a trend of the 2000s. Wherever you look, everyone separates themselves and consider themselves a privileged nation in relation to others. And governments or informal leaders take advantage of this.
        And if you add another feeling of resentment for something, in general expanse for slogans and calls
        1. vlad106
          vlad106 5 June 2020 09: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: Mitroha
          The bloating of nationalism is a trend of the 2000s. Wherever you look, everyone separates themselves and consider themselves a privileged nation in relation to others. And governments or informal leaders take advantage of this.
          And if you add another feeling of resentment for something, in general expanse for slogans and calls


          they carry water on the offended.
          to hell with their collar, or better all over the face, not the island ..
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 5 June 2020 12: 43 New
            +1
            Why are you so tough? wink
            Useful mood among the Japanese.
            Let the Americans first drive home.
            And then they come in. Talk about friendship. bully
      2. Borz
        Borz 5 June 2020 07: 41 New
        16
        With Hakamada, the option is preferable. It is necessary, it is very necessary to strengthen Japanese democracy and universal values. To confirm our good intentions, send on a long trip the whole friendly creative team of Echo of Moscow.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 June 2020 07: 44 New
        +9
        Quote: Black
        or another proposal, Russia transfers Japan to Irina Hakamada, with the goal of strengthening Japanese democracy, human rights and universal values.

        This is the most reasonable solution.
      4. HUNTERDON
        HUNTERDON 5 June 2020 09: 17 New
        +4
        said well from the heart!
      5. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 5 June 2020 11: 03 New
        +2
        Give our cross-eyed Mary-Antoinette ... Yes, not a shit! Who will advise miners to pick mushrooms and sell on the market if the mine is closed?
      6. Raven 95
        Raven 95 5 June 2020 19: 32 New
        +7
        A telescope with them is enough. Everything else will be too bold.
      7. radiootdel4
        radiootdel4 5 June 2020 20: 08 New
        0
        I suggest exchanging FIVE Kuril Islands for the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Okinawa, Kyushu and Shikoku
        - I suggest not taking Shikoku
    2. iouris
      iouris 5 June 2020 13: 34 New
      -2
      Water wears away the stone. It looks like they decided to part with the "islands". And with the rest of the "problem" territories too. In any case, such an action cannot be called unpredictable.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 June 2020 06: 18 New
    +8

    According to Kashiyama, "it is necessary to demand" the return of not two, but four islands - Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai.
    And how would you convey to Mr. Kasiyama that the Ipen wraparound machine is being sold around the corner? laughing angry
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 5 June 2020 06: 24 New
      21
      the "need to demand" the return of not two, but four islands
      what a demanding one!
      Russian Foreign Ministry: I demand the return of Fr. Hokkaido, as the territory of the Ainu, who were subjects of the Republic of Ingushetia!
      1. novel66
        novel66 5 June 2020 07: 24 New
        +3
        Do you want to have a cottage there? lol
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 5 June 2020 08: 07 New
          +6
          Quote: novel xnumx
          cottage

          What's the point? Dangle there through Laperouse, and the climate there is the same as ours in southern Sakhalin .... Roma hi
          1. novel66
            novel66 5 June 2020 08: 35 New
            +5
            ours to you! hi and show off ?? and the boat is traveling?
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 5 June 2020 09: 47 New
              +4
              In 1975, we, on the St. John’s Wort schooner, on May 1, let down fangsbots and started hunting in the Laperouse Strait - it was filled with ice! What a summer residence, it’s already necessary to plant a radish - but don’t break through the strait, even with Ponte .... I planted sakura at my garage, than Hokkaido!
              1. novel66
                novel66 5 June 2020 09: 49 New
                +3
                the device is in the garage ???
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 5 June 2020 09: 50 New
                  +3
                  Garage - recreation area ... The device is in iron, near the house.
          2. Grits
            Grits 5 June 2020 15: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            and the climate there is the same as ours in southern Sakhalin ...

            But there are monkeys. Yes, and it sounds nice - Sapporo is the administrative center of the Hokkaido region as part of the Far Eastern Federal District of the Russian Federation
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 6 June 2020 01: 19 New
              0
              Quote: Gritsa
              sounds nice

              For our ears - nice!
      2. bayard
        bayard 5 June 2020 07: 46 New
        14
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Russian Foreign Ministry: I demand the return of Fr. Hokkaido, as the territory of the Ainu, who were subjects of the Republic of Ingushetia!

        Hokkaido Island brought under the Russian Flag the Russian Cossack Shabalin.
        I was familiar with his descendants in childhood, were friends ...
        Need to demand.
        Must be returned.
        And they did not pay indemnities following the war.
        ... although their prisoners of war did work for us.
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 5 June 2020 07: 43 New
      +9
      Quote: aszzz888
      And how would you convey to Mr. Kasiyama that the Ipen wraparound machine is being sold around the corner?

      I have no doubt that Mr. Kasiyama is well aware of the wholesale and retail outlets of GZM (lip rolling machines). And I think his lips are okay. It's just that there are elections in Japan sometimes. And they need to go with gallant victorious slogans. Otherwise, the voter will decide that the samurai is not real !!! These "Northern Territories" are for the Yap people the same pie in the sky, as European integration is for the Kh-fishing. Many generations of politicians feed on this topic and will continue to feed, even if we amend our constitution on the topic of non-alienation of territories.
  3. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 06: 19 New
    14
    In the mid-90s, they almost bought it. They offered each resident 50 thousand bucks and a ticket to the mainland. Or Japanese citizenship. I don’t know why it didn’t grow together.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 06: 26 New
      +6
      And what miracle put me minus? Sclerosis, or just forget to prefer?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 5 June 2020 06: 38 New
        +9
        Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) Today, 06: 26
        +1
        And what miracle put me minus? Sclerosis, or just forget to prefer?
        Hikers climbed out of the Ipen jungle. laughing Or maybe not from Ipensky .... wink
        1. bayard
          bayard 5 June 2020 07: 54 New
          +5
          Quote: aszzz888
          Hikers climbed out of the Ipen jungle. Or maybe not from Ipensky ....

          Hakamada? belay
          A friend told me that in those days (early 90s) when the Yapas wanted to take away the islands, spilling the local residents, Cossacks appeared there ... very annoying locals, they were called "mummers", but the islands were not given back.
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 5 June 2020 06: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        set me a minus?

        White Guard and Russophobe!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 06: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          White Guard and Russophobe!

          Ah, the Japanese city ... laughing Little Nikolashka saber on the head vladupali ... fellow
          1. novel66
            novel66 5 June 2020 07: 25 New
            +6
            absolutely unprofessional hit !! wimps .. bushido there ... WEAKNESS!
          2. bayard
            bayard 5 June 2020 08: 12 New
            +3
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Little Nikolashka saber on the head vladupali ...

            Few !
            It did not reach the near that the Japanese were worse than the Poles, and they would calm down only as part of the Japanese Federal District / Governor General of the Russian Empire.
            And get ready as it should for the war with them, just take it seriously, if the Yapi would be like Tungus or Buryats for us smile .
            And no Japanese militarism would have happened if we had broken their horns in 1904. They would drink sake and meditate while looking at Fujiyama reciting Pushkin ... and they came to us in the Donbass as volunteers yes .
            ... And in the carbon fiber for the MS-21 would not refuse ... lol
            Because Russia is the mother.

            But the samurai with Nikolai ... wasn’t working ... No.
            It's a pity .
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 5 June 2020 07: 34 New
        -1
        And what miracle put me minus?
        Eponets!
        But seriously. People are already seriously sharing "ours, yours"
      4. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 June 2020 07: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Sclerosis, or just forget to prefer?

        Most likely they want to forget, and maybe Japanese adherents.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 08: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Most likely they want to forget

          I think so too. But in all seriousness it was discussed. 50 thousand bucks per person, despite the fact that three rubles in Moscow cost less than 10 thousand. In my opinion, they didn’t give anyone the paws on the paw, so they were rolled.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 5 June 2020 09: 19 New
            +3
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            But in all seriousness it was discussed. 50 thousand bucks per person,

            It was like that, but it failed. The greedy ones turned out to be "japiks".
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 5 June 2020 09: 11 New
      -1
      It didn’t grow together because it was a fake of which was then a common shaft. find at least one official confirmation of this to begin with) although you can not waste time, you will not find)
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 09: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: carstorm 11
        not fused because it's fake

        It was not a fake. In the mid-90s, they were seriously discussing. I remember, I was wondering, a family of 4 people gets 200 thousand bucks, at that time a lot of money, teachers paid 30 bucks a salary.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 5 June 2020 09: 32 New
          0
          I heard this bike many times) it’s like an anecdote telling us to believe it, try it) nobody offered anything to anyone. just someone rumored on this subject and he suddenly flew over the heads. such a press would discuss with wild epithets. and imagine, did not write anything))) who discussed? with whom? when? Where? try to find at least one answer to these questions)
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 09: 35 New
            +2
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I heard this bike many times) it’s like an anecdote telling us to believe it, try it) nobody offered anything to anyone. just someone rumored on this subject and he suddenly flew over the heads. such a press would discuss with wild epithets.

            And the press discussed it. "Komsomolskaya Pravda", for example. Only now they took it, and burned the archive in XNUMXs.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 5 June 2020 09: 40 New
              0
              Well, believe it and okay) I’m not bothering you) to convince a person that white is white, you will agree so-so occupation. We will remain with our own.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 09: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: carstorm 11
        at least one official confirmation of this to begin with)

        As well as you will not find the Kroll agency report. There is none, said FSB Director Putin.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 5 June 2020 09: 34 New
          0
          I have no idea what you're talking about.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 09: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I have no idea what you're talking about.

            Yeah, yeah. And I personally do not care about the concepts. I didn’t wipe anyone’s ass, and I’m not going to.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 5 June 2020 09: 39 New
              0
              and I asked you about this?))) I just said that I do not know what you're talking about)
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 09: 46 New
                +3
                Quote: carstorm 11
                I don’t know what you are talking about)

                Okay. I will enlighten. That way, in 92, Yegorushka Gaidar paid the American detective agency Kroll a couple of million dollars in search of "party gold". They found. Only when Gaidar read it, he hid this report to hell. At the end of the 90s, the deputies asked a question about this report to the director of the FSB Putin.
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                There is none, said FSB Director Putin.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 5 June 2020 09: 52 New
                  0
                  clear. I'll know. thank.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 June 2020 06: 24 New
    +8
    Journalist, a political scientist, Yukio Kashiyama
    The Japanese "patriot" once again gave Russia the opportunity to show the Japanese a big fig. Japan will receive the same cookie from China. And someone else shouts about the Russian imperial manners? Here is clearly the constantly animated imperial manners on the territory of the country of the ally of Nazi Germany, which also lost in 2 MV.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 5 June 2020 06: 37 New
      18
      Let them think ....
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 5 June 2020 06: 39 New
        +7
        Funny but true. good
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 June 2020 07: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Let them think ...

        Well, with spin, we always did well.
    2. Angelo Provolone
      Angelo Provolone 5 June 2020 07: 02 New
      +8
      China may allow the display of cookies. But we are getting ridiculous with our policies. We treat the Far East region as a colony. Look at what measures Moscow has done. Look at the scope of crime in the Far East. It seems that these territories of Russia are simply not needed.
      Giant outflow of the population. not developed infrastructure. theft of power is already open. How long is the Vladivostok east port highway being built? The governor requested another 30 billion. Putin is thinking ...
      And what are "boobs". No. did not guess. This is not "what you thought".
      This is an innovation center that has not been completed yet. All Vladivostok is in such "unfinished buildings".
      Nearby is the Ostrov housing complex, where they promised to rebuild the teachers almost free of charge. As a result, they were robbed. The construction is worth it.
      In the center of Vladivostok there are "unfinished buildings" with defrauded equity holders.
      Hotels were built for the 2012 summit. Invested 19 lard of money. Sold under the hammer "unfinished" for a pittance. Nothing has been commissioned. So that later on from "Santa Claus", that is, from the state.
      no demography. People dump wherever they can.
      So what? Islands speak? Alaska...
      1. Kisa
        Kisa 5 June 2020 07: 29 New
        +7
        if you are from Vladivostok, what is your vision of the decision to return life to the Far East? everyone can hait - you’ll collect the advantages here
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 5 June 2020 07: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: kitty
          if you are from Vladivostok, what is your vision of the decision to return life to the Far East? everyone can hait - you’ll collect the advantages here

          Continue the work of I.V. Stalin on the development of the DCK, and put things in order.
          1. Kisa
            Kisa 5 June 2020 08: 20 New
            +4
            I actually threw it for the seed. Opinions here are slightly different from Primorye (as it is necessary to consider the future) and from Moscow region (more patriotic)
            Yes, publications here are frequent on this topic, but for me for another reason - 20 days left until the amendments support or lose .....
            more interesting with local people here to discuss them here are actively minus.

            and yes, pre-war Stalin with the 38th year with his development methods, in general, it’s not customary to recall here from Magadan to Nakhodka)))
            1. blackice
              blackice 5 June 2020 09: 10 New
              +2
              What is this?
              Everyone I know about Stalin is only well remembered.
              But the inhabitants of the beloved city of the sunniest patron himself bonfire on what the light stands. Special thanks are expressed for the salaries of local and Gaster. And for the fact that almost no local people are taken to the new plant.
        2. Angelo Provolone
          Angelo Provolone 5 June 2020 13: 47 New
          0
          if you are from Vladivostok, what is your vision of the decision to return life to the Far East? everyone can hait - you’ll collect the advantages here

          Yes, just get out of here. How to breathe life into Chernobyl, for example?
      2. bayard
        bayard 5 June 2020 08: 22 New
        +2
        Is that "boobs in the woods"?
        Why such an asymmetry?
        Understood, understood - the results of theft.
        1. Angelo Provolone
          Angelo Provolone 6 June 2020 01: 22 New
          -1
          Is that "boobs in the woods"?
          Why such an asymmetry?
          Understood, understood - the results of theft.

          According to the project? I think that we will not know
      3. blackice
        blackice 5 June 2020 09: 03 New
        +4
        At the expense of the road I will write this (I am a participant in this action): The increase in the construction price and the increase in terms of time is not associated with total robbery (although there are thugs, where can we go without them?) But with poor intelligence. As a result, instead of an embankment road, a low-water bridge is being erected, as it turns out "sir swamps". Accordingly, the estimate immediately took off. The project was slowed down until it was cleared, but they began to repair the old road, which was abandoned by the valiant builders of the Zvezda shipyard and the builders of the coal terminal on the territory of the former Pristan naval aviation regiment. By the way, they also knock down bridges. Well, these bridges are not designed for a load of 70 tons, but the "head" with a Tonar trailer weighs just 70 and more tons.
  5. Hypatius
    Hypatius 5 June 2020 06: 26 New
    -8
    Recall that they intend to amend the Constitution of the Russian Federation to ban the alienation of territories (water areas).
    In the framework of the 20th edition (the so-called amendment) of the unaccepted draft constitution of the Russian Federation, they will not alienate the territory, but will conduct demilitation and demarcation of borders. There is another strange bookmark about the lands of federal submission seized in the territories of the regions. Apparently, these are widespread TORs, where the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation will be limited forever. And goodbye, Alaska ..
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 5 June 2020 07: 01 New
      0
      Why did you remember about Alaska?
      1. Yura
        Yura 5 June 2020 07: 25 New
        +1
        He earned a salary, because he also thinks about the prize.
      2. bayard
        bayard 5 June 2020 08: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: Greenwood
        Why did you remember about Alaska?

        Have you forgotten about California and the Aleutian islands? ... repeat bully
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    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 5 June 2020 07: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Andobor
      The Japanese slave nature is already at the genetic level
      Have you seen at least one Japanese live? Communicated with him? Interested in his opinion regarding American bases?
      1. Yura
        Yura 5 June 2020 07: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Greenwood
        Interested in his opinion regarding American bases?
        Reply

        And here, perhaps, a reassessment of the samurai, when the Poles, Czechs and others suddenly saw and realized that they had an opinion, our military bases and contingents were withdrawn from all these countries, of course, first of all, the consent of the USSR and then Russia was needed so it was, to the detriment of itself but it was.
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    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 June 2020 07: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Andobor
      The Japanese slave nature is already at the genetic level

      Everything is accurate, but vice versa.
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 5 June 2020 06: 37 New
    0
    What do the descendants of the samurai want .... probably missed the "good lyulyam"?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 5 June 2020 07: 53 New
      +4
      And the Japenas are here insofar as: there is someone to start them, and even to show the aerobatics of the provocation - the flight of the United States Lancer over the Sea of ​​Okhotsk - in this way they showed us a hole with a width of 22 km of international waters, which deprives Russia of the opportunity to call the Sea of ​​Okhotsk our inland body of water.
      If in this strait to put at least some kind of lighthouse - out, the Chinese are pouring whole islands, washing them in - can we not?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 June 2020 08: 15 New
        +1
        Well, sir, the question is of course interesting. And how is it with the depths ... it is of course greda, but all the same, there is some depth there, because how to lather the nadot out of nowhere.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 5 June 2020 10: 24 New
          +1
          Yes, it is unlikely that anyone will answer this question ... especially since it may turn out to be a chipboard and not at all for poking our civilian noses in the state department of the highest degree of closeness.
          After all, who knows, maybe this strait is a secret channel for the secret exit of the nuclear submarines into the Pacific Ocean, and these depths are also not indicated in the locations, mabud.
          Or vice versa, maybe there’s a trap for enemy boats, otherwise send a scout to the Yankees, for the first time in more than 100 years :: it’s not without reason that this Lancer rode there, and didn’t go there with provocation ...
          And no one can forbid us to put a lighthouse in their waters, but the strait will be closed forever
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 5 June 2020 10: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: hydrox
            Yes, it is unlikely that anyone will answer this question ... especially since he may turn out to be chipboard

            It’s not a question ... we know the service, our mouths are shut, our nose where we don’t need.
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      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 June 2020 11: 10 New
        +1
        Everything can be ... but I’ll talk like I'm used to it.
        They were warriors \ there are helpers ... and the elite do not care for me in any way, while balabolyat in the distance.
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  8. Angelo Provolone
    Angelo Provolone 5 June 2020 06: 46 New
    -3
    why is it “impossible” to consider the issue of prohibiting this type of alienation under current law? ..

    current supremacy of international law
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 5 June 2020 14: 07 New
      -1
      And also because the current legislation at any time can be "corrected" by some kind of decree, without asking anyone's opinion on this matter. And with the constitution, such a trick will be much more difficult to do.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 June 2020 06: 47 New
    +6
    What's again? They have already explained ... the time has come to an end when this issue could, in principle, be discussed. And they do not need islands ... And the status of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk ... two islands do not give anything in this regard. But 4 ... the Sea of ​​Okhotsk ceases to be our INNER sea. And Japanese fishing schooners will quickly "master" the new fishing area ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 06: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      ... The Sea of ​​Okhotsk ceases to be our INNER sea. And Japanese fishing schooners will quickly "master" the new fishing area ...

      My dad was fishing in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk in the 70s. He told me how they fired from rocket launchers with the Japanese.
      1. Moxolov
        Moxolov 5 June 2020 08: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        My dad was fishing in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk in the 70s. He told me how they fired from rocket launchers with the Japanese.

        Now (since 2015) the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, this is completely our sea territory .. And you can no longer shoot rockets, but Vladimir with more serious weapons!
        Impudent bastards .. negative
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 08: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: Moxolov
          Impudent bastards ..

          Vital, they were always arrogant. Somehow I read a funny story. There was such a lousy Chinese emperor who robbed everyone with his lackeys. So the people got angry, gouged out all of them eyes, put them on the junks, and gave a good pendulum. And so the Japanese nation appeared. laughing
          1. Moxolov
            Moxolov 5 June 2020 09: 04 New
            0
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Moxolov
            Impudent bastards ..

            Vital, they were always arrogant. Somehow I read a funny story. There was such a lousy Chinese emperor who robbed everyone with his lackeys. So the people got angry, gouged out all of them eyes, put them on the junks, and gave a good pendulum. And so the Japanese nation appeared. laughing

            Judging by their behavior, the story is quite believable Vladimir ... hi
            For 70 years they have been repeating how the established "return the Kuriles" .. And those poachers still !!!
            They pollute the ocean with their Fukushima by pouring radioactive water into the ocean .. Where are the "green" ones ..?
        2. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 5 June 2020 12: 04 New
          +1
          I'll also tell you about the insolence of the Japanese. End of the 70s. Our floating plant "Marshal Meretskov" descends to the south to the abeam of Tokyo Bay to receive fish from the fishing fleet. Late spring. The sun from the cloudless sky is perceptibly warming and warming. Calm sea. There is no work on the crossing, all the free ones poured onto the deck and clung to the sides, admiring the sea, the weather and Japanese fishing schooners in considerable quantities to the horizon. Several of them are frolicking around: they either lag behind or overtake, spin under the stem, crossing the course (they are all high-speed). And suddenly all the women (the floating plant!) Fled in embarrassment from the side! What's the matter? And this one schooner lagged behind, stood in front of our side, a Japanese climbed onto the platform, crap and waving, smiling, with a handle (hello, they say)! The fact is that on Japanese schooners there are no toilets in the usual sense, they are replaced by an overboard platform with a gunwale with handrails. Provocateurs ... uki!
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 12: 17 New
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            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            And suddenly all the women (the plant!) Drifted off in embarrassment!

            I can’t believe it.
            Passing by the fishing port, the "bankers" saw a moored vessel - the Soviet Russia floating base, which had just returned from an oh ... long voyage. Just ooh! The population of this floating city was on 90% Evami. The remaining 10% were Adams who surrendered to the Serpent. Many Ev and Evushka stood on the utah of this mastodon and sang at passing to financiers: "Rather, the lion will refuse meat than the girl from the caress of the sailor."

            Valera flinched, the foreman went into resonance. Valera ran up the ladder, the guard rushed after him. For Valera? For a sealed briefcase? For resonance, forgetting about resonance! Such a compromiser ... Agreed. Better this way.

            Well, there, on the ship, did they have a Muslim paradise? Yes paradise! But without virgins.

            Both were immediately captured and dragged away. A day later, the foreman, as inexperienced, managed to break free and crawl to his own, but without a briefcase. With a gun ... with a crooked barrel.

            An expedition from the starpom was immediately equipped for Valera. The expedition worked for two days and found Valera, but did not receive the “bonus”. The briefcase was lost in a series of dozens of cabins, which changed the midshipman. He also drank, bastard. Therefore, he did not remember anything. He lay in the cabin, moaning and getting ready for Lynch's trial. The prosecutor's office seemed to him a kindergarten.

            But beauty saves the world. She saved Valera ... from the prosecutor’s office. Three graces stood on the pier and asked the watchman to call the commander of our ship. They drew so modestly the legs of the forty-third size on the asphalt, drawing an arc around the leather briefcase.

            - Citizen captain, we brought you money. Everybody there! And a thousand more girls gathered from above. You give us only Valerychik for a couple of days more ...

            Gave ... for ten days ... to the guardhouse. They cured there.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 5 June 2020 12: 43 New
              +1
              I told you a REAL case, and you answered me - the fables of a bad writer about sea stories. In general, no one wrote better about the marine work better and more precisely Viktor Viktorovich Konetsky. E. Knyazev came a little closer to him. The rest are writers and contributors.
              And in vain you consider ALL sailors and fishes insatiable whores, these are ordinary women. Although they come across among them ... But not more often than on the shore!
              Find and read the poem "The last time the lighthouse flashes and again your life will go ..." (an extremely brief summary of the life of a sailor, fisherman).
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 13: 23 New
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                Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                fables of a bad writer about sea stories.

                This writer is called third-rank captain Oleg Rykov.
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 5 June 2020 16: 19 New
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                  But what, unknown to me cap-3 is similar to God and cannot be a bad writer?
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 5 June 2020 16: 35 New
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                    He may be a good guy and a good joke, but I did NOT like the passage.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 17: 22 New
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                      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                      but I didn’t like the passage.

                      Read the whole story.
                      https://libcat.ru/knigi/proza/yumoristicheskaya-proza/90891-2-oleg-rykov-charli-charli-bravo.html#text
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    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 June 2020 08: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The Sea of ​​Okhotsk ceases to be our INNER sea. And Japanese fishing schooners will quickly "master" the new fishing area ...

      And warships.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 5 June 2020 10: 39 New
        +1
        These japenas are only for averting eyes and for the busyness of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs with all small dogs.
        This is for the Yankees, so that suddenly we do not raise the question of two million square meters. km of the fishing space of the Pacific Ocean somewhere in the Commander area, which the traitor Shevarnadze gave to the amers.
        But it seems that our parliament has not ratified this Treaty - I don’t remember, it was a long time ago ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 5 June 2020 10: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: hydrox
          But it seems that our parliament has not ratified this Treaty - I don’t remember, it was a long time ago
          The agreement was ratified by the US Congress on September 18, 1990, but has not yet been ratified by the Russian parliament and is applied on a temporary basis after an exchange of notes between the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the US Department of State
          In 1999, Alaska intervened in the dispute. US Secretary of State James Baker signed the Sea Borders agreement without Alaska’s participation in the negotiations and without state consent to the terms of the agreement.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 5 June 2020 10: 58 New
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            Great post!
            Day is done!
            Do not tell me where to read with details, so as not to rummage ...
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 5 June 2020 11: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: hydrox
              Do not tell me where to read with details, so as not to rummage ..

              Yes, the easiest way is on the same Wikipedia, in the article Status, and a lot on the internet
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Соглашение_между_СССР_и_США_о_линии_разграничения_морских_пространств
  10. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 5 June 2020 07: 18 New
    +4
    ... "it is necessary to demand" the return of not two, but four islands "...
    You can even demand the moon!
    And Skakuasy can continue to talk "give Crimea".
    Until a new traitor like Gorbachev or Yeltsin comes to power in Russia, you will not see these territories as your ears.
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 June 2020 12: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      .
      Until a new traitor like Gorbachev or Yeltsin comes to power in Russia, you will not see these territories as your ears.


      But this cannot be allowed, therefore I agree that it is necessary to fix this issue in the constitution to no one, we can only accept it.
  11. nobody111body
    nobody111body 5 June 2020 07: 19 New
    +3
    so in fact the Japanese have to work out the same "prosperous" capitalism that the Britons and Jews built for them back in the 60s-70s; the perseverance of Japanese women and their pathological industriousness of half-slaves are American capital and electronics for NATO; the same South Koreans, of course, now you have to pay for this by throwing yourself like jackals at Russia
  12. Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 5 June 2020 07: 42 New
    +5
    recourse
    Over the past month, there have been more than five publications on this subject ...

    It remains only to accept information with humor:
    Jokes:
    The most beloved part of the land among the Japanese is the Kuril Islands.

    The Russian Foreign Ministry said that the Japanese have a too narrow view of the South Kuril problem.

    Perhaps the Japanese Foreign Ministry chose a strategy as in a female aphorism:
    "From the point of view of feminine logic, a boring man is the one with whom it is easier to sleep than to find a reason to refuse."
  13. Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 June 2020 07: 46 New
    +1
    In my opinion, this question has been intensively obscured by the Japanese for 10 years and .... what's the point?
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 June 2020 12: 33 New
      +1
      And it seems to me since the end of WWII ...
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  15. Esaul
    Esaul 5 June 2020 08: 09 New
    +4
    I don’t understand why our government cannot firmly and clearly close this question so that no one will have any more questions, doubts or wet fantasies? I see several reasons: the authorities are afraid, hopes to use this issue later (they do not rule out the transfer of the islands), there was no permission from the Western curators of our officials who want to use this issue to fuel a confrontation between Russia and Japan.
  16. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 5 June 2020 08: 32 New
    0
    The Japanese criticized the appeal of a journalist to take away the South Kuril Islands from Russia ..
    https://lenta.ru/news/2020/06/05/japanese

    so, do they consider this Kashiyama even in the DZHP to be slightly adequate?
  17. nod739
    nod739 5 June 2020 08: 33 New
    +3
    Maybe it’s time for us to start massaging the topic of the return of Hokkaido in the media?
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 June 2020 08: 48 New
      +1
      Why exaggerate, you need to declare officially, let them spin.
  18. Moxolov
    Moxolov 5 June 2020 08: 38 New
    0
    Something that worries me about this tendency in the last month ... Then the United States yells "Russians get out of the BV", now the samurai immediately demand to take the Kuril Islands from Russia .. Well, I'm not talking about Crimea at all ..
    Want to distract the "public" from the protests in the US and France? Or to disrupt the Victory Parade and vote for a new Constitution (already ours and unwritten under the dictation of the State Department when EBN is drunk) .. Something is planned, the guys again feel ..
  19. Maks1995
    Maks1995 5 June 2020 08: 39 New
    0
    If the Japanese have nothing to do, you can discuss something on the net ...

    Fortunately, the network is large, you can find everything you want
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 June 2020 08: 47 New
      +4
      It’s better to worry about how to remove the United States from its territory.
      1. Moxolov
        Moxolov 5 June 2020 12: 37 New
        -1
        Quote: cniza
        It’s better to worry about how to remove the United States from its territory.

        It’s more complicated Victor! The United States sucked there, only it would have to be cut with a scalpel .. And at the expense of the Kuril Islands, they scribble their Japanese so as not to run into claims themselves ..
        1. cniza
          cniza 5 June 2020 12: 42 New
          +1
          Including, and the Japanese are not interested in land, they are interested in marine resources, which are very rich there.
  20. cniza
    cniza 5 June 2020 08: 46 New
    +3
    According to Kashiyama, "it is necessary to demand" the return of not two, but four islands - Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai.


    That's when the Soviet Union suggested you had to agree, and now everything ...
  21. jovanni
    jovanni 5 June 2020 09: 06 New
    0
    Here are the strange people of the Japanese! Here is the weird journalist Yukio Kashiyama! Well, yes, the Japanese had atomic bombing, and Fokushima ... But! Immunity is not produced from this. More truly, it will not be in time. What kind of immunity does radioactive ash have?
  22. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 June 2020 09: 58 New
    0
    I don’t know why ours even communicate on this subject? They want to conduct business, let them conduct it. Make a visa-free visa. And work. You can make offshore companies for the Japs in general. To spite Japan itself.
  23. PValery53
    PValery53 5 June 2020 10: 02 New
    0
    For some disrespectful reason, the Russian press does not wake up the idea of ​​returning the "northern territory", North Hokkaido, Russia. With an aggressive attempt to take away the Kuril Islands from us, Japan, of course, will be left without North Hokkaido.
  24. Suslin
    Suslin 5 June 2020 10: 10 New
    0
    An attempt to review the results of World War II by Japan. It is time to remind the samurai that a peace treaty has not been signed between the USSR and Japan, which means that there is no such treaty between Russia and Japan either. So Russia and Japan are still, de facto, opponents. Let them think about all the consequences of the absence of such an agreement, including the possibility of resolving this issue by military means.
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  26. Borz
    Borz 5 June 2020 10: 13 New
    +1
    And why the Japanese do not adopt the "successful" experience of one very European country in regaining territories. They are weak, these Japanese, weak and narrow-minded. That would create "the police of the four temporarily occupied islands", would appoint a prefect, would create the entire bureaucratic apparatus - and, you see, things would go! Here in one very European power, from year to year they declare that everything, already now the peninsulas will begin to return to the alma mater, that the eastern region people, temporarily, of course, cut off from the most democratic and free state, simply dream of returning to the shadows two-color flag. Well, there is the same thing! And the Japanese ... that the Japanese, are engaged in talking shop.
    If anything, then this is sarcasm
  27. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 5 June 2020 10: 40 New
    -2
    It pisses me off. What, it is difficult for the President to say clearly: "The topic is closed. No negotiations!" What is there to procrastinate ?! am
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 5 June 2020 14: 14 New
      0
      Speak, don’t say, then what? Japs one figs in Russian do not understand a damn thing.
  28. Sova
    Sova 5 June 2020 10: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: hydrox
    thus, they showed us a hole with a width of 22 km of international waters, which deprives Russia of the opportunity to call the Sea of ​​Okhotsk our inland body of water.

    Do not tell me where to look at this issue? And I didn’t find it.
  29. 1536
    1536 5 June 2020 10: 55 New
    0
    The Japanese are so smart, so let them let off steam, for example, create some kind of "Island-land" attraction for themselves, in the vicinity of Tokyo, in which the entire territory of Russia up to the Ural Mountains allegedly belongs to them. They love to dream so much? We paid, played, returned to reality, while receiving a weekly note of protest from our Ministry of Foreign Affairs over snot demanding the closure of the attraction, the refusal to issue visas to so-called Japanese "tourists" to visit the Kuril Islands in reality, and another arrest of Japanese poachers border guards in our own territorial Far Eastern waters. The Japanese must firmly say: Come on, goodbye!
  30. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 5 June 2020 11: 25 New
    0
    Tired of these Japanese phantom pains in the "northern territories! Just wondering when they will calm down? After all, Russia will NEVER and FOR ANYTHING give up the Southern Kuriles!"
  31. TAMBU
    TAMBU 5 June 2020 11: 35 New
    +1
    Birds fluttered from a stone ridge -
    Sea Dragon hid in the abyss
    The bear is sitting on the shore ...

    Well, or something like that)
  32. megadeth
    megadeth 5 June 2020 12: 22 New
    0
    I am extremely concerned !!!!!!! ????
  33. Alexfly
    Alexfly 5 June 2020 12: 40 New
    +1
    Well, and what was the matter? Continue the war, there is no agreement on the end of the war, step on, step on!
  34. orionvitt
    orionvitt 5 June 2020 13: 41 New
    0
    they think that Japan is ready to give up its lands.
    She renounced her sovereignty.
  35. NF68
    NF68 5 June 2020 15: 56 New
    0
    Trying to regain the South Kuril Islands, Japan risks losing Hokkaido.
  36. radiootdel4
    radiootdel4 5 June 2020 20: 06 New
    +1
    Japanese hokku "On the slopes of Fujiyama":
    "On the slope of Fujiyama, horseradish flourished ... the Japanese cannot see the Kuriles."