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Footcloths or socks: a long-standing debate about what is best for soldiers' legs

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Footcloths or socks: a long-standing debate about what is best for soldiers' legs

Currently, in the Russian Armed Forces, soldier's footcloths along with tarpaulin boots that have stepped back into the category of forgotten archaic, but many years of debate about which is more practical, hygienic and generally better for everyday wear by ordinary and sergeant personnel, which is better for a soldier’s foot, not subside to this day. So who is right?


The soldier's footcloth is one of the indispensable attributes of the Soviet Army. Because of this, a huge number of the male part of the population of our country mention them cause nostalgic memories of an unforgettable two years of youth. However, for some they are among the shameful characters of the mossy “scoop”, worthy of only ridicule and all censure. Typically, these characters, as a rule, are representatives of the so-called "intelligentsia" and did not serve a day in the army ...

Those who argue that the footcloths had to be abandoned, if only to follow the best practices of the civilized West, forget that this item of soldier's uniform came to our army from there. Carrying out military reform, Peter I borrowed footcloths from the highly respected Dutch. At the same time, which is very paradoxical, a piece of fabric wrapped around a leg, in combination with traditional bast shoes, was the most primordial attribute in Russia, as the name itself, which comes from the Russian “tailor”, “ports”, already speaks there is a word for a cut piece of canvas or clothing from it.

However, in the army of the Russian Empire, footcloths were several times expelled from soldiers' barracks. This happened in those periods when some of the sovereigns who bowed to Prussia tried to uniform the local warriors in the local manner. To narrow boots and patent leather shoes, footcloths, of course, went like a saddle to a cow. However, in such shoes it was possible to exclusively march on capital parade parades, and not walk along the dusty roads of long marches and along the relief of battlefields. By the beginning of the Patriotic War of 1812, the Russian army was returned boots, and, accordingly, footcloths. This is evidenced even by the appearance in French of the expression chaussette russe - “Russian stocking”, which designated, as it has been reliably proved, no haberdashery products, but just soldier's footcloths.

It was precisely their great lack of Napoleonic “conquerors”, who were scooping up from Russia a harsh Russian winter and killing thousands, including from the cold. Is the same история happened more than a century later and with those who tried to repeat Bonaparte’s bad idea with the conquest of Russia by the Nazis. Locked near Stalingrad, the German group literally begged to send as much fabric as possible for the manufacture of footcloths! However, one cannot fail to mention that during the Great Patriotic War in the Wehrmacht, in addition to socks, footcloths were used, known as Fußlappen and differing from ours except in square rather than rectangular shape. And, by the way, they were preferred by veterans who began their military career back in World War I. Our other opponents, the Finns, abandoned the footcloths in the army only in the 90s of the last century.

But what is still better: socks or footcloths? Before starting the enumeration of the indisputable and undoubted advantages of the latter, which has already turned into a classic, it is worth noting the most important detail: it all depends on who and in what circumstances this accessory is used. Yes, the “classical” footcloth, which is the most ordinary piece of fabric (cotton or winter flannel or flannelette) in sizes of 35-50 by 75-90 cm, has a lot of advantages. It is warmer, better protects the foot in rough and even large shoes from rubbing and gumming the skin with prolonged movement. It is more hygroscopic (it absorbs sweat better). And in case of getting wet, it can easily be rewound with the dry side.

The footcloth is better and longer to wear, easier to ventilate and wash. In the end, footcloths, unlike socks, can be cut from any more or less suitable fabric - for a while it will fit. And here, in the most pompous place of our “ode to the footcloth”, it's time to move on to the inevitable “but” ... All of the above is true if the footcloth is of normal quality (not worn and rubbed to the limit) and, most importantly , is when winding in skillful and dexterous hands.


Otherwise, wait for trouble. Terribly, to the blood brought down by the wrongly wound footcloths, the feet of the soldiers were seen by everyone who served in the army. Well, if not their own ... The footcloths were good for the Red Army, a huge part of the personnel of which were natives of rural areas or small villages, trained to properly wind them from childhood. At the worst, in every company there was an experienced foreman who quickly hammered this wisdom (not so simple) even into the heads of the urban “Belorusses”, who had first put on the Kirzachs in the army. In the modern, becoming more and more professional Russian army, there are others and foremen, and shoes, and conditions of service. In modern soldier's boots, which are close to good sports shoes in complexity and convenience, footcloth is hardly appropriate.

It, along with tarpaulin boots, is a sign of a total war, in the process of which millions become guns and the cheapness and practicality of soldier's equipment come first, and not their convenience and “tricked out”. And one more thing. We live in a complex world, so I would recommend to each young man to take a couple of lessons for winding footcloths from representatives of older generations who still remember how to do this. Just in case.
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  2. Invoce
    Invoce 5 June 2020 11: 16 New
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    To wear boots, especially under conditions when it is not always possible to remove and dry shoes - only Footcloths! I know from my experience wearing a BOOT! If you wear berets - then socks
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 5 June 2020 11: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Invoce
      only footcloths

      That year in the 97th received two bags of defective socks. Traded them for a hundred boots. The typists sewed socks, and the whole part went to them. And we worked in boots.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 5 June 2020 11: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: Invoce
      To wear boots, especially under conditions when it is not always possible to remove and dry shoes - only Footcloths! I know from my experience wearing a BOOT! If you wear berets - then socks

      Boots, "Faraday soldier's kirzachs", although they were given out, but never shod them like that No. .



      I prefer berets. And he hooked under them and a footcloth and a dense, usually a woolen sock, in the summer, in the winter.
      Legs in this case (at least for me), oddly enough, do not "prey" ...
      This way of wearing was suggested by the guys-specialists, veterans of the 1st and 2nd Chechens, who "played tricks" in our side of Saur Mogily in 2014 ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 June 2020 11: 57 New
        +4
        Quote: Insurgent
        And he hooked under them and a footcloth and a dense, usually a woolen sock, in the summer, in the winter.

        When my grandson served in the army, my son taught him to wind footcloths (just like you). With all the march-throws the guy never had a scuff.
      2. BIABIA
        BIABIA 5 June 2020 12: 28 New
        +5
        Woolen sock - theme! He wore instead of footcloths in both summer and winter. Nothing sang - not sweated. With a quick climb, a footcloth to wind is not comme il faut ...
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 5 June 2020 13: 53 New
          -1
          Quote: BIABIA
          Woolen sock - theme!

          Definitely .... Lara Croft always dressed them under her boots ...
          1. iouris
            iouris 6 June 2020 15: 54 New
            -1
            ... and gaskets (I don’t name the brand - everyone knows it well).
        2. dauria
          dauria 5 June 2020 13: 56 New
          29
          Woolen sock - theme! He wore instead of footcloths both in summer and in winter


          Nonsense, I tried it. It is rubbed, you can't save enough. And the main thing is that the boot "glides" on the leg. Not immediately, but a little later in a long "race". Took all the cadets' footcloths for 5 years. They always kept within the standard time, even in the barracks, even in the resting changing of the guard. To boot only a footcloth is my personal opinion.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 5 June 2020 15: 29 New
            0
            Quote: dauria
            Rubbed, do not get enough.

            It depends on what kind of shoes.
            Boots and Soviet ankle boots with socks are definitely not "friends". Especially after getting wet and dry. Fly at once.

            Quote: dauria
            He carried all the cadets for 5 years.

            And if you put them on you now and make you wear them all the time, you’ll definitely erase your legs. From footcloths quickly wean
            Therefore, it is not a good idea for a mobilization army.
            1. dauria
              dauria 5 June 2020 17: 14 New
              +3
              you’ll definitely rub your feet. From footcloths quickly wean


              No, you are mistaken. Of the hundreds of 17-year-old guys who have never worn footcloths and who passed exams yesterday, they put on HB and boots after an order for admission. And the march to the barracks. With all the delights of the KMB under the strict guidance of chests of drawers, a platoon and foreman castle from yesterday’s soldiers who arrived from the military. And nobody rubbed anything. At least they didn’t get into the medical unit, they ran charges, learned how to walk, run, drag service in outfits, etc.
              . In addition to the guards - the guard only after the oath in a month.
              Now I do not know how it is. But then they knew how to teach honestly and without snot.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 5 June 2020 17: 55 New
                +3
                Quote: dauria
                No, you are mistaken. Of the hundreds of 17-year-old guys who have never worn footcloths and who passed the exams yesterday, they put on HB and boots after an order for admission. And the march to the barracks. With all the delights of the KMB under the strict guidance of chests of drawers, a platoon and foreman castle from yesterday’s soldiers who arrived from the military. And nobody rubbed anything.

                laughing
                And here let me not believe it. Maybe you just forgot?
                At the KMB, everyone has scuffs. To a greater or lesser extent. Three or four people per battery in general "slippers" (with exemption from boots from the medical unit)

                Quote: dauria
                At least they didn’t get into the medical unit, they ran charges, learned how to walk, run, drag service in outfits, etc.

                Uh ...
                Everything was somewhat different with us. The tents, the forest, the races, the footcloths are drying under the sheets at the feet. And "they learned to walk in formation" only later, when they returned to the school.
              2. ccsr
                ccsr 5 June 2020 17: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: dauria
                And nobody rubbed anything.

                For the first three to four days, it was hard to wear the new summer ones even at the senior courses - you must remember this.
                1. dauria
                  dauria 5 June 2020 20: 02 New
                  +4
                  it was hard to wear even in high school - you must remember that


                  Old, I do not remember. I remember - heels were squeezed, purple and brown stripes sometimes appeared in winter footcloths recourse I also remember that the worn hair on the shin could easily distinguish a cadet on the beach. laughing I remember the first dismissal and shoes - it seemed that weights were untied from the legs, they were so light. And most of all I remember friendship, real. This is a strange thing - not very much like many, some did not digest. But it happened that, as one rushed to help.
          2. Insurgent
            Insurgent 6 June 2020 07: 26 New
            +3
            Quote: dauria
            Nonsense, I tried it. It is rubbed, you can't save enough. And the main thing is that the boot "glides" on the leg.

            That's not the kind of shoe you've tried yes It’s about thick, woolen boots with high ankle boots, in which nothing slips due to the fact that the shin is tightly covered with lacing, and not boots-kirzachi, which really:
            Quote: dauria
            To the boot only a footcloth is my personal opinion.
          3. peter1v
            peter1v 10 June 2020 07: 15 New
            0
            On a wool sock on top of a kapron - it will never be erased. But the shoes should be sized so that the foot does not slip inside.
          4. Vadim237
            Vadim237 12 June 2020 20: 13 New
            -1
            Now for socks it is possible to apply new materials durable to wear and which will not allow the legs to shine and even provide blowing in boots with the help of micro fans from the temperature of the human body.
        3. Lopatov
          Lopatov 5 June 2020 15: 23 New
          +5
          Quote: BIABIA
          Woolen sock - theme!

          Wrong topic.
          In fact, we need special "footprints" from coarse wool of large knitting. Best of all, canine. And they are worn UNDER a sock or footcloth. Lest "sweat and sweat"

          Quote: BIABIA
          With a quick climb, a footcloth to wind is not comme il faut ...

          You can put on a "parachute". There will be enough for the parade ground. And after a year of wearing boots with footcloths "parachutes" do not rub even on a march. And you can put out cigarettes on your heels. laughing
          1. BIABIA
            BIABIA 5 June 2020 16: 18 New
            +3
            The right topic. 1,5 years of the two wore just like that (kirzachi). I served as a carrier, only the first six months on the parade ground, then there was not a parade ground. The car was often a parade ground, and a dining room, and a bed, and everything in the world. Woolen socks, thick knit - yes. And they put on a parachute in training. Only after the drill someone is lucky, a footcloth comes off the heel, you can ditch your legs, checked repeatedly.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 5 June 2020 18: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: BIABIA
              And they put on a parachute in training.

              On the contrary, you need to get used to the parachute

              Quote: BIABIA
              Woolen socks, thick knit - yes

              There are no socks, there are much more interesting. I will try to search for a picture.
    3. Civil
      Civil 5 June 2020 11: 49 New
      10
      All these newfangled tarpaulin boots with footcloths are one harm to the army, but how from Suzdal on foot to Smolensk? A saber, a caftan, a berdysh, an atom and squeaked dragging, only onuchi with cheboty! Well, they’ll endure the winter, too, in the summer, there’s also some benefit, while the pistons in the mud get stuck, the forelocks go forward.
    4. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 5 June 2020 12: 31 New
      +4
      The most correct comment. You don’t even need to write articles ...
    5. iouris
      iouris 5 June 2020 12: 58 New
      -4
      Quote: Invoce
      only footcloths!

      And the glamorous women who march in front of the Areopagus will also wear footcloths? You have to choose: either glamorous women or footcloths. If I were a director, I would choose glamorous women.
    6. Yrec
      Yrec 5 June 2020 13: 05 New
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      Let me add on my own: socks are good where there is a normal supply, if a week or more without a change, the socks will be erased. While peace and supply are normal, one can speculate which is better. And the war will quickly judge everyone.
      1. iouris
        iouris 5 June 2020 13: 54 New
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        Quote: Yrec
        the war will judge everyone quickly.

        Who is "all"? The fighting will not start: safety is the most important goal. Who else has something will be bought off. Maybe something (unnecessary) will be bombed demonstratively (not without it), but this is only within the framework of an information war.
      2. tatarin1972
        tatarin1972 8 June 2020 23: 22 New
        +1
        He wore both boots and boots. I wore shoes with socks a couple of times, if the socks were of the type of leggings, then maybe they would be worn, and so the socks roll down, you rub your feet. Our boots were yuft, soft, with a shortened bootleg, narrow in the ankle, and the bootleg itself goes up to the top, legs could be rubbed if you only wrap a footcloth in knots. My opinion is that the best option is footcloths, that boots, that boots.
    7. Pravodel
      Pravodel 5 June 2020 15: 41 New
      +3
      Everything is correct, socks or footcloths - depends on the tasks and shoes that are chosen to solve the problems.
      If you climb mountains, then boots and footcloths are just to break your legs, and with them your head, but if you climb a swamp, a swampy forest, snow, etc., then it’s better to have footcloths with boots .
      1. Sergey10789
        Sergey10789 9 June 2020 12: 08 New
        0
        Yes Yes Yes. In the swamp especially in the boot ... Scoop scoop-so scoop. By the way. For reference ... Even the worst soldier's boots, if the size and lacing is tightened, do not get wet through. How many times have I noticed. Wet - yes, but inside the water does not squish. Drying is a matter of about forty minutes. I am already silent about special shoes, such as mountain boots, boots for low temperatures, etc. Yes with a special moisture-proof / moisture-proof sock. So it’s not worth writing about footcloths and ode boots. The main jamb of classic boots is the bootleg and nail method of fastening ... Even the nail method of fastening is probably a bigger jamb here. In my opinion, odes for footcloths are written for nostalgia ...
    8. astepanov
      astepanov 5 June 2020 17: 56 New
      +3
      In 75, an inspection headed by a certain major general arrived at our unit (ZakVO, military unit 55622). On this occasion, the barracks were stripped down to a shine, scraped out with a piece of glass, the floors were rubbed with red stinking rubbish - in general, those who served, they know what the arrival of high-ranking officials is. And inside they walked only in slippers on bare feet - except for the outfit of orderlies, of course. Well, this general pinned himself to the barracks, accompanied by our regiment. We were immediately lined up, and Mr. General said: "What are you guys, barefoot and not in socks?" Then they slandered for a long time that the general did not know the service: a soldier, according to the standard of allowance, is entitled to a pair of socks for two years in a set of ceremonial uniforms. I remember that they collected five dogwood buckets for this Anike-warrior, and he dumped them in Tbilisi. So the authorities in those days gave a damn about socks there, footcloths ... The authorities think strategically, the main thing is to stomp louder, paint the grass green and look dashing and silly, and the rest will somehow grow together by itself.
    9. zenion
      zenion 5 June 2020 19: 13 New
      +3
      The cart and sleigh argued that it’s easier to drag a horse, they have already switched to mat. We decided to ask the horse. She looked at them and said - you are trash and you trash!
    10. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 5 June 2020 20: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Invoce
      To wear boots, especially under conditions when it is not always possible to remove and dry shoes - only Footcloths! I know from my experience wearing a BOOT! If you wear berets - then socks

      To this day, for walking in the taiga, I use footcloths. A couple in a backpack, a couple on their feet. I usually use one pair as there is an opportunity to dry on the hut. Once in late autumn, an ax was stuck in the leg, cut through a boot and a footcloth, there was a well-cleaned and erased spare tire. On a boot along a shaft, he burned a hole with a red-hot nail, sewed the fishing line crosswise as a lacing, dug it with resin, wrapped a new footcloth and drowned it home. Water still leaked, but the footcloth performed the role of a bandage, the infection did not get into the wound. A couple of times he held his foot in a salt solution and healed like a dog.
    11. boni592807
      boni592807 7 June 2020 19: 38 New
      0
      You are right, this is how to compare SVD and AK. hi It all depends on how you were taught - where, when, with whom and how much. wink
  3. CosmoKot
    CosmoKot 5 June 2020 11: 16 New
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    Anecdote is recalled to the footcloths account:
    - Vasil Ivanovich spy caught. Tortured silent.
    - Did my footcloths allow me to sniff?
    - Well, what are we, Vasil Ivanovich sadists or something ..
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 5 June 2020 11: 28 New
      12
      Quote: CosmoKot
      Anecdote is recalled to the footcloths account:

      If you don’t wash your legs and don’t wash your socks, the effect will be the same. laughing
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 June 2020 11: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: Hagen
        If you don’t wash your legs and don’t wash your socks, the effect will be the same.

        No, no, you can't put footcloths in a corner by any means, but socks are easy ... though, you never had to see this.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 5 June 2020 11: 38 New
          +9
          You can put a footcloth in the corner. Pre-bending. Caution - Do Not Break!
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 5 June 2020 11: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          No, no, you can't put footcloths in a corner by any means, but socks are easy ... though, you never had to see this.

          I didn’t see it either, but I had to sniff.
        3. Grandfather
          Grandfather 5 June 2020 12: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          Quote: Hagen
          If you don’t wash your legs and don’t wash your socks, the effect will be the same.

          No, no, you can't put footcloths in a corner by any means, but socks are easy ... though, you never had to see this.

          socks in the corner did not stand, but stuck in the door! laughing
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 5 June 2020 12: 33 New
            +4
            There are socks in the corner ...
            Or chop them into pieces? ...
            Or smash it? ...
            Or wash? ...
            Well, nafig them! Let it stand!))) laughing
        4. Hagen
          Hagen 6 June 2020 10: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          No, no, no footcloths in any corner

          I can't say which is better in the corner - a footcloth or a sock, but when in the morning I ran to raise my company and, after the coolness of the forest, took the first step into my native barracks, the blow to the olfactory receptors was almost fatal. I would like to add that once having admitted to "my walls" a hundred female students for military training, the "aromas" have hardly changed. Conclusion: all living organisms have a smell, not always pleasant ... The main thing in this matter is compliance with hygiene standards. Shoigu on this issue, special respect for the cancellation of one wash per week and the arrangement of showers and washing machines in the barracks for all personnel. We never dreamed of this. laughing
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 6 June 2020 11: 08 New
            -1
            And you know, after a bath, a real one, a "scent" of a multinational shade appeared in the cockpit !!!
            This was especially felt after the arrival of the young replenishment ... gradually the smell came to a common denominator, since the diet was the same for everyone!
            Just after that, I fell in love with the COLD SHOWER and taught my fighters to him.
      2. Evdokim
        Evdokim 5 June 2020 11: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: Hagen
        If you don’t wash your legs and don’t wash your socks, the effect will be the same.

        I don’t know ... But you can go for ducks with boomerangs. wassat
  4. Slavs
    Slavs 5 June 2020 11: 26 New
    +2
    The answer to the question in the article itself)
    Every fighter should be able, just in case of a global "scribe" ...
    And so today socks are more appropriate)
    Although with these crises and the preservation of salaries, you will soon have to remember how this is done in civilian too))
  5. fn34440
    fn34440 5 June 2020 11: 29 New
    11
    In the boots walked, and soldiers, and officers, and merchants, and industrialists, and strong peasants, and office workers, and even the favorite of Poklonskaya, Emperor of All Russia, etc., etc. Nicholas II, in all full length portraits, which I saw, he is wearing boots. And you think he put on socks with suspenders under his boots? Well then there was no technology of rubber bands in the fabric. I shook footcloths of their darlings, and I don’t think that made me feel uncomfortable or defective.
    It is not possible to wear socks in boots if they are on a step or at exercises. They are damp, knocked down.
    The footcloths in berets are uncomfortable, you can rub your leg, the laces are untied, and so on.
    1. nznz
      nznz 5 June 2020 11: 53 New
      +1
      and you well imagine a uniform then? I'm talking about trousers, the bottom of the trousers was narrowed to the pipe, and if I pulled the sock on, it was normal. At that time there were special elastic bands (I caught and even wore it), this suspender caught the sock and kept such a thing under the knee on the strap. And nowhere is the sock will not leave.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 5 June 2020 15: 52 New
        -2
        Quote: nznz
        At that time there were also special elastic bands (I found and even wore it), which was a suspender that touched the sock and kept such a thing under the knee on the strap. And the sock will not leave anywhere.

        Yes, even the first astronaut wore them. Truth. his sock lift was unfastened at the most inopportune moment.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 June 2020 12: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: fn34440

      In the boots walked, and soldiers, and officers, and merchants, and industrialists, and strong peasants, and employees

      And the whole village walked in boots. From the first grade, until I finished grade 10, I walked in boots. Only footcloths, where the socks came from in the village, if they were self-knitted woolen, you won’t get enough of them .; And now the village prefers a boot.
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 5 June 2020 12: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: fn34440
      , and so forth. Nicholas II, in all the full-length full-length portraits that I saw, he is shod in boots.

      Not always - when he was wearing a naval uniform he was wearing boots.
      1. iouris
        iouris 5 June 2020 16: 16 New
        0
        Nicholas II personally experienced a soldier's uniform, making marching throws in full combat gear.
        Quote:
        Emperor Nicholas the 2nd reduced his service in the army - up to 2 years, in the navy - up to 5 years. I personally checked the living conditions of the soldiers and the service, how he lives, what he eats.
        I checked the new infantry equipment system, personally, with a march of 40 miles. Apart from the court minister and the palace commandant, he did not tell anyone about this.
        End of quote.
      2. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 5 June 2020 20: 38 New
        -2
        Quote: ccsr
        when he was wearing a naval uniform he was wearing boots

        Nope. This boots, just trousers on the run.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 6 June 2020 11: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Senior Sailor
          Nope. This boots, just trousers on the run.

          Naval officers wore boots:
          The charter shoes of the sailors were high infantry boots. On the ship, sailors wore boots under trousers. In the ranks, on land (parades, landing), trousers were set into boots. In cases where sailors wore robes, coarse shoes were worn with them without a sewn toe. Sailor laced boots appeared only after the February Revolution of 1917 (only naval officers wore boots in the tsarist fleet).
          Navy officers wearing trousers for graduation wore either black elastic-band boots or laced boots with an sewn-on toe. With white trousers there were canvas white low shoes - shoes. On land (in a parade or during landing operations) wore high boots of an infantry sample with a straight edge of the boot. If the officer was riding, then spurs were put on his boots. In the pedestrian formation, spurs were not worn.
          It was not customary for the naval officers to wear lace-up high boots and boots with leggings.

          http://costumer.narod.ru/text/rivosh-army-boot.htm
    4. garri-lin
      garri-lin 6 June 2020 21: 13 New
      +1
      Footcloths in berets live quite normal. And much better than socks, if I say from the heart.
  6. Topol M
    Topol M 5 June 2020 11: 30 New
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    Since I finished my service in the ranks of the SA, I can say the following: for fishing and hunting - only boots with footcloths. From the cadet pores they wore oval, among officers they wore chrome and oval for field exits; they wore socks with lamenesses. From the service there were two pairs of ash trees, so I drag them to hunt, all modern ones are far and natural only with footcloths to them. If the hands were correctly sharpened, then you will never rub your feet,
    1. nznz
      nznz 5 June 2020 12: 00 New
      +5
      Well, the main contingent of the army is the rank and file, they are up to the molehills and chrome like ragosin to the moon.
      And you do not take into account the urgency-anxiety factor, etc., you bring a military subject to civilian life. Well, about the boots. In my time (71-73), the boots were rubbish-on folds (a pair of boots was worn at the norm for a year)
      the fabric was wiped to holes from which white threads stuck.
      Naturally, you’re dry until the first puddle, and you don’t have ice as well in winter. Starshin betrayed me from substitution. I took down the couples. Not infantry. But the exercises were often from the Moscow ring, to trips to the North (North-6), or to Ukraine- near Kiev tables (Brovary 72km, the village of Alenovka). This is West 10 (there, during the exercises, General Seroshtan drowned in a car with a driver on the Volga).
      We dried the boots in a peculiar way. Our power machine had 2 diesel engines (or gasoline on the old ones), he put on a hot boot for exhaust, and blows a burn in it, until the mechanic sees the boots dry. like a hairdryer.
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 5 June 2020 16: 42 New
        +1
        Bended boots were wiped in the first year of service. Then the gait was somehow corrected and the boots were no longer rubbed. It is interesting that in civilian life, if you know how to wear kirzachi, dirt does not climb on the sides of shoes. Though walk on wet clay. Himself with laughter repeatedly noticed. And I'm not alone.
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 5 June 2020 18: 18 New
          0
          Just legs rub against each other, therefore, at the bends above the ankles, the boots are erased, and the dirt climbs above the knees. And figs who will tell you that you just need to put your legs a little wider when walking. He knew one Buryat, so he wondered how the boots could rub against each other. The bow-legged was as if grown on a barrel. But he walked, tripped over his legs.
    2. iouris
      iouris 5 June 2020 22: 45 New
      -1
      Quote: Poplar M
      If your hands have been sharpened correctly, you will never rub your feet

      Footcloths are no longer being released. Too expensive pleasure, and hands are not sharpened for that (like heads)
  7. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 5 June 2020 11: 34 New
    +6
    Footcloths or socks: a long-standing debate about what is best for soldiers' legs
    Hygiene, it gives health, health gives work, work gives money, money gives love, love gives life. (joke). Footcloth is more hygienic, so to speak. If you do not meddle in infantile jerboas at kara-kum, and do not ride through the mountains in Afghanistan. And sitting in a trench or grabbing on a broken road, then only a footcloth and boots. They will not throw everything on turntables. For racing specials and even seasonal sneakers, 10 pairs, they can, and the infantry request ......
  8. Hagalaz
    Hagalaz 5 June 2020 11: 36 New
    14
    When I served, I never saw a footcloth rubbed to holes. But the son served in berets and holey socks there is a constant phenomenon, as I understand it.
    I think that since the soldiers are walking in berets, so the socks should be of good, modern fabric, not cheap, just to give something away.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 5 June 2020 15: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Hagalaz
      When I served, I never saw a footcloth rubbed to holes.

      Lucky.
      In fact, a common occurrence. Are worn out. And when winding, they burst on the heel.
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 6 June 2020 10: 05 New
        +1
        Maybe lucky. I served in the Strategic Rocket Forces. Maybe the supply is different, maybe the ensign in the warehouse was not stolen. I don’t know in general.
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx 5 June 2020 16: 47 New
      +1
      I have a variety of expensive super-duper socks. For all occasions. I doubt very much that they will withstand the military exploitation. One, maximum two days in them is much better than in ordinary ones. Then everything is the same and even worse. Salt from sweat is absorbed. And it is hygroscopic, retains moisture. After that, the sock becomes wet, and the legs sour. The salt from sweat and the membrane in the shoes clogs up (if it is there) and makes it ordinary rubber.
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 6 June 2020 10: 09 New
        0
        And what about our sworn partners? I don’t think their soldier sweat is less caustic. And in berets they serve longer than ours.
  9. Doccor18
    Doccor18 5 June 2020 11: 49 New
    +4
    Nothing better than footcloths made of natural material and boots (or felt boots for Siberia) for the soldier were not invented and will not be invented soon.
    Socks are good for parades. In a real routine service, they "burn". And there is nothing to say about the fighting. Only footcloths.
    They are stronger, more durable, more practical, cheaper, more physiological for the foot (better absorb sweat, blood). With proper winding, do not kill the foot at long crossings.
    Footcloths rule the ball.
  10. nznz
    nznz 5 June 2020 11: 50 New
    +7
    I have the right to my 2 lines, because dmb -73 and the boot wore off steam 6. The elder (ensign) grumbled, but gave out. \
    Our part wasn’t like that all the time on foot. Vatutinki near Moscow, a separate radio relay battalion. Radio relay communications, General Staff, provided communications between the headquarters and the front line, of course, not one battle, but several three or four and the ends of the LF and ZAS .
    We drove, but the burns burned like paper. I don’t know from what. Portyanka, as the author rightly remarked, issued both ordinary flannels and even both in winter.
    The author described the pros, the cons are there too. God forbid winding a footcloth crookedly. I’m a purely urban man and a boot isn’t just a footcloth. Moreover, I am from a naval family, and at that time I didn’t wear boots and socks in the fleet. He mastered the science of winding a piglet in his studies at Kuznechiki near Podolsk, where we drew a little utrechik and reeled circles for exercise. They erased their legs, but there were short runs and in the end they got used to reeling properly without haste. He also mastered the quick way - this is when a footcloth is placed on the bootleg and a foot stepping on it pulls it inside. You could jump out in a hurry to build. Well, if after that a start was given, well, no luck. For shot down legs and corns, they shot already. Not war
    and so the main minus is the need for training and reinforcing the skill of winding. And it's not like socks that anyone will put on right away without hesitation. It’s necessary to say that it’s faster too. These few seconds can save a life .. and winding up a footcloth immediately and conveniently doesn’t always work out, even with snacks. I put my foot in the wrong place and there was extra fabric in the toe of the boot. Usually there was time to rewind right away as convenient.
    In combat conditions, there may not be time.
    We tried to wear socks when catching, and this was severely punished.

    The footcloth can be rewound dry down — but it doesn’t help — because the boots are wet through and with the tarpaulin worn to the threads at the bends and immediately equalized the difference. I served as a soldier and write what I know. Deploying the P-406 radio relay is 5 hours of hard work and is rated excellent (in winter). This means that all 5 hours you are in the snow, in mud and water, and it will be possible to dry out and warm up only after finishing work. As long as the KUNG antenna machine is occupied by sections, it just does not fit into it. These are then tables for assembling waveguides and mattresses on them, and a stove and a stove, and sleep ... and for now, knee-deep in slush.
    It happened often — I especially remember April in Belarus near Roslavl — I never met such dirt to the waist again. Three cars and a trailer sat on the belly above the bridges. WAREM also sat, pulled out by tractors, then changed gearboxes on all machines. And I remember people as well as a game-man, forever, sympathetic old people, former partisans-we were invited to the jar in black and treated while the lieutenant washed us in a pile of moonshine and poured the fat of straw on straw, eternal memory to them. I summarize: we need to improve the boot and the footcloth so that they would be in a complex to each other.
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 7 June 2020 17: 44 New
      0
      need to improve


      Now in soft shoes a soft foam sole is used, which also deforms when worn on the foot and survives until the shoes are completely worn out. There are such industrial materials as soft silicones, among which there are materials from which, due to their hygiene, softness and chemical resistance, they make medical products - tubes, droppers, orthopedics, implants, etc.
      Most likely, if you partially make the inner part of boots or berets out of such materials - this greatly eliminates the difference between socks and footcloths. You can, as a primitive experiment, buy a thin, necessarily soft, silicone mat, a pharmacy heating pad or a silicone mesh for washing in the household and cut out the insoles from them for gluing into some rough shoes for the season.
      Footcloths rather require the selection of new fabric, for example, thin high-quality microfiber and applying indelible markings on them for winding, but it is unreasonable to refuse them, since it is technologically easier to produce them in conditions of lagging industry or other problems - you just need an unwinding-cutting machine to cut them from a common 5-ton fabric roll.
      1. nznz
        nznz 7 June 2020 19: 46 New
        0
        I wore such actions that were comfortably comfortable and a leg like in a cradle. I forgot the name of the second pair, the first Adidas was, the second Shakers seems.
      2. mmaxx
        mmaxx 7 June 2020 20: 24 New
        0
        What's the difference. No sock can stand 2 days of continuous wear. A normal man’s feet will be yawning. And then the socks will begin to rot. Everyone can try on their boots at least somehow similar to the army.
        If there is an opportunity to change socks - then I am for it.
        1. ycuce234-san
          ycuce234-san 7 June 2020 22: 18 New
          0
          And then the socks will begin to rot.


          Synthetics with rotting and wear are complicated; it, besides (directly whole shoes, and not just linen) can be soaked with bouquets of chemical medications (anesthetics, insecticides and acaricides, antifungal, hemostatic, etc.) automatically, right in industrial washing machines. And modern clothes and shoes for sports of the highest achievements - mainly synthetics and a source of valuable ideas and proven practice - athletes plow in training and, accordingly, exploit the crew, which is much stronger than soldiers.
          1. mmaxx
            mmaxx 8 June 2020 03: 26 New
            0
            I have all sorts of these super-socks. Wrote about it. Convenient for one day. Then, with the accumulation of salt, everything becomes very bad. It would be better x / b. And all the impregnations before the first wash.
            Here is an example. Skins company. They laid a copper thread in the fingers. Type, removal of statics, reduces fatigue. So from from this copper the foot gets wet right away. And almost squish with moisture. Socks for one workout / competition. This is an extreme example. In this case, the wool is 100 times better. But she is missing for a long time. It is necessary to change, otherwise - holes.
            That is, all modern socks are designed to quickly remove moisture from the leg, then it must go through the shoes - mesh or membrane. But this is all for the citizen. In the army, with love with a brush and cream, these are all useless properties. Rather, useful until a certain point.
            This is still despite the fact that my legs are not sweaty. And there are people with terrible sweating.
            1. ycuce234-san
              ycuce234-san 8 June 2020 19: 00 New
              0
              all modern socks are designed to quickly remove moisture from the leg, then it must go through the shoes - mesh or membrane


              It is the "one-day" footwear of the future that is likely to be - that is, it took a day and handed it over for mechanized troubleshooting and hygienic treatment, and in return received a new defective, washed and soaked pair from the general stock of footwear. Neither socks nor footcloths will be required at all, since their role will be played by the very soft inner part of the shoe. It will look extremely unusual for a modern look: it will look more like ski or rollerblading or motorboots: that is, for example, on top of a hard, articulated, adjustable, nylon-glass-carbon-fiber exoskeleton with a sole, it contains a soft silicone mud-waterproof boot and in it a multilayer synthetic high boot ... All this has radio tags, points for grips and valves - for working with automatic shoes. And since such shoes will not rot for a long time, it will be easier to store them for a long time - pack them in big bags for 1-5 tons and bury them in the field, in ditches below the freezing depth.
  11. seagull
    seagull 5 June 2020 11: 56 New
    +6
    The country is big .... For the southern regions - boots with socks, for the middle strip and the north - boots with footcloths. It seems to me that such a separation had to be done back in the 30s of the last century.
  12. Free wind
    Free wind 5 June 2020 11: 57 New
    +1
    There is probably no perfect shoe, unfortunately. If your feet sweat, then few shoes will save your foot from pain, even if you wrap your feet in footcloths, change at least 40 socks every half hour. So we were advised to use boric acid. But where to get it ... It was interesting to learn the German way of winding footcloths. Though you don’t shake foot wraps anyway, they go astray after an hour of walking or running. Socks are torn. But in the west they don’t want footcloths. Yes, and before in socks, went. Remember at A.S. Pushkin in the Captain's Daughter, the main character asked the aunt in a letter to send him socks, otherwise, from frequent darnings, the socks became narrow, and they would not fit on his leg. Russian stockings are knitted socks, usually woolen, or for socks and cheapening with the addition of plant fibers, such as flax. Knitted women in winter evenings, often in absolute darkness, so hands were familiar. Over the evening, grandmothers could tie one sock. They say they were craftswomen and knitted more.
  13. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 5 June 2020 11: 58 New
    +3
    only footcloths. Socks in the furnace. The first two weeks I suffered, took the footcloths and everything went. How many people with calluses in socks were .. tin. do not wash, but after 10 minutes your socks will be wet when there is 30 heat in the street. And in the footcloths, the berets perfectly sit, do not rub, do not slap, there are no corns. The main thing is to wind correctly .. not many were able, unfortunately.
  14. AB
    AB 5 June 2020 12: 03 New
    +2
    Terribly, to the blood shot down by the wrongly wound footcloths of the feet of the fighters, everyone saw

    And everyone saw how the berets were not in size or when the socks were larger by a couple of sizes, they twisted and crawled from their feet. The result is exactly the same as with footcloths. Just take off the boot and rewind the footcloth for a maximum of 20-30 seconds, the same thing with berets is a problem. In any case, it all depends on the person and his experience.
  15. Prisoner
    Prisoner 5 June 2020 12: 06 New
    +2
    And socks, and footcloths in their place, at one time are good. Argue is not an argument, but a massive universal shoe suitable for any terrain and for any time of the year can hardly be riveted. Therefore, boots-footcloths and berets-socks will not completely replace each other.
  16. Nitarius
    Nitarius 5 June 2020 12: 27 New
    -1
    In the event of a real war .. there will be no time to repair socks or run around the shops! and there’s nothing to do with the Army, it’s not clear what .. some kind of nonsense with socks!
  17. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 5 June 2020 12: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Dead Day
    socks in the corner did not stand, but stuck in the door!

    And in the third stage, when tossed, they should stick to the ceiling.
  18. ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF 5 June 2020 12: 41 New
    +1
    Of course, footwear is better for boots than socks. The ability to wind footcloths should be mandatory, even if everyone serves in berets. In berets, of course, socks are better, but not those that are sold for 20 rubles. for a couple, as well as footcloths - you need to be careful about socks, otherwise trouble is provided.
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 5 June 2020 14: 21 New
      +1
      Watching what kind of boot. Chrome is very worn with a sock when size to size. And a leg in a limp feels very comfortable. Own experience
  19. ccsr
    ccsr 5 June 2020 12: 49 New
    +1
    We live in a complex world, so I would recommend to each young man to take a couple of lessons for winding footcloths from representatives of older generations who still remember how to do this. Just in case.

    This skill will never hurt, especially since it is not clear what situation you may be in, and then instead of a sock, you can use any piece of soft material so as not to disfigure your legs to blood in leather shoes.
  20. Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 5 June 2020 12: 49 New
    +1
    What to choose footcloths or socks is regulated by the Rules of wearing a military uniform. They will order to wind the footcloths - it means they will wind.
    In principle, socks are more comfortable to wear, but if there are normal ones and at least five pairs per quarter. This is subject to service at a point of permanent deployment and without weekly march-throws, field exits and tactical training.
    At the point of temporary deployment, business trips, when the rear services can’t cope with the support, they wore footcloths with boots (ordinary berets - crocodiles), they sit normally, you put on a shoe normally. You slap dirty footcloths or cover them with wood, wipe them with snow in a box, put them dry ...
  21. 1536
    1536 5 June 2020 12: 52 New
    +1
    The rank and file and sergeants of the Soviet Army were in full uniform. In it went to dismissal. With a tunic and trousers it was supposed to wear boots, of course, with socks. Although, as far as I remember, it was necessary to have your own socks or buy them on a military basis, since those that gave out (if such a miracle happened) did not suit everyone at all, but they were produced by the domestic light industry for the needs of the army.
    Now, berets, apparently, replaced both boots and boots, and you can wear them with socks. Thus, the usual savings are evident - the exclusion of footcloths from circulation. The tarpaulin boots and footcloths are inseparable. And the art of winding footcloths also developed fine motor skills, which is important, I must say, and today it would not hurt at all.
  22. Genry
    Genry 5 June 2020 13: 03 New
    +3
    I will not convince anyone that it would be more convenient for anyone to wear it.
    But the development of military equipment also affects what is dressed / shod on the legs. It is more rational to use materials (natural raw materials more expensive) and more convenient, all the same, socks, which for the military should be reinforced in places of wear. The technology for the production of socks should ensure the insertion of additional wear-resistant threads in these places, enhancing thermal insulation and wear resistance. In addition (not instead of) to the socks, you need to enter gaiters (in boots) and half-gaiters (in berets) for thermal and traumatic protection of the legs above the ankle. Leg warmers are less susceptible to wear and pollution, unlike socks, which, for any quality, always need to have a spare pair in case of wetting or cooling.
    With normal "clothes" on the feet about the footcloths will simply be forgotten.
    1. nznz
      nznz 5 June 2020 14: 51 New
      +3
      Henry, to the point. All these tales about the fact that the socks are wiped and pulls out are just a fact of the plogo fitted outfit. If the socks are correct - as you recommend - reinforced, then they will not rub anything and will not break. If the boot is arranged inside (or the boot) so that the leg sits tight but not cramped, everything will be fine. In the 21st century, adjusting shoes — expanding the measurement parameters of the foot is not difficult. Ordinary civilian manufacturers manage to produce boots and anything for civilians — I have not seen a single one in boots for a footcloth. semi-boots, semi-boots, shoes, all worn on toes and do not complain. And the casket just opened, you try on and you determine how it sits.
      It was like that in the army of my time. From the washing department in a bathhouse cold as a morgue, without hot water we were let out into the dressing room. Our things were already checked and what was normal was stolen (this is true, 1971, the farm plow reminded of those who had conditionally fallen back, and the foreman all in tattoos). Who asked something and got a hat on his forehead. I got the uniform, the hat is a couple of sizes smaller. I came up, I’ll say, Comrade foreman doesn’t fit. He took the hat, looked at me, carefully put it on my head and threw a palm over it, the hat went like a barrel. Like a glove, the foreman said. There were no more questions. Then in the company, we began to change clothes. overcoats were picked up, and hats were great for someone. Someone was small. They did this for a couple of days. Then the uniform of the tunic and pants were sutured.
      1. DeKo
        DeKo 5 June 2020 16: 39 New
        -1
        Something, as it is poorly believed in your story. Did you serve in the construction battalion?
        1. nznz
          nznz 5 June 2020 21: 32 New
          0
          This was in training in Kuznechiky9 near Podolsk. The training was connected, and the bus was there, a large training center. We are radio relay men, ZASosy, low-frequency cleaners, etc. Then they shoved it in parts, I ended up in 41700 Vatutinki .. 71 years old. When we were taken from the bus to the part, the guys hung on the fences and yelled joyfully, salabons, and so on. You can understand them — when someone comes in, it means someone will leave. minus is not mine.
        2. nznz
          nznz 5 June 2020 22: 10 New
          0
          He served in the 41 unit when (after training), a construction battalion was behind the fence of the vehicle fleet. They ran across the fence into a cap for shortcakes of 700 kopecks. Somehow they sent a guy to buy, and there they were given some curly soldiers with golden fixes in the face. A ridiculous dinner, the cap was close, the seller wanted to sell him, but these curly citizens drew five of us. We were offended by the best techs. On one shobla. The boys we had were very grated, Vovka Muravin — twice knife spreads and from the back-picking of Voronezh youth gangs, they hardly pulled him into the back on the beach in the water, a boxer, a desperate athlete. Shurik Lapochkin-wrestler, boxer. Well and everything like that. Gathered in the car park, it was a park business day, Saturday, who still didn’t move to the dining room for lunch. There were no more than 9 people. I’m a domestic animal, after the 10nd year of the evening radio faculty, except for the fencing category, it didn’t have anything. This is not boxing. But when we are beaten, nothing really matters. Yes, I still wear glasses from grade 2. It is not comfortable. They quickly climbed through a fence made of horizontal concrete slabs — a couple of trifles should be tapped at the seams. They agreed that two Vovka ant were coming and the one who had hit, found cattle and the signal would be the first blow. We went to the site where the construction battalion companies were gathering at the dining room. Their companies were huge for 2 people. Our company was 150 in total. I took off my glasses and pocket, so I didn’t see it very well, but I understood everything from the situation. We approached a group of Kazakh executives with gold fixes, they were out of order, collars were unfastened, belts on a male device. Sergeants seem. Our fit, Vovka asks, this one? Volodya Mikhailov (struck) shakes his head, no, like. And so they pick. It is 80m from us. 10-4 people approached us from this company, and there it stood for a while. We wondered what kind of work, what was needed, who were they? I hear Mikhailov say yes, they all look the same! Take anyone. They’ll grab the tunic and get them out of the rest. Next is a mess. Clicking on the muzzle like a shot. This is a signal. And we were already standing so that every curly one was at our sight. And then it started to start kicking and peeling, a meat grinder. I couldn’t see it very well, but I grabbed my curls with my hand and began to knead the muzzle from below with hooks. Fell, let go, but he crushed Sanya Kuznetsov, that walnut remove it from me. All this lasted for 5-5 minutes no more. And the shorn young warriors of the company three-for lunch are taxiing to the area. This is an awesome cloud of people. And the picture surprised them and the elders. What I remembered, the whistles of the pipes as before on the boats of the boatswain were like trills and jolly whistles. The stones and bricks flew, they broke a window in the cap, and I hear a cry! And where I do not see.
          I’m running back from where they came, and the whole group pulled to the other side, there was also a passage. A black guy was spinning next to him, twisting his belt, I think now he’ll give me a kick on the cumpole, he took off his own and without twisting it, he smacked him on the back, he got up. I’m flying to some corner, there Serega Barkov is a healthy kid driver, stands with sparkling squirrels and in his hands is a bar 50X50 meters three. it’s not a Chinese wand. It’s somehow I calmed down, my glasses stared, my eyesight returned. And what is surprising, it doesn’t attack. Serega threw his timber and to the fence, I also jumped. They gave themselves a calmer look, got out of the box and had a look, our ranks stomped towards us. Well, full of pants. They also appreciated the losses. Minimum. Shurik Yekhilevsky from Belgorod was nevertheless dragged a star with beautiful rays on his shoulder on his shoulder. the rest is not a trace. They were built in the dining room, they left us a rakhod. Then there was a showdown, but no one knew what kind of group landed on the adjacent one, the commanders put out. We had Lieutenant Colonel Podyachev Alexander Ivanovich, a good uncle, he loved a soldier, he fought .. he called with his daughters. He sees a cigarette butt on the road from the checkpoint and in the ballot box. Part of the excellent did-and the order even received a pre-resignation.
          So it happened. Usually we did not touch the construction battalion. Such a kid will stick out over the fence, and at the mengy 2 post after the Banner of the unit also with cartridges, whispers-military, military, show the machine gun, I'll give you a lighter. This is a brass body and a lighter is built in there. Well, I say, climb. He’s getting down, I’ll unfasten the AKM store, let him hold it, but I’m not fools, I hold the belt with my hand so that I wouldn’t get away. He asks what, why? I’ll tell you, a lighter in your pocket. I ask you why. Says damn in the army I’ll serve, they will ask me automatically, except for scrap and a shovel, I didn’t hold back figs. Here is such an exchange ..
      2. mmaxx
        mmaxx 5 June 2020 16: 57 New
        0
        I will not say about the 71st year. In the 80s nothing was picked up for anyone. They threw it in the face: "On, put it on. It won't fit, you can exchange it with another." Not a single time was different. About the selection of uniforms in size with affection I read only in the charter. And he understood that the charter was invented in order only to get to the bottom of the soldiers. And the bosses were not going to do it.
        At the assembly point, when they were still in civilian life, some kind of underground was broadcasting how to pick up boots. It turned out that the boots have size and fullness. For each size a few completeness. In real life, the issuing shoe wanted to sneeze at.
      3. Free wind
        Free wind 5 June 2020 17: 58 New
        0
        Anything has happened. Overcoat issued 54 size 3 growth, EVERYTHING. On someone the overcoat sat like a coachman's sheepskin coat, and someone flaunted in his greatcoat, as in a fashionable short coat. Then the truth gradually corrected this matter.
        1. Sklendarka
          Sklendarka 5 June 2020 21: 18 New
          -1
          Free wind, well, no need to blow, otherwise it turns out like in that song - ,, the wind blew from the sea, catching up with melancholy ... ''
          Why am I, and friend, that there is a charter: 28/32. Does this figure say anything to you?
          You know, it became a shame for the shinelka ... From the army, in some place it is located in / h ... Grandmother comes up to the soldier and asks
          - son, but is it cold for you in your greatcoat?
          - her mother is sheostoynaya, of course not!
          Is it hot in summer?
          -Well, you give the mother, she is unlined !!
          So, wind blower, no one will ever give out an overcoat `` not according to the charter ''
          the first year, wearing a shinelka is not less than 28 cm from the ground, the second, 32 cm, that is, you could still trim with a boot knife to the width of a soldier's belt ... :-)
          1. nznz
            nznz 5 June 2020 21: 40 New
            0
            I don’t know how to put on the parts, I got into training right away. They gave them overcoats from the reserve, Kalerian to the ground. At the pope, the cut was almost up to the coccyx. They said that it was convenient to sit on the horse. there were hooks on the floors, the question is why, the answer is to hook them on the belt (in front) so as not to interfere. At first, the gymnastics were given to us some strange-braids-small buttons under the throat to be removed over the head. Then they were rightly issued by the tunic on buttons from the throat to the bottom. They explained that those who could tear off clothes under napalm survived quickly in Vietnam. our old tunics while shooting through the head burns were getting straight. in 1972, 10 people were taken to Egypt. Israel then fought with him. They gave out normal boots, not plastic belts made of paper, but leather and PS tunics like those who served in the GSVG. We went to Moscow to see the show, and from there returned to the place of loading from MSC; the Arabs refused to shake our specialists. All things had to be returned.
          2. mmaxx
            mmaxx 6 June 2020 19: 23 New
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            Well, they gave me. 2nd growth. When it was necessary on the 5th or 6th. All inspectors were amazed. The length from the floor was not the same)))))))))))). Only no one did anything. After training, I did not wear it.
            So what. There were all sorts of cases.
      4. ZAV69
        ZAV69 5 June 2020 21: 04 New
        0
        There are only two sizes in the army: large and small. (c) R. Harline
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 5 June 2020 15: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Genry
      But the development of military equipment also affects what is dressed / shod on the legs.

      Exactly.
      laughing
      Just need normal shoes.
      And then there will be no thoughts of "returning to footcloths".
      1. av58
        av58 5 June 2020 16: 05 New
        +1
        à la guerre comme à la guerre :-)
        If tomorrow only kirzachi are at hand, you will have to wear not what you like, but what is better. In boots only footcloths.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 5 June 2020 16: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: av58
          If only kirzachi are at hand tomorrow

          Where do you get them?
          1. cniza
            cniza 5 June 2020 18: 13 New
            +1
            There are still a lot of warehouses ...
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 5 June 2020 18: 24 New
              +2
              Quote: cniza
              There are still a lot of warehouses ...

              Kirzachi is not wine, from time to time they do not get better.
              With high probability, they have already become disposable: one trip in the boots along the dew and the threads will begin to rot.
              1. av58
                av58 5 June 2020 18: 37 New
                +2
                It is unlikely laughing
                Soviet kirzachs are still sold via the Internet, and the quality is quite Soviet, i.e. "no drift".
                1. cniza
                  cniza 5 June 2020 18: 49 New
                  +1
                  If you look after them, they serve for a very long time.
                  1. Sklendarka
                    Sklendarka 5 June 2020 21: 56 New
                    +1
                    You know, the first boots carried a year and eight months !!!
                    In his studies (a separate training communications battalion of the GRU of the General Staff of the USSR Ministry of Defense) he ran, played with a tight ball, then in the `` line '' for more than a year. In principle, all the commands were carried out, "running !!!"
                    Then the guys from VIIII (military institute of foreign languages) drove up the spring trees, they didn’t ...
                    Apparently, each era has its own shoes ...
                    And let's compare P105 with a smartphone (then we would have such a connection ...)
                    1. nznz
                      nznz 7 June 2020 19: 52 New
                      0
                      when we deployed the P 406 three cars and a trailer, we recalled the stories of officers from communications in the countries of the likely enemy. Jeep Amerovsky provided 96 channels. Our three ZIL 157 only 48 channels. As we were told by the railway, the USSR bought a station from the French, and began to set along the roads. The military cut through and took it, Levka-Vienna was called in the documents.
              2. cniza
                cniza 5 June 2020 18: 48 New
                +1
                I myself was surprised, there are more than 3 million pairs of them in warehouses, in perfect condition. yes
                1. nznz
                  nznz 7 June 2020 19: 55 New
                  0
                  did you buy something from the military from the warehouses? I’ve happened, well, little things like containers for temporary storage of fuel or water, such as they are now exchanged for oil spills. The heating pad is huge. The cars looked, they were preserved, but everything is rotten, from the wheels of the wiring. Of course, replacement is cheaper than new, but hemorrhagic and time-consuming. There, only a small percentage was impeccably stored - the rest is not very good. maybe I’m out of luck, I received catalogs from powerful boats to helicopters :)
      2. mmaxx
        mmaxx 5 June 2020 16: 58 New
        +1
        There will be no normal shoes in our army. It's ridiculous to even dream.
      3. mmaxx
        mmaxx 6 June 2020 19: 24 New
        0
        Normal shoes can only be in the store. And only everyone understands it in their own way. This will not happen in our army. I do not believe it. Strongly our soldiers are cheap.
        1. nznz
          nznz 7 June 2020 19: 56 New
          0
          Now the contractors are expensive.
  23. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 5 June 2020 13: 36 New
    0
    The author, there were already a lot of similar articles on VO. Do you know how to reel them yourself?
  24. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 5 June 2020 13: 56 New
    0
    In the summer only footcloths (except weekends), in winter only socks ...
  25. Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin 5 June 2020 14: 18 New
    +3
    It all depends on the shoes. You will perish in a tarpaulin (or yuftiev) boot with a toe. High-quality berets with footcloths are impossible to wear.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 5 June 2020 15: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Oleg Zorin
      High-quality berets with footcloths are impossible to wear.

      ?
      In theory, if really high-quality, easily stretched. True, I have not tried it.

      These low-quality shoes with socks are not friends, there is no inverse relationship.
  26. Charlie
    Charlie 5 June 2020 14: 20 New
    +2
    Better footcloth. Only the boots are soap instead of kirzach. Haha these berets. You lace up for half an hour
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG 5 June 2020 15: 54 New
      +2
      Modern berets, like sports shoes are equipped with (you can buy) Quicklace system. Shoes, pull on the shoelaces, lock and step.
  27. L-39NG
    L-39NG 5 June 2020 15: 43 New
    +4
    Okay, debaters. During WWII, German infantry wore boots and socks. In Stalingrad, of course, they were washed away by what. Paratroopers and other units in socks and boots, the British and American armies in socks and boots on all fronts and in Africa in the sand, and in Indochina in the swamps. It can be seen that industry and supply were working properly.
    Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan exchanged footcloths and boots, if possible and as soon as possible, for sports shoes. I, as I look, the Russian MTR in Syria, too, are not working in boots. And modern berets, I don’t know from what material and what quality recruits in the Russian army receive berets, in modern berets they walk like in sports shoes, they are lightweight, they do not get wet (this is, by designation) and the leg breathes in them. Three pairs of dry socks in a backpack occupy the same place as one pair of footcloths. Of course, footcloths and boots will be cheaper, much cheaper, but this does not mean that they are better. The mistake is the opinion that if someone is used to something, then this is it.
    In any case, long-term use of standard "soldier" boots leads to deformity of the foot, transverse and longitudinal flat feet, inherit problems with the knee joints, hip joints and away we go - pain in the lower back and spine, neck, shoulders.
    1. nznz
      nznz 7 June 2020 20: 06 New
      0
      bro ... I knocked out a tear. As I recall the Saturday shrieks of the day-order, the Company is based on the delivery of VSK standards !!!!
      frost on the skin, passed - I ask, why should I? The answer is to pull along. and I myself handed over running and skiing with difficulty .. I will not forget the boots. and cross 3 km in 12 minutes seems. In the summer, this horror was for me — there weren’t enough breathers, a belt around my neck, a cap in my pocket and barely lead legs rearranging .. akiri boots. Remove (allowed) - then a forest with cones and needles. Could not spit at the finish. Saliva like rubber. A ski with a strap and a rubber strap on the heel-legs in different directions, no one heard about the ski ointment, the return is crazy, the ski in different directions ..
  28. av58
    av58 5 June 2020 16: 02 New
    +2
    In boots only footcloths, otherwise trouble. Thanks to our sergeant Vitka Ermakov, who taught how to wrap them properly.
  29. DeKo
    DeKo 5 June 2020 16: 34 New
    0
    Boots Definitely. Bertsa-socks. I checked on myself
  30. fiberboard
    fiberboard 5 June 2020 16: 36 New
    +1
    What does nostalgia have to do with it? This is just a practice. I personally don’t see a special problem in learning to wind footcloths.
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 June 2020 18: 11 New
      +1
      And it’s always useful in life.
  31. cucun
    cucun 5 June 2020 17: 05 New
    +1
    Bertsa - socks
    Boots - footcloths.
    Boots have another advantage, height. More than once I saw a viper biting his comrades' boots. And not in the jungle, the Baltic states, oh. Saaremaa.
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 June 2020 18: 11 New
      +1
      All right ...
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 6 June 2020 19: 54 New
      0
      And in Latvia, Dobele / 2 reptiles were not measured, but they could not bite the bootleg ...
  32. Undecim
    Undecim 5 June 2020 17: 13 New
    +3
    The article is purely from a propagandist to invoke holivar. Everything has long been clarified. If you use bast shoes or tarpaulin boots as shoes, then they are competitive. However, in the XXI century there is a mass of specialized and very functional shoes in which you can’t put them on. The stories that kirzachi are a miracle shoes for all occasions are exclusively for those who have not seen anything else in life.
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 June 2020 18: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Undecim
      The article is purely from a propagandist to invoke holivar.


      Well, why only a dispute, and if you think about it when you have what you wrote below, of course, socks, and when you find yourself in a situation that there are no normal shoes, even just large ones, footcloths will help ...
    2. nznz
      nznz 7 June 2020 20: 07 New
      0
      right. I've bought sandals and breathing leg and unkillable Salpman ..
  33. infantry76
    infantry76 5 June 2020 17: 27 New
    +1
    Lord comrades!
    For the mobilization reserve (motorized riflemen, tankmen, artillerymen, sappers, etc.), in case of hostilities on a large scale, or rather war, boots with footcloths should be the main footwear. There will be no time to lace up and unlace! Only boots are not made of paper tarpaulin, which were issued from the NZ clothing of the late 50s - early 60s, to the appointees (partisans) at the training camp, together with the OKZK, but from normal material.
    After serving in the army for 34 years in the infantry, tank troops, reconnaissance, etc., I carried both yuft and yale, and tarpaulin, and chrome boots. I remember when OLZabVO (later Siberian Military District) switched to berets, everyone cursed, especially when I had to go out to weekly field classes for training grounds and exercises. It was best in boots with footcloths, field, of course, not chrome. And I don’t remember something about the deformation of the foot in the boots of my subordinate soldiers and sergeants!
    Of course, for specialists, staff, flight personnel and sailors, boots are not needed at all. But for all those who stomp around the mother earth with weapons in their hands - boots with footcloths are just that! IMHO!
    I have the honor! soldier
    1. cniza
      cniza 5 June 2020 18: 06 New
      +1
      Extremely, concretely and competently. hi
    2. Alecsandr
      Alecsandr 7 June 2020 08: 36 New
      0
      Correctly noticed. And do not be lazy to wash your feet more often with cold water at any opportunity. I served in the tank units. It was fashionable to have spare footcloths. You wear some and others must stretch them on occasion and rewind again. Fresh footcloth is nice too. In short, it was strictly monitored so that the footcloth and legs were always as fresh as possible. Old-timers brought order in this matter rigorously and with an iron hand.
  34. Eug
    Eug 5 June 2020 18: 03 New
    +2
    I would venture to pass for a retrograde, but for work on the garden plot for more than a year I have been using a tarpaulin with footcloths. I learned to wind them 35 years ago without any problems at the institute camp before getting an officer rank and did not even make an effort to remember - I put my foot in and somehow wound myself up. It’s easy to carry 4-5 hours without taking off, and digging is generally lovely - not a single shoe could withstand more than 2 months of not very intensive use, merrel bursts very easily. And the sole of the boots (the Soviet version with nail fastening of the sole, not new casting options) has been alive for more than a year! Plus shin protection. So if you skillfully winding footcloths - I am for them. Angry and inexpensive.
    PS In the army I still wore socks in my boots, but on the advice of my senior comrades, I wore a dense cotton in the summer and a woolen winter, on top of it - a thin synthetic one, so that the leg in the boot would pass more easily.
  35. mark2
    mark2 5 June 2020 18: 04 New
    0
    I remembered an episode from the movie "DMB", when Ch. The heroes were winding up foot wraps: in the end, the experienced Bomba coped with the task. We just put the poriyankas in our pockets "(c)
  36. cniza
    cniza 5 June 2020 18: 05 New
    +1
    In modern soldier's boots, which are close to good sports shoes in complexity and convenience, footcloth is hardly appropriate.


    Here is the answer to the question, but there is always a lot but, which is determined by the place, time, conditions and goals for the legs.
  37. bubalik
    bubalik 5 June 2020 18: 11 New
    +1
    ,,, boots, boots what
    The question is, what does the rear service purchase? There are probably no boots in the warehouses. recourse
  38. Normal ok
    Normal ok 5 June 2020 22: 37 New
    -2
    Who else, and I for footcloths that are especially combined with barnyard boots). And if someone remembers, then knowing in advance)) when there will be "alarm" in part, put the footcloth on the boot in the correct way, and then you just jump into the boot along with the footcloth.
    PS. But there is a but. I bought modern soldier's boots for fishing. There is only a sock. And the thing is super. Sew in Ukraine, the price is sane. Better than any caterpillar.
  39. nekromonger
    nekromonger 5 June 2020 23: 55 New
    0
    alle garage, the boot will no longer be (for those who are in the tank)
  40. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 6 June 2020 01: 19 New
    0
    Footcloths are the basis of health. Mom’s sons don’t do anything themselves.
  41. AleBors
    AleBors 6 June 2020 09: 05 New
    +1
    I probably became old .. For long walking activities, still prefer a footcloth. And a tight toe under it. Better x / b. For military events in an urban environment, boots are better than berets, due to the lack of laces. And with boots only footcloths.
  42. garri-lin
    garri-lin 6 June 2020 19: 47 New
    0
    The footcloth is perfectly worn with the usual army boot. And with a tourist too. If your hands are straight and meandering, meandering, and not vice versa, footwear can fit shoes that are not their size. One size no problem. With socks is so hard.
  43. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 7 June 2020 00: 54 New
    +1
    Pure holivarnaya topic for the older and younger generations.)))
    I served in boots (79-81gg). Naturally in footcloths. Socks were sent (woolen rescued in the winter), but all the same footcloths were wound on top, otherwise the sock got off and rubbed his leg.
    At the expense of berets, I can not say anything. It is army berets. Civilian CAT and Timberland wore a lot. If you don’t take it off all day, the sock will fall off.
    What's better? From the standpoint of profitability, simplicity, etc. I would prefer boots and footcloths. March throws ran, many miles and nothing. The only soldier kirzachi is, of course, weights, for the development of thigh and calf muscles. )) When I was demobilized and changed into shoes, I just couldn’t walk, I ran all the time, my legs were carried, smiling at the same time. )))
  44. Vipirozhnikow
    Vipirozhnikow 7 June 2020 14: 24 New
    +1
    I have experience in wearing both footcloths and socks of two types - ordinary and so-called "moisture-wicking".

    I think no one will argue that modern military man's shoes are boots with high berets and not boots. So you can immediately disperse and stop the debate. For berets only socks! But not simple ...

    Let me explain ... He wore footcloths not with boots, but with berets. I do not feel disgust for them, but I see no sense in them either.

    Ordinary socks do not cherish the leg in view of its not too thick thickness. They wear out and get wet quickly.

    Moisture-wicking socks are good for their softness and thickness. The first impressions of them were for me and my comrades as follows: "Like a leg in the hands of an angel who keeps it." I'm not kidding here. We really had these feelings towards them. Two or three pairs of such socks and you can be calm about your feet, their dryness and ease of use.
  45. trahterist
    trahterist 8 June 2020 14: 14 New
    0
    It is enough to read the last paragraph, and you can’t say better.
    A footcloth for everyday service, and in relatively peaceful times, is a terrible anachronism.
    It will fit only in case of a possible armageddon.
    And then you listen to stubborn retrograde, so give cuirasses, shakos, shag, arquebuses, checkers back, horseback riding, riding breeches, let the Germans flaunt in pickelhelms.
    Stop living yesterday!
  46. trahterist
    trahterist 8 June 2020 14: 16 New
    0
    Quote: ViPirozhnikow
    I have experience in wearing both footcloths and socks of two types - ordinary and so-called "moisture-wicking".

    I think no one will argue that modern military man's shoes are boots with high berets and not boots. So you can immediately disperse and stop the debate. For berets only socks! But not simple ...

    Let me explain ... He wore footcloths not with boots, but with berets. I do not feel disgust for them, but I see no sense in them either.

    Ordinary socks do not cherish the leg in view of its not too thick thickness. They wear out and get wet quickly.

    Moisture-wicking socks are good for their softness and thickness. The first impressions of them were for me and my comrades as follows: "Like a leg in the hands of an angel who keeps it." I'm not kidding here. We really had these feelings towards them. Two or three pairs of such socks and you can be calm about your feet, their dryness and ease of use.

    I also had the opportunity, for a very horse price tag, to note, to get a few pairs of NATO super-socks (waterproof / breathable, i.e., waterproof and breathable).
    Really have a rest good
  47. tolancop
    tolancop 8 June 2020 15: 05 New
    0
    “... Footcloths were good for the Red Army, a huge part of whose personnel were natives of rural areas or small villages, trained to reel them correctly from childhood. and simple) ..... "
    Statements are, to say the least, controversial.
    I, a villager, met footcloths only in the army. Kirzachi, however, were their own shoes, but on socks. Incl. About any "from childhood" is out of the question. The sergeant showed in the training how to wind the footcloths one (or 2, I don't remember) times. And that's all. Enough. The order of winding and the absence of folds is the whole secret. And what is the wisdom, I did not understand ..... 2 years walked in kirzachs with footcloths and NEVER !!!! had no scuffs.
    For the sake of fairness, I should note that I saw the "slippers". But how you can manage to get into this category is a mystery to me.
  48. Николаев
    Николаев 9 June 2020 02: 03 New
    0
    I think footcloths. For two years I carried footcloths (in ankle boots), the only thing I can say was that I wore only flannel (linen, they didn't come in). Moreover, in the training, no one was forced, offered "either-or", of course, everyone chose socks. A week later, two-thirds have prickly heat. Already in part, we switched to footcloths. With socks, it is difficult - synthetics are excluded, shoes should be well ventilated, otherwise prickly heat. In Soviet ankle boots, ventilation is purely nominal, therefore, in principle, they do not differ much from boots.
  49. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 9 June 2020 22: 50 New
    0
    The eternal argument. :) Personally, I preferred thin footcloths in summer and flannel (?) Well, in general, winter footcloths over relatively thick socks in winter. But it is my choice. To each his own. Boots again. Could wear and berets, and anything. But he preferred boots. It was quite suited to specific conditions. (I think that in Africa, I would prefer barefoot sandals;))
    1. wachmann
      wachmann 10 June 2020 10: 10 New
      0
      footcloths to crassam, not that. abandoned the boots (well, that's not for sure. the warehouses are clogged with them) -means socks
  50. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 11 June 2020 11: 32 New
    0
    . In modern soldier's boots, which are close to good sports shoes in complexity and convenience, footcloth is hardly appropriate.

    I spent 9 years in "ankle boots" and wore them exclusively with footcloths. They go well together! But in socks, you can mercilessly ditch your legs.