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Only 19 million dollars: the price parameters of the UAV “Okhotnik” alarm competitors

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In Russia, tests of the first prototype of the Hunter heavy attack drone, created under the S-70 program, continue. The other day, as already reported in one of the news materials "Voennoye Obozreniye", the drone was insured for about 1,3 billion rubles. Earlier in open sources there was information that the UAV "Okhotnik" is currently estimated at about 1,5-1,6 billion rubles. We can say that the price of the "Hunter" slightly corrected downward.


The designated price of 1,3 billion rubles suggests that the program itself is being implemented with highly optimized funding. If it is possible to create a heavy strike drone capable of effectively solving combat missions, then this will be a huge success for the Russian aircraft industry. "Hunter" will receive clear competitive advantages in the world market if they intend to define it, including as a drone with export potential.

The price parameters of the "Hunter" alarm competitors. As noted: Russia was able to create a prototype of a heavy strike UAV, quite successfully undergoing flight tests, for only $ 19 million (at the current rate). By the standards of the United States, these are mere pennies. Alertness is that Russia uses far less financial resources to create modern military equipment. And this is to the question of the effectiveness of investments.

Final costs may well increase due to the willingness to implement several important components, including new versions of engines and a flat nozzle. But in any case, these are not the amounts that are used, roughly speaking, to swell into such developments overseas.

What do they ultimately expect from The Hunter?


This is the ability to solve the tasks of destroying enemy ground forces, assets and infrastructure. The Russian UAV has a practical ceiling of 18 thousand meters, which makes it inaccessible, for example, for MANPADS. The most important task that is already being set for a heavy shock drone is interaction with fifth-generation fighters. It was paired with the Su-57 prototype of the "Hunter" has already managed to make a flight.

Ultimately, the Hunter UAV can combine shock and target designation functions. For fifth-generation Russian fighters, which are expected to be in service with the Russian Air Force until the end of 2020, this will be an opportunity to act without entering the enemy’s air defense zone. It is also important for solving a combat mission, and for preserving the combat vehicle itself with the crew.
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  1. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 4 June 2020 10: 49 New
    +7
    Yes, it’s not the price, but simply the amount by which the insurers decided to take a chance. And the price is formed during the sale!
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 4 June 2020 11: 00 New
      12
      If it is possible to create a heavy strike drone capable of effectively solving combat missions, this will be a huge success for the Russian aircraft industry.

      The main thing in this case will be to launch Hunter into serial production as soon as possible.
      For time does not wait.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 4 June 2020 11: 19 New
        15
        The most important task that is already being set for a heavy shock drone is interaction with fifth-generation fighters. It was paired with the Su-57 prototype of the "Hunter" has already managed to make a flight.

        And as soon as the SU-57 with engines of the 2nd stage will learn how to interact with strike UAVs - the SU-57 will become a 6th generation fighter.
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 4 June 2020 11: 20 New
        +8
        What do they ultimately expect from The Hunter?

        This is the ability to solve the tasks of destroying enemy ground forces, assets and infrastructure. The Russian UAV has a practical ceiling of 18 thousand meters, which makes it inaccessible, for example, for MANPADS. The most important task that is already being set for a heavy shock drone is interaction with fifth-generation fighters. It was paired with the Su-57 prototype of the "Hunter" has already managed to make a flight.


        It would not be a bad thing to "add plus signs" to the avionics configuration of fighters / bombers with the "++" prefix, so that a promising strike UAV could interact not only with aircraft of the fifth, but also with machines of the previous generation ...
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 4 June 2020 12: 39 New
          -36
          And to still interact with wireless liposakatochny machines)
          1. Dart
            Dart 4 June 2020 16: 51 New
            +7
            Korezhit ?! ..... laughing
            Are you sick ?! ... (© "Brother 2")
            1. smart ass
              smart ass 4 June 2020 18: 14 New
              -15
              I'm fine, do not worry)
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            1. smart ass
              smart ass 4 June 2020 23: 03 New
              -8
              Ahaha))) poor Ukrainians and they got it)
          3. Archon
            Archon 4 June 2020 20: 34 New
            0
            here with humor is not so simple)
        2. Phoenix
          Phoenix 4 June 2020 13: 13 New
          0
          Avionics SU-35 is close to SU-57 in capabilities, this option is quite real!
        3. VO3A
          VO3A 4 June 2020 13: 15 New
          -6
          This is the ability to solve the tasks of destroying enemy ground forces, assets and infrastructure.

          We have many tools to solve such problems! The hunter is one more! And who, besides special forces, can detect these objects and transmit their coordinates in real time .... We do not have intelligence tools to create an information field in real time without the participation of people in the combat zone .... I emphasize in real time ... .And if the enemy’s coordinates are there, then there are no problems in destroying him .. Our army is blind and deaf in this regard, and here are the booming dances about the strike and not reconnaissance UAVs with a funny combat radius of about 2000 km? And it is not clear with what stuffing ....
        4. VO3A
          VO3A 4 June 2020 13: 23 New
          0
          The most important task that is already being set for a heavy shock drone is interaction with fifth-generation fighters. It was paired with the Su-57 prototype of the "Hunter" has already managed to make a flight.

          Who invented this nonsense?
          It is necessary to ensure that the strike UAV is connected with a conventional reconnaissance UAV in real time under the control of the operator .... And the time for mowing an unobtrusive strike UAV should be longer .... Only in this case its use is justified when other means (primarily ground-based) lacking or very expensive ...
          Let these clever men even create a bunch of small UAVs with the Coalition in real time and introduce this UAV into artillery units ....
          It is ridiculous to read these conclusions ....
          1. Letun
            Letun 4 June 2020 14: 53 New
            -3
            Quote: VO3A
            It is ridiculous to read these conclusions ....

            And I laughed at the conclusions that it turns out that we have effective investments, but overseas, money is "thrown in" in such developments
          2. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 4 June 2020 14: 54 New
            +9
            Good time, Andrei. I will not hit my chest with a heel, BUT !! Judging by the video from Syria, all videos of strikes against militants are filmed live from reconnaissance drones. So, maybe not everything is running like that?
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            2. Aag
              Aag 4 June 2020 17: 58 New
              +2
              Quote: zadorin1974
              Good time, Andrei. I will not hit my chest with a heel, BUT !! Judging by the video from Syria, all videos of strikes against militants are filmed live from reconnaissance drones. So, maybe not everything is running like that?

              I would also like to believe it. But, perhaps, it is worth considering that in the situation you indicated there was no adequate counteraction to air defense.
              1. zadorin1974
                zadorin1974 4 June 2020 18: 07 New
                +2
                Good Alexander. So I don’t insist, I just wrote that I noticed. But there is also a small nuance here - the global use of UAVs against modern, layered air defense was also not there. And everyone had jambs.
          3. smart ass
            smart ass 4 June 2020 18: 16 New
            -13
            This is flying soo cool 57 and with it a swarm of hunters III ??? !! For what? Who will manage them ??? Second pilot? And if there are 5 hunters ???? Haaaa
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            2. boss
              boss 5 June 2020 00: 54 New
              -1
              Haaaa!
              How can they be controlled if there are a lot of them, and there are only two hands for joysticks, right?)
              Uncle, he needs to set tasks, not manage!
              AI, this is artificial intelligence, just in case.
              At least 20 of them, if you stick to su57 will be possible, count up ?!
              Like themselves and missiles and scouts.
              )))
          4. Orca
            Orca 5 June 2020 05: 17 New
            0
            "Who invented this nonsense?" (C)
            And what exactly is nonsense? In Russian it is written - "... in tandem with the Su-57 the prototype of the" Hunter "has already managed to fly." (C)
            "Pupil" only flew (1 time!) Together with SU-57, having completed the simplest task - to fly together with the host. Everything that you have listed is not needed for this. He learns to fly "in pair", and then it will be possible to load this wunderwaffe with other tasks, including combat in a pair, truet, quartet with the rest of the ballet participants. wink
          5. bocman grek
            bocman grek 5 June 2020 13: 33 New
            0
            Great Rat. Idea
      3. Hagen
        Hagen 4 June 2020 11: 31 New
        10
        Quote: Tatiana
        The main thing in this case will be to launch Hunter into serial production as soon as possible. For time is running out.

        What happened today? Or maybe at a normal, not a fire, pace to bring it to the "mind"? Conduct tests, identify "weaknesses" and "dampness", eliminate them in pre-production copies, and only then put the honed product into series? There is no need to deliberately drag out the deadline, but haste is usually harmful, especially in a high-tech product. These are not elite fitness dumbbells. Completing and adjusting serial samples during operation is a very expensive pleasure. And in this project, not only a specific product is "sharpened", it is here that the technologies of construction and the use of a whole type of aviation technology, which we did not have before, are being tested here.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 4 June 2020 11: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: Hagen
          Conduct tests, identify "weaknesses" and "dampness", eliminate them in pre-production copies, and only then put the honed product into series?

          And mass production without preliminary EXPERIENCE small-scale production in the military-industrial complex does not happen in principle!
          I worked in the military-industrial complex - and I know that well.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 4 June 2020 12: 06 New
            +3
            Quote: Tatiana
            I worked in the military-industrial complex - and I know that well.

            This is not a reason for hasty action. wink Before the trial operation, the factory and state tests mentioned by me pass.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 4 June 2020 12: 12 New
              -4
              Quote: Hagen
              Quote: Tatiana
              I worked in the military-industrial complex - and I know that well.

              This is not a reason for hasty action. wink

              And who told you about the hasty actions?
              You just need to make the development a priority, without wasting time, to attract more manufacturers, class specialists and material resources! And tight control!
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 4 June 2020 12: 20 New
                +3
                Quote: Tatiana
                You just need to make development a priority

                Do you have reason to believe that this development is carried out on a residual basis?
                1. Oleg Zorin
                  Oleg Zorin 4 June 2020 17: 26 New
                  +1
                  There are no special reasons, but something needs to be written. And, preferably, obviously positive. Miss Evidence.
              2. NEXUS
                NEXUS 4 June 2020 12: 32 New
                -3
                Quote: Tatiana
                You just need to make development a priority - without wasting time

                Yes? And updating the fleet, for example (by the way nifiga is not cheap), what direction should be done? Or, for example, updating the armored component? Or maybe the priority is the topic of electronic warfare?
                And for all this, a lot of money is needed, which, thanks to uncles with hairy raking arms, doesn’t turn out to be so much for us. Therefore, we have to cut back somewhere, save something, etc. Everything now and immediately does not work.
                A very illustrative example is a fighter couple. How much fighter do we already plan before the series? But the horse didn’t even wallow in the subject of a light fighter, because two such projects are very expensive for our economy, and there are also PAK DA, PAK TA, PAK DP and td And all this needs a lot of wooden raccoons.
          2. Oleg Zorin
            Oleg Zorin 4 June 2020 17: 28 New
            +3
            Last time you were connected with pedagogy and psychology. Moreover, from your words, the questions were known not by hearsay. I bow to your versatility.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 4 June 2020 17: 45 New
              +1
              I have two degrees.
              Basic technical - mechanical engineer-designer-researcher.
              The second is economic - manager of financial, economic and administrative divisions in the department of "entrepreneurial and commercial activity".
              Further education is a specialist in personnel services.
              Pedagogical and psychological education in the framework of graduate school in the first basic education.
              Prior to the first higher education, she had a secondary technical education as a radio engineering designer in aircraft instrument manufacturing.

              Absolutely all education came in handy in my life.
          3. DominickS
            DominickS 4 June 2020 19: 47 New
            0
            Usually first make prototypes, according to the design specifications. They carry out factory and state tests, in agreement with the MO and the manufacturer. Then, according to the test results, prototypes are made, with the improvements considered, TU is approved, then the product is assigned an index and it goes into series. This is an approximate order, as far as I remember. Maybe he is a little different.
            Each serial sample (or its units) is still individually tested, according to TU and / or OTU.
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 4 June 2020 12: 07 New
        -4
        Quote: Tatiana
        The main thing in this case will be to launch Hunter into serial production as soon as possible.
        For time does not wait.

        Heard a saying, hurry up, make people laugh.
        Design miscalculations at the design stage, debugging, and tuning, in the future, in the serial version will come out with wild hemorrhoids, which will result in billions of our money. And not the fact that they will eliminate it.
        Therefore, the VKS does not need a lame duck, but a working, combat-capable drone capable of solving the tasks for which it is created. To do this, do not rush, for the Hunter is the founder of unmanned combat aircraft in fact in the Russian Federation. On developments on it, in the future, subsequent heavy shock UAVs will be created.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 4 June 2020 12: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          Design miscalculations at the design stage, debugging, and tuning, in the future, in the serial version will come out with wild hemorrhoids, which will result in billions of our money. And not the fact that they will eliminate it.

          Yes, I know all this!
          When in Soviet times I was in student practice at one aviation research institute, we had a case - the head of the design department, because of defects, hanged himself at work in his office! Because then the test pilot during the test of the plane crashed and died. But the plane was still brought to mind as soon as possible. So it was necessary. There was no time to pickle.
      5. Borodai
        Borodai 4 June 2020 15: 15 New
        -3
        Quote: Tatiana
        If it is possible to create a heavy strike drone capable of effectively solving combat missions, this will be a huge success for the Russian aircraft industry.

        The main thing in this case will be to launch Hunter into serial production as soon as possible.
        For time does not wait.

        It goes, but that's what worries our clever Tatyana .. There are fakes about our "Hunter" .. Seeing a good UAV turned out! Well, God forbid ...
        What pleases that there are no special TTXs on the network .. Everything is quietly preparing, you can see a serious device hi
      6. Oleg Zorin
        Oleg Zorin 4 June 2020 17: 24 New
        +3
        A very deep thought ...
      7. Voyager
        Voyager 4 June 2020 20: 13 New
        0
        This will not happen quickly, because contrary to the mistaken opinion, this S-70 is not even a prototype, but a technology demonstrator.
      8. avg avg
        avg avg 5 June 2020 05: 09 New
        0
        And why time does not wait? Is it tomorrow a war, tomorrow a campaign? Did I miss something?
      9. bocman grek
        bocman grek 5 June 2020 13: 30 New
        +1
        Yeah.)
        After 30gg, just wait - 5 pieces will be made and they will switch to a new drone.
        Already passed.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 5 June 2020 13: 48 New
          0
          Quote: bocman grek
          Yeah.)
          After 30gg, just wait - 5 pieces will be made and they will switch to a new drone.
          Already passed.

          Here I am about the same.
          Meanwhile, Turkey in Syria and Libya is strong on the battlefields with its drones now.
          That is why time does not wait for Russia.
    2. Valery Valery
      Valery Valery 4 June 2020 11: 20 New
      0
      Really will cost even less!
    3. Civil
      Civil 4 June 2020 11: 39 New
      -1
      We are waiting in the troops in serial numbers.
      1. Borodai
        Borodai 4 June 2020 15: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Civil
        We are waiting in the troops in serial numbers.

        Well, it's probably not for general use. Little thing is expensive!
        Closer to the strategists .. soldier
    4. malyvalv
      malyvalv 4 June 2020 16: 05 New
      +1
      This is still likely the price. Rather, the cost of production. Since in case of an accident the device is lost but the development results remain. But with sales, the price will be different since design costs will be included.
    5. free_flier
      free_flier 6 June 2020 00: 06 New
      0
      Cost and sales value (price) ...
  2. smart ass
    smart ass 4 June 2020 10: 49 New
    -29
    Well, Th nails and electrical tape are inexpensive!)))
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 4 June 2020 10: 56 New
      -9
      in the United States and expensive nails.
      always exported at the end of prices 3-4; we’ll earn money, but our own will stop for a moment29-31, Su 45
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 4 June 2020 13: 19 New
      -2
      But fu 35 dofiga is, but in fact, the same "commander" is expensive, capricious and in fact just a flying platform with weapons is no better than a drone.
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 4 June 2020 14: 18 New
        -4
        Uvas piloting experience f35 great you should believe
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 4 June 2020 10: 53 New
    +7
    If the ruble is still 2 times lower, the price will drop further.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 4 June 2020 11: 10 New
      0
      Are you right and what? Are you very interested in the dollar? A low rate is beneficial to Russia, so you have to rejoice, to certain limits, of course. You, as I understand it, from the bulk?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 4 June 2020 11: 11 New
        -4
        Not anymore. I managed to buy a car in the old course. And so everyone cares. You cry when the products become more expensive and manufactured goods. China, for example, do not care.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 4 June 2020 11: 12 New
          0
          Congratulations, although cars seem to be selling for rubles.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 4 June 2020 11: 13 New
            +1
            Well + 300t.r. or 400 tr Of course, the difference is small for the oligarch.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 4 June 2020 11: 20 New
              +5
              Quote: Zaurbek
              + 300t.r. or 400 tr Of course, the difference is small for the oligarch.

              The oligarchs were very offended at your words.
            2. avg avg
              avg avg 5 June 2020 05: 12 New
              0
              Oligarchs don't buy such cars. This is only for "successful managers" and people with "good faces".
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 5 June 2020 06: 08 New
                0
                But for them, this difference is important ...
      2. Far B
        Far B 4 June 2020 11: 40 New
        -5
        Low rate beneficial to Russia? Seriously? Following such perverted logic, the 90s were the most profitable for the country, when the ruble generally dangled somewhere below the waterline.
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 4 June 2020 11: 52 New
          0
          For the country, and not for each citizen individually. That's a big difference
          1. Far B
            Far B 4 June 2020 12: 09 New
            +1
            And if you didn’t notice, I wrote - for the country, and not for the citizens of the country. It is necessary to read carefully. In general, they are trying to justify every collapse of the ruble exchange rate with this argument. Tired, chesslovo. Whereas for export, it is primarily beneficial to reduce the cost of production, because it is long-term. And to seek profit in the depreciation of one's own currency means to sign in one's own impotence. Trying to make a good face with a bad game, nothing but.
            1. Mitroha
              Mitroha 4 June 2020 13: 38 New
              -3
              Quote: Far In
              Whereas for export, it is primarily beneficial to reduce the cost of production

              A low exchange rate of its own currency is beneficial for export.
              How can you reduce the cost of production? Due to the salaries of workers? Due to social guarantees at work? Or a change in product quality for the worse?
              1. Far B
                Far B 4 June 2020 13: 46 New
                0
                Automation, introduction of new technologies, etc. Reduction of the staff of accountants and security guards, bringing to a decent amount of salaries of "effective managers". You can continue for a long time. But the notorious 25 million high-tech jobs and other goodies remained exclusively in the language of Putin and his accomplices.
            2. MMX
              MMX 4 June 2020 18: 57 New
              0
              Quote: Far In
              And if you didn’t notice, I wrote - for the country, and not for the citizens of the country. It is necessary to read carefully. In general, they are trying to justify every collapse of the ruble exchange rate with this argument. Tired, chesslovo. Whereas for export, it is primarily beneficial to reduce the cost of production, because it is long-term. And to seek profit in the depreciation of one's own currency means to sign in one's own impotence. Trying to make a good face with a bad game, nothing but.


              Yes, there is a low rate for the state. Read why the renminbi is artificially underestimating the PRC?
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 4 June 2020 16: 25 New
            +2
            For all exports, this is beneficial .... only our exports are raw materials and in rubles - wages, health and the environment. This part devalues ​​the leadership. If we exported an MSS or MS and their price in $ depended on the exchange rate, we would receive additional profit. That would be good.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 4 June 2020 15: 05 New
          +3
          It is beneficial primarily to exporters, but to importers it is not profitable.
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 4 June 2020 13: 25 New
        -1
        He doesn’t give a damn about Russia, man’s stomach lol
      4. mitrich
        mitrich 4 June 2020 14: 29 New
        -2
        Viktor Sergeyev, are you from the Kremlin boats? Only everywhere you cheer and hang labels on, in the least degree, disagreeing with your position?
        1. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 4 June 2020 19: 42 New
          +1
          To name all those who disagree with "to destroy the country, to throw off the power and come what may" kremlebots this is
          hanging labels
          the most obvious.
      5. Aag
        Aag 4 June 2020 18: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        Are you right and what? Are you very interested in the dollar? A low rate is beneficial to Russia, so you have to rejoice, to certain limits, of course. You, as I understand it, from the bulk?

        Why are you so categorical? In your opinion, all those who are not satisfied with the current state of affairs (in this case, the military-industrial complex) are in bulk?
  4. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 4 June 2020 10: 56 New
    +6
    There are a lot of prospects for combat use of this aviation complex ... in addition to directly striking with various weapons ... these are electronic warfare (electronic countermeasures, suppression, camouflage, etc.) with a massive use of aircraft against the enemy ... intelligence in the broad sense of the word (and 18 000 meters of ceiling is very important) ... the possible use of covering sea communications during operations from the shore ... and other and other necessary equipment ... and of course pleases with an attractive price ...
    1. Slon1978
      Slon1978 4 June 2020 13: 08 New
      +1
      Unfortunately, I do not share your enthusiasm and opinion in general. As a scout, the S-70 is not needed - today reconnaissance is carried out from satellites and AWACS aircraft, the main characteristic of which is the ability to stay in the air for a long time and carry heavy radars on board. I don’t see the S-70 as a bomber either - it will certainly be able to lift more combat load and transport it further than a light turboprop drone, but isn’t it easier to destroy such a target with a tactical missile from the ground or launch from a long-range Tu-22 bomber? To act like a fighter, artificial intelligence is needed - for target selection, attack and defense tactics, recognition of friend or foe in an actively changing environment, circular sensors. As I understand it, no one has such a system, not to mention the introduction of such a system into a drone. So what is the S-70 for? I believe that we need light, tactical turboprop drones, in large quantities, which are not a pity to lose. And the loss of the S-70 is comparable in "hype" with the loss of a fighter, not to mention the loss of secrecy of valuable technologies and a blow to the image. The drone should be a consumable, the loss of which the press will not pay much attention to. Particularly pleased with the passage in the article about the invulnerability of the S-70 from MANPADS due to the ceiling of 18 km. But from MANPADS is also invulnerable and a cheap screw drone flying at an altitude of 4,5 km ...
      1. Slon1978
        Slon1978 4 June 2020 13: 14 New
        +1
        I repeat - if there is an important target in the depths of the enemy’s territory, then now there is something to reliably destroy — tactical missiles launched from the ground or from a bomber without entering the air defense zone (the radius of some modifications of the Caliber is up to 2,5 thousand km) or the ship. To work on the battlefield you need a cheap turboprop drone - consumables. So what is the S-70, its function for?
        1. Slon1978
          Slon1978 4 June 2020 15: 19 New
          0
          There is certainly a positive development in the S-70 development - for the first time in our history, our designers were able to create an aircraft according to the flying wing scheme, which is a very complicated scheme to control and stabilize. And not just an aircraft, but a jet propelled drone. These developments will find application in other projects, that's for sure, but I don’t see any unique combat niche in the S-70.
      2. silberwolf88
        silberwolf88 4 June 2020 23: 28 New
        +3
        your knowledge of reconnaissance from a satellite was very impressive for Pts))) ... maybe explain why during the US war with Iraq not a single SCAD was detected by satellites and destroyed during preparation for launch ... for reference ... SCAD rolls to the start the position and preparation for launch takes 1 hour 45 minutes if the calculation works like clockwork ...
        In order to see something, the satellite needs to know where to look ... and the enemy is not sitting in place ... then transmitting through the relay and decrypting the signal ... then issuing target designation ... well, it's not that all AWACS on the ground do not work very well )) ... so your knowledge of the subject is also knowledge so-so ... and the rest is also by ... just type laziness
        You better write about potatoes
        1. Slon1978
          Slon1978 5 June 2020 17: 51 New
          0
          Reconnaissance from a satellite has weather restrictions, it is a fact, AWACS aircraft work very well on the ground - reconnaissance of targets in Syria for our aviation is carried out to a large extent by AWACS aircraft. Rarely, any movement or preparation of an operation is complete without radio exchange; armored vehicles are best detected from the air by radar. There is no better way to detect armored vehicles than airborne radar. Didn't you know that? This type of reconnaissance, of course, also has limitations, but is very effective. It is complemented by tactical scouts of the Orlan-10 type. Reconnaissance is a complex product, in some cases even ground reconnaissance is still required. By the way, I take my words back to the account of the prospects of the S-70 as an air superiority fighter - it is not suitable for maneuverable combat, super-maneuverability on the flying wing scheme is almost impossible to implement. In the current reality of hostilities, there are hardly more than 1-2 scenarios where the S-70 can actually be more effective than existing systems, primarily in terms of cost-effectiveness. I am not an indiscriminate critic and I admit that technologically the S-70 is a very good result, it shows the level of design work in Russia and the development of new technologies for us, but there is no place for it in the troops. If not right, then I would be grateful if you reasonably, in detail, give me at least the mentioned 1-2 scenarios where the S-70 will be irreplaceable. But I think it’s unlikely to master, you seem to be from leavened ... And the argument "to print laziness", let's be honest, only says that in essence you have nothing to argue.
          1. silberwolf88
            silberwolf88 6 June 2020 00: 20 New
            +1
            hear a specialist ... satellites are a whole technology ... working well on static objects when a place is known ... and it's not about the weather (optical reconnaissance satellites like Kihou 11) it's about the whole complex of space reconnaissance equipment (radio, radio-technical, optical, geomagnetic and much more has been realized) ... and this is generally not online today (information processing, depending on the resolution, takes from one to five days (factors: density of the orbital group over the area of ​​operation, low-orbit devices hang over the area for 10 -20 min ... the flight path is a sinusoid in projection onto the Earth’s geoid ... how many of them are allocated ??? for the task ... optoelectronic is usually at the geostationary station ... radio engineering can be highly orbital, but then it all depends on the inclination and orbit parameters and even few of them are usually in a group) ... then all the info merges into control points either when flying over that in the radio visibility zone ... or via a satellite repeater ... then the process of processing and decoding ... then analysis ... making a decision ... issuing target designation ... this is so in general for dummies ...
            and aviation and drones are all in real time (like our hero of the article) ... AWACS generally in combat use about the air situation ... the closer to the ground the higher the level of interference and dead zones due to terrain features .. . the underlying surface and other factors (radio absorption is different for example) ... you can think about my professionalism there ... just me and on and on ... on the A-50 and in the first and second worked out the principles of application with colleagues of GOU ... so Mr. Zion is all past and not interesting ... well, you don’t get into the topic of arguing with you ... you don’t need noise ... think about agriculture ... about the peculiarities of growing Bulba for example. ..
            1. Slon1978
              Slon1978 6 June 2020 02: 02 New
              +1
              Why did I need this educational program about satellite intelligence? Did I ask or argue for something contradictory? I asked you to give 1-2 real scenarios for using S-70 in any field where it would be really indispensable and more effective than existing systems. I asked already 2 times, you did not answer, but chose to write an opus about satellites containing nothing new. I will omit your taunts about agriculture and the distortion of my nickname - I understand that you are angry and why) It is always more convenient to answer your question than the asked one - this is a well-known discussion technique. The answer to my question will be?
              1. silberwolf88
                silberwolf88 6 June 2020 12: 28 New
                0
                you are just a cheap manipulator ... juggling and speculation ... like getting angry there or not answering))) ... a person rushes to make excuses (well, like Americans and Britons make stuffing with accusations) ... about insults ... well this level of relationship is too personal ... you are clearly not from my circle ...
                Now on the case ... educational program about satellites and the use of AWACS caused by your incompetent notes sofa analytega ... for dummies it is useful ... you can apply this knowledge in conversations with outsiders ...
                about uniqueness, for example ... 1. reconnaissance by a drone having stealth characteristics (an advantage over those who are better seen) ... 2. work on sea targets from the coast while protecting communications and eliminating enemy transfer (stealth and lack of crew) ... 3. the ability to work accompanied by SU-57 (there is such a hypothesis, this possibility is being actively developed by designers) and this is simply an increase in the effectiveness of the application due to the synergy of two aircraft systems ... and when hovering / tracking the A-50 (and in the future, the A-100) in general, a very serious threat to a potential enemy ...
                for sim everything is turning up the branch due to complete unproductiveness and boring things from banalities ...
                1. Slon1978
                  Slon1978 6 June 2020 13: 49 New
                  0
                  I did not ask about the capabilities of the S-70. And he asked specifically - what can he do better or cheaper than existing systems? The S-400, for example, has the ability to shoot at ground targets, but this can be compared to shooting a golden shot at sparrows. I am not interested in the ordinary capabilities of the S-70, it will probably even be able to work as an attack aircraft in theory - but why? Your "protection of sea communications" - what kind of heresy and nonsense? To protect communications, a drone should hang in the air for 12-24 hours, with a cheap cost of an hour of flight, an economical engine, giving target designation to a coastal missile system or Su-24/34. What does the S-70 have to do with it? Reconnaissance of ground targets? OK. There is a tactical drone Orlan-10 with a range of up to 600 km, it costs a penny. Are you going to reconnoitre a tank column behind enemy lines using the C-70 at a LONGER range? So he will fly there autonomously - almost blindly and he will be shot down, tk. his invisibility is only in certain angles and even then - not zero. Orlan-10 will also be shot down, but it is not a pity for him. You are a demagogue, I don't want to comment on your delirium further, good luck.
                  1. silberwolf88
                    silberwolf88 6 June 2020 17: 26 New
                    0
                    you are banal ... even in your accusations ... deal with potatoes ...
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 June 2020 10: 58 New
    +6
    If "Hunter" justifies the functions assigned to it, the money invested in it will also be justified. Ultimately, the life of a person / pilot / is more expensive than iron.
  6. svp67
    svp67 4 June 2020 11: 05 New
    +4
    The Russian UAV has a practical ceiling of 18 thousand meters, which makes it inaccessible, for example, for MANPADS.
    And for many more powerful air defense systems, this is a significant height ...
  7. Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 4 June 2020 11: 06 New
    -7
    An article could be written without hesitation at all:
    The West is in a panic at the startlingly low price of a Russian super drone
    Sailors of the entire US Navy filed dismissal reports when they found out ...
    In general, as I have already said before, the price, taking into account that we are only talking about insurance, and the depreciation of the ruble (which makes Russian products more competitive on the world market) play against competitors' products. The hunter is only passing tests and it is not clear whether it will be exported, especially since it is a pair of S-70 / Su-57, so for export you also need to sell Su-57.
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  9. chenderoni
    chenderoni 4 June 2020 11: 18 New
    +1
    I guess they want to break
  10. Break through
    Break through 4 June 2020 11: 38 New
    -4
    No need to sell it. First, the troops everywhere fill them.
  11. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 4 June 2020 11: 43 New
    -4
    Quote: Sahalinets
    Yes, it’s not the price, but simply the amount by which the insurers decided to take a chance. And the price is formed during the sale!

    In the conditions of PRIVATE production, it is necessary to add. When the pockets of the buyer and seller are different.
    When one pocket is a budget, the concept of "PRICE" becomes virtual. The state sells, the state buys. Will you become richer or poorer by shifting a wad of rubles from one jacket pocket to another?
  12. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 4 June 2020 11: 48 New
    -4
    Quote: Carnifexx
    An article could be written without hesitation at all:
    The West is in a panic at the startlingly low price of a Russian super drone
    Sailors of the entire US Navy filed dismissal reports when they found out ...
    In general, as I have already said before, the price, taking into account that we are only talking about insurance, and the depreciation of the ruble (which makes Russian products more competitive on the world market) play against competitors' products. The hunter is only passing tests and it is not clear whether it will be exported, especially since it is a pair of S-70 / Su-57, so for export you also need to sell Su-57.

    And what, it is possible to calculate the cost only by setting the export price, for example, in contracts with India? This figure is already at the pilot production stage. And profit ... A first grader can add these two numbers.
    Linking in a couple (cluster) the properties of several products, in the amount that exceed the properties of individual ones, is a good marketing move. What makes me buy not separately the SU-57, and separately the SU-70, but together.
  13. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 4 June 2020 11: 55 New
    -3
    artificial intelligence has not yet worked out on cars ... happen due to his fault accident ..
    .consequences in aviation can be much more serious ...
    first, a person is freed from physical labor through the automation of production ... now they want to free him and from the need to think ...
    is it good? ... is it right? ... what remains for us to do - just eat and sleep? ...
    1. Aag
      Aag 4 June 2020 18: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Pvi1206
      artificial intelligence has not yet worked out on cars ... happen due to his fault accident ..
      .consequences in aviation can be much more serious ...
      first, a person is freed from physical labor through the automation of production ... now they want to free him and from the need to think ...
      is it good? ... is it right? ... what remains for us to do - just eat and sleep? ...

      The question is good, but, in my opinion, premature (far from AI), and, perhaps, inappropriate in this context at VO ... to you philosophers, epistemologists ... hi
  14. Mister who
    Mister who 4 June 2020 12: 22 New
    0
    Well done! You can only rejoice.
  15. Errr
    Errr 4 June 2020 13: 15 New
    +3
    From the article:
    The Russian UAV has a practical ceiling of 18 thousand meters, which makes it inaccessible, for example, for MANPADS.
    If "for example, for MANPADS", then 18 thousand meters is a clear overkill. Here you can stop worrying already at 5 km altitude. smile
  16. Voltsky
    Voltsky 4 June 2020 13: 20 New
    -5
    including new versions of engines and flat nozzle

    this is some kind of sectarianism, you explain to me what is the significant superiority of this nonsense!?
    1. bars1
      bars1 4 June 2020 18: 12 New
      -1
      Quote: Voletsky
      you explain to me what is the significant superiority of this nonsense!?

      Reduced radar visibility. Although there is a loss of thrust at a flat nozzle, compared with axisymmetric, but for an impact aircraft, which is Hunter, stealth prevails over speed
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 4 June 2020 18: 14 New
        -1
        I'm in the know, thanks ...
        What is its superiority over the gear nozzle which is permissible on i.30 and f-35
        when there is possible an all-round deviation of the draft, without loss of efficiency but with a decrease in visibility in the IR range; but about the fact that a flat nozzle greatly reduces the EPR, this grandma said for two

  17. opus
    opus 4 June 2020 13: 23 New
    -1
    Quote: author
    The Russian UAV has a practical ceiling of 18 thousand meters, which makes it inaccessible, for example, for MANPADS.

    good
    On February 3, 2018, the Su-25 (RF-95486/06 Goluboy) has a practical ceiling for LTH: 10000 m = Shot down by militants of the SSA from MANPADS in Idlib province
    November 3, 2016 Mi-35M Destroyed by fighters from ATGMs in the province of Homs has a dynamic ceiling for LTH: 5100-5400 m / static 3000 with copecks = SIT by fighters from ATGMs belay

    There is no direct connection between the "ceilings" and the height of target destruction from MANPADS.

    as well as there is no connection between the COSTS OF CREATION of the UAV "Hunter" and insurance coverage for a specific aircraft that flies.
    This statement
    Quote: author
    The price parameters of the "Hunter" alarm competitors. As noted: Russia was able to create a prototype heavy shock UAV, quite successfully passing flight tests, for only 19 million dollars (at the current rate).

    rave.
    Moreover, according to the "new rate"

    1. In October 2012 years a tender for development work (OKR) UAV weighing up to 1 ton St. Petersburg company Transas, the developer of marine and aviation navigation systems, won. The amount of budget funding - about 2 billion rubles. Then the competition for research work (R&D) 1 billion rubles for the creation of UAVs weighing 5 tons OKB Sokol Kazan enterprise won.
    The dollar exchange rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation in 2012 amounted to 29.8033 rubles
    We can safely say that the development
    Orion was NOT LESS = 67 115 000 US dollars
    Altair was NOT LESS THAN = 34 US dollars
    Why carry nonsense about
    Quote: author
    As noted: Russia was able to create a prototype heavy impact UAV, for only 19 million dollars (at the current rate).

    fool
    2. Development of the UAV "Okhotnik" is carried out by order of the Russian Ministry of Defense with 2012 years
    There were slurred rumors about 7 billion rubles.
    T.O. we can safely say that the development
    "Hunter" was at least = USD 235
    235-250 million worthy dollars of 2012 I note.
    and the fact that the prototype was insured for 19 million dollars of sample 2020 - has nothing to do with the cost of development
    The MQ-1A Predator development cost $ 31,7 million (in 1994), and the cost of sales was about $ 7,0 million.
    / $ 64 million for the tactical link of their 4 + management complex /
    MQ-9 Reaper unit cost 16,9 million US dollars, development cost more than a billion
    August 2018and Boeing announced a contract with the US Navyand the development of tanker drones for $ 805 million.
    1. tolmachiev51
      tolmachiev51 5 June 2020 03: 51 New
      0
      Problem !!! - have not yet learned how to separate flies from cutlets !!!
    2. bocman grek
      bocman grek 5 June 2020 13: 48 New
      +1
      Perfectly laid out on shelves.
  18. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 4 June 2020 13: 36 New
    0
    It's not about the price, but about the REAL interest of our MO to get such a device. As the song says: ".... we will not stand for the price." The worst thing for the military-industrial complex is when they create not a weapon, but a GOODS FOR SALE. It is in this case that it makes sense to describe the cost first, and only then the possibilities.
  19. Bez 310
    Bez 310 4 June 2020 14: 11 New
    -8
    Another nonsense about a non-existent UAV.
    And the words about the joint flight with the plane,
    which still needs to be completed, and which
    generally not in the army - the top of madness.
    I am delighted!
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 5 June 2020 04: 23 New
      +1
      Of course, of course, the engineers of Sukhoi are insane, and you, a lamp, understand everything alone. The troll is unhappy.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 5 June 2020 07: 48 New
        0
        Engineers are always great, they do the job.
        And the madmen are those who believe in the PR news of the Moscow Region.
        But MO has no other news ...
  20. mitrich
    mitrich 4 June 2020 14: 22 New
    +1
    Of course, you need to change the nozzles to flat on the Hunter to improve stealth. If he perform the functions of reconnaissance and target designation. A spinning top, as our drying can and he does not need. And it will not be possible, as I think, the operator, unlike the pilot, from this option to squeeze out the potential laid down in it.
  21. +5
    +5 4 June 2020 14: 26 New
    0
    1,3 lard ??? And this is nothing that the Su-30SM used to buy 1,5 before, the Su-34 2, and the Su-35S 2,5? Let prices rise today or tomorrow.
    This is a type of "underdevelopment" chtol? What does it have to do with the bucks ... a heavy UAV for half or a third of the price of a heavy fighter ???
  22. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 4 June 2020 15: 28 New
    +1
    Russia uses far less financial resources to create modern military equipment. And this is to the question of the effectiveness of investments.

    And if only "effective managers" were "reinforced" ... recourse
    Final costs may well increase due to the willingness to implement several important components, including new versions of engines and a flat nozzle.

    Not to mention the recommended "effective managers" ... request
  23. APASUS
    APASUS 4 June 2020 15: 44 New
    +3
    The sum insured has nothing to do with the price of the UAV itself, and moreover does not reflect an investment in R&D. This is the amount of compensation in the event of an accident.
  24. Lew
    Lew 4 June 2020 16: 24 New
    0
    Do we already have the Army equipped with such drones? or as with the SU-27, at first the enemies got the equipment, and then we got something ..
  25. EnGenius
    EnGenius 4 June 2020 16: 31 New
    0
    The cost is comparable to the cost of the Su-35. It is unlikely that our MO is ready to buy more.
  26. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 4 June 2020 16: 43 New
    +1
    All this is pleasant, but so far only assumptions, the price will be known at the release of the first production batch.
  27. Gogia
    Gogia 4 June 2020 18: 16 New
    +1
    What is there to discuss. It is necessary to release and learn to fight with him. to make small-caliber guided ammunition so that one such thing could be done ... We have already seen the effectiveness of UAVs in Syria. Even with anti-aircraft defense. There are a lot of conversations, but so far there are few cases ... So we are sitting in the ranks without an impact UAV.
  28. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 5 June 2020 04: 18 New
    0
    - "The final costs may well increase due to the readiness to implement several important components, including new versions of engines and a flat nozzle. But in any case, these are not the amounts that are used, roughly speaking, to be poured into this kind of development overseas." chickens "we will count until autumn !!!. Will go into series, then we will calculate the costs and I think that they will be many times more than stated.
  29. datura23
    datura23 5 June 2020 08: 45 New
    -1
    the whole price was plundered by a party of kleptocrat rogues))))
  30. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 5 June 2020 13: 56 New
    0
    If our Hunter can combine all these functions that are listed by the author, then he will have no analogues in the whole world, and if full interaction with the Su-57 is achieved, the West will completely remain somewhere behind for a while. God grant good luck to our specialists in drones !!!. True, such Hunters will become costly for our treasury, but the product made is worth it.
  31. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 5 June 2020 14: 26 New
    0
    The whole question is in equipment. It is not difficult to create a remotely controlled (from an airplane nearby) controlled glider for the money.

    But the radar, the aiming system on the ground and the like will bring the price closer to the price of a real aircraft.
  32. shed
    shed 5 June 2020 17: 35 New
    0
    It makes no sense to convince someone that these are Amer’s little things, they are pin .. Os made their drones against countries that do not have their normal air defense. Any normal pilot will tell you that he will knock down this trough one time, and two air defense, how many were shot down in Libya and Syria , Of course, not very smart but Americans who are always ready to print candy wrappers are very happy when someone follows in their footsteps and spends a lot of grandmas who can be spent wisely for the good of their country.