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“The Russians have an AK-47, but what do we have?” - speculate in Chinese Sohu

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“The Russians have an AK-47, but what do we have?” - speculate in Chinese Sohu

Pictured is AKM



The Chinese press has been preoccupied with the fact that China does not have its own shooting brand. If proven options for small arms weapons If there are a number of major world powers, including Russia, the USA, Germany, then China still needs to decide what it can boast of in this regard.

This thesis is put forward by the author on the pages of the publication Sohu.

From the material:

The United States has an M24 sniper rifle, Germany had the Mauser 1930k back in the 98s, the Russians had an AK-47 Kalashnikov assault rifle from the Soviet era. What about us? Moreover, the picture is developing in the direction of a multipolar world.

The author notes that the popularity of foreign small arms in the world is very high. The material indicates that since the start of production "more than 100 million Kalashnikov assault rifles have been produced", "Russia is actively working in major markets."

From the material:

This machine is very famous, it has combat effectiveness, is widely used in a variety of conflicts. It is relatively lightweight, unpretentious in use, stable in all conditions - in heat and cold.

However, the Chinese author would not be a Chinese author if he could not “discover” the success of Chinese gunsmiths.

According to him, "the creation of a Type 81 assault rifle was a good result for China." And the author is clearly not embarrassed by the fact that Type 81 was not created on its own base, but on the basis of SCS. Moreover, the author is not particularly embarrassed by the fact that over the 37 years since the Type 81 was adopted for service, these weapons have never become known and in demand, except for the demand for a few very limited quantities purchased by Sri Lanka, Algeria, Nepal and some other countries.
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  1. Crowe
    Crowe 4 June 2020 07: 48 New
    19
    This machine is very famous, it has combat effectiveness, is widely used in a variety of conflicts. It is relatively lightweight, unpretentious in use, stable in all conditions - in heat and cold.

    The perfect weapon. Thank you, Mikhail Timofeevich!
    1. vkl.47
      vkl.47 4 June 2020 08: 05 New
      +5
      In the photo, by the way, AKM
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 4 June 2020 08: 24 New
        17
        Exactly! It was him that I kept on the Oath, when I was scared to read terribly

        I, a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, joining the Armed Forces, take the oath and solemnly swear to be honest, brave, disciplined, watchful soldier, strictly keep military and state secrets, unconditionally fulfill all military regulations and orders of commanders and commanders.
        I swear to conscientiously study military affairs, to protect military and national property in every possible way and to be loyal to my People, my Soviet Homeland and the Soviet Government until the last breath.
        I am always ready, by order of the Soviet Government, to defend my Motherland — the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a soldier of the Armed Forces, I swear to defend it courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, without sparing my blood and life itself to achieve complete victory over the enemies .
        If I violate my solemn oath, then let me suffer the harsh punishment of Soviet law, the general hatred and contempt of the working people.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 4 June 2020 11: 49 New
          +5
          Quote: Crowe
          Exactly! It was him that I kept on the Oath, when I was scared to read terribly

          ... held everything. I even remember the number PM 1703.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 4 June 2020 12: 07 New
            +5
            I served in the tank. We AKMS - a great machine. good
            1. lis-ik
              lis-ik 4 June 2020 14: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: Sea Cat
              I served in the tank. We AKMS - a great machine. good

              As far as I remember in tank AKSU. At least in the GSVG, it was so, although I served in the missile division, but in the tank division.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 4 June 2020 14: 18 New
                +5
                Seryozha, I served from 66th to 69th, then AKSU, in my opinion, wasn’t in the project either. smile
                1. lis-ik
                  lis-ik 4 June 2020 14: 19 New
                  +3
                  Yes, I do not stick to the topic, but maybe I had such a situation.
              2. Alexander Drobyshev
                Alexander Drobyshev 10 September 2020 22: 17 New
                0
                Good day. Until 1979, there were definitely AKMS and AKS-74, AKS-74U went later.
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 4 June 2020 20: 23 New
              0
              Quote: Sea Cat
              I served in the tank. We AKMS - a great machine. good

              Yeah. So universal that they probably still serve in the Special Forces. AKMSN2 in full "body kit" - with PBS and 1PN58 looked just dazzling! laughing And if you consider that with this PN (multiplicity of 3,8, it seems) it was possible to shoot in the afternoon - there were no equal at all drinks
        2. snake
          snake 4 June 2020 12: 56 New
          -14
          Quote: Crowe
          я swear to protect her courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, not sparing his blood and life itself to achieve complete victory over enemies.

          Well and how, protected? Is blood circulation normal? Dignity and honor are not affected? Why this pathos almost 30 years later ..?
          Quote: Crowe
          let me suffer the harsh punishment of Soviet law, the general hatred and contempt of the working people.

          The harsh punishment of Soviet law will not befall you if there is no country to which you swore.
          1. Mwg
            Mwg 5 June 2020 06: 30 New
            +1
            Do not reflex. It was just nostalgia, which many supported.
            1. snake
              snake 5 June 2020 12: 11 New
              -4
              Quote: MVG
              It was just nostalgia.

              Nostalgia for an unfulfilled vow? "Good" memory of non-fulfillment of duty to the Motherland? Well, nostalgic, comrades sworn, nostalgic ...
        3. st2st
          st2st 4 June 2020 13: 45 New
          -4
          And where are these officers who swore allegiance to their homeland? Swearing to protect the citizens of the Soviet Union? Suffer There is no Soviet Union, but citizens remained. Traitors, or retrained opportunists?
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 4 June 2020 23: 18 New
            0
            Quote: st2st
            citizens stayed

            Citizens of what?
            1. st2st
              st2st 5 June 2020 01: 20 New
              -2
              Citizens of the great country, whose cowardly cowardice could not defend in 1991. . They were thrilled with fear, and they profiled the country, the defenders are bad. Now they are sitting on the VO website, they are cheating forever, selfish selfish
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 June 2020 01: 56 New
                0
                Quote: st2st
                Citizens of the great country

                Stop. Citizens remained, the country was gone. So how are they now citizens, if there is already no country? And the country that is now - is it without citizens?
                Citizens without a country, a country without citizens. Surrealism
                1. st2st
                  st2st 5 June 2020 03: 54 New
                  -2
                  And, I did not give my passport of a citizen of the USSR to the passport office, and my friends did not give it back either. I understand that it is stupid to feel nostalgic for the past time, but I cannot accept it. I despise the officers who took the oath to the Union, and those who quickly took the oath to Russia, but I can't even call the current officers. What is the officer with M. Kitaeva? What is the officer from the young Markovskaya bump? What is the officer with Shevtsova? The ability to stand in a pose "siu" does not make a compliant woman an officer. Leveling and completely discrediting the rank of officer is the whole essence of the policy of the Russian Federation.
                  1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                    Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 June 2020 05: 32 New
                    0
                    Quote: st2st
                    Ah, I didn’t give my USSR citizen passport to the passport office, and my friends didn’t give it either

                    Those. are you citizens of not this country? Or do you have dual citizenship?

                    Quote: st2st
                    россии

                    You have a mistake
                    1. st2st
                      st2st 5 June 2020 06: 00 New
                      -3
                      Yes, no, not a mistake. Derogatory specifically wrote. I am not a supporter of liberals, like Lesha bulk, but I hate the current government with all the fibers of my soul. Thief on thief, and thief controlled. Destroyed my town in which I grew up. Optimization, restructuring. Has anyone answered for this in the government? No, they’re sitting, hari-fucked, they’re doing great Russia, the marlupas are finished. Hospitals were closed, FAPs, they say, are inappropriate. And can Sechin moderate his appetites, or Rotenberg? Land and bowels belong to the people. The Constitution of the Russian Federation .A, in real life what?
                      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                        Boris ⁣ Shaver 5 June 2020 16: 05 New
                        +1
                        Quote: st2st
                        Derogatory specifically wrote

                        What is Russia? Tsar, Stalin or Putin? Of course no. This is the land watered with the blood of our ancestors, and the people who lived and live on it.

                        Separatism, like any other process, has both spatial and temporal dimensions. It is not for nothing that our culture at all times treats with special contempt and prophesies an inglorious end to all "Ivans who do not remember kinship," that is to say, characters who have forgotten their history and their family. Opposing each other the milestones of our history, such Ivans strive to divide us into parts not in space, so in time, but everyone knows that "every kingdom that is divided in itself will be empty."
                  2. Mwg
                    Mwg 5 June 2020 06: 40 New
                    +1
                    You are not listed here, but your statements are read only by those of which you know nothing
              2. Mwg
                Mwg 5 June 2020 06: 35 New
                +1
                Have you ever tried to feed a family of four people (including yourself) for a year in a taiga garrison with an irregular salary and inflation of 200% per month? Sit and don't ring
                1. st2st
                  st2st 5 June 2020 10: 53 New
                  -2
                  Dear Valery, I, a simple electrician, support my family of five. Not because I'm clever, but because in our city there is no work for my children. The fruits of optimization bitch Skvortsova. They killed medicine in my city. And, after that, should I be grateful to the guarantor? Sucks Kvachkov worked at the time when the red-haired creature could not finish. And the red-headed creature is the center sidekick of the guarantor, who is not responsible for his words. Valera, can a self-respecting person say that while he is president, there will be no increase in the retirement age? And in three years to introduce a pension qualification. Is that a man, do you think? I understand that you have an officer pension, and you are paid for the problems of ordinary citizens. Are you chocolate in this life, but hard workers ???
        4. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 27 August 2020 09: 45 New
          0
          Really typed the text of the oath from memory? belay
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 4 June 2020 12: 06 New
        +4
        Under the photo and signed.
        Pictured is AKM
      3. Alexander Drobyshev
        Alexander Drobyshev 10 September 2020 22: 15 New
        0
        Good afternoon. There it is written - "In the photo - a bare AKM", what is your comment?
    2. Samara
      Samara 4 June 2020 08: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Crowe
      The perfect weapon. Thank you, Mikhail Timofeevich!

      I join !!!! Could become a multi-billionaire and his relatives, but he gave the brand to the state, which brought him up and gave knowledge and faith in the Fatherland!
      Eternal memory and low bow ..
      PS But the guy didn’t even have an engineering education .. EVERYTHING is on intuition and creativity ..
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 4 June 2020 11: 51 New
        +6
        Quote: Samara
        Could become a multi-billionaire and his relatives, but he gave the brand to the state, which brought him up and gave knowledge and faith in the Fatherland!

        He did not separate the socialist state from, in fact, the people, like all real patriots of his country.
        1. Samara
          Samara 4 June 2020 12: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          He did not separate the socialist state from, in fact, the people, like all real patriots of his country.

          That’s how he created the Great Country of the USSR !!!! To spite all enemies external and internal .. soldier
      2. kit88
        kit88 4 June 2020 12: 54 New
        +4
        Could become a multi-billionaire and his relatives

        How's that?
        What are the multi-billionaires in the USSR. Can't history be taught in today's school?
        Recommend: I. Ilf and E. Petrov "The Golden Calf".
        Where the underground millionaire Koreiko kept his 10 million in a shabby suitcase in the station’s storage room, and at the same time he was afraid to spend an extra ruble so as not to draw attention to his shadow activities.
      3. krillon
        krillon 4 June 2020 23: 06 New
        0
        The concern took the AK-47 trademark from the heirs. So what about I gave ...
    3. snake
      snake 4 June 2020 12: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: Crowe
      The perfect weapon.

      Optimal.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 4 June 2020 20: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: serpent
        Quote: Crowe
        The perfect weapon.

        Optimal.

        Yes, rather, it’s more correct. drinks
    4. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert 4 June 2020 17: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Crowe
      This machine is very famous, it has combat effectiveness, is widely used in a variety of conflicts. It is relatively lightweight, unpretentious in use, stable in all conditions - in heat and cold.

      The perfect weapon. Thank you, Mikhail Timofeevich!

      Join us!
      Recently I saw a feature film "Kalashnikov". Not a bad, truthful movie without anti-Soviet hysteria. True, a Chekist with bulging eyes flashed through. But where without him in the film in our time? ..
      About our ingenious designer - a nugget. In a sergeant rank.
      I am amused by the moment when, with Sudaev and Kalashnikov in 1943, a bet was made on whom the machine was recognized as the best. The loser was supposed to crow. Sudaev won - PPS adopted. But he knightly refused sergeant crowing ...
      And in 1947, Sudayev was fit to crow - the legendary AK-47 was born.
      And let the Chinese not change - they gave a head start to the whole world. Gunpowder was invented! ..
      Let them be proud of at least this fact! wink
      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 4 June 2020 20: 19 New
        +1
        On August 17, 1946, Alexey Ivanovich Sudaev died of stomach ulcer and was buried at the Vagankovsky cemetery. On July 28, 1942, the PPS-42 was put into service, in 1943 the PPS-43 appeared, a modified version of the PPS-42. The first stage of the competition for the "new assault rifle" in August 1944 was won by the AS-44 (Sudaev assault rifle).
      2. Enky
        Enky 5 June 2020 08: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Paul Siebert
        Quote: Crowe
        This machine is very famous, it has combat effectiveness, is widely used in a variety of conflicts. It is relatively lightweight, unpretentious in use, stable in all conditions - in heat and cold.

        The perfect weapon. Thank you, Mikhail Timofeevich!


        And let the Chinese not change - they gave a head start to the whole world. Gunpowder was invented! ..
        Let them be proud of at least this fact! wink

        Probably not in the know that the state of China was formed in 1949, but they did not call themselves Chinese by spawn?
  2. nobody111body
    nobody111body 4 June 2020 07: 53 New
    -1
    and who is this author then this "Chinese" and where does he live
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 4 June 2020 08: 07 New
      10
      Quote: nobody
      and who is this author then this "Chinese" and where does he live

      the reader with the nickname "nobody" is interested smile
      1. svp67
        svp67 4 June 2020 08: 33 New
        +7
        Quote: Volodin
        the reader is interested with the nickname "nobody

        from the Netherlands ...
        1. Samara
          Samara 4 June 2020 08: 50 New
          -1
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Volodin
          the reader is interested with the nickname "nobody

          from the Netherlands ...

          Did not know ! I personally like such articles, although I don’t agree with everyone .. Let me still write hi
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 4 June 2020 09: 19 New
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          from the Netherlands ...

          Who "from the Netherlands" belay ,"none", or the author of the article laughing ?
          1. Pessimist22
            Pessimist22 4 June 2020 10: 51 New
            +4
            If he has the Netherlands flag hanging, this does not mean that he lives there, most likely he uses a VPN and comes from a Dutch server.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 4 June 2020 10: 58 New
              +3
              Quote: Pessimist22
              If he has the Netherlands flag hanging, this does not mean that he lives there, most likely he uses a VPN and comes from a Dutch server.

              So my question to the author of the comment is not about the "flag", but about who exactly he meant - the author of the article, or the participant under the nickname "nobody111nikto" (woodcutter) ...

              Actually, it’s not really important who is who and under what flag, but in fact that if the author of the comment writes about something, he should do it so that everyone understands what he wanted to say in the end ...
  3. Evdokim
    Evdokim 4 June 2020 08: 09 New
    +5
    The United States has a M24 sniper rifle, Germany had the Mauser 1930k back in the 98s, the Russians had an AK-47 Kalashnikov assault rifle from the Soviet era. What about us?

    I bought a Chinese slingshot about three years ago. Plastic handle, long enough, strong and elastic cord, the presence of emphasis on the forearm. Very high quality product. I didn’t even think that I would have to remember my childhood skills, but in the fight against stray dogs, magpies, and other enemies, a great help. Than not a brand. good
    1. avg
      avg 4 June 2020 10: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Evdokim
      I bought a Chinese slingshot about three years ago. Plastic handle, long enough, strong and elastic cord, the presence of emphasis on the forearm. Very high quality product.

      But with the clones of AK-AKM, the Chinese did not succeed. No matter how hard they tried, they didn't even come close. The main disadvantages are low reliability, the barrel quickly warmed up and began to "spit", the machine gun absolutely did not give in to zeroing in, and the forend and butt of blue plastic, to put it mildly, surprised.
      1. Evdokim
        Evdokim 4 June 2020 11: 19 New
        -1
        Quote: avg
        But with the AK-AKM clones, the Chinese did not succeed. As they did not try, but did not even come close.

        Of course, if the trunks are made of reinforcement, and plastic is used in the second round, then the result will be appropriate. But cheap and even shoots. Although unsafe. belay
        But slingshots do not give misfires, do not heat up, and blue plastic will even be in place. laughing
      2. Free wind
        Free wind 4 June 2020 11: 30 New
        -4
        The Chinese were the first in the world, in the mid-50s, from the USSR to license AK-AKMs. The Chinese were handed over machines, equipment and all documentation for the production of automatic machines. These are not copies, not clones, the Chinese made AKM. It was a normal weapon, the Chinese flooded the whole world with them, and we hid it and considered it a top secret.
        1. avg
          avg 4 June 2020 12: 00 New
          +4
          Quote: Free Wind
          These are not copies, not clones, the Chinese made AKM. It was a normal weapon, the Chinese flooded the whole world with them.

          Yes, the Chinese have been producing just a shitty copy of the AK since 1956 (type 56), with the shortcomings I have listed. For themselves, they did better, but still the metal and the quality of processing did not reach the original. Don't believe everything Wikipedia tells you. If you went to any arms shop in the world 3, you would immediately see the difference in prices of the "Chinese" and the original. And the traders are not (theoretical physicists) but practitioners, they would explain the reason on your fingers. I am not writing from the ceiling, but based on my own experience of a close acquaintance with these machines.
          1. aviator6768
            aviator6768 4 June 2020 13: 44 New
            +2
            I support. Chinese Kalash - for spirits - according to attrition on the bolt carrier and receiver - per kilometer. Well, no reliability ....
            1. Alexander Drobyshev
              Alexander Drobyshev 10 September 2020 23: 29 New
              0
              I wonder where did the Type 56 get scuffs on the non-blued bolt carrier?
              By the way, AKM, by the way, when worn for a long time on an overcoat, also stubs out almost to white. Well, and reliability ... What type 56 did you mean: type 56 with a milled box of 1956, type 56 with a stamped box of 1964, or is it Norinco M-22 of 1973?
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 4 June 2020 20: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Free Wind
          The Chinese were the first in the world, in the mid-50s, from the USSR to license AK-AKMs. The Chinese were handed over machines, equipment and all documentation for the production of automatic machines. These are not copies, not clones, the Chinese made AKM. It was a normal weapon, the Chinese flooded the whole world with them, and we hid it and considered it a top secret.

          Well yes. They made it from our drawings, but - from what? It was then that the dog rummaged, apparently.
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 4 June 2020 12: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: avg
        the Chinese did not succeed.

        The Chinese missed it late. About national brands, it was necessary to start thinking of the century since the 19th. Moreover, not everyone is given this. With all the current Chinese technological and industrial power, there are only three "purely Chinese" global brands that are attributed to them. Compass, paper and gunpowder. And even then, these are most likely historical legends.
      4. ssergey1978
        ssergey1978 4 June 2020 20: 34 New
        0
        What nonsense.
      5. Alexander Drobyshev
        Alexander Drobyshev 10 September 2020 23: 00 New
        0
        Good day. I don’t want to offend you, but you can see a photo of a Chinese type 56 with a forend and a blue plastic stock, I would like to add it to the collection. I would also like to know which model it was: type 56 with a milled box, type 56 with a stamped box, or is it Norinco M-22? I would also like to know the country of origin: China, Cambodia, Bangladesh, Iran, Pakistan, Sudan, or was it the Albanian ASH-78? Thanks in advance for your reply.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 4 June 2020 12: 12 New
      +1
      ... in the fight against stray dogs, magpies, and other enemies a great help.

      For this I use IL-61, after all, "shop". For over 20 years now and no complaints. This is a BRAND!
      1. Evdokim
        Evdokim 4 June 2020 13: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Sea Cat
        I use IZH-61 for this,

        The air is bulky, heavier, requires care and bullets. Moreover, she, as they say now, is not humane.
        I explain, kill does not kill, but God forbid inflicts injuries. I consider it unnecessary to mutilate animals when they can be scared away. Although to fight birds, with some modernization, this is the very thing. hi
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 4 June 2020 13: 45 New
          +1
          I don’t shoot dogs, there’s enough shout at them, but some birds definitely get it. What do you mean by modernization? If the spring is more powerful, then it won’t work out, they tried it - the cocking lever bends, and if the optics, then I have a scope, and not weak, the birds have no wounded animals, and if they happen to happen, then my cat will deal with them. As soon as he sees that I went out into the garden with a rifle, he immediately binds to me, a dog hunting right. ))) hi
    3. lis-ik
      lis-ik 4 June 2020 14: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Evdokim
      The United States has a M24 sniper rifle, Germany had the Mauser 1930k back in the 98s, the Russians had an AK-47 Kalashnikov assault rifle from the Soviet era. What about us?

      I bought a Chinese slingshot about three years ago. Plastic handle, long enough, strong and elastic cord, the presence of emphasis on the forearm. Very high quality product. I didn’t even think that I would have to remember my childhood skills, but in the fight against stray dogs, magpies, and other enemies, a great help. Than not a brand. good

      I went further and three days ago bought a Chinese motorcycle "Racer" Panther 300, and my brother took the Kayo MX T2, they decided to remember his youth in his fifth ten, and I was in the sixth. I still hide from my wife, keep it in my brother's garage for now. True, the weather is letting down, and we still can't get through the forests and fields.
      1. Evdokim
        Evdokim 4 June 2020 15: 58 New
        0
        Quote: lis-ik
        I went further and three days ago bought a Chinese motorcycle "Racer" Panther 300, and my brother took the Cayo MX T2, we decided to remember his youth in his fifth ten, and I was in the sixth.

        "Man is created for happiness, like a bird for flight." Well, in front. Happy for you. good
        Only:
        Quote: lis-ik
        I’m still hiding from my wife, I’m keeping it with my brother in the garage.

        Why? what
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 6 June 2020 16: 41 New
          +1
          She categorically against it, threatens to chop it with an ax (if I buy it). He’s afraid that I will turn up and break.
  4. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 4 June 2020 08: 11 New
    +3
    China did not give birth yet to its weapons nugget ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 4 June 2020 08: 28 New
      0
      China does not have its own shooting brand.
      And will not be! Quality .... Chinese. tongue
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 4 June 2020 09: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And will not be! Quality .... Chinese.

        You're wrong ... Not everything is Chinese, so "Chinese". More precisely already much.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 4 June 2020 09: 24 New
          0
          Quote: Insurgent
          already a lot.

          That's when there will be EVERYTHING, then there will be your Kalash!
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 4 June 2020 09: 21 New
      0
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      China did not give birth yet to its weapons nugget ...

      Because their "nuggets" specialize only in working on "copiers"
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 June 2020 11: 54 New
      -1
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      China did not give birth yet to its weapons nugget ...

      And what Chinese nuggets became known in the world? If they did, then only in the copy-paste world ... lol
  5. Klingon
    Klingon 4 June 2020 08: 13 New
    +5
    a strange choice of brands by the Chinese author, well, if everything is clear with the AK-47, then where is the M16 Colt? why the Germans don’t have HK but Mauser?
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 June 2020 08: 42 New
      +8
      And Mauser 98k since the 1930s !!!? laughing
      By the way, the Chinese have forgotten about the Americans Colt and Maxim!
      For our country, Maxim is an epochal brand of two world wars, revolution and civil war !!! Where are the MP-38 (40), PPSh, PPS and Tomigan? Even Stan's plumber's dream is epic and recognizable! It may be a misfortune in another, the ability to “copy-paste” everything and always does not allow creating harmonious things with the soul as a personal weapon. For example, the celestial clone of Mauser, the fearsome man compared to the original, recently disassembled on the "weapon" branch.
      At the same time, the porcelain of the Ming dynasty in general is perfect!
      About two years ago I chose what to buy the Spanish Bigcat air rifle or the Chinese - Smersh R11. The Spaniard won, took the soul. The Chinese lost with all the goodies. Moreover, the previously acquired Chinese Ulmareks “Sku Hunter” How the German replica turned out to be not bad!
      It’s like in airplanes, “there should be a swan song”, and in weapons it’s “a damn fireman”!
      Even our “club” PPSh and the surrogate “PPS” There is something that raves the masculine beginning!
      Regards, Kote!
      1. Alexander Drobyshev
        Alexander Drobyshev 10 September 2020 23: 47 New
        +1
        Good afternoon. I wonder why the pre-war Chinese copies don't suit you: Type 24 rifle ("Mauser" G98)
        , Type 24 machine gun ("Maxim" MG-08)
        or pistol Type 17 "Shanxi 45" caliber .45 ACP?
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 11 September 2020 04: 41 New
          0
          Copy one, second, third! What do you like the truth? I have in my collection an air rifle and a Mauser pistol from Ulmarex and Getcher (1, 3 of your photos), the sensations are similar to the real ones that you see in the illustrations! German, Anglo-American, German !!! What is Chinese?
          1. Alexander Drobyshev
            Alexander Drobyshev 11 September 2020 11: 34 New
            0
            To be more precise, "German", "Anglo-American-German" and "German-Chinese". Very high-quality copies made in 1935 on equipment supplied by Germany were used in almost all wars in that region up to the Vietnam War and up to still working properly. Pistol Type 17 "Shanxi 45" caliber .45 ACP ("Dragon in a box"), despite the fact that it is a copy of the "Mauser" C96, is an independent development of the Shanxi arsenal, made to unify the caliber with the same Thompson submachine gun M1921. Almost the whole world produced and is releasing copies of weapons, and for some reason you took up arms against the Chinese. The Chinese arsenals supplied their army with high-quality weapons, after the capture of China by Japan - the Japanese, then both sides during the Civil War of 1946-49, then released Soviet weapons. The quality of Chinese weapons, and not only them, fell dramatically after the Cultural Revolution, when in 1966-69. the country was given up to be torn apart by the hungweipings and zaofangs, and then those who survived in 1969-71. retrained as peasants in the "Schools of personnel on May 7". So after this there was no one to come up with something of their own and monitor the quality of what is already being released.
  6. 210ox
    210ox 4 June 2020 08: 16 New
    +2
    And they have a very dynamic economy. Incorporating all the advantages of the planned and market. And there’s nothing to bother with the brand — it’s already copied and adjusted anyway.
  7. Skay
    Skay 4 June 2020 08: 29 New
    +5
    “The Russians have an AK-47, but what do we have?”

    The Chinese have a rapid-fire copier.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 4 June 2020 20: 40 New
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      Quote: Skay
      “The Russians have an AK-47, but what do we have?”

      The Chinese have a rapid-fire copier.

      Class! good
  8. svp67
    svp67 4 June 2020 08: 32 New
    +5
    "The Russians have an AK-47, ..." - speculate in Chinese Sohu
    As well as TT, PPSh and DShK
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 4 June 2020 08: 38 New
      +4
      ... and a balalaika, well, a faceted glass, for all times !!! drinks
      1. svp67
        svp67 4 June 2020 08: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: Skalendarka
        ... and a balalaika, well, a faceted glass, for all times !!!

        Well, yes, in some cases, and they can become weapons ... deadly
        1. Sklendarka
          Sklendarka 4 June 2020 09: 49 New
          +1
          More terrible than a kitchen knife ... laughing
          1. Klingon
            Klingon 4 June 2020 12: 02 New
            +1
            more terrible than a kitchen knife is only a slipper that flies into the gnaw at a supersonic speed wassat
            then the Germans still wonder why we Russian houses always go in slippers laughing
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 June 2020 09: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      "The Russians have an AK-47, ..." - speculate in Chinese Sohu
      As well as TT, PPSh and DShK

      If I am not mistaken from all of the above, only the PCA by the Chinese is not copied! And so all 4 samples were in service with the Chinese army !!
      1. svp67
        svp67 4 June 2020 09: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        If I am not mistaken from all of the above, only the PCA by the Chinese is not copied!

        Well, yes, well, yes, they, as always, "invented" by themselves ... PP type 50
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 June 2020 09: 33 New
          +2
          In ... so I was wrong! So they copied it !!!? And I thought only PPP !!! good
          1. svp67
            svp67 4 June 2020 09: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            So they copied it !!!?

            And what they supplied their "volunteers" in Korea with, especially since the PPSh was precisely designed for production in similar conditions
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 June 2020 09: 40 New
              +1
              I saw photos with a disk store. Knew about our deliveries to China. I was sincerely mistaken that PPSh-41 came from the USSR in the form of military assistance.
              Moreover, knowing that they launched mass production of a clone of PPS, I wonder why parallel to produce PPSh?
              1. svp67
                svp67 4 June 2020 09: 49 New
                +2
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                Moreover, knowing that they launched mass production of a clone of PPS, I wonder why parallel to produce PPSh?

                And they could be produced in parallel, since the production required different equipment and these PPs still have a different "niche", the PCA was better suited for the infantryman.
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 June 2020 09: 51 New
                  +1
                  I agree! I have in my collection PPSh-41 with the stamp of 1945!
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  10. Shuttle
    Shuttle 4 June 2020 08: 45 New
    +1
    Fishlessness and cancer. What can I say ...
  11. sergo1914
    sergo1914 4 June 2020 09: 01 New
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    I even know what name to give the new brand. But for writing it in the comments on VO for some reason they banyat.

    PS They don’t give a damn opinion poll.
  12. Dysindich
    Dysindich 4 June 2020 09: 04 New
    +4
    And the Chinese have legendary and world famous thermoses.
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 4 June 2020 09: 07 New
      +4
      There are.
      In Russia it is mostly known as "Arctic", their uncle Liao does.
      There are no complaints about the quality.
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 4 June 2020 09: 20 New
        +8
        I remember the Chinese sneakers "Great Wall", the whole class was jealous, they were very high quality ... We bought them at TSUM together with "Electronics - 302", when the whole family went to Moscow for shopping ...
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 June 2020 09: 43 New
          +5
          Quote: Crowe
          I remember the Chinese sneakers "Great Wall", the whole class was jealous, they were very high quality ... We bought them at TSUM together with "Electronics - 302", when the whole family went to Moscow for shopping ...

          Today, such "sneakers" are already rattling tires on highways!
          Progress inspires respect "bast shoes = SUV" !!! hi
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 4 June 2020 09: 52 New
      +4
      Alas, there were ...
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 June 2020 12: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: Dysindich
      And the Chinese have legendary and world famous thermoses.

      Why are they legendary? That the cork became unusable after a few weeks of use? Nobody argues, the Chinese had good goods, but not many. And they also made chopsticks. First, from their wood, and when it ended, they began to shred the Siberian taiga.
      They have perseverance, hard work ... Invention in question, literature and painting ...
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 4 June 2020 15: 12 New
        +3
        What is the difference where the cork is made, it is made from the bark of a cork tree in China in France. Or in China, a fake cork tree grows, well, not from the bamboo bark, corks were made.
  13. AllBiBek
    AllBiBek 4 June 2020 09: 11 New
    +2
    And the Chinese have a cho-ko-well, the world's first multi-charged hand gunner, and the gunner in the literal sense, it is under the arrows. More times of Qin Shi Huang. On the other side of the mainland, the only single-shot and wildly uncomfortable horror began to enter into fashion, and before the easel analogue, cho-ko-well - and this polybole - another quarter of a thousand years somewhere.

    It is strange that they missed this, they have there "the oldest in the world comes from China" - this is a nationwide trend at the level of thinking.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 June 2020 09: 30 New
      0
      Celestial parity in the field of gunpowder, wheeled ships (on a foot drive), multi-story ships, split-hull fire boats, lime-based chemical shells and much more.
      Moreover, the British, seeing for the first time rowing vessels with muscular strength, sincerely thought that the Chinese were trying to repeat their steamboat-frigates !!!
      Here, apparently, the banal philosophical itch of the kitchen intelligentsia, where the homeland of elephants !!!
      Aki comparison of the flight to the moon and the barrel with gunpowder !!!
      1. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek 4 June 2020 11: 08 New
        0
        About gunpowder, I came across calculations that their "powder pulp" is not quite gunpowder, although it is a convergent forerunner.
        True, they also lick actively at stirrups, such as them too.

        But with acupuncture flew, well so. It turned out to be a European invention of prehistoric times. And even the story about some of their emperor, who treated migraines with gardening, did not help, got a hoe on his leg, and his head stopped hurting.
  14. a.starodumov1954
    a.starodumov1954 4 June 2020 09: 15 New
    -5
    the author, there is no AK-47 assault rifle in Russia, and never was. He is only in your head and heads like yours, not like holding, even in the eyes of not seeing AK. Do not set off.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 4 June 2020 09: 30 New
      +9
      Quote: a.starodumov1954
      the author, there is no AK-47 assault rifle in Russia, and never was. He is only in your head and heads like yours, not like holding, even in the eyes of not seeing AK.


      In order not to crack for a long time, screenshots from test reports and documents Гlavnogo Аrtillery УBoard (later Grau):





      1. leokrasotkin
        leokrasotkin 4 June 2020 10: 01 New
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        Dissolve and do not. Starodumov is right. AK-47 called three parties: - prototypes; - installation samples; - samples for Hollywood (weapons of the evil and disgusting Russians). The AK-47 series has never been.
  15. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 4 June 2020 09: 15 New
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    And you, the Chinese, are entirely clones, and not only in the rifle ...
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 4 June 2020 09: 54 New
      0
      And I’m talking about this, they themselves clone ...
    2. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek 4 June 2020 11: 11 New
      -1
      As originally, the entire Soviet automobile industry, and all Soviet interwar engine building, by the way.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 4 June 2020 20: 54 New
        -1
        Quote: AllBiBek
        As originally, the entire Soviet automobile industry, and all Soviet interwar engine building, by the way.

        What did the Soviet automobile industry not please you? Victory and the Volga were even copied abroad. And Lada - this is the Italian auto industry on the ruins of the Soviet. Russia is still at this level.
  16. mark1
    mark1 4 June 2020 10: 15 New
    +2
    "-... the Rajah in the north has a beautiful wooden horse .."
    (who did not watch the cartoon, please do not be excited)
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 4 June 2020 12: 30 New
      0
      Quote: mark1
      "-... the Rajah in the north has a beautiful wooden horse .."

      I watched, but anyway ...
  17. Keldysh Mstislav
    Keldysh Mstislav 4 June 2020 10: 44 New
    0
    I served for 7 years. The official weapon was the AKS 74U. It is quite reliable. But! Not convenient ... I'm left-handed. I shoot from the left shoulder. Leading eye is left. Shooting from a Kalash with the left hand is inconvenient. Carbon flies in the face. After a couple of horns, the right eye and half of the face are smoked. But reloading is convenient for left-handers. It is not necessary to lie on its side.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 4 June 2020 21: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Keldysh Mstislav
      I served for 7 years. The official weapon was the AKS 74U. It is quite reliable. But! Not convenient ... I'm left-handed. I shoot from the left shoulder. Leading eye is left. Shooting from a Kalash with the left hand is inconvenient. Carbon flies in the face. After a couple of horns, the right eye and half of the face are smoked. But reloading is convenient for left-handers. It is not necessary to lie on its side.

      Comrade left-handed, I also served in the army, but a little longer. True, we did not have service weapons - we had personal and group weapons. I'm right-handed, but we all tried to shoot with both hands. It is not so difficult. This means that you had to spend a little time and you would shoot from the right as well as from the left. And when reloading, the machine is not put on its side - neither on the right hand, nor on the left.
  18. Carnifexx
    Carnifexx 4 June 2020 10: 53 New
    +1
    The creation of Mikhail Timofeevich was praised for the cause, but with the others it was somehow strange. It is clear that this is Sohu and it is clear how competent they are in anything other than the praise of the CCP and Chairman Xi, but to such an extent? How scary to live. In general, for the praise of AK, the rays of good, well, the Chinese handcuffs are excellent for policemen, for chians ... it doesn’t matter. Someday they will have their own Browning, Kalashnikov, Maxim, Stoner ... maybe.
    1. Keldysh Mstislav
      Keldysh Mstislav 4 June 2020 12: 30 New
      +2
      Will not appear. I deal with Chinese equipment and machine tools. Now they are doing quite high-quality and working things. But innovation, initiative, ergonomics they lack as concepts. Only they can make one product in dozens of gradations of quality.
      From the lowest (cheapest ..) to the highest (expensive ..). They are very disciplined.
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 June 2020 11: 15 New
    0
    And what about us?
    Maybe over time, and you will have something branded, why rush. It’s one thing to praise ourselves, and another thing that the world recognizes and purchases. Well, and about Type -81 really could not be remembered for reasons indicated by the author of the article.
  20. standan
    standan 4 June 2020 11: 23 New
    0
    It is surprising that no one has yet remembered Mosinka
    1. Keldysh Mstislav
      Keldysh Mstislav 4 June 2020 12: 32 New
      0
      Mosinka was not mentioned not because it is not a masterpiece, but because it is known only in several countries of the world ...
  21. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 4 June 2020 12: 25 New
    -1
    Russians have an AK-47 Kalashnikov assault rifle from Soviet times.

    Hmmm ... Are the Chinese stuck in "Soviet times"?
  22. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 4 June 2020 12: 31 New
    0
    By 98 I remembered and forgot about the mosquito, and CBT is also quite popular.
  23. Threaded screw
    Threaded screw 4 June 2020 13: 29 New
    0
    “The Russians have an AK-47, but what do we have?” - speculate in Chinese Sohu
    Why, in general, are Chinese weapons, there are 1.5 billion of them, they simply can simultaneously jump up and the earth will leave its orbit.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 4 June 2020 21: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Threaded Screw
      “The Russians have an AK-47, but what do we have?” - speculate in Chinese Sohu
      Why, in general, are Chinese weapons, there are 1.5 billion of them, they simply can simultaneously jump up and the earth will leave its orbit.

      They apparently do not know laughing
  24. Mwg
    Mwg 6 June 2020 05: 40 New
    0
    Quote: st2st
    Not because I'm clever, but because in our city there is no work for my children

    That is, children are adults, but there is no work for them? So right?
    I will surprise you: there is always work. Write your city and I will find work for your children in your city
  25. cosmonaut
    cosmonaut 6 June 2020 14: 20 New
    0
    but the Chinese have brands like abibas vanasonik numa hike. quietly with ... steal and leave, called found. there is something to be proud of))
  26. Petr7
    Petr7 7 June 2020 22: 17 New
    0
    The Chinese, you have wonderful engineers, well, you will give birth to a Sudaev-type machine gun. or Shpagin-2
    Fair. well, reproach that you yourself do not have this "vein", it is a shame, well, nget and no. but at least you try. and there are others who call themselves Great. they can't even use the ready-made