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What will happen if you give up control of nuclear weapons - speculate in the US press

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What will happen if you give up control of nuclear weapons - speculate in the US press

The system of treaties between the USA and Russia, which has evolved over decades, is of great importance. And today, the Trump administration is destroying the current equilibrium, breaking one treaty after another. What will happen with a complete abandonment of control over nuclear weapons?


Fred Veer discusses this topic in an article published in the American newspaper CSM.

If the current trend continues, very soon the world will come to a situation where there will not be a single instrument of international control over nuclear weapons. This is very similar to the situation that developed in the 60s of the last century. Then the world approached the abyss, and only a miracle saved our planet from complete destruction.

Actually, after the United States withdrew from the Open Skies Treaty, only START-3 remained valid, which expires in February 2021. And it is unlikely that it will be possible to extend, at least in its current form.

In such a situation, only the position of Russia, which constantly expresses readiness for negotiations with the United States on the control and reduction of armaments, especially nuclear ones, can remain optimistic.

Andrei Kortunov, head of the Russian Council on Foreign Affairs at the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, believes that the international security mechanism that has been tested for decades is being destroyed today, and no one is offering it in return.

But there will inevitably come a moment when Russia, the United States and other influential states will have to create a new mechanism that will ensure reliable arms control, taking into account modern realities.

The American press notes that if strategic offensive arms cease to exist, this could lead to uncontrolled accumulation of nuclear warheads with unpredictable consequences.

Against this background, US President Donald Trump said he "intends to sign a nuclear pact with Russia." According to the American president, "it is important to consider all the nuances."
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 3 June 2020 19: 32 New
    +9
    Nothing good for anyone ...
    Let's save the planet for posterity love
    1. fif21
      fif21 3 June 2020 19: 43 New
      +7
      Quote: rocket757
      Let's save the planet for posterity

      This requires the desire of all countries possessing nuclear weapons, and not just the United States and the Russian Federation. hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 June 2020 20: 03 New
        +2
        Wow! But only these two can arrange such a tram for the Tatars on the planet that the rest can do nothing .... not dig, and just dig in.
        1. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb 3 June 2020 23: 04 New
          +1
          I just remembered a joke about the nuance ...

          There were Vasily Ivanovich and Petka
          1. lelik613
            lelik613 4 June 2020 06: 51 New
            +1
            Agent Donald breeds huckster in the crown style.
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 4 June 2020 01: 38 New
        +5
        Quote: fif21
        This requires the desire of all countries possessing nuclear weapons, and not just the United States and Russia

        Desire and countries are too capacious and abstract concepts. A clear personification of those responsible for inciting military conflicts is required, as prescribed in the Military Doctrine. In the fundamental documents of the state, which really seeks to preserve peace, it should be strictly spelled out who and what are the primary goals indicating specific individuals, their clans and organizations. У главных виновников разжигания мировых войн не должно быть ни каких иллюзий о возможности отсидеться в своих бункерах в "нейтральных" странах. Only a personal, obvious threat of annihilation can put puppet governments at the negotiating table.
    2. Maikcg
      Maikcg 3 June 2020 20: 04 New
      -5
      The more nuclear weapons, the more reliable the world. So in the furnace all these contracts.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 June 2020 20: 08 New
        0
        Is not a fact. The situation is ambiguous.
        Words are attributed to one striped president - he is not interested in how many times the USSR can destroy them, it seemed enough to him once!
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 3 June 2020 21: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: MaikCG
        The more nuclear weapons, the more reliable the world.

        the guarantee of peace is not quantity, but guaranteed reciprocal destruction
        1. Maikcg
          Maikcg 4 June 2020 16: 55 New
          0
          Which is directly proportional to quantity.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 June 2020 19: 53 New
            0
            it’s not at all that you don’t need to EAT grenades to kill a neighbor, and the neighbor also knows this, the increase can occur due to additional protection, the neighbor climbed into the bunker and you already need not a grenade but a bomb
            1. Maikcg
              Maikcg 7 June 2020 19: 29 New
              0
              A neighbor can entertain himself with a dream quietly at night to steal 1 grenade. And if there are five of them, in different places, then it will be a good thing.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 7 June 2020 20: 47 New
                0
                Well, God is FIVE with you, but why a hundred grenades?
                or on the principle of very little, little, little, but no longer carry it away?
                1. Maikcg
                  Maikcg 15 June 2020 14: 15 New
                  -1
                  And you scale, 5 grenades per neighbor, 5000 warheads per 22,7 million square meters. km of NATO countries. It also seems a little.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 15 June 2020 23: 13 New
                    -1
                    Quote: MaikCG
                    , 5000 warheads per 22,7 million square meters. km of NATO countries. It also seems a little.

                    enough no matter who ever lived more
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 4 June 2020 13: 01 New
        +1
        Полностью поддерживаю. И чем больше средств доставки его к "партнерам".
    3. Civil
      Civil 3 June 2020 20: 46 New
      0
      Well then, conflicts with low-intensity nuclear weapons will begin.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 June 2020 20: 53 New
        +1
        Also an option, but it is no more possible than impossible.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 4 June 2020 10: 28 New
          +1
          The States dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan.
          However, people live in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
          To this is the calculation of those who interpret a limited war. IMHO. hi
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 4 June 2020 10: 38 New
            0
            there was no excess then, such vigorous arguments ... they could not fundamentally change anything. Everything was ripe a little later!
            Сейчас ситуация принципиально другая, если начнётся. то закончится может очень страшно ... если останется кому это страшное "оценить"?
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 4 June 2020 10: 45 New
              0
              I'm talking about a limited war, but you're talking about an excess? bully
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 4 June 2020 11: 08 New
                +1
                And remember ... no matter how you take a little white, anyway, run for an ADDITION!
                But who, where, when, did you observe any restrictions ??? yeah, two, three, many, many times.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 4 June 2020 11: 28 New
                  +1
                  That is why our President signed a decree approving the “Fundamentals of the state policy of the Russian Federation in the field of nuclear deterrence”. wink
                  https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/aktsii/putin-razreshil-rossii-pervoy-nanosit-yaderny-udar-1029274081
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 4 June 2020 11: 31 New
                    +1
                    This is understandable ... not white, fluffy surrounded us, a slightly different color from those vultures.
          2. tikhonov66
            tikhonov66 4 June 2020 12: 27 New
            0
            "...На Японию Штаты сбросили 2 атомные бомбы.
            However, people live in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
            To this is the calculation of those who interpret a limited war. IMHO.
            ..."
            But now for 2 no one is even going to stop.
            - that's the problem..
            And if there is not 2, but 200, but rather 2000.
            - то это уже "ядерная зима" с вымиранием 70% - нет, не человечества...
            ALL BIOSPHERES ... including birds and cats.
            - there will be only a small number of people (in bunkers with food reserves), rats and cockroaches eating up a huge number of corpses. Across the globe.
          3. NordUral
            NordUral 4 June 2020 13: 03 New
            +1
            Надо четко донести до"партнеров", что ограниченных войнушек не будет и сразу полетят стратеги.
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 3 June 2020 20: 56 New
      +7
      In the case of nuclear kneading with the planet, as a result, everything will be normal, and I did not experience such catastrophes.

      This is humanity can come Khan))
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 June 2020 21: 11 New
        +3
        Ha, but do we need to be moved?
        I want to live.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 3 June 2020 21: 15 New
          +1
          Of course I want to live. Therefore, the powers that be in any case agree.
          Not for the first time hi
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 3 June 2020 21: 50 New
            -2
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            Therefore, the powers that be in any case agree.
            Not the first time hi

            like this?
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 3 June 2020 23: 15 New
              -1
              And what does it have to do with it?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 4 June 2020 06: 33 New
                -3
                it to agree
                1. Lord of the Sith
                  Lord of the Sith 4 June 2020 08: 58 New
                  0
                  An example is so-so.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 4 June 2020 09: 35 New
                    0
                    well why so-so, gathered agreed
                    we all know the result
          2. NordUral
            NordUral 4 June 2020 13: 04 New
            0
            Fools unbalanced among the upper missing in the West.
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 4 June 2020 13: 11 New
              0
              Не все "верхние" на западе, да и вообще, являются таковыми. Есть в мире серые кардиналы, которые решают. Именно в множественном числе. И придурков среди них нет.
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 4 June 2020 13: 39 New
                0
                We will live and see if there is or not. Projects floating cities did not appear from scratch.
      2. dauria
        dauria 3 June 2020 22: 21 New
        +5
        This is humanity can come Khan))


        7 с хвостиком миллиардов человеков . Даже во времена без договоров СССР и США угробили бы "всего" по 110- 130 миллионов у каждой стороны .Сейчас меньше. Не помню, как считали европейцев . Так что никуда человечество не денется. А потери восстановит за одно поколение.
        Chinese time to plant at the table. It is the Chinese who strain the Americans — with their temper in the economy, they are stepping on their heels, not Russia. But the Chinese will not calm down until they are equal in terms of warheads and carriers to the United States. So we’ll live without contracts. Nothing wrong. Lived.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 3 June 2020 23: 31 New
          0
          hi

          Take it deep.
          Can you put the Chinese, Americans and other players at the negotiating table?
        2. mister-red
          mister-red 4 June 2020 00: 05 New
          +3
          110-130 million as you write, these are direct victims. And these are the lucky ones. Because the rest will die long and painfully
        3. +5
          +5 4 June 2020 09: 03 New
          0
          Китайцам до "сравняться" - как до Луны пешком. Это и нам совсем не нужно. Не позволят им "сравняться".
        4. Knell wardenheart
          Knell wardenheart 4 June 2020 10: 48 New
          +3
          Само по себе ЯО может и убьет не так много, но вот хаос который за этим наступит убьет over_дохрена . Людям будет нечего кушать, посевные площади будут заражены (как и водозабор) , хим. предприятия частично уничтожены, глобальная торговля встанет. Органы местной и остатки центральной власти перестанут находить общий язык , в итоге органы центр. власти сметут голодные мародерствующие толпы . Обвалится экономический каркас государства - ценится будет пища,оружие, медикаменты . А учитывая развал экономических связей , все это будут лимитированные вещи - и следовательно сотни миллионов людей банально подавят друг друга , попутно выжрав все что крупнее крысы ,выловив всю рыбу итд. Пойдет жесткая антисанитария и пышным цветом расцветет весь букет инфекций - холера,тиф,тубер, чума , от этого еще умрет прилично. Понятное дело на местах будут попытки навести порядок - однако быстро встанет дилемма "лишних людей" и недоверия власти - так что в основном эти попытки будут кровавы и безуспешны. Пенсионеры и предпенсионники довольно быстро отправятся в Вальгаллу .
          Так что даже близкого взгляда достаточно,чтобы понять - главный "ущерб" от ЯО это непредсказуемое ,внезапное и масштабное разрушение организации с сопутствующим заражением местности - и учитывая критическую зависимость нашей цивилизации от медикаментов,чистой воды,продуктов питания,наш морализм и привычку ждать организацию "сверху" - боюсь что последствия от такой войны могут быть в десятки раз серьезнее того,что выделили вы.
      3. Hermit21
        Hermit21 3 June 2020 23: 30 New
        -1
        The vast majority of humanity, by and large, will not notice anything. Now there are not the right quantities and capacities to talk about the total destruction and death of civilization
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 3 June 2020 23: 34 New
          0
          Do you want to check? For a larger population, this will not be to their liking.
        2. Sly
          Sly 4 June 2020 13: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Hermit21
          Now there are not the right quantities and capacities to talk about the total destruction and death of civilization

          Seriously? This is not enough for the total?
          Number of warheads (active / total):
          USA 1600/6185
          Russia 1600 / 6500
          1. Maikcg
            Maikcg 4 June 2020 17: 07 New
            0
            Well, so we will pour them on top of each other. Negroes in Africa do not care. South America, Australia, south Asia, maybe even the Chinese will not hurt if they do not rock the boat. There will be some economic shock after the disappearance of the dollar, but it will quickly be replaced by the renminbi. Nature, too, will not bark, except at the epicenters of 50 years.
            1. Starover_Z
              Starover_Z 4 June 2020 22: 18 New
              0
              Quote: MaikCG
              Well, so we will pour them on top of each other. Negroes in Africa do not care. South America, Australia, south Asia, maybe even the Chinese will not hurt if they do not rock the boat.

              And nuclear fallout will reach everyone and on all continents. And Chile with Argentina, South Africa and Australia will also get it, and I think even the penguins will get it ... And in a few hundred years, the penguins will fly to the equator ...
              1. Maikcg
                Maikcg 7 June 2020 19: 27 New
                0
                Nuclear precipitation even after Chernobyl did not give much, or after Fukushima, but with a fairly clean fusion, the precipitation will be from the ruins of chemical production and oil industry and all that, but also in a limited radius.
          2. Hermit21
            Hermit21 5 June 2020 08: 24 New
            0
            Will not be enough. For example, in the 80s, when the enemy had tens of thousands of NSNW units and completely different warhead capacities, the collapse of the USSR into 4 isolated regions was predicted. But not annihilation. Now, there’s no need to talk about something like this. The primary goals will be strategic military facilities, industrial and energy centers, and infrastructure facilities. Nobody will play around. Plus power - a maximum of 475 ct for Western SBN. But the Americans still have to leave for China, the combat value of the B-52N with the KR in the case of a power supply is doubtful. Of course, there is very little good, but there will be no death of civilization
      4. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 4 June 2020 12: 31 New
        0
        "...В случае ядерного замеса с планетой в итоге всё будет норм, и не такие катастрофы переживала.
        ..."
        - the stump is clear!
        After all, bacteria - they can be found in the soil (mines in South Africa) even at a depth of more than a kilometer ...
        - they will definitely survive.
        Life is generally a very persistent thing ...
        Especially at the bacteria level.
        8 - ((
    5. iouris
      iouris 3 June 2020 21: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Nothing good for anyone ...

      Do not scare the electorate.
      Ключевой вопрос: при какой администрации США и каком правительстве РФ мы всё скоро будем выживать в этом мире? Автор этот вопрос не рассматривает. Между тем, в США и в РФ в "элитах" идёт острая борьба, настолько острая, что кое-кого на этом повороте истории выбросят центробежные силы.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 June 2020 21: 56 New
        0
        там всегда идёт борьба, когда главный дряхлеет или ему хочется "повеселится", но этот "цирк" ни о чём, для нас, по крайне мере, у СИСТЕМЫ там всё схвачено, наглухо.
      2. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 4 June 2020 12: 46 New
        0
        "...Ключевой вопрос: при какой администрации США и каком правительстве РФ мы всё скоро будем выживать в этом мире?
        .. "
        - та МЫ-ВСЕ вот прям щщаз - и "выживаем" !!
        8-))
        - because in the biosphere there are only those types of organisms, ALL of whose ancestors could:
        1) survive
        2) leave offspring.
        - and NO OTHER organisms in the biosphere - DO NOT EXIST.
        Ну-вот ПРОСТО не существует. От слова "СОВСЕМ".
        Либо ты (твой геном) - смог оставить в биосфере потомство - свои копии (т.е. как говорится - "выжил"),
        Либо ты (и твой геном) - помер "бездетным" - НЕ оставив существовать в мире свои копии - потомство.

        - So, for example, to rid the biosphere of this kind of ... like, say, cats.
        You can do TWO (extreme, because there are still a lot of MIXED) ways.
        A) Either immediately exterminate / kill all the cats and cats.
        B) Or, which is no less effective, but only a few LONGER - just to castrate all cats.

        - and through ONE cat generation (a moment on the clock of the biosphere's history) - the results of both methods will be ABSOLUTELY identical.

        - and this is the MATCH that you need to know.
  2. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 3 June 2020 19: 34 New
    +1
    nothing will happen until a madman comes to power ...
    1. tanki-tanki
      tanki-tanki 3 June 2020 19: 45 New
      +2
      Let's hope that a madman does not come to power.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 June 2020 20: 09 New
        +1
        What if it comes ???
      2. audigamma
        audigamma 3 June 2020 20: 41 New
        +1
        Or go crazy with power
    2. Mitroha
      Mitroha 3 June 2020 19: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Pvi1206
      nothing will happen until a madman comes to power ...

      Sorry, India and Pakistan. They are certainly not crazy, but they act emotionally enough for unpredictability.
      Yes, the very same Israel, although it is giving up ownership ... But if the question arises about the existence of the state of Israel itself, I think there will be no doubt.
      Etc.
      That is, it is necessary to make sure that the country is the first to use nuclear weapons in an attack automatically and unconditionally lose statehood and contrast itself with the whole world.
      1. Sandor Clegane
        Sandor Clegane 3 June 2020 19: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Mitroha
        That is, it is necessary to make sure that the country is the first to use nuclear weapons in an attack automatically and unconditionally lose statehood and contrast itself with the whole world.

        imagine a situation where the American fleet simultaneously launches 1000 tomahawks across the Russian Federation .... we respond immediately with a vigorous club .... and there is no peace and no one to lose statehood ((
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 3 June 2020 20: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: Sandor Clegane

          imagine a situation where the American fleet simultaneously launches 1000 tomahawks across the Russian Federation .... we respond immediately with a vigorous club .... and there is no peace and no one to lose statehood ((

          If this happens, no contracts will be valid already. On the other hand, existing treaties would not stop this either.
          1. Sandor Clegane
            Sandor Clegane 3 June 2020 20: 03 New
            0
            Quote: Mitroha
            On the other hand, existing treaties would not stop this either.

            yes good
        2. +5
          +5 4 June 2020 09: 06 New
          -1
          Идиотская ситуация....во-первых, пустить "тыщу Томагавков", можно только стянув почти весь флот в упор к нашим границам и даже в этом случае пускать их придётся с час....все кораблики или вернут по звонку с угрозой утопить или утопят ТЯО ДО пуска Томагавков....ну и ущерба от тыщи ТОмагавков будет почти никакого в глобальном смысле.
          1. Sandor Clegane
            Sandor Clegane 4 June 2020 11: 45 New
            0
            Quote: 5-9
            Idiotic situation

            Have you ever bothered to count the number of carriers and missiles themselves, at least in the Pacific Ocean, near mattresses and yap? they’ll decide to wring out the islands and the scenario is very real
            1. +5
              +5 4 June 2020 14: 42 New
              0
              And do not fantasize, you need to look at what happened ... the most massive volleys in history are the recent 61 CRs with 2 EMs in almost an hour and 110 KRs in an hour and a half from 2 dozens of carriers .... the result is about zero .. .

              Whose islands to decide to overcome and who? In that region, there seems to be only one candidate for spin - Formosa, and the PRC will push it ...
              1. Sandor Clegane
                Sandor Clegane 4 June 2020 15: 46 New
                0
                Quote: 5-9
                And do not fantasize

                don't advise
      2. Maikcg
        Maikcg 3 June 2020 19: 59 New
        0
        А в обороне? А если в обороне допустимо, то как избежать фейкньюс и провокации? Сейчас можно легко "нарисовать" в СМИ правдоподобную атаку от противника и "ответить" со всей мощью МБР.
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 3 June 2020 20: 35 New
          0
          Quote: MaikCG
          А в обороне? А если в обороне допустимо, то как избежать фейкньюс и провокации? Сейчас можно легко "нарисовать" в СМИ правдоподобную атаку от противника и "ответить" со всей мощью МБР.

          Well, I did not write a draft contract winked but only his own view of the limitations in the future agreement. I think that even if they agree, the agreement will be discussed for five years.
    3. iouris
      iouris 3 June 2020 21: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Pvi1206
      until a madman comes to power ...

      Это невозможно. "Власть" - это не депутаты и не "чиновники". Допуск к рычагам государственной машины происходит после жёсткого отбора (не только на "национальном" уровне, ибо капитал не имеет национальных границ).
    4. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 4 June 2020 12: 53 New
      0
      "...
      nothing will happen until a madman comes to power ...
      ..."
      - unfortunately, it will be possible to establish this fact only POSTFACTUM.

      As they say - in the Predictors of the Future - there has never been and is not a lack.
      They were and are - SEA poured ...

      There was always only one problem - unfortunately it is impossible to say IN ADVANCE
      - WHOSE is the prediction - out of all of them - the correct ...
      8-)))
  3. Sergey39
    Sergey39 3 June 2020 19: 44 New
    0
    Trump will not be able to sign anything. Until it restores order with a firm hand.
    1. RESEARCHER
      RESEARCHER 3 June 2020 19: 47 New
      0
      Well, they say that Trump in America has white negroes lynching
    2. iouris
      iouris 4 June 2020 12: 04 New
      0
      Until Trump won (lost) in all states in the ruling circles there will be a reel, and champagne will be opened in any way.
  4. Machete
    Machete 3 June 2020 19: 51 New
    -1
    Still, short memory is among Amer politicians.
    Or forgot the Caribbean crisis?

    Or imagined that if there is no USSR, then no one will punish them if something happens?
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 4 June 2020 04: 43 New
      0
      Минус за "СССр".
    2. iouris
      iouris 4 June 2020 12: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Machete
      Or forgot the Caribbean crisis?

      What do you know about this? The Caribbean crisis has nothing to do with it. Better remember how Gorby capitulated to Malta. Why in Malta, why did you capitulate, you do not know?
    3. tikhonov66
      tikhonov66 4 June 2020 12: 55 New
      0
      "...Короткая всё же память у амерских политиков.
      Or forgot the Caribbean crisis?
      ..."
      - no longer than everyone.
      The memory disappears when those who know and remember DIE (from old age)
      - what is WORLD WAR.
  5. Doccor18
    Doccor18 3 June 2020 19: 52 New
    +1
    На этом фоне президент США Дональд Трамп заявил, что "намеревается подписать с Россией ядерный пакт"

    В этот "пакт" надо обязательно Китай втянуть, да не только по ЯО, но и по КР большой дальности. Вот тогда будет толк.
    1. kot423
      kot423 3 June 2020 20: 08 New
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      Sure, not a problem. After France, small-shaven and other vassals of mattress ...
  6. Hydrogen
    Hydrogen 3 June 2020 20: 08 New
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    Yes, because all countries with nuclear weapons should join all these agreements, and as soon as we are Americans. And the rest, like the Chinese, are silently building up all types of missiles, and nuclear weapons.
  7. Operator
    Operator 3 June 2020 20: 17 New
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    Trump expressed his common sense - a new nuclear arms limitation treaty should apply to all nuclear-weapon states without exception, plus a quota system (as of January 1, 2021) and monitoring quotas.

    And those nuclear countries (such as Israel) that refuse to enter into the treaty must be subjected to a complete transport, trade, economic, financial and other blockade.
  8. Hydrogen
    Hydrogen 3 June 2020 20: 25 New
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    In this matter, it’s good to support the United States, rather than express regrets. It is jointly and specifically to rebuke the Chinese, to put pressure on the United Nations. If some Americans are bustling, then there will be no use, narrow-eyed horseradish will be scratched.
    1. kot423
      kot423 3 June 2020 20: 31 New
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      In this matter, it is good to support the United States, and not express regrets.

      Write nonsense. Ask at your leisure what Russia is doing with warheads and what mattresses ... Agree with a sharpie, + who, under the fifth vassal with nuclear weapons, step on the same rake as with the bzhrk.
      1. Hydrogen
        Hydrogen 3 June 2020 20: 42 New
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        Да это понятно что они не совсем надежные "партнёры",но в этом деле нужно как-то договариватся,эначе к плохой ситуации мир идёт.Да и так сложилось что именно России и США должны эту проблему решать.Раздрожает реакция нашего наитемнейшего,всё время,мы сожалеем,мы готовы возобновить и т.д.Боится твёрдо сказать,что договор устарел,мир меняется,ключевых владельцев ЯО стало больше,и опасность безконтрольного распростронения и владения ЯО сильно выросла.
        1. kot423
          kot423 3 June 2020 22: 06 New
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          .It annoys the reaction of our darkest, all the time, we are sorry, we are ready to resume, etc.

          Раздражает именно вас? Попейте успокоительного, т.к. реакция на понты матрасов "мы выйдем, мы не продлим" в мире делает репутацию самих матрасов, как недоговороспособной страны. В отличии от того, что Россия не против, но... "они же не хотят, а мы миролюбивая страна, силой не заставляем" и репутация на этом фоне идет в плюс, а не в минус. И не путайте теплое с мягким - то, что надо привлекать другие страны - не означает, что надо это делать с недоговороспособным шулером.
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  10. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 3 June 2020 20: 42 New
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    Now there are not enough charges for mutual destruction, especially for the whole world. With the rejection of START3, the number of charges will increase to the level of the complete annihilation of mankind. Trump is inadequate.
  11. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 3 June 2020 20: 46 New
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    In view of the fact that the United States possesses nuclear weapons and chaos is happening in the states, I propose introducing the UN contingent into the territory of the stronghold of democracy.
  12. impostor
    impostor 3 June 2020 21: 03 New
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    Полякам и румынам стоит внимательно ознакомиться с подпунктом "в" пункта 19 355-ого указа. Это гарантированное devastation
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 3 June 2020 21: 24 New
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    I think Trump wants to sign a new START 3/4/5 treaty (the name is not so important), make the whole sense of this treaty, pass off as another jerk, victory. (Which reminds Ukraine, if there is no victory, it can be invented) Remember as troops with afghanistan withdrawn with pathos (essentially escaped from the country), under the gallant talk about the victory over terrorism
  14. codetalker
    codetalker 3 June 2020 21: 50 New
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    I think for humanity as a whole, the non-proliferation treaty is more important. It would be interesting to see what the withdrawal of strategic offensive arms from its participants could lead to. What is the military-industrial potential of Russia and the USA regarding the area of ​​strategic nuclear forces? Is there an opportunity (and need?) To dramatically increase the number of carriers and warheads?
  15. AlexG83
    AlexG83 3 June 2020 22: 25 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    Let's save the planet for posterity

    American ...
  16. Old26
    Old26 4 June 2020 18: 00 New
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    Quote: Mitroha
    That is, it is necessary to make sure that the country is the first to use nuclear weapons in an attack automatically and unconditionally lose statehood and contrast itself with the whole world.

    Если взять ваш пример и рассмотреть тот же Израиль и его соседей, то может быть (гипотетически) ситуация, что против Израиля ополчаться все соседи, И против него попрут иранцы, иракцы, сирийцы, египтяне, саудовцы, иорданцы. Первыми нанесут удар (неядерный). Но чтобы остаться государством и не быть разорванными на "тысячи кусков" Израиль вынужден будет применить свое ЯО. Результат? Ставшая объектом агрессии страна еще и теряет государственность? Хотя не она была инициатором этой бойни.
    Второй вариант. На Россию попер Китай с его почти двухмиллиардным населением. Чтобы остаться государством Россия наносит пусть и ограниченный (в несколько сотен зарядов) ядерный удар. Согласно вашей логике Россия должна безоговорочно и автоматически терять свою государственность и быть изгое для всего мира? Являясь при этом объектом нападения. Для Китая потеря, к примеру 200-300 миллионов человек - совершенно приемлемая потеря. Заодно и после потери Россией государственности "отдербанет" себя "кусочек" до Урала...
  17. Old26
    Old26 4 June 2020 20: 13 New
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    Quote: codetalker
    I think for humanity as a whole, the non-proliferation treaty is more important. It would be interesting to see what the withdrawal of strategic offensive arms from its participants could lead to. What is the military-industrial potential of Russia and the USA regarding the area of ​​strategic nuclear forces? Is there an opportunity (and need?) To dramatically increase the number of carriers and warheads?

    Вероятнее всего да. Договор о нераспространении - краеугольный камень всего. Сейчас в мире порядка 30 т.н. "пороговых" стран, способных в течение короткого времени создать собственное ядерное оружие. Чуть меньше стран, способных создать средства доставки.

    A.Abandoning strategic offensive arms I think this is most relevant to the realm of fiction. Too different tasks are solved by such a weapon. Let's look at it in reverse order. Let's start with the DPRK.

    1. DPRK. This country is unlikely to abandon its WMD. For it understands that the presence of a certain amount of its own nuclear weapons is not even 100%, but protection from aggression by neighbors. It is unlikely that China will now send millions of its volunteers there. The ideological component is not the main thing in China now. So North Korea will definitely say no to a complete rejection of strategic offensive arms

    2. China. It is unlikely that it will abandon strategic offensive arms, although from the point of view of the mass population and the army, this option is real if others go for it

    3/4. Индия и Пакистан. В отсутствии ЯО у Пакистана Индия может "чисто технически" (из-за количества своего
    населения) "задавить" Пакистан. Поэтому однозначно Пакистан будет против. Индия будет проти уничтожения СНВ еще из-за того, что у нее есть второй сосед, с кем у нее есть территориальные "терки" - Китай.

    5. Израиль.Хотя шансов создания единого арабо-персидского фронта против него стремится к нулю, но чем черт не шутит? Вдруг появится в обозримом будущем некто, кто сможет объединить "необъединяемое" под общими знаменами. Для Израиля ядерное оружие - это страховой полис именно на такой случай.

    6/7. France and Britain. The nuclear forces of these two countries are extremely small. An adversary for whom their nuclear weapons would act as a brake is also not observed. So it is quite possible they could go for nuclear disarmament.

    8. США. Чисто технически они смогут это сделать достаточно безболезненно. Флота, способного осуществить вторжение на американский континент нет ни у кого. Соседи у них настолько слабы в военном отношении, что их можно не принимать в расчетах. Канада же вообще союзник. Страна находится "за океанами" и может не опасаться агрессии с чьей либо стороны.

    9. Россия. А для России наличие СНВ жизненно необходимо ибо соседи у нее такие, что без ЯО порвут нас на куски. На востоке двухмиллиардный Китай и та же Япония, которая не прочь бы прибрать к рукам не только Курильские острова но и другие территории. В центральной части (на юге) многомиллионный фундаменталистский Иран, который мечтает стать "гегемоном" хотя бы в этом регионе. А в южном подбрюшье у нас бывшие республики Средней Азии. . На Кавказе - Турция. Которая сейчас не может пойти войной против ядерной России, постаравшись оттяпать закавказские республики. А без ЯО? Ну и западное направление. Европа, точнее страны НАТО которые превосходят нас по всем параметрам. И в количестве личного состава, и в количестве населения, и в количестве вооружения, и в количестве и качестве промышленного потенциала. Так что Росссия скорее всего будет против всеобщего уничтожения ядерного оружия...

    B. Что будет у США и России в случае если договор СНВ-3 "умрет"?
    1/2. In the near future, there will be no sudden movements. The only thing that can possibly increase is the number of nuclear weapons in the main players - Russia and the USA. There will be no sharp increase in YBG and carriers

    3/4. Наращивание ядерного потенциала у Франции, Британии - маловероятно. У них нет не то что триады. но даже диады. Бомбардировочная авиация, такая, как в России и США отсутствует как факт. Наземных средств доставки пока нет. Количество лодок крайне ограничено. Единственное, что они, в частности Британия может сделать, 2догрузить" сови БРПЛ из того резерва, что у нее есть

    5. China will be able to increase its strategic offensive arms, but not at times. Although the number of BGs in them is officially IMHO underestimated, they can deploy a number of strategic carriers. And land-based, and air, and sea. The biggest disadvantage in China is that when they create their strategic missile forces, they do not test them at maximum range and with maximum load. That is, they also have ICBMs with a range of 12000, and they tested a maximum of 3500-4000 km. Like SLBMs.

    6/7. India. It is not limited, like Pakistan to any treaties, but a major buildup of strategic ground forces is hardly to be expected. Is it just some buildup of ICBMs against China. For Pakistan, the BRDS, which both sides have, is also suitable. India is trying to create, if not a triad, then at least build boats with SLBMs. Though not yet with a very long range.

    8. DPRK. A sharp increase in START carriers is hardly possible. And even more so, a sharp buildup of warheads for them.

    9. Израиль. В принципе у Израиля уже есть некое подобие "ядерной триады", зотя авиация и не стратегическая, а на ПЛ ракеты не баллистические. Теоретически наврное может увеличить свой потенциал, но не значительно

    В. Прекращение действия договора о запрете ядерных испытаний. Вот он может подвигнуть некоторые страны ("пороговые" заняться разработков собственно го ядерного оружия. Среди таких стран - Иран, Саудовская Аравия, возможно Япония и Южная Корея
  18. Dron_sk
    Dron_sk 5 June 2020 18: 04 New
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    The habitual strategy of Americans who love poker and bluffing is to demonstrate their superiority, tense the atmosphere to the limit, and then knock out the best conditions for themselves. Obviously, Russia needs these treaties more, because the Russian Federation has never acted as an aggressor, unlike the United States, plus Russia is weaker economically and cannot afford another arms race. And everyone understands this and Russia itself does not hide the fact that it needs these agreements, since we show everyone that they are ready to go to agreements and dialogue. And the USA is flirting with its superiority. But after all, nuclear weapons are not a toy ... It is clear that the US is striving to connect China to its main economic rival. It is clear that China’s desire not to limit itself to this treaty, since they have close parity with the United States in this component, and they don’t want to rely on the Russian Federation only. Let's see how this tangle of contradictions will unravel ...
  19. Alexander Yaroshenko
    Alexander Yaroshenko 6 June 2020 04: 33 New
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    Yes, Pupkin himself so harbored the udder potential remaining from the USSR, reducing Satan to 40 pieces and destroying Molodets, so that the Americans now have his cartoons on the drum