Israel tested LORA tactical missile by deploying on a civilian ship

The Israeli military completed the testing of a new operational-tactical missile system. It consists of a launcher and single-stage solid fuel ballistic missiles LORA.

This was reported on the official portal of the IAI concern ("Israeli aviation industry ”), which is a manufacturer of these complexes.

The tests in Israel were observed at the highest state level. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu commented on this information, calling it “good news for Israel and bad for the enemies ":

In parallel with the fight against coronavirus, we continue to ensure the security of Israel, both by defense and by attack.

Test firing was carried out in the open sea. In addition to the Israeli military, they were attended by potential buyers weapons. It is not known which countries plan to supply the missile system. There is only information about the contract for the supply of LORA to Azerbaijan.

Shooting was shot on video.

Two shots were fired. The military deployed a mobile launcher placed on a civilian ship. One of the missiles was launched 90 kilometers, and the second - 400.

Comments

[Skay]

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu commented on this information, calling it “good news for Israel and bad news for enemies”

In my opinion this is bad news for Israel, for it gives its enemies an iron argument for the destruction of any large civilian watercraft flying the six-pointed flag.

[svp67]

Quote: Skay

In my opinion, this is bad news for Israel, because it gives its enemies an iron argument for the destruction of any civilian craft under the six-pointed flag.

In vain you are, any ship that will be destroyed - "casus bella".
I've been expecting something like this for a long time, especially with the advent of missile systems sheltered in ordinary sea containers

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

In vain you are, any ship that will be destroyed - "casus bella".

Unless this complex falls into the hands of the "monkey with a grenade."

[svp67]

Quote: tihonmarine

Unless this complex falls into the hands of the "monkey with a grenade."

Under the six-pointed star?

[Tatyana]

Israel tested LORA tactical missile by deploying on a civilian ship

Firstly. It seems that Israel has decided to sell its weapons to third countries that do not even have their own navy!

Secondly. It seems that Israel has groped and found its niche in the civil shipping market for the demand for its military products.

[Tatyana]

Israel tested LORA tactical missile by deploying on a CIVIL ship

Simply put, such an undertaking by the Israeli authorities suggests a beginning - gives rise to a start - by sinking all the major civilian ships of the merchant fleet in the world!

Netanyahu is still a militarist and military provocateur in the world!

[Normal ok]

Quote: Tatiana

Israel tested LORA tactical missile by deploying on a CIVIL ship

Simply put, such an undertaking by the Israeli authorities suggests a beginning - gives rise to a start - by sinking all the major civilian ships of the merchant fleet in the world!

Netanyahu is still a militarist and military provocateur in the world!

Firstly, they began to disguise missiles (and not even OTRK, but strategic ones with a nuclear warhead) as civilian cargo back in the USSR! Second, Russia and China are already doing this. And thirdly, in the video, anyone who "has eyes" can see that the complex is not a marine but an automobile one. They just shoot him from a barge.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Normal ok

And thirdly, in the video, anyone who "has eyes" can see that the complex is not a marine but an automobile one. They just shoot him from a barge.

No difference! The main thing is that this idea was submitted by Israel with open arms.

Quote: Normal ok

First of all, they began to disguise missiles (and not even OTRKs but strategic ones with a nuclear warhead) under civilian load in the USSR! Secondly, Russia and China are already doing this.

Firstly. The USSR has long ceased to exist.
And secondly. And that this disguised Soviet cargo ever shot directly from civilian ships? I've never heard of this.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tatiana

No difference! The main thing is that this idea was submitted by Israel with open arms.

Tatyana, well, you wouldn’t write about military topics.

Firstly. The USSR has long ceased to exist.
And secondly. And that this disguised Soviet cargo ever shot directly from civilian ships? I've never heard of such a thing.

"There are many such things Horatio's friend ..."

[avib]

That's right. Where in Israel can you shoot for 400 km? We loaded the launch platform / truck onto the ship and launched it somewhere at sea. So what to do? Although, here is a hint to some people - you can launch it from ships.

[Tatyana]

Quote: avib

Although, here is a hint to some people - you can launch it from ships.

It would be nice to shoot from warships, for in the modern sense, the ship is a large naval ship!
But it’s because in this case about shooting precisely from a CIVIL ship !!!

This is precisely the whole marketing essence of Israel's "market" innovation!

And in order to increase sales of its weapons and in the pursuit of profit, Israel is cynically ready to sacrifice peace on the planet! And the militarist Netanyahu is very happy about this and he approves!

This is an occasion for proceedings in the UN Security Council.

[Alex777]

You strongly dislike Israel?
There are our compatriots and former and current 1,5 million people. And they treat us very well.
And the UN has lost its meaning.
Arms are banned in Libya.
Try better Turks to hold accountable.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Alex777

You strongly dislike Israel?

You have a strange question. And why should I love him?

Quote: Alex777

There are our compatriots and former and current 1,5 million people.

And what from this?

And they treat us very well.

Does not look like it!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tatiana

Does not look like it!

How comes around ......

[Threaded screw]

How comes around ......

I decided to threaten the girls, do you want to personally communicate with me?

[borberd]

There most likely far from a girl. How is Galich -

"The Israeli, - I say, - the military, Known throughout the world!
Like a mother, I say, and like a woman
I demand them to answer! "

Apparently, your health is excellent, to win all adversaries on the Internet .

[Threaded screw]

on the internet of all adversaries win lol.

Someone else must do this thankless job

[Vitaly gusin]

And they treat us very well.
Does not look like it!
I REPLIED How comes around ......

Quote: Threaded screw

I decided to threaten the girls, do you want to personally communicate with me?

1 I ask you not to poke!
2 What have you combed?
On the subject, please.

[Alex777]

So what about the Turks? Where is your indignation?

And they treat us very well.
Does not look like it!

Along the way, have you ever been able to visit Israel?
Otherwise there would be no such statements.

[Shurik70]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Skay

In my opinion, this is bad news for Israel, because it gives its enemies an iron argument for the destruction of any civilian craft under the six-pointed flag.

In vain you are, any ship that will be destroyed - "casus bella".

What other "casus bella" if Israel is bombing anyone it wants. Without any incidents.
And with Syria, in general, he quite officially considers himself at war with some shaggy year.

[Alexey Ilyin]

Iran openly threatens to destroy Israel and is trying to create its missile bridgehead in Syria. Therefore, Israel cuts off Iranian missile tentacles on Syrian soil. Syria itself also always sponsored anti-Israeli terrorist groups, including Hezbollah and, unlike Egypt, did not go to the world with Israel. In a recent interview with RT, Bashar al-Assad said that they in Syria do not recognize the existence of the Israeli people. So they get what they deserve. Although the vast majority of Israeli attacks are carried out on Iranians, their proxies and their targets on the territory of Syria, and not on the Syrians themselves, but when the Syrians meet, they also fall under the hand. In short, the Assad regime is an accomplice to the Iranian regime, and the accomplice of the offender is responsible for the crime just like the offender himself. In this case, the offender is Iran, and the accomplice is Syria. So much for a damn.

[Elephant]

Quote: Alex777

You strongly dislike Israel?

Similar toys in the hands of Israel can easily provoke a military conflict and even a big war. To commit meanness and provocation is their calling card. I can recall how the Russian Il-20 in Syria was put under attack by the Israeli Air Force.

[Alex777]

The Israelis shot down the IL-20?
No. Everything else is husk.
Very sorry for our pilots. I have no words.
To speculate on a tragedy is an unworthy occupation.

Similar toys in the hands of Israel can easily provoke a military conflict and even a big war.

Komsomolets flyer?
Israel has a lot of things in its hands, right up to the TNW.
If you read - who started the war there - it will be easier to live. Calm down.
Israel won all wars. Fact. Our immigrants with Afghan experience were involved in a pinch. They were very severe.
I am not the protector of Israel.
Just explaining how things are.

[Alexey Ilyin]

Israel has much more serious toys. No one in their right mind, except for terrorists, will use a barge when there are warships. There is no need for this and this is stupid because it exposes the crew of such a vessel to the threat of imminent death. In this case, improvised means were used to demonstrate the capabilities of the rocket and nothing more.
As for the downing of the IL-20, this is a consequence of the negligence of the Russian military commanders in Syria and the stupidity of their Syrian fosterlings. Israel is completely unacceptable there and even honest and decent Russian military pilots and air defense officers recognized this. The F-16 pilot would not be able to hide behind Ilom-20 on a collision course (which was the case) even if desired - this is said by professionals. Plus, Israel did not have the slightest incentive to spoil good relations with the Russian Federation. But through the mouth of MORF, Konashenkov spread a deliberate lie to preserve the honor of his uniform and showed great meanness, trying to blame his guilt on another. The Kremlin knows this very well and therefore let the whole thing down on the brakes. The coordination between the Russian and Israeli military in Syria was not interrupted for a single day. That says a lot. Actions are more important than words.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Tatiana

But the point is that in this case we are talking about firing from a CIVIL ship !!!

Madam, let's dot the I's.
An armed "civilian ship" ceases to be such and becomes a military one. The Germans had such "raiders" such as the famous "Orion". We have "patrol" ships of the "Sibiryakov" type, which entered the battle with the heavy German cruiser "Admiral Scheer", but did not lower the flag.
Therefore, any ship, having installed on board a launcher with a missile system, becomes a "combatant" and loses the immunity of a "civil" ship. The sinking of such a "ship" will no longer be considered by the m. Military court as an act of piracy.

[Elephant]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Therefore, any ship, having installed on board a launcher with a missile system, becomes a "combatant" and loses the immunity of a "civil" ship.

Well, who will determine this, is there a missile launcher on a civilian ship?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

But the point is that in this case we are talking about firing from a CIVIL ship !!! ... Tanyusha (with respect). you read the fonkland showdown. or as its Argetinians call the Maldives tragedy, and you will understand everything. there the main role was played not by battleships. destroyers. aircraft carriers and stuff and dry cargo ships. tankers and lighters (container carriers). that’s how it is, and so far no one has canceled it, so it’s not worth it to stifle the Jews about this and it’s empty

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tatiana

Simply put, such an undertaking by the Israeli authorities suggests a beginning - gives rise to a start - by sinking all the major civilian ships of the merchant fleet in the world!

This can be done much easier and much cheaper.

[Elephant]

Quote: tihonmarine

This can be done much easier and much cheaper.

Shaw, is it cheaper to hire pirates? ))). But seriously, of course this weapon is not for sinking the entire merchant fleet, as Tatyana claims. But it is clearly suitable for carrying out provocations against geopolitical opponents, Iran and others.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Elephant

But it is clearly suitable for carrying out provocations against geopolitical opponents, Iran and others.

This can be said about any type of weapon. And the Israelis can be envied, they have a lot of innovations, the country is small, and practically all weapons have their own production, and not even bad.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tatiana

Simply put, such an undertaking by the Israeli authorities suggests a beginning - gives rise to a start - by sinking all the major civilian ships of the merchant fleet in the world!

Netanyahu is still a militarist and military provocateur in the world!

Steam released, feel better?
A NOW AS AN EXISTENCE.
Azerbaijan demonstrated its recently acquired LORA artillery system during a visit by the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces Ilham Aliyev, to the new military unit of the Missile Forces of the Ministry of Defense.

And suddenly on wheels (look carefully at the clip), or maybe on a ship, or maybe on any platform
And the launch was carried out from the offshore platform since there is no place for testing in Israel and to reduce the number of people due to the crown.

[210ox]

Tatyana, by the way, we can be called pioneers in this matter. Back in the 50s there were proposals to deploy a powerful warhead on a merchant ship. And now, why not place the complexes in the same wagons or ships supposedly civilian. Remember a few years ago we showed our complex in a sea container.

[Tatyana]

Quote: 210kv
Remember a few years ago we showed our complex in a sea container.

Firstly, I don’t remember.
And secondly, it was unlikely that he was there to the container to shoot from there!
TRANSPORTATION OF WEAPONS AND ITS USE ON A CIVILIAN ship are two DIFFERENT things!

And now we have an aggravation of the international situation at the initiative of Washington / USA.
At a time when the US is intensifying in the TRADE WAR with the same China in the Pacific, as well as with Japan’s increased claims to the Russian Federation for the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin with constant contraband fishing by the Japanese in Russian waters, the data show the aspirations of Israel, the US ally in the BV and at the UN, - they should cause and cause SPECIAL suspicions!
Why not understand something here ?!

[AUL]

Quote: Tatiana

Firstly, I don’t remember.
And secondly, it was unlikely that he was there to the container to shoot from there!
TRANSPORTATION OF WEAPONS AND ITS USE ON A CIVILIAN ship are two DIFFERENT things!

Tatyana, you have already been advised that the military theme is not yours. Well, not yours at all. I fully subscribe to this opinion. You should read first about Clabs, and then - DO NOT write!

[Tatyana]

Quote from AUL

military topics are not yours

I will tell you frankly the same.
What are the fundamental classical issues of political marketing marketing no matter what - namely, how the product is brought to market - this is not yours either!

[AUL]

Quote: Tatiana

And the issues of political marketing in trade no matter what - namely, how the product is brought to the market - is also not yours!

Well, if this is your strong point - write about this topic! And about the "pieces of iron" - no need, do not disgrace yourself!

[Tatyana]

And I do not disgrace. You simply did not read the essence of my rationale.
You are considering the missile system itself. And I see in the nonsense of its use from the platform of a merchant ship by Israel as a successful marketing move - trade know-how - to expand its sales and the possibility of getting it into private hands - the so-called. "monkeys with a grenade".

[borberd]

Exactly what a shame. They explained to you several times that the Israelis in the installation of missile launch containers on bulk carriers are far from pioneers. But you, with tenacity worthy of a better application, broadcast the same thing, and off topic.

[Tatyana]

Quote: borberd

Exactly what a shame. They explained to you several times that the Israelis in the installation of missile launch containers on bulk carriers are far from pioneers. But you, with tenacity worthy of a better application, broadcast the same thing, and off topic.

It is you who are not "catching up" with what is being discussed, and you are trying, together with the Israelis, to divert attention away from the problematic essence of the DEMONSTRATION of the Israeli ROK from the platform of a CIVIL ship before the TRADE deal.

Read carefully my comments and the comments of those participants who understand the essence of the problem and think the same way as I do!
I read all the comments and I won’t change my point of view, because as a marketer I’m right. And just right.

[boss]

But what's the difference where, for example, hail to shoot?
They explained to you that there is no problem in using a civilian ship; it simply ceases to be peaceful.
In the same article, the firing range of 400 km was indicated and that there is simply NO such distance for safe trials in Israel.
Why did you decide that this is marketing, and not a necessary measure, I won’t think

[Tatyana]

Quote: patron

Why did you decide that this is marketing, and not a necessary measure, I won’t think

Because this is the real MARKETING, because this "" forced measure "is connected precisely:
1) with TRADE (!) WEAPONS ()
2) and with the DEMONSTRATION by the PURCHASE trader (!)
You will not deny the fact that Israel under the guise of testing in this demonstrated a "purchase" to a buyer - Azerbaijan?
There would not be an act of sale and purchase, it could still be justified by a necessary measure to test new products.
But no! And again no! MARKETING is present! Why not understand something here?
The "Washington Regional Committee" would raise a howl and impose sanctions against Russia or Iran, the DPRK and other countries !!! And again SANCTIONS !!! And Israel is "HOLY"! "FAVORITES" can do anything!

[Tatyana]

Quote: patron
Why did you decide that this is marketing, and not a necessary measure, I won’t think

Because this is pure marketing under the flag of "FORCED action!
The article says

Test firing was carried out in the open sea. Besides the Israeli military, They were attended by potential buyers of weapons. It is not known which countries plan to supply the missile system. There is only information about the contract for the supply of LORA to Azerbaijan.

And that's it.

Moreover, in political marketing, at the same time, the DOUBLE STANDARDS of the "collective West" in relation to the construction in Germany by Russia are outraged. "SP-2", which, unlike weapons, does not shoot at all!
The marketing situation with coercive measures in Israel and the Russian Federation is after all the same. Namely.

Russia has gas contracts for gas supplies to Europe, and Russia’s - nosebleeds - must be implemented. However, Bandera Ukraine is stealing the Russian transportation of Russian gas to Europe in commonwealth with the same Poland. And everyone knows this well.
What is Russia forced to do? FORCED to build "SP-2" bypassing Bandera all Ukraine.
Recognizes Washington Regional Committee FORCED MEASURES OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION IN CONSTRUCTION OF SP-2 BYPASSING UKRAINE? No, does not recognize! On the contrary, the United States themselves provoke them.
Why then should we recognize Israel's “FORCED MEASURES” to test their weapons in case of SURPRISE trade transactions for the sale of their weapons to other countries? Should not be in principle! Not to mention the military side of things.

[Alexey Ilyin]

Tatyana, you’re just pulling this case wherever it belongs. Well, don’t need to pull the owl on the globe. It hurts her.

[Hydrogen]

And how to react in this case to our special train of the Strategic Missile Forces. This gives an occasion to our enemies to destroy any civilian personnel.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Hydrogen

And how to react in this case to our special train of the Strategic Missile Forces. This gives an occasion to our enemies to destroy any civilian personnel.

During the Second World War, all enemy trains on both sides were destroyed. But this is during the war!

And now our special train of the Strategic Missile Forces is moving along its own - RUSSIAN - territory!
And the marketing know-how of Israel in this case is such that the launcher can be used from a civilian vessel to attack foreign merchant ships and warships in international NEUTRAL waters!
This is an occasion to start the HOT phase of conducting a NEW war between countries!

[Hydrogen]

In cases of World War II, the line between civilian and military transport will be washed away, as it was in WWII. In local conflicts, I don’t think that all civilian vessels will be at risk. The launch of a rocket in the prince can be freely calculated.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Tatiana

Israel tested LORA tactical missile by deploying on a CIVIL ship

Simply put, such an undertaking by the Israeli authorities suggests a beginning - gives rise to a start - by sinking all the major civilian ships of the merchant fleet in the world!

Netanyahu is still a militarist and military provocateur in the world!

I wonder what they say to these tests in the overseas "regional committee"? If Russia conducted tests of its Club missiles at sea, from their TPK similar to ordinary containers, this would, I think, start a universal screeching, but now what will they say?

[AUL]

Quote: Tatiana

Firstly....

First, where did you get the idea that these missiles are purely naval weapons? They were only tested from the ship!
Secondly, where is the civil shipping market, and where is the arms trade? And the demand for their military products is already quite large.
And finally, are you sure that Azerbaijan does not have its own Navy?

[Tatyana]

Quote from AUL

First, where did you get the idea that these missiles are purely naval weapons?

No difference! The main thing is that Israel has proved that the missile system can also be used in marine conditions!

Quote from AUL

Are you sure that Azerbaijan does not have its own navy?

Yes, Azerbaijan just bothers me the least!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Tatiana

Yes, Azerbaijan just bothers me the least!

What about marketing?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Quote: Tatiana

Yes, Azerbaijan just bothers me the least!

What about marketing?

In the sense of marketing, I already wrote which particular regions, from a political point of view, I now care most about and why. Namely the Mediterranean and the Pacific.

Quote: Tatiana

And now we have an aggravation of the international situation at the initiative of Washington / USA. At a time when the US is intensifying in the TRADE WAR with China in the Pacific region, as well as with Japan’s growing claims to the Russian Federation on the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin with constant contraband fishing by the Japanese in Russian waters, the data of the aspirations of Israel - the US ally in the BV and the UN - should arouse and cause SPECIAL suspicions! Why not understand something here ?!

[Alexey Ilyin]

Azerbaijan has a fleet on the Caspian Sea. He is small, but he is. And here is civil shipping? The Israelis simply demonstrated the live use of the rocket, using improvised means for this.
The missile and its characteristics are important, not the ship from which it is launched. In any fleet, a missile will be installed on warships.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Alexey Ilyin
Azerbaijan has a fleet on the Caspian Sea. He is small, but he is. And here is civil shipping? The Israelis simply demonstrated the live use of the rocket, using improvised means for this.
The missile and its characteristics are important, not the ship from which it is launched. In any fleet, a missile will be installed on warships.

The problem is deeper than you think. And I already answered everyone this question.
It's all about conniving military-political marketing on the part of Israel, as well as the United States and the "collective West" in general, against Russia! Namely.

Quote: patron
Why did you decide that this is marketing, and not a necessary measure, I won’t think

Because this is pure marketing under the flag of "FORCED action!
The article says

Test firing was carried out in the open sea. In addition to the Israeli military, they were attended by potential buyers of weapons. It is not known which countries plan to supply the missile system. There is only information about the contract for the supply of LORA to Azerbaijan.

And that's it.

Moreover, in political marketing, the DUAL STANDARDS of the "collective West" in relation to the construction of "SP-2" in Germany by Russia, which, unlike weapons, does not shoot at all, is also outraged!
The marketing situation with coercive measures in Israel and the Russian Federation is after all the same. Namely.

Russia has gas contracts for gas supplies to Europe, and Russia’s - nosebleeds - must be implemented. However, Bandera Ukraine is stealing the Russian transportation of Russian gas to Europe in commonwealth with the same Poland. And everyone knows this well.
What is Russia forced to do? FORCED to build "SP-2" bypassing Bandera Ukraine.
Recognizes Washington Regional Committee FORCED MEASURES OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION IN CONSTRUCTION OF SP-2 BYPASSING UKRAINE? No, does not recognize! On the contrary, the United States themselves provoke them.
Why, then, should we recognize Israel's “FORCED MEASURES” for testing its weapons with Israel CONCLUDING trade deals to sell its weapons to other countries? Should not be in principle! Not to mention the military side of things.

[max702]

Quote: svp67

Quote: tihonmarine

Unless this complex falls into the hands of the "monkey with a grenade."

Under the six-pointed star?

Here the answer is simple ..

[Oden280]

He is already in their hands.

[mitroha]

Americans planning ammunition on transport sides, OTR Israelis on civilian ships.
As I understand it, in conflicts any side of the enemy, flying or floating, will soon be destroyed. For they will be equated with military ones, due to the potential presence of strike weapons

[really]

It has always been so.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

A bit wrong. This is a new round of military technology. Why build warships if weapons can be placed on a simple barge? Progress has come to the point that you do not need to store all the eggs in one basket (boat, ship). On one ship planes. On another EW. On the third air defense system. In fact, the ship was divided into independent compartments with a narrow specification. And this must have greatly reduced the cost and vitality. If each system is two or three? How to drown the whole group? If to drown an aircraft carrier is a problem, then to drown such an assembly spaced into different vessels is probably not realistic at all!

[Alexey Ilyin]

Missiles on a barge mean the inevitable loss of crew. Only terrorists can do this, but not the Armed Forces of the country.

[Professor]

Quote: Mitroha

Americans planning ammunition on transport sides, OTR Israelis on civilian ships.
As I understand it, in conflicts any side of the enemy, flying or floating, will soon be destroyed. For they will be equated with military ones, due to the potential presence of strike weapons

Are you talking about disguising the PU ICBMs as refrigerators on wheels?

[Skay]

I've been expecting something like this for a long time, especially with the advent of missile systems sheltered in ordinary sea containers

Yes, such complexes have been around for a long time. Even with us. But, EMNIP, it is prohibited by international laws to arm civilian vessels. Israel took a dangerous step.

[aszzz888]

Skay (Sergey) Today, 09:53 NEW
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I've been expecting something like this for a long time, especially with the advent of missile systems sheltered in ordinary sea containers

Yes, such complexes have been around for a long time. Even with us. But, EMNIP, it is prohibited by international laws to arm civilian vessels. Israel took a dangerous step.

On their allies, mericatos equal.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Prohibited!? Who can object to this? Foreign legions is how? PMC how? Is it progress or struggle? What can be opposed and who will do it? Ukraine against? Balts against? What are the countermeasures? The arrest of Israeli accounts? The ban on the supply of products from Israel? The deportation of the Jews? What does it mean forbidden? We are forbidden to ride without a license. But Baghdasaryan is driving! A lifelong presidency seems to have been banned!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Skay

Yes, such complexes have been around for a long time.

Yes, a similar Iskander 3, but there is a set of guidance systems, including satellite reconnaissance (spy)

[AUL]

Quote: Skay

But, EMNIP, it is prohibited by international laws to arm civilian vessels. Israel took a dangerous step.

And why did you suddenly decide that the barge with which the rocket was launched does not belong to the Israeli Navy?

[opus]

Quote from AUL

Doesn't belong to the Israeli Navy?

not belong

a land mobile launcher was placed on a civilian ship.

Due to COVID-19 limitations, the test was conducted using the mobile testing area.
The test was conducted on the high seas to demonstrate LORA features to IAI client.

[Alexey Ilyin]

This is no dangerous step. This is just the use of improvised tools (barges) to demonstrate the capabilities of this system.

[Olgovich]

Quote: svp67

You shouldn't have it, any ship that will be destroyed - "case belle".

did Israel ever get confused by such nonsense?

Quote: svp67

I've been expecting something like this for a long time, especially with the advent of missile systems sheltered in ordinary sea containers

yes, the world has become even more fragile: suspicion, uncertainty will grow. fear and unforeseen, spontaneous reactions

[NEXUS]

Quote: svp67

I've been expecting something like this for a long time, especially with the advent of missile systems sheltered in ordinary sea containers

And here the question comes back to our container complexes with Caliber.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: svp67

I've been expecting something like this for a long time, especially with the advent of missile systems sheltered in ordinary sea containers

But note, this is no different from the privateers / auxiliary cruisers of both WWI and WWII times, right? And at this stage (their application), everyone has long spit on the "casus belli" - mochilovo is in full swing.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Skay

In my opinion this is bad news for Israel, for it gives its enemies an iron argument for the destruction of any large civilian watercraft flying the six-pointed flag.

And under any other? We simply do not have training grounds where we could test OTR of such a range.

[Skay]

And under any other?

And under any other who repeats this experience. But you first started.

[Alex777]

Do you have reliable information?

[Alexey Ilyin]

First? Surround yourself. Many others began to do this a long time ago, including the USSR / RF. Yes, and this essentially does not mean anything. For the use of such funds, they would never have been shown to the whole world, but would have been tested quietly. In this case, it’s just marketing a rocket, not a barge.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

We simply do not have training grounds where we could test OTR of such a range.

Nishtyak excuse. But will he agree to use the landfill in the USA - no, no? Or from South Africa? experience with testing what you don’t have, but what you will definitely apply. Although I hope such tests will give an impetus to our container Club (Caliber). And then something was made up for him.

[borberd]

With South Africa, after the blacks came to power, there are no relations at all. It’s expensive to transport to the USA. And then they went to sea, announced the site as a closed military zone, and tested it. Why complicate it?

[antivirus]

We simply do not have training grounds where we could test OTR of such a range.

--- tankers and gas carriers? all under suspicion of Iran!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

We simply do not have training grounds where we could test OTR of such a range.

Well, that’s the whole story. Why tantrums escalate is incomprehensible.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Come on, get pissed off, no polygons! And Ukraine ?! Ukraine is not under the external control of Israel? The Russian city of Odessa stably gives out Jewish humor!

[Alex777]

Unfortunately, Odessa is still a Ukrainian city, otherwise people would not have been burned and shot there.
To at least a little understand read:
https://vz.ru/news/2020/6/3/1042888.html
The most interesting thing at the end. About the discussion about the use of the word *** in Ukraine.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

We simply do not have training grounds where we could test OTR of such a range.

and nowhere else in the world does it exist?

Poor Israel, it’s forced to get out, really!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Olgovich

and nowhere else in the world does it exist?

Poor Israel, it’s forced to get out, really!

which means "in the world". Why do we need someone to ask when we can conduct the shooting ourselves?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

which means "in the world". Why do we need someone to ask when we can conduct the shooting ourselves?

You mentioned the landfill.

And now he is already .... not needed

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Olgovich

Quote: Aron Zaavi

which means "in the world". Why do we need someone to ask when we can conduct the shooting ourselves?

You mentioned the landfill.

And now he is already .... not needed

So why pay for the landfill if you can shoot at sea?

[Maikcg]

Is it weak from the shore to the sea?

[atalef]

Quote: MaikCG

Is it weak from the shore to the sea?

Indeed, was it weak from the shore?
I recall here about one test,

August 8, 2019 in the Russian media there were reports of an explosion at a marine rocket range (No. 45) at the settlement of Nyonoksa. The number of deaths from the explosion varies, according to various media reports, from 1 to 9 people, the number of "injured" - from 9 to 15 people.

In the city of Severodvinsk, located 30 km away, there was a 3-fold increase in the radiation background. At 95 km from Nenoksa is located the 350th city of Arkhangelsk.

At the time of the explosion, two unidentified persons were noticed near the 9M730 rocket launcher, one presumably - barge and “transport tanker” of project 1591 “Serebryanka”».

Well, the fact that the petrel was launched from the barge doesn’t cause any indignation, but in Russia there is such a territory, what was asked over the sea?
From a barge, a nuclear cruise missile (more precisely, with a nuclear engine)
Strange.

[Baron pardus]

The destroyer hasn't grown yet. And it won't grow. "Don't wait" - Rabinovich. In addition, the strike of nuclear weapons (which Israel still does not have) on all the shrines of Muslims in the case of a large mahach, starting from Mecca, NOBODY has canceled.

[416D]

Hands will not reach Mecca, or rather missiles will not reach. The security there is different, not entirely Arab.

[Domovenok]

Quote: Skay

In my opinion this is bad news for Israel, for it gives its enemies an iron argument for the destruction of any large civilian watercraft flying the six-pointed flag.

Do you think they will place them under their flag? This is Israel ..

[Alexey Ilyin]

Rather: This is Russia. She will never admit her guilt and, as always, will blame others.

[Civil]

Our idea was stolen, for a long time there is a caliber in a sea container.

[Sly]

Quote: Skay

In my opinion this is bad news for Israel, for it gives its enemies an iron argument for the destruction of any large civilian watercraft flying the six-pointed flag.

Did you watch the video? It shows that the launch is made with MOBILE installation.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Skay

gives its enemies an iron argument for the destruction of any large civilian watercraft flying the six-pointed flag

Even on suspicion of having ties to Israel. Who will interpret how.

[cormorant]

the destruction of any large civilian craft under the six-pointed flag

Do they have them? For all his life at sea he has not seen a ship flying a six-pointed flag. If someone says about ZIM, there is no fleet there. All vessels are chartered with foreign shipowners.

[opus]

Quote: Skay

for the destruction of any large civilian craft flying a six-pointed flag.

take it easy. The sea and the ship were used only because Israel is so limited in landfills (where the buns fall), and they didn’t want to frighten either their Russian colleagues or Iranian + telemetry with start-up, and didn’t want to give subordinates Shoigu

Israel Length - about 470 km, and the width in the longest section is only about 135 km.

There is no where to shoot at 90 km, and at 400 ...

Quote: Tatiana

Secondly. It seems that Israel has groped and found in the civil shipping market its trading niche for the demand for its military products

Quote: svp67

sea ​​containers of missile systems

the ship has nothing to do with it. This is a complex ground mobile PU

Laura does not start from a sea container.
it starts from TPK

[sen]

Laura does not start from a sea container.
it starts from TPK

LORA missiles are placed in a transport and launch container, which can be stored without maintenance for up to 7 years. The complex is also being developed in a marine version. In this case, the missiles can be placed in a standard sea transport container of four ammunition.
https://nplus1.ru/news/2020/06/03/container

[opus]

Quote: sen

https://nplus1.ru/news/2020/06/03/container

such a drop dead reputable source ....
better to use E. Damantsev's cooler

[Motorist]

iron argument for the destruction of any large civilian craft

The ships are probably foreign. They also tried to charter this from our shipping company. Many different strange conditions; I remember that the galley was "kosher" (whatever that means ...) and the crew were not Russians (in the broad sense of the word).

[iouris]

Quote: Skay

iron argument for the destruction of any large civilian craft under the six-pointed flag

Real launches will be made from ships flying the flag of Kampuchea or Liberia.

[ruivit1988]

In the event of war, civilian ships will be indiscriminately drowned

[SOVIET UNION 2]

In case of war, they will wet the civilians! Dresden, Nagasaki, weddings, funerals ...! Tactics are known. They have developed the technology.

[Oleg Zorin]

Rotterdam, Warsaw, Kiev, Coventry, London ... As far as it comes, it responds

[nobody111body]

Jews strongly support the smoldering conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh; one of the first diversions sponsored by a bunch of American Jews on the territory of the Soviet Union

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: nobody

Jews strongly support the smoldering conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh; one of the first diversions sponsored by a bunch of American Jews on the territory of the Soviet Union

Well yes. And the supply of weapons from the Russian Federation and Armenia and Azerbaijan is only in the name of peace.

[nobody111body]

and your Jews from America deliver Israeli ef35 to the world for you; why do you paint your star of David on them for chtoli's beauty or nowhere to put the paint?

[Domovenok]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well yes. And the supply of weapons from the Russian Federation and Armenia and Azerbaijan is only in the name of peace

Well, there seems to be peace there for a long time .. Azerbaijan tanks, Armenia anti-tank weapons, etc. If Israel, the USA, didn’t stick their nose with the Turks, we would have reconciled them for a long time!

[wmn5500]

There is no peace in Karabakh! And how would you reconcile? Not long ago, Lavrov voiced a phased settlement plan, so in response the Armenian side had real hysteria. The Armenian side does not want any reconciliation except the direct surrender of Azerbaijan. And as if reconciliation would be organized here, for nearly 30 years this reconciliation has not progressed. You would first study the issue and then write.

[really]

System Hurricane or Typhoon? How is Chechnya?

[Alex777]

Michelle! Where are you so smart from?

[really]

From where you come from.

[Alex777]

You are mistaken. Where I come from aren’t so smart.

[really]

Well, call me, I think about everything well, first

[Alex777]

What do you have to do with Chechnya that you think so?

[really]

I have been living for a long time and have the right to my opinion, and you have the right to disagree with him.
Second, this was an answer not to you, but to another commentator regarding peacekeeping. As you understand, the use of these systems is possible only in the event of military operations to liberate or seize territories, and completely neglect the life and property of the local population.

[Alex777]

I also live a long time.
Not to mention something you don’t understand is the main sign of a mature man. IMHO.
The Typhoon system does not exist in Russia.
But in Ukraine there is such a system, but in Chechnya it was not used.
The use of APU of such systems in the Donbass, against civilians, do you want to discuss?
https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2019/10/21/12768926.shtml

[really]

Really confused Typhoon and Tornado.

[Alex777]

Typhoon mixed up. And Chechnya too.
I am from those places. So do not argue.

[Lekxnumx]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

And the supply of weapons from the Russian Federation and Armenia and Azerbaijan is only in the name of peace.

Are you Aron? How dare you think so about holy armor? It is the most humane in the world and TOS-1A, which burns everything in areas, first to Azerbaijan and when it was used in 2016 and sold it to Armenia. And you "shameless" Jews sold OTRK with KVO 10 meters.
They are against the war, for peace, friendship and chewing gum. You see one tank for another ATGM)) And sworn Americans are so bloodthirsty who don’t sell anything to Armenia and Azerbaijan, so the animals want to make a conflict for anyone at the borders of Russia)) Oh, the mysterious Russian soul))

[borberd]

Quote: nobody

Jews strongly support smoldering conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh

So, do you think the Jews helped the Armenians capture Karabakh, and now they are helping the Azerbaijanis return it? Nda .., your broken logic is not available to me.

[knn54]

Jewish "Iskander-E". but.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: knn54

Jewish "Iskander-E". but.

The warhead is weaker - if I’m not mistaken about 400 kg, and at a range of up to 400 km - two hundred with something. Yes, and overall weight characteristics vary significantly. Although the weapon is certainly very dangerous and very accurate

[Peter is not the first]

How accurate it is, it is far from accurate. In the view, it was clearly seen that the missile missed ten centimeters to the left relative to the center of the target.
And to be honest, then a worthy weapon for their own purposes.

[Domovenok]

Quote: knn54

Jewish "Iskander-E". but.

Taki yes ..! During the riots in the United States, in this way Israel is trying to scare the countries around it .. Typically, without a hesitation! They are scared in Israel, without the United States

[voyaka uh]

This is not Iskander, but anti-Iskander.
The missile is designed to destroy short-range ballistic positions. Which Iran passes to the radical Shiite organization of Hezbollah. And which are installed at positions deep in Lebanon.

[Alex777]

And here you are very excited about the "anti-Iskander".
I am sure you understand that there are no Iskanders there and will not be there.

[voyaka uh]

Well, I tentatively called it that. We are worried about BR missiles with a range of 150-300 km. Aviation will not have time to dunk them if it is noticed that they are preparing to launch. This requires its own BR for "counter-battery combat". LAURA is already in service. A new version of it was tested.

[Alex777]

Judging by the demonstration of accuracy, it is not only about counter-battery struggle.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: voyaka uh

This is not Iskander, but anti-Iskander.

Warrior, at least you got a little excited!
Add one more step to the Israeli "LORE" so that the anti-Iskander turns out Iskander has a range of 500+, although ours beat themselves in the chest with the heel, proving that - "up to 500 and not a single KM more!"
But the Yankees know how to count (at-two!) ... There, too, engineers are not done with a finger, they understand what's what!
AHA.

[voyaka uh]

Why are you sure that Laura also has no "reserve"?
This is achieved, as on Iskander, by reducing the weight of warheads.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: voyaka uh

This is achieved, as on Iskander, by reducing the weight of warheads.

This is counterproductive - to reduce the power of the BZO! It is better to fill the checker with a more high-calorie TT or, reducing the weight of the warhead, fill it with a more powerful explosive. Because It’s not rockets that hit (they deliver), namely the BZO! Therefore - the more accurate and powerful - the very thing!

[voyaka uh]

"Therefore - the more accurate and powerful - the more" ////
----
If a high accuracy of hit is achieved, but a large warhead power is not needed.
A tiny rocket from a drone quietly destroys a tank with an accurate blow to the roof of the tower.
This formula - accuracy / power - applies to BR.
LORA - lightweight, plastic housing.
It takes off for the same 40-50 km, in a matter of minutes it reaches the goal. In order to hit and damage the enemy’s PU, a lot of explosives are not needed.

[voyaka uh]

Everyone did not seem to understand.
This is not a marine complex. It will be deployed only on land.
But the test was carried out from a barge. Because we have no place on land. The country is small.

[Voltsky]

Quote: voyaka uh

This is not a marine complex. It will be deployed only on land.
But the test was carried out from a barge. Because we have no place on land. The country is small.

as Stanislavsky said, I don’t believe enough distance from Eilat to the Knesset for testing, and the Jews themselves would not mind.

[Skay]

This is not a marine complex. ... But the test was carried out from a barge.

Jewish logic, it is so logical ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Skay

This is not a marine complex. ... But the test was carried out from a barge.

Jewish logic, it is so logical ...

That's right. Why shoot across the country when it can be done at sea?

[vvvjak]

Quote: voyaka uh

Because we have no place on land

So what is the problem of shooting from the coast into a target at sea.

[really]

Safety precautions, it suddenly goes wrong

[vvvjak]

Quote: really

Safety precautions, it suddenly goes wrong

Interesting idea. It means that in the event of an unsuccessful launch, the safety equipment allows to drown the vessel, but there is no shooting.

[really]

And you didn’t think about residential areas, a small country, a different look.

[vvvjak]

Quote: really

And you didn’t think about residential areas, a small country, a different look.

What are the residential areas in the sea? We (in the Republic of Belarus) faced this problem when testing the Polonez MLRS, and as a result, they were carried out in China. But who's stopping to shoot with shores в sea.

[really]

Almost the entire coast is populated, if something happens with the rocket, it doesn’t fly there, it’s a loss, but victims are possible, and if abroad, then a scandal with an unknown ending. And so they came up and showed at the same time both sea and land capabilities.

[borberd]

The entire coastline is built up with housing and public beaches. Therefore, the test at sea, far from the inhabitants, is the most logical and safe.

[MMX]

Quote: voyaka uh

Everyone did not seem to understand.
This is not a marine complex. It will be deployed only on land.
But the test was carried out from a barge. Because we have no place on land. The country is small.

I also don’t understand that it’s breaking my head there. The video clearly shows that the launch from a mobile installation installed on a truck (which is on a civilian ship). The first thought was even - cheated!

[SOVIET UNION 2]

The country is small !? Less barge or what?

But the test was carried out from a barge. Because we have no place on land. The country is small.

[Dva parovoza]

I draw your attention to the fact that the tractor of the launcher is not something other than the MAZ, and therefore: there are vague doubts that the shown action is not a fake, or the test is not at all Israeli ...

[aszzz888]

The tests in Israel were observed at the highest state level. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu

Under the comrade Kim canals!

[Karaul73]

Quote: Tatiana

Israel tested LORA tactical missile by deploying on a civilian ship

It seems that Israel has decided to sell its weapons to third countries that do not even have a navy!

Do you think that a rocket can only be launched from a craft? Analogue of Iskander.

[Voltsky]

first shaving with their BAE systems came up with blocks that allow mimics to mimic civilian vehicles; now Jews with strike weapons on a civilian ship.
My question is, are they preparing for a total-bad war ?! When everything is destroyed, peaceful not peaceful ...

[Alexey Ilyin]

Just some kind of idiocy. Sheer paranoia. And most likely just nitpicking for Israel. If Russia did (and she did), then everyone would approve.

[Operator]

After the United States merges, it is necessary to organize a total air, sea and land blockade of Israel to curb the spread of illegal missile technology

Well, at the same time for violating a bunch of decisions of the UN Security Council on ending the Israeli occupation of the state of Palestine and the international zone of Jerusalem.

[really]

You are going to live a long time, commendable.

[Alexey Ilyin]

Well, you will not wait. Empty dreams. By the way, Israel did not support the sanctions against the Russian Federation, although the United States was very dissatisfied with this.

[silverwolf88]

the line between the concepts of military and civilian objects is erased ... the trend is not new ... the consequences in any conflict lead to escalation and mutual accusations of the parties ...

[Lord of the Sith]

Such complexes were in the Soviet Union, which were disguised as harmless containers on a cargo ship))

[Elephant]

Placing missiles on civilian vessels is extremely dangerous and can lead to unauthorized uncontrolled launch of such a missile. Given the massive civilian courts, it will be difficult to track the launch of a rocket.

[Lekxnumx]

OTRK LORA is already in service with the army of Azerbaijan!

They arrived on the Mazov chassis along with the RZSO Polonaise!

Technical characteristics of OTRK LORA:
Mass: 1,7 t
Length: 5 m
Warhead mass: 400 (high-explosive fragmentation), 600 kg (penetrating)
Diameter: 610 mm
Range: 250-300 km
Trajectory height: 45 km
Control system: ANN integrated with GPS
Accuracy (CVO): 10 m

[Dym71]

Quote: Lek3338

OTRK LORA is already in service with the army of Azerbaijan!

That's good, the main thing is not to forget that the best "wunderwaffe" in this case is the negotiating table, which is much more useful for both Azerbaijanis and Armenians.

[Ilya_Nsk]

Boyan .. Did you hear about Club-K? In my opinion, "Caliber" grew out of there ...

[rocket757]

Offer \ route for everyone else pave.
However, we have "Club - K", so sho there is nothing new in that.

[013Azer]

On the chassis of MAZ, and the only strategic client will go these complexes.
Recently, Ilham Aliyev visited the city of Agstaf, was in a new military unit, where he was shown a lot of equipment with posters of their technical characteristics, among them the OTRK Lora. Judging by the performance characteristics they are version 430km / 240kg bch. Maybe other versions exist with us, but these were shown to him.

The first line with the inscription "Maksimal atış məsafəsi:" - i.e. Maximum firing range - ..
Here is a polonaise, the range is designated as 300 km, which proves once again that we do not have A200 missiles, and not BR M20, but A300 missiles

And then EXTRA, the image quality let us down, but there is an inscription of 150 km, in the fifth line from above

Missiles of all 3 systems managed

[Shahno]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Skay

In my opinion, this is bad news for Israel, because it gives its enemies an iron argument for the destruction of any civilian craft under the six-pointed flag.

In vain you are, any ship that will be destroyed - "casus bella".
I've been expecting something like this for a long time, especially with the advent of missile systems sheltered in ordinary sea containers

That's right. Given that we don’t know what charge there is in Laura, what is there?
And it may be a submarine, do not find ..
Even without applying the triad, who is here in BV wants to be opposed?

[Maikcg]

Released gin.
Chase! Attack! Drown everyone! © Grand Admiral Doenitz

[Zaurbek]

North Korea also shoots at sea .... there are no polygons. The only thing is, if the Jews were going to sell a rocket, the agreement implies up to 299 km. And then, after all, other exporters will begin to sell their BR with a range of over 300 km. And this is unlikely to please Israel and the United States.

[Professor]

Quote: Zaurbek

The only thing is, if the Jews were going to sell a rocket, the agreement implies up to 299 km.

Which contract? Israel assumed no obligations.

[Zaurbek]

Well, others will say the same. Pakistan, CHINA, DPRK, IRAN

[Professor]

Quote: Zaurbek

Well, others will say the same. Pakistan, CHINA, DPRK, IRAN

Signed an agreement, comply. do not comply, to the answer.
Did not sign the contract, send all the forest.

[Zaurbek]

I agree. Sanctions ended, supply weapons.

[Samara]

I used to remember such topics on the VO website for 1000 comments typed ..
Now modestly so Mostly Jews and goyim write and praise ...
Well, that’s life .. We’ll read and

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Samara

Mostly Jews and goyim write

there are other options?

[atalef]

Quote: Samara

Mostly Jews and goyim write and praise

Vitalik . actually the whole world is made up of Jews and gentiles. goy (Hebrew) is not a Jew.
No others .

[Alex2]

There is a strong indignation on the face of what happened. Should Israel kneel and raise its hands to the top?

[Samara]

Quote: Alex2

There is a strong indignation on the face of what happened. Should Israel kneel and raise its hands to the top?

This is not necessary already .. And then again they will demand a counter-demand))))
Let the tankers sail away with missiles ..))))
PS We have a Jewish Autonomous Region in Russia since the time of Stalin (even more on the territory of Israel and there are no Arabs! "Here we are waiting ..)))

[yfast]

You can simulate GPS, jam GPS, as a last resort to bring down all visible GPS satellites and apologize. Will the rocket fly somewhere?

[really]

Everything is possible, a question of money, and whether you have it in the right amount.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: yfast

Will the rocket fly somewhere?

Take a closer look at the moment of BR splashing into the red circle!
Only OPTICS can provide such accuracy !!!
Our 3M729 with optics on moving pounding for a healthy life!
Interesting: our Jews managed to transfer our know-how to relatives in Israel
or is still ahead?

[Professor]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Interesting: our Jews managed to transfer our know-how to relatives in Israel
or is still ahead?

Ahead, ahead. Do not strain.

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: yfast

You can simulate GPS, jam GPS

only civilian.

[Professor]

Quote: yfast

You can simulate GPS, jam GPS, as a last resort to bring down all visible GPS satellites and apologize. Will the rocket fly somewhere?

Of course fly. It is known that it is aimed at a target not by satellite signals and actively maneuvers in the final section of the trajectory making it not knocked down for enemy air defense.

[Yellow bubble]

The world has become even more dangerous, sorry.

[Samara]

Quote: Yellow Bubble

The world has become even more dangerous, sorry.

Read the title of the article Dmitry !!!! ..Another country in the world didn’t set up the world so much as Israel announced the deployment of missiles on civilian ships ..
And no one decree? Afraid ..USA is now not up to them! But so threaten, substituting civil courts .. It's Jewish ..

[Yellow bubble]

We also place rockets in containers, that's a fact! Where I want, I’ll put it there, ship, train, wagon.

[Samara]

Quote: Yellow Bubble

We also place rockets in containers, that's a fact! Where I want, I’ll put it there, ship, train, wagon.

Well, we don’t feel so openly as the Jews .. They are trying to intimidate

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: Samara

Well, we don’t feel so openly as the Jews .. They are trying to intimidate

You should be scared, all these systems are designed against Iran and its proxies. Because of him, by the way, you have graters in Syria
https://topwar.ru/171761-tancy-na-blizhnevostochnyh-grabljah.html

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Samara

Quote: Yellow Bubble

The world has become even more dangerous, sorry.

Read the title of the article Dmitry !!!! ..Another country in the world didn’t set up the world so much as Israel announced the deployment of missiles on civilian ships ..
And no one decree? Afraid ..USA is now not up to them! But so threaten, substituting civil courts .. It's Jewish ..

The headline is ridiculous. The barge was used as a base for the landfill, and not as a demonstrator of the ability to place a rocket there.

[atalef]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The headline is ridiculous. The barge was used as a base for the landfill, and not as a demonstrator of the ability to place a rocket there.

Aron, hello, I read both the article and the comments. I'm just in shock, people do not suck?
Stubbornness is the first sign of dullness.
Well, they cannot understand that there is simply nowhere to test a rocket with a range of 400 km in Israel.
That the barge is just a stupid platform and nothing more, and that it has nothing to do with accommodation on civilian vessels.
Damn, even though the count on the head is not understood
I would like to recall the late Zadoniy with his aphorism, for some reason said exclusively about amers.

[muham]

Quote: atalef

I would like to recall the late Zadoniy with his aphorism, for some reason said exclusively about amers.

What is your evidence? what did he mean by Americans?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: atalef

Damn, even the count on the head teshi do not understand

Yes they all understand, not their fault

[stone]

There is inadequate, of course, but many understand quite well. And you look at bmpd comments. Here there is a complete dump

[Samara]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The barge was used as a base for the landfill, and not as a demonstrator of the ability to place a rocket there.

Otmazalas and we supposedly believed Aron ..

[Yellow bubble]

Russia was surrounded nowhere else, the flight of a rocket from the Baltic to St. Petersburg was no more than a couple of minutes, and we didn’t have a chance to snap, we all had a ride, our youth did not see anything except a keyboard and mouse, where is the initial military training? Where are shooting ranges in schools? Who knows where the bomb shelter is next to the house? The war is not far off, again we will pay with blood.

[Old26]

Quote: Tatiana

Firstly. The USSR has long ceased to exist.
And secondly. And that this disguised Soviet cargo ever shot directly from civilian ships? I've never heard of this.

There were such projects. On ice-class ships of the "Amguema" type and on oceanographic ones. I don't remember exactly the number of the project, it seems 902 or 906 and 1111, but the name of the project is "Scorpio". Depending on the type of vessel, it was planned to install from 3 to 8 (EMNIP) SLBMs. There was also a project of a submersible launcher for 8 UR-100M missiles. However, the SALT-2 treaty stipulated a ban on this kind of weapon if its range exceeds 600 km. That is, you can place ballistic missiles on de in your territorial waters, on barges and ships, but on condition that the range of such a system is no more than 600 km. Anything more in range - ONLY on submarines.

Quote: Tatiana

But the point is that in this case we are talking about firing from a CIVIL ship !!!

This is most likely EXPERIENCE vessel. So it will not be an occasion to discuss this at the UN

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Nishtyak excuse. But will he agree to use the landfill in the USA - no, no?

The Bolorians wanted to agree with us to test their "Polonaise" at our test sites. The result of this desire to recall? A seemingly fraternal country. In addition, if this is an experimental vessel, which is for sure so, then they can test at least intercontinental missiles from it. To deploy - this will already be a violation (although they did not sign this agreement)

Quote: KVU-NSVD

Although I hope such tests will give an impetus to our container Club (Caliber).

But our "Caliber" on a civilian vessel in a container, if it is not an experimental vessel, but a civilian one, and with a civilian flag, is an act of piracy. If you want to place a container installation "Caliber" on such a vessel - raise the flag of the Auxiliary Fleet Forces - and go ahead. But then on this ship it is impossible to get close to the enemy. Can drown as a preventive measure ...

Quote: Civil

Our idea was stolen, for a long time there is a caliber in a sea container.

Yeah! In the exhibition version.

[416D]

Quote: Tatiana

Yes, Azerbaijan just bothers me the least!

Sadly

[WOLF330]

[/ quote] There is only information about the contract for the supply of LORA to Azerbaijan. [quote]

LORA has been in Azerbaijan for several years.
Perhaps we are talking about a more advanced version.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Samara

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The barge was used as a base for the landfill, and not as a demonstrator of the ability to place a rocket there.

Otmazalas and we supposedly believed Aron ..

Type it someone cares. Did you believe sir or not.

[Old26]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

A bit wrong. This is a new round of military technology. Why build warships if weapons can be placed on a simple barge? Progress has come to the point that you do not need to store all the eggs in one basket (boat, ship). On one ship planes. On another EW. On the third air defense system. In fact, the ship was divided into independent compartments with a narrow specification. And this must have greatly reduced the cost and vitality. If each system is two or three? How to drown the whole group? If to drown an aircraft carrier is a problem, then to drown such an assembly spaced into different vessels is probably not realistic at all!

You can bring this idea to absolute insanity. On air defense ships separately carry missiles, separately - BG. Such a system would become extremely vulnerable. It’s enough to sink or damage an individual ship and the whole system will crumble like a house of cards

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

This is counterproductive - to reduce the power of the BZO! It is better to fill the checker with a more high-calorie TT or, reducing the weight of the warhead, fill it with a more powerful explosive. Because It’s not rockets that hit (they deliver), namely the BZO! Therefore - the more accurate and powerful - the very thing

Why, Alexander. Replace a high-explosive warhead of 500 kg and a contact detonation with a cassette of 300 kg warheads with SPBE, which opens at a height of 0.5-2 km and the effect will be much significant

[Arthur 85]

And they said that it was impossible, they said, it is necessary to build a frigate for God knows how many billions, 2 things a year, to accommodate 16 Calibers. And a dry cargo ship for 100 thousand tons bought in Korea for the same money is "not true."